The Incoming Disaster of Assassin's Creed Universes Beyond. With Special Guest Matthew Stogdon

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00:00 Introduction
00:38 "Hello?"
01:24 Assassin's Creed the movie
03:06 Relationship with Assassin's Creed?
04:22 Still playing the games?
06:05 WotC / Ubisoft comparison
06:28 Assassin's Creed products you purchase?
08:16 Experience with Magic: the Gathering?
09:02 Advertising of this crossover?
10:04 "The truth of it"
10:54 Looking at spoiled cards
11:55 Historical figures in Magic
13:46 An attempt to explain "A set not deisgned for draft"
16:04 Reskinned sword
17:54 Past Assassin's Creed tie-ins
19:11 Play a game of "Guess the price!t"
19:40 Forgetting there's no MSRP. Whoops!
19:42 The Starter Kit
21:17 The Beyond Booster Box
23:47 Who buys Booster Boxes?
24:23 The Bundle
25:07 Tempted to buy these?
26:08 The Collector Booster
26:51 The Collector Booster Box
27:57 The crux of the matter
30:04 Tempted by the starter kit?
30:55 The final question
34:20 Outro
35:05 Pareon Credits

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  • @onlyonfox
    @onlyonfox24 күн бұрын

    If you like the arts of the cards to have on you wall you could maybe buy them from the artists. Because sometimes it really feels like that is the only valuable thing on magic cards anymore.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    24 күн бұрын

    Good point, I fully agree. Support our artists!

  • @GameMageVideos
    @GameMageVideos3 ай бұрын

    You should've also given him the conext that a standard mtg pack not only costs less, but has like double the amount of cards, and is actually legal in every format

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, you're not wrong. But also I'm honestly not sure he'd be interested in Magic at all if it weren't for Assassin's Creed. Which frankly makes him the perfect guest for the questions I wanted to ask

  • @Vok250
    @Vok2503 ай бұрын

    As an AC fan, the cards are absolutely dope. As an MTG fan though, epilogue boosters can go fuck themselves.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    PREACH!

  • @Vok250
    @Vok2503 ай бұрын

    What's interesting here is that it's the price keeping a potential player away. Only MTG stans are gonna pay these ludicrous prices.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    True. Which is a shame because I suspect Wizard's might know that, meaning I bet some of the cards are busted powerful to drawn people in. I won't be surprised if there are a few format warping bombs in there

  • @lucasnoordenbos9298
    @lucasnoordenbos92983 ай бұрын

    As someone who has experienced Universes Beyond pulling people into MtG, I do want to say the following: What pulls people further into MtG (in my experience) after buying a Universes Beyond of their favourite product is not then buying booster boxes but it's looking for cards outside of Universes Beyond to put in their Universes Beyond decks. Someone buys a Doctor Who deck in the store and finds people to play with, who then in turn recommend cards to them to put in their decks. And then possibilities open up like what other decks are out there? To be fair, I think the Commander format really makes this go a lot faster because the interaction you get with 3 other established MtG players and their fun decks helps there. Not sure why they didn't release EDH decks with this when they do with everything else.

  • @lucasnoordenbos9298

    @lucasnoordenbos9298

    3 ай бұрын

    Oh and also they have to be lucky to have a fun and friendly local game store, but I think that a majority of us established MtG players wouldn't be MtG players if we didn't have that either.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    To be fair that's an angle I've never considered. But I think you're right. Having a 4 man game means extra chances to talk about the game and create a more communal environment. That's probably why WotC goes so hard on keeping Commander players happy. They're better than most marketing. Huh

  • @peterrodriguez5129

    @peterrodriguez5129

    25 күн бұрын

    i can see where you're coming from, but during my experience entering into MtG i found the singleton 100 card format very overwhelming, trying to read every card and having drastically different experiences everytime i played the deck made me steer clear of that format til later in my MtG career.

  • @collardcow4183
    @collardcow41833 ай бұрын

    As maybe one of the biggest mtg fans out there, I can confirm that regardless of if the cards and set are cool, I’m not cashing in for a PlayStation/xbox just on account of my liking that card one time. Which means inversely, no assassin’s creed fans are going to see those characters in mtg and cash in for all the cards they’d need in order to make themselves competitive (or even for cards to go with the creed cards in a casual setting). Overall, it’s just another example of WotC wasting cool card design and artwork on products meant to alienate players and onlookers alike

  • @Wizley15

    @Wizley15

    3 ай бұрын

    I think enough people will buy the cards to make it worth it for Wizards. I’m not pleased with it personally, but my coworker is actually planning on getting into Magic because of the Assassins Creed stuff specifically

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @Wizley15 See now that is cool to hear. I just wish the prices were less harsh for newbies

  • @mountainghoti1671

    @mountainghoti1671

    3 ай бұрын

    WotC has done the math on these UB IPs. They think they'll make just enough to do it again, and again. But this math doesn't work out for us, and it might just hit back, finally.

  • @Jomacomi

    @Jomacomi

    3 ай бұрын

    idk, one of my friends who isn’t chronically online saw that it was gonna come out and thought it was really cool

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Jomacomi Will they buy any though? I imagine the price is going to put a lot of people off

  • @Big_Dai
    @Big_Dai3 ай бұрын

    I'm a big Kamigawa fan! Enough to reluctantly purchase a singleton collection of Neon Dynasty. But these new inclusions in weird places, and crappy continuation of the original story (and general poor story telling) makes it all not worth it. I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on this new multiverse crossover that is Thunder Junction.. with a "Lost Jitte" inclusion, and Ninja Satoru joining the cowboys. There's something to it, that just feels manipulative.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    You're going to have to wait. But not long. It's literally next week (although in fairness I don't mention the Jitte specifically, but do talk at length about cards in the same vein)

  • @CatManThree

    @CatManThree

    3 ай бұрын

    Theyre about to do the same shit to Lorwyn. Maro always describes the upcoming Lorwyn set as using Neon Dynasty as a framework due to that set's supposed success. Lorwyn block was some of the worst selling sets of all time despite how unbelievably innovative it was and how incredible the artwork, story, and premise were from the block. This was largely due to the recession, but I doubt Maro sees it that way given his comparing it to the similarly low selling kamigawa block. (Edit: grammar)

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@CatManThree Oh boy. I bet it's all just generic digital artwork like we see from every set now too. That's going to be rough

  • @CatManThree

    @CatManThree

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames Generic? Im not sure what you mean but I dont think that is the real issue here. The issue is more how they will probably address the "problems" with the plane. Such as the "problem" of the plane not having any humans on it, a problem that can be easily "fixed" via the omen paths. Whenever the topic comes up Maro always brings up how the original block preformed terribly, and tends to mention how Neon Dynasty will be the framework for how to return to the plane. Kamigawa block was similarly a horrendously low selling set for a number of reasons, and neon kamigawa was significantly more successful. Granted, maro goes on about how Neon Kamigawa preformed well specifically because of them harnessing nostalgia for the plane sometimes, so theres always a chance they wont alter the plane too significantly.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@CatManThree What I meant was that the Lorwyn block had some of the most beautiful and unique artwork from any set in the entire game (in my opinion). Since the move to more digital art being used on cards, the art style between planes has become more fixed. Outside of whether a featured character is wearing a cowboy hat or a trilby, the actual art design from one set to the next is very similar and it's hard to tell modern planes apart just by looking at a creature or character's design. Lorwyn didn't have that issue, as it was so unique. What I was saying was, I worry a return to the plane will mean that unique art style will need to be sacrificed. I also share your concerns about the lore of the plane being messed up too

  • @ich3730
    @ich3730Ай бұрын

    12:05 Three kingdoms also depicts heavily novelized figures from history. If kleopatra from assassins creed counts as "a real person" then Lu Bu also counts, we had "real people" in magic for over 2 decades.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    Ай бұрын

    Oh yeah, for sure like I said there's some on older cards. Magic sort of moved away from that though, and started to rebrand a lot of it's real world places and peopel into fictional ones. I personally think that was for the best, so for me seeing them go back to doing it in Assassin's Creed is just a bit... odd

  • @ethantownsend2233
    @ethantownsend22333 ай бұрын

    I have a feeling this product is going to be for people who want to stay competitive in modern more than anything else :/ Love the cut to black at the end!

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Haha, thank you. And yeah, you're probably right. Just another excuse to squeeze money out of Modern players

  • @retektereptest

    @retektereptest

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames Man I keep forgetting this set is modern legal. The idea that you might just have to run some variant of ezio in your deck because it's just that good of a fit feels bleak.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@retektereptest I hope they make a Universes Within of these cards, but I doubt they will

  • @TheEpicChicken
    @TheEpicChicken3 ай бұрын

    As a fan of AC and MtG, I can safely say I won't be buying this product. If I were, it would probably be a "collect 'em all" type deal. But even that is nearly impossible what with the million different art/foiling printing for half the cards.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    See the venn diagram that mentions "rich"

  • @PhoenicopterusR
    @PhoenicopterusR3 ай бұрын

    I think this product is for me, so I can say to my friend "hey they made another set from a series you love!" And they can say back "that's crazy haha. I'm still not going to play magic."

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Haha, fair. What was the first set?

  • @PhoenicopterusR

    @PhoenicopterusR

    3 ай бұрын

    @RedBobcatGames Doctor Who was the first set. If we want to count Secret Lairs, it was technically the Princess Bride secret lair. Now I'm just waiting for the (not strixhaven) Harry Potter set and a lorcana x MtG crossover.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@PhoenicopterusR See a year ago I would have said they wouldn't want to do Harry Potter because they wouldn't want to work with Rowling. But they've just partnered with Ubisoft so what do I know?

  • @PhoenicopterusR

    @PhoenicopterusR

    3 ай бұрын

    @RedBobcatGames they both have experience making controversial changes to their product and doubling down on it, much to the chagrin of their fan base. Honestly, a match made in heaven. They also both released a product that was good on paper but, in reality, was poorly implemented and too small in scale. Maybe that's reaching a bit too much, though.

  • @callumbyrne4263
    @callumbyrne42633 ай бұрын

    So much juicy bobcat lore in this one. What are rent prices like on the moon? Has the cost of greed crisis hit you up there as well?

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm not allowed to pay rent up here

  • @callumbyrne4263

    @callumbyrne4263

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames Luxury space Communism confirmed?

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Haha... yeah... luxury...

  • @callumbyrne4263

    @callumbyrne4263

    3 ай бұрын

    What an ominous reply

  • @johndoriansmith
    @johndoriansmith3 ай бұрын

    Dude you brought in an expert, that's awesome.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Right? He blew me away with how much he knew haha

  • @GinnyFan765
    @GinnyFan76522 күн бұрын

    The hidden blade in the promo being between the wrong fingers did bother me, until I realized: the fingers and blade position are similar to the Magic logo.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    21 күн бұрын

    Ohhhh, I didn't spot that

  • @ffenoelfa8053
    @ffenoelfa80533 ай бұрын

    The last question was for me with LOtR I loved the set so much I’ve now spend well more then I can admit on this new hobby 😅

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Do you buy singles? It's not much cheaper, but you're guarenteed the cards you actually want at least

  • @lum26akua28

    @lum26akua28

    3 ай бұрын

    Buy proxies!

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@lum26akua28 That too

  • @Hyacsho
    @Hyacsho3 ай бұрын

    Finally, a podcast that is interesting and doesn't put me to sleep. Looking forward to the next one

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Honestly might be a while before I put out another one this long. I suspect the next time I have another guest on. But make sure to check out The Sequelisers though for Matt's podcast. It's good stuff

  • @Hyacsho

    @Hyacsho

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames oh I thought the length was great. Here I sit, organising my cards, perfect timeline for me. But overall, great pace and voice. 🙌

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Well thank you very much. I'm glad you enjoyed

  • @Doombot2point0
    @Doombot2point03 ай бұрын

    We will see how the non-draftable boosters go. I think the argument is that they don't have to design with limited balance in mind so in theory the cards can be a bit more pushed/unhinged in a sense, but they don't seem to have too many issues releasing uber powerful cards in draft sets either. I'm not too sure taking away the draftability of this set is really worth the potential upside, especially when that doesn't make the packs any cheaper (you'd think less effort spent on balancing for draft would mean less money spent in R&D and therefore cheaper prices...). Besides, I would imagine drafting around Assasin's Creed could be really fun from a flavor perspective as you are all assassins trying to take each other out or something. They could've done something similar to conspiracy where they added some unique draft mechanic as well, but again, I think sets like these are mainly for the whales/collectors and for people needing the latest and greatest pushed card design to compete in....Modern? Without WotC supporting paper events very well, does anyone even care anymore? I haven't seen hype around pro tour magic in ages.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I suspect the lack of draftability is due to cost cutting measures. If the sets don't have to be drafted, they don't need to contain as many cards. I honestly I think that's all there is to it. Just charging more for less

  • @baelsalmongaming

    @baelsalmongaming

    15 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I think the issue with this is largely that no matter how good the cards are because of the limited number of cards, like with Aftermath, people will be pulling the same cards too often. The very good cards will be chase rares, just like in Aftermath. I believe Aftermath was 230 cards and AC is going to be around 100. I think if this idea were to succeed there would need to be more product, whether incorporating more reprints or new cards to make opening packs feel more interesting than looking at largely the same 10 cards repetitively.

  • @heyheyalaska
    @heyheyalaska3 ай бұрын

    It's for me, and me alone.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Fair enough. I'll let everyone know

  • @sebastiandian
    @sebastiandian3 ай бұрын

    This is mostly for Non-MTG Assasins Creed Fans (And Yuriko Enjoyers). Here in Uruguay we are waiting for this to release ! (And the Final Fantasy one)

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I suspect you're right. And hello to Uruguay! I hope you enjoy it when it comes out!

  • @justinw4447
    @justinw44473 ай бұрын

    I have watched some of your videos before when it was recommended by YT but I forgot to sub and when it suggested another video of yours again, I made sure to do so. All I can say is all the points you both talked about are spot on. I started playing / spending on MTG fully back in Odyssey. I miss those times when MTG was very focused solely on their main sets. I know they are just trying to make more money by going this venture and it's inevitable. But I sure wish they would tone it down a bit.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    It's always funny to me when I hear them talk about how they want to focus on Standard, and then put a bunch of chase cards for Commander in their main sets. I think you're right, it's all about the money

  • @GaybrohamStinkton
    @GaybrohamStinkton18 күн бұрын

    Cheapiliser is down to 3 hosts now? Did they even rip into Arsehens 2 the Quest for Failure?

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    "Arsehens" is funny, but I think "Cheapiliser" needs work

  • @TheLordRumfish
    @TheLordRumfish3 ай бұрын

    I did a video on the beyond booster and small set size comparing it with Fallen Empires and Homelands. Oddly enough, if the set crashes and burns I will probably buy it as a novelty at a great discount.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I've had a similar idea, but I doubt it will because I don't think it's getting a reprint or Universes Within version

  • @oscarguzman3017
    @oscarguzman30173 ай бұрын

    Haystack seems busted, as well as the coolest assassin's creed representation, and would not be too much of a sore thumb if you see it in the wild. At least that card alone is a win. And it's uncommon!

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Something about Haystack puts me off due to it just literally being a haystack. But I'm fine with cards like Broken Glass, so I think this is just my bias showing haha. Card looks fun to play with though. Maybe I just need to play Assassin's Creed to get it

  • @oscarguzman3017

    @oscarguzman3017

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I've also never played it, but in the game, you can survive falling from any height if you land in hay.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Who's need a parachute, when a backpack full of hay will do?

  • @oscarguzman3017

    @oscarguzman3017

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames precisely

  • @calvineagar1863
    @calvineagar18632 ай бұрын

    I was most looking forward to it just for the concept of making custom sets of other properties on my own with more cards than a secret lair but less cards than an actual draftable set, and seeing how the 100 card distribution worked.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    2 ай бұрын

    Will you try and collect one of each? Or just buy a box and build from what you get?

  • @calvineagar1863

    @calvineagar1863

    2 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I haven't ever played Assassins' creed, so I wasn't planning on buying it, and It's also ridonkulously expensive even for Magic. I love Magic because of its design and structure being able to represent lots of different ideas, so I was really excited to see how the set itself was constructed so I could create my own cards using it as a framework. If I had a property I wanted to make custom cards for, like the Owl House, that was too small for a full set/commander decks or too big for a few secret lairs, I was hoping this would be a good framework to build a set of card for that properties stuff. I know some people think custom cards are cringe, and most are, but I see the value in it.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    2 ай бұрын

    Hey man, I have whole videos designing custom cards. I love it. My next video is talking about what a Star Trek Universes beyond might look like. I think it's cool as hell if you're making them to actually play with. Rock on

  • @calvineagar1863

    @calvineagar1863

    2 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames noice! I'll look through the rest of your channel then, just found it and I really appreciate your dedicated perspective

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you very much!

  • @GothMoth__
    @GothMoth__17 күн бұрын

    It's made for me, so I can tell my friends "Dude, you can put Ezio Auditore in your deck."

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    17 күн бұрын

    Haha, fair

  • @Doombot2point0
    @Doombot2point03 ай бұрын

    The problem I see is WotC can only extend their greed so far before things start falling apart. They will always have the whales supporting their endeavors unfortunately, but a majority of the player base only has so much money to spend on Magic product. Once WotC overextends and people stop buying a majority of the product, surely that will blow up in WotC's face right? I guess it becomes a question of when and not if. Never thought I'd be missing the days of getting one new set every 3ish months and that was about it. Maybe a commander release once a year and some other supplementary product like FTV or something. Things were so much simpler and cheaper lol

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I mean to be honest, I look at Serialized cards and Collector boosters and I feel we're already there

  • @arturgottselig1070
    @arturgottselig10703 ай бұрын

    There are serialized cards in the collector box so i think they will be bought without any problem to be honest even without serialized cards they were selling good.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I suspect you're probably right there. But those prices though...

  • @XmortoxX1990
    @XmortoxX19903 ай бұрын

    Yeah, it looks like shit, but my brother is such an AC fanboy, he's may buy some packs. He's also a Dimir player and loves Rogue/Assassins creatures, so that's another point for him.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    That starter kit seems like a good deal tbh. I suspect he could make use of that at the very least

  • @RpRm
    @RpRmАй бұрын

    Just a heads-up: There were also historical figures used on old Magic cards, I don't play for long enough to know this stuff, but as I came upon the card of Sun Quan, Lord of Wu, I suspect there may be more. Sun Quan was a real person, founder of Wu and Wu was one of the three dynasties that would inherit China after the fall of the Han and later fight in the Romance of the three Kingdoms. Of course parts of it aren't nessecarily based on reality, but in general the stuff happened and chances are good a person corresponding to Sun Quan existed. Edit: Just looked up the Portal Three Kingdoms expansion and it's pretty much 3rd century China printed on shiny cardboard. lol

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    Ай бұрын

    Oh no I'm aware, like I said though they haven't printed anything like that (as far as I'm aware) in a long long time. The closest we get is printing the winners of tournaments on cards, but even then they're supposed to be in universe versions of the person who won

  • @CeleTheRef
    @CeleTheRef23 күн бұрын

    Suddenly this video became an episode of The Price Is Right 😁

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    21 күн бұрын

    I should have had music made for this one too haha

  • @kevinxiao8400
    @kevinxiao84003 ай бұрын

    Bro im a die hard fan of both AC and MtG. Armored Core of course (i need upgrades to my vehicle voltron deck ;o;)

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    So YOU'RE the one I made then venn diagram about. I do think the cards look fun. I was going to go into Mechanics a bit in the vid but when he said he didn't play I decided against it

  • @metalplaysgames
    @metalplaysgames3 ай бұрын

    i was extremely excited about this as a magic fan and assassins creed fan till i saw the price and it scream predatory. i decide to wait and watch prices in hopes they tank like aftermath but there are the hot reprints so it may not tank so badly

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, at least the Starter Kit looks okay. My concern is that will be under prinetd and sell out everywhere

  • @metalplaysgames

    @metalplaysgames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames the collectors boxes for sure but the regular will be print to demand and reprint if needed as long as it sells

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@metalplaysgames Is that confirmed? I was of the understanding that with licenses from other IPs there were contract restrictions around how much they could print / reprint

  • @metalplaysgames

    @metalplaysgames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames the commander decks for Warhammer have been printed at least 3 times from what I've heard. The collector boxes are 1 and done due to sterilizatied cards. UB sets are meant to bring in new player to magic it would be bad for business if people can't get some version of the characters they want to play. Lotr prices have been stable for regular boxes the only way thats possible is more product

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@metalplaysgames Well, they reprinted a bunch of LotR boxes that had originally contained serialized cards just without them if I remember rightly. But yeah, I'm honestly not sure what the deal they have with other companies. We have a final fantasy set coming soon, and Square are famously very protective of their IP. It took years just to get extra characters and music into Smash for instance.

  • @mawillix2018
    @mawillix20183 ай бұрын

    I'm not a huge mtg fan, but I do like Assassin's Creed and unfortunately I play also play Commander, my main deck being built around the theme of Assassins. I absolutely hate how well targeted this product is. With a normal pack of cards, there's only a very low chance of finding a card I'm looking for. I opened some packs for Etrata, The Silencer back in like 2018. I have friends who will want to get me something small for my birthday, and this fits the bill. Also some who I gave a real gift to can get away with giving me a beyond booster box instead of a single pack.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Buy singles. It's always the way to go. I just hope that the print runs are high to helpfully keep the cost on the secondary market low

  • @agoodname6997
    @agoodname699723 күн бұрын

    As someone who started playing assassins creed and then started playing magic, I love this set and I've been waiting for something like this for a while. I love how the cards are designed and really love my dimir assassin deck. I am 100% buying alot of this and I'm definitely gonna be broke after this set.

  • @agoodname6997

    @agoodname6997

    23 күн бұрын

    I will say, I never got the point of collectors boosters in the first place and I'd probably just buy individual packs or the bundles.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    23 күн бұрын

    Yeah, I think the price and contents of these "beyond boosters" is going to be a concern. I guess we'll see

  • @notabene9804
    @notabene98043 ай бұрын

    The first five minutes of this (which I appreciate, and I hope others do) are a good reminder of why these games stuck. They were never really great, but what they were doing was, and remains, a really cool concept if ground down a bit. (Edit) Remembered my point; sure hope that doesn't happen to MtG.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Like I said in the vid. I see a lot of parallels between these two brands

  • @Molker
    @Molker9 күн бұрын

    Well, this set got shroud into MTG, and that, by proxy also got a bunch of other people that watch the stream regularly

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    9 күн бұрын

    Will they stick around though? Time will tell

  • @Molker

    @Molker

    8 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I got in through LOTR, and stayed for the gameplay, older sets and cool card art, so I think there is plenty for new players to stick around with the right nudge

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    8 күн бұрын

    @@Molker Well that's something. I hope so. And I hope you're having a good time with it. I do love this game.

  • @sportyeight7769
    @sportyeight7769Ай бұрын

    Why the hidden blade art for the cross over dépicts the blade in-between the index and middle finger, when it is a know fact that assassin cute their ring finger for the blade to passe more easly... but the blade in the art doesn't take that path at all, so what's the point ?

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    Ай бұрын

    Money. Money is the point

  • @nasayatcg
    @nasayatcg3 ай бұрын

    My brother likes MTG, but he has kids. Once he amassed a decent sized collection and a few commander decks, he pretty much stopped buying new releases. He said he's buying into Assassin's Creed without hesitation. As a fellow Assassin's Creed fan, idk how to feel about the product. Ezio is one of the coolest characters to me, but idk how to feel about UB. It's polarizing.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    You know what, I wish I'd explored that more. Broken down the colours for him, and then got his impression on whether the characters fit or not. I may have to ask him back

  • @nasayatcg

    @nasayatcg

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames Okay, wow. I actually hadn't seen his legit card. I had meant UB as in Universes Beyond. That's ironic. I liked the discussion still and dissecting colors could be fun as someone who creates custom cards based on fictional characters whether that's from media or books.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@nasayatcg Haha, you might enjoy my next video then. I'm working on it now (Spoilers. It's a "What If" Universes Beyond for Star Trek)

  • @nasayatcg

    @nasayatcg

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames one of these days, I'll start Star Trek haha

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@nasayatcg My recommendation is either start with some of the films, or just watch all of Deep Space 9. It's a war thriller, and the easiest to get into if you're not familiar with Trek's style

  • @Reldane
    @Reldane3 ай бұрын

    the video about crossovers was itself a crossover? one of the things about the start decks that didn't come up but ties into the analogy, is that the starter decks tend to the weaker end of the spectrum. If you buy and play it; with each loss against another player you will be encouraged to go out to buy more cards. Each time you look across the table and wonder why thier creatures with their gold and orange symbols are just better than your ones with black and silver symbols, it is tell you 'buy more cards'.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Very very true. I said something like it "probably wouldn't be competitive" and that was almost certainly an under statement. But also I don't believe the deck list is out yet so didn't want to go too hard just in case I'm wrong

  • @SkyrimRules599
    @SkyrimRules59928 күн бұрын

    I got into Magic when they did the Warhammer 40k Universes Beyond becayse my friend groups plays Warhammer and Magic. (And they had a Tyranids Deck led by Swarmlord which is the army I play.) Personally, I'm excited for this Universes Beyond, I want to build an Ezio Auditore Assassin deck. That said, Idk if I'll buy the Boosters or just wait to buy the cards with the rest of the deck off of TCG Player.

  • @SkyrimRules599

    @SkyrimRules599

    28 күн бұрын

    I haven't branched out much from "Crossover Products" yet. I only play Commander, and my Decks are Swarmlord Tyranid Tribal, Keleremorph Burn, Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar(partnered with Dungeon Delver), and the only deck that isn't from a crossover is a Syr Gwyn Knight deck I bought off of one of my friends bc he was going to dismantle is and he sold it to me for like $40ish after taking out a few cards he was gonna use elsewhere. So "Universes Beyond" got me into Magic technically, but it was more that my friend group plays Magic, and they happened to hit the nail on the head with a Tyranid Commander Deck. Lastly, in terms of the price, yeah it's pretty high, but as mentioned, I play Warhammer. These prices overall aren't exactly offputting, but also as I said above, I'm probably just gonna get the cards I want off of TCGPlayer post release. I might see about buying one ore two collectors packs for the Novelty of it.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    28 күн бұрын

    Yeah that's all fair. And I've played a bit of old school Mordheim but the prices for Warhammer proper make my eyes water. I suppose if you're comparing it, there's not a massive difference

  • @ThePencilWizard
    @ThePencilWizard19 күн бұрын

    Matt’s right about it being like drugs, first hit is free or inexpensive, you stay because other druggies will tell you that you’ll be cool and make friends, you maybe make one or two that stab you later (maybe not literally), and then sooner or later you’re $10k in the hole wondering in a depression riddled sobering stupor if it was worth it. Maybe fun if you have the friends to do it already, but I’d say it’s best not to start.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    Man, I hear that a lot. I need to find all these drug dealers that will give you stuff for free

  • @ThePencilWizard

    @ThePencilWizard

    18 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames Job Corps game room in Utah usually had boxes of commons and uncommon cards that you could take 30 of per day, and then some game stores also just give you basic lands for free or maybe a quarter or two each.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    A lot of places do that sort of thing to be fair. I really appriciated it when I was starting out

  • @megamarine
    @megamarine23 күн бұрын

    I am fairly new to magic about 2 years in. As friend was nagining me, I gave it a try and well, I do quite like it. I made some research and looked up how WOTC and their businesses practices are decaying the fibre of magic over the years. I absolutely hate the idea of universes beyond. (Except DnD) it's diluting and watering down what magic used to be and turning it into another pulp of everything. It's basically turning into fortnite or funko pop soup in shape of card game. Sadly those sets prove to generate high amount of revenue and keep attracting many new players, so we will see increase of universes beyond.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    23 күн бұрын

    Oh yeah, for sure. It's just a shame because not everyone wants to play Fortnite the crossover card game, you know?

  • @megamarine

    @megamarine

    22 күн бұрын

    @RedBobcatGames precisely. Secret lairs and silver borders were fine for cross-overs, weird and silly cards but sadly it spills to every other format. General marvelification of mtg is going strong on all fronts. Art, writing, events. My few last sparks of hope is bloomburrow and that next horror one after it.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    21 күн бұрын

    I really wish they'd bring back Silver Borders

  • @Glitch-sp3qx
    @Glitch-sp3qx20 күн бұрын

    I think I should share my point in here. Before I say anything though, I want to say that I know I'm not speaking for a lot of people, this is for myself and if you agree then you agree, it's fine if you don't. I started playing Magic around Eldritch Moon, but I mostly played on and off for a long time until about a couple years ago when I fully immersed myself into commander. I gained a love for the game to the point I started regularly buying products either as packs or individuals for a deck and it's gotten to the point I don't really care what set it is, but that it has new things, and I think it's become a personal problem for me when I see this set and want to buy a box of it.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    Yeah that's rough. You do have to be careful that you're not making it a habbit. Some of these box prices are crazy high, and you shouldn't feel forced to collect them all if you can't afford it

  • @clothandleather2838
    @clothandleather283828 күн бұрын

    For the packs. It's gamblers and resellers. Others just buy the cards directly

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    28 күн бұрын

    Pretty much sums me up

  • @skyhorizon6860
    @skyhorizon68609 күн бұрын

    It's for me, personally asked rosewater myself

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    9 күн бұрын

    Oh well then. Mystery solved. Are you pleased with the set? Some of those cards do look fun, and I'm pleased to see that starter kit at an affordable price

  • @Lilskeevs
    @Lilskeevs3 ай бұрын

    AC is not my cup of tea whatsoever, but, I do think it is a good idea. I think “bridging the gap” between different communities is very conceptually cool. I think it’s a notable way of paying respect to these different franchises/niches while attracting new players💪🏼

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I think I'd be inclined to agree if it ever happened the other way round. I'm yet to see Magic IP characters or lore appear anywhere else. These Universes Beyond feel less to me like a bridging between two fan bases, and more like other fan bases replacing ours because WotC have sort of giving up on their own brand. I'm willing to admit I may be wrong on that of course though

  • @cablefeed3738
    @cablefeed37383 ай бұрын

    The only thing I feel I should add is that these are pre-order prices. Pre-order prices are higher than normal prices. And then they usually plummet.

  • @Big_Dai

    @Big_Dai

    3 ай бұрын

    Will depend on printing quantities. If they take preorders and don't more than that.. realistically, resellers cannot sell lower than that.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, as I mention in the vid they may change. But also Amazon clearly has good communication with WotC as to how things should be priced based on past experiences. And I've only really seen prices drop once the product has been out for a while... or you know, is an obvious flop

  • @treybtw5488

    @treybtw5488

    3 ай бұрын

    As for “retail” price on Amazon for a product without an MSRP those prices are on par with current value of continued Magic releases, so for something that may not be printed a second time these prices could be considered low

  • @MirrorAshes
    @MirrorAshes3 ай бұрын

    LOTR hooked me on buying cards and honestly it’s a terrible habit. Luckily this set has zero appeal to me but they got me again with Fallout recently and with Final Fantasy… ooph

  • @rayjones201

    @rayjones201

    3 ай бұрын

    Cardboard crack… put the pipe down bro. Recognizing the addiction is the first step to recovery.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    See, I like to think those Marvel sets won't have any effect on me. But then I think about having an X-Men commander deck and... oh no...

  • @MirrorAshes

    @MirrorAshes

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames lmao yeah same tbh. I NEED an Esper Professor X and a Grixis Magneto!

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    See, my concern is that the X-Men will be 5 colour, so I guess I want... Cerebro to be the commander? Nah. That's lame. Maybe they'll print a 5 colour Cyclops?

  • @CatManThree
    @CatManThree3 ай бұрын

    What baffles me about this set is how incredibly huge of a treatment its getting despite having the two media franchises having very little overlap in terms of fans. Past universes beyond have all had a lot of overlap. Lotr, Doctor Who, Warhammer, and Fallout. But Assassin's creed? Why? And as a full modern legal set like Lotr? Is it supposed to be more important and potentially popular among players like the Lotr set? Its all very confusing. (Edit: grammar correction)

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I wonder the same thing about the upcoming Final Fantasy set to be honest. But, if they think it will make them money I'm sure they'll continue doing it

  • @CatManThree

    @CatManThree

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames Final Fantsy is fine. I think the vast majority of MTG players have played and are a fans of at least one Final Fantasy game (even if its probably only FF7). Its also an RPG franchise that was closely asociated with DND in its early years.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@CatManThree My favourite was always FF8

  • @CatManThree

    @CatManThree

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I dont really have a favorite personally tbh. I really like most of em.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I stopped playing at X. I just could't get on board with the voices. I liked my silent protagonist

  • @ChibiRuah
    @ChibiRuah3 ай бұрын

    I liked this. the guest was fun and felt like a good choice for the topic. I think he did oddly good guessing the princes for the most part for having exp for magic products. I will say it also shows that there is a little love i feel for the card designs with the haystack card, but it does feel the product is over price.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, when I first saw the Haystack card I rolled my eyes. But after having spoken to him I do now understand why a fan would want it there. It's iconic

  • @theredrighthand

    @theredrighthand

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm good at prince guessing

  • @michaelturner2806
    @michaelturner28063 ай бұрын

    Can't help thinking it might've been worth discussing the details of Magic's recent history of crossover events in Universes Beyond. Video game tie-ins like Street Fighter and Fallout, to general media like Doctor Who and Lord of the Rings. Possibly given more context to the discussion where both brands are seemingly shamelessly willing to put the company logo on anything they can possibly license. Or more likely could've just bored your guest with useless trivia. I was going to end with a joke about how they'll probably make Jace breakfast cereal and then have an internal promotion where you can buy special prints of the cards that feature the cereal. And then I broke down crying because I realized they already did that, there's a Secret Lair and everything.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Two I believe. I think they made new cereal box designs recently if I remember right

  • @ebbandfloatzel
    @ebbandfloatzel21 күн бұрын

    I definitely agree with the idea that Universes Beyond isn't really "for" getting people into Magic. The game is already huge, you're not getting a lot of growth because many of those people will already have overlapped if they were at ALL interested in getting into card games. This isn't gacha hell-scape, so it's not like Magic is drowning in a sea of choice where "Anime crossover 20XX" is actually getting more eyes on them. UB is mostly for enfranchised players. They want to buy cards to use for their decks, and that's it. The whole UB thing is just another way to combat player fatigue. New IPs, unique uses of mechanics with heavy flavor, etc. Top Down Design is good for that.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    21 күн бұрын

    Mark Rosewater has said they're probably going to stop printing Universes Within versions of cards. Which is a shame, because if the goal is to get cards into players hands, then there are plenty of people like me that just won't buy them

  • @ebbandfloatzel

    @ebbandfloatzel

    21 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames The goal isn't to get cards in player's hands, for as cynical as that sounds. Even in Gacha Games, the goal of a crossover is _typically_ to get existing players to spend without barreling down the power creep, and also for new players brought from the crossover to spend on new player packs and get invested with the game. It is, at the end of the day, a way for them to make purchases happen. Which is fine. I'm not trying to act like a business wanting to make money is bad. But I do note that as a heavily established brand, Magic seems to be doing it for the wrong reasons. They are reaching for a growth market that isn't there with a lot of these sets, and the appeal coming from these sets I tend to hear in the wild is mechanical by nature. I've had no genuine tie to the UBs released outside of Godzilla and now Hatsune Miku... Yet I've indulged in most because of mechanics for example. There's some overlap genuinely excited for the IP being introduced to Magic... But by Magic players. I never see people joining in solely because of the crossover in my area at LGS level.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    And yet apparently the LotR set was one of the best selling of all time. So I think we're just going to keep seeing them over and over till they're long past the point of franchises that make any sense at all

  • @Uri6060
    @Uri60603 ай бұрын

    Tbh I feel like they should focus more on non-game ips as like would u rather play a brand new game called magic or play a game with the characters you care about. Like I would love to play a doctor who game, and if magic is an avenue for that it that's dope. But if I wanna play an assassin's creed game, I'll just be like nah rather just play one of the 10+ games that I got. Or same with fallout or others.

  • @Uri6060

    @Uri6060

    3 ай бұрын

    Or just one of those situations where they shoulda released 30$ commander decks and done a 100$ premium versions or something

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah totally. That was basically one of Matt's points too. People won't tend to change media just for a license. Watching a movie doesn't mean you'll read the comics. Playing the computer game doesn't mean you'll play the card game etc. You're spot on

  • @noradi123
    @noradi1233 ай бұрын

    20:51 all ub set should have beginner level products tbh

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I really can't complain about that starter kit currently. Unless the print quality is terrible or they do something else dumb of course

  • @grandpretredesalpagas4665
    @grandpretredesalpagas466518 күн бұрын

    I love TCGs and my best friend love Assasin's creed, so i know this product is for us, we are going to try doing draft with it

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    Oh well good luck. I'm not sure it's draftable but that starter kit will do in a pinch if needed

  • @grandpretredesalpagas4665

    @grandpretredesalpagas4665

    17 күн бұрын

    Thank you very much, also thank you for your channel your videos are really nice !

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    17 күн бұрын

    Why thank you very much too!

  • @tamerofthewilds9987
    @tamerofthewilds998720 күн бұрын

    And here they claimed they were done with Aftermath boosters after the sheer clapback the community gave them

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    Oh I'm sure that "Beyond Boosters" are a TOTALLY different thing and much better value haha

  • @opinionofmine3238
    @opinionofmine32383 ай бұрын

    I may be misremembering but I think original Kamigawa had real historical figures, though I think this is because these people had legends associated with them so it was treated like the myths / stories in Arabian Nights.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    There's a few out there. Obviously people that have made the game and won tournaments. But also there's a card with Albert Einstein on it for instance. It's why I said "recent history" haha. They don't do it so much any more

  • @opinionofmine3238

    @opinionofmine3238

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I know, it's just that you mentioned Arabian Nights at one point so I wanted to bring that up because I think it was actually something of a notable issue back then for Kamigawa.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    See I never played much Kamigawa so only have a passing knowledge of it. I'll check the cards out though because the cards I've seen have been cool. I like Splice onto Arcane for instance. That's my sort of jam

  • @PhoenicopterusR

    @PhoenicopterusR

    3 ай бұрын

    I'd have to double check because it could be both, but you may be thinking of Portals: Three Kingdoms

  • @SirFingleton
    @SirFingleton28 күн бұрын

    the cards are cool. the double price for half the amount of cards in other booster, no thanks. i'll probably only ever get that starter kit as sealed pruducts, just to get a bunch of the cards for cheap

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    28 күн бұрын

    Yeah, that's my thinking too

  • @BigTex65
    @BigTex653 ай бұрын

    I am unfortunately a huge AC fan. I will buy one of each problem because I can’t stop myself.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    If you wait prices might go down? Also, buying singles is almost always better than buying boxes

  • @theredrighthand

    @theredrighthand

    3 ай бұрын

    No shame, completionist fans gotta complete

  • @MWImmortalking
    @MWImmortalking18 күн бұрын

    MTG x Assassin's Creed should have just been 4 commander decks. It's a 100 card set with 20 reprints. Only 80 new cards. For reference the fallout decks contain 154 cards that are not reprints. The 40k decks contained 168 and Dr. Who decks contained 229 non-reprints. This set seems like wotc trying to sell commander precons, that they didn't finish, in "beyond" (epilogue) booster format for even more money than they would sell playable precons for.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    When you put it like that, I really hope they flop. I'd hate to see WotC do this sort of thing again in the future, especially at the price it looks like it will be at

  • @MWImmortalking

    @MWImmortalking

    18 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames after watching your video and commenting I saw pleasant kenobi just uploaded a video about assassin's creed mtg and talks about his lack of excitement about the set and mentions how the Dr who decks were interesting enough to get him to check out Dr who. He then says the assassin's creed set just feels "generic and boring". I wonder if they had done assassin's creed commander decks they could have made a more complete and cohesive experience, even with a lack or new cards, just by actually designing decks and including more thematic reprints with appropriate new art as they did with the other universes beyond commander decks.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    17 күн бұрын

    I honestly think it's too much work for them to do that though. They keep trying to push out these lazy no content packs in the hopes they'll sell without WotC actually having to do much work

  • @MWImmortalking

    @MWImmortalking

    17 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames they've done 3 universes beyond commander sets and the lord of the rings that all sold well afaik, you'd think they know what they're doing

  • @bslangable
    @bslangable3 ай бұрын

    Nice vid, but you didn't mention the secondary market enough to him I think, which is, wether you like it or not, a big part of the price for consumers and where Wizards is basing their price on. I'm not saying it's honest or good and it's still crazy expensive, but needs to be mentioned IMO. If cards are rare or hard to get the price gets more expensive on the secondary market and then it's more reasonable. There's collectors in magic, a lot of them who will want rare cards.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Very true, and with this Universes Beyond cards looking less and less like they'll get a Universes Within print, or that WotC will have the license to reprint them the cards will become very rare over time

  • @user-ok5xs8gl7x
    @user-ok5xs8gl7x23 күн бұрын

    Hot take. I love universes beyond. They’re a great way for me to get my friends who aren’t into mtg into mtg with other ips that they like

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    23 күн бұрын

    I'm not sure that's a hot take to be honest. Universes beyond is incredibly popular. I think I'm just grumpy haha

  • @Ghost_of_spades
    @Ghost_of_spadesАй бұрын

    Oh btw cleopatras Greek alt art is so annoying (as a Greek) to read, I think they use a combination between old and new Greek. EVEN I DONT KNOW WTF THEY HAVE DONE AND I AM GREEK!!!

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    Ай бұрын

    For real? This is the first I've heard anyone say this. I don't speek Greek, what's wrong about it exactly if you don't mind me asking?

  • @tangentfox4677
    @tangentfox467713 сағат бұрын

    Did I just hear £22 for TEN CARDS?

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    10 сағат бұрын

    I'm not sure of currently prices, but this set is bonkers in terms of cost

  • @gigawarman12
    @gigawarman123 ай бұрын

    Universes beyond products and collector boosters are WotC's way of testing how low their audience's intelligence is. Anyone that buys them gets an F- in my book, but is an A+ in WotC's eyes

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    They do keep pushing the limits. I just dread to think how much worse this set would have been had Aftermath not failed

  • @richardharrison4762
    @richardharrison47623 ай бұрын

    Dogbot plushie merch!

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Should double as a case for your phone so you can make calls on it

  • @Case2_0
    @Case2_019 күн бұрын

    I’m now just sad they didn’t go all in a do a bunch of real world figures

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    18 күн бұрын

    I haven't watched the reveal yet, but I'd be surprised if there's not at least a few more coming

  • @Case2_0

    @Case2_0

    16 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames only 4

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    15 күн бұрын

    Oh, that's actually a surprise. WotC aren't exactly known for holding back lately

  • @Case2_0

    @Case2_0

    15 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames exactly! It’s a 100 card set. They really should have gone all out on a normal sized set around Christmas instead of squeezing a mini set between MH3 and Bloomborrow. The most disappointing thing is they decided to not do a single revolutionary war figure. I was hoping for at least George Washington but really I wanted Ben Franklin so I could build a commander deck around my great great great great great great great great grandfather.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    14 күн бұрын

    Oh that's a cool connection. Now I'm annoyed they didn't do it on your behalf

  • @chadisnotachad
    @chadisnotachad3 ай бұрын

    I want it

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Fair. I wish you luck and hope you find it at reasonable prices

  • @TheRavenofSin
    @TheRavenofSin23 күн бұрын

    Mtg and AC have both done the same thing to me. I used to be absolutely in love with them, but then they slowly drifted away and became more and more money obsessed. MTG has way too many sets and crossovers and gimmicks. AC stopped being about assassins and assassinating and became more of a hack and slash game as they had to churn out game after game every year. Both lost the things I loved in the name of making money.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    23 күн бұрын

    Think you'll buy any packs of this?

  • @TheRavenofSin

    @TheRavenofSin

    22 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I do not believe so, no.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    21 күн бұрын

    Fair

  • @TheRodentMastermind
    @TheRodentMastermind16 күн бұрын

    I don't think that final argument about MTG to Game conversion works for me. MTG players are already nerds, they will have some kind of hardware. And as someone that has a PC you can pick up Origins + all DLCs for a tenner. That is nothing. I definitely think the opposite doesn't work though. Assassin's Creed kind of falls in the fairly generic for all gamers AAA model of gaming, Though there are fans that like it for the gameplay and sneaking around, or doing amazing free running, the shift to the RPG element in Origins, Odyssey, Valhalla was to pick up more casual players, and it worked it revitalised a game which was on life support at the time. But that does mean that a huge proportion of the player base are not the kind of people that would like something that is rules crunchy like magic, they are on the edge of nerdom, like Call of Duty player.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    15 күн бұрын

    It's a very different medium too. Like, I enjoyed watching the Walking Dead for instance. But I wouldn't want Walking Dead magic cards... haha

  • @TheRodentMastermind

    @TheRodentMastermind

    15 күн бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames I don't see that as a huge issue, but if I was going to convert it I would go for a themed version of Dead of Winter, which is really Walking Dead without the trademark, rather shoe horn it into magic. Assassin's creed could work well as a hidden role game like the Homeland boardgame, where you have different targets which the Assassins want taken out and the Templers want protected.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    15 күн бұрын

    To be honest I'd be fine with all of this, if they did In Universe versions like they actually did with The Walking Dead

  • @bryceahlberg8170
    @bryceahlberg817029 күн бұрын

    It’s for me

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    29 күн бұрын

    Fair enough. Not long to wait now I think

  • @Itachi45481
    @Itachi454813 ай бұрын

    Yeah no one wanted this at that price lord of the rings beyond was a playable set and fun cards the fact this pack has 7 cards absolutely disgusts me

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Preach

  • @KHJohan
    @KHJohan9 күн бұрын

    I love AssAssIns Creed, but who is that guy on the pics?

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    9 күн бұрын

    Which pics? Do you mean my guest Matt? One of the assassins? Leonardo da Vinci?

  • @tarkus1113
    @tarkus11133 ай бұрын

    I haven’t played AC in ages…but maaan….I’m 1000% confident this is just PURE EDH bait. Like man…..I get that’s the “main thing” and stuff. But man…..I’m still not touching this btw >.>

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Haha, fair. And yeah, I think you may be right. I suspect these are going to be chase for Modern too

  • @TheStartledNinja
    @TheStartledNinja3 ай бұрын

    500 printings

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    500 printings

  • @Phe0nix1986
    @Phe0nix19863 ай бұрын

    Really like the style of this video. Just saw this vid randomly.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Well thank you very much. This was a lot of work so it's really appriciated

  • @Phe0nix1986

    @Phe0nix1986

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames i’ll be checking out more of your videos in the future :)

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Sick. They're all very different. Last month I did one about Magic the Gathering pancakes. It was a lot of fun

  • @yurisei6732
    @yurisei67322 ай бұрын

    I think I've figured out exactly why Universes Beyond really sucks, and why I feel nothing about these boosters being weird: because you either like the IP or you don't, and if you don't, that's an *entire set* with nothing for you, a set that could have been something with a little bit for everyone. And importantly, it's also the reason I think 2024 MTG sucks: every set is kind of a universes beyond set, even the ones that are nominally MTG lore. I happen not to be interested in Sherlock Holmes. I happen not to be interested in Borderlands. I happen not to be interested in Fallout. I happen not to be interested in Assassin's Creed. I happen not to be interested in Redwall. I happen not to be interested in Slasher films. And I happen not to be interested in Forza. That's not actually a lot of things to not be interested in, because they're all extremely specific themes (each about the same scale as a single video game or subgenre), but it's an entire year of MTG releases. Previously a set would have a theme like "Greek Mythology and heroic fantasy" or "Japanese mythology and cyberpunk" or "arthurian and fairy tale fantasy" or "epic and adventure fantasy". Even their more specific ideas were things like Innistrad's "Gothic/Eldritch Horror". These are all way broader themes, they're themes where it's much more likely that any given person is going to find *something* they like in it, even if the set as a whole isn't particularly their jam - I actively dislike Greek mythology, but Theros is my second favourite plane, because there's so much more there than just Universes Beyond: Percy Jackson. Just thought of another thing: I think Universes Beyond probably isn't very good for creating new MTG players because when the thing that drew you to purchase the product was the brand, the rest of MTG doesn't have the thing that drew you in. It's like Weiss/Schwarz: I sometimes buy the deck or a few boosters for a franchise I like, but I never really end up playing the game or buying cards that are powerful from franchises other than the one I already liked because those elements of Weiss Schwarz aren't the part that made me buy in - I wasn't really buying "the Weiss Schwarz experience", I was buying "Some cards with pictures of characters I like and the vague idea that I could play a game with them if I ever wanted to". Same with MTG. Everyone has had the opportunity to be interested in MTG already, everyone knows what MTG is. No one's going "Well I like the artwork on these Assassin's Creed cards, but these +1/+1 counters are incredible, I absolutely have to buy more things that involve them!", they're going "I'll put these cool pictures on my shelf next to my other Assassin's Creed merch acknowledging the possibility I may want to play a game with them at some point but understanding that I likely never actually will".

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    2 ай бұрын

    What's that thing Mark Rosewater says? "Maybe these sets just aren't for you" or whatever. Weird to tell your players to be less invested, but there we have it

  • @fistfullofsalt6311
    @fistfullofsalt63113 ай бұрын

    Ubisoft trying to supplement their income with physical micro-transactions now? Emphasis on 'micro' 😂

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    It's a brand deal made in heaven for both of them

  • @TerryTags
    @TerryTags3 ай бұрын

    Hey! Yo.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Hey! Yo!

  • @Ghost_of_spades
    @Ghost_of_spadesАй бұрын

    It’s for Ubisoft, maybe this way people will get nostalgic and revisit this awful, moneyhungry and overall appalling company

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    Ай бұрын

    And specifically which awful, moneyhungry and overall appalling company are you talking about there haha? I do think Ubisoft are probably worse, but Hasbro aren't far behind

  • @dustinmoyer8131
    @dustinmoyer81313 ай бұрын

    I love universes beyond. With that said, it has to be the right universe. 40k was one of the best quality, strength, fit (theme/lore), and was sold in a decent structure (I would've liked boosters but probably better not). LOTR was amazing for all but the sell structure. All that laid out, Assassin's Creed is a horrible fit. It's going to be a bunch of humans and maybe some animals. Anything beyond that doesn't actually fit into AC. They don't work together, they need to stop stretching these crossovers. A detective murder mystery set, awesome idea. Clue cross over?! Over stretched lol

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    What's your thoughts on Thunder Junction? Literally my next video is about my concerns around it

  • @dustinmoyer8131

    @dustinmoyer8131

    3 ай бұрын

    @RedBobcatGames I personally like it. Yes, they went heavy with cowboy hats and spurs, lol. I'll take that any day over the same cliche "fantasy/magic" designs and environments. I hope they keep on this path of wild worlds/planes with heavy and unique themes. My two favorite sets lately were Wilds and Neo. They had heavy and unique to MTG themes. I want a revisit to those planes eventually, but now I hope for something new for a while. Maybe don't abandon them entirely until them. Wouldn't hurt to have a card or two each set that references other planes or snags their themes. The omen paths might give us a lore reason why some cyber punk ninja is in the wild west, lol.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm down for the variety. I just wish we could enjoy them for longer before being shown previews and spoilers for the next set. Bring back 3 set blocks!

  • @dustinmoyer8131

    @dustinmoyer8131

    3 ай бұрын

    @RedBobcatGames I agree. Obviously each set deserves some criticism and isn't perfect. My only major issue is the release schedule, price, and some of the other flaws with packs/collectors pack. I could get behind a 3 block set with filler UB or odd/small sets in-between if the must. Just still with a bigger window. I haven't driven a lot of my most interested cards from MKM and a new set is about here.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@dustinmoyer8131 Tell me about it. It's exhusting

  • @partyballoonsnorwich2122
    @partyballoonsnorwich21223 ай бұрын

    😊👍🏻

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @Anathlete47
    @Anathlete473 ай бұрын

    As an AC fan and Magic player I felt this was built for me. But I know its a very very small market.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Well there we go haha. If you're going to buy it, then I guess you're the answer to my question. What are your thoughts on the prices?

  • @Anathlete47

    @Anathlete47

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames in my mind the price is a joke. We are paying more for less cards. But to lessen the blow I’m buying the starter decks for the exclusive cards and just collector boosters. Plus I also traded in a fair amount of cards to use as store credit to buy them as well.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Anathlete47 Oof, collector boosters are some of the highest priced products. But fair play to you, as long as you're having fun that's all that really matters. I do like the look of that starter kit though. I just hope it's not two decks of 60 commons

  • @nicks4802
    @nicks48023 ай бұрын

    Its for EA. Thats who. Hasbro is gonna scratch their back, and maybe one day EA will scratch WoTC’s back by helping them make a “proper” (as proper as EA could make, anyhow….) MTG console experience, loaded with micro transactions and bugs.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    EA's not much better, but it's Ubisoft though. A magic experience all about climbing towers and spending a decade in development before coming out as a flop! Yay!

  • @scottcampbell9515
    @scottcampbell95153 ай бұрын

    Another product that I am not interested in. If you're happy then great. Another product that I wish was not forced into Modern. Another product that pushes Magic the Gathering towards truly becoming The Ship of Theseus. What Assassin's Creed fans need to understand is that once you get in eventually WotC (Ha$bro) will make cards that are more optimal than your favorite Assassin's Creed characters forcing you to replace them in your decks. Meanwhile you can still go back and play the first Assassin's Creed game with your friends for as long as you want. There are also less and less competitive Magic the Gathering players and events each and every day. So keep that in mind as well.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah. Staying home and making your own formats seems to be the future. Kind of detroys the "Gathering" part of the game though

  • @scottcampbell9515

    @scottcampbell9515

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames all I want is for FNMs to not have the same sweat equity as an RCQ. There should be a place to play casually without having to resort to Commander only.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I feel that. My LGS is pretty good about it tbf, but I can see a lot of stores just running what's most popular

  • @Th3Treasoner
    @Th3Treasoner3 ай бұрын

    The first half of this video is thinly veiled hate for UB. "They haven't done real world characters... in recent sets" and then deriding packs for not being draftable, making it seem as if that's the only way to play the game to your guest. Yes, the MOM Aftermath set format sucks dicks. But UB kicks ass, and there are plenty of packs that aren't draftable. (formerly Set, currently Collector and Jumpstart) Asking "who this is for" instead of "why did they do this format again, especially after they fixed it with Thunder Junction" is real goofy. The answer to that question, by the way, is because of licensing. And the real problem of Hasbro mismanaging the UB licensing. There is no good reason UB cards shouldn't be online, two different Vintage/Legacy/Modern/Pioneer is dumb.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm not sure I have enough passion to hate it, but I'd say you're right about my dislike for Universes Beyond being on display. Same goes for my feelings on Set and Collector boosters tbh. Jumpstarts a different thing though. It's not draftable, true. But it is playable so that's fine in my book. Same as you can't draft a pre-con, but you can actually play with it. I 100% agree with you on the Hasbro mismanagment, but it would take a lot for me to look at what's happening with Thunder Junction and call that mess "fixed"

  • @patcanny7457
    @patcanny74573 ай бұрын

    Good Video

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Good comment!

  • @theredrighthand

    @theredrighthand

    3 ай бұрын

    Good response

  • @robertoso8796
    @robertoso87963 ай бұрын

    i've never played assassins creed so don't really care about this. i don't really care for LOTR and never seen dr. who but those cards were a lot of fun so i'm willing to give them a shot. i don't think it's a great idea for a magic release but it's a massively popular IP so it probably makes sense.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah, they can make a good set when they want to. I don't know why our main set releases are all Aftermath Boosters and Karlov Manors

  • @robertoso8796

    @robertoso8796

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames i think it's sad that there is no apparent rhyme or reason besides pandering to EDH. if they were clever they would've capitalized off the popularity of EDH to make their formats more exciting and flashy. instead they just rolled over.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@robertoso8796 It does seem the company is focused on the commander format at the expensive of all others. Standard has been dying, if not dead for a long time

  • @crayyonnyadrav4055
    @crayyonnyadrav40553 ай бұрын

    If you asked me last year, I would have said YES! ASSASSINS CREED! WHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! But now, after I kinda bounced MtG in favor of the TCG Flesh and Blood, which is really competetive and it shows me how much a slow paced card game means to me. I still am gonna look at the cards and maybe build a super bad and dumb Ezio Tribal Deck. Also, that they muddled this Set for me with Outlaws of Thunder Junction by saying that the Outlaw cards synergize with Assassins means I have yet again to look at way too many cards in such a short time and get an unhealthy amount of Money for this one Commander Deck Idea. A Deck that I might play once every 3-4 Months. In short, I am excited for the Franchise coming, but it comes to the least opportune timing humanly possible.

  • @Big_Dai

    @Big_Dai

    3 ай бұрын

    "I'm going to look at the cards and.maybe build..." seems like WotC still has their hooks on you 😂

  • @crayyonnyadrav4055

    @crayyonnyadrav4055

    3 ай бұрын

    @@Big_Dai not so much as you might think.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I haven't played Flesh and Blood but have been meaning too. What's availability like for older cards and whatnot? I've seen some stuff for a year or two ago I thought was cool and would want to pick up everything I've seen knowing me, if I were to get into it

  • @crayyonnyadrav4055

    @crayyonnyadrav4055

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames the most direct way is via 2 Blitz Decks. They are rather cheap and should be available at a LGS near you.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@crayyonnyadrav4055 At some point I'll hopefully have the time to check it out. Still haven't opened up that Lorcana deck I bought yet. Busy busy busy

  • @Cookiedive
    @Cookiedive3 ай бұрын

    I want my own Dogbot

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Bettere connectivity than a phone, but cleaning up after them is a nightmare

  • @ClexYoshi
    @ClexYoshi3 ай бұрын

    yeahhhhhh. Describing this as a teamup of 2 brands in decline is... yeah, oof. I was an AC enjoyer at one pint, but like... Ubisoft's treatment of that franchise killed my interest dead and also the endless parade of sexual assault allegations that come from that laughing stock of a company. Really hope the prices for the Final Fantasy set aren't going to be this stupid. I was intending to save my money for a box of that.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah. I keep thinking of doing a video on Ubisoft, and what it means for WotC to partner with them. But... like... I kind of don't want to. It would just make me sad

  • @mountainghoti1671
    @mountainghoti16713 ай бұрын

    'A schmuck addict is born every 5.6 Magic cards printed' Papa "Supplier" Hasbro, probably

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    Well that WOULD make sense if they were trying to "get them young" but who under 30 can really afford these prices? It's crazy!

  • @TheRealFrambo

    @TheRealFrambo

    3 ай бұрын

    @@RedBobcatGames The funny thing is that myself and a lot of people I know would buy way more cards more often (most of them only have precon commander decks) if the prices of everything were a lot lower. I think the same goes for teens/kids, they're really pricing out that market with a lot of their products IMO.

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    @@TheRealFrambo Oh yeah, 100%. When ever product is a premium product, then this starts becoming a premium game and a lot of people can't afford to play that!

  • @Mac666percent
    @Mac666percent3 ай бұрын

    I feel that making a set around 1 ip well, i feel it so narrow, i feel you cant really make a set with this as there is just, frankly, not enough content, lord of the rings, dr who both capture fantasy and si-fi Broard areas the coincide with magic, warhammer and fallout, while imo not really alinging at least where just commander decks, i feel that most if not all universe beyond products should just be commander precons as face it, its the only thing getting people into magic, thus serves as a entry point for assassins creed fans wanting to try it, i very much doubt a fan will look at boosters and go "wow i can buy them" i feel mtg fans dont know how to picture themselfs outside of mtg, but imagine a game youve never played, and buying a pack for it, something that serves nothing on its own unlike a commander deck where, hey at least thats a deck out the box and can be played, i just find it baffling to do a set around such a specific ip as assassins creed, its baffling to think, if say, yugioh crossed over with a thing i liked, and only came out with packs, like, no, if i wanna see the cards ill just look them up online, and its not like price matters as im not going to be a long term player most likley, so to me it just seems like its a product that is for nobody, unless your already into mtg and into assassins creed, at that point, why not just make a secret lair, and thats my final point, secret lairs where the perfect ground for this kind of thing, and even though i hate secret lairs, i hate them having their own sets alot more this comments getting long, but id love to talk to you one on one about these kinda things, do you have an email or discord,

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    I don't have Discord, and I do have an e-mail but I honestly don't check it. Patreon's probably the best way to contact me cos I check there regularly (there's a free tier if needed). And I think you're right about Secret Lair being the best place for Universes Beyond. THOUGH I'd want to avoid a Walking Dead situation and make sure every unique card gets a Universes Within reprint. I can forgive Commander Sets too as they're mostly reprints anyway. Same applies for Universes WIthin copies of the new cards however

  • @Justjoey17
    @Justjoey173 ай бұрын

    Whales, soys, and investors

  • @RedBobcatGames

    @RedBobcatGames

    3 ай бұрын

    The holy trinity

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