I think Red Bobcat should be represented by a Green card. Because, well, look at him.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

It's the only real reason a card is ever green if you think about it! Haha

Yes please i know I'd personally love to see a follow up to this video going into more specific detail about a star trek themed magic the gathering set

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I suspect I'll add it to the list. I'm planning a lot of varied stuff at the moment. Not sure what video I'll be making week to week at the moment honest. It's fun times

It's Magic, Jim. But not as we know it

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Very good

this set would be another step forward towards the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I'll run 4 copies of "Explosions" in my Good Guys and Bad Guys deck

I think the Strange New Worlds "Faction" Probably would have been the way to go for the last faction in my opinion. It would let you collect all the misc trek leftover aliens. Maybe even the more animal but super iconic aliens like the Mugato.

@deadhobo16

3 ай бұрын

Agreed

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Ahh yes, but have you guys considered though, Andorians?

@r4z0rv1n3

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Yes I considered that Andorians are part of the Federation 😛 lol lol

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

@r4z0rv1n3 A good and valid point, but... Andorians though! Look at them!

@EldritchCutie32

2 ай бұрын

Tribbles tho

Come to think of it, Ferengi are very Golgari, but in the opposite direction of the guild. They have very black ends (ambition, greed, self-promotion) but reach those ends via negotiations (harmony seeking), growth, and natural systems. It's just that their natural systems aren't ecosystems, but economics (the great river). One might also look towards the Rules of Aqusitions as a White tendency, but they look at the rules as natural wisdom and tradition (green) and flexible stepping stones toward success (black). Another strangely green thing about them is that oppose blue in many aspects, down to even being immune to telepathy.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I feel like they have to have red in there though. It just fits to perfectly for a lot of their depictions

@TylerMKimball

3 ай бұрын

​@RedBobcatGames yeah, they definitely have a lot of goblin energy in the chaos and whimsy they bring. My big objection to the Ferengi in red is that they also have this strange traditionalist tendency and beat down noncomformists in the name of social harmony (especially female ferengi like Moogie, who definitely has a red streak in her), and look down on anyone who doesn't have the lobes for business. Quark quite often invokes Ferengi tradition and social harmony against these characters in a way that an individualistic and impulsive society wouldn't abide. And other than that one vengeful TNG guy, Daimon Bok, I think, they don't have that streak of self-endangering fury in them so often seen in red.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

That's all true. I think the Ferengi changed a lot depending on what plot device they served and in what series they appeared. Trek did a good job of fleshing them out though. I think like most well fleshed out characters there's an argument to be made for every colour. Like, the Doctor Who decks for instance. I understand why every doctor wasn't 5 colour, but I really felt like every Doctor should have been 5 colour

I hope they include my favourite character R2D2!

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

He's actually from Farscape

@richardharrison4762

3 ай бұрын

My favourite part of Star Trek is when R2D2 says ‘you’re a wizard Harry’

this would be so great. might have to do two sets to encompass this many shows and characters.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Maybe a commander deck focusing on each major era of the show

I think you've put the factions in about the right colors but I don't think they should actually be the archetypes. For one thing that lets you focus more heavily on the federation, which ought to be more than 10% of the set. For another, it lets you play up exploration, space wildlife, and nurturing your crew to get your greens in more easily. For mechanics, I'd be inclined to do shield counters, explore, charge counters, sagas, and things like proliferate that interact with counters in general. Tap Scotty to move all the charge counters from your warp core to your shield generator. I know they wouldn't do this, but personally I like the idea of representing the ships as artifact planeswalkers. They could even reprint doubling season with tribble art. It'd be an absolute nightmare, but you can't deny it'd be cool. Representing lands as planets and doing secondary lands theme sounds fun to me. I've already said explore with the counters theme, but the Federation should probably have something along the lines of domain, even if they're not actually in every color themselves. Combine that with most factions spread across multiple colors, the inevitable cycle of multi-lands, and the Ferengi pumping out Latinum tokens and we're getting pretty close to a heavy multicolor theme. I'd give the borg the sliver mechanic and a counter that makes other creatures into borg. It'd play interestingly with changelings and counter manipulation.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Borgs as Slivers is a VERY good idea, and the inclusion of Shield Counters should have been so obvious that I face palmed when I read it!

@tomhowell8398

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames How would you feel about copying Doctor Who by doing episode sagas and commander decks with planechase cards?

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's cool as hell! Planechase cards makes too much sense as different planets. Starfleet Academy - Earth. Creatures here gain Training (insert rules text reminder). Roll Chaos = Add a +1/+1 Counter on every creature. Etc etc

I honestly feel forcing EVERY archetype into a 3 color pie because Starfleet fits that mold incredibly easy is limiting to design, especially for factions like The Borg which are by thier nature extremely uniform (I would honestly expect them to be straight one color, maybe two at most). It also led you just slapping green on a lot of groups because they need to have SOMETHING for a third but Trek’s planet of hats approach doesn’t usually result in fully fleshed out and complex cultures to draw ob

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Very true to be honest. But also that slapping green on things started off as me attempting that as you say, but ended up mostly as a joke to see how many factions I could fit green into. It's also the main reason I ended on Andorians haha

Green is so hard to code for in scifi like trek because the setting is inherently opposed to the core principle. The closest you will get are factions that are physically imposing or, on the darker side, focused on genetic engineering. I'd go back over it again because Ferengi and andorians are not physically imposing and the Dominion using genetic engineering for their client races and the Jem'hadar all the time. Swap the dominion and Romulan, is the easiest fix and you gotta drop the Andorians for something else.

@JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles

3 ай бұрын

Green is associated with what we currently think of as primitive and low-tech, because it is the color of those who idealize and want to return to the past, in a sci-fi setting green is likely associated with technology and social structures we today think of as being high tech and modern. The ferengi are a good example actually, from our perspective they're high tech space travelers, but from the federation's they're a society stuck far in the past, still clinging onto an economic and societal model that many other spacefaring societies left behind. The klingon's focus on history and tradition also makes green a very good choice for them, not the fact that they're physically imposing, which all colors can be (dragons, for example, are present in all colors, though blue dragons do tend to be smaller and thinner).

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I mean, if we're looking for physically imposing then I wouldn't mess with an Andorian. They've got those ice pick axe things. Nasty!

@robertoso8796

3 ай бұрын

ii don't know enough about sci fi to opine on that, but IMO all that really matters for an MTG set is that the given theme be consistent and synergizes well enough. unfortunately flavor and world building are not something that we expect as magic players though we eat it up whenever they throw us a bone.

@icholi88

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames But they aren't really known for their physicality like a Klingon or Borg or Jem'hadar. Races that could easily put people over their knee.

@icholi88

3 ай бұрын

@@robertoso8796 The color pie exists for a reason, its best not to design for color breaks because nothing exists in isolation. Always have a general idea of what type of mechanics best explain that flavor and stick to that. This is a fun thought thought experiment but it does require a bit more forethought than "Just look at them". Don't half ass it, whole ass it. The fun is working with constraint.

one of my favorite time-wasting activities, a friend and I were going over how different Dark Souls mechanics could work in magic. one of my favorites is making an Artorias card, something along the line of only being able to equip one equipment but gets a major buf when equipped. Theorycrafting rules

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Hell yeah!

Uhhh I really like the ideas you presented ^^ my thought of rth eborg would've been to give them an artifact theme, bc duh and that would fit perfectly with esper also they always research their opponents analyse their strategy and a borg can enever be defeated twice the same way so that always learning would also make them a good candidate for blue. Would also really loev to see singlular card designs how you#d try to implement it in a balanced way. if it was liek lotr tho, it'd not be standard legal, but modern legal tho, so would have to somewhat fit that powerlevel I assume.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah that's a fair point, I didn't think about the LotR set for long before writting that tbh honest. And I like your Borg artifact theme, you're right that's sort of obvious. Surprised I missed it lol

In betta canon Klingons are actually super good at botony ecology and animal husbandry in part because their home world is very hostile.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Plus they all had Targs on board their ships. You wouldn't see Picard letting a dog run about the bridge!

This was honestly so fantastic it makes me want to send your video to Gavin Verhey at WOTC! Chef's Kiss my man👌

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Ha! Thank you!

I think you’re right to include the Andorians, but I think I would have switched their colors with the Federation’s. The andorians are militaristic and hotheaded, while the federation is prosperous and populous.

@RedBobcatGames

8 күн бұрын

Okay, yeah I can get on board with that. Honestly I literally based the Federation colours off of the Uniforms haha

I like that you gave credit to “some guys” far superior idea before choosing fucking Andorians 😂

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, thank you

that could be a cool set i guess. it probably would make some people happy

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

There are a lot of Trek fans out there, and I think they're in the target age group for Magic tbf

I suppose the player in this case could be considered a Q. Q are old school Planeswalker level of power.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Well that's perfect. Yeah, I love it

@binks5215

Ай бұрын

I'm now imagining a bunch of different "planeswalker" cards, all of which are just named Q but are entirely mechanically different and feature different Q in the artwork. :P Thanks for that hilarious thought.

Holy hell. I sat there all the way through shouting "Where are the Andorians?!?!?!?!"... and then you came through. My favourite race with the coolest ships and... a Shran (which trumps everything). Shran is pleased.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

YES! I AM NOT ALONE!

Well….jokes aside on the whole “cause it’s green”. I say this is more realistic than say Lorcana does Star Wars. I can definitely see all 10 of these factions have a “X matters” mechanic. For instance the Ferengi could have a Treasure matters mechanic or when a creature ETBs you get a Treasure token. I think if to say this was a legit set though. Things might “change”. Still keeping the core of course. I think the nitpick I got would be Borg (my brain thinks Esper/Grixis. But Sultai can work). And God I wish LOTR was standard legal but don’t put it past them to make a UB set standard legal set.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I didn't even stop to think about LotR not being standard legal. My brain went straight from "This is a theme set like LotR" to "This should be Standard Legal" like I think that Marvel set is going to be? (I may be wrong there too). I probably should have referenced that instead if it is though

I like the idea of Ferengi being black, green, blue. Violence seems like a last resort for them and they would much rather connive or use others to do their dirty work for them. Black represents their greed and willingness to do anything. Green I'm actually assigning because I like the idea of a twisted nature. This is my land, except for the right price... Maybe a new keyword, like Barter, could be assigned. You may offer for an opponent to gain control of this permanent as it enters the battlefield. On each upkeep if this is under an opponent's control this permanents owner gets (a treasure, a 1/1 blue creature that can't block, scry 2, draw a card). For particularly good cards you could have a cumulative upkeep to the permanent where the owner gets whatever benefit for each turn it's been under another player's control.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Oh I love that barter idea. That's fantastic!

A set with +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters sounds like a nightmare for limited x3 Also I agree with most of this except the Ferengi not being black? My guy, Rosewater has literally said Black mana is the ideology of capitalism!

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

HE HAS!? You have to link me that! I will devour every word!

There aren't color pie breaks anymore, they've become really big color stretches. I kinda think that's good, though, because it makes a better guideline rather than a rule.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I guess if it means that white can draw cards and green doesn't get every toy then maybe not sticking to the colour pie is good. Not sure exactly how I feel, I'll have to think on it more

This sounds nice in paper. I liked the distribution of the different federations, specally the ones on my favorite color pairs (Jund, Sultai, Temur). You may need more than one set for this block to make this a reality... Too bad WOTC won´t ever bring them back

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Oh man, tell me about it. Every video I feel like I either think "This would be better with 3 set blocks" or I end up saying it somewhere in the comments. Totally agree

Im with you all the way with the colours AND Captain Janeway was definitely the best captain! 😊

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Right?

I will ask the question that is on everyone’s mind. What will be the effect of the card named: Kaaaaaaarn!? I’m guessing something in the power level and cost of Cruel Ultimatum?

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I think you can only play it on a turn one of your creatures has died for added flavour

@richardharrison4762

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames lol! And the Phaser card can either destroy target creatures or put a stun counter on it!

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

@@richardharrison4762 Oh yeah, very good!

I am a bit of a maverick and not a Star Trek fan, but I still waited to the end of the video to come comment. I like the concept, even if I can't understand all the lore you're working with. I don't even like Universes Beyond, but I like the logic and passion on display here making it work. If we have to have Universes Beyond, this is how it ought to be done: passionate fans adapting their thing to the game.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I'd like to agree, but I think it's best I'm not in the room when it happens. Andorians as an Archetype makes no sense haha

@JervisGermane

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Would you be open to talking by direct message on Patreon? I know I'm not a paid member, and can't afford to be, but you and I have a lot to talk about when it comes to game editing.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

You're welcome to message me, but I should warn you that making these videos basically eats up all of my time. I'm not sure how often I'd be able to respond, or how in depth I can be. Even just replying to all of these comments with a sentence or two like I do takes literally hours of time. Hopefully at some point I'll be able to hire an editor or something and that'll take the pressure off... or I'll just end up spending the time saved on making longer videos haha

@JervisGermane

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I understand. That same pressure is why I cut my own channel off after 40 videos. What I was hearing from everyone was that if I really wanted to make a go of it, it was going to take over my whole life, and I wasn't prepared to pay that price.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I am currently paying that price. I do sort of hope the Patreon takes off to make it worth it. It's slow going though, and the KZread Algorithm seems stacked against new creators unless they're making shorts to battle TikTok which doesn't help either

I really love your approach. Though I'd have blue in Borg for control. Lol not sure about the Andorians faction 😂 I think the Q would be a good 5 colour race, like the nephilim from Ravnica

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Oh that's a cool approach, but surely that would make them 5 colour? Maybe we just add them in here anyway if so

@Hyacsho

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames indeed!! Throw them in haha 😅 I love this idea though, this has more legs and effort than most beyond sets right now.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Ha! Thank you!

... I started writing this comment stating that "actually, any theme can be pasted onto Magic the Gathering gameplay, be it Star Trek, gardening or a football match...". But then I started thinking and realized that one of the shortcomings of Magic I think is the focus on combat. Except for fringe alternative win conditions, all creatures attack and defend and you win by killing your opponent. Other card games, such as Dominion or KeyForge actually are better in that specific regard, in that they have cards that build monuments, score influence, trade, increase knowledge etc, that has nothing to do with combat and killing your opponent. If ever I could re-design Magic, I would make it so that winning by combat was only one part of the game, but other ways were possible too, to better diversify game design and creature abilities. I remember having some cards for a Star Trek card game in the 1990's where, if I remember correctly, the aim was to explore planets and overcome its specific obstacles. combat was only a small part of the game. I also remember it was awfully badly balanced and had awful art, and was very expensive, so it had it's shortcomings.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

So there are a few alternative win cons already. My favourite being milling yourself with a Laboratory Maniac. And things like Poison Counters change how the game works (in terms of effectivly remove an opponent's life total from the equation). I could totally see a set working that introduces a new mechanic like "Construction" where the focus is building temples to your god or something, and the first to do it win. Combat would still be in the game, but that would be a lot of fun in fairness!

@MsNosis

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Combat is fundamental to the very core design of MtG, there really is no way around it. Sure, the occasional alternative win condition card here or there, but almost all cards are centered about combat and killing or attacking your opponent one way or another. I think it would require a totally different game to change that. But oh, with all it's greatness, how I also wish that MtG was designed so that instead of winning by beating your opponent down to zero life, you instead won by becoming first to gain 20 prestige (or something). Combat and military might could be one way of getting these points, but exploring the world, building monuments, discovering science, planting flowers, breeding dinosaurs and hosting grand magical festivals with song and dance could also grant you those points. now THAT would open up sooo many possible designs! I like MtG, but find the focus on combat a bit tiresome and very unfortunate, especially as every set more or less always focuses on some kind of conflict, and that conflict is always sorted by fighting. Your video on Star Trek as an MtG set renewed these thoughts of mine.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I totally understand, and I agree. I can imagine a scenario where every creature from a set has 0 power, but instead adds Prestige counters when it ETBs, but that's likely never going to happen

I just subscribed to you, and I like your stuff and psyched to see a fellow Trek enjoyer in this space. Of course... that means my choices would be largely different. I would normally think about EDH, but taking your premise wherein the set is draftable, I'd like to see specific themes first that the factions might lean into or broadly cover. In my mind, these themes track with key elements of both Trek and Trek fandom. My themes would be: - Starships (vehicles) - Build your own fleet, with abilities based on the class of ship. Some of them could have colored pips, but this would mean that you can have some cards that are usable at all stages of the draft to fill in gaps or whatever. - Bridge Crew - Create your own crew - I'd like to see back-up come back in a big way for UFP-aligned creatures but I like most of your ideas for representatives of the other factions. This could be the hardest or most brain dead thing to create. (This also gives you people to crew the ships!) - Diplomacy - You might want a new mechanic to represent this, but I think battles or cases would be a good way to show your crew trying to solve a diplomatic crisis, and then receiving some kind of benefit afterwards! - SNW/Where no one has gone before - Broadly, I think we should see this represented in lands, but you could do this with enchantments (At lower rarity, these should reference different holodeck mishaps) I think that from here, you flesh out the flavor and playstyle of cards in each faction, but I think that trying to build factions (and along 3 colors) would mean that players end up with incomplete sets of cards that all do different things. Now, color identities we can argue for all time, so and so like whatever (EXCEPT that the Borg would be bant if they had a shard!), that can be knocked out in iteration.

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

Okay, so Diplomacy. It's basically the Monarch mechanic, but you don't draw cards and we call it the "Chairman" or something. It has a bunch of cards care about you either "Being the Chariman" or "Engaging in Diplomacy", so it's a good thing to be. The "Chairman" cannot choose to stop having the role, but can choose to give the position to another player, and when they do so they may draw a card. When the "Chairman" position changes, this is called "Diplomacy" and both players have any effects that care about Diplomacy trigger. However, the Chairman can only give away the role at Sorcery speed, and to a player that is willing. If unwilling the "Chairman" may still give the away the position to that player if the action wins the majority of a group vote (however, they do not get to draw the card in this instance) Thoughts?

@RronKarahoda

2 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I think you're onto something with the idea being something with choice and with players having effects that care about diplomacy! The chairman doesn't feel particularly trek (though it'd be a sick name for a Ravnica set effect!) Maybe rather than making it like the monarch, it should be more like voting! Each player involved in a negotiate spell chooses between some choices and receives some reward. This way, it's easier to track, and you've got a little hug theme going. The key is your idea, though, where the true benefit is in amassing effects that either care about negotiating or about some particular effect that consistently appears as a negotiation benefit (counters, life, whatever). I could see the UFP really fitting with this group-hug like playstyle (I'm thinking of the root beer float scene here). What do you make of this idea?

@RronKarahoda

2 ай бұрын

To add to this, this is where some of the factions identities could be signposted - Andorians for example (which could have menace or something) might gain exalted for the turn, or you get an artifact that reduces boasting costs by {1} (for your Klingon idea)

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

I'm a big fan. I wasn't sure if I'd do a follow up video to this talking potential set mechanics, but you've given me something to think about and got my brain going over it now so perhaps when I get a chance I will. Thank you for the comments!

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

If I make the video, and if i use any of your suggestions would you be okay with crediting you and showing your comment on screen?

As a casual fan of star trek your choices were pretty good however i'd have probably swapped the Klingon Empire with the terran empire why not represent the planet earth with green 😂

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

That would have given us a bit more consistency with the "Training" mechanic cards aswell, because I think they were in Green too. Plus, Kirk wore green so, it fits!

Dude, you almost gave me a heart attack. lol I was an old school CCG player back in the day when we'd have rivalries. ("Oh look at the sissy trek player!" "Oh look at the magic player, can't count above 20!" etc) Trek going into MTG would be like giving up the fight! XD BTW: 1st and 2nd edition, still going on by players. www.trekcc.org/

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Haha, sorry. It's why "This isn't real, I made it up!" was the first thing I needed to add!

Ideas for additional mechanics: Space Sectors: Space Beleren’s Space Sculpture mechanic, using Star Trek space sectors such as Galactic Quadrants and the Neutral Zone. Strange New Worlds Plane Chase: The Doctor Who cards got to travel through space and time to different planets, only fair the Enterprise does as well. 5 Year Mission: The bounty cards from Thunder Junction. The Federation use diplomacy and broker alliances as well as all the fun action. Missions such as Form a Peace Treaty - gain 10 life. Will have players following orders from their central command. Teleportation: Even normines know the often misquoted ‘Beam me up Scotty’ a simple blink or phase out effect would suffice but since it’s such a staple of the shows I am sure that we can do better…. Not sure what that would look like other than to move a creature to an opponent’s side of the board for some reason, or tie in with the Space Sector idea above.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Maybe for beaming up it just flickers them? So ETB's trigger again, and they go from being tapped to untapped?

@richardharrison4762

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I mean it’s a given that there would be a card called Beam Me Up that flickers. Just thought because it was such an iconic element to the show that we could work it into a new mechanic. You see when they teleport they move from one location to the other and it doesn’t fit ‘in universe’ for a crew member to beam out then beam straight back again! … hmmm… off top of my head if there was a commander precon you could do a take on the commander been able to beam in and out of the command zone? Or some kind of take on Rush or Flash to represent beaming down

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

@@richardharrison4762 Would Phasing fit you think?

@richardharrison4762

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Well yeah but … ok Kirk on the bridge of the Enterprise is different to Kirk fighting the Gorn. So maybe like the Day / Night mechanic that acts as a way for creatures to be in one form or another, Kirk can be teleported from a Starship Zone to the Strange New World zone and would have different abilities based on that. I know that I am over thinking this and just have Beam Me Up flicker, bounce or phase out will be an easy way to do it. Just with cards that can be given to or taken from your opponent, and even going on an adventure … I just feel that there is something there that can represent the exciting moments when antagonists beam aboard a ship by moving the card… somewhere … other than just to your hand and back.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

@@richardharrison4762 Nah, you have some juice here. I don't think you're over thinking. Or at least no more than I am. Do double faced cards, with the front representing the crew on the ship and the back planet side. And then introduce "Beam" or "Transporter" as a mechanic, and that's how you flip them. You could also do cards like "Planet Side Explosion" or whatever that destroy all creatures that are current "Planet Side"

i agree Andorians are really cool, but are they not already in the federation?

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

Good point, but have you considered how cool they are though?

I feel rule 5 should be more "relax the color pie rule" so its still some guild line but not full on must fight. As for the choices of the faction and colors. I am not a treky, so limited knowledge. I do like most of the choices like WUR being the United Federation. I think the colors fits and its a color combo I personally like. I think it be cool to expand on its themes of cooperation and more good nature. I will say that during the video some of the choices felt off to me, but not sure why. Alot of it probably around "why does this include green". That said even if i felt some of the grounds were shaky i still rather enjoy the video and hearing the different races. I have a lose memory of the Ferengi. Part me wonders if maybe not going with a strict 3 color wedge and more doing like 5 color United federation, and doing different color pairs and wedges could make a better flavor. mostly because the United federation being all 5 colors makes too much sense. Also if the desire to expand on this, I think i love to see it. Maybe like a mechanic for each factor or even more bold, a mechanic for each color that each faction uses in its own way to boaster its flavor (that be really hard but i think it could hit some flavor wins). Also maybe a mock up of a custom card or 2 could really push the idea (though it be alot of work for a video (though reading all the 100 printing was also alot of work)). Thanks for making the video and it made my day a little more enjoyable.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Well you're more than welcome. I could always reuse the template I mocked up when I made my own Avengers cards, so that would be a bit less work for me. I really like the angle of focusing on a unique new mechanic for each colour combo. That would be a lot of fun, though maybe not the most visually interesting video as it would just be me thinking out loud and then displaying (probably mispelled) rules text haha

The Borg not being White Black and BLUE is baffling

@RedBobcatGames

8 күн бұрын

Yeah, but I had to get that joke in there about everything being Green, you know?

@IamMullet

8 күн бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames Respect for sticking to the bit 😔✊

@RedBobcatGames

8 күн бұрын

Haha, thank you

Im so burnt out on magic and the path they're taking, but i cant deny id instantly buy a deep space nine commander deck even if just like the lord of the rings decks i bought, id never play em

@RedBobcatGames

4 күн бұрын

I was thinking something similar today about Red Dwarf cards. Would I bite? Well, like those Monty Python cards I'd probably never beat the scalpers so I guess it doesn't matter

@brandnamepending4817

4 күн бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames i think i just have to remain confident that most of the wierd media i love too much to be healthy is too nieche for the mass appeal Magic is looking for right now. And thank god because my wallet could not handle a Thunderbolt Fantasy set

@RedBobcatGames

3 күн бұрын

Haha, fair

Can you do another video for another universe like Star Wars or... Updated Warhammer 40k or Warhammer Fantasy? It's 1Am and I can't think of other universes haha

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I feel like Star Wars is going to be done sooner rather than later, because they're already working with Disney on Marvel sets next year. But yeah, I'll add them to my list of video ideas. Have you seen the video I did speculating on the Marvel set and designing my own Avengers cards? Also, it's not quite the same but I did a vid making Pokémon cards playable in Magic too if that's your jam

@Hyacsho

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames oooo!!! I've not seen these. I seem to have only just begun to delve into the Bobcatverse!

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, check em out. That Pokémon one especially was a bunch of work

But the andorans are in the federation.... but then again the cardassians are in the dominion. Honesty, i think the vulcans should take the andorans place because.... they have a bit of an independant edge to them, what with being the senior space traveling race in the federation. That and the slavish devotion to reason. Plus they are more popular

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

True, true. But have you considered this though. Andorians are cool?

You assume competency and respect for the IP from the designers. Have either Hasbro or CBS proven to be good stewards?

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Sadly, very true. Though WotC are pretty good with Universes Beyond it seems. They certainly put more care into those than their own sets it appears

Please no. I love Star Trek and I love MTG but the flavours don't match. I love Thai Tom Yum and I love vanilla ice cream. You won't see me putting it in my boiling tom yum cauldron. I love Dr Who but that's what it felt like to me.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

I actually agree. ALTHOUGH I do like Ice Creams with weird flavours, and I would totally eat some made to taste like various Thai foods. I'd be on board

General shran is gods gift to man

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

See everyone else in the comments? I'm not alone in my love for Shran!

@JaketheEmpoleon

Ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames heck yeah babyyyy

Andorians are members of the Federation. You should probably have gone with the races from the Delta Quadrant or Gamma Quadrant. Which ever the Voyager was stuck in. I never liked Voyager so I didn't watch much of it.

@troytheman666

Ай бұрын

Also, Vulcans and Romulans would end up being errated to elves, even though Vulcans are mostly blue. I also don't see red as a federation color based on the color pie, but forget the color pie. I see members of the Federation slashing into green. Kaiko O'Brien being a good example of this, since she is a botanist. Then you got Section 31, who I think would be black. But you are mostly correct in your assessment.

@RedBobcatGames

Ай бұрын

I liked Voyager. Janeway whilst written inconsistently was my favourite captain. I wish they'd have the follow through to change the ship each episode reflecting their journey and focus more on a long running narrative, but they did what they could with their budget I suppose

Damit jim im a doctor not a Planeswalker

@RedBobcatGames

2 ай бұрын

YES! Love it

Caitians where is the love cats are an easy tribe card come on

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Yup, I do love me a Caitian!

would

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Right? I can see it happening too

I don't honestly understand the point of doing a speculative mtg design thing while also throwing out the color pie. I could understand going more off of mechanical identity and giving, like, a very progressive faction green because they have big creatures, but throwing it out almost entirely and just going "eh, a lot of their lighting is green, green" is like... what's.. the point? And you did so well for most of it too, jeskai is exactly how we see the federation (though it may be biased towards red by red aligned captains like Kirk and Picard), Klingons are exactly naya, you could make a pretty decent argument that the romulan empire is sultai, being in opposition to the change the Vulcans represent. Black and white fit the borg well enough, I can't really see them having both black _and_ green though, i'd either emphasize that they're "doing the right thing" in their own view, and bringing all species together in communion and make them bant, or i'd emphasize their selfish expansionism and make them esper. It pains me to see a faction so built around "progressing" all other life not include blue, but I also can't be too mad that they're abzan, as abzan is characterized by a strong in-group-out-group mentality. The ferengi..... The ferengi not including black is a Problem (capitalization intentional). Green could fit for a faction that's characterized as being stuck in the past, blue fits decently well, red is an alright choice for the space libertarians.... I think grixis would be my choice but I could buy jund, temur is...... close enough to those two. Just stopping there, like, you can see how good your color pie choices were already. It goes downhill towards the end, but i think with a little more thought and work (and maybe worrying a little less about filling out all 10 3-color groups, not every set is completely symmetric across color archetypes) you could have made something that fit very well in the color pie, and you seem to have wanted to? You justify a lot of your color choices with color-philosophy reasons, if you really cared about rule 5 you would have just rolled dice for each faction's colors (like wizards does now lol). It seems like you originally set out to make the color factions fit with their colors flavorfully and weren't super happy with some of the decisions you made so made rule 5 retroactively to justify it. Don't do that man, have confidence, you did well for most of this.

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

Well thank you very much! So, to part the curtain a bit. I did in fact start out sticking to the colour pie, but then (as often happens with a lot of my videos) I thought it would be really funny to reference that Next Gen Andorian as being the reason for them having Green, and it sort of spiralled from there haha. What you see is not a lack of confidence or planning, but dedication to a bit that REALLY wasn't worth it, but made me laugh as I was putting it in. Plus, you know ultimately this is meant to be a bit of fun and a thought exercise, which is why I really enjoyed reading your comment and thoughts. Thank you!

@JuniperHatesTwitterlikeHandles

3 ай бұрын

@@RedBobcatGames I would not have expected that, but now that i know that's _very_ funny

@RedBobcatGames

3 ай бұрын

The more I thought about it the more I kept seeing Green. The Borg, the Klingons, The Romulans, The Orions. I was like "Well, okay all of this has to feature in the video now"