I was molested by a friend of my brothers at the age of 6. I told my parents and they confronted his parents. They literally threw my parents out of their house and my brother wasn't allowed to see him again. His parents never believed that their son could do something so horrible. You never know what anyone is capable of.

@christophersoren1768

3 жыл бұрын

I imagine later in his life, his parents knew. I wonder if his parents prayed for forgiveness from you. Anyways, tragic, sorry for your pain. God bless

@notwerkinginthishouse8634

3 жыл бұрын

@@christophersoren1768 its important that a victim gets a justice

@killjoyinsane1105

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't have even gone to their house i would have took it to court and got the kid arrested.

@Omar_E11

3 жыл бұрын

I am sincerely sorry to hear that. I hope one day you'll be able to find justice, as I do for every real victim. In the case of Michael Jackson however the difference is there is a lot of evidence against the accusers that expose their financial motives and hole-ridden allegations; absolutely nothing adds up with them.

@scootergirl3662

3 жыл бұрын

Silver Bullett Your case doesn't speak to MJ's technically, but I did see those sorts of "My child can do no wrong" parents when I was growing up. It caused a lot of distress for a lot of people I will say.

“Strong emotions interfere with critical thinking.” Exactly.

@Eyes-of-Horus

4 жыл бұрын

Strong emotions interfere with any kind of thinking.

@mariagill5183

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eyes-of-Horus it's a good thing facts don't care for emotions. That's why MJ was acquitted resoundingly FOURTEEN times in spite of the fact that there were so many malicious people gunning for him. "The man is innocent - he always was" Tom Messereau.

@apersonwhoknows

4 жыл бұрын

And yet still people support Michael.

@apersonwhoknows

4 жыл бұрын

@@PhysicalGraffiti97 you're an idiot if you actually think this. You honestly think republicans don't pander to emotion?

@mariagill5183

4 жыл бұрын

@@apersonwhoknows the reason people support Michael is because the FACTS and evidence catastrophically undermine all the allegations made against him and overwhelmingly support his innocence. Anyone who exercises due diligence will rationally conclude that HE was the victim.

I met and conversed with Michael Jackson on a plane trip from El Paso to Dallas his brother's sat behind me and Michael to my left. Their father, Joe was seated up toward the front of the plane. Michael was to perform for the Ed Sullivan show in New York. Before boarding the plane, I saw Michsel practicing dance moves before boarding. I got the impression that his brothers were indulgent. But during the flight, Michael chewed his fingernails and focused on Joe, who constantly called Michael forward on the plane. The parental control he was subject to was overwhelming. I see Michael as a nervous and frustrated kid who just wanted to escape the controlling adult world. Children would be his escape. But Children grow and change rapidly. So their presence would never be on a plateau like adulthood. So, he sought out more than a few. This would be his neverland.

@Anal_Flute

Жыл бұрын

That's a really good analysis. I agree. I don't think he sought out s*xual gratification from children. He definitely wanted an escape, to be a child and to maintain a presence of innocence that was robbed from him by fame. Who could blame him? He just wanted to be the child who he wasn't allowed to be.

@haintedhouse2990

Жыл бұрын

@@Anal_Flute there's nothing wrong with wanting to experience a childhood that was robbed of you. but as a grown adult you're gonna raise some eyebrows when your pursuit of a childhood includes sharing your bed with minors. that's when you break the law, people get pissed and the witch hunt begins.

@jayaom4946

Жыл бұрын

@@haintedhouse2990 Yes, what does recovering a childhood have to do with sharing a bed with children? Maybe he would like to play with children and appreciate their energy but children don't regularly share their bed with other children anyway.

@annemclean2548

Жыл бұрын

He was still friends with them all when they got older The Casio's worked for him, Mac was Godfather to his kids, Wade wanted to get married at Neverland, James did get married at Neverland. And Bret and 3t still were around.

@annemclean2548

Жыл бұрын

@@jayaom4946 yes they do he grew up sharing with all his brothers. You do not sound like you had a lot of fun growning up. I have shared a bed with several friends even after a night out when i was older, no sex or any thought of sex involved.

Such a weird story from any possible angle. An adult befriending kids, even sleeping in the same bed without feeling extremely awkward or being aware how suspicious this looks. The parents of the kids involved in this being ok with and supporting this friendship. And the huge amount of money on top of it all that gives everybody involved their own incentives for doing nefarious things.

@evem620

8 ай бұрын

If it were a female people wouldn’t bat an eye

@ars7098

5 ай бұрын

Я думаю, у Майкла была психологическая травма где его какая-то часть застряла в детском возрасте. И да вы правильно сказали он не мог понять почему это так подозрительно, он не скрывал этого ни от кого, если бы он делал эти ужасные вещи на самом деле разве он не пытался бы делать это скрытно?

@sweetdreamscr

5 ай бұрын

They never slept alone with him, their parents were there, plus nannies and staff

@sanayalove9194

4 ай бұрын

Their parents sold the children for money. All of them knew he was abusing them.

@Donyalicious

4 ай бұрын

@@sweetdreamscr are you kidding? no parent of any child involved with MJ has said that parents could spend the night in the room with them. the doors would shut and michael would be either alone w a child or alone w multiple children.

*Becoming* really famous in the 80's..? Dude was super famous as a little kid. By the 80's he was a global superstar.

@Nimrodel84

3 жыл бұрын

You really caught the main point, didn't you.

@jamesmccreery250

3 жыл бұрын

By the 80s he was the most recognized human ever to have existed by an order of magnitude. The Beatles were bigger than Jesus, MJ was more popular than the Beatles.

@bricksloth6920

3 жыл бұрын

But Dr. Grande probably wasn't born, certainly not old enough to be following music trends, when Michael Jackson was part of the Jackson 5. Jackson's career as a private artist did take off in the 80s when Dr. Grande says he was a kid.

@lauriehand1021

3 жыл бұрын

Probably means as a solo act

@lauriehand1021

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamesmccreery250 they never said they were bigger than Jesus, they said more popular

I love how blandly he says “I don’t like boring things”

@CrossCory

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!!!!

@reeseexplains8935

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@pintobean4919

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure every person on earth feels the same, boring is dull and a negative feeling and who would like being bored?

@shellydancer7

3 жыл бұрын

It’s fantastic!

@gracejohnston7561

3 жыл бұрын

Hear!Hear! When you act odd people are likely to think that you are.

I was also raped at 11yrs. My uncle still came to my grandmother's house (where we lived) week after week. All my relatives acted like it never happened. Holidays, etc...there he was. It destroyed me. I have 4 abusive ex husband's, I never trusted anyone, but was so afraid of abandonment, I put up with it. This abuse of a child destroys their lives. I still have nightmares at 66yrs. I am on antidepressants, anti-anxiety meds, etc. I don't know what happened to these kids, but if it's not true...they destroyed his.

@Angela-gc3kr

Жыл бұрын

You should be very happy that Jackson never harmed any child, or person.

@niraxlevi9930

9 ай бұрын

​@Angela-gc3kr how do you know? No one knows if he's guilty or not and why should they be happy .

@Team_Moonlights

8 ай бұрын

​@niraxlevi9930 he was not guilty research broski

@RachaelNelson-yl9ht

5 ай бұрын

​@@niraxlevi9930he was innocent

@JBFJBFJBF

5 ай бұрын

I am so sorry. I can't even imagine how horrible that would have been for you. No one ever deserves to feel that neglected and abused. I am so terribly sorry. I hope you have found peace in life.

Whenever someone talks about the 1993 case. They always bring up the $15M settlement but not the fact that Jordan’s father had drugged his son prior to the events.

@deejeff8846

Жыл бұрын

And Jordan’s dad was killed or suicide after MJ death

@josho8436

Жыл бұрын

@@deejeff8846 yeah. The father suicided. It was confirmed by police.

@LarennPBel

Жыл бұрын

Really, I didn’t know of that

@297banu

Жыл бұрын

They also never mention the parents didn't press criminal charges against Jackson although a civil settlement didn't preclude them. There was a drawing made by the boy of Michael's private parts that didn't match the photos the police took of him.The boy came from a Jewish family and said Michael was circumcised, when his autopsy proved he wasn't. Tom Sneddon didn't let go of Michael Jackson for 10 years and travelled to Australia to find other "victims" but came up with nothing until the Arvizos. All of the accusers come with huge credibility issues which the media has always willingly overlooked.

@Zzucia

Жыл бұрын

@@297banu Yep. 100%. The 2003 accusations were, I'd argue, even more glaringly false. It's infuriating how the media completely twisted the facts and shaped the narritive into how THEY wanted the public to perceive the allegations. I really wish, sometimes, that the 2005 trial was televised like the Johnny Depp trial. The media tried to twist the narritive with that one, too, but they failed because the public saw how the case REALLY played out and was pretty much ALL on Johnny's side. I'm almost certain that the same thing would have happened if Michael's trial was televised. It's a shame.

“This movie was exceedingly boring...I’m not a fan of boring things..I found it to be kind of a waste of time.” 😂🤣🤣 Dr. Grande you’re my new favorite channel. Finally, content that is educational as well as entertaining. Thank you so much!

@illidelphian1508

4 жыл бұрын

Every video is worth watching!

@teamcougars

4 жыл бұрын

Marcee F I haven’t been very tempted to watch it. I’m kind of tired of this subject with MJ who’s been dead for years now. No matter if he was guilty or not, he’s dead, what’s the point of rehashing this in a movie at this point? I grew up in the 80’s and I adored him🤷🏼‍♀️

@TheDizzleHawke

4 жыл бұрын

teamcougars to bring mass awareness to the problem of child abuse.

@honeychurchgipsy6

4 жыл бұрын

@@teamcougars - as TheDizzleHawke says - to bring awareness to the problem of child sex abuse - but also because those he hurt are still alive and their lives have been affected by their experiences. This film shows how predators like Jackson operate and that is valuable information for all of us: too many people have unrealistic notions that sexual predators grab kids in a dark alley and rape them, or are hateful people that we can identify easily. This film showed that often times their victims love and respect the person who abuses them - this leads to them denying the abuse when asked as they wish to protect their abuser. Guilt over sexual behaviour - still far too prevalent in most societies - also acts to silence abused children - this film dealt sensitively with all of these issues. I do not agree that it was boring - I found it riveting and informative.

@CorpsDiplomatique22

4 жыл бұрын

@@honeychurchgipsy6 Exactly! That is why Leaving Neverland is so important. I suspect many MJ fans are afraid to watch it because they might actually believe the victims. I found the documentary to be many things, but boring was definitely not one of them.

One interesting thing that Macauley Culkin has said was that Michael didn't really enjoy meeting or hanging out with other adults aside from a select few. To Michael, all the adults were just interested in his money or a business opportunity, whereas kids could actually see him as a friend. He also mentioned that the kids Michael chose to befriend were aspiring child stars. This is important because Michael wanted to protect them and provide guidance to them because he knew how cruel the industry can be.

@virocska

2 жыл бұрын

@Tararyze 11 bs. MJ remained friends with those, who didn't turn out to be vultures. He even helped Robson's and Safechuck's career. It wasn't his fault they couldn't really make it (esp Safechuck). However he remained cloes with Mac Culkin, Brett Barnes, Emmanuel Lewis, Mark Ronsond and Sean Lennon still speak fondly of him, He remained friends with the Cascio family (which he probably shouldn't have, either), the Schleite family and God knows how many more. Mac keeps defending MJ - yet you believe - agaisnt his own words, which he repeated over and over again, under oath, in public even against his own interests... - he lies about being MJs victim? You are utterly dumb. And you obviously haven't read ANYTHING about this topic. I mean anything reliable... Yet you comment about it... You should have a better judgement: never comment about something you don't know sht about.

@fohclan5594

2 жыл бұрын

@Tararyze 11 you’re litteraly just talking biased at this point everything you’re talking about is an accusation against the biggest artist at the time, maybe actually do research and stop believing everything you hear on the internet

@MyLux777

2 жыл бұрын

@Tararyze 11 Theres plenty of evidence he didnt do it. The fuck wrong with you man.

@annemclean2548

2 жыл бұрын

@Tararyze 11 when did you see Macauley in LA. He has lived in New york and Paris and avoided LA for years.

@annemclean2548

2 жыл бұрын

@Tararyze 11 what about Wades sister, Mac's sister, Jordy's sister, Brandy, Nicol and many more. All there with their brothers

Culkin said the alarm system to the bedroom was installed after a home invasion. Allegedly a crazy fan got into the house and hid in Michael's closet. Naturally this freaked him out, and the story goes that he installed this security system around his bedroom to help him sleep.

@evem620

8 ай бұрын

It was to get notified of employees who used to sneak on him and listen to private conversations and sell them to the tabloids for hundreds of thousands of dollars. The secret hideout was the one created because of that particular incident

@josephg6260

8 ай бұрын

Source ?

@diogenes3300

8 ай бұрын

@@josephg6260 on which point?

@josephg6260

8 ай бұрын

@@diogenes3300 the culkin part sorry I’m new to this case . Did he testify to that ? Or was it said during an interview?

@diogenes3300

8 ай бұрын

@@josephg6260 Culkin described the alarm system during the trial, and also talked about it in interviews. I think the part about the fan breaking in being the cause is hearsay - but it’s true that people did break in.

I wish there could be a sudden surge of interest again so that people could revisit the facts of this case. Now that the Johnny Depp trial is happening and the public is honed in on it, the chance for MJ's case to be analyzed without dramatics nears and seems almost possible.

@MiaLovedByChrist

Жыл бұрын

agreed!

@caramelcosmo7118

Жыл бұрын

WHY?!! Let that man RIP and get a life 🙄 it’s over

@katara9

Жыл бұрын

@@caramelcosmo7118 I think it just makes me sad that so many people still see him as guilty despite the lack of a verdict, when he's dead and can't speak for himself. But it is what it is, I only have my fantasies for what I think justice should've been for that case.

@homerover4990

Жыл бұрын

Weren't you listening? He said since Michael is dead he cannot defend himself against any accusations. It would be futile. Besides, they tried to sue his estate and they were rejected!

@homerover4990

Жыл бұрын

@@caramelcosmo7118 Exactly! The doctor said it was pointless because MJ is dead and cannot defend himself. It would be one-sided and a waste of time.

my favourite quote so far: "I'm not really a fan of boring things." 😆

@clementinofrancisco3199

3 жыл бұрын

He is not a fan of boring things, but he is making a profit out that boring film by making this somewhat long video

@accessdenied4429

3 жыл бұрын

Not going to lie I did skip a lot 🙄🤫

@debrarohner412

3 жыл бұрын

Did you receive a Jesuit education? I've always wondered why Micheal.. With a Baptist background couldn't "avoid the appearance of evil".

@beautifulsungoddess2015

3 жыл бұрын

@@debrarohner412 what Baptist background? His background was Jehovah's witness

@debrarohner412

3 жыл бұрын

@@beautifulsungoddess2015 I think I saw you at Burning man wearing a bra less wet T shirt

Can you talk about Prince Andrew and his involvement with Epstein.

@annwilliams6438

3 жыл бұрын

John Ashley He already has. Look on his channel for a critique of Andrew’s interview as well as another one about Epstein. Enjoy. ;)

@puttentanesame6687

3 жыл бұрын

no no no...let's talk about YOU having the attention span of a GNAT...

@_sunchildd

3 жыл бұрын

Puttentane Same woah why so hostile?

@byrnetdown6076

3 жыл бұрын

@@puttentanesame6687 whaaat chill out bro

@amirahkukan782

3 жыл бұрын

@@puttentanesame6687 what's wrong with you? Ridiculous

Super enjoyable insight.... clearly unscripted (which is what you usually do) ..... I love both versions of your commentary..... (but kinda enjoyed your more relaxed/facial expressions a bit more) Thanks for all your hard work! Watching your channel grow has been well earned!

It was mentioned, but one of the most important considerations to me is that he was so very famous and rich. The fact that so many people depended on him for money or wanted money from him throws shade on their motivations - this goes for people who would defend him or the people who say they were abused by him. It’s difficult to know the reality of the situation when everyone involved is potentially compromised.

I would never let my kids sleep over in bed with a grown man. Just saying.

@scarletshadedblack6502

3 жыл бұрын

Nikki one of the parents literally killed himself

@Freya1412

3 жыл бұрын

they never slept in the same bed together. Micheal's room was the size of a house.

@Freya1412

3 жыл бұрын

@@scarletshadedblack6502 Wade's dad killed himself because his wife left him and took the kids to states and the man was also an alcoholic. What does his suicide have to do with Jackson?

@Freya1412

3 жыл бұрын

@Sally Ann grandma your dementia is acting up. I never said Jackson was hardly ever at neverland so I have no idea what this " Highlighted reply Sally Ann 8 minutes ago (edited) Lola why do you all say that Jackson was hardly ever at neverland but then spend your lives going on only about his room AT neverland? " is about. I stated a fact that his room was the size of a house and who is " you all " supposed to be? I spoke on behalf of myself . Are you okay grandma?

@Freya1412

3 жыл бұрын

@Sally Ann this is getting sad now. Clearly something is wrong in your life that you are are all over the place calling people liars and looking for attention. It was funny for about a minute but now it's just sad. You are too old to be this desperate for attention.

Can we get "I'm not a fan of boring things" on a t-shirt please? 😂🙌

@mkartmkart6335

2 жыл бұрын

YEA good idea :)

@sciencenate

2 жыл бұрын

With the cactus with glasses. Which is kinda boring - the juxtaposition would be beautiful

@mylastestaddiction739

2 жыл бұрын

I would buy that shirt

@elaineheath1962

2 жыл бұрын

@@mylastestaddiction739 So would I !

@jimfaust6342

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dr. Grande, thanks for this video and all other videos you put out here. It truly shows how objective you are in analyzing these situations and people. I think the news media could learn a thing or two from you on how to be objective in reporting on issues. I really admire you as a person of integrity. The world needs more people like you. God bless you 🙏

Thank you so much for your calm, measured analysis. As I was listening, I was citing information OUTSIDE of Leaving Neverland that would have helped, but I'm glad you sort of focused on the contradictions contained IN the film.

I’m actually friends with a couple of guys who knew Michael when they were kids, stayed over at the ranch all time, and said nothing ever happened. They even stayed in his room. They said Michael was just a big kid and it was like a sleep over with nothing weird. He was a really humble, generous, and nice guy. They both said it was about money because not only did Michael have a lot of it, he also use to give the kids whatever they wanted as gifts. Even his one-of-a-kind items that were personally designed for him to wear on tour. One of the guys I know, Brandon, who was in Moonwalker (he played little Michael in the parody Bad video and Zeke in the film) he told me this decades ago when we were in high school. I believe both of them. Also, if you don’t remember, Jordan, the kid who’s parents started the whole 1993 fiasco, admitted the day Michael passed that he lied. Now, all of a sudden, right after the law passes extending the statue of limitations to the age of 40, they now want to bring this up? After they were turned down cold by literary agencies when they tried to make it into a book first yet no one wanted to touch it. Both tried to sue the estate for &1.5 million and that didn’t work either. All they have is here say. No proof and it would be more than just 2 kids coming out to say this if it were true. It’s all bs. They just want money. He did nothing but give these kids money, gifts, happiness, and friendship. If the parents were so concerned considering the fact that they too were invited to stay over (and some did stay at the ranch), then they should’ve said no from the start. Kids weren’t being just dropped off at the ranch. Just to be clear. There were no closed doors or sleeping shirtless, or anything weird. Everything that I’ve seen on here that everyone is saying is all been expressed by the media and not one piece of it is true. There’s the logic right there. Anyone who has worked with MJ or knows someone who has basically has a similar closing to their experience. He was humble, charitable, funny, friendly, extremely personable, selfless in a way I can’t even express I’ve seen any human be, and genuinely nice... and was very heterosexual. These guys need to give up already. I watched 5 minutes of Leaving Neverland and turned it off.

@skandarkeynes_skandarians

3 жыл бұрын

Love this comment!

@celeste7350

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for this.

@tboling1579

3 жыл бұрын

alanni celeste Thank you. You know, I’ve reached out to a couple of my friends and their responses were that they didn’t want to get involved. It’s really crazy because you have all these independent “journalists” (if that’s what they can be called anymore), making false reports about the different kids that stayed there over a span of years and even saying they spoke to them. Even those are false. No one wants to talk to them because their words become twisted around to slander Michael. Personally, I would be more afraid of jail time for lying in court if I was these two men who are upset because they’re broke. A lot of the kids didn’t get money but, they didn’t care. During a time when child actors were taken advantage of, MJ provided them with a safe ground of friendship. It really is disturbing when you see someone who was not only a performer but, an amazing humanitarian become scrutinized even after death. You truly have to be spiritually dead to do something like that.

@eastwestblason7213

3 жыл бұрын

But why don't you speak up? Why don't you gather with other witnesses ? Why don't you write a book or something?

@tboling1579

3 жыл бұрын

East&West Blason because my response won’t mean anything when hundreds have already spoken out. I wasn’t personally there so, my voice would mean nothing. A lot of the those that were kids at the time that were there have said nothing happened but, the media doesn’t care to hear them out. They only want to report the negative narrative. It wouldn’t matter. Trust me. It’s pretty pathetic and disappointing. I know these guys won’t win their case because their testimonies contradict facts. Perjury is punishable by jail time. I’ve already sent these guys a message. Even the Jackson kids are trying their best to not come out angry. I can only imagine how they feel.

Unbiased analysis is rare these days, love it.

@thesecretkey9845

2 жыл бұрын

It's biased and you're getting fooled by a particular type of rhetoric.

@LightoftheWest7

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesecretkey9845 educate me. Honestly, not being sarcastic. Can you point out examples of this biased rhetoric? Again, I’m not being argumentative, I really would like to know what you’re referring to.

@Rich_P_Anya

2 жыл бұрын

I actually sensed a pretty emotionally reflexive tone in his arguments and I was surprised

@LightoftheWest7

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rich_P_Anya Can you point out where you saw this? I reiterate I am not trying to argue but if I missed something biased I genuinely would like to educate myself. Recognizing biases has never been more important than now. Thanks in advance.

@darthcarnage6734

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesecretkey9845 I think your full of bs…. What type of rhetoric? I actually do know a lot on the subject..I noticed others have asked and you haven’t given an answer…

The film came out 2 months before the appeals of their $1.5 Billion dollar lawsuits that a judge had already thrown out for being not credible.

@nicholasantoniak1758

7 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly it wasn’t credibility but the fact that the judge thought it was filed too late. An important distinction if so…

@zran3097

6 ай бұрын

@@nicholasantoniak1758 Source?

@Einstein9201

11 күн бұрын

Spreading falsehoods. There was no specific dollar amount pursued.

I believe that if Michael had done anything wrong the FBI could have got him. The fact that they investigated him for 10 yrs and found nothing is huge on its own in absolving Michael of any offences leveled against him. Let his soul rest in peace.

@SG-dg6oi

Жыл бұрын

What?

@SamoaVsEverybody814

Жыл бұрын

@@SG-dg6oi He's innocent is what. Leave him alone

@brandonrhymez2961

5 ай бұрын

They found CP at Neverland ranch what are you talking about. How about look up the facts

@a5dr3

5 ай бұрын

They found a boatload of evidence at neverland. It’s all on the public record. Not going to type a book here but the evidence of all kinds is absolutely overwhelming.

@notsojoerogan

3 ай бұрын

@@brandonrhymez2961 To be clear, there wasn’t any literal CP found. (At least to my knowledge) The only things of that nature found were two books that, while most would view as CP, are technically legal to own because they’re classified as art

“I’m not really a fan of boring things”- Dr. Grande’s personality is a whole mood😁👌🏻 Very engaging, honest, and organized insight of the documentary

@jennikaochoa-mendez1002

3 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry @SallyAnn but you do NOT know me to make such affirmative statement as to say that I did not watch it. However, I’ll respectfully respond to the congruent portion of your odd reply to me & gladly explain you how to review & evaluate media content. Even if someone had not accessed or had limited access to a documentary or let’s say a movie for an instance, you can perceive how something is well-constructed in the way in which they outline their central ideas, whether the vocabulary & mannerism is biased and/or discriminated, conform their explanatory argument, and unify their findings in the closing remarks in way in which the general public make reason of it. I hope this helps xo! Blessings 🙏🏻💫

@MK-Hogan

3 жыл бұрын

Jennika Ochoa-Mendez 👆🏼 Mic drop

@jennikaochoa-mendez1002

3 жыл бұрын

@sallyann Hello, it is called being an adult. Having different points of view, and BEING AFFECTED DIFFERENTLY BY THE SAME THING. I watched it, as soon as it made it to HBO, and there are many things that appeal to me as a human being, and there are other things that are highly QUESTIONABLE. But I am NO ONE to come on here and OPENLY go against Dr. Grande or any of the individuals whose opinions differ from mine. THIS IS THE LAST RESPONSE I AM GIVING YOU CONSIDERING THAT YOU ARE EVEN CURSING AT ME AND I DO NOT HAVE TO ESTABLISH CONVERSATIONS WITH A PERSON THAT CARRY THEMSELVES IN SUCH QUESTIONABLE WAY. LIKE, IF I AM A STRANGER AND YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS, THEN HOW DO YOU TREAT THOSE AROUND YOU?🤔 Blessings🙏🏻💫

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

@Sally Ann There you go bullying, insulting & name calling again. You are just a low class, morally bankrupt, hater troll that thinks just because 2 destitute, proven pathological liars starred & acted in an abomination of a disgusting film, devoid of any facts or evidence, a film which promotes the pro - pedophilia NAMBLA narrative & vocabulary, is highly manipulative to emotionally brainwash gullible, and non critical thinkers. One sided on purpose with more holes in it than a cheese grater - based on word alone by 2 accusers - not victims - replaces a verdict by a Judge and Jury?. Nope. It is so excruciatingly boring that most people figured it was a far -fetched fraud based on the 3 hours of drone footage, no substance and very bad acting by 2 cowardly frauds - Not victims - trying & failing to extort $millions by falsely accusing an exonerated in life, conveniently dead man. THAT'S what YOU support. YOU are disgusting.

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

@@jennikaochoa-mendez1002 It is a troll. It attacks anyone and everyone with an opposing view or opinion. It even insults Dr Grande. It has taken up residence on this video along with a handful of other trolls, with numerous fake profiles. It/they have mental health issues. This would make an interesting case study for Dr Grande.

He wouldn't be a "master criminal". IF he were any type of criminal, it would be a Smooth Criminal.

@stephaniebaker6001

2 жыл бұрын

Dammit, I posted a similar comment before I saw this! LMAO!

@effygram8159

2 жыл бұрын

LOL 😂

@dannykrinkle4726

2 жыл бұрын

Shamon!

@jacobbarbosarc27

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@KellyK387

2 жыл бұрын

This is true haha 😆

Your videos are fascinating. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and skill.

I have been diagnosed about seven times with ADHD (I always disagreed, lol) but I found myself constantly rewinding this (the Leaving Neverland show) till I just gave up. My sister said I was callous to think MJ may not have been a molester because I just wasn't ready to just say he was... I couldn't watch that show, though, so it is somewhat comforting that right off the bat you say this was boring. :) You, Doc, are NEVER boring!! I had a friend whose Mom acted like MJ. Her Mom would literally just hang out in bed all day watching shows, and with all the kids in the neighborhood. Looking back, that was creepy, but she never bothered any of us, she just liked talking to us, she said she really disliked all adults after her husband cheated on her and the whole neighborhood knew about it and didn't tell anyone. To say she had trust issues would be an understatement. This was in the 90s. She just didn't like to get out of bed. She just wanted us to fetch her this and that. Like cookies and stuff. She just wanted to watch her shows in bed and talk to us sometimes but most of the time she just wanted to watch her shows. With all of us kids (her child's friends). The shows she watched were pretty crazy so most of the time we wanted to hang out with her Mom more than our friend. I always wondered why she needed such a huge bed. But when you're 12 you just go with the flow.

@starcloud4959

Жыл бұрын

Boring.

@muf9399

Жыл бұрын

You should watch leaving Neverland, it is an extremely intense and very trustworthy story that those two boys went through. Far from boring, rather, exruciating for these two - at that time - underage victims. And I like MJ's music but sadly, there was this other side.

@SpiceItUp_5150

Жыл бұрын

You should just say she didn’t touch you. Don’t speak for others because you never know.

@OhSayWhatIsTruth

Жыл бұрын

@@muf9399 You should watch Lies of Leaving Neverland. There are major problems with the accusers' cases.

@Angela-gc3kr

Жыл бұрын

@@muf9399 No it isn't. It is a fictional tale made for profit by two court proven frauds & a creepy director. End. And if you believe that trash fiction movie, you are extremely gullible & easily brainwashed.

The most calm and unbiased talk about this I've heard yet, congrats.

@likeaburgerpuss

4 жыл бұрын

This is incredibly biased, are you kidding me?

@dshe8637

4 жыл бұрын

@@likeaburgerpuss agree

@CorpsDiplomatique22

4 жыл бұрын

Unbiased? Todd Grande is obviously a Michael Jackson fan. That seems to be clouding his judgment, like that of many other fans who refuse to believe the artist they grew up with, and whose music they loved so much, was a pedophile and child molester. Meanwhile, a ton of other psychologists who are experts in the field of CSA believe the victims. The mental gymnastics some people do to justify sleeping with dozens of little boys, switching them for younger ones once they age out, taking them on world tour (all the while never sustaining a credible relationship with an adult man or woman), and owning books with naked little boys typically found in the posession of pedophiles (found in MJs bedroom during the raid) is astounding. Occam's razor says MJ was guilty.

@MonkeyMonkeyMONKEY.

4 жыл бұрын

A A The problem here is who is and who isn’t?

@ognjenmilanovic7057

3 жыл бұрын

@@likeaburgerpuss yes, from the start

When your a grown man you don’t spend the night with children in your own bed. It’s weird and it’s wrong. He should have known this but his fame and power got in the way of his judgement. Michael had a ton of psychological problems stemming from his childhood and his abusive father. He didn’t have a proper childhood and decided to have another childhood as an adult. He was a 50 year old child. Dr. Grande is right, we don’t know 100% if he was a predator but his weird behavior made him look guilty.

@Wtiberon

2 жыл бұрын

It's weird to us, but our mistake here is judging his behavior based on our intuition. He was chemically neutered by his father to keep his high voice which caused all kinds of development issues. People who talked to him said his interest was that of a 12-year-old. Comics, cartoons, etc. To me, it makes perfect sense, given these facts, that he would feel more comfortable with children in a non-sexual way.

@mimil.2606

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wtiberon True and by even our judgment the way this all could have gone down in the path of Michael’s he could have made a choice to take those issues inside and make his feelings towards children a sexual thing or not. An I believe he didn’t but sense everyone just focused so hard on his interest and mental stress of not having a child hood they assumed the worst. An thats sad but I’m not saying it’s easy to not assume that way either just the sad cases of some pedophlies they were molested and then done the same to their victims. But we should keep an open mind because that victim can have a choice to be better..and not harm anyone else and that’s what I think Michael made that choice but how hard the media was..I don’t he had a chance to even be taken seriously.

@b3at2

2 жыл бұрын

Those kids parents were scam artists too

@Chilsy449

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe that’s just what he wanted us to think? He definitely used his power to get what he wanted and to manipulate.

@theansweris4241

2 жыл бұрын

Michael Knapp Yes we can know if he was predator or not, it only takes a few hours of research to find how where those allegations originated (NAMBLA pedophiles who targeted him since childhood and one of them assisted Evan Chandler to concoct allegations) and how absolutely ridiculous they are for literally hundreds of reasons. His sleepovers have nothing to do with fame and power. What power did he have anyway when America treated him like less than human any nobody could tell any lie about him and get away with it? MJ grew up sleeping with others all the time including unrelated adults who treated him better than his own father. He literally considered sharing his bed as an act of hospitality. Also, he loved strangers like family. That is an alien concept to most people. People fear what they don't understand and what they fear they want to destroy. Keep in mind without money and jealous being a factor MJ would have never been accused.

I am now a grandmother and I had always found children to be fascinating creatures. Before the age of seven they are so innocent, and I have so enjoyed telling them fantasy stories of elfs, fairies and distant lands. They listen and believe what you tell them. Later, when they grow older they are so wise in their conclusions. I truly adore the mind of children, and always took my own kids, and my nephews and nieces on all of my vacations because it was my experience that my vacations were a lot more fun with the kids. There´s a special magical energy in the air when kids are around us. I always thought that Michael enjoyed being around kids as much as I do. I loved Michael Jackson all of my life, and I never thought he was a child molester. May he rest in eternal peace. Thank you for your fair analysis. After reading my post I should add that like Michael I had a very domineering mother who forced me to do most of her work from an early age. I had three younger siblings and was forced to take care of them, cook for them, and help with house shores from an early age. I don´t mind the work since it taught me to be independent, what I resent is that I wasn´t allowed to be a child.

@squareonedocumentary-mjisi6058

Жыл бұрын

You are right 💘 Michael was abused as a child : His father regularly whipped him and his brothers and called him names . Joe Jackson beat his kids until they bled and nicknamed them after their flaws . He was physically and verbally abused by his father . He had no childhood . He worked non stop since the age of 6. He had no friends growing up , he never went on a birthday party or trick or treat . His life was incessant rehearsals , non stop performances and recordings . He never celebrated birthdays , Christmas or Halloween . He was mercilessly bullied for his looks by his father who called him fat nose and pizza face . He was the breadwinner for his family since he was 6 years old . He had the midas touch : He is the top earning dead celebrity every single year since his death . He holds the world record for the top selling album of all times . He is the highest paid artist of all times . All this is nothing more than their own fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence that Jackson considered child sexual abuse "love" or that he did not perceive it as harming children - on the contrary, there is a lot of evidence to the contrary. Like this handwritten note he wrote to his sister-in-law, Dee Dee Jackson, when his nephew Taj was molested by his maternal uncle. “Dee Dee, please read this article on child molestation, and please read it to Taj, T.J., and Tarill - she emphasizes that even relatives can be child molesters, even uncles and aunts can rape nephews or nieces. Please read. I love MJ. “I would never do anything sexual to a child. I don't like it. I do not even think about it. I'd rather open my wrists. It's not Michael Jackson, sorry, it's someone else."

Thank you for all you do, Dr. Grande. Your videos are exceptionally well done.

Fame is the Worst Thing that can happen to a person.

@coisinhasbanais

5 жыл бұрын

How about poverty, homelessness and starvation?

@CASSICF

5 жыл бұрын

I think with poverty, homelessness and starvation it is presented at face value, there is no sugarcoating it. With fame, there is a facade of everything being glitter and cupcakes, but the famous individual is dead inside. To be able to pull the curtain back on stardom would present a dark and broken individual. Michael, Whitney, Brittney Spears, they are/were the most famous people on earth but look how their lives ended, or their lives presently, in Britney’s case, it’s sad.

@123mintjelly

5 жыл бұрын

Not if they have the right attitude and don't take their fame so seriously. MJ was convinced he couldn't walk down the street without getting mobbed or stared at. So what does he do ? Puts veils on his kids faces. Of course people stared. He was guilty of being an idiot.

@user-bp6gp2rc1v

5 жыл бұрын

Carolina Sousa Yes you’re spot on in your comment about the destitute and starving of this world. But the truth of being rich and famous is that it then becomes possible to live life in an extreme way, unfettered by many of the constraints that most of us have to live with. And that can cause great damage. Sadly, I have personal experience of that happening. The person can easily tip into a world that is unbalanced, and sometimes quite dark. They can then begin to see reality in a distorted way - the usual ‘moderators’ are not there. The most obvious example being with the use of drugs, which can then go on to cause even greater distortions. Even on a low level, and without drug use, a person who is largely unfettered by things like money can end up overplaying their hand, and wielding too much power, which I have seen backfire and damage relationships and self worth. There is much to be said, from what I have seen, for the things that moderate our lives. Even being extraordinarily talented can bring the shadow side of human nature into the equation. Being an artistic genius is not necessarily a recipe for happiness. It can lead you to question yourself and what you are doing, to anguish and torment in some cases, and it can also build a climate of distrust, as you get to be more and more suspicious of people’s motives for befriending you. At this point you can even begin to doubt those friends and family members who you have always trusted. So not only the genius suffers, but those close to them, too. Not for everyone. Some manage to handle great wealth and great fame. But many get burnt. It’s that old one about absolute power corrupting absolutely. And people with huge wealth and fame can also fall foul of unscrupulous people around them, who want a chunk of the action. Genius is, it seems to me, a bitter sweet thing in which you fly extraordinarily high, but also have the ability to fall from these exceptional heights. It’s a difficult one, but I have seen people undone by fame and fortune, and adopting extreme and unhealthy ways of living. What an irony that having money, power, fame - things many of us would secretly rather like to dabble with - myself included -can have the potential to wreck lives.

@TheOneanjel

5 жыл бұрын

Michael loved his fame. He felt it was God's way of providing him with love and provisions for not only poor children but for a damaged world.

Being "eccentric" or "weird", doesn't make you a criminal.

@Sullivanin

5 жыл бұрын

Even being ‘inappropriate ‘ as some claim about Michael doesn’t make you a child molester. Sleeping in the same room or the same bed as a child doesn’t make you a child molester. People are very quick to fill in details that just aren’t there.

@robwilde6857

5 жыл бұрын

...and having books with naked kids? - nah, that doesn't make you a kiddie fiddler - just "eccentric" LOL.

@Sullivanin

5 жыл бұрын

Rob Wilde again filling in blanks. Those allegations have been proven false even after unexpected raids by the FBI, which are actually documented. Had he had actual child pornography he would have been arrested just for that. They found some pornography aimed at heterosexual males, but that’s all.

@clairelegrand3604

5 жыл бұрын

@@robwilde6857 The two books about boys didn't have MJ finger prints on them at all. If he was looking at it, his finger prints would have been all over those books. The boy a photographic essay is an art book and a gift from a fan. Boys will be boys and the boy a photographic essay are art books that you can buy on Amazon so there is nothing illegal. Some stupid people whould say that Renaissance paintings with naked characters are pornographic works and book or painting with cherubs are child pornography.

@clairelegrand3604

5 жыл бұрын

@@Sullivanin I don't understand why some people when they saw adults hanging out with someone younger, they autommatically assume that there are sinister and disgusting things which happen between them especially if the adult is a guy. Oprah did an interview when she said that she was having a good old pajama party, texting and having hour-long calls with the girls from the Oprah Winfrey Leadership for girls where sexual abuse took place. Oprah had restricted the parents from seeing THEIR OWN CHILDREN more than once per month for a maximum of 2 hours whereas Michael Jackson always insisted that families stay with their kids.

The accusers stories sound really good when they’re the only one telling them.

First, I'm so glad I stumbled upon this channel! You did a wonderful job of presenting this! I completely agree with you i.e. I need to hear the defense to these allegations and of course that's not possible. I would just like to point out the timing of these accusations...years after his death when he can't respond. For me, that's a bit suspect. Thanks again for this great video!

I went into show business and started doing concerts at age 14, and my emotional and social development was seriously arrested at that age. I’m still learning how to be an adult. So I can only imagine what doing concerts from age eight would do to Michael’s development. I believe Michael’s development was arrested at eight and thus he felt confident and at ease with other little kids, because that’s how old he felt inside. In show business, you get used to a very unusual way of relating to people, because you’re on stage and everyone else is clapping for you and loving you - not the real you though, only the performer. Then you go home and you’re all alone again. It’s very extreme. You begin to get “off stage fright”. You know you can sing and play but how do you talk to people? I’ve got fourteen years of normal life to draw on, but Michael only had seven or eight years, and those years were far from normal. Plus he was a million times more famous than I ever was. Maybe children were the only people who related to him as a person and not just a celebrity.

@1DaTJo

3 жыл бұрын

Lizzie Allen yes! Exactly.

@Mb-eo6bg

3 жыл бұрын

A handful of people enter careers in showbiz at a young age but not all of them are asking young boys to sleepover without their parents for who knows how many nights.

@1DaTJo

3 жыл бұрын

Bb 8 I hear what you’re saying. I saw a book MJJ gave one of his child friends and it was called “Boy”; full of photos of naked prepubescent boys. I thought it looked very pedo. I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but he doesn’t make it easy...

@KidsWithGuns1992

3 жыл бұрын

Hence why he could’ve easily been a pedophile - he could not relate to adults whatsoever, but only children. It’s pretty logical.

@KidsWithGuns1992

3 жыл бұрын

Bb 8 yes, I can’t understand how people are so naive here. He had kids staying with him in his bed - yes that can be done innocently, but an adult spending majority of their time with kids, in locked rooms, or bedrooms, never having a proper adult relationship, his kids weren’t even his biologically. It’s very obvious he was either a pedophile, or asexual with the mind of a child.

The only unbiased, nor emotionally driven review I've heard so far. Thank you, you have my respect!

@matts4750

3 жыл бұрын

That is why I like Dr. Grande's channel. Even when he is going to catch a lot of flak he is still honest and sticks to the facts as they are known (since a lot of the facts never become public knowledge).

@keannaiharris

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely I throughly appreciate this...

@hinglemccringleberry7265

3 жыл бұрын

Normally I like Dr. Grande's reviews and analysis. But not this one. I found the movie not boring at all and I feel like Grande misses the bigger picture about the kind of offender Michael might have been. The master criminal theory is not in that movie at all imo. I don't know what Grande watched but this time I can see he was previously biased. The offender Michael might have been is not a master criminal but more of a naive pedophile with too much power and an unique way of grooming based on his persona. I would have expected a totally different kind of analyses even though Grande does make some reasonable points.

@jeffreyking4448

3 жыл бұрын

@@hinglemccringleberry7265 My sentiment exactly! Whether you believe the victims or not.... how in the world do you find the documentary boring? Seems disingenuous.

@iamcasihart

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreyking4448 How do you *not* find it boring? At least 30% of the “documentary” is repeated drone shots from high in the sky. It just goes on and on. Also, I was born in 1978, and like Dr. G, I lived this in real time. I remember everything as it occurred. I remember Michael being my first favorite artist, my first crush, my first huge confusion over his ever-changing appearance and the constant tabloid reports. I remember when the first accusations happened and, on live television, Michael (via satellite from his home) spoke out and urged the world to allow him to prove his innocence. Then, I recall that he settled, rather than doing so. As a lifelong, hardcore MJ and Janet fan (I honestly do not love any artists more than them), I recall feeling conflicted and questioning his innocence. That went on for a number of years, though it never deterred my adoration for his craft. Still, I doubted him. I recall when the Basher documentary was aired. It looked so bad. Michael seemed so lost and so opposite of the man I’d loved from the age of 2. It was difficult to look at him. It hurt my spirit. It was painful to imagine all of the craziness. But, again, I watched and lived all of this stuff in real time, and I’m leaving out things, as there’s just so damn much (his marriage and on/off relationship with Lisa Marie, his absurd sham of a marriage to Debbie because she was his surrogate and he was still seeing Lisa Marie, how he looked and seemed at his celebration that was filmed in NYC just a day or two before the 911 attacks, etc). Phew. There’s more to unpack than I have the energy. But NONE of it was boring. This movie is one-sided trash with absolutely no evidence, and though it shouldn’t exist at all, if it had to, it should’ve been 90 minutes, at most. Finally, I have read, watched, and listened to every piece of evidence from the State of California and the FBI files, as related to Michael Jackson and these allegations. It took a long damn time to do, but I did it. And, finally, Wade Robson is a snake in the grass. Just a few years before this “documentary,” he can be found singing Michael’s praises and insisting he will be apart of the Vegas show that was created. Wade was not hired or used for said gig. Wade is not a honest or noble person. Read up and learn about him. He’s after money. That’s a fact. He feels entitled to said money. As for Safechuck, he just seems easily swayed and desperate, too.

Another skillful analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande.

I'm very late watching this video but I'm glad to have thought to search your channel to see if you had any analysis about Michael Jackson while eating my lunch. I'm older than you so I've followed Michael's career off and on over the years starting from the very beginning. I had a huge crush on him as a child of probably 10 years old. I remember having a dream that I met him. Eventually, I did meet him in SF when The Jackson's had a press conference at the Hyatt Regency in SF in 1978 or 1979 to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of them being in show business or of their first record or something like that. Very few people were there and I felt terrible that there wasn't more of a to do for the event. Shortly after that Michael's solo career took off. But I digress. I truly didn't want to think that Michael could hurt children and I think your analysis has helped me to no longer think he was guilty so I have you to thank for this. One aspect of his life that I think is important but hasn't been talked about is what about his relationships with women? Do pedophiles have sex with women? If I recall correctly, Lisa Presley said that she had sex with Michael and didn't other women in his life say they had sex with him? Isn't that pertinent information? Oh, one last thing I want to say; I really like that you said how important it is to tell the truth because one's credibility can be destroyed in an instant. So, true.

Even if Michael Jackson didn’t do it, the fact that he had young boys spending the night at his house without other parents around, and in his bed, is just weird. That crosses so many boundaries in itself.

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you like to preume they were on their own? It is very obvious that their parents were always there too Fact. If you can prove they weren't, go for it. Tabloid media won't count.

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

Go and watch SQUARE ONE MJ on Amazon Prime or here about the first ever false accuser. Then quit your tabloid fed speculations.

@victaylor1

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't sleep in the bed with them but the parents certainly didn't have an issue with it.

@dragonflysteampunk4266

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you. I would NEVER have let my child have a sleepover/s with an adult. I don't care how famous or rich the fucker was. It's a major red flag. Having said that... Michael was an oddball. He lost his childhood thanks to mean Joe. But I really don't think he sexually abused any children. Not 1 famous rich person/ child has ever said he touched them. Like the Doc says, He should not of settled. I understand it was a nightmare for Michael, but think about this too... If you were 100% convinced your child was molested, would you want Money, or would you want that person in prison so they can never do this to another child? The parents of the child were perfectly happy taking the 22M. Now.... what if he were guilty..... I guess that makes the parents Pimps! Shame on them!!!!! I still believe to this day Michael was the victim. He was a strange man that acted like a child in many ways. Immature. Trying perhaps to have the experience of what normal children have in the sleepover thing, and making friends. Strange.... yes. But that alone does not make him a pedophile.

@NickiTwix

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragonflysteampunk4266 one of the main reasons he settled was because his team and lawyers advised him too because if a case goes to civil court before a criminal court then all the evidence would have to be laid out and if the accusers team had inconsistencies and holes in their story they could then change dates and evidence and that would leave Michaels defence going in blind. It makes complete sense that he would want to pay them. It’s strange to me that even when the 1993 accusations went to court the parents didn’t want to be involved anymore and refused to testify

I cannot wrap my mind around parents letting their kids spend the night with him, or really spend much time at all with him. You are a parent. Protecting your children is your job. Do your damn job.

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

The FACT is that they were also always there, in every room with their own children. Imagine that? Fool.

@dingfeldersmurfalot4560

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah but my child's orifices could make me a MILLIONAIRE!!!!!!!!

@toughntiny

3 жыл бұрын

Well, people shouldn’t molest kids either.

@flashdancemacabre

3 жыл бұрын

@@toughntiny michael didnt molest anyone.

@liapink24

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know that there are evil in the world?

Hello, so far I enjoyed watching your take on MJ as well as others. I think you gave a fair analysis regarding the documentary. Too add my own thoughts and opinion regarding MJ is that although I think he was eccentric because of the way that industryś demanding ways, as well as his fatherś need for them to succeed however, I do not think he would hurt anyone especially children. Here is the thing why I think that, the reason he loved being around children, ( especially little boys) is because he never got to be a kid and play like children do. I can innerstand that because I love babies, especially from ages 0-6 years of age, cause they are sooo cuddly, soft, cute and funny to me. Hell I am not going to lie, sometimes when I see children out and about playing freely without a care in the world I wish I could join them. Another reason he loves being around children is because adult life can be so uptight, judgmental, indoctrinating and stressful as well as demanding and being child like represents the total opposite. More importantly, MJ was one of a kind truly beautiful soul that most adults cannot believe exist anymore with all the corruption, immoral, and hate filled people in the world. RIP MJ you are greatly missed. Love u and thank you for being the change I would love to see in this world.

@msovaz77

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I think he was child like and innocent himself, and he was a victim of his father and all those wishing to take advantage of him. His kids adore him still, that says a lot.

@donaldbarber3829

Жыл бұрын

@@msovaz77 I think people overstate the idea he was childlike. He clearly cultivated that persona, but he didn't really lean into it until the Thriller aura had largely faded. He clearly relished being considered an eccentric but he didn't seem prepared for how people would react to his romantic overtures to two women who really did consider him little more than a boy only to switch gears and "pursue" Brooke Shields (and I've heard multiple takes on that story,, but Brooke insisted he had no romantic interest in her at all). It's hard to sort through all the rumors. There are members of the black entertainment community like D.L.Hughley who insist that black people heard an extremely different set of rumors and that he was fond of one night stands with black women. He definitely liked wine, and he was certainly not drug-free, although much of that was painkillers and later tranquilizers. He had adult friends for much of his adult life, although some of them were more spiritual mentors than just pals (Rabbi Boteach and Deepak Chopra clearly viewed that as their role). Although I admit that I don't believe every single accuser is lying, that is an endless debate. It's very difficult for people to admit that there could be a mixture of truth and falsehood in everyone's account of what was already a messy situation. But even if Michael was just a big kid at heart, he could have handled things differently. He didn't need to have children in his bedroom (and don't tell me about the setup at Neverland; he did the same thing on tour and at apartments he rented long-term, and he most definitely slept in the same bed, and often), he didn't need to keep them up late eating candy and playing video games, he didn't need to give huge amounts of money and gifts to their parents, just so they could essentially move in with him. This wasn't childlike innocence; this was wanting what he wanted and doing what he had to do to get it.

@testtest2609

Жыл бұрын

MJ appears to be innocent. Perps tend to have a high lifetime victim count and even experts said MJ had an abnormally low victim count not consistent with a perp profile. He was most likely a blackmail victim & scapegoat thrown to appease the public to protect the real perps in high society.

@agnieszkakry8056

Жыл бұрын

@@donaldbarber3829 Which normal parent will let their kids spend nights alone with older man? FBI found nothing, he wasn't charged. Let him rest in peace. They accuse him now because he is dead and can't defend himself.

@donaldbarber3829

Жыл бұрын

@@agnieszkakry8056 The FBI never conducted a formal investigation of Michael Jackson. They had a file because a number of things happened that they got involved with. They assisted the state police at their request both due to having more advanced analytical techniques and because a few times the LAPD needed someone questioned who was in a different state or even out of the country. They also investigated death threats and at least one case of blackmail on the star's behalf. Ultimately the FBI's file doesn't in and of itself mean anything except that he was famous and they were asked to look into a few very specific things on a number of parties behalf.

I really learn a lot and enjoy watching Dr Grande's videos. He is so clear in his explanations, logic and discussion of a situation. Dr Grande is clinically astute, kindly humble and so down to earth that he does not put us off at all with arrogance or self-righteousness. I remain impressed with the depth of his research and awareness of various situations and diagnosis and consider him a fantastic reference point when we need to understand how or why people do what they do. Please keep the videos coming, Dr. Grande!

I remember years after Michael Jackson's death. One of his body guards answered a question "Did Michael Jackson have a secret room?" The guard said "before Michael Jackson moved into mansion it was owned by a rich person. That person had a safe room installed. When Michael Jackson moved in, the safe room was used when people would drop into the grounds. Michael Jackson would gather his family, and stay in the safe room." The person asked the guard "what do you mean drop into the grounds?" The guard replied "people would use a parachute."

@Mortthemoose

Жыл бұрын

Wow!!! That's crazy!! The MJ superfans always scared me!!

most children don't reveal their abuse until they're adults because they feel guilty, and when they comprehend what happened, they don't want anyone to know

@MrsCreepylullaby

10 ай бұрын

Wade was 22 when he testified for MJ. Still very possible that a victim doesn’t realize what actually happens until very later on in their life, I don’t think dr. G denied that

I came to the same conclusion, and I will add this: To me, it is suspicious that these two accusers waited until Michael was dead. It makes me suspect their motives as being purely financial gain; perhaps justified by them telling themselves it can't hurt Michael because he's no longer here. Regardless, again I concur, it's tragic.

@McYaballow

Жыл бұрын

There is nothing that suggests that the two specifically waited for Michael to pass away. Both Safechuck and Robson explain in the documentary that the phase of having their own children is what significantly contributed to helping them recognize and accept that they indeed were abused by Michael. That being said it is not unusual for victims to come forward after the perpetrator is no longer present; just take a look at Jimmy Saville's case. Are you to suggest that the hundreds of alleged Saville's victims were also driven by financial gain?

@Angela-gc3kr

Жыл бұрын

@@McYaballow B.S. Both are opptunist vultures. And so are their families.

@michaeljacksonsaguiltypref3600

Жыл бұрын

@@McYaballow exactly

@Preservestlandry

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe Micheal can't hurt them because he's dead.

@ifoodsservices

9 ай бұрын

​@@McYaballow So hundreds of alleged victims came forward to testify in Jimmy Saville's case and in Michael Jackson's case where are the hundreds? Where are they? If Michael were guilty why will it be only 2 to 5 people? Why don't you use your head? Even though the handwriting is on the wall yet people with wicked and malicious intent keep peddling lies. Ample investigations were clearly carried out and nothing was found. Michael was being monitored for several years, also his house was turned upside down yet nothing was found. Even his accusers told blatant lies which were proved beyond all reasonable doubts to be lies. One of these accusers said Michael molested him at the train house at Neverland when he was a certain age in a certain year. It was found that the train house had not been built at the year he mentioned when he was that age. And a host of other allegations that don't add up. These accusers will end up going to jail if they keep pushing it because what they are doing is criminal offence.

Very interesting perspective 👌🏾. I enjoyed this, thanks for sharing.

Also of note: one of the maids, and one of the star “witnesses” in that movie, was fired by Michael in the 90s (I believe- don’t quote me on exact dates) and subsequently lost a lawsuit and was sued by Jackson. I couldn’t think of a more believable motive. Every single person who accused him of anything had something to gain. And those who didn’t need the money or fame- at least not as much(Macaulay Caulkin, Corey Feldman, and Aaron Carter), said their relationship was one of the purest, safest, and most innocent in their young lives.

@brownin329

3 жыл бұрын

Probably Adrienne McManus. She was fired for stealing a lot from Michael's property. Blanca Francia was a maid that was with Michael in the 1980s.

@candyjohnson3302

3 жыл бұрын

MJ was a pedophile, but keep fooling yourself into believing he was a normal guy.

@YurinanAcquiline

3 жыл бұрын

@@candyjohnson3302 He was just a weirdo, not a paedo. A really big weirdo.

@grace-mh5pr

3 жыл бұрын

yep!

@grace-mh5pr

3 жыл бұрын

also most people found accusing him have literal paper trails of being money hungry and dishonest!

Interesting that Corey Feldman went to the police about Hollywood predators who targeted him, cops asked him specifically about MJ and Feldman flat out said he’d never been abused by him.

@sandervanduijvenbode5541

3 жыл бұрын

Cause that.... still... would kill his 'career' in hollywood... whatever is left of it anyway.

@ausgamecollector

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandervanduijvenbode5541 It would have back then, but that reasoning doesn’t make sense in context: If he was that afraid of his career being killed in Pedowood, he never would’ve gone to the cops to begin with.

@ausgamecollector

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandervanduijvenbode5541 Yeah but Corey’s been on that train since forever.. The fact the authorities won’t name the other people he’s asked to and he can’t name them on TV but the name “Michael Jackson” has been published in relation to interfering with children, since he was alive (and was still the living king of pop) should raise alarm bells if nothing else. It wouldn’t have hurt Corey’s career as much as it would’ve attributed to MJ’s already damaged reputation. If Feldman is to be believed, he did name names to the authorities at the time and they didn’t believe him, nor did they pursue those allegations at the time.

@burbanpoison2494

3 жыл бұрын

He also said flat out that he never abused the "Angels" himself. They said otherwise. Corey Feldman is a lunatic. I have video of him thinking he can play the drums on my channel. Go look at it. He is a world-class narcissist.

@burbanpoison2494

3 жыл бұрын

@@ausgamecollector the idea that Michael Jackson was his best friend and not his abuser is central to Corey Feldman's identity. Maybe it's true. Having seen Corey Feldman play his emotional drama out in front of a crowd that was mostly laughing directly in his face, I really doubt Corey has things straight in his head.

I appreciate the objective analysis in this video. During 2019 I was really disappointed at the number of people who watched leaving neverland and ignored how one sided it was and assume Michael Jackson’s guilt. I’ve always been skeptical about the molestation accusations leveled at Jackson. They always had the smell of being financially motivated. Of course it’s impossible for me to say with absolute certainty what happened because I wasn’t there and the available evidence isn’t enough to draw a conclusion that goes beyond the shadow of doubt. But at the same time some of Jackson’s choices did him no favors. The decision to settle the 1993 civil case rather than prove his innocence and the time he spent with kids don’t look good on the most basic optics level and they made him appear to be an easy target to an unscrupulous operator. I do think there could be an interesting deep dive into how Jackson became the kinda guy who always felt that affinity with children. something I assume was a result of a childhood spent in the spotlight, which invariably robbed him of a normal childhood and left him as an ultra wealthy man trying to reclaim his lost childhood in his thirties and forties. Everyday people have a particular reaction when wealthy and famous people use their money to gain access to people significantly younger than themselves. When it’s an old rich man essentially buying the affection of a beautiful woman in her twenties a combination of disgust and envy is common. But when it’s a grown man using his wealth and fame to hang out with kids in their tween years bits not hard to frame that as the actions of a groomer. It makes me wonder if anyone on Jackson’s staff urged him to reconsider based on how it might look. Somehow I doubt anyone on his payroll dared to have that discussion with him based on a desire to not compromise their source of income. And even if someone tried it’s unlikely he’d have listened.

@evem620

10 ай бұрын

Michael Jackson was killed by the forces that be. They are the ones who paid for this campaign to tarnish his image. Notice how this doc was released just before the 10 year anniversary of his death? I’m convinced of this more than ever, he said it many times that these people were going to kill him one day. Please believe me, this is not a conspiracy.

@armurph1102

8 ай бұрын

Michael Jackson's attorney's talked him into settling that 1993 civil lawsuit out of court. He had also disclosed to his attorney's how much it would break his heart to force a completely innocent child to testify(lie) under oath, in a court of law. He knew that the child had been traumatized enough by his own parents and putting him on the witness stand would only further traumatize the child. It is so disgusting that people would actually emotionally and psychologically abuse their own child/children just for money. What so many people did to Michael Jackson is so heartbreaking.

I'm late here but this is a very well thought out video Dr Grande

As someone who was a victim of abuse since childhood I understand how victims can not understand what they experience was abuse, I was in my 40’s before I could come to that realization. But I never changed my story, I always knew and could tell anyone exactly what had happened. I don’t want to claim a person who is a victim is just trying to manipulate the system. At the same time people who put out false claims ruin it for those of us who are real victims. I will never be able to come to a real conclusion about MJ.

@lenkacfk7155

2 жыл бұрын

I saw some of their interviews in Leaving Neverland, and I think that they definitely knew what happened, but that Michael managed to persuade them that he needed their help to save him, and their protection against the accusations - so he cast them as the heroes in their own little fantasyland, and that's why they denied all the charges back then. I found that quite believable - but then, I am neither a psychologist, nor an abuse victim, so I wouldn't know to which point you could actually be gaslit into defending your abuser.

@ladylaois8184

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Thanks 🙏 for adding. I lost l my son age 39 two years ago. He told me the year before he died what happened to him age 7. He sadly self harmed and took meds and didn’t deal with it to well. I know what he went through. You have to be so strong to carry abuse.

@lenkacfk7155

2 жыл бұрын

@@ladylaois8184 , I'm so sorry for your loss!

@lomix1106

2 жыл бұрын

@@lenkacfk7155 For me, when I watched the documentary for the first time without having any prior knowledge I initially found it believable. But then I started doing research. The explanation they said in the doc of being manipulated and why they changed their story is believable until you actually read court docs. They changed their stories about 6 times over the course of their lawsuits alone. Their stories kept evolving with each contradicting the last over the course of the lawsuit. Like looking back doc after reading court docs, there are many things that really do not make sense and they left out a lot. Like one that that really jumped out to me was Wade’s story of when he was first abused. When you read his and his mother’s depositions on Wade’s first claim of his abused it completely does not make sense.

@AC-mp7cx

2 жыл бұрын

Michael is definitely inncoent

I know he was very child like due to years of abuse, I've seen it a lot and actually deal with the same thing myself. He, however did not keep proper boundaries when interacting with kids and that is where all the issues stemmed from.

@calebpaulsen3159

4 жыл бұрын

AKA, child abuse...

@lorrainetavares1753

4 жыл бұрын

super geeky: exactly: it is a horrible crime which can perpetuate through many generations: ie: a generational curse which can only be broken by Jesus Christ: THE Saviour of the world, amen!!

@stefan2005stefan

4 жыл бұрын

All paedos have been paedoed

@lorrainetavares1753

4 жыл бұрын

@@calebpaulsen3159 E X A C T L Y: WELL SAID: SOOO OBVIOUS!!! "IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK", ETC!!!

@lorrainetavares1753

4 жыл бұрын

@Izabella Aof EXACTLY!!! Apparently MJ actually paid a lot of so called "parents" off to keep them quiet: "money talks" or in this case kept a lot of unbelievably greedy idiots who did not even care about their own precious children: QUIET!!! 😲😧😨😰😢😭😤

Thank you for these wonderful videos. Excellent content and easy to understand

I'm reminded a whole lot like Michael Jackason myself, as my childhood was cut short, due to disabilities and due to a neurological condition that which made me obeese. As a result, I was expected to grow up too God dam fast. And that while Michael Jackson did not suffer what I went through, in my childhood, his childhood was cut short, because of how famous he was and his abusive father! Thank You!

@an.d.m.a

Ай бұрын

Do you share your bed with other people's kids as well?

Okay, so I was skeptical to watch this. I haven't watched this gentleman before. That said, I was surprised at how well said this is. What he said, for me, was definitely thought provoking. Well done.

@philipphawk

Жыл бұрын

What conclusion did you end up reaching?

@koray2573

Жыл бұрын

@@philipphawk MJ fans are “flying monkeys” who will attack anyone who claims he’s guilty. The analysis was ultimately neutral which he didn’t expect from a “professional”.

@suee9059

8 ай бұрын

Michael Jackson has always been innocent of everything, as has been proven. These two guys are in financial trouble, and that's all this is about. If Michael were still living, you can bet your life, none of this would be happening. The truth is the truth is the truth!!

@TucoBenedicto

Ай бұрын

@@philipphawk Above anything else, that this "doctor" is full of crap.

Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the tv screen don’t make it factual..

@TheBCNetork1

3 жыл бұрын

*Though everybody wants to read all about it*

@carinamcallister9730

3 жыл бұрын

Okay but your whole experience with him would be completely over tv and magazines. So that makes your perspective also not factual. From the looks of it you’re young, so am I. That means it’s very likely that you have no personal experience with him at all. Your argument can completely be turned around against you, so think about that next time you post something that controversial. Also you are talking about pedophilia that’s a very sensitive topic.

@lyatfasil3287

3 жыл бұрын

Sally Ann See, this is the obvious issue. You guys come for his success, looks, etc. because you don’t have anything to support these claims. It’s come to the point where you take anything to support this false narrative of Michael Jackson. At this point it seems that you refuse to listen to the truth because you’ve probably said terrible things about him, so you decide to continue with your agenda to hide your mistakes.

@lyatfasil3287

3 жыл бұрын

Carina McAllister It’s from the song Tabloid Junkie. Your points don’t even add up or make any sense.

@lokisfriend

3 жыл бұрын

that is a two-way street right there

Dr. Grande, I love the way you handled M. J.'s case & post-death accusers. Thank you for this.

i was held to high expectations and abused at a young age, which has affected my wellbeing as I’ve been navigating adulthood. I grew up at a young age as a result of trauma, and lost contact with my inner child, and ability to be happy or enjoy anything, and i had a disdain for children and happy people. i started babysitting/nannying this year, and quickly realized that working with children is extremely fulfilling and rewarding to someone like me, because i can practice mindfulness and skills to help both the children and myself grow. i have unconditional love for the children, and i denied it out of fear of seeming creepy. but children are innocent, naturally happy, developing human beings and interacting with them has been the most fulfilling experience i’ve had. mj’s case is different, but im just explaining how older people can form positive healthy relationships with children

@saoirserubio536

Жыл бұрын

Dd you ever bring them into your bed?

@niloticnya

Жыл бұрын

@@saoirserubio536 no never. i’m affectionate when they want me to be and when they don’t, i enjoy using it as an opportunity to teach them how to enforce boundaries

@MONEYAINTATHANG100

Жыл бұрын

self proclaimed disdain of happy people and kids...appreciate your honesty 😲

15:40- Michael Jackson actually addressed this point in an interview. He said that his lawyers advised him to stop putting himself in a position to be extorted like this, but he indignantly maintained that since he is doing nothing wrong, there is no need for him to stop. It showed a spectacular naiveté that was sad to watch. They say he had Peter Pan Syndrome, stunted emotional growth. If that is the case, it would explain a lot.

@patricksachs3655

4 жыл бұрын

@Lizzie Allen Exactly. It´s also worth noting that there was never ever any physical evidence/traces of any sexual contact. All allegations came years later and all were preceded by extortion attempts.

@brownin329

4 жыл бұрын

He didn't have any Peter Pan syndrome. He was just a person that related well to children, but was around lots of people including a lot of adults. People only focus on children because it's salacious. If you have ever seen videos of Michael playing, you'd see he was really an adult being goofy rather than a person with some kind of syndrome.

@addie_is_me

3 жыл бұрын

@Lizzie Allen Damned if you do damned if you don't. What a bind with the stakes so high. You make a very good point. I can see feeling indignant if I was innocent and then following up by not changing my behaviour. Makes sense.

@richardkovacs2006

3 жыл бұрын

@@brownin329 Buddy, it was Dr. Stan Katz, the psychologist for the prosecution in 1993 and in the 2005 trial, who stated under oath, that based on what the accusers told him 10 years apart (1st the Chandler kid, then the Arvizo kids), that MJ had Peter Pan syndrome and was no way a pedophile. Read the 2005 trial scripts.

@slave2jayah

3 жыл бұрын

Patrick thank you for sharing this comment. He was sheltered and I believe that definitely lead to him being naive. Besides screaming fans and people wanting stuff from him he didn't get a lot of socialization to see what was normal and what wasn't. He said that kids didn't want anything from him, they had no bad intentions...But adults always wanted something from him.

I feel like Michael Jackson was the only one who didn't change his story every 5 minutes. His accusers and now people who worked for him seem to have very changeable accounts of what went down.

@O-M65

3 жыл бұрын

fact

@tister2360

3 жыл бұрын

Childhood trauma can critically impact memory. I have major gaps of my childhood that are missing from memory and sometimes the brain wants to fill in the gaps. It doesn't necessarily mean the abuse didn't happen, but certain details around the trauma can change.

@kittyticklehips

3 жыл бұрын

yeah well when you live in your own reality completely separate from the real world, it’s easy to paint your own narrative. that doesn’t mean he wasn’t a predator.

@tister2360

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe you didn't mean to come off as rude but it did hurt a little. As a childhood sexual assault victim, I don't "live in my own reality " just because some details may have changed. Was his shirt orange or yellow, I can't say exactly. As a child you don't have the vocabulary to describe certain events accurately. I was simply stating that perhaps the "story changed" as more memories came up or little details might change but the overall story is consistent. But I think MJ showed a lot of grooming behavior that I can't overlook.

@purpleviscosity2891

3 жыл бұрын

@@kittyticklehips I didn't say he wasn't a predator, I was referring to the people who have a financial gain in the situation changing their stories over and over again again.

I think if you go and look up videos of Tom Mesereau talking after the Leaving Neverland show, it shows the other side quite well. His lead investigator has interesting things to say also. None of us can ever hear Michael Jackson’s side now- but he stated his side of it many times in the past. Thank you for an interesting take on the show.

Dr. Grande, you crack me up. I'm glad you're not a fan of boring things. Same for me! :) With that said, I've watched several of your videos before landing on this one. I was scared to view it. Being an 80s baby, I grew up watching Michael Jackson on MTV and was a big fan in my teens. After this boring movie came out (which I didn't watch) I spent a considerable amount of time researching the allegations, previous cases, family history, inconsistencies, and even driving out to Neverland Ranch, I am convinced Michael Jackson is innocent. Thank you for presenting this case as unbiased as possible.

It is a pleasure to listen someone that makes me think, instead of trying to convince me, thank you !

@Rich_P_Anya

2 жыл бұрын

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@latiostech8822

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rich_P_Anya ...

@LiamL763

2 жыл бұрын

making you use your head is pretty fundamental to making any convincing argument

@LiamL763

2 жыл бұрын

@@torstenheling3830 I mean yeah anyone that has access to even basic cognition knows MJ was a monster.

@PJL7095

2 жыл бұрын

MJ was ‘smart enough’ to know which boys he needs to hold back on & which he can go all the way with. While he was best friends with Macaulay Caulkin, MJ knew to not cross the line with Caulkin because of his popularity. Now kids like James & Wade were kids not in the limelight so it would be easier for MJ to get away with it… in my opinion.

I graduated with a post graduate degree in documentary filmmaking, and I want to address a common misconception. Many people think that a documentary is supposed to provide all the information on a topic (ie: both sides of a story or all of the research), however the foundation of documentary film is simply non-fictional storytelling. Documentaries are just capturing life or a story as it is happening in real time. In the case of a film that is retelling the story after the event has occurred, you are more likely to have a lot of research and development prior to filming & as a result have more information provided. Documentary films should never be mistaken for or replacing investigations or research.

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

Or Court Documents, files & unadulterated evidence of expulpatory innocence. A tv film, made for profit, by two proven actor con -men & their equally, extremely nefarious 'director'.

@kallymcdonnell

3 жыл бұрын

@@Angela-gc3kr to be fair, James or Wade had zero financial gain from appearing in Leaving Neverland. Subjects and individuals can't earn any money from being featured in a documentary. The first thing we learn is that subjects should never ever be compensated for appearing in your film. And I looked into Dan Reed's audits, and neither James or Wade were paid.

@thecollector4332

3 жыл бұрын

@@kallymcdonnell The thing is that they are actually suing the MJ Estate for 1.5 billion dollars yet they claim their accusations have no financial motivation. Safechuck’s got dismissed a couple of months ago (for like the fifth time) and robson’s may be as well.

@kallymcdonnell

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecollector4332 yes, you are totally right. James and Wade could have pursued legal action & filed a lawsuit. However, a lawsuit and documentary are separate channels of income. I stated that they didn't receive any financial compensation from appearing in a documentary, and that is true. James and Wade were not paid by the filmmakers for appearing as subjects / giving testimony, they do not own the documentary, and they have no rights to any residual profit of the film. If either of the men have financial profits from a lawsuit to the MJ estate, then they would be receiving income form the lawsuit & that is not money earned from the documentary. I hope that makes sense.

@thecollector4332

3 жыл бұрын

@@kallymcdonnell I completely understand that, but the point is that they have lied insisting they have nothing to gain from the estate and that they aren’t doing what they are doing for money. Wade at first pursued a book deal for crying out loud.

A very close friend of mine told my brother and i once how he had been abused by a family member. We had know eachother our whole lives, our first memories where made together in fact. One day in our early 20s, in his truck, at a redlight he out of the blue told us this story about his cousin and how everytime he went to his cousins the man would do these things to him. He said his father caught them one day, and how he was afraid because he thought he was introble. He said he felt it was all wrong, but believed whole heatedly that he was the one doing something bad, but didn't want to hurt or upset is adult cousin (maybe uncle i don't remember now) but man, my best friend, and i can remember those days when his cousin would watch him and he would come over after getting home, and hangout. None of us could tell, we would run off in the woods, buld onto our tree house, light little fries, just do our kid shit only hours after he was just abused. Never knew until that day at that red light

MJ was coached for years on his performance techniques. He obviously needed coaching and counseling to upgrade his naivety of the dangers that devisive persons can stage against affluent people.

@ivonnemeza5237

Ай бұрын

Guess no one advice him to stop grabbing his crotch on stage. Yet the parents still let their boys sleep with that crotch grabber. Just went blind eye on that red flag. What kind of pure heart man is that? Couldn't take his own hands on stage.

Money money money money, money. Some people will do anything for it.

@fukase861

3 жыл бұрын

Debbie Smith its already 2020 and you still believe that sh!t 🙄 have you ever heard about gavin arvizo wrote a letter to his teacher about how he lied that mj didnt molest him??? please do some research or watch mj documentaries

@wilsonmenezes5054

3 жыл бұрын

@Debbie Smith Dude, people 4get to mention these children never slept alone at Michael Jackson's two floorsuite, there were always other adults around and girls as well. Michael always slept upstairs. They like to dirty things and say there were only boys. There were always girls as well.

@duanedibbley258

3 жыл бұрын

Arthur Summers not according to the testimony of his defence witnesses, Bret Barnes, Wade Robson and Macaulay Culkin in the 2005 trial. It’s not even disputed by MJ himself that he had spent HUNDREDS of nights ALONE sharing a bed overnight with pre pubescent boys.

@wilsonmenezes5054

3 жыл бұрын

@@duanedibbley258 Michael Jackson never shared his bed entirely alone with any boy. If you really were aware of the real situation regarding the 2005 Trial you would know that.

@mysticheart1049

3 жыл бұрын

Duane Dibbley Liar liar pants on fire! If you don’t want karma to bite you in the behind and have you falsely accused of a serious crime, then stop lying about innocent people. All of those children have said he was an angel to them and never hurt them. It’s their greedy evil parents who will pay the price. Using such a disgusting claim to exploit their children for money. They will never have peace of mind.

The thing is when you are in an abusive relationship, if you "love" that person you will deny that they did anything wrong. It's when you are able to come to terms with it, it's when you can talk about it openly. At least that was how it was for me.

@faithhope6891

4 жыл бұрын

SynnJynn Wick denies it day 1

@lil7693

4 жыл бұрын

There is no way a child loves his child molester , no freaking way , u ppl r not fooling me LOLZ

@stephaniebm

4 жыл бұрын

World AL You probably just don’t know many cases of molested children. It’s horrible, but more often than you think the children fall in love with their abuser and only acknowledge their situation long after it’s over.

@richardkovacs2006

4 жыл бұрын

@@stephaniebm However, there are people, who MOCK real victims... for their own gain. Remember the Salem girls? There were 2 girls, who accused a few people with being the devils servants and practically abusing them. And people believed them, because they showed the symptoms... Over a hundred people suffered because of two girls wanted attention....

@jaredwilliams6853

4 жыл бұрын

I was abused and think he didn’t do it he had house staff on the estate all the time the mothers hopefully can’t be that stupid so they must have trusted him.

Doc has leveled up in every way possible. Equipment-wise and his outline for presentation, dope looking new back drop, post production. Love you forever Dr. Grande.

And this is JUST the film! If you do ALL research on this he’s pretty much 100% innocent

i think some people forget that wade and james mentioned another childhood friend of michael claiming he was abused as well to back their stories up ... but this guy responded saying that no he was actually never molested and that wade and james were lying and literally sued them

@OttawaNow

3 жыл бұрын

@john doe Go look up Brett Barnes.

@diamoradiaz4287

3 жыл бұрын

@john doe well you have to look around, people is not going to be making the task for you. I searched a lot of stuff and I just let it go, but I know that if I look again I would find, just go ahead and research deeply, KZread will be helping you to do the task, they will be sending you pros-and-cons videos, people who are defending him, and against him, so then you can make your decision. There are people from all kind of filds all kind of careers, all kind of backgrounds, people who are fans, people who are no fans, and a lot of stories that they analyze and show details of their analysis. I concluded Michael was innocent You can conclude different from different sources, but you had to see both sides, as the doctor says, if this documentary was so true why it is not showing the other side?.

I have to disagree in regards to law enforcement being viewed as competent; I work with several victims of childhood sexual trauma who had law enforcement drop the ball, in regards to the crimes committed. It's not an uncommon commentary; I myself was a victim of childhood sexual trauma by an adult and when law enforcement was notified, they took a report and it didn't go any farther than that. It's probably the most egregious category of lack of justice within the US legal system.

@dotkiarika1026

3 жыл бұрын

Right? The FBI investigating him and saying he's innocent means absolute shit to me when the person being investigated was one of the richest, most powerful people in world.

@DannyOmu

3 жыл бұрын

The FBI aren't local PD.....I would assume their 90%+ conviction rates are due to the in depth investigations they produce. Your local law enforcement are generally useless.

@DannyOmu

3 жыл бұрын

sorry about your experience btw

@earrth911

3 жыл бұрын

@@dotkiarika1026 prove it.

@TheHiphopgems

3 жыл бұрын

The Lapd and Santa Barbara police interviewed more than 400 people, MJ was raided two times, the fbi was involved also, and there were two grand juries and one criminal jury.

A very helpful analysis Dr Grande.

Question: why out of all the rich and famous celebrities, did people "pick on" Michael Jackson in terms of allegations? Michael at the very minimum was naiive/foolish in the way he acted. The parents too were starstruck and idiotic too- those were more trusting times perhaps.

"Excruciatingly boring movie..." *rolls eyes and shakes head* LMAO Killing me, Dr. Grande.

@FiaBoomSchack

22 күн бұрын

"Tell me you're autistic without telling me you're autistic"😂😂😂

Michael Jackson did seem to have a very child like personality because of his childhood.

@superneilcomics8196

3 жыл бұрын

@@pinkpugginz i was saying he was not a pediphile.he did not do anything to those boys.

@jenniferatwood567

3 жыл бұрын

I watched some interviews of ppl who worked and produced him.. and they swear he was some kind an angel.. a creature.. not capable of the sinister deeds he's been accused of.

@shazzyfez6737

3 жыл бұрын

He wasn't child like. Just watch a rehearsal video and he's a stern taskmaster. Very much an adult

@superneilcomics8196

3 жыл бұрын

@@shazzyfez6737 it does not prove anything. Someone can have a child like personality and still seem like an adult in certain situations.

@shazzyfez6737

3 жыл бұрын

@@superneilcomics8196 switching back and forth?! Like Jekyll and Hyde 🤣🤣🤣

I don't think MJ looked at little boys and wanted to be with them. I think he looked at little boys and wanted to BE them. He finally got the opportunity to be the child he was not allowed to be when he was a child and took it to another level. He was surrounded by a bunch of well paid "yes" people who did not make him aware of how he was being perceived by the world. Even his family didn't call out his behavior. He had mental health issues that never got addressed. He wanted people to see him as a big, fun kid. He did not understand that he was seen as a grown man who looked silly skipping around his large property like a child. Nobody wanted to disturb their finances by saying "no, you need to cut this out. It's just weird". Not even medical doctors would say "no" to providing fatal doses of drugs. A sad ending to what could have been a blemish free legacy.

@pookieslush

20 күн бұрын

I understand what you’re saying but in a way you are infantilising a 40 year old man. He’s FOURTY. And has grown up in a very adult industry. He knows how he’s being perceived by sleeping with little boys, he’s not dumb.

I’m late to the party, but I feel that somebody have to point out that an adult man should not be sleeping in a bed with young boys unless he’s related to them. There’s something wrong with that in itself, whether or not he touched them.

@CJCreativeJuice

4 ай бұрын

Watch his interview talking about this. It’s you that’s making it sexual.

I once read an interview with Meryl Streep. She said she was once in the same dressing room as Michael Jackson and she asked him what happened. He looked at her dead in the face with tears in his eyes and told her that he created Neverland so disadvantaged children could have the childhood he never had. He said something like, "I wanted to make the world a better place for children but now its all been ruined by them." And then he started crying and Streep cried with him and they bawled their eyes out in that room. So ever since then, she is a staunch believer in his innocence. After reading this, I believe in his innocence, too. I don't understand why it's hard for people to get their minds around the fact that MJ liked the company of children more then say....women? If anyone has seen or watched biographies of his childhood, they'll come away with one single fact. MJ NEVER had a childhood. He was a money-making machine for his father since 5! Imagine working and being around adults your whole life. He never had sleepover parties, he never had parties full stop. His health was ruined while working (he was burnt pretty badly during the commercial, that is a LOT of pain to deal with). He had all this money and the only thing he really wanted was his childhood back. You don't think after finally getting away from his father and having all this money, he would want to live vicariously through the children that he befriended? That's just my take.

@alienblue9543

2 жыл бұрын

Oh please ! Liars are real good at FAKE tears. GMAFB ! Oh he's innocent cuz...Meryl ! Really ? His house keeper said she saw him in the shower nude with a child. Is she lying ?

@kkeegan32

2 жыл бұрын

I also think that was a lot of the reason why he did so much to his face with plastic surgery. I think every time he saw a glimpse of his father Joe in his own face he wanted to cut that part of his face right out... so his was more than just an addiction to plastic surgery. Or some attempt to "whiten" himself.

@melymichu6731

2 жыл бұрын

Sexual abusers are manipulators. I am a victim of sexual abuse and on the outside the individual was praised and seen an innocent man.

@qty1315

2 жыл бұрын

South Park actually raised a pretty good point about whether or not he's innocent or guilty when Cartman uses the same arguments people used about him just wanting a childhood and doing so by using children he befriended, with there being nothing sexual at all going on. It doesn't matter why he was doing what he was doing. He was a grown adult with adult responsibilities and children of his own to take care of. His weirdness was not appropriate, whether it was sexual or not, and enabling his behavior because you sympathized with his situation just makes him worse. Whether or not he was abusing children, he needed therapy and professional help, not to be allowed to do whatever he wanted unchallenged. In fact, his weirdness would eventually lead to his death.

@qty1315

2 жыл бұрын

@@daliakm178 I think that separating the art from the art means that whatever he did or who he was shouldn't reflect on his art. I hate Polanski, but Chinatown is one of my favorite movies, for instance. Whatever Michael did (I'm sure that he did mention kissing one of the boys at one point) shouldn't mean that you can't appreciate Thriller.

He’s so annoyed at the fact it was 4 hours I can’t blame him 😂😂

Respect for this, very very good analysis.

Really interesting and well reasoned. I started reading thinking MJ was guilty and wound up knowing I just didn’t know. However, I do think the person who wrote about his Asperger syndrome made some interesting comments and so did you, Dr. Grande. Thanks.

“It’s not going to take 4 hours like it did in the movie”. 😂

@fightersfan5363

3 жыл бұрын

Four hours of everything but the facts,

@hideofreakingkojima5457

3 жыл бұрын

@@fightersfan5363 Everything but with facts if you don't include the other eyewitnesses that goes against what the documentary is saying.

@fightersfan5363

3 жыл бұрын

@@hideofreakingkojima5457 could you add to that?

@miriamkiss

3 жыл бұрын

@@fightersfan5363 watch Square One please. You'll know the truth. Whenever you want. ✌🏼

@fightersfan5363

3 жыл бұрын

@@miriamkiss yeah I’m on your side man. I’ll watch it.

Its just weird for a grown ass man to "share his bed" with children no matter how you look at it.

@lovecraftscat5044

3 жыл бұрын

MJ fans try to excuse the bed sharing by one way or another. I’d say that if any other grown man were sharing a bed with a child that wasn’t their own child, but even that to a degree, would be considered suspicious.

@joepsips787

3 жыл бұрын

@@lovecraftscat5044 suspicious and guilty of sexual abuse are two different things though.

@nahmirpeppermint778

3 жыл бұрын

michael has stated that he’s slept on the floor

@c3po978

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. It’s definitely weird. I feel like most people would agree. It doesn’t make him guilty of literally molesting kids though.

@Chael040

3 жыл бұрын

It might be for you. But for MJ he was deprived completely of his childhood. He never had friends to play with. His childhood consisted of abusive strict practicing. He has said several times he is childish and sees himself as peter pan, he made a huge play ranch in his home which says a lot. Even his voice was always that of a child. According to psych when a child doesn't complete a developmental phase healthily, It will follow as an adult. So for that sort of circumstances I don't find it weird he liked to play with children. In fact I find it weird he kept his selfless nature despite all.

"I'm not a fan of boring things." -Dr. Grande

"I'm not fan of boring things." I feel ya bruh 😄

I never thought Michael Jackson was guilty of child abuse. He was guilty of simply being weird. I saw MJ as a person who never had a real childhood and tried to create his childhood after becoming famous. The name of his ranch is a good indicator that MJ never wanted to grow up. As for the parents, every one of them failed to show good judgment regardless by allowing their children to stay overnight at the ranch.

@johnb.8687

2 жыл бұрын

If you google, was Michael Jackson really a child molester, then you will be shocked at the amount of matter of fact information that he indeed was. And I say that as a fan, I have all his records. It stings alittle at first but once you read into it you will feel a bit like an idiot for ever thinking he was innocent. Good luck god speed

@Angela-gc3kr

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnb.8687 What Court documents have you read? ''Matter of fact'' infor? Do tell Troll because if you were indeed a fan or even a supporter you'd know he is totally innocent..but that wouldn't suit your agenda now would it? What records,? because I have read them all 😈

@johnb.8687

2 жыл бұрын

@@Angela-gc3kr Michael claimed his whole life he was a heterosexual male. Yet no Michael Jackson fan in the world can name 5 women he slept with. Elvis had no problem with women. So go ahead Angela name 5 women Michael slept with. Good luck hahah

@johnb.8687

2 жыл бұрын

@@Angela-gc3kr Being found not guilty doesn’t mean innocent. Remember oj simpsons was found not guilty.

@johnb.8687

2 жыл бұрын

@@Angela-gc3kr You said the word *court documents* wow I’m soo impressed

You really handled this is a fair, unbiased way. After hearing this, I don’t know either. I didn’t see the movie. I don’t think I want to. Thank you.

@ShakShak1999

4 жыл бұрын

From the person that saw the movie and did his research. Leaving Neverland is just a one-sided documentary that doesn't have no evidence or anything to backup the claim that Michael Jackson molested children

@howard1beale

4 жыл бұрын

It's a real waste of 4 hours. I only managed to watch an hour of it and that was more than enough

@katrinetroelsen

3 жыл бұрын

@MARIAMA BARRY Yes the mens experiences is not proof (that was sarcasm in case you were wondering). You probably also believe Bill Cosby is innocent.

@ginoyesano5649

3 жыл бұрын

@@katrinetroelsen But we can't look into their heads if it was their actual experience or made up. I mean other men had the experience Michael was innocent. Should what they say be proof too? Just because they say it was their experience? I don't think so

@brownin329

3 жыл бұрын

@@katrinetroelsen An accusation is not proof. How would you like it if we went around saying you were a child diddler without proof? What would you hope people would do? Believe us because we said so? That would be stupid. Thank God that is not how this country is supposed to run. Look up Due Process.

You do know that sex crime victims feel so much shame and mixed feelings for the perpetrator and don’t always come forward immediately. Rape victims are rarely believed.

@Angela-gc3kr

Жыл бұрын

That would apply to REAL victims of real abuse. NOT two crap, broke actors out to fleece a convientely dead icon's children since 2013. And the fkers keep failing.

@tylerchambers6246

Жыл бұрын

As a trained clinician in psychology, I'm sure he's aware of that.

@TheDivayenta

Жыл бұрын

@@tylerchambers6246 his comments fail to reflect that.

@tylerchambers6246

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDivayenta The fact that victims of sex crimes are not quick to come forward and might be in denial about what happened to them is not evidence that MJ did anything.

@Daddy_Bear_722

11 ай бұрын

Lol wut? They are pretty much ALWAYS believed, even when all the evidence clearly shows they are lying

I mention in more detail below but it is important to note MJ’s popularity began in the 70’s with the Jackson 5. And his Thriller album was a return or a re make of his image . It is important to note this because he was already established and loved by his fans who grew up with him in the 70’s but by the 80’s Motown was fizzling out and MJ had to find a way to belong or define his own image amongst the hip hop culture. MJ was highly intuitive and intelligent and he like all child stars understood that his childlike voice swooned his fans. It is very difficult for any celebrity or artist to breakout of that mold and re define himself and MJ knew it. It is one of the things that made his Thriller album so brilliant . It took 5 years for him to make that album and it broke record sales. It also is the first ever music video release on much music in Canada 🇨🇦 so on so many levels not only the production quality but the timing of the release is historically unique and brilliant. It is important because MJ presented with a lot of the struggles of other child celebrity stars but he re defined himself as a type of teenager or vampire who is ageless and timeless. His identity is such a complex subject because it brings up race, a complex history of culture associated with race and family dynamics. For instance in the US with the history of “ slaves” there are significant traditions, cultural customs that got passed along - often families slept in small cabins and shared a large family bed. Many black artists and writers have went into more detail how this was a “ blessing and a curse “ but like the “ stomp songs” or gospel music it is situations that united black culture. I feel a bit awkward mentioning this as a white woman however I also feel a sense of obligation to mention it because I find it disturbing when others gloss over race and culture with their own hidden bias. Moreover going back to my own Irish roots it was not uncommon for large families to share the family bed. I When done in a heathy way it provided comfort, warmth and family security over the years with industrialized ways and larger homes children started to sleep in their own bedrooms. It is not something that I would believe in post 70’s but again there was not much “ normal “ about MJs childhood and who would tell him different ? With his dogmatic controlling and cruel father and MJ’s stature it makes sense to me that he turned away from the 70’s iconic model of toxic masculinity and I think his fans unconsciously clued into a hey you can be uniquely different and be talented and ok. MJ had a team of intelligent folk working with him too. It has always bothered me why he would continue after getting into so much trouble but he had no one to hold him accountable or to deter his habits. And I do believe he held bad habits. That said I find it highly problematic to try to charge someone after death based on someone who shifted their narrative with a 180 story. I find when people target celebrity or do anything with a false narratives there ought to be consequences if it is proven they are lying and targeting. I am so over seeing peoples lives destroyed by malicious gossip and the ass hat gossip mongers shrug their shoulders or play victim oh darn another pay out scam they failed . I am over seeing gossip mongers get away with casually destroying lives with “ careless whispers”. A term sung by George Micheal who ended his own life. From having personal up close experiences with gossip mongers who are V covert narcissist personalty disorders it makes me curious how many lives are lost to suicide because of their reckless harming ways. And as a society we need to hold them more accountable too

@kharper506

Жыл бұрын

Of course the other side to the coin is anyone who suffered from brainwashing or covert abuse often shifts their lens to see the persons completely differently. And as a survivor myself I get it how much time that can take so I get it but two wrongs do not make it right. You can not charge someone who is no longer able to defend himself. Unless we are talking Epstein who had an undeniable stack of evidence against him ( and died suspiciously )MJ was presumed innocent in a court of law. And that needs to Shane as is. As a survivor of stuff of NA while I could not see clearly and may have even defended someone not understanding who he is at the same time all of my stories are consistent and I have not done a 180. My lens only came more clearly into focus with wolves in sheep’s clothing. And this sounds like a contradiction. What I am saying is if the accusers are victims they will have to heal their wounds much like the rest of us and understand that you own your truth and you stick to it - not because it pays money but because it pays to keep your soul in tact ✌️

That Robson mother really irritated me and I agree that the appalling lack of judgement displayed (by both mothers) was egregious.

@lidahall5928

4 жыл бұрын

@nemoran That's not a tremendous shock. I understood why Wade & his wife didn't trust her alone with their children, to be honest.

@forestofthoughts4223

4 жыл бұрын

What is especially repulsive is the lack of judgement from Michael Jackson, absolutely disgusting

@annlanders978

4 жыл бұрын

@nemoran Excellent. Your comments are always totally accurate.

@annlanders978

4 жыл бұрын

@nemoran Or that Michael is dead.

@annlanders978

4 жыл бұрын

@@forestofthoughts4223 What "lack of judgement"?

You made me chuckle, I’m not really a fan of boring things.” Your videos are compelling viewing 🙂

@teresas8173

5 жыл бұрын

Deborah Pickerill , I know, I laughed too. I don’t think anyone is a fan of boring things! DR. Grande is never boring though!!

This is a very interesting case because I tend to be the kind of person who thinks everybody is guilty. I guess you could say I have trust issues. But I remember when this case was occurring my husband and I were watching TV, and my husband said, "You know what, I don't think he did it." Then I said, "You know, I don't either." Neither of us are naive or gullible, but I didn't find the accusations credible, and I found Michael Jackson's vehement denial of guilt believable. Now I do think Michael Jackson was weird in a lot of ways (just look at all those plastic surgeries, and the elephant man thing), and I definitely thought those parents showed terrible judgment letting their children stay there overnight. But I never believed he was guilty of abuse.

@commonsense2680

Жыл бұрын

People completely distorted the elephant man thing. Rather than giving the elephant man a decent burial like most humans, the township or whatever group was responsible for what to do with his body decided to put his body on display in some museum or scientific lab for all time for med students to study. Michael was very touched by the elephant man's story, and how he hated being looked at as a freak, etc. and not considered a human being. So, in order to allow him to be buried instead of having his bones and guts forever on display he sought to buy him to give him a burial. But I believe the town or whomever would not allow him to buy the body. I don't know if some other group finally secured a proper burial for him but that is why Michael wanted to purchase him, to give him peace.

@WhitneyDahlin

Жыл бұрын

There's such things as emotional in€est so he is definitely guilty of emotional p€doph11ia if not physical. He didn't have boundaries with the kids and his behavior was extremely inappropriate, physically and emotionally. So just because you don't believe someone is physically or s ually abusing someone doesn't mean that aren't emotionally abusing them. He was not normal the parents weren't normal for allowing that. Everyone failed those kids. His behavior is incredibly weird and creepy. Even IF they weren't physically or s ually abused that doesn't mean he didn't ruin them emotionally. Not to mention that normal nonp3do people know to not encourage that type of non boundaries behavior with children even if it's innocent. Because you don't want kids to think that's normal and end up preyed upon because they don't understand what is appropriate and not appropriate for an adult to do. You know what I mean? Just because it would be completely innocent if you invited random neighbor kids to sleepovers at your house doesn't mean that's something you would or should do. Because it looks so bad and can have terrible effects on children and make them open to being preyed upon by different adults who do have nefarious intentions. You don't want kids to think sleeping in bed with random strangers is normal because it makes it easy for them to be tricked into the bed of a weirdo. You see what I mean? He is guilty of child abuse whether that's emotional or s ual. He's guilty

@zuzanazuscinova5209

Жыл бұрын

What elephant man thing? He was just sympathetic to his suffering.

@evem620

8 ай бұрын

What people see as weird is just a normal person trying to live life as the most famous person in the world. I’m sure if you were the most famous person in the world all your “eccentricities” would be highlighted and magnified for all the world to see. Remember, people called him a genius, they all wanted to see what this “genius” was made of. It was easier to come up with weird and elaborate stories about him (also very profitable) than to depict him as a normal human being

Adults should never be hanging out or sleeping with children, no matter what "affliction" one may have. It's never appropriate.

I laughed every single time Dr. Grande said how excruciatingly boring this movie was.

@sharonportillo7740

2 жыл бұрын

I found t interesting.

@DiverseLA

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a very interesting and compelling documentary.

@Sasygigikitty

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiverseLA They you fell for it like sheep, this was just a scam to get money.

@tiaramoonlight5403

2 жыл бұрын

@@DiverseLA Actually it was made for u

@Sasygigikitty

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodneyboehner3007 I get this video but what about other videos?

“Emotions interfere with critical thinking!” Remember that!!!

@Angela-gc3kr

3 жыл бұрын

@Sally Ann Now I know for a fact you're either being paid to troll OR YOU have major unresolved issues that you are projecting OR you have drug issues that trolling funds or IMO it's ALL of the above. You are literally cyber bullying people. GET HELP.

@dragonflysteampunk4266

3 жыл бұрын

​@Mary Marron Michael was an oddball. He lost his childhood thanks to mean Joe. But I really don't think he sexually abused any children. Not 1 famous rich person/ child has ever said he touched them. Like the Doc says, He should not of settled. I understand it was a nightmare for Michael, but think about this too... If you were 100% convinced your child was molested, would you want Money, or would you want that person in prison so they can never do this to another child? The parents of the child were perfectly happy taking the 22M. Now.... what if he were guilty..... I guess that makes the parents Pimps! Shame on them!!!!! I still believe to this day Michael was the victim. He was a strange man that acted like a child in many ways. Immature. Trying perhaps to have the experience of what normal children have in the sleepover thing, and making friends. Strange.... yes. But that alone does not make him a pedophile.

As much as a victim deserves justice it's important to note that the system is a legal system not a justice system.

Dr Grande, the case by the Defense of Michael Jackson is on youtube in Spanish, the video its called "Volviendo a Neverland" (Going back to Neverland).