Ok, Iron Man is a fantastic idea

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

Well thank you very much!

Should probably give Hawkeye the archer type.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, you're right that's an obvious one that slipped through the cracks

Make Nick Fury a 5 color commander so you can have all the avengers in one deck.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

See, this is genius. I'd have him make tokens to represent LMD's and, maybe actually Morph this time as he sometimes goes invisible and whatnot

Honestly Hulk can fit Red in to the flipside. The card works a lot as a Temur Commander, especially with the unstable downside

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. I just don't think I could live with myself if I made Hulk anything other than green. Maybe as a stand alone card, without the transform I'd do Red Green tbf

I imagine that if there is a Doctor Doom card, he philosophically represents all colors EXCEPT green which is really funny irony

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I think I could see Devoid coming back as a mechanic for certain characters in this set

@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914

5 ай бұрын

"ude vs system" is the pinnacle of comics tcg

Maybe Iron Man should be an Artifact himself, he's not physically dangerous without the suit. Opens him up to artifact synergy (could be too much) but dies to artifact removal (flavorful I think). Plus, if he can save himself with that ability having him be vulnerable to more removal makes sense to me on some level.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I'd be on board as long as when he dies he leaves behind a 1/1 Human token with Tony's face on it

@simplegarak

6 ай бұрын

it would probably be too cumbersome to put in a set but it would be interesting if the iron man suit was a vehicle and you had a "Tony Stark" creature (1/1) who could pilot things (crew value = ∞) and buff the things he crews.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@simplegarak Nah man, we can add vehicles to our fantasy Marvel Set all we like! The quinjet, the fantasticar, the x-men's blackbird? Big wheel's wheel? Ghost riders bike? The Silver Surfers Board? Spider-man's buggy? Come on! These write themselves!

@simplegarak

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames How you can leave out the Thanos Copter or Night Thrasher's skateboard???? (or would the latter be equipment...)

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@simplegarak Yeah, to be fair the Silver Surfer's board is probably just equipment too. I can't see anyone else crewing that

While Hulk seems like he'd be Grul, making him and banner a Simic transform thing makes a lot of sense

@RedBobcatGames

7 сағат бұрын

Could always flip into Grul I suppose

Yeah, you got me, I’m a Cap fan. I feel like he’s a bit weak, tapping to deal 2 non-player damage every two turns sells him short (yeah, I know it’s more of a combat trick with Vigilance). Maybe have him regain the shield counter if his ability destroys the target (to mimic him catching the shield), or deal damage to multiple creatures (like how it ricochets between targets). Or even have Hexproof that he loses without the shield counter since, y'know, it's indestructible.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I like it. I think I'd probably add that he untaps and regains the shield counter if he destroys the target. That way it's a bit of both your ideas, and still allows him to add shield counters if he runs out

my one complaint is that these cards aren't nearly broken enough --- wotc needs the legacy players to be buying these, remember! halve the mana costs, put it at mythic as a special guest in an unrelated set, and you're much closer.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Maybe also lower the number of cards per pack, and double the price?

Bruce Banner should surely have the Enrage mechanic? Enrage: whenever Bruce Banner is dealt damage put an Anger token on it. When Bruce Banner has (I dunno say) 5 or more Anger tokens transform it. Incredible Hulk: Attacks each turn if able. When Hulk attacks tap target God that target opponent controls (Puny god)

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

See, I was on board with "Attacks each turn if able", but "Tap target God"? Yes. 100% yes

I had a similar idea with Captain America. But instead of removing a shield to do damage, remove a shield to counter target spell. Then some anthem effect on top.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Oh that's a cool idea. He does often use his shield as an "interrupt" like against Thanos to dirstract him from snapping his fingers. And an anthem also totally makes sense. I like it!

@simplegarak

6 ай бұрын

I keep thinking of for Steve... "If he is equipped, unequip him and deal damage to a target equal to his power." Then at end step, he gets a free equip. 😉

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@simplegarak Yeah I started out designing the shield first as a seperate artifact, but then kept hitting up against New Cappenna shield counters in my braind and once that happened I dropped the idea for two cards, so that Cap would feel right even if you hadn't drawn the shield from your deck yet

@richardharrison4762

6 ай бұрын

When Captain America ETB search your library for an equipment card named - Captain America’s Shield and put it onto the battlefield. Captain America’s Shield Equip Captain America creature 0 Equipped creature is indestructible Unequip: Deal X damage to X target creatures where X is half equipped creatures power rounded down

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@richardharrison4762 See, I was going to do exactly that. But then I found myself designing a Shield card, rather than a Cap card, so went with shield counters instead

Iron Man being a Voltron commander makes so much sense

@RedBobcatGames

7 сағат бұрын

Yeah, that was what I was thinking sort of. Just wasn't sure if I was making him too strong or too weak

I love your Captain America character! Lol!

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. He's very excitable at times

Honestly, I think you might've overbalanced these. Even for their regular set cards, Wizards has thrown their power scaling out of whack, and they like to go above and beyond to push Universes Beyond. I expect these all to be significantly stronger for significantly lower CMC.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Yeah, you're probably right

@manlyman8235

5 ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. These seem woefully weak. Creatures in 2023 are busted. Think about UB 2025!

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

@@manlyman8235 Power creep certainly does feel like it's been ramping up quite significantly in the last few years

Since cap can get multiple shield counters, making the tap ability spend X counters to target X creatures could be cool to represent him bouncing the shield between multiple targets

@RedBobcatGames

5 сағат бұрын

Oh that's a cool idea. Or maybe make it that if you spend a mana you can target an additional creature after the first?

I think the ones with tap abilities are a little too slow for current Magic but would be fine in the past. Black Widow should be buffed and maybe just have unblockable (maybe make her black/blue.) For Hawkeye it might be cleaner to give him a "Choose one" ability with options to represent his trick arrows. The Hulk should have indestructible as well.

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

All good points. And I think you're right about these not being power crept enough. But weirdly I'm okay with that. I feel like it's current Magic that's wrong, not me lol. You know?

I love this video! This style and format of video is real cool to me, it would interesting to see more in the future, if the bobcat likes. (Also, I love discussions of color identity! There's a cool podcast called 'pie break' about adapting non-magic things to the color pie.)

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Oh that's cool to hear. Not just me that thinks about stuff like this then. And thank you for the comment. Glad you enjoyed!

I huckle every time you ask if they're busted, because almost every one of them is underpowered

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I forget how much power creep there is. Have you seen Warleader's Call from Markov Manor? Jeeze!

Tbh, the avengers specifically being different colors makes sense, they're a team of heroes with wildly different pasts brought together against a greater threat. It's not like the Gatewatch are all one color.

@RedBobcatGames

7 сағат бұрын

True, very very true. I'm actually working on a second one of these right now with the assumption that "All mutants would be the same colours". Spoilers, it's the X-Men!

@cruye9633

6 сағат бұрын

Ooh. Is deadpool gonna have a silver border?

@RedBobcatGames

5 сағат бұрын

Alas, it's on the original 80s Xmen cartoon (which I haven't watched yet, but I hear the recent reboot is really good)

Get me a bunch of cards that represent the infinity stones, then meld them all to make the gauntlet so I can flip a coin and exile permanents. I'd probably buy that for the shenanigans alone

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Like a more complex Kaldra? I'd be down

Really good ideas here

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. I worked really hard on this one. And it's actually really hard to guage power levels of a card when designing it. I feel for WotC's card designers. I wish they had more time to play test and develop

Thor should be R, tap, and exert to lightning bolt. Also i would make Hulk simpler: Bruce - enrage: transform him. Hulk - enrage: hulk gets +1/+1 I would bet you real money the real sets will have "avengers assemble" on them. Which will just be the new "friends forever" or "doctor's companion."

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Oooohhh. That's actually a really good idea. I do like a Partner mechanic that isn't just Partner. I know it's not to everyone's tatste but I quite like "Partner With" and "Friends Forever".

@simplegarak

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Oh I love partner with (even have a knight/dragon deck built around those two) and even think background was a neat idea. FF though sometimes bugs me. Will still bet you on it being called "Avengers Assemble" and Iron man utilizing energy. 😁

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@simplegarak I honestly could not tell you if FF is good or not. The reprinted those cards on Innistrad and my rose coloured glasses for that set tilt my bias all the way into positive! I can't help it, Innistrad is my weakness

I'd love to have a video from you talking about Universe's Beyond since I particularly love it as long as it is done at a 7/10 or above. If it's not that and I don't care about the property, I don't really care about it all that much, but if it is a property I love that they have done wrong, which hasn't happened yet, I feel l would be quite livid. I also wanted to ask you how far you've gone into the custom card space. I've been really interested in it, going so far as to make 4 unique commander decks following most of WOTC's rules for a property I love, and want to find a place or community that houses a collection for custom cards. Your cards you just made were very nice, if a little underwhelming in isolation, but I've realized that that is the case with most cards that WOTC makes, especially after making cards myself, so good job!

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Why thank you very much. I make custom cards from time to time, but never physically have them printed. I believe I may have mentioned to you already that my next video is on a "What if" Star Trek Universes Beyond. I don't design any specific cards in it but I do talk about Archetypes and have some ideas around what cards I would want in there.

@calvineagar1863

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames that sounds so cool, and I think you had mentioned it. Now that the play booster design skeleton has been posted by Mark, I was going to remake the Star Wars the Gathering project. My 1 qualm with doing so at the moment is that while there is a place to see all of the official magic cards in one place, like Scryfall, there isn't a place like that for unofficial cards. It would essentially just be a place that had a beautiful sorting method of links to other people's designs on other websites, and wouldn't be a place to make them itself. It's just such a shame that something like the designs you create or anyone creates are just relegated to small forums, blog posts, or KZread videos where hardly anyone will see them

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I suppose that's because WotC's lawyers would crack down on it. I imagine they'd see it as theft or something dumb

amazing video! would love to see an x-men version maybe as a commander precon prediction with a few synergistic lands and artifacts! Also maybe for cap you could add "if this damage is lethal put a shield counter on him".

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. And just as I was uploading I realised that I hadn't given Wolverine Regeneration. Almost made me want to scrap the whole video haha

@patrickm6009

6 ай бұрын

Ooh.. Reference the card Telepathy by having Professor X have opponents play with their hands revealed (Maybe with a condition to turn it off so it isn't so annoying) Bonus points if you give him an X ability

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@patrickm6009 That's actually a sick idea. I love it. Or maybe make it a new keyword, and have a keyword that prevents you from revealing cards from your hand so reflect telepaths, and those trained against them like Cyclops battling it out

Lord of the Rings did a good enough job with making decks that coupled sensible characters and had color representation that felt it made enough sense.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Sure, but LotR may be an exeption that proves the rule imo. That entire story is focused on the "plane" of Middle-earth, and so there are plenty of examples of characters, races and cultures to fill the ranks of each colour. Unlike Marvel it's not all named characters either. Outside of things like Hand Ninjas, Shield Agents and Aim Scientists, I'm not sure what creatures will be in the set that aren't Legendary. I guess we'll find out

some thoughts: * Iron Man should probably be an Artificer? * the way you’ve made them two colors is interesting and I can’t recall; they would count as 2-color commanders right? But not be gold cards?

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! And correct. They only require the one colour to cast but reference a second colour in their text. I said they were "enemy colour cards" which isn't quite true because of the mono-colour casting cost but you get the idea. And yeah, you're right. Artificer would probably have been a better match for Iron Man

"Should all be same color to work well in a deck together" is a bad take. Like, I get that you'd want characters that work well together to have synergistic playstyles, but that doesn't necessarily mean dame color. The Fantastic Four, for instance could probably be Izzet aligned with Sue and Reed as blue cards while Jhonny and Ben are red, and all of them has a similar theme that makes sense in both colors (like draw 2 back in OG Eldraine) while another team like S.H.I.E.L.D. can be in blue and black with an artifact theme. With that framework you could have Sue Storm and S.H.I.E.L.D. agent #606 be both blue, but not synergic with one another, but her and Jhonny be synerginc despite being different colors. At most, you can argue that each team leader should contain all the colors needed to helm a commander deck of that team, but even that is probably more strain in the design process than what is worth for the reward.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, for sure. And that works well with the Fantastic Four. Maybe even other teams like the Defenders and Guardians. But big teams like the Avengers, X-men, Eternals and Inhumans would need to be 5 colour to avoid doing some individual characters on the team a disservice. And then, what? At prerelease everyone's trying to build 5 colour decks just to run the characters they like most? I don't see it working. At most a team could function like that in 3 colours, but then running Cap in RWU and Nicky Fury and Black Widow in B wouldn't work

@teradul2480

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames they have said that they want to make multiple tentpole products, which so far mean draftable sets, so it could be that we get a single big team in focus per set. The first set gives us the avengers, but no X-men (withe the exception of memebers that have been in both teams like Wolverine) the second gives us X-men, but no Inhumans, stuff like that. I do think most of the other teams would likely be 2 or 3 color, even if you have to omit a particular team member or two in order to make that work

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@teradul2480 That's very true, and is potentially a better method of doing it. I'd quite like to see an Xmen set

I think the Hulk card is great but I'm not sure if the trigger works how you want. If Bruce is ever dealt that 2 or more damage he will just die before the trigger to transform him applies. You could change it to "Whenever Bruce Banner blocks or becomes blocked, transform it". I might be wrong if you were going for a thing where you have to buff him up first if you want him to transform while attacking though. Overall great ideas, keep up the good work! :)

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

*Looks over at Bruce Banner design on the drawing board* *Throws the whole drawing board into the bin* I'm going to have to do an errata video, aren't I? Maybe I just claim that buffing it first was the intention and stick with it haha

Black widow should be assassin or rogue creature type. Past that, I really, really liked the way cards where designed, kinda reminds of pre-F.I.R.E. cards. Also, I think one way to have all the avengers in the same deck would be having a Nick Fury as a 5-color card that cared for legendary creatures, and had some ability to "assemble" the avengers.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Thank you, pre FIRE design was always my favourite. If I were to ever help design real cards I'd want to go back to the old ways. Less need for constant bans

Captain america is definitely my favourite!!!

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

TBF, of the MCU he may be my fav too

Okay, Iron man slapping the battlefield as a 14/14 hasty flying menace is pretty in character

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I'm taking that as a compliment on my design haha

Definitley a close idea of what could happen, on the expansion, defintely Iron is going to have something to do with artifacts and hulk is going to be a transform card, I think that for the case of Thor and Captain America they are for sure going to print the hammer and the shield, also a lot of people are saying the serialized card are going to be infinity stones, however I think thath in addition to those they are going to have a serialized 1 of 1 Mjolnir so that they can market it as "you pull it so you are worthy" or something like that.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I suspect every lengendary card will be serialized because Hasbro cares only about money. And I was so close to putting a Shield card into this vid, but when I started I realised I was only really designing the shield and not Cap instead. So I stopped and just gave him a shield counter

Give them 'partner with ___' and you might be able to have a super team. Also, Hulk's color is red. His whole thing is about rage and emotion. Maybe smart hulk is blue/green. But I get it too. Wizards is absolutely going to do the same and make hulk green.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, 100%. I couldn't not do it. I think if I did a stand alone card I'd make him Red Green, but as part of the transform he has to have that Green border

Admittedly I don't agree that they need to be all the same colour to work well together, I can see that if your mana base is good enough you could support 5c avengers tribal.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Very good point to be fair. Not sure how I would feel about a set where everyone is playing 5 colour decks, but running different tribes and archetypes. But would certainly be something

@joshuaturner4602

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames to be fair I agree with you I don't think every deck should be 5c but you could have it so that all the cards in a colour combo are related E.g. You could make a captain America commander deck where everything fits into jeskai.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@joshuaturner4602 Sure, but then it'd feel weird to me if Black Widow isn't black, you know? It's in her name. Plus, I made a joke of it but if the Hulk isn't green then what are we even doing? (You watch this space as they print a non-green Hulk when the set actually comes out)

@joshuaturner4602

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames hulk doesn't actually exhibit any of greens love or care for nature and watching things grow so yeah I don't think he will be green, hulk (if he is a transforming card with Bruce on one side) will probably be izzet, with banner in blue and Hulk in red Widow could be black especially early on she does have that ambition/victory at a g cost mentality

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@joshuaturner4602 True, but I'm not sure how much imput Disney and Marvel will have on these cards either. I feel like we have a green hulk incoming, whether it makes sense or not. (WotC are willing to break the colour pie. A bit like they did with the D&D sets)

"ude vs system" is the pinnacle of comics tcg

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

Should I take this as a sign of approval for my designs?

Flying and has no wings. A sinister reminder that art does not reflect abilities.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I saw that LotR card. Sometime art doesn't even reflect the character on the card!

@tk421eatmyshorts

2 ай бұрын

Could be worse. Could have wing and no flying. You know what wings give you? Flash?

To respond to your questions at the end, Captain America being 3 color definitely messes with me more than anything else you did and I for one think what you did with Bruce is brilliant. Personally I wouldn't limit the transformation from Banner into the hulk to combat damage as if i remember correctly hes transformed instead of died on a few occasions outside combat and I dont see it making the card too busted. Iron man is my favorite avenger and id totally play your version of his card tho if i had to make an iron man card myself id probably toy arround with ixalan's craft mechanic with tony on the front side and iron man on the back.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Well thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed. And I think you're right about Bruce. Could probably just change it to something like "If this would die, exile it and return it to BF transformed instead" or something like that. Meaning you'd have to exile him to get rid of him... In turn meaning there's a white card in that set which exiles a creature called "Quin Jet Into Space"

How dangerous would it be for Toyn Stark to have an activated ability where he can turn targeted controlled artefacts into equipment instead. The equipment would give X+1/X+1 where X is the CMC cost of the artefact. Building things out of a box a scrap in a cave is kinda his thing, you know. Unsure how crazy this would be when combined with affinity for artefact cards.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I think it could work, but maybe the artifact would to lose it's other abilities? Or maybe just lose it's static abilities, and artifacts that need to be tapped, tap him too? Perhaps

Instead being as strong as margle just give a passive effect to brucebanner/hulk where he is always +1 stronger than any creature on the field and maybe once a turn destroy a permanent...I know universe beyond isn't everyone fav but i do like how it brings younger gens in to learn mtg but i would love to run a deck or at least a card im excited great opportunity for the whole multiverse I would love to run scarlet witch or dr.strange or loki a lot of favs maybe see teferi in avengers secret wars for a protection scene 😂

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I think as long as they print Magic IP versions of the cards I'd be on board personally

I feel like sending iron man more down the izzet route would have been good too. Or like Bruce, have a Tony Stark card that's full in on Izzet

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I suspect with "multiple sets" coming we're probably going to get a lot of versions of each character. Even Magic IP doesn't escape that sometimes. What, are there like 20 Chandra's now or something? Crazy Though in fairness I suppose those are probably all the same colour. I'd like to see different coloured cards for all the Avengers tbh

Iron man, colossus hammer, 14 damge , admittedly it will lose flying but if you swing to someone that dosent have blockers, yo pretty much deal 14 damage, and you can even play something like unleash fury for a instant kill

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

See, and I was worried he would be OP haha

Lol... Thanos and Fblthp will rule them all 😂😂😂

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

"I am inevitable" "I am in need of directions"

I don't think hulk should be an 18/10, i think around a 7/7 would be better, considering eldrazi are around 10/10s and i dont think hulk is stronger than emrakul or ulamog, or the many other creatures 10 power or more.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I dunno. He beats the snot out of Surtur for a moment there in Ragnorok. I think he could get a titan a run for their money. (But also I suspect you're probably right)

I can at least pretend I'm playing Marvel Vs. Capcom in card form with my Street Fighter bunk. ;_; (seriously don't know why Teppen and Marvel Snap never did a crossover event. that'd have been rad.)

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

*quickly googles Teppen* *mouth drops open and eyes widen in shock* Ohhhhh man. I'm about to get into another card game, aren't I?

@ClexYoshi

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames the big problem with Teppen is that it's only on mobile, and it has an actual timing/dexterity element to it, but... yes! Capcom has a card game that does a very good job of utilizing the DEEP well of their IP.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@ClexYoshi That's awesome. I always love Capcom crossover games. Especially the old school arcade 8/16 bit ones like Street Fighter vs Xmen and Marvel vs Capcom 2

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

​@@ClexYoshi That's awesome. I always love Capcom crossover games. Especially the old school arcade 8/16 bit ones like Street Fighter vs Xmen and Marvel vs Capcom 2

I just want black panther to be 5 colors so he can helm my black power deck

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I feel like maybe the set would have the Infinity Gauntlet in it, and it would have something like it's 5 colour itself, can be your commander, and can partnered with any creature. Then would do something bonkers on top

Of course Cap would be Jeskai, aka Team America. I think they all would have more than one color and maybe even more than one version if it's like an LOTR set. I would think both cap and Iron Man could be all 5 colors to represent leading the whole team. It might even be interesting to have civil war versions that can lead their civil war counter parts. As far as the abilities, I think they are neat, but a lot of tap effects and I'm doubtful they will go that route so much. More triggered abilities.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I think you're right about the multiple copies of each card. We're getting multiple sets over multiple years so that tracks. And you right, I was conscious of how many tap effects I was putting in. But I wanted to make them all mono-colour to cast, but have an activated ability of a different colour. Not sure why relfecting upon it. Just felt right at the time

@SwedeRacerDC

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I do see Hawkeye and Hulk fitting into those colors for sure. Even Black widow, she could be Dimir though and all three would fit into your Sultai commander deck.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@SwedeRacerDC Yeah, see this is what I mean though about how most IP doesn't really gel properly with Magic's 5 colour system. I think you could make an argument for all the Avengers being every colour if I'm being honest

@SwedeRacerDC

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I definitely agree with you. That has been a big problem in my opinion with them as well. I was disappointed with the colors of a lot of the doctor who cards and such, though being a huge fan of both the show and Planechase picked up the decks. I've kept them as is right now for a unique play experience, but will eventually incorporate at least Timey Wimey into my Jhoira suspend deck, or more like vice versa. But yeah, most of the avengers could be all 5 in their ultimate form, or at least 4 colors. But I think it would be best if only a couple could lead the whole team. While I haven't been very excited about most universes beyond inclusions, they're here to stay and some of them have been very exciting and fit well thematically in my opinion. Such as all of the LotR set.

@gatesofnocturne3700

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I think there's probably a 5-color captain america at some point. Not for any real reason beyond "look you can run all the avengers"

I would play all of these for the Memes! However, I think I would make Hulk be a Self-Contained Vigor with the abilities of the Craw Giant, so Rampage 2 and Trample, and make the Hulk a 6/6 to start, and have Bruce Transform as a replacement effect of dying from any Damage, like regenerate. Thor had way too many Keywords, I think Indestructible, Flying and maybe having the Inferno Titan's ability would have been perfect, not too much, but certainly not too little

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

When you say self-contained vigor, do you mean the it would only work for intself? I guess I can see that working but I'd want to add something else in, like if it doesn't attack in a turn it loses its counters and flips or something. Though with recent power creep that's probably not going to be good enough

@nikolibarastov4487

4 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames So, to the Self-contained Vigor Question, yes it would only work for the Hulk, and Banner flipping from any form of Destruction would represent the insane Regeneration Properties of the Hulk, because there are times Banner gets hit with all kinds of stuff that should kill him as a Human, but hulk saves him with an instant transformation.

@RedBobcatGames

4 ай бұрын

Very true. You even see a bit of that in the movie with the "Other guy spat it back out" scene

Great video. I agree with much of your assessment. Here are my thoughts: I would love to see one Avenger for each point in the mana curve. I'm thinking Bruce Banner/Hulk is a MDFC that casts for either 1 green or 7 red, Black Widow is at 2 in Orzov, Hawkeye at 3 in Golgari, Cap for 4 in red white and blue(also think they should change the order for this particular card), Iron Man at 5 in Izzet, and Thor at 6 in Boros. ..but that still leaves 5 2-color combinations open, here are my nominations: Scarlet Witch for Rakdos, Wong for Azorius, Loki for Dimir, Black Panther for Simic, and Ant Man for Selesnya.. also I propose Dr. Strange would be Esper, Carol Danvers would be Naya, Odin would be Mardu, Thanos would be Jund, Gamora would be Abzan, Rocket would be Temur, Ultron would be Grixis, Spider Man would be Bant, and Nebula would be Sultai.. Moreover, Falcon would be mono-white, Heimdall would be mono-blue, Moon Knight would be mono-black, Drax would be mono-red, and Groot would be mono-green. Vision would be colorless.. Nick Fury should be WUBRG, adds WUBRG spend this mana only to cast Avenger spells.. Also, I think Cap's shield and Mjolnir should be their own legendary equipments; the Iron Man suit could be a legendary vehicle.. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, and I haven't seen the most recent releases, but these are my thoughts, and I'm happy to debate them respectfully if you see a flaw in my logic.. 🌞🌈

@user-ki5fg6kv1c

5 ай бұрын

..just want to take a quick second to defend Bruce Banner being green and not blue.. While he is a scientist, which represents pursuit of knowledge, it is his peaceful nature that keeps The Hulk at bay..

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

Aside from Moon Knight being mono black (I feel like he should be mono white) I can't really argue. What would you do for the X-men?

@user-ki5fg6kv1c

5 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Prof X : Azorius Magneto : Jund Wolverine : Gruul Cyclops: Boros Storm : Naya Hank McCoy : Mono-blue ..sadly I'm not that knowledgeable about x-men lore, that's all I could think of..

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

@@user-ki5fg6kv1c Yeah, that's fair. And to be honest, they've changed so much over the years you could probably argue any colours for any of them. The X-Men are a big soap opera, and one day Magneto is the villain, the next it's Cyclops

Commenting for the algorithm!

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

It always helps!

Good idea for the cards, though I feel like some things are missing to make them have a unique flare, as magic sets at least tend to do. If I could throw my own few cents with these... The Iron Man Equipment design is a good idea! Though I would imagine they would add multiple iron man suit types as well. They may even do different versions of the same character at different points of time! Tony Stark, Returned Innovator - UR Prowess X, T: Search your library for an Equipment card with Iron Man in its name and put it into play, then shuffle your library. As long as Tony Stark, Returned Innovator is equipped with a card that has Iron Man in its name, all triggered or activated abilities of that equipment happen twice. 0/2 I made Tony and the suit separate since I feel like there will be suits in the set itself, and also why I gave him 0 attack and prowess. Despite being smart, he doesn't have too much formal combat training. Though give him anything, casting a non-creature spell, and he'll be able to use it to his advantage! Though lastly after the search ability, which is him building his suits, he also is the best at operating them more so than anyone else which I showed off in Tony being able to double the effects that the suits have.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Cool idea. I'd make him have at least 1 power though. In Iron Man three he does show he's not to shabby in a fight out side of the suit. Aside from that, I thought it was great!

Big fan of the Captain America card pretty much how i would have designed it too. As for having a deck where they're all in it, give them partner so you can fill in the gaps

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Or maybe bring back the Background cards from the D&D set? Call them Origin Stories. Oh damn that's a great idea! IF YOU'RE READING THIS AND THEY DO THAT, YOU SAW IT HERE FIRST!

You forgot the classic : When a(n) ~ ability would trigger, that ability triggers an additional time

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

For who? Iron Man? I could see that working for Doctor Strange maybe?

If I were doing the first 2 phases of the MCU, I'd probably break down the colours thusly: White - Asgardians Blue - SHIELD Green - Gamma mutates and Pymtech Red - Starktech and Guardians Black - Hydra and Thanos Gives you a decent spread across all five colours and makes them feel relatively tribal

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

No x-men? And what about the muppets?

@triggerman7

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames That was just for MCU. A 616 collection would be a very different matter

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@triggerman7 No x-men in the MCU... yet!

Love the video, and the cards are all quite thematic. I like that Thor had vigilance, so you can attack and bolt on the same rotation, but not untapping after bolting does make the 7 mana feel kinda bad. Maybe a once per turn limit could work? I probably wouldn't play Black Widow and Hawkeye, as their abilities are a bit too niche to warrant tapping them to do. Bruce is very thematic. The "combat damage" part of his activation does make it very telegraphed, but I suppose a "this creature must be blocked if able" type effect can get around that. Cap looks alright, but Iron man seems straight up BUSTED 😆 For 5 mana, you could fetch a Helm of the Host to copy him and give the copy, say, Kaldra Compleat or a Colossus Warhammer (if your opponent has 1 or fewer creatures), and you can just swing for 13-18 right away, that's very unlikely to be blockable with flying/menace. A tutor alone is pretty strong, but a tutor with free cast and equip is nuts! 😆 Zur the Enchanter does kinda the same thing, but is capped at 3-mana auras, but that's still enough for him to be played in CEDH.

@HjorturPwns

6 ай бұрын

Minor extra tangent on Thor. Look at Drakuseth, Maw of Flames, perhaps the most similar card. 7 mana for a 7/7 flyer. On attack, deal 4 damage to a target and 3 damage to 2 other targets. It's almost strictly better, and still only sees play in 18% of Ur-Dragon decks (where you'd most expect to see it) despite being a 1$ card. I think Thor could use either a lower mana cost or less downside to using his ability. Maybe even make it an attack trigger, since you're gonna be swinging with a vigilant flyer anyway.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeeeaahhhh. All these thoughts did cross my mind haha. I could feel as I was typing it up that I'd missed the mark on him! Still, I liked the idea though. I'm not even sure making him cost more would help though tbh

@HjorturPwns

6 ай бұрын

Don't get me wrong, I love the theme! But maybe you can have it auto-equip something from your hand rather than your library. It'll still be really strong, but you'll have to have those strong equipments in your hand for it to work.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@HjorturPwns True. Though I'm not sure that's a good reflection of Iron Man's ability to work with scraps either. Maybe he can turn other artifacts into equipment? Or make non-creature artifacts into creatures like with Ultron?

@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914

5 ай бұрын

"ude vs system" is the pinnacle of comics tcg

I might add that Hawkeye and black widow would make sense to be partners

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Very true. A lot of people are suggesting a Partner style mechanic that could be called "Avengers Assemble" or something. I think that would work

tbh they feel pretty underpowered to wotc current design with the exception of Iron Man, since he is a tutor.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I get that. But weirdly, that almost feels like a compliment. I'm not really a fan of power creep in general, but this most recent push from WotC feels more driven by profit motives than what's actually best for the game

Quick question, why is Black Widow white?

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Well she's black, but her ability is basically a reflection on her being a government agent (part of a large "rules setting" organisation like Shield) and as such she's able to arrest people. Plus, the ability itself to tap something down in that way is seen on a bunch of white cards

@kaleidoslug7777

2 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames That checks out, gotcha. Nice videos btw!

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Given how poorly the MCU translated into sales of comics, I'd honestly be pretty shocked if these cards were in any way MCU-themed. It seems like a hard sell to get the general audience that the MCU was made for to buy into Magic of all things. Not to mention, it would leave out a massive chunk of Marvel characters. I suppose there might be cards in the collector packs that have MCU art, but even that sounds unlikely given likeness royalties. Plus, the MCU is not particularly popular anymore, so I expect more "evergreen" versions of the characters (which of course do end up having similarities with the MCU characters), like what they have done with the recent Coca-Cola collaboration. Marvel doesn't really tend to reuse any particular version of a character across media either. Even the Fortnite stuff was its own take rather than being MCU. It would potentially even make sense for this to be its own Earth as well as a Plane, crossing over those two bits of lore. I know this is a 4-month-old video and no one probably cares about my take, but I'm sleep deprived and just needed to ramble about this since I'm very excited about these two properties crossing over and I really just want the MCU to stay in its own yard.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Hey man, I care! I enjoyed reading your thoughts. And I think you're probably right. When they did the LotR cards they didn't look anything like what we'd seen before so I suspect you're correct and they'll probably do a similar thing with the Marvel sets. Still, I can dream. And I'd be surprised if we didn't see RDJ's face on a card somewhere, even if it's a Secret Lair

Cards don’t have to be the same color to go into the same deck.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Sure. But trying to run a 5 colour deck at a prerelease just so you can play all the Avengers you pulled isn't much fun either

@Yourbeautiful666

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Sure, but we’re not talking about just pre-releases of course. And the odds of pulling half the avengers team at pre-release is probably not going to happen.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@Yourbeautiful666 Very true. I just think there's too many teams of distinct characters in Marvel, which will lead to a lot of 5 colour decks if you want to do X-Men tribal vs Guardians or whatever. This is partyly why I'm not a fan of Secret Lair

skulk was blue black

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Was, sure. But check Gregor, Shrewd Magistrate / Glenn the Voice of Calm. I don't think Universes Beyond is bothered by that sort of thing to be honest.

for 1 i think all of these cards are too "fair" and wizards would never print "fair" cards and for 2 id also make the equip an "on attack" trigger so if u find ways to trigger it multiple times it gains the iron man fantasy of equipping urself with the hulk buster armor mid combat and i would have made him half white instead of blue with a flicker effect cuz his move is ejecting out of a suit and reequipping a new one almost instantly and id of also made him a 1/1 with "hexproof without equipment" and no other keywords because his whole gimmik is being a self building voltron so u can have an equipment called "iron man suit" which gives +3/+3 and the keywords

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I like all of those ideas. Also, pleased to hear my designs called fair. That is what I was aiming for. Thank you

The main issue with Tony is cauldra complete

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, like I said that one felt busted. Not sure how I'd fix it tbh. Thoughts?

@rosecooldude1024

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGamestheres two ways to do it. one let it only get mana value 3-4 or less or make it so its an activated ability? the other ways is to make it so it only equips for the turn then exiles the equipment. hammer time uses stone forge for turtoring onto the battlefield and puresteel for cheating equip cost. i think now they also run forge anew but i havent looked at lists in a bit. more or less try to ballance it like how hammertime works. or make it more controlling. sadly the best and probably most common fetches are cauldra complete and embercleave. theres also antoher way to do it simmilar to greese fang. where you fetch the equipment and then bounce it to your hand at end of turn.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@rosecooldude1024 I don't think I'd want to bounce or exile the equipment after you've got it. Tony doesn't do that a huge amount during a fight. Maybe we could limit it to artifacts with an equip cost of 3 or less?

@rosecooldude1024

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames 😃

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Okay, I'm still thinking about this. So after having done a VERY quick look, I think we could have it search for an Equip Cost of up to 4, and still probably be okay. 5 is maybe too far as Worldslayer isn't much to play against. But at worst, we'd be assembling original flavour Kaldra with an EC of 4. Unless I've missed something, which is more than likely. Also, searching for something with an equip cost rather than CMC or type may be a bit clunky. I'm not sure. And hopefully now this has satisfied the portion of my brain that has been thinking about this for a day haha!

All of there looks kinda weak compared to the legendary creatures in karlov mansion

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. I haven't looked at the cards for that yet, but I hear the set as whole is kind of busted

I like the captain América fan

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, Blue's okay. He plays a lot of Darksteel Artifacts. Not sure what that says about him

quite interesting. I think I would have Iron Man be a 1/1. Instead of an "enters the battlefield" ability. I would add a triggered ability. Whenever this creature is blocked, blocks or becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may search your library for an equipment card, put it on to the battlefield and attach it to Iron Man. If you do, unattach all other equipment attached to Iron Man. I also have to note, that being able to say, "NO" and be an asshole about it is very much a Tony Stark thing to do, so I would possibly instead create a variant that works well with counter spells. As a Simic player, I did love the Hulk, And I need a better sac outlet. I do feel it is a little sad that you didn't start him out lower in power and include a mechanic for him to become more powerful as he gets angrier. My changes to the Hulk would be like this: 10/10 During your upkeep, you must Sacrifice 2 other nonland-permanents or The Hulk deals his power to you and taps. At the end of each player's turn, if The Hulk was dealt damage this turn add X +1/+1 counters to it where X is the amount of damage The Hulk received. If The Hulk would be put in the graveyard or exile, Or if your opponent controls no creatures, exile The Hulk. During your next upkeep, return him, transformed to the battlefield. I'd love to add, "must attack each turn if able" , and/or maybe an ability like Provoke as well. But I have already created too much, I think. I'm curious what you think. Too restrictive?

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I love your idea for must attack each turn if able on the Hulk. That's a really good fit. I also like the idea of a counter spell focused Iron Man. The flavour is on point there for sure. I'd play your versions of the cards, definitely. What was your favourite of the others? I still think I'd want to rock Black Widow, which surprises me as she's not my favourite Avenger. I think she's just got the cleaniest design

@jj-sc1kq

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I think I like Hawkeye the best. It makes sense that he has limited use for his arrows. And you know that people are going to use proliferate to keep arrow counters on him. (or return to hand effects.) I don't normally play Black. But I could splash some of that into a green deck there.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

It just felt the most right for S.H.I.E.L.D you know? Like, they're spys and work in the shadows so I think they'd all have a little black mana in them

@jj-sc1kq

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I didn't get why you used black mana for it before. but that makes perfect sense. Cheers!

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@jj-sc1kq No worries! :)

Why isnt hawkeye an archer?

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

...you're going to make me want to delete the video

@MASHINEM

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I'm sorry i thought it was like that to get engagement xD

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

Haha, I mean. Yeah. Sure. Of course. 100% totally and honestly my plan. Not lying to cover an obvious mistake at all!

@MASHINEM

6 ай бұрын

​@@RedBobcatGamesOh speaking of archers. Did you know Seton's Scout has 4 creature types? I know this comes out of nowhere but i think that fact is pretty funny. Keep up the good work love your vids

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@MASHINEM Ha! I didn't know that. I genuinely laugh when I just looked it up. Keep up the good comments! haha

Honestly I'm going to bet most of those cards aren't powerful enough for people to be satisfied with Good stuff

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

See, and I was worried they'd be busted. You think it's just the power and toughness, or the mechanics aren't enough?

@jdw159

6 ай бұрын

​@@RedBobcatGamesstats are probably not something I can give the best advice on tbh but I'll give ya a rundown of my thoughts if ya like. Thor: solid. His CMC is 7 so just let him tap after attacking each turn for 3 damage. Perhaps limit it to non player targets cuz commander damage. Halkeye: don't have him tap for the ability. Let him dump em all in one go on one creature if ya have 12 mama. Combat vs him will be a nightmare as he flings them counters and that's sick. Black widow: I love skulk and the death trigger but perhaps she instead of a tap ability when she hits a player you kill a taped creature they control. Now she is sneaky gets in assassinates a target and triggers her own ability getting a further reward like a spy. She probably needs less power now to balance. Tony: ya into play and equiped is ruff. Let's separate it a bit. Have the card be Tony like you did for Bruse. Then when he etb you go get the "iron man sute" from anywhere and attach it to him. The sute has basic abilities letting anyone use it in but Tony says when he is equipped with it he gets XYZ additional stuff. Perhaps too much of a change but still let's ya fetch a equipment and also let's other have a sute whith is something that happens in the storylines. Banner hulk: the transition into hulk is perfect as you can't trigger it yourself. Trample big boy is scary lol. Perhaps make it so if you can't pay he goes back to your command zone instead. Like hulk gets board and leaves to help try and balance the risk reward. Cap: super cool. let the damage ability hit players and/or have it tap creatures. You only get it every other turn and cap can now attack remove a blocker and get threw and that's not too crazy. I know I said don't have thore have player damage but Cap doesn't have haste so it should be fine. Hope that was a fun read :) again good video.

@jdw159

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames o so hulk idea, instead the f him starting out super scary he flips into a trample 8/8. Has the text of hulk would be destroyed by damage instead provent that damage and add 4 +1+1 counters. Then fights he would lose just make him more mad aka stronger and it's still following the theme that got him transferred but now you can also affect it. Plus it's not indestructible so kill spells and board wipes still work.

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@jdw159 I like all your ideas. Especially the Hulk going back to the command zone, and Black Widow combat damage one. Just FYI, you only get Commander damage from combat, so Thor's tap wouldn't matter. But to be honest, that's just even more reason for him to not untap lol. It was fun to read, I appriciated it

Say what you want about universes beyond, but when this marvel magic set comes out, that will be the first time I buy magic cards. Also, Hi!

@revanliviar1239

6 ай бұрын

I bet ppl feel the same way for when the final fantasy one comes out

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

I mean, that's not a bad thing. I just hope new players stick around because (despite my moaning) the story and IP of Magic can be amazing at times. Not so much recently to be fair, but the game play is still good. Also, hi!

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

And do we know what the final fantasy cards are going to be yet? Is it a full set or just a few cards, or decks or what?

@revanliviar1239

6 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Probably 4 precon decks same as with the fallout set and im sure there will be a lot of cards from final fantasy 7

@RedBobcatGames

6 ай бұрын

@@revanliviar1239 Don't forget all the Secret Lair tie ins! And I was personally always a bigger fan of 8. I've been told before I'm mad. I wish they would fix that port of it on Steam already, jeeze

>Multi year NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

@RedBobcatGames

7 күн бұрын

Yup

@RedBobcatGames

7 күн бұрын

Maybe it'll only be Commander Pre-Cons?

@LittleMushroomGuy

6 күн бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames It will be LotR sized most likely

@RedBobcatGames

6 күн бұрын

That's what I'm thinking too

Made iron man have an infinite. Could make a really anoying voltron deck

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

So, busted then?

@clothandleather2838

2 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I am compelled to argue so. Better luck next time

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was aware when designing the cards that whilst trying to keep the power level down, I was probably was missing stuff. I think Iron Man's a good example of that

@clothandleather2838

2 ай бұрын

@RedBobcatGames it's bound to happen to us fake card makers. I would say I have more flops and wins in my catalog

Kinda wish they did this for star wars instead, still a disney property just feels like it fits mtg a litttttle bit more than marvel.

@ItsJustSaito

5 ай бұрын

I also feel like it would just be alot easier to make cards fit colors and still synergize

@RedBobcatGames

5 ай бұрын

@@ItsJustSaito I my first instinct was "Star Wars? But that's Sci Fi, with space and lasers" and then stopped for a moment and thought about Guardians of the Galaxy, and Iron Man's suit. As to your second point, I actually love this idea and think you're right. Those characters are designed more with a sliding scale between two colours, but I think that's a better fit than an IP designed around no colours. Star Wars magic cards could fit within the colour pie much easier than Marvel, you're right