The clip of Truss on LBC reminded me so much of Philomena Cunk that I wondered if it wasn't Diane Morgan doing an impression of Liz Truss!

@dolceanstar

25 күн бұрын

Philomena Cunk is intelligent, Liz Truss is batshit crazy.

@PanglossDr

24 күн бұрын

She has become a complete parody of herself.

I miss being Jess's constituent (homemove) but hearing her being sweary and passionate has reminded me how much

"And for light relief there's always Liz Truss and her stupid f*kng book"- I wouldn't call it light relief at all. How is her constantly coming back into the the limelight reminding everybody of the damage she's done and the further damage she's capable of, light relief?

@Skootavision

22 күн бұрын

Erm - sarcasm?

@mcmoizie

11 күн бұрын

😂​@@Skootavision

Good probing of Jess's position re Diane Abbot from Coco. Long overdue reminder that actions are felt differently by different audiences and those feelings are valid. Thank you

@KapnScumdreg

28 күн бұрын

She's also alleged to have orchestrated the removal of Dawn Butler from the Labour Women's group in Parliament and despite constantly saying how outspoken she is, has been silent about Apsana Begums treatment by the party... it could be a coincidence that these are all non-white mps, maybe it's just factional...

@spindizzy64

26 күн бұрын

But then how will any politician ever act if they're constantly scared of offending one group or another. We'll end up with a bunch of tailor's dummies in parliament, nobody doing anything for fear of repudiation. In fact we're almost there.

@EdwardLindon

26 күн бұрын

@@spindizzy64 No-one's asking any politician to refrain from ever offending anyone. What is being suggested is that generalized, ungrounded expressions of contempt should not be aimed at Black women in public, given that they represent two vulnerable demographics. Public figures should make their criticisms based on policy, words and actions, not mere likeability, because women and Black people consistently lose out in popularity contests.

I actually like the show to look again at the Cass report because it is important to note that as someone who literally just came from a Glasgow protest where the local gender clinic is now no longer offering treatment to under 18's off the back of this report the real harm it is already doing is not being covered. Trans people where not included in the research by design, no researcher out of the dozens were trans no trans patients were consulted no workers at gender clinics were asked about their lived reality within the system. The Cass Report is not advocating for trans people it is pushing an agender that it thinks they want even though they are screaming at them it isn't. It also dismissed the studies of over 200 papers for not being double blind tested even though that is not the standard for long term health care because it general cant be. Like how do you double blind test a treatment of a trans 14 year old ethically. Not a single labour MP who advocated for the Cass report had read the whole thing the day after cause it is 400 pages and so it is bullshit that they did. It included as a footnote a youtube channel as a source of information which aside from the fact this is a far right chat show, youtube channels are not peer reviewed and their evidence should not be being used in a report on UK Trans health policy.

@missyprime8198

28 күн бұрын

Just a few things to add to that. Cass has worked with Desantis on his anti trans bills. On Twitter Cass follows anti trans groups. The report leaned on the disproven theory of rapid onset gender dysphoria (social contagion) 1/3 of healthcare professionals in one of the surveys ticked the box to say they don't believe trans kids exist yet their views were accepted & included in the report including one who was quoted saying he hoped the report would protect him from non affirming treatment for trans patients (a flowery way of saying Conversion Therapy). The Cass report recommends treating those up to 25 as minors The Cass report very clearly had made its conclusion from the offset & then excluded research that didn't back up their predetermined view.

@kathunter2130

28 күн бұрын

Thank you for saying it!❤

@2nd3rd1st

28 күн бұрын

I've written a similar response and suggested not to give the report credibility without having knowledge of its shortcomings, and to interview a prominent trans journalist on Twitter, but my comment was deleted or repressed, I can't see it anymore.

@Vio818

27 күн бұрын

@@2nd3rd1st I think they have a profanity filter on these comments (funny considering the title :P ) but it likely that if you had any swear or something the algorithm thinks is a swear it might have been removed. Or else dont know why my comment is still up and not yours.

@2nd3rd1st

27 күн бұрын

@@Vio818 lol no, it was just a comment notifying them that the report is incorrect and in bad faith and to talk to a well known trans activist on twitter

I have a lot of respect for Jess Phillips, I wish there were more people like her in parliament.

I've just filed my tax return early!! Thank you Nish and Coco, I feel SEEN (at my best, rather than at my worst, which is unusual and awesome). ❤

Clicked 100% because of the title this time 😂

Hey Rishi, this is how you show you are one of the people. I like the way she doesn't hide who she is, lot of respect for Jess and Angela Rayner.

Why is it always a policy of making it hard for people to do something? Why isn't the focus turned to companies making noxious products? Instead of banning smoking, ban the additives - tobacco only, and with filters. Ban disposable vapes, and ban all flavours - basic PG-VG mix with a bit of nicotine. Back to basic dull products, no additions, no marketing.

@EdwardLindon

26 күн бұрын

Because they're incredibly rich and powerful and have been sabotaging efforts at both research and regulation for decades? In any case, you seem to be in favour of the goal, so why does this particular method get up your nose?

Here come the black market cigarettes and tobacco. It'll be just like the 2nd world war. You'd think the Tories would be more in to that.

@user-qj7et4wv3q

24 күн бұрын

Well there is already a black market on tobacco products, so all Risky SoKnackered is doing is depriving the treasury £15 Billion in taxes and redirecting onto the Black Market, wonder if he's getting a cut out of it.

Nish 100000% wrote the title

@paddybrown9561

27 күн бұрын

I can hear it in his voice.

wanted to say, give that plant some water - then realized it's plastic 🤣

I wonder if a similar list can be read at the House of Parliament in Canada. There are too many, Indigenous and others.

@m.a.b.4104

28 күн бұрын

Also a horrendous problem here in Australia, has always been but only in the last decade is it starting to get the appropriate public attention. Nowhere near enough is being done to prevent femicide although recent new laws regarding coercive control and consent have been a small win in the right direction. Men, we need to do better, a lot better.

1:16 speaking as someone who just got back from Coachella and lives in San Diego, California spring allergy season is alive and well. At least its hitting everyone hard around the globe 😂😅

Luckily only old people read papers.

Brilliant show ….. thanks. X

Always enjoy your conversations. Slow girl spring sounds great.

did iran even say their response was about gaza? i only read their focus on the embassy attack

@oohhboy-funhouse

28 күн бұрын

It wasn't about Gaza. I am not surprised she forgot because the narrative was it was unprovoked and BIGGEST EVER, think of Oct 7 shrreekkk. I am like, Ukraine sees that every week against far more advanced missiles. Usually expect some truth twisting, but everything about that area is pure gaslight.

@RookieIsMe

19 күн бұрын

Zionists to anything to deflect from theor war crimes

This has been such a crap week as an American who follows left(ish) British news sources. Watching people and organizations who I generally respect talk about the Cass report as if it isn’t a steaming pile of obvious transphobic garbage is so deeply disillusioning. The transphobia here isn’t better but it isn’t as omni-present and I can reasonably expect most left of center people to realize they are being fed bullshit. The repeated realization that that isn’t true in England makes me so sad for my trans siblings there.

@awkie

27 күн бұрын

It really is terrible. As a British trans person, i feel sick from anxiety most of the time now. It’s hard to live my life with all this constantly around me.

@tabbymoonshine5986

25 күн бұрын

This, the glee from the bigots has been gross. But the fawning of people who should have (known better!) immediately seen how biased and ideologically driven this 'report' was. I mean for god sake Cass herself follows the hate group LGB alliance 🙄 Her weird comments on the lost orgasms of trans men is.....weird and gross. And the shadow health minister reneging on his stance that trans people are who they know themselves to be was utterly spineless and repugnant. So close to the stabbing of one trans kid and the brutal murder of another. GRIM TIMES

I'm a stupid, idiotic smoker. I'm going to be sixty in October and, touch wood, my health so far is OK. I have stopped and started again so many times. I once stopped for 8 years and still started again! Yes, I know, I'm an arse. I would love a complete ban on smoking and the sale of cigarettes right now, let alone this gentle plan. I know I would be fine and just get on with it. One of the paths back into smoking is just being in an environment, most often the pub, where you are exposed to other people who are smoking. Maybe I should stop drinking too! 😂But one thing at a time hey? Jess Phillips is a rare bird (I'm using the general expresssion here, not being casually sexist 🙂): A decent, ordinary person who is also a politician. There aren't nearly enough people like Jess. Xx

@andrewcarson5850

11 күн бұрын

Yup, yup, and yup. I'm mid-40s and have been chuffing away for 30+ years. 100% behind banning cigarettes. It's not an addiction, it's a habit, and no one worthy loses out by them not being available. Zero benefit and a huge cost to both body and wallet.

Jess is fully establishment, there is going to be no change while she's around, that boat has sailed. She said it's a whole waste of time at about 10 minutes. She loves an election she says, and watches reruns of '97... Not 2017 where Labour had the largest share of the vote since Atlee, her response then was entirely different.

@buzzukfiftythree

26 күн бұрын

Maybe we just should wait and see, rather than make assumptions that nothing will change once Labour are in government. I prefer to be more optimistic.

@GarySawyer

26 күн бұрын

@buzzukfiftythree Without a Tardis we have no option but to wait and see.

@M2Mil7er

24 күн бұрын

You can extrapolate that their response to the former LOTO's policy platform means they're not up to transforming the nation towards mild, Scandinavian style social democracy, and will stick with the 1979 orthodoxy.

@GarySawyer

24 күн бұрын

@M2Mil7er Agree. I think in the fullness of time (Tardis territory again) we'll see how change was denied by others and democracy was (and still is) being subverted. Even within the Labour Party democracy has been truly subverted, which doesn't bode well for national democracy.

@dairedarcy1130

24 күн бұрын

She’s a milquetoast waste of time. I am assuming that “Pod Save the WUK” is an offshoot of the turbo-establishment “Pod Save America”? If so, she’s right at home.

“Soccer”? Shameful is that, Nish!

Scrutiny is a blade of two sides ?

Great show, watching from New Zealand

Nish is looking like David Bellamy's stunt double more by the day.

As a woman, I feel that women are strong enough to handle criticism by other women. To worry they can't and that "we girls need to stick together" seems condescending. Even if it's another woman doing the condescending.

@EdwardLindon

28 күн бұрын

As a POC, I feel that there's no need to jump on a bullying bandwagon for clout. Deriding Abbott for her many failings is perfectly fine. Showing off about a general, unsubstantiated contempt for her suggests Philips has no clue about how bad things can be for Black women in the UK, or perhaps that she just doesn't care. It's graceless and it's bullying.

thank you

Jess Phillips is simply awesome. An MP that actually does the job she was elected to do.

It’s a shame that Liz’s book didn’t come out sooner,like during the Covid bog roll crises.Soft, strong and very absorbent.

“Fulsome” means insincerely excessive. “Fulsome flattery” is so over the top that it is obviously not meant.

Fresh air. Thank you!

crumbs! what a brilliant podcast.... never seen it before but certainly will keep watching. thank you

nice title lmao

this Mp was brilliant. bravo Jesse

The cass review is a deeply transphobic document that ignored almost all science on transition, written by someone who consulted with transphobic groups and even someone associated with ron f*cking desantis. The report recommends limiting even social transition! That’s just using a different name and wearing different clothes! It’s a total disgrace that anyone is treating it as a reasonable review, but especially a progressive podcast. Listen to what trans people are saying about it, and then try again.

@billpugh58

15 күн бұрын

Whatever.

@lloroshastar6347

8 күн бұрын

​@@billpugh58wow you sure showed them 😂

Well said about the Rayner / Wragg comparison. Couldn’t agree more

Give the title jockey a healthy raise, they really exceeded expectations with this one.

Glad you spoke about the anti-smoking law. One side-effect of this may be to legalise cannabis. The loss of tax income from tobacco will have to be replaced (though long term it will save the NHS a fortune not treating smoking related diseases), so Amsterdam-style coffee shops would fill that gap nicely.

Sorry, I'll never forgive Philips for laughing at the male suicide rate.

@Kavafy

9 күн бұрын

Did she do that? When?

@lloroshastar6347

8 күн бұрын

There does seem to be some in progressive circles who view being left-wing as an 'us vs them' situation. I'm left-wing not because I want to make enemies, but because I want society to help everyone, not just small sections of society. There are many left-wing policies which are designed to bring down male su*cide rates. So it is a genuine shame if she does take this attitude of feminism being a 'men vs women' stance when in truth it's about finding solutions to benefit the majority of people in society.

I honestly like Jess as a person and I think as a politician she is in the game for the right reason. That said I think she should not be so quick to say Iran don't care about Gaza when the leadership of her party are sponsored by "Labour Friends of Israel" !!

@alice1374

25 күн бұрын

I think Jess is also in LFI if I'm not mistaken - I know the local Lab MP here after the election isn't but is consequently friends with Emily Thornberry - which you guessed it - is in LFI... For context you can visiit the LFI website and find out every Lab MP - or anyone within Labour's ranks has ties to LFI.

Cass was very floored, she discounted a lot of valid research. Wes Streeting has turned his back on the trans community, so the trans community expect a rough time under Labour (so do I). I hoped this excellent podcast was going to drill into Cass report deeper. 🙏🏽

That title is amazing!

Puerile,self-indulgent introduction

From what I've seen on sales figures I would say she is not flogging her book, if we take flogging to mean selling. If though we take flogging to mean trying to sell it then yes, but failing all the same. I suppose I should read it before coming to a decision, but in this case I'll just conclude it is garbage from the first page to the last.

I was one of the few people who brought this book....only due to having 5 spare Audiable credits and fanvied a good old laugh sometime. She probably made £1 out of me

All politicians are snakey. Feel that Jess -who has been part of the establishment-, was trying to ride back a bit and reclassify herself as more left leaning, and working class. I suspect, had she not resigned from the shadow cabinet, she would never have done the podcast. It’s subtle, but I definitely think it’s there.

@alice1374

25 күн бұрын

She's apart of the LFI crop. Of course that's exactly what would have happened.

@shuaibafzal6042

25 күн бұрын

@@alice1374 I been thinking about this, a lot. If she was illogically LFI, then there’s no way she’d have resigned from the shadow front bench over calling for a ceasefire. My theory is, based on more thinking and trying finding logic behind this is that: LFI exaggerates how many people actually support them by adding names to their website, to represent themselves as if they have power and more power than they actually have. Again a theory but think there’s probably some merit in it.

God save the UK? Don't you mean God save Britain. Not a single story about Northern Ireland, Jeffrey Donaldson anyone? Maybe you don't think it should be in the UK? I agree but unfortunately it still is so you might mention it every now and then.

"Why me and why now" were also the Queens first thoughts after hearing of Liz Truss winning the leadership race.

nish buy local honey eat a spoon daily for rest of your days it wont do you harm and it may dampen down your problem good luck mate

Lettuce pray.

It's only fair Truss returns the favour after the PLP's efforts in the last 2 GEs to help The Blue Team. 😅

respect to jess, love her contribution to British politics and women's rights specifically.

I'm starting to think that Sunak isn't actually real. The man talks like text typed into and AI voice generator. If he had any less personality he'd dehumidify the room.

When ever people say Labour are just the same as Tory, tell them to listen Jess and compare her to moog

@GarySawyer

24 күн бұрын

Why compare to Moggy and not a Tory wet? Or just look at Tory policy Jess supports and avoid the person comparison altogether.

Coco: "I haven't done anything this week. I took the cat to the vet!" Me: You had to take your cat to the vet?!?!?! Is the little fuzzy tyrant ok?! WHY DID THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE VET?!?!?!?!?!?! We demand ANSWERS!!!!

Jess Philps - ugh!

Phillips is a shapeshifter.

My question, whenever I see Ukraine news or Gaza news is... What is the point of the UN? I thought it was established to stop this kind of nonsense?

Good show. I am an admirer of Jess Phillips.

@Morning404

27 күн бұрын

I'm not.

Lunacy and conspiracy theories may help in Evangelical country but over here in ol' blighty it just turns people off. But Conservatives aren't interested in learning that lesson.

building on nish's point: as someone whose job only lets you have 4 absences before they're throwing the company attendance policy at you, i think having one job is evidence that capitalism isn't working. and before anyone asks, yes i'm an american. sigh......

Love Jess ❤

@stevealharris6669

7 күн бұрын

So much better than my MP ~ Hello from South West Norfolk

I don't like the characterisation of the blatant misogeny directed at Rayner being characterised as old school tory single mum/working class hate. New Labour spent a LOT of time attacking single mums, benefit culture, travellers and asylum seekers. I remember, even if noone else does. Its old school double standards, class hate & misogeny, yes. But the Tories absolutely do not have a monopoly on that.

I thought the feminism point Coco was making was a little off, when the show itself has talked about the weird pressure they have felt as south east Asians to support Rishi and Suella.

@EdwardLindon

28 күн бұрын

That's not the point. The general view, which I find plausible, is that Philips was leveraging the widespread and vitriolic hatred suffered by Abbott to gain easy cred. In fact, I'm no Abbott fan, but the level of abuse and groundless attacks she has received constantly for decades is completely bananas. There is no doubt in my mind that a large proportion of it is racially motivated, which is why soft critics/near allies of Abbott should be *much* more circumspect. The intrinsic and historical failures of feminism vis-a-vis people of colour is very well documented.

Liz Truss as her head screwd on properly she must be making a fortune talking rubbish speeches

Translation for everything Phillips says: "Yes, but what about me? Me, me, me ME!

Who are these two clowns - joking and laughing at their own jokes?

This book is just a prequel to her next opus: "50 Days to F*** Britain"

Phillips is horrible

sounds like a cowboy book?

Did pod save the UK yet?

The non branded packaging has proven to decrease smoking rates in other countries nish, worth some research before dismissing something just because it’s from the horrible tories. Weird you’d be on the side of big tobacco!

I come from islington ,south islington ,its still very much a white working class place ,north islington much the same . True we has Tony Blair , Mandleson and there are quite a few well off people living here now but its still basically a working class borough where you stand a good chance of getting stabbed if you walk into the wrong pub.

"Make England Great Again" is MEGA...just saying

@skabuoy

25 күн бұрын

Liz is more like Making England Gasp for Air...

Has Truss's book got pictures? Is there colouring in?

@andrewcarson5850

11 күн бұрын

I hear there's a dot-to-dot on the insleeve.

I thought it was allergies and it was Covid. Get tested!!!! I had 4 days of congestion and “post nasal drip” and then cough/shortness of breath/muscle aches. Feel better soon!

Coco is dead right on the Philips-Abbott story. Personal insults should not be thrown against women of colour in public, precisely because they *already* get a raw deal from open and closet racists. Philips concludes by saying she didn't intentionally do so, and this is credible. Implicitly, she recognises that she stoked an already unfair situation, and this is why she should have apologised as soon as the story came out. She didn't commit a mortal sin, but her comment was graceless, unfair and ignorant.

Great episode and a great guest. Jess seems to tell it like it is (says little me peeking over the Channel from Germany).

Great response from Jess on Coco's absurd line of questioning. I was so surprised the conversation went there and Jess handled herself with poise.

@final_grrrl

28 күн бұрын

How is it an absurd line of questioning to ask her about her treatment of Diane Abbott? Especially given the Labour parties history of anti-black racism and unwillingness to support POC members of their party, including Abbott, when they are dealing with racial abuse and systemic mistreatment?

@EdwardLindon

28 күн бұрын

There's nothing absurd about challenging white feminists about their behaviour towards people of colour.

Eugene Mirman had a standup bit about his fraudulent LinkedIn accounts claiming to be top executives of various highly recognizable brands... and the cease and desist letters he has received. So, standup could be big on LinkedIn in its own way.

I could live without the banter

Have you asked Liz Truss on to the show?

I love Jess Phillips! We could use some like her to fix our U.S. Congress!

Bravo Jess. It’s great to listen to a refreshing MP who is honest. Of course, when Labour come into government it will be less easy to be frank. You’ve worked so hard to improve women’s rights and to fight against domestic violence. I hope the Labour government will support you in your quest.

@ppetal1

24 күн бұрын

She works against womens rights. Palestine has women. Rather a lot of dead ones. Killed by her "Friends".

Sinus rinse. Follow instructions and you’ll be better without pharmaceuticals. Or antihistamines.

The tories are hoping for foreign episode serious enough to call emergency govt and avoid humiliation in election.

Not literally in aspic, figuratively in aspic....grrrr

Is Jess on the friends of Israel teet?

Um I think there’s something up with your title 😂 I definitely did not expect to see whatever tf this means in my feed today: *240418 LIZ TRUSS FLOGS HER STUPID F***ING BOOK TEN YEARS TO SAVE THE WEST KZreadETXMASTER* 😅

"Coco Khan should probably have a child at some point" is a pretty persuasive argument for an election - has anyone tried putting it to Rishi Sunak? Glad other people buzz off watching election coverage. I've watched (or kept a keen eye) on those I was old enough to care about even when I really shouldn't have. For some reason it's invigorating even though the results are terrible. I'm not quite sad enough to watch old ones lmao but at least she actually is a politician. Having said all that... oh god Jess Phillips, really? Ugh she's a hateful woman. It's hard to believe she genuinely didn't mean to brag in the press about saying F Off to Dianne Abbot when she has multiple bullying incidents, a lot of which she's doing publicly (twitter for instance). She says it herself, "women feel like they need to be super tough" I'm sure she's speaking from experience, the problem is she's one of those who's done a full loop with it to now be the instigator. SHE'S the type of person people are probably afraid to look weak for. It generally kind of annoys me how she acts like she doesn't understand how her demeaning behaviour towards relates to sexism and racism beyond "well it doesn't mean we all have to get along" but then relates war straight back to "manny" and if we had more women this might not be happening... tbh we've had some aggressive female leaders in the Uk alone and its much less linked to sexism than the dianne abbot stuff. If you REALLY want to help labour maybe invite Liz Truss on Podsavetheuk 😅? Go on it'll be hilarious.

RIBENA

The only reason rag (sp?) got any sympathy is because they had literally nothing else to defend him with, not because he's a guy I think.

Jess for The Mother of Parliament. Always right even when you don't like what she says. She's a great and noble woman.

Jess said all that needs to be said. Put women in the rooms. Men mess everything up.

Eat local honey regularly

I want to know why Liz Truss actually became PM is beyond me! Is she the best we can do? Are there no other women who could do a better job? Is she part of a conspiracy to show how bad women are at being PM? As we haven't done well so far! But I have to say I think Boris was worse, much worse and he is a scumbag on top of that! But I think being a man he got away with more. In the media women come off worse but in real life most men are completely fine in my experience

@user-bt8cz9nv4x

24 күн бұрын

Venus to Mars - come in please!

They are bombing people out of their homes and this is all being live posted….. I wanna like you and labour so bad but this is honestly….. sick

@theantoneric

27 күн бұрын

You’re also minimising a further minority and gaslighting, just say you don’t know. You wouldn’t be a devils advocate for antisemitism….. it’s racist

Woohoo. PSUK!

Not a fan of Coco's oblique accusations of racism. Telling someone you don't like to fuck off isn't racism or misogyny. Laughing at an impressionist who's done a bunch of voices including yours and your disliked coworker's isn't racism or a betrayal of feminism or whatever Coco was on about. Jess has it exactly right - feminism is all about _treating people equally_ and that includes disliking people you dislike and not having to pretend just because she's a woman. As a progressive _(in America, not the UK, so maybe this isn't as true there)_ I get tired of other progressives attacking the bona fides of someone they know for absolute certain is an ally. Don't obliquely accuse Jess Phillips of racism and anti-feminism just because she doesn't get on with Diane Abbott. If they both take potshots at each other in the press don't just reflexively side with the black woman and accuse her opponent of racism and/or misogyny, even if Diane has been the target of racism and misogyny in the past. If you think the attacks on Diane Abbott smack of racism and/or misogyny, maybe ask about the context or reasoning instead of trying to push someone never to criticize her for fear of reciprocal attacks. I really like Jess Phillips' style of PR. You hear so often about two people who clearly hate each other but go on in the press about how they "get along fine" and "have a good working relationship" or whatever, even while everyone knows it's false. Jess just says "We don't get on" but "we're not fighting in the halls". We've all had coworkers we don't like but can work with. "We don't like each other but we're all adults here" is about the most relatable thing someone can say, and gives me more respect for the speaker.

@EdwardLindon

28 күн бұрын

No, it's not about "treating all people equally" for the very obvious reason that people do not all start from the same position of advantage. Feminism, like any humanism, is about treating people *justly*, in order to correct historical inequalities. Diane Abbott has been a punching bag for racists for decades, and Philips should be mindful of this, restricting her public criticisms to substantive and specific disagreements, rather than popularising the idea that it's ok to be unpleasant and abusive to people just because you "don't like them". This "Mean Girls" model of civic discourse is intrinsically racist and sexist because in a society where racism and sexism still exist, POC and women will always be easy targets.

@jgray2718

28 күн бұрын

@@EdwardLindon This is precisely why people scapegoat feminism. Your contention that, because Diane Abbott has been a target for years, she should get special treatment from everyone, is idiotic. It is _disempowering_ to treat someone with kid gloves. It _engenders_ attacks to treat someone differently than everyone else _even if that treatment is better._ The way you treat an MP fairly _is by holding them to the same standards you would hold any MP to._ You don't pretend to like them, you don't act like they're special, you don't treat them differently, good or bad. It is insulting to Jess Phillips, a lifelong progressive feminist, to say that her statements are equivalent to some asshole misogynist's dog whistles. This is precisely the shit I was talking about with American progressives: _quit trying to attack your allies for insufficient groveling at the altar of identity. _*_You're not helping._*

@Sophiex2024

27 күн бұрын

Bollocks I'm sure there's plenty of people who Jess doesn't get along with, you don't go round swearing at people and even encouraging others to do so. It's also far from the only time Jess has been seen to be making targeted comments against women of colour. With these things you start to notice a pattern, she's obviously not just gonna flat out go "Yeah anyway I hate all women of colour and think they're beneath me". What's even weirder about the "fuck off" story is that it quite probably didn't even happen, its even weirder for that to be a fictional flex.

@jgray2718

27 күн бұрын

@@Sophiex2024 Perhaps she _doesn't_ hate women of color generally or think they're beneath her. Maybe she's just a disagreeable or blunt person and the only comments you hear about are the ones against women of color. And that's kind of what I'm talking about - if she treats everyone equally badly that's not racism or misogyny, that's just a person who swears a lot and isn't very polite. Now, I don't follow British politics closely and haven't heard much about Jess Phillips, so maybe I'm wrong and she's just a horrible closet racist, but I've heard _(and known)_ so many progressives with double standards for how to treat men, women, white people, and non-white people that I'm always suspicious. At least here in the US, incidents like that would certainly engender more criticism and notice among progressives if such comments were directed at a non-white person or a woman _(among conservatives it's just the opposite; they tend to get outraged when it's white men being sworn at)._ It's one of the things that annoys me the most about my ideological brethren.

@Sophiex2024

27 күн бұрын

@jgray2718 well there's 2 issues here, one is her very rude and unprofessional behaviour that personally I would say frequently tips into bullying. Even if you could honestly prove its not racist it's still vile. Secondly it just seems like a weird coincidence if there's no correlation but the majority of events that are made public are those involving women of colour. The only other person she's made an explicit target of to my knowledge is Jeremy Corbyn, and he was the party leader. Bullies traditionally pick on people they perceive as "lower down the ladder" than themselves, there's an almighty amount of racism in the UK parliament, it seems to me that it's not the more likely option that this her behaviour is completely race blind but just by chance seems quite racist. If we were like "charging" her with racism (obviously that's not a real charge), you'd have a point but it's entirely fair for her to be challenged on patterns of behaviour we can literally see. She's an MP for God's sake, they come on these things for publicity, they can handle a bit of scrutiny.