"Atheists don't even try to explain the cause of the universe" The entire field of cosmology: "Am I a joke to you?"

@ichabod1370

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Blah, Blah, Blah. 'Bye.

@OVERCLOCKexe

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Yeah, you won't be convincing a single person in this comments section

@Dragonage2ftw

2 жыл бұрын

That is a dumb quote. Devout Catholic, btw.

@glasshorse6893

2 жыл бұрын

knowing some of these people, yeah it probably is a joke to him

@tone618

2 жыл бұрын

well frick you jesus he decided to die for sins I have not and never will commit his problem not mine I never asked him to

The fact that he speaks of "tactics" says it all. He's not interested in having a discussion; he just wants to "win".

@vibeslide

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same.

@effyleven

2 жыл бұрын

@@vibeslide Me too.

@JD-xz1mx

2 жыл бұрын

Its an apologetics course. Apologetics in anything is definitionally tactical. This is like complaining that a debate class is too focused on arguing.

@vibeslide

2 жыл бұрын

@@JD-xz1mx Hmm. In that case it might've been a misunderstanding on my part. This entire theism vs. atheism thing feels really alien to me and I only stumbled accidentally over this video (Thx KZread). I think this debate , and the world as a whole, needs more of "We agree to disagree".

@Julia-lk8jn

2 жыл бұрын

@@JD-xz1mx I looked the word up, and found the definition "defense of a faith". I wouldn't say that that necessarily means the "out to score points" approach of this video, but then I haven't read the entire article. But defending one's faith shouldn't by definition mean to use straw arguments or false similes like ( cause of the entire cosmos can be deduced just like the cause of a knock in the door) or by just making up anecdotes.

Decades ago I was being preached at by an American colleague. I told them I was an atheist. They than asked me "How do you not kill other people if you don't beleive in god" ! I was shocked by this question and asked them "is the only thing stopping you from killing people your belief in god ?"". They replied "what else would there be". I asked them if they knew what empathy was (for starters). A very worrying conversation. I always think about it when I see these mass shootings in America on the news.

@Mehki227

4 ай бұрын

I watch a ton of true crime on TV and whenever I hear, he was raised in a conservative religious home or he grew up very religious, I know I'm about to hear about one of the worst crimes imaginable and about childhood abuse. I literally go uh-ho. Yeah...

@russellg9622

3 ай бұрын

It really is terrifying sometimes. So many Theists claim that society couldn’t exist without religion but what group ever existed with religion that wasn’t already a part of a society? I may need to research that more and re word the question but it seems pretty obvious to me that is was society first then religion. Which means our moral code started with simple standards first then religion interjected itself into it later.

@emporioalnino4670

3 ай бұрын

The idea that morality is derived from a God is so sociopathic to me. You're telling me you gladly would be raping and murdering and destroying anything and anyone, and the only thing stopping you is the thought of being denied eternal life? Sometimes I want to stop being so contemptuous of religion. But I haven't seen a good reason yet.

@jessikaemanuelleirias3698

3 ай бұрын

You made a great point here. I've been under the impression that Christians solely believe in morals under this type of messed up idea, if they can be vile or corrupt "with" God, I can not imagine what they would be capable of without an inner moral compass. I one thought we were all born with it, regardless of religion beliefs... I guess not

@asilnorahc8910

3 ай бұрын

@@jessikaemanuelleirias3698 On my part, I think empathy is innate but still needs nurturing. Like, we are born with the potential of empathy, but through social interactions, education, experience, we nurture it into something that makes us able to live in society and potentially have healthy relationships. Religion is a huge part of one's education, if they are raised in a religious family, so their empathy is nurtured through the lense of religion, so lots of them equate religion to their capacity for compassion, when it is not - it is a false correlation (maybe wrong words, but the idea gets through i think.) The idea though, that some people believe only the threat of Hell is what drives people to be good... yeah. That's messed up. At least it makes it clear that people who are good despite not believing in Hell or God are truly good. (or at least decent)

"How do you atheists sleep at night?" Me: Peacefully.

@floppa_gamer1111

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So your saying that im going to be punished for not believeing in a non provible thing. bullshit detecter off the charts

@floppa_gamer1111

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 and a real god would not make a infinite punishment for a finite crime

@crimxe

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 If God/Jesus were good people, they wouldn't send good people who respect other beliefs to hell just because they aren't Christian.

@floppa_gamer1111

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 then why did god make humans without a way to prove god OR make evil in the first place also "Hell is simply a place where you are separated from God so you are separated from everything that is good ,things we take for granted like the ability to breathe, rest or have our feet planted on the floor." so does that make jumping unholy or going to space a sin?

@floppa_gamer1111

29 күн бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 stop

“Think of the most morally grotesque thing you can think of” Hmmm, how about telling children they’re going to burn in hell for eternity if they don’t believe in Jesus? That’s sounds pretty morally reprehensible to me.

@spiritbaki108

2 жыл бұрын

Or going back in time a little, *actually* burning the children for not believing in Jesus

@michiyaslana5974

Жыл бұрын

I vote for condemning people for sex before marriage when priests assault children and get punished by moving to another parish, where they have a new pool of children to potentially hurt!

@chuii_

Жыл бұрын

Ok👀

@spicytrash4981

Жыл бұрын

@@chuii_ oKaY 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

@reptoidrenaissance

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention doing that while defending priests who molest children, teaching kids that all observable reality is fake but magic & proven hoaxes are real, and encouraging the idea that anyone different deserves to die if they won't blindly obey whatever fairytales they're told... all done by fundamentalist Christians.

I have aphantasia, which means that I lack a minds eye. I can’t picture things in my head. I also can’t hear things, feel things, and smell things that I imagine. In Greg’s world, that means that I wouldn’t have a soul.

@Iugdcbbjugghj

10 ай бұрын

Stupid is knowing the truth seeing the truth and still believing the lies

@marknieuweboer8099

10 ай бұрын

In my world - and I try to match it with reality as much as I can - you don't have a soul either. Neither do I and Kouklekou.

@ChrischenL

9 ай бұрын

I was about to write the same. I apparently don’t have a soul either.

@ggtragicsansbro6495

8 ай бұрын

Begone souless demon

@michaeluwuowo

8 ай бұрын

No one can smell or feel things in their brain?

I really don't understand why some people find the concept of your life not having a predetermined purpose, horrifying.

@ibizenco

5 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Why do we "need" to? What does "God" want, in the end? What is God's final and ultimate wish? That we believe? Then why not show himself to everyone all over the world at the same time? There is no god - certainly not the good and loving god from the New Testament who let his son/himself being murdered by us to free us from our sins. The absurdity. (The god from the Old Testament had every newborn in Egypt murdered, and like a real mafia don he didn't do it himself, but he had two angels do it for him... angels that needed to see blood on every door that they had to pass... right). There is no chance in heaven or hell that I would ever worship the god from the Old Testament.)

@gavinboot4810

5 ай бұрын

So those babies killed by Hamas was "their gard given purpose in life"",,yeah ,right,,,,,

@citizenvulpes4562

5 ай бұрын

It's because they want someone else to do all the work for them "why care if everything is already figured out"

@kartikpintu

4 ай бұрын

They just need someone to blame for their shortcomings. "God made me this way, hence i am this way, don't blame me if I accidentally offend you."

@wishingwell_333

4 ай бұрын

maybe it's not about that but honestly i can get it as someone who is going thru like a chronic existential crisis. it is weird how everything is pretty meaningless. even the way you're born and die is jus kinda random and that is weird to me. i mean i don't even feel bad or like im missing anything by not having a purpose bc it's jus sort of the truth without any deeper meaning lmao

Can you imagine someone setting up an atheist "University" and publishing video courses on how to score points in conversations with Christians? I'm sure there are KZread channels that put out that kind of content but the effort that this guy has gone to in order to do this is interesting, to say the least. I enjoyed this video, your style is extremely calm, open and thorough.

@maxjohn6012

5 ай бұрын

There's also a lovely contrast between Koukl telling his fellow Christians how to score points in conversation with atheists, and you telling Christians how to have meaningful and productive conversations with atheists :)

@shrekiscool4743

4 ай бұрын

​@@maxjohn6012 GMS is definitely one of the most well-mannered and calm theological channels, he's respectful of people's beliefs and doesn't try to push his views on others.

@maxjohn6012

4 ай бұрын

@@shrekiscool4743 Definitely! This was the first of his videos that I'd watched. Since then I've watched quite a few and am very happy to be subscribed :)

@ScottHess

3 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that someone who founds a university to promulgate a mindset with no actual supporting evidence likely believes that ALL universities were founded for that reason.

@dutchporcelainplate

2 ай бұрын

"atheist" university is just any university that isnt pushing a christian doctrine

“Atheists are making a case” Normally we’re just trying to live and enjoy life, we don’t want to convince you of anything

@prismaticc_abyss

Жыл бұрын

I only tell people there is no god if they try to present me with their lies that there is one. I don't go around preaching to people who didn't ask like theists do. If theists didn't exist there would be no need for atheism, we would all be agnostic.

@prismaticc_abyss

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 hahaha, no. Go spread your fairy tales somewhere else

@korok7523

Жыл бұрын

@@prismaticc_abyss ignore it. Pretty sure it’s a bot

@geraldmahoney4856

Жыл бұрын

I’m non-religious and I believe there is no god. I don’t call myself an atheist because I don’t label myself based on superstition. I believe in the constitution of the United States and that everybody can worship as they please as long as they don’t push their beliefs on me. I do not judge or disparage anyone who is religious. Also, I will not debate, discuss or insult anyone’s religious beliefs. You do you; I will do me.

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Holy sh*t

I think the reason Christian Apologists are so confident is because they've won EVERY SINGLE argument they've ever had with the hypothetical atheists they make up in their heads. An impressive 100% win rate.

@michabaron4129

Жыл бұрын

I mean even in the stories he brings up as examples of using his bulletproof points in real life atheists are like 'yeah i dont buy it bro' which is something

@michabaron4129

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 no thanks

@jimmyjon9970

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 shut up, heathen

@JiveDadson

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 What makes you think all that? Saying "Ray Comfort" does not count.

@69eddieD

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Yawn

As a neurodivergent human with aphantasia, the “color of mom’s blouse” device fell particularly flat. I cannot form pictures in my mind. Certainly cannot see colors in my mind.

@wdc_nathan

5 ай бұрын

By his own argument, perhaps he would conclude that I do not have a soul.

@nathangaspacio6128

Ай бұрын

@@wdc_nathan Are you sure you're not just ginger?

@wdc_nathan

Ай бұрын

@@nathangaspacio6128 from one Nathan to another… why would you think I’m ginger? To be clear, I’m not, but I’m not sure the relevance.

@nathangaspacio6128

Ай бұрын

@@wdc_nathan Might explain why you don't apparently have a soul.

@wdc_nathan

Ай бұрын

@@nathangaspacio6128 oh I see. That was your attempt at a joke.

I was raised as an Orthodox Christian because I was born in Greece. I have an extreme curiosity about the world, so I was reading and learning about science since I was 7, and I am running almost entirely on logical thinking based on first principles instead of emotions. By my late 20s my views had changed after all the things I had read and researched. I started believing that there is probably some greater being (higher dimensional "aliens", a dumb kid making a bad simulation on its pc, a level 3 or higher civilization for some reason that our inferior brains will never be able to even understand, etc.) that at least helped in the creation of the universe or multiverse, but no current religion is even close to cover everything. Christian books are not even close to explain the reality of our own planet, let alone the entire universe. The world was not made with love in mind, humans were not made but evolved from single-celled organisms through hundreds of millions of years of life on this planet, and Earth is NOT special but just another little rock amongst the quadrillion of planets in just our universal neighborhood. As for this Christian class, the guy is just stupid, and shows some of the reasons why I laugh at them at this point. They have NO reasoning abilities (because God wills it), and NO knowledge about reality and the world. edit: Also, having a sense of self is not the same as having a soul. This is just the result of our evolved brain at work, and chemical reactions inside our bodies that give rise to emotions.

@gabrielottaviano

6 ай бұрын

I can get behind this!

@AyushSaxena-mc7nl

Ай бұрын

I grew up in a predominantly hindu family before understanding science and started being Aethist. What actually made me an Aethist was moral relativism. The reason it was hard for me was that Hinduism contains a multiverse that's forever getting destroyed and recreated. It's comparatively accurate on current age of universe compared to other religions, who are way far off. It is a polytheist religion so it has a fully functioning society of higher beings(gods in this case) with a "maintainer" of multiverse, not the creator. It also said that multiverse always existed. It was very fascinating and sat well with science, both the age of universe, and evolution theory. If you think there's no religion that is close to explaining a multiverse, you can read it's stories but you'll quickly fall out of it when it comes to moral relativism. I think that's why there's a branch in hinduism where you can believe god does not exist and still be a hindu.

@BlockyBookworm

3 күн бұрын

@@AyushSaxena-mc7nl The Charvaka school?

@AyushSaxena-mc7nl

2 күн бұрын

@@BlockyBookworm yeah, a bit modern version of it but the idea derives from there.

"Without God, morality would be relative!" "Doesn't the god of the bible approve of slavery, stoning unruly children to death and forcing women to marry their rapists?" "Sure, but those things were all considered ok at the time"

@joecatt16

2 жыл бұрын

Really good call out. The utility in Biblical Theology is a structured higher standard of morality, much like a company policy. When stuff is frustrating for the lower man, the boss can simply say, "Sorry, that's company Policy." It pacifies and structures a grouping of people toward the objectives of those on top of the hierarchy.

@XXveny

2 жыл бұрын

People before religion: Steal my possesions and kill my relatives, i don´t care :D

@MikePWJr

2 жыл бұрын

My belief is that morality IS relative. It is only the common conception of peers and groups that objectifies morals. If an entire isolated group believed that stealing, for example, was a good thing to do, it would be the objectively moral thing to do in their reality. The fact that an act could be perceived on either side of a moral compass inherently indicates that morality must be relative. Stealing is bad, because society as a whole has deemed it so. Relative morals in consensus create objective morals. The argument of God only shifts the goal post. Did society relatively define objective morals or did God create things with objective morality? Did the chicken or the egg come first? Answer to both, we don't know.

@jhoughjr1

2 жыл бұрын

@@XXveny Generally they didnt. They understood thats how the game was played,

@jhoughjr1

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikePWJr I would differentiate between morality entailing relativism, while not being relative

As a European, born and raised in a country with a big, deep historical and cultural background in Christianity yet where sciences are studied without any problem from any religious group, I'm baffled by how a lot of religious people in the US still treat religion and science like before the Enlightenment, or worse before the XVI century.

@MendTheWorld

2 жыл бұрын

It is not irrelevant that a significant component of the New World Branch of Europe was founded by fundamentalists who couldn’t function within the framework of the church orthodoxy in the countries where they came from. There’s always been a focus here on the “personal god”, whose existence is self-evident, and with whom it is possible to commune solely through personal experience, rather than through the mediation of the clergy. Actually. I’m just repeating something I’ve read. I’m not sure I even believe it. I can’t really comprehend the phenomenon you’re describing either.

@mirablue1135

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!! I am from the UK, and even here if you say ur an atheist or a Christian or a Muslim or a Sikh, people don't care, They just treat you like a person. There if you say your an atheist, everyone cares

@asphalthedgehog6580

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly that. No-one here has to defend his/her belief or non-belief. Why care about that? I have some colleagues who really are Christians, one the son of a reverend but they still believe in evolution and that the earth is not flat. It's just ignorance to not believe in science. Because... if you believe, who created science. Without nature laws (who designed these) there would exist exactly: nothing.

@RettMikhal

2 жыл бұрын

Blame the South.

@FuriouslySleepingIde

2 жыл бұрын

American culture missed the Wars of Religion in Europe. We didn't have the 30 years war where Catholic vs Protestant left a higher proportion of the German population dead than either world war. We didn't have Anglican persecutions of Crypto-Catholics. We didn't have the inquisitions. The horrors of religion unchained killed the idea of Christendom in Europe. In American culture, Religion was a civilizing force. It was Christian settlers against non-Christian savages (or masters against slaves). It was the Wild West frontier transformed into settled communities centered on their Church. America did have the same seeds of conflict that Europe had in the 16th and 17th centuries. However the Americans solved them in a manner not available to Europe. They split communities and dissenters formed new colonies. The Puritans split from England. Rhode Island split from the Puritans. This doesn't justify the regressive views of American religion, just explains how they survived.

34:25 "You didn't see your synapses so where was that image" I don't see my eyes either but I still see a picture.

@aski551

2 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Yet you call both their names in internet for points. Get out of here you hypocrite

@aski551

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 "If I knew you were in the way of incoming traffic id pull you out of the way. Likewise, if you were in a burning building, I’d pull you out as well." -I'd do the same to you. "What you don’t realise is your soul is on fire hence the preaching." -You'll never reach valhalla by just talking alone. "The word of God is offensive to you right now but once you become a Christian you will realise the awesomeness of God and what love really is." -God isn't offensive to me. Secondly, god being love is relatively new idea, holy trinity is less than 400 years old. So which sect of christianity do you follow?

@aski551

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So tell me these several things relating to afterlife you have seen. And was your life saved?

@aski551

Ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Nice, well, if he is real, I'd rather meet him as a atheist than a liar (you can't just force yourself to belief in something)

So I am a pretty avid theist. And I adore your channel. The points about hardlining definitions and the focus on constructive conversation is what a lot of people lack. The "tactics" and "winning" mentality on both sides is always a failure to communicate. A discussion on belief shouldn't be any more competative than a discussion of your favorite colors and why. Constructive conversation is am attempt to better your understanding of each other should always be a goal, any growth from those exchanges, is your own.

@RhythmsCompany.2

3 ай бұрын

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363, cute for the believers, but out of place. We've just said we have to ask whys and wherefores in order to build a solid understanding of others people's beliefs, pal. Try to tone it down a bit and, instead, tune in with the people you're answering. Unless you're a bot, come on, you could have done it better!

@lmost

3 ай бұрын

@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Keep pushing that rock, Sisyphus.

@DM-rc4yu

3 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Spamming the channel with preachy nonsense. Figures.

@RhythmsCompany.2

2 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I guess our 'God' doesn't get attacked half as much as yours because we have none, haha. Also, popularity matters. Not many people hate on The Oh Hellos' music, but there's a lot of hate towards, say, Justin Bieber's. Not many know the first, but everyone knows the latter. If there's a bigger quantity of people who know something/someone, there also is a bigger probability of disagreeing/disliking or being indifferent to it. And, by the way, in our huge, Western society, your God is the one who gets all the attention. What are the most translated pages? Oftentimes, the ones that preach about your God. Thank your God, sir.

"We're just evolved creatures. We're the result of accident and chance." Honestly, I believe that makes us even more special than being handmade by some deity.

@daseagod6127

10 ай бұрын

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Why would an omniscient all powerful being care if a couple of its weak and powerless creations belived in it? Does your god have such a fragile ego that it needs validation from its ant like creations?

@lakshitathakur6118

10 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 sorry I’m Hindu 🙏🏼

@masterwizivan1788

10 ай бұрын

I completely agree, but I was surprised he used the example of an unplanned pregnancy, is that not special? I'm sure plenty of people love their children even if they were from an unplanned pregnancy. Depending on the way you think it could make the child even more special because the parents wouldn't have had them if it wasn't for that pure chance

@cp37373

10 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363calm down with the jokes this is serious business. Lmao

@InsertNameHere911

10 ай бұрын

I completely agree! I realized I said the same thing as someone else but that was unintentional

You ask, how could he be in Christian apologetics for so long without being able to address the most basic counter-argument. It's easy, his target audience isn't atheists, Christians pay the man to reassure themselves. He doesn't NEED a coherent logical argument.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

2 жыл бұрын

After interacting with apologists for a while now, I have to agree here.

@Ignirium

2 жыл бұрын

OP posted this comment 2 days ago and the author of the video responded 3 days ago! What is this evidence of?

@jeffallen8689

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ignirium Time zones?

@tnyw872621h8474h9

2 жыл бұрын

How do atheists ground a belief in logic itself? You are appealing to something here that is immaterial, invariant, and abstract but how do you know it exists?

@jeffallen8689

2 жыл бұрын

@@tnyw872621h8474h9 could your question be rephreased as "how do we know math exists?" and what does "exist" mean, in this context? I argue that it means "it functions"

People explaining that souls exist and include stuff like dreams and moral compasses The brain: am I joke to you

34:22 "Now open your eyes. Look at that doorframe. Where does the image of the doorframe come from?" "Sir, I'm blind. I was born viewing but I suffered brain injury and can't see anymore, also - " "I will tell you! It comes from your soul!" "Sir... I-I can't see, I am blind... and I also have aphantasia"

Christian: "What made the big bang? Nothing, that means it didn't exist! " Atheist: "What made God, then?" Christian: 👁👄👁

@dryfox11

Жыл бұрын

“hE’s EtErNaL tHoUgH!!1!!1”

@flix3284

Жыл бұрын

i have an answer to that if you'r interested with proof

@ornerybeefalo8387

Жыл бұрын

@@flix3284 provide away

@flix3284

Жыл бұрын

@@ornerybeefalo8387 so in the sikh scripture the guru granth sahib ji (i'll explain a little what it actually is, so there were messengers what we call gurus and there were 10 gurus god would send them words and they would write it down and ultimately the guru granth sahib ji were created) these words are not false at all if you would want me to elaborate i could. in those words it says 'karta purakh' which means god created everything and he had created himself. ultimately noone created him and he has existed before time itself and when there was nothing. i hope this helps and i would like you to do some reserch please dont look away from god without experiencing him and having a chat with him, all mental and physical problems will remain no more. hope this helps.

@ornerybeefalo8387

Жыл бұрын

@@flix3284 how can god create itself if it needed to have existed in order to be able to create itself?

That line when he said, “You’re not just a piece of meat floating through the universe!” Oh man, how I would love to say to that man that yes, yes I am just a floating piece of meat that is almost completely insignificant, and I’m happy, I accept my insignificance and live happily anyway

@tuanminhthai5694

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Cause if he exist, then he want me to enter hell and suffer an infinite amount of pain because of a finite amount of sins that I have committed, then he is a fucking evil.

@ichabod1370

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 What the heck is wrong with you? Seriously, what?

@Nopquar

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 your God and heaven aren’t real. Pull your head out of your ass.

@GoZags43

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Heaven is nonsensical. If it’s “eternal happiness,” then it’s literally just the equivalent of being high on meth for eternity. No one can maintain that level of joy for an extended period of time. It’s now how our brains work.

@BooserBoi

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You: "I have seen Heaven and Hell and can go into detail." Also You: "the human mind can't comprehend heaven." Not calling you a liar, but that's a pretty blatant contradiction.

The story about the knock having to come from somewhere reminds me of something my dog used to do. He'd gone blind and deaf with age, but sometimes in his sleep he would wag his tail and hit the wall. His brain would interpret that impact as a knock, and he would wake up and run to the door, scratching and whining until we opened it, only for no one to be there. So, yes, knocks *can* happen without knockers, or at least, things can happen that limited consciousnesses *perceive* as knocks. But am I going to tell that story to a theist and have them suddenly decide there's no need for a creator? Doubtful. Also the part where he's talking about 'envisioning something in your head means the image is stored in the soul'. Does that mean people with aphantasia have no souls?

"If some rocks fall off of a mountain... did they just fall? No, there has to be a faller. Rocks don't just *fall* off mountains. If a gust of wind blows, did it just blow from natural causes? No! There has to be someone there with a hair dryer or really, really big lungs! There has to be a blower!"

@champiggyfrm_pig5271

Күн бұрын

I mean there's always a "how", how did the rock fall ? By being pushed by the wind. How was the wind created ? Etc. until you can encompass all that there is. There is however no goal in the rock falling, it did not fall for a purpose

Thank you for explaining how “I don’t know” is such a valid and important part of scientific methodology. “I don’t know but I want to study it” launched more ships than virtually any other thought.

@GalacticalHistorian

10 ай бұрын

I definitely agree! The curiosity of humans that could have stemmed from a lack of understanding about the world around them has led to many advancements in varying fields, and it would be missing the point completely to ignore “I don’t know” as a valid response.

@axl256gamesx7

10 ай бұрын

It certainly helped more than religion... than modern religion

@axl256gamesx7

10 ай бұрын

Idk i like roman gods It was such a cool thing

@Ajehy

10 ай бұрын

I used to work at a history museum. When a visitor asked a question I didn’t know the answer to, I’d admit I didn’t know instead of making something up and sending them away with wrong information.

@Ajehy

10 ай бұрын

@@axl256gamesx7Roman (and other polytheistic gods) make for great stories. Why does bad stuff happen to good people? There’s always SOMEONE to piss off!

The worst part about this whole course is the fact that, and stay with me here...he's fine with challenging atheists' beliefs, but if an atheist tried to challenge christian beliefs, it would be labeled as an attack on religion. People like this are the biggest hypocrites out there, and give my faith a bad name. Edit: I am open minded and accept everyone no matter what they believe, as long as you don't hurt anyone. I believe what I want, so I let anyone do the same within reason

@charliepershall5956

Жыл бұрын

The Dishonest and Christian's Fear Truth Because 'Truth' exposes their Dishonesty. Christian's Basic Principles Are Corrupt How is it that you Christian's successfully deceive those in other nations to worship your Imaginary Mythical Fantasy Gods? And then go to war for the nation you worship. And kill those members of your own churches? The Basic Principle Of Christianity It is Corrupt and far from Justice. To sentence and executing an innocent man for the crime of all humanity. What Honest person would let your neighbor be executed for your own crime? Evidently a Christian would. However, you all will face your own consequences, for your corruption and crime. You will not pin it on an innocent man. You all will harvest what you plant. And Christianity also promote Cannibalism by a ritual that they pretend they are eating Jesus's flesh and drinking his blood. Truth Is Existence Truth is All That Truly Exists. Other Than Truth there is Just The understood Concept of An Absence. Lies with intent to deceive or not is fantasy. Lies remain in the nonexistent realm. Nothing Can Survive Singular It is only in a huge Complex Mass form can anything survive and succeed. The Great Creator and the Spirit Energy Source, Its Is Science, it is not Religion. Religion is Fantasy. The Great Designer and Creator, The spirit Energy Source, Matter, Knowledge, Energy, Time and Space Has Always Existed. All are Without Beginning or end. Beginning and End only reveals an absence. The Great Creator is far more Massive and complex than the God worshipers realize and understand. The Great Creator is not a being somewhere in space. The Great Creator is a huge mass of spirits in perfect unity. And with the same care for each another. Honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe. To accept other’s opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing. We must understand to believe. Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help. Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible. Just whispers, of the Spirit of Reality.

@ClementGreen

11 ай бұрын

You don't need atheists to give your faith a bad name. You've done all work yourselves already.

@charliepershall5956

11 ай бұрын

The Honest will search & Find The Truth Do not expects some one else to find and prove the Truth to you. It is your responsibility. The task is simple and Easy. Truth Is Existence Truth is All That Truly Exists. Other Than Truth there is Just The understood Concept of An Absence. Lies with intent to deceive or not is fantasy. Lies remain in the nonexistent realm. Creation is only the rearrangement of Matter. As Existence and Matter does not evolve from nothing. The Great Designer and Creator, The Spirit Energy Source, Matter, Knowledge, Energy, Time, and Space Has Always Existed. All Without Beginning or end. Beginning and End only reveals an absence. The Great Creator is far more Massive and complex than the God worshipers realize and understand. The Great Creator is not a being somewhere in space. The Great Creator is a huge mass of spirits in perfect unity. And with the same care for each another. The Basic Principles of All Creation Is A Huge complex Mass Of Smaller Particles. Nothing Can Survive Singular It is only in a huge Complex Mass can anything survive and succeed. The Great Creator and the Spirit Energy Source, Its Is Science, it is not Religion. Religion is Fantasy. The Basic Of Justice It is do unto others as you would like to be done unto you. The Basic Principle Of Christianity It is Corrupt and far from Justice. To sentence and executing an innocent man for the crime of all humanity. What Honest person would let your neighbor be executed for your own crime? Evidently a Christian would. However, you all will face your own consequences, for your corruption and crime. You will not pin it on an innocent man. You all will harvest what you plant. consequences for corrupt behavior is How the spirits of human learn. And Christianity also promote Cannibalism by a ritual that they pretend they are eating Jesus's flesh and drinking his blood. The Great Creator performs Justice. You all will face your own consequences for your corruption and crimes. You will not pin them an innocent Man. How is it that you Christian's successfully deceive those in other nations to worship your Imaginary Mythical Fantasy Gods? And then go to war for the nation you worship. And kill those members of your own churches? The Universe was the first Intelligent design That we are aware of. The Universe was specially designed for life on this Planet Earth. it is powered and controlled by the 'The Spirit Energy Source.' True Science and Truth are the same, both are the understanding of the Great Creator that Created all that exists, and the Understanding of the Great Creator's Creation. Words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe. To accept other’s opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing. We must understand to believe. Until Next time: Sweet Dreams: Truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves; those problems will need no help. Have a great and a meaningful life if it is at all possible. Just whispers, of the Spirit of Reality.

@gentlesoul221

11 ай бұрын

@@ClementGreen As a christian, I will agree, we have had too many bad apples.

@ClementGreen

11 ай бұрын

@@gentlesoul221 The first being Jesus, who was not only a convicted criminal, but believed in human sacrifice. To give him his due though, he didn't sacrifice other people, just himself. But still.

ur voice is so calming. i always play ur videos in the background when im doing homework and stuff because ur voice just soothes me

22:45 I like how the atheist is depicted as an angry man because angry people are always wrong

"This is why you can gas termites but not je-..." He went all in with that one

@elk7212

9 ай бұрын

for real, why noone talking about that bruh

@megavolt2951

8 ай бұрын

I literally jumped and checked to make sure I heard him right. Craziest thing I've heard all day.

@WisteriaDrake

8 ай бұрын

"Why do we feel that all humans are equal?" For one, that's fucking RICH coming from a Christian. Have you even read your book, mate? Do you not know your own history? Ever heard of the KKK and Westboro Baptist? For another, if that's true, then WHY did the Holocaust happen? Why has slavery happened? You're trying to claim that humans have some collective internal sense that we're all equal, but the fact that anyone ever has done horrible things that you wouldn't even do to animals, to other people, falsifies your claim, bucko.

@SuperCopyCat12

8 ай бұрын

"Surely it's not THAT mask off-" "Well fuck me it really is"

@mrs.kittycatgirl

8 ай бұрын

Crazy

This dude reminds me of my grade 9 English teacher who tried to tell me that I'm not an atheist because I spent Christmas with my family instead of at school. What was I gonna do, go sit on the steps in front of the locked building for several hours in the middle of winter?

@jonasmariunas9507

2 жыл бұрын

she says yes

@markshepperson3603

2 жыл бұрын

You should have told him where Thursday came from.

@Dagoroth55

2 жыл бұрын

You say you celebrate Winter Solstice like a Pagan.

@breakfaith3031

2 жыл бұрын

@@markshepperson3603 I don't think she's ready for that kind of knowledge lol

@Eldiran1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@markshepperson3603 OH i google it and it's amazing , i didn't know. Fun fact , in france , we change saturday and sunday to be more christian (just the name , saturday become samedi , a word derived from "shabbat" , and sunday become dimanche , a word originated from "dies Dominicus" , the lord's day ) . But in english and other like german , they keep the roman origins . (it's pretty obvious with SUNday but not so much with saturday ). Thanks for the trivia man , appreciate !

As a Christian I agree 1000% to literally everything your saying. We do not know how the universe was created, how could we? We weren’t there. I believe that having a belief system gives us, as people, a way to grasp our minds around a concept that’s easy to understand. That concept being that something created the universe and us. That’s the whole point of a belief, to give you a sound mind towards things we can’t understand on our own, but people keep twisting it into these morals and strict ideals that aren’t realistic at all. If someone believes something different it’s not wrong in any way, there shouldn’t be shamed and told there going to hell because they grasp the concept of our world slightly differently than one religious group or another. The things were taught within religion’s ( Christianity as a example) is just to be a good person and not be a complete jerk. There’s hardly any definition between right and wrong anyways, it’s so grey. Who are we to draw the line between good and evil with such trivial things like someone’s belief system and flat out stating it’s wrong without a second thought. Hurting other people is simply not ok, and by forcing ideals onto other people is in fact hurting them, which is wrong, shocker! 😱 I just- can’t understand why more people don’t think this way, it should be obvious… but unfortunately so many people have been brainwashed by toxic Christianity, which is absolutely insane to me. Where did it all go wrong? Literally if you read the Bible it’s nothing like the religion it is now. How did an entire religion end up closing there minds so much… it feels more like a cult than a actual religion sometimes.

@solareclipse1468

3 ай бұрын

I’m so sorry for the rant wow I didn’t realize how much I wrote

@dr.fiction7

2 ай бұрын

​@@solareclipse1468 Lol it's fine dude, I write those all the time. Good read and well said.

Calling atheists intellectually dishonest for saying they don't believe in god and then turning around and saying "actually THIS is what atheists believe, don't fall for their tricks"... I don't know how someone supposedly so educated could unintentionally be so blatantly decietful.

@marknieuweboer8099

4 ай бұрын

Kouklekou is not well educated. Just consult his Wikipedia page and check the "universities". He talks deceitful propaganda because he's trained to.

Science teacher: “This is what we know, because these are the things we’ve observed. Let me show you.” Religion teacher: “Just trust me, if you don’t believe what I tell you then you’ll burn forever!”

@nicogarcia6003

2 жыл бұрын

Praise the lord! King of Kings, Jesus Christ!

@bruhbwoi3618

2 жыл бұрын

@Dmitry Shilin but we do know all that stuff about life... and eventually we will know that stuff about quantum physics. In the past 100ish years we've gone from not having lightbulbs to having a probe over 14 billion miles away from earth. We are actually making progress with science. How much progress has religion made in the past 50,000 years? Zero. In maybe even 50 years we might even think quantum mechanics is simple compared to what new shit we've discovered.

@cagedgandalf3472

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruhbwoi3618 What he's trying to say is religion explains everything simply that's why it's true the good old occam's razor. What he's forgetting is that when a being just abracadbra the universe into existence, raises more questions than answers. Especially if this being that created the observable universe with billions of planets, cares so much about what you do while naked, who you're sleeping with and in what position.

@cagedgandalf3472

2 жыл бұрын

@Dmitry Shilin Religion teacher: Humans were made by blowing the "breath of life" into dirt. The universe was made by saying let there be a universe/light. Woman turns to a pillar of salt. Diseases is a curse from witches/God. Natural disasters is because of God being angry because of gay people and blasphemy. What's that? Are you saying magic is difficult to explain? Please have faith. Science teacher: *Don't fall for the argument from incredulity kids* It's fine if you don't trust science, reality is difficult to understand.

@rocksfire4390

2 жыл бұрын

@Dmitry Shilin correlation =/= causation. they are "christian's" because that's how they had been raised. yes i put christian's in quotations on purpose because if they were actual christian's (followed the book as is written) they would have to have a split personality to be able to function properly. science and religion are entirely opposites, one makes claims and proves that they are right and the other just makes claims with no proof and expects you to take it as a matter of fact. one is factual and the other is fictional.

I'm a Christian myself, so I don't agree with all of your views, but I DO agree with each and every one of your objections to Koukl's invalid and disrespectful approach. I have been trying to communicate to fellow Christians for years that we cannot set up straw men to knock down and then feel like we have "won" something. I am very ashamed of the way many Christians approach conversations with those who disagree, using words like "tactical" and "this is the trick they will try", as though conversations with unbelievers are akin to war and that genuine disagreements are mere "tricks". I do not think that anyone who is not willing to consider that it is in fact THEY who are wrong has any business suggestion that the OTHER is wrong. Great video.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciate you communicating that to your fellow Christians. I myself try to influence other atheists to converse in a less combative, more compassionate way. Hopefully together we can help people better preserve their relationships while discussing this stuff! 🙏

@psibert

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 The concept of 'sin' only exists if you accept the concept of a God. A sin is defined as an act against divine law. I do not accept the concept of a God, ergo I cannot sin. I can commit acts that are not conducive to societal good. It is likely that conformity to a common set of values is an evolutionary advantage, thus laws become codified and transgressors are punished. The search for reason behind things is also advantageous. The assumption that there is a reason for the noise in the dark leads to taking cover and survival as opposed to ignoring the noise and being killed by the things that made it. I could got on, but all I can do is provide rational explanations, which you will probably not accept. You will continue to believe that an all powerful being spent 13.6 billion years creating an almost infinite universe for the sole purpose of placing us on this rock round a very average star. And then has a 'personal' conversation with each of us. Even then after 2,000 years just 30% of those human follow Christianity and even they cannot agree on exactly what it means. Is that really very likely?

@Hiforest

2 жыл бұрын

@@psibert No one knows what the bible said when it was written. It is accepted it has been translated and altered over the centuries by man, and yet it is still considered the word of God. Even if a God had a hand in the original text, it's not anything close to that now, I just don't think anyone should be trusting it.

@thecubist3817

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 "either you are lying or Jesus is lying." Why not both? why cant I sin and jesus have not died for it? what jesus just died because he was saying some pretty crazy stuff against the important people of the time so they had him executed? the two things are not mutually exclusive.

@TheOmegaXicor

2 жыл бұрын

@@thecubist3817 the usual answer there is that he said that's why he is dying (I massively doubt any of the books saying that have any evidence behind them) but "if the book that says he died also says he said that is why then logically he has to have died for that reason" and that makes sense to people.

completely shocked me when he just casually threw out that line about gassing cockroaches vs people

@valentine7455

2 ай бұрын

Also this guy really just made an online course to teach Christians how to be disingenuous pricks

I went to a Stand to Reason conference with my mom a few years back… ironically enough, that was the conference that was possibly the final nail in the coffin for my faith in Christianity. I’m glad that someone was willing to cover their claims as well. (On a very unnecessary side note, their soft pretzels were frigidly cold to the taste.)

A coworker at an old job was aghast to find out I was an atheist. She asked me how do people refrain from raping, robbing and murdering at will without a god in heaven to show them the way. So I asked her, is the only reason you aren't doing these things because you are afraid of god? She didn't bring it up again.

@markgallagher1790

2 жыл бұрын

That is the best shutdown I've seen M in years

@seth5143

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, most of them use that same line of argumentation too. Pretty telling isn't it? I try to stay the fuck away from them for that reason because I don't want to be around them if/when they suddenly decide they don't believe in Christianity anymore and all bets are off. They're ticking time bombs.

@oftenwrongphong

2 жыл бұрын

One of my best friends (very religious baptist) confided that the fear of being caught is the only thing preventing his lovely wife from doing "bad" things and that she lacks empathy for others. He wondered if she'll ever see the light. I had to tell him she'll never see it, since 1 in 24 of us lack a conscience, according to what I've read. Just gotta accept it and be glad that she's afraid. Yeah, the deterrent (being religion or law) is necessary for some.

@afqwa423

2 жыл бұрын

It's a witticism I hear a lot and one I don't really care for, even as an anti-religious anti-theist who despises all forms of religion and superstition. I can't relate to whether or not Christians or other theists are driven by fear of God or hell or whatever. I've _heard_ this is true. And it seems like it's the reason they go door to door to "save souls." But it's not something I can see very directly nor have experienced for myself. But when a theist asks the whole rape/murder/pillaging question, what it does do is confirm my low opinion of their thoughtfulness, imagination and empathy. It tells me, in short, that they're blitheringly unintelligent and arrogant and that they never took a moment to consider alternative hypotheticals before opening their mouth to air their opinion. The emotion I feel here is _contempt._ And that word alone does not begin to describe the hatred I feel. Nobody who asks this question has any business posturing about their morality. Their morals are that of a dog's. These are people who spread conspiracy theories and persecute minorities because their in-group has patted them on the head or beaten them to encourage their behavior. I'm not taking shit from a person who can hardly be considered sapient. Thinking is a skill that can be developed, like any other. It's something you must do because you have to live with yourself and by yourself in your head. It takes no special equipment and takes no money. There are no excuses not to develop that skill. If you don't see me murdering, pillaging and raping but still feel the need to ask what stops me from doing so, then you have deep problems as a human being.

@Calcanthite

2 жыл бұрын

“If you need a god to tell you not to do those things, you were never a good person to begin with” was a sentiment I heard when someone I knew was confronted with the same question

Christians: "We can explain everything." Also Christians: *don't explain anything*

@gatorboymike

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Actually, the one word that sums up the Bible is Trump. Or murder. Or retarded. Those are synonyms.

@muchotexto4248

2 жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Okay so, God microwaved a guy to discharge his wrath (a sin) so we can pay for our mistakes (that he allowed to happen because he made us in a way where we mistake) our mistakes being common feelings created by our enviornment and your source is that we don't own the truth and therefore you do

@muchotexto4248

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 ah. who created crime though?

@nebula_unauthorized3093

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 all that sounds cultlike and controlling

@wontcreep

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 the eternal fire, idea of neverending, infinite torture, you are telling me is justice what exactly is justice to you, listen, this is why i want to go as far away from religious people as possible, there is nothing more immoral than your belief, because infinite torture is beyond the worst fantasy of a sociopath

He's so impressed with himself. It's very of putting. For just once I would like to hear an apologist say "I can't prove anything to you. It's all faith."

@hilmanh2832

Ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363bullshit

@hilmanh2832

19 күн бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 how would you expect your religion to be true meanwhile there are billions of humans following other religions and what i've noticed so far is that all of the christian fanatics including you must be reciting some kind of bible passages and what i am about to tell you is that we are not afraid of all those things and we wouldn't respect people like you who oppress the belief on other without willingness of others.

@LineOfThy

16 күн бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363and yet you still do

"We're just cosmic junk. We're just biological accidents, we're the ultimate unplanned pregnancy. Our physical parts are just stuck together without reason or purpose. Human beings are nothing" Wow, he's starting to actually get it! If this gives you an existential crisis, then good, you've just confronted the absurd.

This guy’s argument can be summed up to this: “The bible story sounds pretty to me. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. There’s no way it can’t be true.”

@2gandalf257

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 bro heaven does not exist

@Highdisordermortal

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Cope + ratio

@Highdisordermortal

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'll never believe in any god.

@2gandalf257

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 The problem is, if i was alone without other humans how would i know to follow a random dude if he keeps a secret if i dont know.

@comfeytimid1207

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 are you sure you don't have DID or schizophrenia? often times these religious experiences relate to these two disorders

I like what Matt Dillahunty says about the "explanatory" power of theism: you can't explain a mystery by appealing to a larger mystery.

@petyreyvind9963

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually a really good point-

@chrislyne377

2 жыл бұрын

It's turtles all the way down

@Given119

2 жыл бұрын

Because... Chance and time... Like that isn't synonymous with mystery.

@rossgalbraith3878

2 жыл бұрын

@@Given119 Correct. Neither are synonymous with mystery.

@Given119

2 жыл бұрын

@@rossgalbraith3878 chance and time in fact "mystery" catagories in the context of a godless worldview. The fact that a godless worldview can't account for or be be absolutely certain of much if anything exposes the foolishness of godlessness. 🤷🏼‍♂️ How'd the universe get here... Don't know, time and chance. Same appeal to the unknown.

As an atheist agnostic I do not feel the need to debate with christians or indeed jews, muslims, hindus, buddhists, animists etc. Somehow christians feel the need to debate with me. I just point them to Bart Ehrman's books, blog, podcast and the many excellent science videos on YT and elsewhere.

35:34 As someone with aphantasia (no mind's eye), I would be interested to know how he would react to the implication that I lack a soul.

@godgetti

4 ай бұрын

I am very grateful that this has been pointed out to me (aphantasia), but I'm so sorry to learn that you and others with this condition have no soul. Very sad. (lol, Cheers!)

@bigdomkook

Ай бұрын

He would tell you to pray about it and that “Jesus can save anyone”

@ezekiel1999

10 сағат бұрын

You do lack a soul, just like anyone else...

"Where was that image? It wasn't in your brain." Yes! Yes, it was! Literally everything you see is in your brain, because that's how senses work and are processed.

@adamwright4135

2 жыл бұрын

if these people had even a basic grasp of the science they so easily dismiss, we wouldn't have to argue about things like evolution, "something coming from nothing", and so on - concepts with an irrefutable scientific explanation that don't require the intervention of some magic supernatural being

@Julia-lk8jn

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelenquist3728 I know that science needs to be falsifiable, but I'm not sure that "irrefutable" is the same as "not falsifiable". Doesn't "irrefutable" in the context used mean "proven beyond any reasonable doubt" ? If not, is there another word for it? (English isn't my first language.)

@paulustrucenus

2 жыл бұрын

@@Julia-lk8jn Something irrefutable is something there CAN'T be any counter argument to. For example, I could say that unicorns exist, but they don't interact with traditional matter and thus can't be detected by our instruments nor our senses. There is no counter argument showing this can't be true. It is irrefutable, and thus not scientific. Einstein's theory is considered as true by everyone, but we could maybe one day make a new discovery which could invalidate Einstein's theory. But my theory regarding unicorns cannot in any way be proven 100% wrong.

@amarvelouscalm

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, by his logic because I have aphantasia, which makes me completely unable to "picture" things in my mind, I don't have a soul. I wonder how that jives with his worldview.

@SagiNoSaint

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulustrucenus That's falsifiability not irrefutability, for example, 2 + 2 = 4 is irrefutable, but it's falsifiable because it can be tested and tried to prove wrong, you won't succeed that's why its irrefutable. For clarification heres the definition: Falsifiability is the capacity for some proposition, statement, theory or hypothesis to be proven wrong. That capacity is an essential component of the scientific method and hypothesis testing. In a scientific context, falsifiability is sometimes considered synonymous with testability.

I literally shouted out "Holy S***!" in disbelief when he casually said "This is why we can gas termites but not...". I cannot with this version of Christianity.

@Killer_Kotomibro

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously, that was just zero to WHOA in 2.5 seconds. Kind of tips his hand too because the only way someone could equate the two is a disregard for the worth of anyone not in his own in group on the level of seeing non-christians as less than human. Creepy.

@julietfischer5056

2 жыл бұрын

I heard a 'j' just before he was cut off. Is Koukl a Holocaust denier in the bargain?

@rickgrivera

2 жыл бұрын

@@Killer_Kotomibro And it's the same danged God is the thing! And yet still you get the Blood Libel and centuries of hatred. Mind boggling.

@M4x1m1l14nn

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickgrivera Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't Danton, Lenin, Sanger, Than Shwe, Chávez, Stalin, Zemin, Mengele, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Ceausescu, Honecker, Castro, Pol Pot, Broz Tito, Milosevic, Maduro, Xi Jingping and Mussolini oppressive, sadistic, democidal atheists who, collectively, murdered hundreds of millions of helpless men, women and little children? #AtheistChinaLiedAndPeopleDied

@rickgrivera

2 жыл бұрын

@@M4x1m1l14nn I... don't see how that's relevant to the fact that Greg Koukl-a Christian apologist and person whose theology one is presumably supposed to emulate-basically just asked why it wasn't OK to exterminate certain people. Specifically a group of historically oppressed people who barely survived a genocide. Are you one of those folks who troll youtube comments that don't agree with your worldview with whataboutism and other derailing tactics? I mean, you do you, but there are better hobbies.

37:23 damm that cut is perfect

As someone who does not feel guilty, I will always look down on that argument. I’ve never stolen, cheated, done drugs, I actively dislike and avoid lying, even when it benefits me. So what am I supposed to feel so guilty for? What am I supposed to be asking forgiveness for? I’m less sinful than most Christians and I don’t have a God telling me to be that way. Most things don’t even deserve guilt. Cussing, pride, lust, sex, vanity. All of these things are normal parts of humanity. Christianity prays on vulnerable people who feel immense guilt. Criminals, addicts, people with mental illness. Everyone needs god to feel forgiven and redeemed. What about people who just don’t hurt other people? Because I don’t feel guilty about anything else.

I always get confused when Christians say, "does God exist?'" because what they REALLY mean is "does their version of God exist?"

@rdizzy1

2 жыл бұрын

Well yeah, of course, as they believe this is the only god that could or can exist. In their minds/belief system there is only one god within the universe, and it happens to be theirs, lol.

@LearnAboutFlow

2 жыл бұрын

Also notice when you ask this apologist why is there Covid, why is there famine, why is there disease the answer is suddenly NOT his deity. HMMMMMM

@moisesrosario9716

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah religión ignore variables like, does god exist now? (existed in the past but not now or Doesn't exist now but Will exist in the future), does god existence it based on an specific religión (includes variables like the true religión existed but nobody Belive now, the true religión hasn't been created yet or There's not true religión because god is not based on religión), does god existence is even something we can interact with on a significant way, does god is actually worth worshiping(like if it even cares or not about worship and if god is good or evil, if There's something we can consider god is even powerfull enough to be consider actually god(like if just is a powerfull being to uncomprensible lovecratian being). This are some variables religious person don't even take in consideration.

@LearnAboutFlow

2 жыл бұрын

@@moisesrosario9716 Just the idea that a superior being somehow requires worship immediately negates the Christian argument.

@rdizzy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@LearnAboutFlow Yes, I would believe that any omnipotent, all powerful being would inherently be able to create morally perfect beings if he wanted to, so either A. He isn't all powerful B. He doesn't exist or C. He is a piece of shit and gets off on the suffering of his creations, and purposely created some humans to be "evil". Even if they try to blame it on Satan, God created Satan as well (knowing what he would become beforehand, since he is all knowing)

As someone with aphantasia, it's a sad day to discover I have no soul because I can't picture my mother's clothing in my head.

@leol2254

Жыл бұрын

this is so sad

@deadzoneternity

Жыл бұрын

@@thefaithfulchristian2035 No, you may not, thanks for asking tho

@thefaithfulchristian2035

Жыл бұрын

@@deadzoneternity no problem thank you

@dolfuny

Жыл бұрын

I'm actually feeling pretty good about it, no soul for me lol

@maalikserebryakov

Жыл бұрын

Wow ur life must suck

"Imagine your mom working, maybe she's in the kitchen" SO TELLING!!

@LORDH3LPME

4 ай бұрын

it goes hand in hand, most of the time…

@britzkrieg2

3 ай бұрын

I noticed that, too.

34:27 So according him people with aphantasia don't have souls?

"maybe we feel guilty because we are guilty" is the most diagusting thing to think, there are so many people woth mental health conditions like OCD, PTSD, severe anxiety disorders, etc where their brain overwhelms them with an unwarranted sense of guilt. These people are not guilty of anything except having mental illness. And people like this are just creating more pain for people who are already suffering.

@ASweetShortCake

10 ай бұрын

Where did he say that? Could I please get a Timestamp?

@DRKLRD-kv4cm

10 ай бұрын

​@@ASweetShortCakei think around the last 6 minutes

@AidanDaGreat

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I suffered from anxiety and depression because I felt helpless and that I was going to help. I got the help I needed though. It really rankles me to see this. This could’ve drove me to you know whatting myself. Sorry about him.

@jungtothehuimang

9 ай бұрын

@@AidanDaGreat sorry you had to go through this as well my friend, glad to hear you got the help you needed! Hope you're doing well.

@AidanDaGreat

8 ай бұрын

@@jungtothehuimang I'm doing well now, thanks for asking. It's just that my fellow Christians can be such jerks makes me rather upset.

I always love apologists casually jumping to the wildest conclusions. "If there was something, rather than nothing, it mustve been outside of the natural world, and powerful, and smart, and personal" Dude calm down, wtf

@angrytoaster5974

Жыл бұрын

You summed up Christianity (well most of it) perfectly!

@angrytoaster5974

Жыл бұрын

@Rawlings Rawlings ignorantly writes: “You don’t know what you’re talking about.” 1) You don’t have to copy and paste the same thing twice. (I get pinged either way ;) ) 2) I am fully aware that the universe has some sort of beginning, seeing as the Steady State theory has been disproven, but that is not the part in which the commenter is referring to. They are referring to the notion that it was made by something, “powerful, and smart, and personal.” That, in fact, is the conclusion that people jump to to ‘prove’ the existence of god. My sincerest apologies, but it seems that, “You don’t know what you’re talking about.” It also seems you deserve the title, “dummy,” not me, contrary to your conclusion. 3) I’m not sure what’s going on with your second sentence. You have either two noun-markers next to each other or have ‘a’ as a classification. In the first case, “priori,” should be capitalized and ‘a’ doesn’t belong. In the second, you would capitalize both and possibly add a hyphen if needed. 4) Even a dummy should know not to be annoying, so I guess I’ll have to demote you to, “ignoramus,” instead! 5) Have a nice life knowing that an atheist, out there somewhere, corrected your grammar. (:

@angrytoaster5974

Жыл бұрын

@Rawlings kzread.info/dash/bejne/hpud1cehpaq1qbw.html 1) I was referring to your original post against the creator of the original comment. You literally just copy and pasted it to reply to me, save for the introduction (which I happily mocked). You get pinged for every comment in the comment chain you’re in. 2) Thank you for teaching me a new word and grammatical rule! Really, I quite enjoy learning. I will admit I have been correct, but I also will admit that that wasn’t my main argument. Now that the grammar has been established, let’s move on to the main point. Theism vs Atheism, in this context. Actually, let’s talk first about a specific word chose to insult me with :). You used an accented version of, what I will only refer to as, the ‘r word.’ That word has years of mental torment attached to it and many people who are defined by the actual definition are smarter than you. I never once referred to you in a slur or curse. I don’t need violent words to describe what you are because my brain has a big enough capacity to be anything more than apathetic about others. 3) I decided to educate myself on, “The Five Reasons,” by watching a video (as linked above). The, in your words, “bulletproof,” argument is disproven by itself. If you believe it is not adequately explained in the video, please feel free to give a source you think best describes it! 4) I am willing to give you my definition, no problem, but I can’t guarantee it will be the same as yours. I would define God as someone who is believed to, by certain religions, have created or started time, the universe, and/or the beginning of everything. Someone who is said to be omniscient and all powerful. I also find your rendition of atheists as a whole ignorant. I just debunked it. Not all atheists are the same, and all of us may have differing reasons for our beliefs or lack here of. I, myself, for example, don’t believe in God, a god, or many gods, because many of the arguments originally made to share the idea that God(s) is/are real have been proven false by new scientific discoveries. I understand what God is believed to by, and I am, as shown, willing to define God. I just also recognize the fact that there is science, evolution, and physically proven things. I believe that whoever wants to believe in God(s) can, but that it’s not okay to force that belief on others. Forcing beliefs is what many apologists do. Contrary to the stated half-baked insult, I’m not illiterate, but right now I kind of wish I was. At least I wouldn’t be subject to your obtuse, ignorant insensibility.

@angrytoaster5974

Жыл бұрын

@Rawlings If you could read properly, you would be able to tell that I do, in fact, take criticism ;). I enjoy it, especially when it teaches me something new, because I’m not ignorant nor stupid. You, of all people, wouldn’t be able to tell who has a more than half a brain, since you, obviously, don’t know what it’s like. I sincerely apologize to all the people in your life being forced to deal with you.

@martindizlindahl3649

Жыл бұрын

Man, Rawlings you're just a fully fledged ashole brother. Maybe that God of yours could grant you some of the kindness you lot preach to everyone else.

Funny that Koukl brings up the "who's knocking at the door" question, because literally RIGHT NOW, as I'm typing this message, my mother often puts decorative ornaments on the door for the season. It is incredibly windy outside right now, so that ornament keeps getting caught by the winds outside and knocking against the door. I keep being tricked thinking "oh, someone is at the door!" alongside my dogs, but time and time again it is nobody. So no, not every time there's a knock at the door is it a person.

@TheGamingLegendsOfficial

15 күн бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 God didn't suffer at all. That was a drop in the infinite bucket. Stop peddling such nonsense and think for about 2 seconds, will you?

I read that book of horrors. An angry, cruel and murderous invisible fella does mean things to people and tells them that if they don't worship him he will burn them for eternity. And he loves you. What's not to believe?

I find the “if there’s a knock, there must be a knocker” argument so funny - like can you imagine this dude being on edge 24/7 because every time the house creaks he thinks there’s literally someone tiptoeing about upstairs and knocking shit over for funsies

@einarabelc5

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know what's more stupid, the assumption that other people are that stupid or the stupidity of thinking that makes us smart.

@Aziara86

2 жыл бұрын

I know, right? Tell me you've never lived in an old house without telling me you've never lived in an old house. Damn things creak and knock constantly.

@impartialthrone2097

2 жыл бұрын

My immediate though was that he only compares the big bang to things directly caused by the actions of a living organism. He doesn't compare it to a thunderstorm and say "ah-hah! The thunder must have a thunderer," because thunder is a completely understood natural phenomenon and it wouldn't serve his narrative.

@medexamtoolsdotcom

2 жыл бұрын

Or as I have found out in the last few days, if there's a fedex courier, there's NO damn knock on the door or ring on the doorbell. They will just silently leave it in front of your door even if you're home so that it gets stolen. Fuck fedex. I certainly wish there were more knocks.

@KeithLivingston

2 жыл бұрын

@@impartialthrone2097 the wind must have had a 'winder'. That's why I'm in favor of changing some of the wording when I talk about these things. It makes it more difficult to personify, or create an anthropomorphism, or attribute intent to something. Instead of saying 'creation', maybe we should use something such as "came into being". "If the universe came into being, it must have had a 'came into beinger'."

"if one version provides an explanation for something, and the other doesn't - then the first one is better" So what I'm getting here is that if you are asked "What did your Neighbour have for breakfast?" The answer "He was sniffing unicorn horn dust" is better than "I don't know" Yeah, sure dude

@ladygeneveve3805

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 if the punishment for lying is being tortured for all eternity then the person deciding the punishments is a horrible monster.

@VPshandlewasstolen

Жыл бұрын

"he was sniffing unicorn horn dust" 💀💀💀💀💀 i can't dude, take my like

@narwhalmyth1382

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 If hatred towards someone sends you to hell Im pretty sure the entire earth is doomed

@naturessacrifice8265

Жыл бұрын

@@narwhalmyth1382 Hell that guy you're replying to is speed running the "break every rule of the Bible about spreading the word of God" category. He's judging everyone, he's a hateful prick and is incredibly loud.

@miguelmackay4851

Жыл бұрын

Bc obviously an explanation that explains everything is better than admitting you don’t know jack sht 😂😂😂😂😂

18:13 "If there was a God, would you think that the God Godded itself? There can't be a God without a Godder." There is no way he had this actual conversation and feels smart about it unless the non-believer he is talking about was already bullied into silence and disengaging from the conversation.

The story on 17-19 minutes was me. I was the boy and you are right. He faked the conversation suspected out the points I used to destroy him. It makes me sad that they people like this will fake their conversations to try to present be a point.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

10 күн бұрын

Wait really? You’ve met Kokul? I’d be interested to hear about it if you’d like to email me

I love that the mind's eye argument implies that people with aphantasia like me don't have souls and everyone else does

@marknieuweboer8099

7 ай бұрын

Yeah - while nobody else has a soul either.

@nangsanbhalangblah333

6 ай бұрын

Like the blanks from warhammer

@alexfrost2799

6 ай бұрын

@@nangsanbhalangblah333 difference between Warhammer and real life: in Warhammer there is undeniable proof that the soul exists and it affects how humans operate. The soul (or lack thereof) affects things other than humans. It is actually tangible. No such thing has happened as of yet in real life. In reality, a person's feelings or bodily reaction are often mistaken as 'feeling with your soul'. We simply do not know enough to clarify whether a soul is an actual thing or just a construct created by religion. Hence why atheism is a thing now but is virtually extinct in 40k (among humans that is). A lack of concrete proof is typically why atheism exists.

@Aiden-qo8op

5 ай бұрын

@@alexfrost2799it’s a game, it doesn’t show what would truly happen if people didn’t have souls

@alexfrost2799

5 ай бұрын

@@Aiden-qo8op in-universe, it actually does show the difference between someone with a soul and without one. The point here is that there is no such evidence to prove souls exist in real life. Clearly you didn't understand the point of my comment.

Being able to say "A Big Bang needs a Big Banger!" with a straight face is the mark of a true God-fearing Christian xD

@iriskohr6900

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, you get it! Some of those contemporary worship songs...

@covfefe_drumpfh

2 жыл бұрын

But who created that _Big Banger_ , tho?

@LukeSumIpsePatremTe

2 жыл бұрын

@@covfefe_drumpfh Special pleading

@Heliscope

2 жыл бұрын

A God needs a Godder??

@blackfoxgames4431

2 жыл бұрын

@@Heliscope yes

I truly respect and admire you for your logical reasoning skills, though I can’t say I agree, and I think it would be interesting to have a discussion over some topics

For the last claim about finding hope and purpose: In anything you do in life the harder it is to achieve the bigger the satisfaction. So in my opinion not having a god to “give” me my purpose or hope makes it so when I do find my purpose it will feel more satisfying. And isn’t that the point of life? To find your purpose? So why would you want your purpose to be given to you?

Hearing humanity called "The ultimate unplanned pregnancy" is oddly the best way to describe humanity and I will proceed to use it from now on.

@rhokesh4391

2 жыл бұрын

That actually made me laugh out loud, nice comparison ;) I would like to add that the result of an unplanned pregnancy, i.e., a baby, can make their parents very happy, and such a child can go on to lead a happy, fulfilled life, in which case the accident was a good thing.

@kspoo10_

2 жыл бұрын

I _am_ cosmic junk ✨🌌🌠

@fantasyreading5246

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree and the guilt is supposed to be because we were unwanted and we are supposed to be ashamed of that? That's just so abusive In my opinion and depressing 😕

@stm7810

2 жыл бұрын

It makes me even more in favour of abortion.

@renanleandro5914

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't understand why people like the professor from the course need to believe that humanity is somehow special, why does believing that you are cosmic junk is something so disturbing for them? What's wrong in not being special to the eyes of the universe? The universe doesn't give a fuck about us and we also don't need to give a fuck about what it thinks about us. We need to be special to one another, that's what truly matters, we ARE special to one another simply because we are all human beings.

On his point about guilt. “We feel guilty because we are guilty.” As a child (11 YO) in school I took part in a protest where after lunch, or recess for Americans, we refused to go back to class because the teachers after a child got hurt decided balls sports were no longer allowed. We had organised a sit down protest. As you can imagen the teachers were not happy. Long story short they didn’t tell our parents about this incident however they made us feel we had done something terrible. I thought we had done something really wrong and felt incredibly guilty. As an adult I now realise I did nothing wrong and feel proud that I stood up to authority. His argument about feeling guilty because I am guilty dose not work here because guilt is subjective. Something I felt guilty about at the time I am now proud I did. If anyone is wondering the protest worked because a few weeks later we were aloud to play ball sports again.

@Demopans5990

2 жыл бұрын

And that my friend, is how the CCP holds on to power. In order to enforce compliance, they don't need gulags, they just publicly shame. JWs use the same playbook, as do many others.

@davidnichol4735

2 жыл бұрын

It's called gaslighting. Strangely enough, it tends to get a pass where most other forms of psychological abuse don't.

@TurinofDoriath

2 жыл бұрын

Guilt is subjective based on time and place. To imagine guilt as an immutable state that is static across all time is infantile thinking.

@lususnaturae881

2 жыл бұрын

@@Demopans5990 "JWs use the same playbook" Except he was talking about gaslighting, you're talking about people receiving consequences for their actions. And the CCP does not act like """JWs"""", they murder the opposite, not call them out for their bullshit. Americans...

@CoronaryArteryDisease.

2 жыл бұрын

Cool story! I know for me there are a number of things that I was told to feel guilty about that now I am proud of doing as well.

For the record, the statement made at 17:02 - 17:17 is what drove me to click the Subscribe button just now.

_"If Koukl wants to educate his audience on how to have real, productive conversations with atheists, he should listen to what atheists have to say about the claims he and other apologists make about us."_ But that's his secret: His "class" *isn't* about "teaching you how to engage with and defeat/convince an atheist" - It's reinforcing indoctrination to make the Christian student more resistant to the logical/reasonable arguments and counter-arguments the atheist is likely to bring to bear in response to their evangelism.

@PopeGoliath

2 жыл бұрын

This. Nobody's going to go out and convert more atheists after watching the course. The course exists as loss prevention for existing believers. It teaches them the mental gymnastics they need to dodge reason and logic and stay safe in their beliefs.

@EskChan19

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. It's just so that the christian student will say"Hah, typical atheist" when they debunk his watchmaker/carmaker/citybuilder/doorknocker/whateverthef analogy for the millionth time.

@BlackEyedGhost0

2 жыл бұрын

I once made the mistake of thinking apologists are attempting to use knowledge about reality to defend the reality of God. So long story short I'm a steadfast atheist now.

@somethinginthepines

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, as someone with a christian fundie for a father its literally all to confirm your own biases. I'm not even an atheist (not a christian either), his arguments just dont work.

@IndigoWhiskey

2 жыл бұрын

once you establish you have a nutterbutter who gets off on being confrontational just laugh at their beliefs to their face, as much histerics as you can manage with the wheezing short crazy rephrasing of what they say they believe as occasional punctuation to more laughing. apparently theyre that simple and cant cope emotionally with this. i had to forcebly regenerate my schadenfreude to pull it off but worth, so worth. yes i appreciate the want to get along but with the willingly at war on the subject you will never manage this untill you defeat that self assured confidence. have a nice day

*There should be legal consequences for using the word UNIVERSITY without accreditation or authority, the same way a person is not allowed to use the word DOCTOR or claim to officially be an ENGINEER, when they are not.*

@heckingbamboozled8097

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeRFrazier What a pointless reply

@jeremysmith4620

2 жыл бұрын

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@MonkeyJedi99

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeRFrazier There are only consequences for graduates of Pedantry University.

@garethbaus5471

2 жыл бұрын

Given how it can sometimes be used in attempt to create I illusion of credibility and promote misinformation in cases like Prager U I can definitely understand why that would be justified.

@garethbaus5471

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeRFrazier I mean non factual or diliberatly distorted claims used to manipulate people.

My favorite problem with the Christian argument against atheism is Matthew 12:31 “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.” Like ok, once you’ve convinced me that not only God exists, but your very specific rendition of god is the only god that exists, I’m still not going to heaven. What greater blasphemy against the Holy Spirit could there be besides deny it’s existence? Your all forgiving god don’t even forgive me for that. Guess I’ll take my newly found theism to Shiva, Waheguru, Wakan Tanka, Allah, or any of the other thousands of gods.

The soul bit made me laugh aloud. I did not SEE my mother's blouse. I imagined it. I quoted that "argument" to my teenager who also got a good laugh from it.

"We're the ultimate unplanned pregnancy!" I honestly feel sorry for anyone born under those circumstances in his audience. People don't have less worth just because their conception was an accident, Greg. Nor does the universe have less worth just because there was no magic man pulling levers behind the curtain.

@estinsidebottom

2 жыл бұрын

And Even If There *Were* A Magic Man Pulling The Levers Behind The Curtain. How Would That Make The Universe Valuable? What Difference Does It Make? And Do They Not Find The Idea Of Your Purpose Being Decided For You Before You're Even Born Depressing/Dystopian? There's Just So Much Wrong With All Of It.

@eragon78

2 жыл бұрын

@@estinsidebottom Honestly, it would make it less valuable, because instead of being able to make your own decisions in life, you would be forced to adhere to his whims or you would be punished for all eternity. Your "meaning" in life would only be what that magic man has deemed acceptable for you, and you would be forced to live his wishes without being allowed to forge your own path as doing so would condemn you for all eternity. I find life much more meaningful since I can determine my own values and desires.

@user-s3ts8my2x

2 жыл бұрын

People value "value" and "meaning" too much

@frenchtoast2319

2 жыл бұрын

Pro life, right?

@sardonicus1739

2 жыл бұрын

@@estinsidebottom To me there being a god would make life and humans have less value inherently. Life would be less valuable because their belief in an afterlife makes this world just a tiny drop of water in eternity. Where if you're atheist this is likely your only life which makes every second precious because you know there isn't an eternity to live after your death, and this is it. I noticed atheists tend to value life more, where Christians tend to be caviler about death and killing people because they think, "God will sort it out." According to Chrstianity our entire existence was made so that God has someone to worship and praise them, and when you go to heaven you spend the rest of eternity endlessly praising god according to what it says in the bible about what happens in heaven, so your entire existence is basically just a tool to use for an egomaniacal being to feel good about itself by having some outside source say how amazing it is uncritically, and convert others to say the same. With atheism you're not trapped in that way. You create your own purpose and meaning which is usually a bit more satisfying than, "your purpose is to praise god." You can make your purpose to help make the world a better place for future generations instead or something like that which is a more productive purpose.

"You feel guilty because you are guilty." Bruh, I feel guilty for going to bed early.

@EveCat2343

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I'm already a Christian lol

@LineOfThy

Жыл бұрын

@@EveCat2343 He goes to every comment regardless

@Qubecumber

Жыл бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I will probably regret joining this thread, but it's nice to see a youtube comment preacher who actually takes the time to respond to things. As a former christian, I really don't have anything against religion BUT I would suggest to watch both videos pertaining to your point of view, and videos from the opposite. What I'm trying to say is that if God truly does exist, and you're confident in your position, then I would recommend to watch both Christian AND atheist videos. If you really want to convince atheists to convert, you will need to understand their point of view, and vice versa. I do have one question about belief though; I see you point out in another thread that other religions are "made up" but how do you know that your bible, written by humans who are prone to mistakes, has no even slight errors?

@novastar6112

Жыл бұрын

@@Qubecumber yea... barring access to the other perspective is one thing that many cult leaders and brainwashers do, a thing that this guy keeps saying atheists are!

@Qubecumber

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Fair answer, and fits with the idea that if God exists, he wouldn't let mistakes like that happen. Thank you for unlike most yt preachers, answering questions. I wish you luck in converting others, while also understanding them.

Also things have "knocked" on my door and no one has been there. Sometimes the wind just shakes the door or something hits it.

I got an ad that was just a sermon and it took a full minute to realize it wasn't a citation

*there's knocking on the door* Theist: ,,God knocked on my door." Atheist: ,,No, that wasn't God." Agnostic: ,,I don't know what that was." Scientists: ,,Let's find out, where that knocking came from."

@danielgautreau161

2 жыл бұрын

Theist: The knock is explained by a God knocking. Therefore God is the BEST explanation for the knock.

@danieladamczyk4024

2 жыл бұрын

Normal people: "Hey, pizza here."

@treves489

2 жыл бұрын

Walter White: *"I'm the one who knocks"*

@TornadoMatty01

2 жыл бұрын

This is fucking good

@nadeemshaikh7863

2 жыл бұрын

Philosopher: "How do I know whether there was an actual knock or a mere illusion of a knock?"

I kinda love the fact he says that if you're an atheist or don't believe in god, you'll have an existential crisis. It's true, many people do have those sorts of crisis, but that is a point AGAINST religion as I understand it. If humans are prone to feeling insignificant, to having crisis because of that, it means they'd be logically prone to collectively make up a divinity that makes us feel special.

@OtakuJuanma2

10 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Ok.... So are you going to make a point for or against what I said? Because your reply as it stands is just "hi, I'm a Christian. Period"

@AidanDaGreat

9 ай бұрын

Sorry about him. Please don’t judge us based on that vocal minority. Also, dude , if you talk about what you believe in such a manner; people will automatically assume that we are jerks that don’t accept reason. Talking to John, not the original poster

@jungtothehuimang

9 ай бұрын

Could not agree more

@OtakuJuanma2

9 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 "I've seen heaven and hell" Suuuuute you have.... If people could actually see faith locations like that, there wouldn't be a doubt. Also, it can't be "personal" if we're talking about the creation of a religions. That will always be a massive group, either coming up with a religion out of nowhere, or a higher power addressing them millenia ago. It can't be personal.

@AidanDaGreat

9 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Aye, mate, I'm a Christian. Please actually talk to me instead of copy and paste. I wanna chat,

What I usually ask apologists when it comes to absolute morality is "Do you believe that child marriage is a sin". Whatever the answer is(obviously if it's not super nuanced) I then ask "can you show me where in your religious text does it tell you to not marry a women till 18?". Where does this comes from? Was Jesus fine with letting humans(full of sins) decide when should they marry a woman? And if that's the case why do you not believe in that now? Your ancestors did believe that it's fine if humans do that.

Ive only recently discovered your videos so I'm new to you content, but from what I've had the pleasure of watching, it's been absolutely refreshing to hear someone willing to not only discuss but truly appreciate opposing view with concise open-minded reason and logic. That all said, this dude on these videos is absolutely ridiculous. NOTHING he said had anything close to being reasonable. I would not be surprised if he's fabricated his educational background, his talking points and "undeniable evidence" isnt even close to convincing and seriously either made me mad or just laugh at the ridiculousness. Idk, I truly value your content, but this dude is such a terrible representation of a religious scholar and maybe even a Christian in itself, that it actually kind surprised me that you would even entertain watching his course let alone make a video featuring it. Anyway.... thank you for being the one KZread content creator out of the one youtube content creators I enjoy watching.

Greg Koukl is a fascinating individual. He is a living example of the worst caricatures of Christian Aplologists, proof that such people do in fact exist.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

Bet he lives in a very homogenous upper class neighborhood and cooks a great barbeque. What's not to like ? Except the part when the dutiful wife brings out the desert and asks if you want to make some ancient murdered guy your lord and savior. Leave me with my poor atheist friends eating pringles, please.

@rembrandt972ify

2 жыл бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 But I like Pringles.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

@@rembrandt972ify Me too !

@cnault3244

2 жыл бұрын

@@rembrandt972ify Pringles are an example of something that was intelligently designed.

@devinlyne199

2 жыл бұрын

@@cnault3244 ?

-"atheism is a religion" ✔ -watchmaker analogy ✔ -"if there is no god there is no morality" ✔ Yep, just another video atheist "can't explain"

@rdizzy1

2 жыл бұрын

No evidence that the universe operates like a watch, and no reasoning as to why the "watchmaker" does not need to be created as well.

@utubepunk

2 жыл бұрын

Rinse, repeat. Apologetics remains a house of repetitive cards.

@eh9618

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget "shifting the burden of proof"

@cy-one

2 жыл бұрын

@@rdizzy1 Shieet! I never even thought of that! Next time someone throws the watchmaker at me, I'll highlight how the watchmaker, _in their phucking worldview_ has a watchmaker-maker :D Genuine thanks!

@GumSkyloard

2 жыл бұрын

@@cy-one "But the watchmaker always was!" "So, that means that the watch can always be?"

If I had seen Greg Koukl’s video on Atheism when I was in high school, it would have seriously expedited my shift from Christianity to Atheism. The problem with Christian apologists is that their explanations and justifications are so out of left field, that they only amplify doubt for those smart enough to spot a used car salesman.

@HungryWarden

4 ай бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363no, the issue is the fact that you won’t shut the hell up, get a job and a life and do something meaningful instead of wasting your life on Earth trying to convert people to Christianity by spitting Bible verses at them. Here’s a quote from someone, I’m not sure who: “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re stupid than open your mouth and prove them right.”

I am from Germany and i speak and can understand english good but you videos make me feel like the first few years of english where i used my intuition to quess what a word could me in that context its crazy xD (dixlexia)

All I can say is: No wonder it’s a free course. Had it not been: Every theist who took it, would ask for a refund after the first conversation with an atheist. I liked this approach on your part. You put the time in. Good work.

@therealatheistexperience7654

2 жыл бұрын

Pay what you get

@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT

2 жыл бұрын

I am actually surprised that he never placed his content behind a paywall, or charge steep fees to attend a seminar or retreat. That's how successful grifters made easy money in the past. The sunk cost effect alone keeps the marks from facing the reality of mistakes and cutting their losses.

@piercemchugh4509

2 жыл бұрын

You couldn't pay me to take that course.

@sfamerken12

2 жыл бұрын

@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT that's the plan for "lesson" 2.

@skateboardingjesus4006

2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting him to put in an effort for his apologetics. His "bumps" where nothing more than turds in the road. Juvenile reasoning and stock excuses, used by nearly all Christians. I know it's a free course, but I demand financial recompense.

I'm particularly appalled by the, _"Maybe we feel guilty because we ARE guilty."_ We can, in fact, feel guilty even if we haven't done anything wrong!! It is so fucking dangerous to spread that message to people who might have guilt forced onto them from abusive codependency or something similar. "Objective morality" my ass.

@Marshemillow

2 жыл бұрын

@Puer Mortem That is unfortunately exactly true. Trust me, as an ex-cult member, I'm all too familiar with the cycle of using misplaced guilt to suck people back in. I guess I just wish moderate christians understood this instead of continuously trying to defend the human-made perpetuator of their abuse.

@zer0iam

2 жыл бұрын

actually also the oposite of your claim is also posible, someone can be guilty but feel no guilt at all, as there are scammers or serial killers who can do the most terrible things on another person yet feel no remorse on their actions

@Lordpeyre

2 жыл бұрын

Good point!!

@angryatheist

2 жыл бұрын

Objectively speaking even murder can be permissible ( bin ladens death) , I’m not American but I cheered , my point is there is no objective morality it’s all societal rationalism

@ThePotatoSapien

2 жыл бұрын

His whole argument around “objective morality” just annoyed me. I don’t believe there are ANY objective moral rules, and anyone who claims otherwise will need to give some real good reasons for it. The only reason why humans SEEM to share objective morals is because we evolved to be that way. That doesn’t mean that “thou shall not kill” is an objective universal, it just means that, GENERALLY, we evolved to have a strong pack instinct, and you can’t cooperate to hunt for food if everyone keeps murdering everyone else! Murder wasn’t always illegal, and murder wasn’t always frowned upon. It’s just that, THESE days, we tend to not lie it, so we’ve constructed our laws around that general instinct to ostracize people that could potentially destabilize the trust of our troop. Nothing more, nothing less. If a different species ever becomes intelligent to form laws, or if there is already a species with a type of “moral code”, they might consider murder completely differently from us! Also, that’s just such a horrible thing to say to anyone. Again, with evolution throwing us under the bus, but social anxiety and imposter syndrome come from our instinct to “fit in” with the group. We NEED validation for others, and we NEED to be able to trust people. The problem is that some people can be awful, and those people will hurt you, even if you trust them. But your instincts tell you they should be trusted, especially if they’re one of the only people you CAN rely on, so, in an effort to keep mutual trust going, your brain decides that it’s your fault. Because sometimes learning that someone can’t be trusted hurts more than thinking it’s something you did. But saying things like this don’t help. They just reaffirm the brain’s unhealthy coping mechanisms and hinder the process to having healthy relationships. I feel terrible for anyone who is stuck listening to this guy, because he could do some real damage.

"atheists can't explain where stuff came from" wow, you added a magic person who came from nowhere and that totally fixed that problem. and no you are not allowed to ask where he came from because that is just not allowed.

Brilliant presentation. Thank you.

At this point, the story of Jesus might more credible than any of these apologist's "I was at a dinner party with an atheist..." or "I was on a plane next to an atheist" stories.

@frankwhelan1715

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know, the knock on the door convinced me.

@qwadratix

2 жыл бұрын

My favourite is 'I used to be an atheist'.

@stephenk.1997

2 жыл бұрын

And the sad thing is even if the story is true and accurate in every way, so what. That’s one person caught off guard without prepared answers, not all atheists. What if the knock at the door was something else like wind blowing something against it. We can test door knocking hypothesis’s by just opening the door. We can’t yet test universe beginnings because it only happened once as far as we know.

@MendTheWorld

2 жыл бұрын

How about, “I was in a foxhole next to an atheist?” Nah. It’s not a credible scenario at all.

@waltonsmith7210

2 жыл бұрын

@MendTheWorld thats exactly the kind of unfalsifiable, anecdotal kind of argument the oc was talking about.Even if it was true,even if every single atheist in a foxhole temporarily became a believer when theyre scared for their life, it still wouldnt prove theres a god. It would be a meaningless data point.

I saw someone in the comments say “the meaning of life is to serve and have a relationship with god.” If I exist just to serve and make one dude feel happy because he’s lonely all up in the clouds, then I don’t want to exist.

@mushu_beardie2556

5 ай бұрын

same here. I don't want to serve some random dude, I want to cure AIDS! I want to make a bacteriophage therapy for tuberculosis! I think that's a way more noble goal than serving god by... *checks notes* being bored in church for 2 hours a week?

@bobs182

3 ай бұрын

God is an abstract concept of humanity concretized. Belief in God is placing the concept above humanity itself.

@c.m.p2943

2 ай бұрын

The christians teach that "We humans exist to serve god and enjoy him forever ". To serve someone i understand but to enjoy, that i don' t undetstand. Can soneone exlain please.

@yurisei6732

2 ай бұрын

@@bobs182Then why does so much of the doctrine of God feature reprehensible text that advocates for harming humanity? Why do so many of the preachers of God advocate for actions that harm humanity? Why are so many of the followers of God so self-obsessed?

@bobs182

2 ай бұрын

@@yurisei6732 People have given the concept of God meaning to itself making the concept the source of reality replacing reality itself as fundamental. As for the actions of religious people, they are simply acting out their tribal instincts which have been idealized as God. Followers of God are self-obsessed because God is a projection of themselves including their tribal group identity as humans are highly social/tribal. Tribes are us/them with the others known as heathens, pagans, heretics, blasphemers who deserve eternal torment for not joining them. The function of religion is as a tribal group identity/mythology in which adherents strongly identify and incorporate into themselves as part of their tribal instincts.

How to be an apologist: Step 1, straw man your opponent Step 2, wonder why theyre walking away

This guy would be so aggravating to debate with. He is the kinda guy who would close his ears, aggressively state his points, and then declare himself the winner because he couldn't make sense of the other sides points.

@BurdieFromHell

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 No thanks, I'd rather not buy into dogma. I'm a registered member of The Satanic Temple...

@alexandermaxcanjuga3368

9 ай бұрын

Yeah like all parents

@deleuseneto7882

9 ай бұрын

In my country, we would call him a chess-player pigeon. He would ignore the rules, throw pieces in disarry and fly away thinking he won. I treat them as pigeons and avoid playing chess with one.

@benlap1977

9 ай бұрын

Lol! Yep, that's often the case with people like him. They spout some huge multilayered nonsense so grotesque and self evidrntly false there's no possible comeback... and then see the silence of their "opponent" (cause they're interested in winning, not learning) as a victory, when in fact they demonstrated to everyone around how much of a douche they are, but everyone is too polite to say it out loud.

@wayward5219

8 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363STOP IT

I laughed so hard when he started talking about experiencing the taste of strawberry or feeling fur or hearing music because it’s coming from the soul. No, dude… that’s a memory. You’re remembering the experience of those things XD

@khlopzi

2 жыл бұрын

Well first it comes from receptors and nerves, they conduct nervous signals to the brain where those information are stored

@Bob-bs9ok

2 жыл бұрын

Damn, I can't rember those things to such a level, guess I just don't have a soul :(

@CaptainObvious0000

2 жыл бұрын

aside from the fact that the existence of psychoactive substances disproves the existence of souls.

@Nick_J_

2 жыл бұрын

Also, strawberries suck, and if you are touching fur that has been stripped off an animal, you are in fact soulless

@melaniewilson1742

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainObvious0000 Lmao good point, I didn’t think of that.

I’m kinda shocked the bit on the computer wasn’t accompanied with that scene from Zoolander.

@markwazny6361

14 күн бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 What, exactly, does that have to do with Zoolander?

I’m so glad you explained his point on Darwin. I had no idea what he was trying to get at and how Darwin and morality could be connected.

The worst part of the soul argument, he makes it sound like people who can't hear, or can't see, or otherwise don't have a sense are missing a part of their soul and I cannot begin to imagine the amount of harm that idea has caused and will cause.

@johnnym3071

9 ай бұрын

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Everyone knows only Mormons get into heaven

@wesnohathas1993

9 ай бұрын

That point definitely won't get across for anyone with aphantasia either.

@F0rgetful_Gh0st

8 ай бұрын

Honestly if I would have been told something like that a year ago I would have been sent into spiral of fear thinking I only have a partial soul and was broken

@FrozEnbyWolf150

8 ай бұрын

They will definitely imply this about anyone who is disabled, neurodivergent, or LGBTQ+. You're made to feel broken or inferior, which is exactly what organized religion wants, because it's easier to manipulate you if you think something is missing that only the church can fulfill.

@boggless2771

7 ай бұрын

​@@wesnohathas1993or gingers.... Lol jk. Just ask him to define soul? Then explain to him that he's talking about consiousness. And then have him explain why my dog isn't consious. Then my cat, then this gold fish. And then a worm. Then ChatGPT.

The Christian professor got his degrees from a apologist diploma mill and the quality of his course reflects this. No one with a masters degree in philosophy from a real university would make such siIIy arguments

@KopitioBozynski

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly there are some that do but they're smart enough and payed enough attention to their classes that they can say it without coming out and saying it.

@FelisImpurrator

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, the degree is in Christian Apologetics. The clown shoes and nose are pretty much the first thing you see here.

@philmcgee4591

2 жыл бұрын

Very many high school kids can refute this

@Daneelro

2 жыл бұрын

But the basic issue is not the quality of his course. What we atheists need to understand is that most apologists never intended to confront our actual ideas: their real goal is to retain the faith of their followers and themselves in the face of the arguments and the very existence of atheists. For that, you do not need to engage with the actual arguments, because faith is fundamentally irrational, and to achieve the goal of protecting people's faith, it is enough to appeal to the irrational roots of their co-religionists. Sadly, I think Greg Koukl's apologist diploma was apt for his goals.

@user-il9ze9py8c

2 жыл бұрын

He got a degree to try to rationalize an irrational belief. You can't disprove a christian god any more than you can a hindu god. Doesn't mean either of them exist. He started with a conclusion and argues in loops and circles to support it. With zero evidence he still believes it, and if you aren't capable of letting go of a belief no matter how little evidence there is to prove it, you're not thinking about it rationally.

"I took a Hogwarts class about OSHA regulations. It was worse than I expected."

There is research and experiments that can actually "read minds", showing images and music when a person is thinking of them. Its not in our "souls", its in our brains. Proven.

So basically the whole course seems to be about "How do I trick rational people into saying something irrational that supports my belief".

@bladerunner3314

2 жыл бұрын

And "Let me tell you anecdotes I swear by my imaginary friend happened but in reality never did." This guy met less atheists than Ray Comfort and he takes a wiiiiiiiide berth around us.

@pvanukoff

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It's not about actually proving your argument, but about trying to paint the other person into a corner.

@Rawnblade13

2 жыл бұрын

@@bladerunner3314 What? The Mighty Banana Man fears atheists?!

@eyesack6845

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry i can't like. It has 69 likes.

@TheGeneralleasy

2 жыл бұрын

@@eyesack6845 Now you can, we're past that point.

There's nothing more comforting for me than feeling of my insignificancy on a cosmic scale

@sava-smth

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 if your god doesn't exist heavens are equally closed for both of us, no matter how hard you pray. And it sure looks like your god doesn't exist, go figure

@Mariwend

Жыл бұрын

@@sava-smth Biblical bullshit means nothing to someone who doesn't blatantly believe a book that's been hidden copied and modified over generations. Even if the bible was once an actual divinely inspired grace unto the world, it isn't now.

@somo4227

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363what is the point of getting into heaven

@sava-smth

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 define nothing looser

@sava-smth

Жыл бұрын

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 yeah sweetheart for society to function it needs rules thats why IN SOCIAL SPECIES such as humans these rules evolved)) if they didn't, we wouldn't be social species))0) just as road rules - they weren't implied once and for all, and there were times when there was no rules exept for general hope that drivers will figure it out. And people have been hurt! And because of that, things that cause the most harm, are forbidden! And it isn't stopping everyone from breaking the rules, but it sure stops majority, that is, in a grand scheme of things, good enough for human population not to die out