Just so all of you know, the Navy studies hearing loss and protection and came to the conclusion that no single set of hearing protection is enough to prevent permanent hearing damage from 9mm handguns on an outdoor range setting. that means if you do not double up, you will have permanent hearing damage. take the shooting inside and now you're compounding the damage. now consider most people don't understand how to even insert ear plugs and don't double up. the highest amount of single layer hearing protection is from high quality, lab made custom earplugs. the quick 'custom' plugs rarely achieve the effectiveness of ones that are properly made from molds. the next most effective are properly sized and inserted foam disposables. the issue with these is most have a different diameter and ear holes can vary enough to either render the earplug ineffective or painful. from there is a proper set of over the ear muffs. the issue here is most shooters will wear a hat and eye pro and cause the seal to be less effective. in addition, the foam inside and the seals themselves degrade over time. flange style earplugs like surefire and others are the least effective by far and unless you have a perfectly sized plug, will be one small step above shoving a paper towel in your ears. and by the way, a 9mm handgun is more damaging to hearing than a 5.56 rifle because of the frequency. for those who do not know, the sound of the shot is much louder if you are using or near any weapons with brakes or compensators. finally, there are no hearing safe suppressors when used with supersonic speeds. the crack of the supersonic bullet itself is enough to cause permanent hearing damage. one of the most important things to realize is exposure amount. the more you are around gunfire, the more damage you will receive. and before you ignorantly think you haven't had any or would call someone being cautious a wimp, realize that you cannot notice your hearing loss until it reaches a drastic point. there are no glasses for your ears. once your hearing goes, it's gone. certain frequencies will be forever ruined and nothing will sound as it is naturally. hearing aids cannot change that.

@paraAA82

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent! Very well said. So what do you recommend? Double up?

@seavee2190

3 жыл бұрын

What a puss...You should shoot NERF.

@ryanchristensen1799

3 жыл бұрын

@@seavee2190 nothing puss about it, constant ringing in the ears especially at night trying to go to sleep sucks! I already suffer from this and would gladly go back to the way my hearing was before shooting irresponsibly.

@LifeSavingDefense

2 жыл бұрын

To reinforce the facts It only takes one shot to permanently damage your hearing and each shot afterwords ADDs to that. Also all hearing loss is not caused by sound according to the VA. 20years of c-130 and other military noise and they said the deafness in my left ear was not caused by sound...... Do you believe them? Protect your hearing when shooting, cutting grass, chainsaw etc Rock and Roll............ is there a limit? Electronic hearing protection that completely blocks natural sound is best but also not full proof. Double up when possible. Mandatory Hearing aids SUCK !!!! So protect your hearing.

@flawless1up

2 жыл бұрын

@@LifeSavingDefense i spoke with a very nice lady once. she said the government said the same thing about her husbands loss of hearing. he fixed and designed jet engines for over 10 years in the service. i cannot believe how our veterans are treated in America. it sickens me

I'm willing to spend money on a good product, but 23 decibels noise reduction doesn't seem nearly enough to justify that much money. I prefer something closer to 30 dB NRR.

Doubling up is the only way to go! I didn't know any better and only wore foam ear plugs inside ranges and it finally caught up to me in 2017.

@niqvuk

Жыл бұрын

@Mike Studmuffin tinitus bro

@Dan-di9jd

5 ай бұрын

The thing I found about the foam inserts is that you might insert it wrong and it's hard to know if you did until you're exposed to loud sound. So yeah doubling up is always a good idea. However you can't hear very well even with electronic muffs over. I like the surefire brand ones where you can insert it into your ear and open the cap that lets sound come in still but you're protected. It seems to work very well with electronic ear muffs.

Really enjoyed the content, I bought my first pair of electronic hearing protection back in the early 90's. As my hearing was starting to degrade and like most solders at the time hearing protection was a bit hit and miss. They were at the range when I joined back in eighties but never used. I know have electronic muffs in my range bags, in the shed, next to the chainsaws, everywhere.

Had mine a couple years Coch. Worth every penny, very comfortable and effective

Great advice, thanks!

thanks Mark I'm going to use it for set construtions.

Good review, thank you!

Holy I didn’t realize hearing protection was so important, I see approx comments on here about ppl getting tinnitus because of it. I’ve been hunting ever since I was 11 and never used ear-pro. This is an eye opener for sure, thanks.

What kind of ear pro do y’all use in combat ?

I bought the TEP-100 model back in 2016. Been using it for years and really like it. It seems like it died a few months ago and would not charge any longer. I went ahead and bought the TEP-200 model for Christmas and seems to work a bit better now. I like the skull screws foam and like that I can wear it indoors and not suffer any hearing damage.

Awesome kit

I would like to know what the name of your holster set up that you have on your hip thanks

great vids - short n sweet

Hmm cant find them online, any have a link or exact model of this kit?

Im looking at the Axil XP Defender and the surefire EP5 being one of my favorites

seen the inear peltors break to often :/ I think I'll stick with my comtacs and surefire sonic defenders as backup/double-up

Thank you.

thank you

Would love to see a comparative review of different sets -- including the Etymotic Gunsport Elites which are said to be better than these Peltors. Also do double up?

Thank you couch yea no youtuber understands that the ear Micky mouse protection is in the way of the cheek rest but always glade to see your view mrs. Couch your the best 👍

When I was serving in the Marines I use to cut my foamies in half which let me hear and pass commands to my squad without damaging my hearing (mostly.) Probably wouldn't recommend it too much because I do get ringing in 1 ear, but we didn't have fancy options back then and it did work. Maybe cutting 1/3 off instead of 1/2 would have been better but what are ya gonna do.

@XRinger

Жыл бұрын

In dB, one half the power is -3 dB. A -30 dB ear pro is only half as good as a -33 ear pro..

My issue with the ear muffs is the sweat. A day at the range in Florida, and I get swamp ear.

Hi Mark! Thanks for the detailed review of these electronic earbuds. I have a single question for you, if you don't mind: would these be appropriate for indoor shooting range use or will they not offer enough protection relative to Mickey Mouse ears? Thanks!

Take your hearing protection seriously. Nuff said.

@zotirruges

3 жыл бұрын

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, yeah you're right 🤙

@josevaldes6748

2 жыл бұрын

I learned the hard way. I have tinitus now

@ThatGuy64804

2 жыл бұрын

Huh?

whatever db reduction you get from doubling up, is what you need for regular earmuff style hearing protection imo

Outstanding

howard leight's electronic muffs get it done for me, and they are cheap. my whole crew loves em. to each his own.

$455?! No thanks, I'll stick to my 50 cent foamies and "Mickey mouse' headset

@bjornegan6421

3 жыл бұрын

and you'll have more effective hearing protection than what is presented in this video.

@formationctrv3651

3 жыл бұрын

« More effective » is subjective. More effective if on a standard range with nothing moving around, shooting at paper by yourself. Definitely not more effective if use in a dynamic environment where you need you ears to communicate with people around you.

@Heywoodthepeckerwood

2 жыл бұрын

I switched to electric ear pro the last time I was out shooting with my wife in the middle of nowhere and turned around to see 3 men staring at us from over the top of a small hill. Who knows how long they where there but when I acknowledged they where there, they ducked down and scurried away. Indoor range is one thing. Being alone and missing your best sense for detecting possible threats is dumb in my opinion.

@gatsbylight4766

Ай бұрын

My, how times have a changed.... The current price is now *$567!...* not including sales tax!! (plus $4.82 delivery!)

By the way guys you can get the 3M Peltor Molded, so there's no falling out of the ear and the maximum hearing protection, this is what the music industry does with IEM for professional live performance. I highly recommend this protection for everyone, but especially military/law enforcement and hunters.

Nothing beats the earplugs foams when inserted properly

Ranger ear plugs are effective. Blocks out ambient noises of the city and if you wear ear muffs or headphones these make a good combo on top of them.

My biggest concern or really my biggest problem is that I have sensitive hearing due to having my ears damaged by a bunch of muskets when I was a kid visiting a castle when I was little and so has resulted in me being sensitive to sudden or loud noises and so the problem is that as someone who enjoys things like clay pigeon shooting,.22 small bore shooting and other things like airsoft where things like pyro and CO2 grenades tend to be used and so my point is that whilst I don’t mind the much larger and cumbersome headphones, I find that they tend to get in the way of either wearing a helmet for airsoft or too hot and sweaty whenever I use them and so I’m looking for a set of earbuds which are much smaller and less intrusive than a headset, however I find that they’re either too expensive or not what I’m looking as well as being unable to connect to a radio although I do use a one sided headset instead but I’m only asking for any pointers to my dilemma?

If the military doesn't provide you with a headset/earplugs: are you allowed to bring your own personal hearing protection headset/earplugs, for example in a shooting training? Thanks!

Now that is cool. Sick of my mouse ears for exact reasons you talk about. Thank you. Always great info.

@TacticalHyve

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to help

How many charges from a set of batteries?

What rifle is that please...?

Surefire sonic defenders are pretty sweet, there like 10 bucks at Walmart.

Foamies are good if you don’t actually need to hear anything in between shots. Low profile electronic ear muffs are good if you don’t need to wear anything on your head or eyes. The electronic ear buds attempt to solve the short comings of the other two. My solution: use the other two when possible and have a set of the electronic ear buds on hand for real life situations. Even if they’re not perfect, they’ll be a lot better than nothing and will let you wear other head gear you might need.

Have you guys tried the Otto Noizebarrier? Just as pricey.

@tacticalhyvecadre1049

3 жыл бұрын

No. Are they any good?

Coch - thanks for posting these good, informative and free videos on what works and what doesn’t based on your training and experience. Don’t let the trolls, yeah-buts and naysayers get to you over time. The internet does something to people - I wonder if they were face to face instead of sitting at a keyboard if they would come across the same way. I kind of doubt it. Anyway, I am really appreciating the content from TH and in-particular your style of teaching. If you choose to reply, please do so in writing as I can’t hear s&@t anymore. 👌🤪🇺🇸

I've read all the peltors mics fail as they can't handle the shock. And they have no warranty.

Hi Coch, we solved the eye pro + earmuff problem back in 2017 through a Kickstarter project. Our SightLines gel ear pads have a slot for the glasses arms to pass through. We’ve outfitted tens of thousands of people with our gear since then, including plenty of SWAT teams, Rangers, and several special mission units (including multiple SEAL teams). Lots of reviews on our website. We have adapter plates to fit basically every headset. Would love to send you a pair to evaluate. -Neal

@paraAA82

3 жыл бұрын

True! I have a pair of your Noisefigherts. Good stuff.

@hecmad1

3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious if adding grip pads to outside of earmuffs would be a good idea. To help stability when using a rifle. Just a thought.

@savvass2149

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for your offering! Amazing how they fit pretty much any headset with adapters too

I like those for sure, I'd be worried about one falling out and losing it...

I tried Walker active noise cancelling ear buds. They didn't work very well. I now have permanent hearing damage. If you try in-ear ear buds, and you can still hear background noise (like a radio or TV) in the background with the earbuds turned off, then they will NOT be effective at blocking muzzle blast.....

@TacticalHyve

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Walker ear buds are not great. There are a couple in the same price class, and they all aren't great, despite what 'sponsored' athletes will say. The fit is very important for indoor ranges. These are the best we've used, and the only better options we've come across are custom made ear protection.

What’s the deal with that grip

why the super aggressive pistol grip

I know shooting without ear pro causes ear damage. Its interesting, however, that all my years hunting, i have never felt ringing after shooting in silent woods. Maybe adrenaline has something to do with it ?

Surefire ep4 sonic defenders

It's worth the price of admission for these. However, if you can't afford these, I use Walker's ear buds that actively compress the sound. They just came out with a new set that has rechargable batteries. These come in around $175-200. Totally worth it.

@keitha.9788

2 жыл бұрын

I tried Walker Earbuds. Very comfortable, but not effective. I now have permanent hearing loss. If you put the Walker earbuds in your ear (and turn them off) AND you can still hear background noise (like a radio or TV at normal volume), then they will NOT protect your hearing at the range....

But once cry once when it comes to guns and gear. I have learned this the hard way and have a lot of stuff l dont use anymore now.

Dat grip doe!

@spade2you

3 жыл бұрын

Mark Cochiolo (sad panda)

@geoffreydonne9774

3 жыл бұрын

The very best of the California "legal" grips. Ever seen a "fin?" These are brilliant compared to that.

As matter of fact…. very few of the over the head muffs or literally any electric ones can achieve the same level of noise blocking vs the foam…

Those are nice ear buds. I wish I had an extra $500 layin around to get some

I used the foamy ones for years in my old job. I moved away from in the ear stuff just because I started to get wax build up(not to gross everyone out) it was bad and some hardened to my ear drum. Sometimes when people wear hearing aids or in the ear hearing protection it can mess with the ears natural process of waxing. Anyway totally good with the muffs now. I love the low profile of the in the ear design but it just doesn’t work for me. Great video.

Isn't there lawsuits from the military in relation to hearing loss from this product or sorts?

Affordable??

I like the holstered gun. Makes him an expert on earplugs for sure!!

400$ isn’t what I would call affordable

Learn how to properly use disposable foam ear plugs. The foam plugs, when properly inserted into the ear canal, offer the best passive protection. But, understand I said "properly" because a lot of folks don't know how to insert them. I even see them used wrong by the KZread operator wannabes.

@heatherb5348

6 ай бұрын

Pardon me, but no one needs to "learn" to use foam plugs. Especially, Coch I'd wager. Anyone with a brain can or should be able to tell when they are not inserted properly. As with many other items in the shooting world, certain products are situational and foamies work when there is nothing else. There is a good reason why the evolution of hearing protection didn't stop at foam plugs. If I were to purchase a set of Peltors for you, you would be hard pressed to go back to foamies if you could help it. If you're serious about the shooting process, you'll likely be moving beyond the 10 for a dollar items.

I bought there flagship product just over two years ago "PROPOWER RECHARGEABLE" and now, one will not charge and they offer no repair or replacement on broken ear peace. That's $400.00 down the drain. Thanks Saf-T-Ear. Made in China.

Walkers

Whoever thought we'd have to pay $600 for a pair of headphones 🤦

I'll stick with noise canceling ear buds lol

Two year update? I need a new solution. Currently I double up (micky mouse and inside the ear)

Egad... the price of these.

I noticed your pistol grip on your ar . Do you live in California or something ? Haha

$551 now. Yikes😮😳

$455... ouch ! Is that the regular price « coch » ?

@TacticalHyve

3 жыл бұрын

Price ranges depending where you buy it. The most we've seen it run is $399, but given the times, we aren't surprised they are charging more. Compared to custom ear pro, however, it's much cheaper.

@Solly-ow4od

3 жыл бұрын

I think Walkers has something very similar. SureFire sonic defenders work really well.....for me at least. Great video Coch!

@TacticalHyve

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, there are different brands, from the ones we've tried, none are as good as the 3Ms.

@TheGujan33

3 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks again for all this Coch and Solly. At least we can shoose a good one thanks to your experience 👍😎

Battery life is awful and they’re hearing aid batteries. Only down side to them IMO

@TacticalHyve

3 жыл бұрын

True. They need to be recharged mid-day, but in their defense, they charge really fast.

Lmao not even close to a grand for custom molds. I went into a local hearing aid store and had them do custom molds with a set of custom plugs was 200 dollars.

$500?!?! Yea no thanks

Bro is kitted up!!

Bad cameraman. Absolutely no closeup shots. I was waiting for one the whole way through.

Did you say 300-400 dollars for those ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@TacticalHyve

3 жыл бұрын

They are more expensive than other options, but they are the best we’ve used and are much cheaper than the next step up. Shooters should really invest more in eye and ear protection, in our opinion. We wouldn’t go ‘cheap’ when it comes to protective equipment.

they are 500 now LOL yikes

affordable..... not really.... Ill buy another gun at that price