A lot of people are misinformed about how electronic hearing protection works. The electronics do NOT reduce the loud sounds. That is all done by the physical earmuffs which is why you can still use them while they're turned off. The electronics simply amplify quiet things like people talking and does not amplify loud things like gunshots. A lot of people confuse these with noise cancelling headphones. Noise canceling lets the sounds through and then plays back an inverted sound to cancel out the original sound. The problem is the speakers would have to reproduce the same volume as the original sound and there's no way the speaker can go as loud as a gunshot. All electronic earmuffs are is regular earmuffs with microphones that amply the quiet noises. Still don't understand? Imagine having earbuds plugged into your phone and anything the phone hears gets played through your earbuds. Now put you regular earmuffs over your headphones. You're protected from loud sounds, yet you can still hear things because your phone's microphone is playing everything into your earbuds. This is what electronic earmuffs are. As a summary, these are not noise cancelling and how loud the gunshots are has nothing to do with the electronics.

@Nicksperiments

6 жыл бұрын

Some Guy On The Internet Technically it didn't amplify the gun shot, even if you heard it through the speakers. There's no way those speakers could play something at the volume of a gunshot (190 decibels). Any earmuffs with a 22 db rating will be just as loud when you shoot. You are not damaging your ears any more by wearing electronic hearing protection than you are by wearing regular earmuffs with the same decibel rating. Your problem is 22 decibels is not enough for .223 especially indoors. You should wear earplugs underneath and just turn up the volume

I never owned a pair of electronic muffs until I bought these. Love them except for indoor range use. Found out the hard way that you should double up indoors or in a covered roof range. I've always been a fanatic about using ear plugs shooting. I owned a pair of these about a month. One range session, I did not know the guy in the next bay was shooting a .44 mag. I now have tinnitis in one ear. Outdoors, these are great. Indoors or at a covered range you need to double up with plugs too.

I too posted a negative review on these and got flamed. Some people love them and some hate them. If you don't like them though be prepared for nasty comments. Don't know why people are nasty when all you are doing is reporting your findings. I sold mine and stick to passive protection with higher db ratings. I wonder if the flamers work for the manufacturer or are they just anonymous gripers. Good and simple review.

Thanks for the review. I tried them out in an indoor range the other day and felt the same way. They sounded a bit loud and it made me paranoid about it being too loud for my ears sake. They do cancel out a good bit of noise though. The difference is that it just isn't up to the level that I am used to. It made talking to my shooting parter a breeze, we were practically whispering but when it came to the noise produced by my AR-15 and H&K VP9, I was not impressed with the amount of volume allowed through. In conclusion, it was more than likely a one time use for me.

I have the Howard Leight Impact Sport ear muffs and they are great. Had none Peltor OK but also can't hear others speak. Proper adjustment for fit and volume is the key. I also use larger caliber guns with NO discomfort.

I personally love mine. There is a slight crack when you fire, but I don't know if the caliber you had was enough to "activate" them? They work great with my .45 acp. And on the skeet and trap range with 12ga. Thanks for the review.

Thank you for the honesty. No much of that from the "fan bois."

I have been running these for a year and really like them.

@WesMerc

2 жыл бұрын

I have since kill the muffs in the video and bought another pair. I do prefer them over other affordable electronic hearing protection. If I’m going to be shooting a lot sometimes will double up with plugs under the muffs.

Same boat bud.. I bought a set yesterday, tried them last night and they didn't suppress as much as regular non electronic muffs.. My next attempt will be to use some ear plugs in side them..Ireally like to be able to hear people talking to me on the range.. I need to get some range time with them..

I would say that you should compare them both in the off position if you were just checking the NRR of 22. They also make the Impact Pro item R-01902 with a NRR of 30db for maximum protection in a earmuffs.

@WesMerc

10 жыл бұрын

Chris thank you for the input. I will have to try the item you mentioned. The consensus I have found on forums is that my muffs work best when used in conjunction with plugs.

Had a pair and returned them. The NRR is only 22 much to low, especially for inside range.

Good review. Honest

I purchased 3 of these from amazon as well and I and my guests also found them to be too loud to be comfortable. I'm wondering if Marlon adjusts the volume control down when shooting and back up again to have conversations?

Finally.... so I'm not the only one who thinks they are much louder than the peltor optime 105 that I have used so far. I shoot indoor by the way.

will earmuffs work as earphones even when battery is dead like with the syncs?

This is what mine said: Provides protection from noises over 82 dB Automatically blocks noise above 82 dB, noise reduction rating: NRR 22

I think the howard leight's are the shit! Priced reasonable and also has a volume control if its too loud. With them turned down its comparable to standard earmuffs. The low noise amplification is decent as well. With them cranked up and just walking on concrete you hear the grit beneath your shoes. Its like an auto darkening welding helmet for sounds. Once you try them its hard to not want to use them every time. They use common batteries. Ive never tried the peltors but Im def a fan on the hl's

Dumb question but I assume you turned them on? Would have been nice if you showed us you adjusting the mic volume to the lowest setting.

@WesMerc

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah they were on. Turning them off gives the greatest noise reduction. I commented on Marlon's comment below about my thoughts since posting the review.

Does the audio only come out of the left cup? I recently picked up a pair and am not sure if they only work on the left side

I was also wondering the same as the commenter below. could it be that a larger caliber would provide a more positive activation? I'll soon know because I just bought a pair at Bass Pro Shop.

Would have liked to see you try the Howard Leight's while turned off, Just for a comparison, ya know without the electronic sound dampening

@Nicksperiments

6 жыл бұрын

talon501 there's no such thing as electronic sound dampening. The electronics have nothing to do with the sound dampening. That's all in the physical earmuffs regardless if they're turned on or off. The electronics simply amplify quiet noises so you can hear people talking. They do not remove any loud sounds

Would this set of electronic earmuffs be practical in Airsoft? I'm looking into buying something like this, I want something that would look really neat on my patrol cap and also protect my ears from bb's. This fits that spot, but I don't know if these will act as if nothings on my ears at all.

Not the review I want since I'm getting Howard Leights from Amazon tomorrow for me new .458mag lol

I got mine today and I must say this thing is amazing. I have never used electronic hearing protection and today i was very impress with it. I'm not making a fucking review though

And what is the dB ratting on your peltor's as compared to your Howard's?? the peltors are probably over 24 dB NR Not trying to insult you but not everyone understands how dB works 22Db reduction is pretty significant when you consider how dB work it's kind of like the Richter scale except in magnitudes of 10 we are in magnitudes of three. so a 3 dB sound is half as loud as a 9 dB sound. so a 22dB rating is over four time quieter then the original noise. so that is a 75% reduction in impulse to your ears.

@bradjones06

9 жыл бұрын

I hope you find this correction helpful rather than critical. By definition, every 20 dB loss is a pressure reduction of 10x. So 20dB is 10x, 40dB is 100x, 60dB is 1000x, etc. If you wore a pair of 20dB foam plugs inside a 20dB muff, you would effectively reduce the pressure by 100x. Sounds would be 1% as "loud" since pressure is generally associated with "loudness". Further complicating matters is this confusing concept of Noise Reduction Ratings (NRR) which apparently is related to but not necessarily equivalent to the dB rating of the hearing protection. For more information, enjoy this (undoubtedly) exhilarating ANSI standard : ANSI S3.19-1974 "American National Standard for the Measurement of Real-Ear Hearing Protector Attenuation and Physical Attenuation of Earmuffs." Cheers!

@kcstott

9 жыл бұрын

Your quoting the power ratio of the dB not the amplitude ratio So you are saying if I was in a room with a 60 dB noise and I wore 30 dB ear plugs and 30 dB muff I would hear nothing??? Which we know is not possible. Because we hear through our bones as well as our ears sound can not be completely removed unless you as a person as a whole are not exposed to the pressure wave. When you wear muffs and plugs you take the highest rating and add 5dB so in my example above of a 30dB NRR muff and plugs would only equal a 35dB NRR total.

@bradjones06

9 жыл бұрын

***** You make an excellent point about hearing through our bones and our "perception" of sound. But it is completely possible to hear nothing in a room with noise. Do the experiment yourself. Put in your plugs and wear your muffs and turn up the TV volume until you can "hear" it. It's not very precise or scientific, but it gives you an idea of how much attenuation is provided. You could even go so far as downloading an app (which probably exists) to measure noise level and see what you measure. Unfortunately, the results may not be published in the journal "Nature" but it might be a good idea for my son's science fair next week. Remember that a dB is a mathematical abstraction (a ratio of sorts) rather than a physical property which can be measured. A room with 60 dB of sound has pressure fields 60 dB above the human hearing threshold. Reduce those pressure fields truly by 60 dB of attenuation, and you will truly not hear anything. I'm not saying your muffs and plugs will accomplish this because they are likely not 30dB in reality and every hearing protection is a frequency dependent filter so you may hear some frequencies better than others. But if you wore enough high rated hearing protection, you won't hear the fridge motor, the TV, the A/C, a conversation, etc. If you believe that I am wrong about the decibel math, I am not and that was my point in my original post (i.e. 22 dB is not a 4x reduction, in fact it is >10x reduction). But I am only right about the mathematics and I am wrong in the assumption that one hears merely by collecting all the sound goes in your ear hole rather than by side channel means (e.g. bone conduction as you mention). I'm not an audiologist so I don't really know how humans hear. But this is an interesting site I found: www.audiologyonline.com/articles/extra-protection-wearing-earmuffs-and-1218 You can see that in some cases (low and high frequencies) the attenuation of combining both earplugs and muffs was pretty linear. But around 2kHz, something changes in how our bones conduct pressure and the muffs and plugs become much less effective in concert. I assume this is because we are especially tuned in to those "human voice" frequencies for our survival. It's an interesting read if you have the time. At 2kHz, the combined attenuation is only a few dB more than than muffs alone (very close to the 5 dB you cite). But at low and high frequencies, the attenuation approaches the theoretical limit (which is the additive sum). In the end, it looks like we may both be right. This can't happen on the Internet! Regards!

@kcstott

9 жыл бұрын

Yes again in power not amplitude. And the reason I make this differentiation is because how the human ear works. We perceive a doubling of the POWER as a huge increase in volume. It's a function of magnitude. a 10 dB increase is 10X the power but only 3X the amplitude. Its all in how you look at it. we are both saying nearly the same thing I'm just trying to express it in a way that more less math savy people will get. as it is also more in line with how we as human perceive sound. I guess the easiest way to say what I'm trying to get at is, we as human can tell the difference in a doubling of volume but we could not tell the difference between 1 dB and 2dB it's too subtle but the difference between 40 dB and 80dB even though it's only a doubling of the ratio it's a 100K difference. But we say its double because of the dB scale.

$50 is a poor mans version? I think these are great - Especially compared to your standard walmart $12 set haha.

No good for indoor use. 22 NRR is wimpy indoors.

the mic's should be in the rear not facing forward

@MasonSins303

6 жыл бұрын

James Arnold wrong

😱Did he even turn them on ??

You must have got the fake ones

Didn't like that review. I own both of those also and I must say HL-Impact Sport is by far the best in my humble opinion. Definately wouldn't use any other models.

@WesMerc

10 жыл бұрын

Sorry your didn't like the review. I do "like" the HL's but when I am shooting rifles or shotguns all day, they just don't have the noise reduction to cut it. They are great for talking to friends at the range and are my go-to ear-pro but if I am doing high volume shooting or something really loud, I will break out the Peltors.

@legoman444

10 жыл бұрын

WesMerc Just a suggestion but maybe you can try wearing ear plugs and your HL's set to high. It will give you all the protection you need and you will stil be able to hear; more or less.

@SuperSonofsatan

7 жыл бұрын

WesMerc he didn't like your review because he's a douche and he has a right not to like it but have some respect for the hard work that people put into their videos...I thought your review was good don't worry about the haters the res always going to be that someone has to be a shot head... keep up the good work hope your hearing protection is working well for you I have the same and love them..

@MarlonRolle

7 жыл бұрын

Android Tech A douche and a hater because someone disagrees with a review. Wow. OK boss. Carry on. I'm out. Still two great products. In the end, I still hold firm that HL is a better model. #douchebagout

Not the best review after only firing a few rounds. I think you have done a disservice to them.