Okay

The most depressing part is that both Micah and Ross never really paid for their crimes, they just got killed years after an ending where they already won

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Yeah for sure, both of them died in ways that really achieved nothing. John killing Micah only led to his downfall, most likely Jack killing Ross won't be much different. Man I love Red Dead, really good story and themes

@billyyank1916

Жыл бұрын

I feel like this especially applies to Agent Ross. He outlived his superior during his time in the Pinkertons and witnessed the down fall of the Van Der Linde gang. By the time Jack confronted him, he was already a retired, old man who was enjoying the sunset years of his life. Though he both lost the duel, he won in the end.

@pietrofrancelozo4649

Жыл бұрын

These are great examples of how the old west is explored in both RDR games, showing how revenge and violence never ends in this world and that it brings nothing but doom for the "winners". It always made me think that both Arthur and John never got redemption for their acts, only ending influencing Jack to follow the same path, and so making the non sense violence cycle go on, in the west. *Just watched the rest of the video and ClassicAsh said the same thing '_'

@YSL8704

Жыл бұрын

@@classicash2442 man when i first played red dead redemption last year, it somehow felt so nostalgic although i never played it as a kid.

@frasermckie9756

Жыл бұрын

Arthur didn’t lose he got the last hit on Micah While half dead and he also earned redemption, micah also needed to be saved by Dutch

Your last point on the Wild West being a time of relative anarchy and people just shooting each other, void of any noble or honorable motivation, really resonates with me. My great great grandmother was born in Tombstone, Arizona, was alive during the OK Corral shootout, and personally knew Wyatt Earp. Apparently, when she was an old woman in the 1960’s, she’d watch the western TV drama based on Wyatt Earp and would get angry at the romantic way he was written and then yell at the tv that “Wyatt was just some chump that liked to shoot people!”😂

@no01sman

Жыл бұрын

lmaoo when he made that point i immediately thought abt tombstone ig my suspicion is confirmed

@davidcook680

Жыл бұрын

Lol he was.

Man, riding into Mexico is really one of my all time best gaming memories. That shift was monumental

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

For real, it's in my top 5 Rockstar moments for sure!

@MrGrace

Жыл бұрын

for sure, from the song that plays with that one acoustic guitar, to the subtle change in scenery, it was amazing.

@thisismiles2484

Жыл бұрын

Does anyone know the song he was playing at 14:53

@djfaded420

Жыл бұрын

When you just got off of the driftwood with Irish and you hear Far Away as John is roaming across Mexico searching for Javier and Bill

@datingwiafusexclubdatingwiDOKI

Жыл бұрын

Mexiicccmmmoooo should be in rdr 2too dud man

I was so young when I played rdr1. I totally forgot how long and drawn out it was in the beginning. All I remember was how mesmerizing it was traveling to Mexico.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

The tone shift is spectacular, really glad Mexico picked up alot of the slack New Austin had.

@notahuman7082

Жыл бұрын

Honestly the same dude. I was too young to fully understand the story of this game and now I'm older it's hard to believe that a game where the second you step into like the woodland part of the map you get instantly mauled by 2 bears (literally all I remember from my time playing the game) was so damn deep with ideals and such.

@glennbasilii552

Жыл бұрын

Seeing Escalero for the first time at night all lit up was awesome.

RDR1 is the reason I grew to love western genre especially (neo-westerns) and cowboy culture making me realize that we’re all hues of grey that should strive to do good. Fantastic video!!!

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

It is really good, I love the themes of it so much :) Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)

For what it's worth, the Clint Eastwood Spaghetti westerns are remarkably cynical, too, and were controversial when they first came out. Eastwood's character is an antihero.

@invictagothica

Жыл бұрын

High Plains Drifter and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly are prime examples of this

I think Bonnie is here to show that John Marston is a loyal husband to abigail. As it’s shown in later cutscenes, Bonnie is interested in John, and he probably likes her too, but he already married Abigail and he is trying to be the best for his family (not like Reyes)

Holy hell, I never put 2 and 2 together about Dutch and Jack's dialogues in the end. Dutch, a man set in his ways and jaded with the world, tells John that men like him can't change. He can't fight gravity. Jack, young and hopeful for the future, talks with wonder about a machine to make men fly. To fight gravity.

Really glad to have this stumble across my recommendations, I've been replaying through Red Dead 2 recently (so far up to Chapter 4) and this makes me all nostalgic for the original RDR and the story it conveyed all those years ago. Would love to see an RDR2 analysis from you, this was a really wonderful video!

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Really means alot :)

"You know, I dreamt of documenting the last days of the Old West. The romance, the honor, the nobility! But it turns out it's just people killing each other." "I could've told you that."

This video is very enjoyable, I hope it gets the views it deserves

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Means alot :) Here's hopin it gains some traction!

The RDR is my favourite game of all time the story is great and the characters are great thats all i have to say

I always forget that the first game takes place right before the entirety of Europe was plunged into war. It's crazy to think that what Dutch said about a new monster was true. World War I had the horrors of trench warfare, as well as atrocities like the Armenian Genocide. Years later, Hitler rises to power in 1934, signaling the era of another monster who did so much harm to humanity as a whole with his atrocities and the war he started

This was one of the best game videos i've ever watched. You are extremely underrated

I'm honestly not a fan of the western genre. Never been. However RDR and RDR2 are such absolutely amazing games that I found myself spending hours upon hours just riding around, doing absolutely nothing. To this day, RDR is one of my comfort games and while I can't play it (for the lack of owning a PS3), I still love it.

@crazychase98

Жыл бұрын

You may actual like westerns then. Plenty of westerns 1970s on just like rdr. Shit the shootest out law Josey Wales and Jeremiah Johnson and unforgiving are all more or less cut out and put into both games.

I got into the western genre from red dead redemption 1 and now it is easily my favorite genre oat and use it as inspiration for all of my film projects to this day. (btw this is a amazing video only 1k views and 100 subs is criminal keep up the amazing work)

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

I'm from Arizona and I absolutely love the Old West, a very fun genre to play around with and overall one of my favorites :) Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed the video!

Just finished rdr1 a week ago and its beautiful. Such a well executed story and its a shame that we wont get a remake. Your video is very good too

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

It is really good, and it's a grandshame it won't get a remake just a waste. I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)

@Dusted_Glitch

Жыл бұрын

if only rdr2 updated more to continue epilouge

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

@@Dusted_Glitch How would that work? Remaking RDR1 would have to be its own game with an entire new story, region and side content, how it could just be added as an update to RDR2

@Dusted_Glitch

Жыл бұрын

@@themadtitan7603 im saying piece by piece and pls no controversy

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

@@Dusted_Glitch I'm not trying to argue or cause controversy, I'm genuinely asking.

I’m a huge fan of the RDR franchise and all I can say is that this video is perfect. The perfect review to a perfect game! And it’s especially great since no one ever came close to this type of video! Great job!

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha, thank you I'm really glad you enjoyed it :)

This was really solid. I thoroughly enjoyed it 😄

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

:))))))

Don't agree with everything you said, but the overall message I totally agree with. And this was an extremely good video, which is something I don't say lightly. Feelt more like 15min then almot half an hour. Kept my attention all the way through.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! I'm really glad you enjoyed it and glad it felt shorter then it was!

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

Same. I agree with the core thesis of Redemption as a satire of America's idealism of the West and his point about the 1-dimensional early story characters. However, several of his critiques on the 1st act I thought were him missing the point of the story.

Thank you for this video. It’s one of my favorite videos on KZread and I’ve come back to watch it several times even thought I have never even plated rdr. I got into it because I fell in love with rdr2 and I’d love to see a video about that.

@classicash2442

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the super kind words, those really mean a lot :) Hopefully I'll get back to making videos soon, been dealing with some personal stuff but I'm getting there!

John's death hurts to watch every time. It feels worse than Authur's.

@godzillazfriction

Жыл бұрын

well the amount of torture arthurs body had been through as well as the fight with micah and the headshot to arthurs head rivals in johns death physically but the reasoning to me is stronger for john's death

@Dragoncam13

Жыл бұрын

@@godzillazfriction you had the bad ending,in thr good ending Arthur died peacefully of TB

@godzillazfriction

Жыл бұрын

@@Dragoncam13 well low honor to high honor certainly works for the story... i did this exact thing for my 1st playthrough but after I did a whole low honor playthrough, certain scenes and the last ride to the gangs hideout work so well for the low honor version that majority of high honor players agree that the low honor last ride version is the best because of the tone, scenery and quotes plus with playing low honor and still helping rains fall is so fucking good because you really need to try and maintain a balance for you not to go overboard with high honor and to maintain that, you'd kill bounty hunters (including the dogs because I feel like arthur wouldn't give a shit about killing dogs after his own died especially since he has voicelines for killing dogs as well as horses) and bystanders who threaten you for whatever the reasons is.... Arthur can still achieve redemption by doing these things that I mentioned to maintain low honor.... look at kratos or dante from the divine comedy game adaptation.... both kratos and dante are sick bastards who achieve redemption (at least for dante in the end since kratos' is a bit too complicated for kratos achieving redemption in his younger ghost of sparta days) but the methods that they use are still morally grey with dante in admist of his redemption r3pes cleopatra as the final killing blow because shes a sex demon now this isn't to say that arthur could r3pe someone in his path for redemption because no that's not possible but the concept of doing fucked up things like with arthur killing a bounty hunter dog, killing horses and killing bystanders can still bring redemption to arthur at that stage of his life.... its the same thing with Altair from AC1 where his whole mission in that game is to redeem himself through killing 9 templar targets because he was a bad person at the start of the game yet altair still kills ppl ruthlessly after he interrogates someone whos involved with a templar that he's hunting even though he could be innocent yet altair still kills him because he doesn't want to leave loose ends yet he's on a path to redemption through killing 9 templars

@godzillazfriction

Жыл бұрын

@@Dragoncam13 rockstar definitely makes some of the best depictions of how humanity works and they perfected it in manhunt and when i see someone glorifying arthur as a good person and how ppl felt like a close friend just died... it rubs me the wrong way because arthur isn't supposed to be like that and certainly rockstar didn't entirely intend to do that for arthur especially with how rockstar introduced him in the 2nd trailer of RDR2 where that trailer is supposed to be the introduction of Arthur Morgan

@godzillazfriction

Жыл бұрын

@@Dragoncam13 plus I don't understand why ppl don't get that the honor system isn't like a morality system from something like inFAMOUS but its simply made for how honorable arthur is and not how good or bad he is.... Arthur is still a bad person with whatever his honor level is

Brilliant analysis! I thoroughly enjoyed it. Keep up the great work!

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed it :)

this is an excellently edited and commentated video about one of my favourite games, good work man

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Absolutely loved this video, love how you can pace out a near 30 minute video and make it entertaining all through out.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Thank you I was worried it was a tad too long but I'm glad it felt shorter :)

Although Ive Never Played RDR1, After I Completed RDR2 I Got Intrigued By The Messages Behind Everything And Wanted To Look Deeper In. Great Video Man I Enjoyed The Overview On Everything

Seeing a new red dead redemption video always makes my day, and this is a great one 😎👌

the greed, the brutality, that was the west. great video. subscribed

These video essays are fantastic man keep it up, this is awesome many successes to ur channel !!!

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy them :)

Really good video! With the amount of essays made about this game, yours stood out and was really interesting to watch and listen to.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That really means alot :)

Fantastic analysis. First act of Red Dead was a slog lol Really caught me off guard when I played it, but like you said the themes of Red Dead truly make this game special.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Takes a bit but once you get to real meat you know its special.

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

The first act suffers from pacing issues and non-nuanced cast of side characters where the satire on paper makes sense but is just who all these characters are. If a lot of the nuance was present from the beginning and the missions weren't just prelude to the big action, it would've been a lot better.

@crazychase98

Жыл бұрын

Yet the second game the epilogue suffers from it. 8 hours of john was boring and unnecessary. At Least the first game its world building

I expected this video to be from a 20k+ subs channel, it’s so well made! You deserve more subs man

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Here's hoping I get there one day :)

Watched this video and was genuinely surprised your channel doesnt have more subscribers, you def deserve more

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha, thank you! I'm really glad you think so :)

I've watched this video like 4 times and I have no idea why it doesn't have millions of views. Keep it up dude

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Thank you so much, i'm really glad you enjoy it :)

wow, just wow. an absolutely incredible analysis of this game's themes and characters. just an amazingly engaging watch start to finish. I know you said this game is by no means a masterpiece, but... man I really want to call it one because it speaks to me in way that only a hand full of other games have (Shadow of the Colossus, Kingdom Hearts 2 and MGS 3 to name them). absolutely stellar work mate

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Really means alot :) Masterpiece is a really interesting word, I don't think any game is a true perfect "Masterpiece" but I do think any game can be a masterpiece in a certain type of way, such as the games you said

Definitely loved your narrative of the game as well as your perspective of the past. Keep up the journey Ash XoXo❤️🙏🤠

Thank you for this! RD1 is probably my fav game of all time and this video is spectacular on it.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Means alot :)

Im glad that you paid attention to the finer philosophical details, its hard to tell if the writers really thought as deeply as you interpreted it all, but then again the whole world is built on analogies and people just need to sketch an outline for others to fill in the details in their own fashion. I had watched other videos about it before but i think this is the best one i have seen yet on Red dead 1. I havent enjoyed any video this much in months. Thank you a lot.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That really means alot. I feel like too many Video Essay people just kinda list what happens, not really going into detail on what the game means or what it tries to say. If you ain't got nothin to say, why say it is the philosophy for the videos :)

@mrmoviemanic1

Жыл бұрын

I came to a similar idea of what this video is saying. I think many can interpret what it's trying to do, but at the same time, I feel like everyone can see this game in a different light. I feel like the cynical look of this game could also be seen as one of hope as you also do have the option to play as Jack with him helping more people in the stranger missions. It's a factor of just how much people want to invest in the themes of history as well as the western genre and or the real-life basis of the American frontier.

@mrmoviemanic1

Жыл бұрын

@@classicash2442 I like your video man but I will tell you that others have come to many of the conclusions you list off in this.

I love how Red Dead Redemption is about showcasing the darkness of the west while still indulging in its badass style, it's one of those games that shows you it's horror. A little thing I did in John's final deadeye was to not shoot anyone. I recommend doing this. I will say though I think the Clint Eastwood westerns were not trying to be "cool" in a full-on fashion as much as they were trying to be calmer and collected which I feel showcases the world of the American Frontier better than most.

sheesh i got shivers hearing thoses rdr 1 themes again. nice vid !!! keep working like that

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed it :)

Hey, you there reading the comments. don't worry, whatever makes you be you is not set in stone, who you are doesn't control your choices, the choices you make define who you are. It is possible to change, because it is possible to choose.

what the hell ? how does this guy only have 453 subs, underrated af or new idk i gave him a sub

I know you say the new Austin chapter is the hardest to get through but I always notice that once I get to the ending or even once we run into west dickens again on black water I always find myself longing for the new austin days and dreading what's ahead. The tall trees chapter is definitely the darkest and most cynical part of the game and so I always find myself wanting to go back to the wacky light hearted vibe the new Austin missions had.

this is really well done, loved the vid

The algorithm gods have blessed me

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha! I'm glad you think so :)

Damn, this is such a well-made and interesting video! Your mic is really good, too! I hope the algorithm picks this up big. 😀👍

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Means alot, I'm really glad you enjoyed it :) Here's hoping! Would be a dream if it goes far!

No way you have 135 subscibers, from the quality of the video i thought you would have atleast 10k, you earned my sub friend good luck with the algorithm

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks! Everything you said means alot :)

Only 1000 this is outrageous for how good of a video it is

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Thanks, i'm glad you think so :)

Holy shit the windows 3d movie maker ending! Excellent vid on a stellar game.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

You know it :) Thank you, that means alot!

10/10 banger video, really makes me wanna play RDR1 again

Really good Red Dead analysis! Though if I'm being honest, I cringed whenever the essayist talked about the "glorious American cowboy hero" over footage of The Man With No Name (a morally dubious anti-hero from an Italian film franchise). I think comparisons to a classic era cowboy, like the star personas of John Wayne and/or Gary Cooper, would've been more in-line with this video's thesis. That's a minor film history nitpick though. Everything else is deeply insightful stuff about the game and the characters. Nice!

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Nah I 100% agree with you about the man with no name! Only reason I really use that footage is because its the most well known Western so easy to relate to a broader audience, I think people see Clint Eastwood and go "Wow! Badass American Cowboy!" Thank you for all you said, it really means alot :)

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. RDR1 (specifically the 1st act in New Austin) is a deconstruction and satirization of the classic western of the 40s and 50s with the idea of the swaggering, noble lone ranger like John Wayne who comes to an untamed region and helps the people there - quickly becoming a local hero. While A Man With No Name is closer to who John actually is; a quiet morally grey individual who mainly follows his own agenda. Although still, John is much more morally discernible and romantic character at heart. His goal is inherently noble but it contrasts with his actions to achieve it which are very morally flexible.

thought i was watching a video from a channel with over 100k subs until i looked at ur sub count damn bro keep it up

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Thank you the really means alot :)

KZread nailed it with this recommendation, I enjoyed this video very much.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you watched and enjoyed it :)

how is it that your videos are such high quality, you have a smooth voice, and you make good content, but you dont have hundreds of thousands of subscribers? keep it up man, you earned a new subscription :)

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha, thank you that all really means alot :) Hopefully I get there one day!

@unwxnted0784

Жыл бұрын

@@classicash2442 i bet you will, be well!!

This is a fantastic video. Great work.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Means alot :P

Such a great video. Very well done

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Means alot :)

HOW DO YO HAVE ONLY 432 SUBS THIS VIDEO IS INCREDIBLE

Best game I ever played. Single Player and Online. Great times they were... 😔🙏

@mrmoviemanic1

Жыл бұрын

RDR1 Multiplayer > RDR2 Online

@JPeeee

Жыл бұрын

@@mrmoviemanic1 It was simple and fun to play with other people back then.

This is why I can't decide which movie is closer to RDR. The Good the Bad and the Ugly or Unforgiven.

I just love the idea of how you deconstruct this romantic view that we have of the wild west. I am european, portuguese to be precise and I just love everything about western culture, specifically in the United States, I am a consumer of almost everything American, from entertainment to food, etc, not that I don't respect other cultures because I do but I just love the history of America. But this video is an educational one, we tend to look to the past in a romantic way but the reality is much much different, I love red dead redemption 1 and 2 but the reality of the wild west was not some fancy cowboys with their revolver shooting the bad guys and saving the day, the reality is that the wild west was brutal, dirty and full of disease Fantastic video 👍

@BestWayKilla

Жыл бұрын

That's literally the reality of anywhere at any time in antiquity, though. I feel the real reason so many sources feel compelled to "deconstruct" the admiration for the Old West is because it represents a time when the pioneering spirit of Americans still remained, and was full of communities without the presence of government or central planning. This is equated with it being "uncivilized", but it actually forced the civil servants to be present and accountable to the people they served. They actually did feature the "community policing" that gets proposed these days, in that if you committed a crime, a posse would be organized to hunt you down and bring you in to face justice. You can argue with the methods that these communities employed to function, but while it was definitely not the romantic society of a John Wayne movie, the Old West was also far from the anarchic free-for-all it's shown as in "deconstructions".

Great video, just found ur channel seems cool I’ll subscribe, keep up the great videos you’ll find big success soon

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad you think so, and I really appreciate what you said :)

Great video. Bonus points for the Hamilton reference lol

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yeah I thought the Hamilton reference would get some laughs :)

There ain't no glory in killing folks just gives you mental scars that'll always haunt you

15:07 wtf is wrong with John's eyes hahaha

while the dollar trilogy has its moments of cool shootouts, it does not romanticize cowboys but in fact the very opposite of it

This video amazing ( you need more subscribers)

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Thanks im glad you think so :)

This was fantastic,

A wise man once said: " Revenge, Revenge is a fools game"

If they ever do get around to making a Red Dead Redemption 1 remake I think there needs to be a scene during the Farm chapter where John takes Jack and sit him down and explain to him everything that happened while he was away therefore giving jack closure on all of his questions and assuring him that everything John did was real and all for him

When I first play RDR1 many years ago. I always wondered how Dutch knew John Marston.

You know, it’s even worse they didn’t even choose to repent of their sins

you deserve more subs

"CEO of cocaine?!" i'm dead

Great video and thank you for the emulater I ain’t tryna pay 20 for a 10 yr game 🙏🏽

I like this re-romanticism of the old west, no longer looked upon as a bountiful time of good and evil battles on the frontier, but a time of great strife and hardship that this country went through. Something tough and lasting, but not necessarily good.

I wouldn't say it is for certain that Jack became an outlaw.

I'd really like to see a game that continues Jack's story

i just noticed that Reyes has the same mustache as Lenin

John getting killed was one of the most heartbreaking scenes in a game ....second only to Arthur's death in RDR2

Subscribing, that's a really well done video, hope you do more! Still, just saying, the spaghetti western like the dollar trilogy really were going in the same vibe as RDR, depicting that life as cruel, people as greedy and stuff like that. It's more of the american western a la John Wayne that had this idealized far west, with clean and nice sheriffs that saves everyone and yadda yadda. Still a great video

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

No, you're 100% right! I agree completely about the Dollar Trilogy being a more brutal representation of the west then John Wayne movies. Only reason I showed them alot was because that's what I think when most people start thinking of "Westerns" and "Badass Clint Eastwood Cowboy" they think of those movies Thank you for watching! I really appreciate what you said :)

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

RDR1 is neither a classic or spaghetti western imo. It satirizes and deconstructs the different western genres in each act of its story; 1st act a satire on classic western, 2nd act satirizes Spaghetti Westerns while the 3rd act is the least satirical because it most represents what the game actually is; a revisionist western. And the technical 4th chapter on Beecher's Hope is a more optimistic, psychological western imo.

The most interesting thing in Rdr is the theme of redemption. John’s redemption was the future he hoped his son would create becoming a writer since he like books or whatever so thats what John died for the truly tragic thing about Rdr is that Jack became an orphan. I feel like if Abigail lived Jack would’ve lead a different life but since he lost everything he loved he became just like his father an angry orphan who becomes a outlaw but unlike John, Jack didnt have an Arthur to look after him. I swear if we ever get a RDR3 we need to explore what happened in Jacks life after the Federal Raid on his home, where did him and Abigail go? Why did become an outlaw anyway when he never was a very tough kid? I would love answers to this and then picking up to Jack killing Ross and what happened after i guess

Red dead 1 is a masterpiece in my eyes 🥹

Anybody know the name of the song that starts at around 0:33 ? Great vid!

This video wouldn't be nearly as good without the cowboy accent bits.

It would have been cool if Javier and Bill escaped to dutch in the end and in Mexico when John found out what happened he would just turn around and punch somebody

great video

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed it:)

I am keenly interested in Uganda's first Blu-Ray.

For me personally, I enjoyed the first section of the game (before Mexico), and felt the Mexico section of the game was such a drag. It was still fun, but I just felt I was doing errands after errands after errands, that section could've been shorter.

I’m glad you pointed out that every early game character is just satire, like that fact annoyed me so hard about this game, makes me not care about the story overall when every character around me is just awful.

@classicash2442

Жыл бұрын

Yeah for real, the first act the game was a real slow burn for me, and is the hardest part to get through.

@themadtitan7603

Жыл бұрын

I agree to disagree. RDR1 is fundamentally a cynical satire unlike it's more sincere, optimistic prequel and its 1st act is satirizing classic westerns where the protagonist is often surrounded by 1-dimensional caricatures of fools, degenerates and crazies. So in that regard, it works imo. However, where it fails as opposed to the rest of the story is how the satire is handled - rather than use it as to highlight a deeper nuisance about the characters like Reyes, DeSanta, Ross and Dutch in the Mexico and West Elizabeth chapters, it has the characters all devolve to just the satire.

@crazychase98

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@@themadtitan7603 Um the end is definitely tonally different from the start and the satire is definitely done a bit more smartly. But maybe i just stupid

@themadtitan7603

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@@crazychase98 That's...what I said. Which is that the satire in the first act falters because it isn't used as simply a front to explore deeper themes or the characters in-depth, but just to present a cast of wacky and funny characters to surround the players with.

Holy hell I’m sorry but you lost me when you said you didn’t know Johns plan going to fort Mercer. I’ve played this game back to front many many times, I find this story to be one of the best in gaming history, and your analysis of it is great but I had to stop there: John believes he will never see his family again, that he will never acclimate to the civilized world, he knows deep down he will be used and abused by the bureau until he gets killed somewhere. This move is a gamble. John’s last friend he knows, the last man that may be able to fight back against the system that Javier, Dutch, John and Bill had all fought against. When Bill denied John’s plea, John attempts a last ditch draw on his old companion. It’s mostly a suicide attempt and how you didn’t tie that back into there being no glory in the old west confused me pretty badly. I like the video still, this was very well made. Hope to see some great content in the future

@classicash2442

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This is amazing analysis! Yeah I think the suicide attempt went a little of my head, however I would still argue while it may be suicide attempt, no matter what it wasn't the smartest. John dying won't solve any of the problems. Him dead still leaves Dutch alive, and since Abigail is their last resource I wouldn't be surprised if they went to her next. (Ross says this in the game, but you could make the argument it was a scare tactic. But say he did start working will Bill, his family is pretty much dead at that point. However I think you have convinced me it was a moment of weakness for John. He was at a low and just wanted an out. Once Bonnie brought him back he may of realized it was such. Again amazing Analysis!

I think I have rockstar satire disease and I don’t think there’s a cure

@classicash2442

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I know you do, but we don't judge you for it :)

@alyssanorris360

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You’re so considerate 🤪👎🥰

I would argue that the spaghetti western genre wasn't really romanticising the old west either. The spaghetti western genre started with the dollars films, and Sergio Leone has always been very upfront that those films were meant as a critique of the classic westerns, which were generally very romanticised and usually had unambiguously good, honorable heroes who took down bad guys. That's why, not only are the dollars films much more gritty, but the man with no name protagonist is intentionally morally flawed. He's manipulative, backstabbing, ruthless, self serving and motivated almost entirely by greed (every film his ultimate goal is to get some kind of financial reward). He's only a hero in the sense that he's better than the people he kills, but that's not a high bar. That's not a criticism of the dollars films btw, I love them, and the lack of romanticisation and morally flawed protagonists are a big part of why I think they're so brillant

Only 631 subscribers, eh? Well now you have 632. :)

You know what ClassicAsh, i'll say this ones actually good. RDR is one of my all time best games. No more DnD though? I won then.

@classicash2442

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I've gained your approval, but at what cost.....

@jamesalthren9394

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@@classicash2442 A poor mans DnD guide with better ones on this service.

Did we play the same game I found it all amazing

How is this channel below 200 subs?

Fantastic vid. Are you gonna do one on RDR2 too?

@classicash2442

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Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it :) Yes! Eventually I will, but I really wanna do Red Dead 2 justice so it'll be a long video, gotta work up to it lol

Seth was super interesting. Especially as it's revealed he lost everything due to a lost for gold. Bonnie is the other side of the coin to John and illustrates just because your a good person in the Wild West you aren't guaranteed a happy ending.

@themadtitan7603

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I think all of the New Austin characters had an interesting aspect to their characters or backstory. I just wish they were all like Bonnie and Marshall Leigh Johnson and were more developed.

2:05 I like da Mark Twain :)

@classicash2442

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Me too my friend, me too :)