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@Sizdothyx

4 жыл бұрын

You're welcome.

@agk9276

4 жыл бұрын

Alright thanks

@kb24rd

4 жыл бұрын

@@agk9276 not even close bro. You take so much stats into account

@Emceend-channel

4 жыл бұрын

Corona season bro I needed something to watch!!!

@costcotheballer8171

4 жыл бұрын

You deserve so many more likes and views

Never change that background music

@darkchocolate3390

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly reason why I watch

@matictelic

4 жыл бұрын

Chuki beats Soul

@generalsagmandia8239

4 жыл бұрын

WORD

@titusrivers5059

4 жыл бұрын

Facts

@MasteIsIllmatic

4 жыл бұрын

Seriously. Sometimes I don’t even watch the whole video. Very soulful!

Honestly I was never a Kobe fan but it’s disgusting and shameful that the media try to use his death as an argument why lebron should get the MVP

@SCWPhillySports

4 жыл бұрын

zeno mod That’s the media for you bro. Rise above it

@WolvesFansince

4 жыл бұрын

Ya that's wack af

@Nozirev

4 жыл бұрын

Wait who did that

@totenblume7517

4 жыл бұрын

That's just like the media to use death as a stepping stone.

@zenomod2706

4 жыл бұрын

Blision Dave Mcsomething the ginger boy on espn and rachel Nichols .

Forget about PER for a second, Giannis is by far the mvp frontrunner this year and last year for that matter. The media tried to put Bron ahead of him this year because of what happened to Kobe.

@moikes714

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's more to do with them trying to stir up conversations and arguments around the league so the talk shows and journalists would have some content to work off. I'm pretty sure they started this whole narrative of LeBron having a good chance at MVP around the weekend in which the Lakers beat the Bucks and Clippers. Wouldn't be surprised if it was to do with Kobe, either, especially with people like Rachel Nichols playing with the headlines

@patchoockkmedor2561

4 жыл бұрын

@@moikes714 agreed

@hibachiagent0249

4 жыл бұрын

@@moikes714 i agree, but Giannis was miles ahead in the MVP race until Kobe died, then magically it's a neck and neck race for it. I hate that Kobe died, but i hate it more when people use his death to promote things.

@chitownkidd33

4 жыл бұрын

They just try to create a narrative for ratings, it would only be extremely disturbing if LBJ actually won the award because of media influence. Also Rachel Nichols votes so that’s a joke in itself.

@drizzejohnson5767

4 жыл бұрын

Ben10 Fishing not just what happened to Kobe but they want him to tie MJ. Some of the Lebron media was saying Giannis was MVP most the year but allegedly they was going to switch up end of season but it was cancelled

"the reality is that the game of basketball is far too complex and nuanced for players accomplishment to be summed up into one statistical number" OMG this quote is everything

@RagingRugbyst

4 жыл бұрын

That argument is stupidly redundant. Reality is far too complex to be summed up or represented accurately by statistics. They give you a pretty decent estimate of the reality depending on how good the model is and how reliable your measurements are.

I knew PER was a buster stan when Russ averaged like 6 turnovers and was one of the worst 3 point shooter and led the league in PER.

@ContextReallyMatters

4 жыл бұрын

So you're going to ignore him averaging a triple double for the entire season? Wouldn't that,kind of offset the turnovers and poor 3 point percentage?

@chrissullivan6572

4 жыл бұрын

@@ContextReallyMatters So you're going to ignore the fact that it's a stat to measure efficiency and he literally was not that? How can you do the 2 most inefficient things and be the most efficient player?

@ContextReallyMatters

4 жыл бұрын

@@chrissullivan6572 Like I asked and you ignored. Wouldn't him averaging a triple double offset the numbers where he was inefficient?

@Schmoopies

4 жыл бұрын

@@ContextReallyMatters if you're arguing this then you didn't watch the gotdam video. aight let's break it down bby girl: russ avg a triple double yes but was he an efficient scorer? No low FG%, abysmal 3P% was he an efficient passer/ball handler as a PG? No, avg 6 turnovers a game. Was he an efficient rebounder? That stats sort of up to interpretation. Sometimes he fights with his own front court players for the rebound but ill give him efficient rebounding fuck it. Thats 2/3 stats where he avg a triple double that he's inefficient in. You lose

@ContextReallyMatters

4 жыл бұрын

@@Schmoopies He lead the league in scoring, was third in assists, was top ten in rebounds and steals. He lead the league in plus/minus and lead the league in assist percentage. He averaged a triple double for an entire season. So I understand that his fg% was low and he did average 5 and a half turnovers but those other numbers offset that. The dude had a monster statistical season and that's why he lead the league in PER.

Excellent analysis as always, hope your doing well during these tough times

@GamingForGains

4 жыл бұрын

What about me?! I’m not safe. I’ve been out rioting for weeks now.

Nowadays I feel like the media makes up stats to prove a point for a player’s greatness

@kilocopter

4 жыл бұрын

Humble Dallas Fan it’s just more data like any stat it’s not perfect

@davegamesgames42

4 жыл бұрын

Harry Engel yes lol. Very good season

@deandrepage1048

4 жыл бұрын

For their employment status. Paralysis by Analysis.

@TruthOverFeelings745

4 жыл бұрын

It’s a usage stat to create more hype for the best player on each team. It’s a stat created for “talk shows” like first take to give more content. That’s why I don’t watch these shows any more. These “experts” don’t know more than the die hard nba fan, and frankly it’s insulting that they get so much praise.

@NealBones

4 жыл бұрын

Most of the media doesn't even watch the games, they get the stat report on their morning briefing and go from there.

PER is an old ass “advanced” stat, I think it was invented in 2001. There are way better metrics out now. It’s not bad, but it’s not the gold standard or anything lol. It rewards volume shooting way too much

@MysticMungusSlungus

4 жыл бұрын

I think dated is definitely a better way of putting it, instead of bad. When it was first introduced it was definitely useful, but current day's advanced stats are definitely superior.

@brandonreed3670

4 жыл бұрын

@@MysticMungusSlungus absolutely. PER is a fine stat to cite and if a player's PER is pretty high then its USUALLY safe to assume they're a good player. Over the past decade, as the pace of the game has increased, its become clear that the stat rewards volume shooting and rebounding way too much.

@MysticMungusSlungus

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandonreed3670 Good call. Rebounding messes up a lot of things as well. It's one of the reasons DBPM isn't entirely useful, without also knowing the players D-Rating in conjunction with it, especially for rebounding wings.

@MysticMungusSlungus

4 жыл бұрын

@John doue Quebec There isn't one. They are a number of stats that work really well together, to tell you how different portions of a player's game functions. Trying to roll all of that up into a single number would make it lose all tangible value. It would be like going to the doctor, and your doctor telling you that you're a "3 out of 10". What would that mean? Do I have cancer? Do I have a torn ACL? All I know is that I'm a "3".

@cristianosala5332

4 жыл бұрын

@John doue Quebec Win Shares, Win Shares/48', Box Plus Minus and Value Over Replacement

None of this has anything to do with the Giannis intro: He has the highest ever PER but is hardly an inefficient, high volume shooter. While he probably didn't have the greatest regular season of all time, it wouldn't be for the reasons here.

@ShugguhSugge

3 жыл бұрын

it showed the formula for how being inefficient wont hurt you, all you have to do is take shots, he may not be a "volume shooter" by definition, but he was the go to scorer for milwaukee, him being efficient just added to his PER, so point being being efficient will obv help, but being inefficient wont hurt you...so garbage stat.

I got hype when I heard that music start playing

@JohnBrown-yv1zd

4 жыл бұрын

Eww your name is disgusting.

@MalikEmmanuel

4 жыл бұрын

G. O. A. T. Is an acronym. We know this because there is a period after each letter. It stands for greatest of all time. If G. O. A. T is another acronym what does it stand for? Greatest of all T? I didn’t know that T was a word.

@safe3220

4 жыл бұрын

@@MalikEmmanuel 🙄🙄🙄

@MalikEmmanuel

4 жыл бұрын

safe it’s the kind of thing that bothers me. Normally I might have just kept it to myself but in these times of isolation crazy things can happen.

@safe3220

4 жыл бұрын

@@MalikEmmanuel Isolation leads you to having to be a smart ass at every chance you get? Riiight

So you’re telling me Player Efficiency Rating REWARDS inefficiency? Done

@gyromaster4174

4 жыл бұрын

truthsetsyou4ree I don’t think PER is Jordan’s holy grail I’m pretty sure it’s being 6-0 in the finals

Every stat is flawed if you look at it individually

@BasketballExamined

4 жыл бұрын

True. But as it relates to PER, just because someone came up with a formula, called it a "stat" and had the mainstream media push it as such, doesn't make it legitimate.

@HenryZhoupokemon

4 жыл бұрын

Basketball Examined but is any stat legitimate in that sense? Every stat needs to be taken in context. You can easily say “oh this stat is flawed because when comparing players it’s inconsistent” for every stat.

@efumali

4 жыл бұрын

@@HenryZhoupokemon not every stat is as flawed as others. The ideal scenario of creating a metric is statistic is to make sure that your main variable is unbiased as much as possible. What makes PER a highly flawed statistic is that it doesn't translate well into what it's supposed to measure: performance or wins. It's just a hodgepodge of different stats, with different % contributions. It over values certain metrics (FGM) and under rates others (mostly defense).

@efumali

4 жыл бұрын

@@HenryZhoupokemon and to add, there are stats that you can compare consistently across the board. TS% is one of them (measures both 2pts and 3pts according to weight).

@HenryZhoupokemon

4 жыл бұрын

Erik Umali yeah but it boosts players like harden who shoot so many free throws

People really be treating a stat that has Marcus Smart below average as the holy grail 😂

That PER is so inaccurate and shouldn’t be used anymore it’s very misleading. Great video once again man.

@eg14000

4 жыл бұрын

any stat that uses box score stats is misleading because box score stats in general are misleading.

I've always wanted a stat like that to go along with eye test, but they're always flawed. Sometimes it just happens that player A has higher PER than player B, but everytime they play: player B outperforms player A.

@xiamfinal571

4 жыл бұрын

Rafael Mertin paul george is much better than whiteside and has a lower rating than whiteside. Case closed

@idkman2833

4 жыл бұрын

nv.f the closest thing is pipm

@johnnyboi331

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Thats why lebron is MVP over giannis.

@Htiy

4 жыл бұрын

John Flanagan nah Giannis was the clear runaway most of the season 2 Damn games against the bucks and clippers doesn’t change that and I’m no bucks fan it’s like saying ZION is roy for that one month he went off

I remember people being excited when Hollinger got Hired by Memphis. I think I was in HS at that point but was familiar with Hollinger's articles for ESPN and had gotten into statistical analysis while in 6th -7th grade. We all thought it was cool to see him get the Grizz job, but I never understood why some players were consistently rated higher than gys I believed were clearly better. I just figured it was my own bias, but as I got older and found other writers and statheads (like Berry) I began to understand the flaws of PER and , as a result, understood some of our questionable draft and FA decisions. It's no coincidence that we got better as his and Chris Wallace's power waned. There is no one stat to rule them all, but there are many useful stats that help paint a full picture of a player's worth. PER is not one of them.

@s.l5787

4 жыл бұрын

Today's analysts would laugh at anyone using PER to measure impact

Love the intro full of talking heads who are constantly wrong about almost everything

@nocuh

4 жыл бұрын

77 ROFL yes I may say some "dumb hyperbolic" things in a comment section but not as dumb as getting mad online and caping for wright, Broussard, Nichols, bayless and kellerman

@philosophpascal

4 жыл бұрын

@Liam Foster by inefficient volume analyzing ;)

I never liked stats that put together too many stats to combine into one formula. I'd rather just get league averages of every Stat with the standard deviation. Then simply evaluate each player stats compared to league averages. Then use a metric (Z-score or percentile) to add up each category by position. It's more work but I get pretty accurate results.

Amazing video! Very informative, well-done man. I never truly understood that stat until I watched this video.

Lets go!!! One of the GOATs back at it again!!

Great video and awesome content! Keep it up man!

Oh man the Russ slander caught me off guard. Lmaoo.. gotta love when you expose this man for the fraud superstar he is. Worst MVP in the modern era.

@amorodioamor4388

4 жыл бұрын

TheMostEerned TV I been watching basjetball since 1970 and i have seen worss MVPS

@RainTheMamba

4 жыл бұрын

Amor odio Amor *modern era*

@amorodioamor4388

4 жыл бұрын

same answer. Although you wouldn't agree with them. For instance Shaq was most dominate 5 years and got 1 MVP

@Davivd2

4 жыл бұрын

@@amorodioamor4388 What about Steve Nash getting 2 MVP's playing in a gimmick system that inflates numbers but can't succeed in the playoffs?

@mohamedadan6678

4 жыл бұрын

I also didn't expect russ to show up 😂😂

Excellent analysis as usual! Thanks and bless you.

Great vid 💯💯

Best channel on youtube

Excellent video as always

great content again!

Sorry I'm late to the vid another great 1 keep them coming

I hate basketball but I love everything about the way you make these awesome videos. I wish there was a hockey version of this channel.

Love your videos bro. Just don't take too long to put one out😁.

You're back!

With all due respect to Westbrook this is why I never felt he was the MVP especially when looking at Kawhi Leonard who is closer to Russ's PER at higher efficiency in less minutes with a slower pace. See that more shots increasing PER is very flawed, great video

@chrismathgenius

4 жыл бұрын

Either James Harden or Kawhi Leonard should've won it that year.

@anthonylombardo4829

Ай бұрын

Yep I always thought kawhi was robbed

I always felt that with each sport the more the numbers are involved the more it is taking away from the game. Another great video like always.

Your analysis and research is phenomenal, love the music you accompany to your videos. Amazing channel for those who are basketball purists, as you correctly stated measures of defensive impact are lacking, I know deflections are now measured, I always said that should have been a stat as well as opponent field goal percentage, this helps to differentiate great defenders from just good shot blockers. But I believe the defensive stats are not looked upon greatly to fit the pro-offensive basketball narrative to help with views and making the league popular. As with many sports, nobody seems to want to watch or aspire to be defensive players. KEEP UP YOUR GREAT WORK, YOU ARE DOING BASKETBALL A GREAT SERVICE FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME!!

This is just another stat used by media heads(bronsexuals) who do not know basketball and can not break down film. Great video!

@VictorFPoB

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a LeBron fan and I think it's a terrible stat. Relax. Way better stats are out there to measure a player's ability and value. I believe in studying film, but it has to be done together with production since the eye test is the most flawed measure out there.

@wchan6755

4 жыл бұрын

@@VictorFPoB A LeBron fan and a bronsexual are 2 completely different type of people. My point is the main people who uses these stats do not know the game of basketball. I do agree stats and film breakdown do work together bit if you just use stats as an argument you should be quiet.

@stephcurrytheg.o.a.t

4 жыл бұрын

w chan facts they not using it this year cause his own teammate has a higher PER than him

@VictorFPoB

4 жыл бұрын

@nKosi Ama Kosi because many players look great by the eye test but are holding their teams back. For instance in the 2000s Josh Smith looked amazing, but then advanced analytics exposed him for being inefficient. Same thing with Monta Ellis.

@wchan6755

4 жыл бұрын

@@VictorFPoB eye test and knowing the game of basketball i.e film work/study are 2 different things. Advance stats can be just as flawed as the eye test

Always knew pet was off at times but I didn’t realize how often it is off thx for making this

I have this same issue with people that cite WAR as a major stat in baseball. It’s a positional metric and it’s why I disregard the metric. I always assumed PER rewarded volume but I did t realize it did so for bad shooting. Good work!

This was so we'll done that I will be watching even more videos from this channel in the future.

You should make a patreon and upload more there. I'd support that 100%. Your videos are very informative and addictive.

Great analysis!

So rarely you post videos and i like them before watching

Another great video. I LOVE this channel

I Love this Channel.

And you did it.... Brilliant content once again. A lot of research and critical thinking. Brilliant

8:15 F for Allen Iverson.

If only mainstream commentators were as passionate about the game as the author of this channel.

Could you do a video on the bucks/giannis this season your videos are really thorough and informative

The key word EFFICIENCY, makes these media guys and their writers think they will sound intelligent to the camera and the general public.

How did I know it was gonna loop back to the triple double season of Westbrick? Lmfao

PER is actually perfect for today's league, it measures how selfish and narcissistic a player is.

@BweezyM615

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

This guy wants to remove stats entirely. 😂

THANK YOU

uhh no clip after the ending sequence? Always waiting for it in your videos

Still my favorite background music on KZread...

There are way better advanced stats. PIPM, RAPTOR, win shares, wins added, box creation and more. Also, you diss PER but keep using arguably the most misleading stat in basketball, FG%. TS% is superior in every way.

@bornegamerz1180

4 жыл бұрын

TS% is misleading because harden in the regular season is considered an efficient because he pad his free throws to inflate this efficiency. Once the playoffs begin, he gets less free throw and the efficiency declines

@wavenstein

4 жыл бұрын

@@bornegamerz1180 why shouldn't free throws count towards efficiency? If they count as points why not count towards efficiency as well when they potentially use up a possession?

@VictorFPoB

4 жыл бұрын

@Chris Paul’s 3rd Cousin because it doesn't take into account the weight of shots. Let's make an example: If two players both take 10 shots, player A only takes 2s and makes 50% of them, he scores 10 points on 50% FG%. Then player B also takes 10 shots, but only takes 3s and makes 40% of them, he scores 12 points on 40% FG%. So why did player B score more points than player A despite having a lower FG% and them taking the same amount of shots?

@VictorFPoB

4 жыл бұрын

@@bornegamerz1180 I hate the way Harden plays, but FTs are part of the game. Also, his specific playstyle doesn't work in the playoffs, but other players whose games aren't affected are all better by TS%. It's not misleading, it's the best way to measure scoring efficiency in relation to shots taken. In fact, FTs are literally the most efficient way of scoring.

@efumali

4 жыл бұрын

@Chris Paul’s 3rd Cousin it's because it looks at both 2pt shots and 3pt shots as equals, whereas we know that 3pt shots have more value than a 2pt shot

Great argument and well said. My question is if the stated point of P.E.R is to show a player's on court production than I don't believe efficiency factors in. That would be another stat to track a player's production's efficiency, No?

I mean a lot of the issues you stated were explained in the original article. The defensive stats (blocks, steals) somewhat boost/diminish a players PER undeservingly.

I’m confused as to why ppg had no impact

@MysticMungusSlungus

4 жыл бұрын

This is because PPG is actually a calculation itself, of your made FG/FT attempts. PER uses the shot attempts and makes in its formula, so it doesn't need to know your PPG, the ingredients for such are already in the calculation.

@joneatsbagels7239

4 жыл бұрын

jamesNewman well I was specifically referring to his graphics and the players that he compared because like the one thing that was pretty drastically different in a couple of examples was points per game yet he never shined a light on that

@MysticMungusSlungus

4 жыл бұрын

@@joneatsbagels7239 Right. He didn't highlight it, because like I said, it's not part of the PER calculation. The things you use to calculate PPG, you use to calculate PER. PPG itself is meaningless due to the fact that PER contains the shot attempts and makes in it.

@joneatsbagels7239

4 жыл бұрын

jamesNewman well what I’m saying is that in part of the video there was the direct comparison of players with better stats and therefore the “better player” having a lower PER than another player with “worse stats” yet he failed to mention that the player with “worse stats” on some occasions had a little or very large disparity in PPG which is why I’m saying how points maybe would affect it because of how they had a higher PER with “worse stats”

If it was a sound judge of total offense, it would seem to be easy enough to incorporate defense by measuring everyones you guards PER and its difference from avg to develop a defensive PER. But with efficiency not a part of it, that is a pretty major flaw.

When this song comes on, I'm thinking of AFunkyDiabetic or Basketball Examined. That's a pretty good compliment

The other side lost as soon as the music started playing

I don't even like Basketball, but I love your shit anyway

I don't love PER, but I think a lower field goal percentage can be expected if a player is taking more shots, to some degree. Of course there's position to consider as well.

@Ben-hl5mu

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, if you take more shots your FG% often goes down, but when you're shooting 42% and 25% it means that you're shot chucking and your team needs to spread the shots around more. Those shot percentages are below league average, teams with no offensive superstars often shoot better than that. Russ is good when he drives the the basket and is a descent finisher around the rim, but his mid range and 3 point shot has never been good, but he hasn't realized that because he's a bad shooter he shouldn't take many outside shots. I'd much rather have a player like Ben Simmons who is also a bad shooter but is self-aware, and sticks to his strengths which offensively is play making and getting to the rim. MJ or Lebron have taken a lot of shots before, but I've never claimed they're shot chuckers before because they're very efficient.

@CarlyDayDay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-hl5mu I was just referring to the system, regardless of who the players are. I think what I was saying is that fg% alone isn't enough without taking the number of shots (points) into consideration. 10/10 does not equal 20/20, basically. When discussing these things, it's probably best to hold as many things constant as possible. What I mean is, compare percentages for the same number of points or the same number of shots. 10/20 vs 12/20 or 10/20 vs 10/18 or whatever.

@gangstagummybear3432

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ben-hl5mu Jordans fg% is overrated, so is lebrons, alot of their fga's are dunks, so yes, they arent chuckers, they are dunkers, jordan took heavy advantage of the iso friendly league he played in most of his career, lebron should be "efficient" he dunks alot, and he has played with alot of great offensive players to make it easy for him

My boy always on it. Hasn't made a bad video yet

It's funny how these Lebron stans and media always push stats for their arguments however they have conveniently left out that Lebron's teammate AD is putting better numbers in almost every single category just so they can make a fake MVP case for him. what a joke

@lukedro

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao what goes around comes back around

@johnnyboi331

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukedro Yep its hilarious seeing giannis stans and AD stans be told their stats dont mean shit. Lebron is obviously the better player than both. Stats dont matter. When these guys face off lebron comes out on top.

@JKTProductionzIncNCo

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyboi331 Bronsexual

@johnnyboi331

4 жыл бұрын

@@JKTProductionzIncNCo Giannisexual

@JohnBrown-yv1zd

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler Ellis AD will always get his numbers. They never lead to wins though, case in point his time in New Orleans. Cry kobesexual.

Yo when is the new vid coming out!!

Probably the only time I agree with one of your videos they are better when you don't attack individual players

From this analysis all I saw was that points per game seems to be weighted more heavily then all the other categories

ESPN needs to just go away

Once that beat drops..

Hassan Whiteside played horrendously this season. I was surprised to see his PER so high.

NOTI GANG

Advanced statistics are the bane of all sports in general. They make it hard for anyone other than the most diehard of fans to comprehend what's really going on, thus turning off a potentially large casual audience. Which in turn limits the potential for higher ratings, attendance, etc. Plus you don't need advanced statistics to tell who's a good player to begin with.

Wait I just want to know why you have your sub count disabled? Good vid though

Lol the guy who invented PER was heavily involved with the Memphis Grizzlies can someone tell me how many Larry O'Briens they are polishing off I think my memory is failing me.

The LeBron and Kobe comparisons made sense and I’m not sure if you did for solidarity or what lol

So basically, it’s not the “player efficiency rating” but rather the “player volume rating” or PVR

I just realized, Giannis will most likely be 1st in PER and beat Wilt Chamberlain, but we forget that Wilt held this record for almost 60 years and did this without BLOCKS OR STEALS. Wilt Chamberlain most likely averaged over 10 blocks a game, which would mean that he could have a PER higher than 40

You should offer alternatives to quantify performance as well. It’s easy to cite the problem what’s the solution?

Ain't they state that it is the most reliable way to determine player's efficiency, but it is a better one.

Trust your eyes

Yes, you can say that PER rewards Inefficient and Volume Scores, You can also say that PER rewards Confident and Aggressive players.

It's pretty hilarious that PER has efficiency in its name

That 15 being average across all seasons actual makes the comparison pointless because in a particular season where there are a bunch of great performances the a player having an average year is now being a label as below average because it’s essentially a curve

now do one for QBR and passer rating, even though its not basketball related lol.

PER is calculated using weights for each category, it doesn’t make sense to compare players based on how many categories they lead in. You have to look at how much the lead in each category too, someone may be slightly less efficient than another player in all the shooting categories, but if they have twice as many assists that more than makes up for it.

Great

is ppg not a major statistical category

Maybe Steph and Kawhi should have been co-MVPs in 2016-17 but they were ignored because everyone was sympathetic with Russ. KD missed the last 20 games and the Dubs were still the best team in the league.

Did he just forget that points are a stat

So we just gonna ignore that the PPG isn’t highlighted or acknowledged as a factor? Ok lol

@tyler-uq4tm

4 жыл бұрын

that’s what I was thinking

should we not take into account the difference between the stats for example lets say player 1 leads player 2 in 8 of the 12 stats but player 2 has a big lead in the 4 stats he leads and has a minimal difference in the 8 stats he trails should this not mean that player 2 would have a higher PER or do I just not get how the stat works

@JoJoENT

4 жыл бұрын

RedDevil21 exactly

@JoJoENT

4 жыл бұрын

Just because someone have better stats doesn’t mean that they efficiently per minute is better.

@JoJoENT

4 жыл бұрын

Basketball Examined correct me if I am wrong but I thought that PER was a rating of a players efficiency per minute

@BasketballExamined

4 жыл бұрын

So if the spread is also important, then please explain the Grant Hill graphic at 5:33. Justify how the spread from the 3 stats in '98 somehow negate and override the spread from the 9 stats of the '96 season?

@JoJoENT

4 жыл бұрын

Tragic Hero stats don’t prove who was more efficient ! Someone who was in the game for 40 minutes drop 20 points compared to someone who was in for 5 minutes dropping 15 points , who was more efficient in the time being in the game ? But who had better stats ? I 100% agree with you tragic , this is about efficiency not stats

At least Max Kellerman was actually smart enough to know it isnt the best

The only stat that truly matters are the results on the court which leads to wins.

Lmao no comparison for Hassan just the notion in of itself is argument enough

ACTUALLY (have to be a party pooper here) But I am very sure that ridge regressed adjusted plus-minus can sum up a player'si impact effectively with one number, as long as you know where that player's plus-minus is coming from. For that you'd have to use the eye-test. Just have to remember to know if you're examining regular season performance or playoff performance too.

Problem is people want to use advanced stats to do the thinking for them. I would NEVER base my analysis on a stat that I cant even figure out. People need to understand that basketball is a sport. A competition. There is only 1 goal in competition and thats winning. Stats is what you get while trying to WIN.

It’s good for pure stats just not impact etc

I have seen the PER formula and i think it's just adding up the box score stats with some ponderation to each stat. It still misses most of what happens in the game because PER literally only uses stats and doesn't watch the game. But I also believe it works to replace the regular "28, 7 and 7, or 30, 6 and 5 with 40% 3pt shooting" because those stats are also only box score stats. It's weird beacuse the westbrook inefficiency should be accounted on the formula, like the formula is supposed to substract if you shoot less efficent than league average, so if you increase you low effiecency shots, your PER should decrease, not increase as shown on the video. Of course PER is inacurate but so are raw stats, but with a good analysis it could be useful

@TheWokeSportsFan

4 жыл бұрын

Great reply. That makes sense bro