What went wrong? They destroyed the lore. Bad writers. Bad show runners. Bad Directors. Agendas. Politics. The better question is what went right, and the answer is nothing.

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

😅😅🤣🤣🤣 Yes, and they are still trying to push this as a success...

@drjuancruz

Жыл бұрын

Those showruners are cringe inducing losers. Just looking at them makes me sick.

They made Galadriel the villain and made you feel sorry for Sauron. She is the cause of the rise of Sauron for Christs sake. So the dark lord is like he is in the third age because he's a simp that was scorned by Galadriel. There aren't enough adjectives in the dictionary to describe how bad this show is.

@zanewood20

Жыл бұрын

If you feel sorry for Sauron, then something is wrong with you. Go look for a professional

@albatwitchwiggler6905

Жыл бұрын

Its pretty clear that from day one they made this show only as a vehicle to convey their corrosive social conditioning shock therapy

@albatwitchwiggler6905

Жыл бұрын

@@zanewood20 Nice purely emotional response to a well thought out statement

Halbrand was the best character, besides Adar, but I didn't like that he was Sauron. Sauron ought to just remain the Sauron we know from canon. King Halbrand was so interesting and could have become the eventual Witch King of Angmar. Total wasted opportunity.

Too sad about Bronwyn and the Southland story. The concept of the good guys (the elves) essentially being an oppressive occupying force is an actual interesting idea. The speech in the first episode from Theo's friend (the blond guy) about how the villagers are prosecuted for things that happened a thousand years ago was the only thing that really piqued my interest. This difference in experience between the immortal elves and short-lived humans would have been interesting to explore and would also tie well in thematically with the (brewing) fall of Numenor. But alas, the show went for a CGI-fest with Arondir going all Marwell superhero and possibly the least convincing battle scene I have seen in quite a while.

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, there was so much to explore there and it all went downhill so fast. Now they are attempting to save this show by convincing the audience that season 2 will be better… doubtful. But at least the silver lining is how disappointing in this series has brought people together :)

I rooted for the bad guys in this show apart from afar and sauron the only characters I really liked were elrond and durin I get that galadriel was bad at the start but I was expecting her character to develop as the story progressed

I believe you will learn who Theo's father is when they finally (and, of course, awkwardly) reveal his pointed ears

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

Given the fact that they revealed they did not plan for Theo at all this remains a highly likely option :) what a twist my my

First I would agree by saying that Sauron is a more appealing protagonist than Galadriel. That is a serious problem and terrible writing. I would disagree about the Numenor CGI looking good. It is fine from a color scheme but the scale is off. The Numenoreans are a great seafaring warrior class people. The ports are not grand or large enough for a fleet of paper boats. But I agree overall with your assessment.

Episode where Ardond(…ir?) took the villagers make a stand on the flat, un-walled village instead of the strategic defensible stone-walled castle was fucking vomit-worthy.

why did sauron just admit who he was? she only knew he wasnt the king guy. he had the elves' trust and had infiltrated their royal family etc. he just admits to being sauron in an enemy city filled with soldiers, surrounded by enemies. its total crap. that alone is nonsense and would have destroyed the season even if it had been brilliant.

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

He knew it’s the seasons finale so he chose that episode to be truthful :) honestly that’s a great point I never considered this before

I mean, they could make a show with the aim of pleasing the fans, or they could make a show they know the fans will hate and then preemptively call us racists as damage control... the latter is easier, but the former makes money

What does work, and what was always missing in the Tolkien sagas, was Sauron's motivations. Now it is made clear, in episode 8, that he has learned that Morgoth's strategies were misguided. Sauron only wants to rule Middle Earth as a tyrant king, with the dark races as vassals and the orcs as slaves. He has no greater ambitions that than, which separates him out from Morgoth. Sauron is no mere lieutenant now; he is a master strategist.

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

If Sauron was the sole focus of this show maybe the season would have worked well all together ;)

@jeffagain7516

Жыл бұрын

You may want to take another glance at the books. Sauron's rationale was quite explicitly detailed in a few of them. :)

@zincChameleon

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffagain7516 This was a debate I had in my writer's group long ago. The consensus was that Sauron's pure evil was the weakest-written of Tolkien's characters. I much prefer this Halbrand/Sauron, although it isn't clear to me why Galadriel didn't see through his disguise earlier.

@doomsdaybooty1072

Жыл бұрын

@@zincChameleon it's simplistic, yes. But this is a classic good vs evil story written by a catholic, and the nuance missing in sauron is found in other areas, like the valiant heroes efforts being all in vain without the goodness and faith of the little folk, the farmers, the everyday people with their everyday acts of kindness and friendship... this is a beautiful theme. Not all evil has to be relatable and nuanced...

@AcidAdventurer

Жыл бұрын

@@doomsdaybooty1072 exactly! The vagueness and even, as you say, simplicity of Sauron is precisely why it works and is thoroughly necessary. Sauron is nothing more than the embodiment of pure evil. The nuance and complexity comes in how people deal with that evil, in how they resist or submit to it, and not from the evil embodied itself. The moment you give Sauron (or even orcs) some moral complexity or greyness, you've completely destroyed Tolkien's work. It might be a good story in its own right, but not in relation to the world they're supposed to be adapting. Giving Sauron such a story is ridiculous and seems to completely miss the entire broadstrokes of the trilogy.

Amazon Bronwin is a sauron simp. She felt her lord returning thats why she is happy Halbrand is gonna be king. She united the south lands to fight Adar in the name of Sauron. (My head cannon)

ya, the end credits song feat. fiona apple was the entire best and only canonical part about all 8 episodes

so much budget and noone cared to actually think about the characters ...

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

5 years in the making but they didn’t find time :)

Stupid writings, pointless characters, bad design, arrogant actors, funny haircuts. I only watched it out of curiosity, and i hate it to the bone

lovely

The worst thing for me was the terrible fucking writing.

waste so much money on the background and fancy outfit which can be spend on script writer, director n actor

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I think I read somewhere that first, they paid 250 mln for the rights, and that the production budget was 465 mln which is like 58 mln per episode ( vs 20 mln per episode in House of Dragon. Basically, Rings of Power is failing because they could not prioritize in their budget ( or because they thought that the show is good as it is? which seems less likely). Overall, they took five years and loads of money to make a mediocre show and forgot to focus on script writing, direction and the actors as you said.

13:14 This was the most laughable part I have ever seen.

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

I hope in a good way 🤞 :)

If female representation was one of the main agenda, I wonder why the showrunners didn't show any female orcs.. I mean they had females in the lead position for almost all the races in Middle Earth(Elves, Numenoreans, Dwarves, Harfoots(whatever that's supposed to mean), and Men(as in humans who weren't elves, dwarves or numenoreans)).. Wonder why they didn't want to also show female orcs?? Was it because orcs are already despicable, to begin with.. Wait a minute.. So, was that the purpose, of all the strong female characters? To "gender-swap" the strong/likeable male characters, while retaining the ones that were already despicable to begin with? Why else would they miss out showing female orcs??

True, the volcano looked good. Many people didn't like it, but it looked epic to me.

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

Glad I am not the only one who liked it ! :)

@Knowledge01

Жыл бұрын

@@backwardscompatible9238 Yeah, when you said it, I was like... I knew that was cool! When you see some people's criticisms, you sometimes second guess yourself... like... was that part NOT cool?? 🤔 But the rest of it was pretty horrible. The pompous attempt to sound sophisticated was palm-slapping!

@jeffagain7516

Жыл бұрын

@@Knowledge01 I don't think many are saying the effects didn't look cool, I for one thought it was one of the (few) hi-lites of the show. I suspect most criticism was directed at the fact that ANYONE could walk away from the aftermath of such an overwhelming force. That was ludicrous in the extreme.

@Knowledge01

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffagain7516 true. Several commentators did rag even on that. I felt though that it was because they were entrenched in their hatred of the show.

Not all likes gore porn fantasy such as GoT

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. But all enjoy quality script and regardless of how bloody a series is, it seems that most people hope for at least some level of coherent action in addition to CGI :)

@stijnvdv2

Жыл бұрын

Nobody asked for gore porn fantasies, merely a watchable show in the LOTR fantasy world.... but even that was too much to ask. So you get a Tumblr fan flick where the plot of the story is shipping the producer self-insert protagonist (talk about narcissism) with the 'misunderstood' villain and to get it into a bit of a Tolkien jacket they sound Shakespearian. 'The sea is always right', 'boats float because they look up to the shiny sky'.... oh something is definitely floating alright, it's not a boat, merely a turd. Ever wondered why the writers didn't get a script to a movie after 10 years of trying really hard? Well wonder no more.

Why do you keep calling them hobbits?

@backwardscompatible9238

Жыл бұрын

Gosh good point. It should be harfoots :) my mistake

@jeffagain7516

Жыл бұрын

@@backwardscompatible9238 No, it's not a mistake. Harfoots are but one tribe of Hobbits. They are still "Hobbits".