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@ActiveResearchYouTube

Жыл бұрын

Atheism is opposed to religion, that doesn't mean you can't have your own understanding of God despite religion, what a FARCE. Super close minded to suggest there is no reasonable middle ground.

@gibraltar4841

Жыл бұрын

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@ground_news

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful working with you, thanks for helping spread our mission!

@DrJameszimmerman99

Жыл бұрын

Atheism is an argument from personal incredulity.

@DrJameszimmerman99

Жыл бұрын

Atheism is an argument from personal incredulity

Facts don’t care about Ben Shapiro’s feelings.

@zotmaster

Жыл бұрын

He sure relies on his feelings a lot.

@pm71241

Жыл бұрын

Hehe.... Yeah. For a Climate Science Denier, it's rich to run around pushing his slogan.

@angeliparraguirre7329

Жыл бұрын

Ouch, it is too ironic.

@benwil6048

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same, such surprise ö

@cosmicfilth4028

Жыл бұрын

🫵 congratulations. You now can feel something from living in your moms basement.

"we don't know, therefore it was God" is like finding a dead body with a circular stab wound and assuming the murderer was a unicorn.

@craisin7120

Жыл бұрын

Are you assuming unicorns aren't real? Do you assume they aren't real because no one has ever found one? Hmmm, maybe you need a little faith, trust, and pixie dust. Seems to me a horn on a horse would be evolutionarily advantageous...

@ArtemisSilverBow

Жыл бұрын

@@craisin7120 rhinoceros. Narwhales. Explorers saw rhinoceros, narwhales, etc. and merged them with horses. Not dissimilar from how medieval churches created (yes, created) relics to boost a town's (and church's) popularity and income.

@lincabe321

Жыл бұрын

@@craisin7120 Ben Shapiro being honest and intelligent would also be advantageous but here we are.

@Abyzz_Knight

Жыл бұрын

@@craisin7120 what evolutionary advantage? Horses and Zebras have the benefit that they have a powerful kick to defend themselves while being chased by a predator. Why would it be an evolutionary advantage to instead stand their ground and attempt to fight off the predator with a singular straight horn? Especially when they can easily be overpowered by a group of predators?

@richardcameron4843

Жыл бұрын

oh, that is priceless. I don't literally laugh out loud all that often during a day, but that one just kneecapped me in the funnybone. With your permission, I'm going to use that somewhere. Too good not to share.

The "God is real but He exists on a separate plain" is the religious equivalent of "I have a girlfriend, but she goes to a different school"

@lupa9527

5 ай бұрын

No man just gotta believe your whole life without any reason

@theducknamednewepicla9507

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it's kinda odd 😅

@gheller2261

4 ай бұрын

I would've said "but she lives in Canada" but, yeah.

@gheller2261

4 ай бұрын

I always laugh when believers say god exists outside time and space, but when someone points out that the bible sanctions slavery, those same people say "that was a different time."

@livestrong1976

4 ай бұрын

That put a big smile on my face, I worked with a guy that had a girlfriend but nobody ever saw her.

“Facts don’t care about feelings unless they’re my feelings because my feelings are fact” -Ben Shapiro probably

@OdinsSage

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, he definitely believes that

@mrosskne

6 ай бұрын

Yes, and that's true.

@emad3241

5 ай бұрын

this video is a compilation of bs For example at 2:57 most countries he pointed out is religious by majority (google it) Norway is Christian Australia is Christian United kingdom is Christian Belgium is Roman Catholic Denmark is Evangelical Lutheran

@theveganduolingobird7349

5 ай бұрын

@@emad3241 source? He's sourcing WIN/gallup my man its a pretty reliable source. The first response on google is very often incorrect or coming from a shit source. so like you're gonna have to grab a source which not only proves WIN/gallup wrong and proves another source correct but also prove GMS had any intent to mislead his viewers to a false conclusion. It also wasn't exactly a very important point in his video tbh, people make like mistakes sometimes with their sources. If it’s a “compilation of BS” you can do better than one example you haven’t even properly substantiated. Give me 5

@emad3241

4 ай бұрын

​@@theveganduolingobird7349 maybe (compilation of BS) was way too harsh, but i can sure give you examples of some bs in the video - (The WIN-Gallup International Association (WIN/GIA) poll results below are the totals for "not a religious person" (regardless of whether they had some religious affiliation) and "a convinced atheist" combined.) you can't assume someone is an atheist just because they said they're not religious, i tell people all the times that i'm "not very religous" even tho i'm a muslim, just because i'm not dedicated - but like you said, this is beside the point, the point ben shapiro was making which he missed is that religion makes people happier and atheists on the internet are bullying everyone to leave religion which could effect the well-being of the population negetivly that's a very well-documented phenomenon btw (source: Pew Research) in fact, the man said it himself, he said people who go through hardship are more likely to be religious (3:12) - 0:40 extremist secular ideologies like comunisim and maoist socialism probably k!lled far more people that all religious wars in history combined, mao zedong for example sent religious people to concentration camps, he saw them as subhumans, he thought he was doing mankind a favor, those people had no limits most atheists today are pretty peaceful people (except in countries like China where they're hostile toward religious people), mostly because they lived in more developed nations and adhere to judeo-Christian values of the west, but it's historically inaccurate to assume that secularism doesn't lead to a dark path - 17:59 Being a determinist is bs, quantum physics disproved that theory a long time ago by introducing random event, it's funny that he proceeded to say that he believe (everything in the universe is inevitable) which is a completely different theory from the theory of determinism, then proceed to record every time ben shairo confuses his terminology (i'm not a fan of ben shapiro either btw) - also he missed Ben Shapiro point again, studies show that Belief in Free Will Predicts Life Satisfaction and Positive Affect (source: pubmid) i can keep going but the comment is long enough

Shapiro: “facts don’t care about your feelings.” Also Shapiro: “God must be real, otherwise everything is without meaning.”

@slevinchannel7589

Жыл бұрын

Question: CRT is just 'Uncomfortable Knowledge', do i get this rightt? Let me ask specific-as-can-be: Banning CRT means banning videos like what 'Some More News' made about Hawaii oer Thanksgiving, or what 'Second Thought' uploaded about the Developing World? OR CUBA?

@nachfullbarertrank5230

Жыл бұрын

@@slevinchannel7589 what? those are on youtube, which is a private platform. people usually talk about public schools, which dont teach crt anyway

@TundraTrash

Жыл бұрын

Also Shapiro: Don't critique my arguments or you'll hurt my fee-fees!

@point_blank6944

Жыл бұрын

The existence of a god is neither provable nor unprovable. Your “feeling” are clouding you.

@b.1756

Жыл бұрын

@@point_blank6944 the existence of bigfoot is neither provable nor unprovable, but the rational position to take is to not believe he exists.

The only thing I can associate with Ben Shapiro is the "Hypothetically, lets say I was a barbie girl. Would it not be reasonable to assume I would be living in a barbie world?" meme

@amycox5733

7 ай бұрын

That, and the “SELL THE HOUSES TO WHO, BEN? FUCKING AQUAMAN?”

@minaashido518

6 ай бұрын

@@amycox5733Oh is that where the aqua man meme comes from

@yellowJayt

6 ай бұрын

lmao

@insertname9305

4 ай бұрын

god i wish i was a barbie girl tbh

@minaashido518

4 ай бұрын

@@insertname9305 in a barbie world?

Benny "using my Harvard law education to push my weird beliefs on you that are paid for by fracking billionaires" shepipi

@gheller2261

4 ай бұрын

I think he went to Duke, but it doesn't undermine your point.

@TheRealBillix

3 ай бұрын

I think you meant ”trafficking” instead of fracking

@phantomshadowfax5431

3 ай бұрын

if you look up the word fracking and see its effects on the environment you may see he likely intended to say fracking@@TheRealBillix cheers

@Atlas226

Ай бұрын

For a hot sec I misread that as "fucking billionaires"

@muslimsrememberapostacyday556

28 күн бұрын

like... when flaming homosexual pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth and nowhere in history has this been true?

If there was a loving God he would’ve told Ben Shapiro to stfu by now

@lindahhh

2 ай бұрын

facttt

@Raincloud_.

2 ай бұрын

Also probably won't let human hurt each other and all the other horrible stuff going on, I think if god did existed, be really disappointed in us :/

@ghoulishgoober3122

2 ай бұрын

​@@Raincloud_.A song made in 2019 about by this band puts it nicely. "Baby Jesus sheds a tear" it's Planet B by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard

@bernardoaedo5425

2 ай бұрын

For real

@439801RS

Ай бұрын

Definitely a sadist if they exist lol

that "atheism is a result of unhappiness" argument is a funny and ironic one seeing as how unhappy people are almost always the targets of religious converters

@michaelmcdoesntexist1459

Жыл бұрын

The only way Atheism comes from unhappiness is when radical religious zealots don't shut the fuck up

@snoozyq9576

11 ай бұрын

Yea I've only ever turned to spirituality or religion during times of crisis. When I'm happy I don't do that 😅

@michaelmcdoesntexist1459

11 ай бұрын

@@snoozyq9576 wussy

@wardudekid

11 ай бұрын

Atheism made me happier. I grew up Mormon, I felt oppressed and ashamed to just exist, when I was finally able to break from that, I felt liberated, like I could finally be who I am without being indirectly prosecuted for it every sunday.

@21o36

11 ай бұрын

There's an example of this in a KZread series called "Impulse" where a man turns to religion to find peace in his otherwise depressing and guilt-ridden existence.

As someone who was happily and lovingly raised by Atheist parents, someone who has never believed in gods or goddesses one single day of her life, I've always found the "all atheists are just mad at god" fiction to be particularly astonishing.

@johnP0908

Жыл бұрын

The belief of the nonexistence of Dod is automatically blasphemous specially for the majority of christians.

@thedailydao

Жыл бұрын

Loosing my religion was a arduous and harrowing process. Living life as a heathen has estranged me from society, constrained my relations by constantly reminding me of the dual entangled nature of co creation. Living life in the unconditional ebb and flow of present sense depend on a shared point of view, one that religious beliefs obfuscate with dogma and biases that refutes change in lieu of their fealty to the status quo. Any advice?

@rudolfquerstein6710

Жыл бұрын

@@thedailydao I mean as an Atheist everything depends on you. Your actions have consequences and essentially this is it. As an Atheist live does not have a higher meaning than what you give it. Atheist is a bit of a weird word, since it means not believing, however as an Atheist you need to believe in one thing and that is yourself. Not a god determines your life but mostly you and obviously circumstance.

@zabbzudah8918

Жыл бұрын

Also a great R.E.M. song.

@Roozyj

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm not mad at God for not fixing stuff. I'm not scared of God's judgement and I'm also not denying God because I want to do sinful things. I just don't believe that God exists at all, the same way Christians don't believe in Krishna, or Odin, or Zeus.

"I just bought something from Ben shapiro" "So you're saying you want a divorce" SOMEONE GIVE THAT HUMAN A MEDAL

@katiecooper1923

2 ай бұрын

4 real I had 2 stop the video 2 regroup after that joke

It still stuns me that anyone takes Ben Shapiro seriously.

@cykablyat3680

4 ай бұрын

bro went viral for winning some arguments against some supid college kids and now he belives he know everything thinks he s got the rifght to judge people, what a wanker

@yamataichul

3 ай бұрын

I take him seriously... _ill_

@agoose3390

3 ай бұрын

​@@yamataichulget well soon

@dr.mund0339

3 ай бұрын

People who like Ben. Like me. Could care less about his religion or take on religion or music lol

@jonahwashburn9573

3 ай бұрын

it shouldn't. the guy knows what he's talking about. the fact that atheists try so hard to disprove his statements only goes to show how wrong they know they are

“Being a religious believer is a constant struggle with the logic of the universe” Ben, say that again, but slowly

@kiddkuru

Жыл бұрын

Read it again. Do you think you grasp every truth that exists throughout the universe or are you just slow? He is saying he is trying to understand how everything works

@Mish844

Жыл бұрын

@@kiddkuru if that is how you interpret this line then he is clearly not putting effort into this struggle

@kiddkuru

Жыл бұрын

@@Mish844 and how should he do that? Fly to space, or get Rick’s portal gun so he can start traveling the multiverse first hand? We aren’t technologically powerful enough and the vast expanse of space is so massive we can’t even comprehend it, let alone learn everything about it

@Mish844

Жыл бұрын

@@kiddkuru if only there was a framework that could be used to explore the world around us and had some achievements to back its credibility like a developed medicine or, I dunno, succesful launch resulting in putting a man on the moon.

@kiddkuru

Жыл бұрын

@@Mish844 I’m not talking about earth or the moon

Shapiro: "The concept of infinity hurts my brain." Also Shapiro: "Must be God."

@scipioafricanus5871

Жыл бұрын

God is pain.

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

@@scipioafricanus5871 And then some. Picture a band-aid made of gangrene and a picture of a unicorn to make you feel good about it.

@na1959

Жыл бұрын

It's sorta weird 'cause isn't that just basically saying God is infinite? Honestly that hurts my brain just as much as the other concept does.

@absolstoryoffiction6615

Жыл бұрын

@@na1959 A limited idea of human design... But humans are simple machines... Their "Gods" are not even that old...

@rubixtheslime

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense. After all, it's impossible to approach infinity from the right.

I think needing to have a fear of going to hell in order to be moral, and thinking that being an atheist immediately makes you unable to be moral... says a lot about people like him.

@leritykay8911

3 ай бұрын

"If you are only a good person because of fear of hell, you're not a good person, you're a bad person on a leash"

@zwenkwiel816

3 ай бұрын

​@@leritykay8911 an imaginary leash no less. Like I think deep down a lot of them know that when they break their own rules...

@justdude8115

2 ай бұрын

and the funniest part is that majority of believers don't really care about hell at all. They do all kinds of sins and don't even know that they are sinners. They are hypocritical as fuck

@juintevrucht6079

2 ай бұрын

From what I've seen of Shapiro in this & the political ones on progressive videos, he is a sick little man. His podcast is funded by right wing billionaires who have an agenda that wants people scared & hopeless so no one tries to make this a better world. This was my rant.IMO, anyone who spews the lies that Shapiro does is morally bankrupt. Great video Drew!

@Nunya111

Ай бұрын

I think disliking others for their religious beliefs, whatever they are, and the thinking that being atheistic is the only way to be intelligent… says a lot about people like you.

I find it interesting that when Shapiro is debating liberals, atheists, and unprepared college students, he speaks so quickly that it's difficult to understand him. Yet here, talking to "his people," he slows down and enunciates clearly.

@naggiusmaximus6817

3 ай бұрын

fax

@roberth2833

Ай бұрын

You can listen to him on the radio some times. And he very usually keeps a very fast pace. But then again, he has to get to his paid commercials fastest and he always slowed down when saying them

Childhood is when you think Ben Shapiro is a genius because you saw him talk really fast in a “Feminists Owned 2015 Compilation” Growing up is when you realize he’s of average intelligence at best, lies constantly, and overall doesn’t know what he’s talking about he just talks really fast

@Rawnblade13

Жыл бұрын

Word salads everywhere.

@JH-cp8wf

Жыл бұрын

He's very skilled at sounding like he knows what he's talking. He's a hell of a conman. I don't consider this a compliment.

@Anicius_

Жыл бұрын

Feminists owned compilations are made by immature uncultivated minds for immature uncultivated audience. Hence the millions of views and throughout history there have only been a limited number of sages as compared to the infinite numbers of fools. Not a defence of feminists, they too have abused feminity as liberals abused liberalism.

@philippeberaldin5457

Жыл бұрын

True,true, true......I call it vomit spray. The Shapiro vomit spray. Kudos to G.M to go through that word salad.😎😎👍👍👍

@reubenmanzo2054

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/YmhppJKEgbLSh7A.html "Doesn't know what he's talking about" is laying out basic facts.

Ben Shapiro's documentary actually made me an atheist

@BillClay88

Жыл бұрын

His existence made me a believer. I pray everyday he'll disappear forever. 🙏

@123youbia

Жыл бұрын

​@@BillClay88 you got me from the start ngl good one

@handsomedude7644

Жыл бұрын

That's never good.

@thelvadam2884

Жыл бұрын

​@Russell Scott Damn mate u got me in the first half xD

@StardustCorvid

11 ай бұрын

​@@BillClay88 Don't we all

As an agnostic with a philosophy degree who is very open to disagreement, I’m actually jaw dropped at how poorly constructed Shapiro’s rapid-fire half-arguments come across. I’d expect this from a mouthy first year taking Intro, not of a supposed, “Intellectual.”

@rclrd1

4 ай бұрын

Ben and his fans mistake verbal fluency for intelligence.

@fawnieee

3 ай бұрын

​@@rclrd1 "hes talking so fast he must be right!"

@user-kf7zk7nv5p

3 ай бұрын

I haven't even formally studied philosophy and even I was unimpressed with how poorly constructed his arguments and points are 😂

@jasonesports

2 ай бұрын

Ben has never been that smart - he’s a pure Gish Gallop lightweight.

@MiddleAgedPlumber

4 күн бұрын

Thank you, I agree. However, Ben is a lawyer correct? Does that not imply intellect as an achievement. I'm not saying Ben is a genius but he's also not stupid. It's all different areas of knowledge I guess, Ben is a moron when it comes to religious beliefs snd Philosophy, but he must be knowledgeable in law right?

That rant made me so happy. I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. Fine-tuning falls flat once you realize that, if the big bang brought about an earth where all sentient life forms were clouds of gas that comminicate through hard raves, they'd be telling eachother how specific and fine tuned the world would have to be to allow their existence via dubstep. The world wasn't built for us. We evolved to fit the criteria the world gave.

@uwuowo214

5 ай бұрын

If anything the world is made for fish or birds!

@thesteelsquid863

5 ай бұрын

@@uwuowo214 Crabs perhaps

@CarissaNomadic

4 ай бұрын

​@thesteelsquid863 Yeah, if the world was made for humans, why does everything turn into crabs, right? XD (Sorry, had to, although~)

@mthalter

3 ай бұрын

​@@CarissaNomadic don't apologize for being right

@hartssquire9386

21 күн бұрын

We are all just byproducts of a world made for crabs, God is a crab.

Ben Shapiro: "Being a religious believer is being in a consistent struggle with the logic of the Universe." Lol, that's cognitive dissonance.

@SevenPr1me

Жыл бұрын

Lmao yep

@coloredrain5302

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Reading the existentialist philosophy of Kierkegaard gives insight as to why people want to believe in a paradox. In "Fear and Trembling" and "The Sickness unto Death," K talks about connecting the finite universe to the infinite, or God, through faith. He knows that it is a paradox, so he gives faith as the way not to reconcile two conflicting ideas but to believe both. What Kierkegaard didn't understand is that the mind hates cognitive dissonance and will throw any reasoning at it until it resolves. You can't resolve it and keep two conflicting beliefs intact, so reconciling logic and faith involves rejecting one or compromising on one or both.

@JohnDoe-kn7ex

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like my experience with religion in my pre-teen to teen years. Eventually I realized I only believed out of obligation and stopped entirely.

@kiddkuru

Жыл бұрын

I know I am intelligent, because the only thing I know is that I know nothing.

@mayosmayo4738

Жыл бұрын

Religious people trying to use Bible verses instead of actual acceptance of reality to cope

"Being a believer is a consistent struggle with the nature of the universe" You know what? I agree, he does have trouble with reality.

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

Theism does that to a person, and it's not just theism that does that. It's not a coincidence that right wingers, conspiracy theorists, theists and other superstitious people often whine that "main stream media" is leftist. You're already left if you just stick with the facts and their context. You have to at least keep facts out or strip them from context to be "fair and balanced" in the eyes of the right and there's a reason for that and it's because they don't agree with reality. They don't just disagree with people left of them but with reality as a whole.

@mihaicolceriu-nicola7148

Жыл бұрын

yep! being religious is contradictory to all we observe in nature! i mean idk how can they live in a delusional world,while seeing also the contradicted reality???

@nicolasandre9886

Жыл бұрын

His feelings don't care about facts.

@scottsmith2235

Жыл бұрын

Yep--all Christians say they struggle with life--especially because they believe in a magical, invisible, Uber-galactic phantasm that is supposed to guide them, but doesn’t because it isn’t there. You are absolutely right about Shapiro.

@user-pp6gx2rk8t

Жыл бұрын

Everyone does. It's called being a human being.

Your generosity to Ben is admirable. I couldn't have been as kind.

the way i became atheistic is by asking a question to a catholisism teacher, and getting "its a mystery of faith" as an answer.

@Sa1tyCaramel

2 ай бұрын

When I was like 2-3nd grade, I asked some grandmas at our church “how do you know if god is real? What if he is not real?”. I was just asking a normal kid question, but they just gasped and one of them slapped me…just because I asked a normal question💀

@AanyaSawhney-rh6fw

Ай бұрын

​@@Sa1tyCaramelthat genuinely sucks

@atheistreligionandislameis4455

28 күн бұрын

I hate to break the hearts of pdf file atheists but men cannot menstruate and they cannot give birth either

Ben Shapiro is proof that miracles exist. There’s no rational explanation for how someone can sound and act so much like a South Park character and yet have even a shred of confidence, and yet Shapiro overflows with outrageous amounts of unearned confidence.

@user-td3yi1mq7p

Жыл бұрын

@Buck Rothschild I'd watch a Beavis and Ben Shapiro cartoon

@scionofdorn9101

Жыл бұрын

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. It is those whom know little which assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin

@TechySeven

Жыл бұрын

​@Buck Rothschild He does not need TP! Are you threatening *The Great Cornholio* ?! There is but One bunghole!!!

@albirtarsha5370

Жыл бұрын

You must exude confidence to be a right-wing grifter. Same applies to Peterson.

@steik6414

Жыл бұрын

@@scionofdorn9101 A great quote, thank you

I like how he called it "the Atheist Delusion," once again demonstrating that he's a total hack without a single original thought

@antitheist3206

Жыл бұрын

Hey come on, thinking requires effort.

@EdwardHowton

Жыл бұрын

If he isn't specifically referring to the equally thoughtless hack book by that title, he's also committing plagiarism, because some other moron took a look at Dawkins's book and also went 'nuh ur r teh dilujin LOLOLO' and beat Shapiro to the -punch- pathetically weak limp-wristed slapping flail. But it's pretty commonplace for creationists to crib off of each other. There's a _reason_ I came up with the expression "incestuous clusterfuck of stupidity", and it wasn't because it rolled off the tongue.

@DamienBlade

Жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder if Dawkins even knows Shapiro exists.

@claytonreeves150

Жыл бұрын

@@DamienBlade If he does, I guarantee he wishes he didn't.

@theomegajuice8660

Жыл бұрын

The title, and the atheists he chose to quote, all feels very 2007 to me.

ben said "actual" and "actualized" like thirty times in one sentence and expected it to explain how god is real

@CandyAmble

2 ай бұрын

like a self-help guru or medium lol

"Not having to explain why God did it is more fulfilling than struggling to explain how it happened." - the argument for God.

@M.L.official

Ай бұрын

Yes very clever deduction. Millions of words of texts and hymns and other scripts dating thousands of years and you manage to sum it up in one, clever, original sentence. Bravo!

Ben Shapiro is a classical sophist, someone who uses the language and structure of logic without its intellectual rigor or substance. To emotionally desperate people seeking any islands of justification for their continued beliefs in spite of creeping logical doubts, this can provide solace, though it might be temporary. He takes bits and pieces of truth and logic and rapidly spins them together with vast assumptions and sloppy thinking to create the impression of solidity and calm reason. To those not used to honest debate it can seem as if Shapiro is laying down a good case for his viewpoints. The longer and more carefully they're actually scrutinized, however, the more rapidly they fall apart.

@punkisinthedetails1470

Жыл бұрын

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@EdwardHowton

Жыл бұрын

...huh. For the hell of it, I looked up some definitions of 'sophist', and without following any links, I see the google result previews for Wikipedia and Merriam-Webster. In that order, "A sophist is a person who reasons with clever but fallacious and deceptive arguments." "Sophistry is reasoning that seems plausible on a superficial level but is actually unsound, or reasoning that is used to deceive." So what I've learned today is that, apparently, Bill Paxton's character in _True Lies,_ the sleazebag used car salesman, was actually a -Ben Shapiro- sophist. Who knew?

@pansepot1490

Жыл бұрын

@@EdwardHowton lol when I started reading your comment I thought you had googled “sophist” and the photo of Ben Shapiro had come up on top of the page. 😂

@RoseEyed

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for giving me this word to describe Peterson, Samuels, and Shapiro! I used to follow some of their works but given my history in social work and psychology I knew what they were saying was off, a lot of conjecture but I didn’t have a word to describe the “fake intellectual” aesthetic itself. (To be fair l do think they’re smart but the problem with being/looking smart is that you can use it to justify a lot of biased, emotional, dumb, or harmful things. People who pretend to be rigidly logical are often the ones most ruled by their emotions.)

@thomasbeaumont3668

Жыл бұрын

@@pansepot1490 I’m hugely disappointed this is a troll, got me good my day is ruined

Ironically, Shapiro is noted for demanding "evidence" from anyone who questions his position.

@jayadams6760

Жыл бұрын

Even when you give him facts, he'll just gaslight you or call you an anti semite or some stupid b.s.. Shapiro is a con artist and a troll.

@meredithnavin1358

Жыл бұрын

And then when evidence that contradicts his position is presented, he dismisses it off hand.

@MrNemitri

Жыл бұрын

I'd say hypocritically

@hunter_lite

Жыл бұрын

Also the irony of an Orthodox Jew aligning himself with Christian Nationalists and assuming a positive outcome.

@stylis666

Жыл бұрын

@@hunter_lite Harsh. Also real. Harsh reality? Anyway, I like it how the word irony comes from Greek, just like the jesus stories, and I love what it meant then. It comes from theater, where an ironic character would be oblivious that they are the joke, much like Bennie doesn't see that he is. I think it's just too funny of a coincidence that that meaning also still applies and has the same origin as the jesus stories :) Annnnd to me Bennie and his christian adventure are like a play to me :D I don't care what happens, I just have my popcorn and I enjoy the journey of this ironic character :D I do worry a lot about the setting he is in though. White nationalism is no joke. But good for Bennie that jews aren't the targeted minority anymore, right. RIght? Oh dear. Ah well. Popcorn? :)

I still remember an old boss bragging because he spent $120 to get a Ben Shapiro tumbler that said "Leftist Tears" on it. Really painted a picture for me on his audience.

You know, being born, raised, and currently living in the deepest of the deep south myself, it's been incredibly difficult at times to exist in much of any social setting without being bombarded with invitations to church or conversations about christian doctrine. I typically deflect prying conversations by stating how I'm really not sure which denomination is the right one. I mean christians can't even agree on which actions are sins which require forgiveness, or what kind of baptism (if any at all) is required to be even considered for heaven in the afterlife. That usually shuts the convo down fairly quickly and doesn't immediately label me as "one of them EEE-vil athiests".

@A-WallfromAL

3 ай бұрын

I don’t know if this appeals to you at all, but I also live in the Deep South and my social group for years has been in the arts community. Even when I was still a Christian, I found tolerance there. (Of course, I also tried my best not to be a self-righteous jerk.)

Beat me to it! I promise I'm not just copying you (this time). Does this mean we both paid for Daily Wire Plus? Ew.

@andresvillagra6746

Жыл бұрын

I'm eager to watch your video on this topic!

@elijahbuck6499

Жыл бұрын

This is the 5th time there’s been a coincidence. And I haven’t seen you both in the same room…

@v0id_d3m0n

Жыл бұрын

"this time" lol

@sai_69

Жыл бұрын

@@elijahbuck6499 just a coincidence....or a miracle :) meatball pieces be upon The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

@GhostOnTheHalfShell

Жыл бұрын

Regardless, we thank you for your sacrifice.

Who could have guessed that Ben Shapiro's moral system is just an appeal to an imaginary authority figure? Truly I am floored by this revelation.

@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672

Жыл бұрын

facts dont care about your feelings, except when i feel gods on my side

@zombine555

Жыл бұрын

@@crystalgiddens7276 atheism is not a moral system. It has nothing at all to say on morals.

@thedeebo410

Жыл бұрын

@@crystalgiddens7276 Atheism isn't a moral system any more than theism is. Keep your bizarre straw men to yourself.

@crystalgiddens7276

Жыл бұрын

@@thedeebo410 yes but it results in organ harvesting is all

@andyroobrick-a-brack9355

Жыл бұрын

@@crystalgiddens7276 Atheism isn't a moral system, my guy. Atheism's only "tenet" is a lack of belief in God. You also say that as God's required punishment for sin in the Bible is death and bloody sacrifice. You wanna talk about God's morality? Why don't you ask the sex slaves taken by God's armies (at HIS request) in the Old Testament how "moral" God is. Literally anything the Communists did are nothing compared to the celebrated, lauded and worshipped actions of God.

I’m Brazilian and I was not expecting to hear a biology genius start to speak Portuguese out of nowhere. (His accent is great btw!)

@gabrielottaviano

5 ай бұрын

Was not expecting that as well!

Ben Shapiro's feelings don't care about facts

I was actually born and raised atheist. Both my parents were raised religiously conservative and ended up leaving their churches once they became independent. Hearing people say atheism is caused by unhappiness is so funny to me, because I've always had the opposite experience, and from what my parents tell me, they did too.

@justarandompersonontheinte5119

10 ай бұрын

Same here, both of my parents were raised religiously, but they didnt want me to be raised like that, they mostly wanted me to form my own opinion and since a child i ended up as an atheist lol

@InfinityKrompt

10 ай бұрын

My mom was Irish Catholic, my dad was Southern Baptist. They made my two oldest siblings go to church back in the 60s and 70s, then the middle child started questioning religion and asking questions that both my parents couldn't explain and they went to talk to their priest who told them "Because God Says so" and both my parents hated that response and they stopped forcing the kids to go to church and the other siblings never had to go. They would very politely explain "While we have our beliefs, we're never going to force you to conform to them because someone else says so. If you wan to go to church, then you can, but we won't be going any more because why would you listen to a engineer who can't tell you why a bridge is safe but you must listen to a preacher who talks out his ass"

@RevanReborn3950BBY

9 ай бұрын

My mom was raised catholic, but didn’t really care either way, and my dad wasn’t raised one way or the other. So I was basically told, some people believe, others don’t. Your choice. I went atheist

@bzzzzzzzzzz2075

8 ай бұрын

I had a similar experience, except I grew up with parents who were in the process of becoming atheists. My mom's upbringing was especially messed up, getting shuffled between cults by her narcissist parents, and my dad didn't necessarily have a great time either, but they're both so much happier now. My mom's special interest as a kid was her religion, so she knows the Bible better than any Christian I have ever met lol. It did not help her live a better life. When she stopped being religious, she started working through her trauma, and she's sooo much happier now. They both say that they feel so much less shame about everything (tho my dad still has major hangups with that and also the protestant work ethic) And I, growing up as they changed their beliefs, can tell you that they're happier now. I'm not entirely sure where the 'unhappy atheist' stereotype comes from tbh. Even the few atheists we knew in our very conservative city were just pretty chill.C

@JohnDoe-xc5kn

7 ай бұрын

I’m third gen atheist and religion is just so alien to me

For the record, it was some very hard life changes that got me reconsidering my religious faith. I didn't get out because I was angry. I got out because I realised it made ZERO sense.

@littlebitofhope1489

Жыл бұрын

There is a progressive Priest I like. He was trying to do a series on Christian Nationalism, but ended by saying that god did not create the US, but he was who gave the founders hope, and that hope led to the US being created. The atheists shared how they felt betrayed at this portrayal and we immediately get attacked by the Christians saying the message was good, and we were just "angry" and against hope. They and the priest could not comprehend why what he said bothered us in this climate. He does not understand how his video ties into Ben Shapiro claim. They use "I'll pray for you" the same way the south uses "bless your heart". They have an entire coded language to goad. It's beyond not making sense. They are actively targeting now. That is what Shapiro is about.

@RobJT

Жыл бұрын

When I was a kid I got taught about Jesus and I also read Spider-Man. I never even realised that people expected me to believe the Jesus stories were real. The entire thing is absolutely crazy and it makes me realise humans are doomed that we have the JWST but billions of people still believe in space elves.

@whysocurious7366

Жыл бұрын

@@RobJT Spider-Man has good morals tbh. “With great power comes great responsibility” Made me think “so.. with infinite power comes infinite responsibility? So... God is responsible for EVERY BAD THING EVER?????”

@crystalgiddens7276

Жыл бұрын

@@whysocurious7366 *CORRECT!*

@jem1533

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

Whenever I hear something about Ben Shapiro, I always am reminded of,"Sell their houses to who, Ben? Fucking Aquaman?" From hbomberguy's measured response to climate change deniers

@group555_

Ай бұрын

That line made burst out laughing multiple times

Ben using the Turtle analogy to disprove Atheism... when the same question can be asked about God. Ok, so God exists, and always has... but how did he get there? Was he created by a greater God? Was that God also created by another God... is it Gods all the way down?

@gloriouslizard9594

2 ай бұрын

Well think for just one minute. The claim is that GD made the world and everything in it. That includes logic and reason. He therefore exists outside of logic and reason. We, who are bound by logic, cannot comprehend that. He doesn’t have to make sense. He doesn’t have to be provable and understandable by the human mind. Science does.

@ghoulishgoober3122

2 ай бұрын

​​@@gloriouslizard9594he kinda does though if anyone wants to have any kind of legitimacy when they judge people for something "sinful". Science is provable, God is not and as far as followers such as yourself, doesn't have to be. What is more likely to be believed, what has been proven or what has been used historically to control people en masse? As far back as the end of the dark ages when the church would only allow members of the church to read the Bible, didn't really teach anyone how to read, and instead told them what the Bible said, taking indulgences. Leading to the 95 Theses by Martin Luther detailing his problems with the church of the time.

I just have to say: I was raised Mormon which you probably know is VERY structured and pervasive in daily life. When I was on my way out of the religion, I had a surprisingly hard time reconciling in my head that groups can exist without that level of structure or control. I was heavily confused looking into things like Wicca, BLM, atheism and other groups/belief systems that lack that type of structure because it didn’t make sense to me that these could exist without a leader and someone telling you what to think/believe/do. Ben seems to be having the same struggle reconciling atheism.

@occamraiser

Жыл бұрын

What really shows the brainwashing there is the fact that you perceive BLM and atheism as belief systems. No - they are simply labels given to ONE idea that people happen to share. So of course that one believe doesn't need a curator or arbitrator or priest to keep everyone in line. And for the record - OF COURSE BLM and atheism are no more religions than being an angler or riding horses. They are a thing that is just part of your world view and interests/aspirations.

@nuclearcrystal100

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU, growing up a jehovahs witness I had a trouble getting my head around Wicca as well since it seemed completely self governing at times and I was used to having 5 days out of my week filled with “spiritual activities”

@jesskrohnn

Жыл бұрын

I would say I can’t call myself anything. Because that puts me into a box. Into a group. I change my mind everyday, so I can’t attach to any narrative for too long because I am always changing what I believe based on the information I am presented. My beliefs are based on my gut and intuition in each situation. If I could call myself something it would be a dancer, a music and animal lover, a laugher, a person who is a person through and through. I am wrong a lot. I make a ton of mistakes, but I am doing my best to try to be a ‘good’ person and do what I think is right. As a person who grew up in the Christian church, went to Lutheran summer camp, and catholic high school and baptized Mormon at 21…then got into spirituality, then astrology, then tarot and crystals, then pseudoscience, Buddhism, then became a raver, then became sober, then because a student and went back to college and now self educated on KZread…I just want to keep an open mind always. There is ONE thing I know for sure…I don’t know what happens when we die because I have never died.

@mr.equity1120

Жыл бұрын

This is so scary, to know that there are individuals out there that have little to no self agency. Terrifying thought that most of them will never get the chance to think for themselves. They can’t even understand the concept of self agency. Truly saddening and it makes me angry that in today’s day and age in the information era we still have that problem. I’m just grateful that I was fortunate enough to receive a good education in my development that allowed me to question things that just didn’t sound right it made sense and I’ve always been rebellious in nature so eventually I was able to get out of that environment at 16. My only thought is that if you were able to free your mind you should help other people do so as well. I believe it’s our cosmic responsibility to help them be free. Now be mindful, most have made peace with their cages. Its impossible to free someone, they must do it themselves. We just provide support.

@iambuhlockay8007

11 ай бұрын

Fellow exmo here, just wanted to say I hope you’re doing well with your faith transition! It can be EXTREMELY rough.

I work in a local shop with a co-worker who is in his 60's, and Christian. He is genuinely one of the nicest individuals I've met, and he's very open to telling me about his belief in God and his struggles and experiences during that; he has never belittled my atheist views, and shown them just as much respect as I show his. He never uses his religion as an excuse for fuelling his own bigotry, and believes in the morals rather than the stories. Genuinely a great person, and one that any religious person should strive to be like. Edit: Reread this after the latest reply, and realised my own bias coming through. All religious and atheist people should strive to be like*

@marknieuweboer8099

Жыл бұрын

I've met many such believers in Suriname.

@xdrowssap4456

Жыл бұрын

ben uses religion to further his fascist agenda

@fairsaa7975

Жыл бұрын

@@xdrowssap4456 Exactly, it's a horrible thing to do.

@rogerharvey1698

Жыл бұрын

I known a few individuals such as you describe, and we’ve had great relationships and conversations. However I’ve know just as many individuals who totally exemplify the term Christian hypocrisy, and operate completely blind to the double standard by which they conduct themselves despite it being blatantly clear to all standing in witness.

@smpex5417

Жыл бұрын

This is what the Christian God and Jesus want Christians to be in the Bible.

Ben Shapiro is the pinnacle of saying anything to get a reaction

@dr.mund0339

3 ай бұрын

Tells us you know nothing about Ben with out actually telling us lol

@wettowelggh3033

3 ай бұрын

@dr.mund0339 Ben regularly beefs with Taylor swift just bc she isn't married with kids😂 we know all we need to know. He's fuckin pathetic.

@Void84276

2 ай бұрын

@@dr.mund0339 Poor sad little boy. You'll grow up one day.

@dr.mund0339

2 ай бұрын

@@Void84276 o another person who knows nothing about Ben shaprio? Lol sad good luck growing up Lil fella

Oh yes, I almost forgot to mention this. I absolutely love your use of the green screen paper. Brilliant effect!

Here is a point I wish you have made: If Ben's claims are true, then we should expect athiests to be overrepresented on a per-capita basis in prison populations, gang memberships, and terrorist groups. That is demonstrably false and requires to be explained if one is going to paint atheists as inherently prone to violence and predatory behavior.

@Richard_Nickerson

Жыл бұрын

Good point

@charismahornum-fries691

Жыл бұрын

Or be true globally. Except for NATO in totality many individual countries crime rates, terrorist acts and whatever else he spews are way less than within religious countries. You have the Northern and Scandinavian countries haven’t been at war internally or with others for decades and have smaller rates of violence. All primarily secular people. The most notorious terrorist Breikvik is a Christian fundamentalist nationalist. Others smaller fish in that ocean have religious beliefs. Making his assumptions completely wack.

@absolstoryoffiction6615

Жыл бұрын

A bit amusing of the claim... Given Lucifer... But I could care less... Mankind was terminated before... This iteration will be tested once more... Gods or no Gods... Their divine souls are not even that old to mine... Another dimension to fall into oblivion.

@Richard_Nickerson

Жыл бұрын

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 "I could care less" means you do care. The phrase is "I couldn't* care less"

@undefined69695

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine his retort.. something along the lines of: Well heh if they were Christian heh, they would be moral heh and wouldn’t commit crimes heh. Therefore, heh, they must actually be atheists heh.

It's staggering just how often during Ben's video he would attempt to make an argument, and my brain would just go "but why?" Ben is just like "this must be true" and then doesn't say why it's true. "Chocolate is delicious, apples are delicious, I like to eat apples with chocolate spread, therefore, it can be assumed that a higher power must be informing my taste for chocolate-covered apples."

@bigchungus6827

Жыл бұрын

Apples with chocolate spread sounds like you'd already be experiencing hell, tbh.

@BeeWithSunglasses

Жыл бұрын

@@bigchungus6827 Yeah lets stick to caramel please.

@vladtheimpala5532

Жыл бұрын

Pineapple is delicious. Pizza is delicious. Pineapple on pizza is an abomination.

@elias4571

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment

@kamikeserpentail3778

Жыл бұрын

@@vladtheimpala5532 Nah, pineapple on pizza is fine. I don't order it, but if someone else does I'll eat it. Now if you've ever tried mixing Swiss cheese and dark chocolate, you'd find that it's not as bad as you'd think. However, mixing Ben Shapiro with anything is absolutely terrible.

The times I wondered what it would be like to be religious the most are when I have been struggling, to me it seems like a very powerful coping mechanism for pain, suffering and isolation.

as a catholic (not very religious though) every time someone says that they have proof that god exists I just roll my eyes, I do it twice if there's money in the middle, I believe in god but is pefectly understandable that others don't, at the end of the day, no one has the answers, and my personal experience, but for me, is more about the message of love rather than "he exists therefore you have to believe in him"

"Being a religious believer is a consistent struggle with the logic of the universe..." -Ben Shapiro. There he said it himself. He admits religion is not compatible with logic and scientific fact.

@user-rq8xx8ir9t

11 ай бұрын

exactly if youre right there is no "consistent struggle" with logic

@gravediggrrr5150

10 ай бұрын

Pure delusion

@FFKonoko

9 ай бұрын

What he means is "it is a constant struggle to trick yourself and deny away the reality that surrounds you"

@hilgertbos742

9 ай бұрын

​@@FFKonokostill waiting on my surroundings to proof God doesn't exist.

@Programmable_Rook

9 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@hilgertbos742It’s the responsibility of the one making the claim to prove the claim true. We don’t need to prove that God doesn’t exist, you need to prove that he does. There is no observed phenomenon in the world that irrefutably demonstrates the existence of anything supernatural.

I remember in my childhood as a strongly believing (heavily indoctrinated) Christian thinking that all non-Christians were unhappy. They sometimes pretended to be happy, but it was pretense. As a non-believing adult I am much happier than I was a child.

@younce-davis952

Жыл бұрын

I am someone who needs religion and am happier with it, however the religion I was indoctrinated in as a kid made me very unhappy (I was catholic). I loved the people in my church and they were cool people, but the religion itself was not for me. I found neopaganism and am very happy as a Kemetic pagan. Looking back at the Abrahamic religions, I see the appeal but there is so much dogma in the religions I could never be happy. I know people who are very happy as atheist, although everyone has something they believe in, even if it isn't supernatural.

@noodlepoodlegirl

Жыл бұрын

Interesting comment! I agree. My daughter goes to a private Christian school because it’s the best of bad choices for education in our area, and during her third grade field trip I heard some of the students in her class saying that kids who go to public school love the devil, are evil, hate Christians, and are generally “lost”. Suffice to say I’m now looking into moving (costly but important) and acquiring a better education for my daughter.

@fediken83

Жыл бұрын

Same!

@changedpace9169

Жыл бұрын

@@younce-davis952 sacrificing people to the gods also makes me happy

@scottsmith2235

Жыл бұрын

I was Christian for 33 years; I always wondered why non-believers seemed to have it all, not all of them of course. But they were and are successful most of the time-so are some believers. I was told that the devil helped them gain fame and fortune so they would miss out on God and ultimately land in hell one day. But yes, I along with you have happiness and strength for life without having a Bronze Age war god sucking the life out of us.

A thing that drives people away from religion or in this case Christianity: people enforcing religion almost to cult levels, or even people that spit bullshit/hate on stuff they don't actually understand, just to get people to obey them or to think like they do.

@TheGrimRaper.

2 ай бұрын

This is definitely an American only thing, Nobody pushes religion onto people where I live, It's something you seek on your own accord. Once again America being a shithole.

@M.L.official

Ай бұрын

You should talk to Orthodox Christians. We really couldn't care less about converting anyone. However, if you're genuinely curious, we will help you out and tell you what we know. We aren't about converting. The problem is there are about 40,000 different fractions of Christianity, that people like you just blindly categorize as one, which is highly misleading. I think people need to admit when they're wrong about religions tho and stop before they look foolish. There are countless things to read and understand before you can even have a rudimentary understanding of any given religion. Really, to have an opinion worth it's salt you would have to practice it for years and be involved but people don't have time for that and just say fuck it whilst insulting Islam, Hinduism, etc.

As soon as you started talking about in group bias, I knew an ad for Ground News was coming. I'm glad it exists to show how reference points change the way folks see the news

@JH22533

Ай бұрын

It's possibly the only "youtube ad segment" that I haven't found anything bad about it

"if we're just balls of meat wandering around in space, how exactly do we make choices?" - actual sentence spoken by a well educated human adult in the year 2022

@kaantax8666

Жыл бұрын

"balls of meat wandering around in space" sounds super F'ing cool IMO

@nikolaschapapas6014

Жыл бұрын

I thought the Flying Spaghetti Monster was satire, but now I think I'm starting to realize I may be a meatball!

@jesusbrito5165

Жыл бұрын

But isn't that the problem we individualize this stuff, when is a social problem to me the problem Is not what Ben says, but tha fact that he can say it without any repercussions on its reputation as "well educated" people buy degrees ( even those who studied for their tests) and the educational system has been openly admitting that t's broken since 80' how come we take "collage education" as standard for "well educated"?

@kaantax8666

Жыл бұрын

@@jesusbrito5165 not the same thing. a scientist knows what he is talking about when one of his peers talk to him. same thing for an engineer or mathematician. just casually talking with a peer shows your level of expertise and education on said field. that's why degrees are important,they are a title that proves that you know your shit. you can fake a title but not knowledge and experience. if someone(named a) buys their degree, just talking with another person(named b) with a real degree will show that he doesn't deserve a degree. b just has to ask a question that requires practical experience to answer to a.

@J5L5M6

Жыл бұрын

@@kaantax8666 While I understand your general premise, one need only look to the recent legal arguments and motions filed down in Mar-a-Lago to know that it's not accurate. There are many with education that don't hold degrees. There are many with degrees that lack education. What's more, two students of university attend the same program, attain the same credentials, yet practice entirely different or not at all.

One of the first things Ben says is "if we understood the mind of God, then we would be like God," acknowledging that nobody can know what God's mind or thinking is. All of religion is based on what people think God wants or said. He basically refutes all of scripture, teachings, and church sermons right out of the gate. If we can't know the mind of God, then we are guessing, and if we are guessing then we could be wrong, but do you think any religious person would admit to being wrong about their whole belief system? Ironic.

@LouieLouie505

Жыл бұрын

"...religion is based on what people think God wants. Exactly right, and I note that when it is in their favor it is god, but if not it is either The Devil or Humans (which are basically the same). None of it makes sense because the contradictions constantly move the goal posts. It is at least when a religionists admits none it of needs to make sense because if it did, faith becomes knowledge. Instead, Shapiro et al. expect people to simply accept both logical and illogical conclusions simultaneously.

@DamienBlade

Жыл бұрын

@@LouieLouie505 The part that really annoys me is that I know Shapiro is a smart person, he's capable of logic and reason, but he also knows that the grift is real and he makes waaaaaay more money this way, ie. lying or misleading people, and misrepresenting facts and arguments. Can't be mad at him, money is money, it just feels dishonest. A lot on the right do it, Shapiro, Candace Owens, Blaire White, Dave Rubin, etc.

@esmirami351

Жыл бұрын

Who was that angel that wanted to be like god? Wonder what happened to him.

@Dontreallycare5

Жыл бұрын

@@esmirami351 Aye, the fanfiction of christians is a lot more fun than the actual religion itself.

@jamespower5165

Жыл бұрын

But how can you even know that unless you've had the experience of knowing the mind of God? So really either you're making things up or you are indirectly claiming to know the mind of God

I love how long some of your videos are, theyre so in depth and incredibly interesting 😁

Just want to say, I’ve watched 6 of your videos and you do such an outstanding job. I believe in God, or higher power. It’s NOT the god of Christianity. Christians wonder why so many are “leaving the church” but their go to is to blame everyone else, rather than looking inward for answers of how they can do better. People of all religions have the right to do so. Just please stop trying to recruit me or my friends. Stop trying to pin me or my friends in a inferior way. I’m thinking of starting my own church. Maybe the church of Don’t be an asshole, can find a congregation 😉. Thanks Drew

As someone who's never been right leaning, Ben Shapiro was a puzzling figure when I first discovered him. I was astounded someone with the reputation of an 'intellectual' could spout out so many logical fallacies and so disingenuously misrepresent his opponents. That's when I realized I wasn't his target audience. Ben isn't trying to move people over to his position. His goal is to further entrench conservatives in the beliefs they already hold.

@zeitxgeist

Жыл бұрын

Ben's MO is to answer every question with false dischotomies, false equivalencies, strawmen, red herrings and whataboutisms. The problem is he's usually talking with 19yo kids in a college hall who have no quick rebuttals for him -- he does this for a living, after all, while they don't. But when he talks to an adult, say, Andrew Neill, he immediately turns into a child when confronted.

@Mor-tis

Жыл бұрын

How can I spot these logical fallacies while he’s saying them? He speaks very fast

@zeitxgeist

Жыл бұрын

@@Mor-tis Ya gotta set the vid speed at .5x :p

@Mor-tis

Жыл бұрын

@@zeitxgeist lmfaoo

@younce-davis952

Жыл бұрын

People who are actually in academia like researchers and professors hate people like them. They actually know the theories he spouts and hate how terribly he appropriates them.

"I paid for Ben Shapiro’s video about atheism and all I got was disappointment" What did you expect?

@littlebitofhope1489

Жыл бұрын

Good material for a video. What did YOU expect?

@mjjoe76

Жыл бұрын

I think he may have been hoping for something new. This seemed like the same tired arguments aimed at trying to retain members of a shrinking flock.

@thaddeusgenhelm8979

Жыл бұрын

As I ended up saying today in an unrelated situation: "You can be disappointed without being surprised."

@jaclo3112

Жыл бұрын

WAP? maybe? I'm an optimist. Sue me.

@SilverMKI

Жыл бұрын

I would be half expecting an aneurysm.

Having to listen to Ben Shapiro's voice throughout this video was an incredible struggle for me...

The thing that messes up religions for me is how nothing happens today and there’s too many to believe 1

@Amethyst.

19 сағат бұрын

There are so many. And all are respected by the people who say to respect all religion. Strangely there is one exception that they wont accept no matter what, and want it eradicated. Weird how that works.

"Being a religious believer is a consistent struggle with the logic of the universe." Game over, man. Game over.

@Nerobyrne

Жыл бұрын

Ben keeps accidentally admitting he's wrong because he neither understands his own position nor that of his opposition.

@kevinarnold8634

Жыл бұрын

How so? Belief is not dependent on logic to endure. This is a game without end as that contested can be neither proven or disproven.

@cheezbiscuit4140

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinarnold8634 that is what faith is all about but he just admitted a contradiction to his slogan.

@domhuckle

Жыл бұрын

I actually like this argument - it's like a test from god - I created the universe to be bafflingly inconsistent with the religions I allowed to exist. Just to f*ck with you I guess, god's get bored

@johnP0908

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinarnold8634 Because religion has it's limitations, Science is in a constant evolution. a continuous flow of change of knowledge as more information is stored, proven/disproven. Religion doesn't have that, religion is stagnated as it is since is fixed on scriptures and ancient texts.

I find it endlessly entertaining that Ben "Facts don't care about your feelings" Shapiro believes in God and argues against atheism

@pansepot1490

Жыл бұрын

Ben’s feelings don’t care about facts.

@eozoon

Жыл бұрын

And that he has a show called Debunked.

@centipedekid9824

Жыл бұрын

Explore the world of psychedelics it might open your mind. As of now there will never be a way to convince you until you see something you couldn't imagine in your wildest dreams.

@thegrouchization

Жыл бұрын

@@centipedekid9824 Ah yes, the way to understand reality is to make use of substances that impair your perception of it. It's not like there are obvious issues with this approach.

@jaya1000

Жыл бұрын

@@thegrouchization well it's fun. Cant deny that. Thats why you'll get 20-life for possessing such things in Texas or Florida.

I have to admit, I actually find the infinite regress to be my personal reason for being a fairly devout agnostic - in that I find there's no possible real way to know the nature of deity, and therefore anyone claiming they know is trying to sell us something, which goes from uncomfortable all the way to really bad. I didn't know it was called infinite regress though, until this video. And it kind of freaks me out to think about it, so I try not to, which is where my personal faith comes in. So I have real and true faith in being agnostic - that there is something out there that makes sense, that I call that thing deity, and that I will never know what deity really means, and that that's ok, - I don't need to know, and anyone who tries to tell me that they know exactly what it is either being silly, manipulative, or prideful, because there's no possible way for anybody to know. Because it's infinite. But also that that's ok, unless they're trying to manipulate me, because most humans need some faith so they don't have to worry about the not knowing. Unless they just love thinking about that stuff, in which case, more power to them, let them go insane pondering the infinite and I'll just cling to my faith. :) I came to this realization a long time ago, when I was a teenager, and being from Texas, I mostly just keep my mouth shut around all the fundamentalists from high demand religions and both feel sorry for them but also find them kind of scary - they know that they know, and nothing I say is going to burst their bubble. I'm very sympathetic to the non-fundamentalists though, since I think everyone is just trying to get by in this crazy world, and if they have to believe something, I can understand that need.

Drew may not talk as fast as Ben Shapiro, but he sure is better at elaborating things more clearly than he can

@Anicius_

Жыл бұрын

Well articulated bullshit is still bullshit

@andyroobrick-a-brack9355

Жыл бұрын

@@Anicius_ Ben Shapiro is the best example of this.

@maitamitsuhide

Жыл бұрын

stop following me sonia

@brianmorgan7703

Жыл бұрын

Because Ben has no interest in being clear about such topics. It's deliberate.

@Anicius_

Жыл бұрын

@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 yes, i meant that as a criticism of shapiro

I can’t get past the fact that you suffered through Ben’s entire video. You took one for the home team.

@tacitozetticci9308

Жыл бұрын

It's been a while since I haven't heard "taking one for the home team" used in a family friendly context

@Name-ru1kt

Жыл бұрын

I mean Ben can make some actual good arguments but I have to say he is unmatched at beating someone down to your level and beating them with experience sort of deal.

@56cdross

Жыл бұрын

@@Name-ru1kt- maybe try again - your post is incoherent as written. Who is “your” in your post and what does “…and beating them with experience sort of deal.” mean?

As a Brazilian, your accent was great, I understood everything! Really well done!!

i hate when people immediately assume stuff about a group of people they don't like instead of doing research first, and THEN going about it

The great thing about being an atheist is, it takes up so little spare time. That is what religious people don't understand, being an atheist is a non-issue, only when people ask about your beliefs, you answer them: atheist and move on. No books to read, magic spells to learn or special places to visit once week at least.

@nenmaster5218

Жыл бұрын

Cody Johnston, who did cover Shapiro, but has sooo much more thought-provoking Stuff. Hes an 'issue-listing'-kind of KZreadr, so whetever its Droughts, LGBT, Uvalde or just Joking-Around, he has it all. Guys, i know this Fanbase (and the Atheist-Community overall) damn-well, so trust me when i say this Guy is worth checking out even if Global-Problems somehow are of no Concern for you.

@priyankarchakraborty3874

Жыл бұрын

Also, no people to hate just because they do not like your favorite superhero

@creepercommande4171

Жыл бұрын

Man, I wish I as an atheist had cool magic spells to learn. I just do normal people things like learn educational facts

@marcotellez603

Жыл бұрын

I understand you guys are frustrated towards religion as members in the faith have antagonized you, but please don't lash out with your own ridicule. As Drew has argued before, antagonism on either side is rather harmful and ceases productivity towards useful speculation on the existence of God. Making the joke of "reading magic spells" and "they're angry because I don't like their favorite superhero" only drives Christians away from respectful debate and provides a reason to believe in the antagonism made at your expense. We want to remove hostility among the groups and there are Christians watching these videos trying to learn more about atheism in a healthy manner, please don't turn them away with mockery.

@marcotellez603

Жыл бұрын

Just to clarify before someone makes an assumption, I am neither Christian nor atheist. I'm anti-theist ironically: I do believe in God, but I do not believe that he is benevolent nor worthy of worship. Regardless, my belief doesn't justify me attacking Christians, Atheists, or any philosophy regarding religion. I ask that anyone reading this remember that the people practicing these beliefs have struggles and empathy just like you. I have seen how political antagonism harms my country and even my family. I ask that we refuse to participate in viewing those of different opinions as bad or stupid, and instead focus on trying to figure out the problems in the world as effectively as we can, and that requires cooperation and variety in thought

I love how humans are so arrogant that when we recognize communication in nature we assume that some brilliant mind is directing it. Rather than realizing that our communication is a product of the natural evolution of our species as part of the greater organism of this planet.

@anshumanagrawal346

Жыл бұрын

🙌

@johnclapshoe8059

11 ай бұрын

Agreed; The very notion that we are at the centre of gods universe and man is made in his image, presumably because we are the apex of a life's is just a narcissistic point of view in itself.

I love how the background classical piano music in Shapiro's video is that of a villain about to unleash his evil plan.

Excellent use of really engaging sarcasm about Tye behaviour of “extreme” atheists - thank you for making me smile about a subject that so often makes me despair of the state of humanity.

"So you're saying you want a divorce?" 10/10, pure gold.

Ben isn't an idiot. He knows exactly who he made the video for, and it's working as intended. His fanbase is people that think exactly like him, just less eloquently.

@martimsalvador9186

Жыл бұрын

He is a jew, most of his fanbase are christians

@titusgray4598

Жыл бұрын

@@martimsalvador9186 Nothing I said disputes that.

@martimsalvador9186

Жыл бұрын

@@titusgray4598 "His fanbase is people who think exactly like him, just less eloquently"

@nunyabisniz8047

Жыл бұрын

you could say the exact same thing for this channel lol

@qtulhoo

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabisniz8047 The important distinction is that Ben Shapiro's content invites _his_ brand of thinking, while GMS's videos invite _any_ thinking. GMS has stated many times, in this video too, that he has nothing against opposing viewpoints (theistic religion) he just wants to invite critical thinking (hence calling himself a "skeptic") and tell people to watch out for manipulative and tribalistic, hatred-inducing, or indoctrinating content, eg. that of Ben Shapiro's.

Well, in JavaScript 2+2 = 22, so Ben is wrong there as well

As a math postgraduate, I screamed when Shapiro misused Gödel's incompleteness theorems

I'm religious, and I have benefited greatly from most atheist encounters. They taught me things my priest certainly never spoke about, and they polished up my critical thinking skills, which tend to grow very dull when you live in a religion bubble with other believers. It has been my experience that people who howl about atheists are neither very godly nor particularly religious... but very, very political.

@conscientiously

Жыл бұрын

I’m struggling with faith - do you have any suggestions with reconciling science and faith? Like, how do I convince myself that I can rely on something that I have no way of confirming? I’ve been telling myself to just rely on my God, and it hasn’t convinced my existential dread to go away.

@wordscapes5690

Жыл бұрын

@@conscientiously Maybe get rid of your dread. Why don't you read the more universalist traditions of Christianity. Writers like DB Hart - an Orthodox theologian - draws on the Christian traditions of All Shall Be Saved. If you are being religious because you are afraid of death or hell... then you might be religious, but you are not very godly.

@tacitozetticci9308

Жыл бұрын

@conscientiously Or … join the dark side 😈 Actually there's not much going on over here. I mean, that's kinda the point lol

@LundunDansqua

Жыл бұрын

@@conscientiously you see… you can’t reconcile any religion with science. Science is logic. Science is evidence and predictions made on that evidence. Not 2 buildings fall down therefore 9/11 therefore god. Faith is based on an assertion that has no evidence, if it is any of the religions it has mountains of evidence that points towards it being false. It is willful ignorance. If it is The abrahamic religions, it is worshipping a monster and I can site you many many many many examples of that monstrous behavior done by that god. Please just think. Actually think about what the consequences are of your beliefs. How much pain they cause for people who your religion likes.

@creepercommande4171

Жыл бұрын

Ehh fuck existential dread, you exist, therefore you are here. Nothing more nothing less. What you do with life makes that life worth it. So do something, help someone, help many people. Do whatever you want to be honest. You are a human and there are many other fellow humans. So why not help them through hard times.

As a 57 year old I'm in awe of your dedication and devotion to critical thinking and reasoning. I came out of religion several years ago and am still deconverting. Your videos, especially this one, is a testament of your determination to fairly examine and evaluate the arguments and premises on both sides. 👏 Thank you.

@playtime5051

Жыл бұрын

I'm also 57 and had a hard time breaking free of the indoctrination of religion - the Catholic verzion to be exact. Good luck!

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

@@playtime5051 wow I hope ur doing well

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

I'm actually so proud/happy for both of you guys, it gives me at least just a little more faith in humanity back, literally. You guys and people like you are honestly what gives me strength and soundness sometimes

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

Especially like when I completely feel like giving up

@user-wr7ow1bh8u

Жыл бұрын

@@mihailmilev9909 please, do not give up of God. You can have everybody and every thing in this world, but if you do not have God in your heart and life, its all nothing....

"Inclusive brasileiros, porque... eu tenho o sotaque muito forte" This part caught me off surprise 💀💀💀💀

I'm agnostic atheist, and idk where exactly I stand political. I'd say I have mixed ideas from the left and the right. I think people should separate their political stances from their religion. I do agree with Shapiro in some political stances, but not with any religious aspects.

I'm not the first to point out that apologists, like Shapiro, direct their comments at their followers, not at non-believers. The aim is to make their followers believe that everything outside their religion is bad, scary and probably the work of the devil. In that way, the flock will be silent and compliant whilst being fleeced, repeatedly. Indeed, they will volunteer their own fleece and think it is God's will.

@Rawnblade13

Жыл бұрын

Of course, but it doesn't hurt to see it ourselves and know how to push back against it.

@Outspoken.Humanist

Жыл бұрын

@@Rawnblade13 Thank you. And I totally agree. My point was to highlight the true motives of preachers and apologists, not to suggest we should not be aware and, as you say, push back. I have spent the last thirty-five years doing just that, in my own small way.

@jaya1000

Жыл бұрын

Apologists who target atheists become atheists based on my experience

@Morpheus-pt3wq

Жыл бұрын

@@Outspoken.Humanist you know, that pushing back is exactly, what the preachers and apologists want us to do? Their reaction to their sheep, when confronted, will be like this: "You see? This is what we were talking about! Fear them!" Wanna have good relationships with christians as an atheist? Don´t talk about religion. Ever.

@Outspoken.Humanist

Жыл бұрын

@@jaya1000 I would like that to be true but, personally, I have seen no evidence of it. All the apologists I have encountered over many years, online and in person, all share one trait, they are dishonest. Some are self-deceiving but most are well aware of the tenuousness of their position and continue to lie because they have a vested interest. Often financial gain.

"So you're saying you want a divorce?" Perfection. I don't know if that was scripted or not, and I don't care. What I do care about is that both you and your wife, Drew, are amazing at killing pans, as well as deadpan delivery. So that's cool.

@seionne85

Жыл бұрын

That was hilarious! 🤣

@JohnA.Zoidberg

Жыл бұрын

Drew isn't his wife, that's Taylor. The guy is named Drew, like Drew Barrymore. The lady is named Taylor, like Taylor Lautner. Did that help? Alrighty. Excellent.

@paulthompson9668

Жыл бұрын

@@seionne85 This deserves to be the highest rated comment.

@DarthTingleBinks

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnA.Zoidberg Yes, I know that. I used Drew because I was addressing Drew.

@aazhie

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnA.Zoidberg do you know how commas work, Zoidberg?

I like this channel, I'd not call myself a atheist, I think I'm agnostic, I ruminated the question "does God exist?" for a long time and I came to the conclusion the question itself is flawed, so I broke it down to "what if God does exist?" and "what if God doesn't exist?", And, at least to me, both of those questions have the same answer, so I realized that the original question is not only flawed but useless as answering it one way or another makes no difference to me

Wow. I didn't know it was that easy to change the definition of a word and have people agree with you lmao. He treats atheism like It's a club or something

I hate it when people come to conclusions without any basis of knowledge. As someone that’s trans and an atheist, former evangelical Protestant, I often hear, “I’m sorry that your church rejected you, but they’re not all that way”. What they don’t understand at that point is that my coming out as trans and my leaving the church to actually study religion on my own are 2 events that are separated by about a decade, they’re completely unrelated.

@RobinP556

Жыл бұрын

@@JoaquinElf Yup

@Burger_pants

Жыл бұрын

@@RobinP556 exactly, I didn't leave the faith because I came out as trans, I left the faith because the faith caused me to take 25 years to do that. dogma does nothing but make us less happy and more stressed about things that we have no control over and probably don't exist

@reginaldmustardbacon5866

Жыл бұрын

@@Burger_pants yeah as someone still part of religion. dogma is the bane of it all. which is why I appreciate people that have seen past it, and am still saddened by people who are stuck in their ways. When the times are changing and the pope himself has said lgbtq+ people are all children of god, and i still see people reject that and cause pain to others.. its just sad edit: faith is supposed to help people and if it doesn't then that's not the faith i want in this world. I'm still optimistic though.. still holding hope that it'll get better for us all

@scibear9944

Жыл бұрын

Similar here, except I'm gay rather than trans. I was raised Catholic, then fell in with evangelical Protestantism. I suppose a difference between us is that while I eventually left all forms of organized religion, believing it a human construct designed to further the agenda of human power, I just couldn't find it within myself to leave God.

@TheGeekRex

Жыл бұрын

The open stereotyping is incredible. They just walk right up and say things like "I'm sorry you were mistreated by those in the church but God isn't like that." I didn't stop believing in God because someone was mean to me, I stopped believing cause there's no reason for me to believe. There's no proof for it and a mountain of proof against it.

Drew, I need to thank you, even though you’ll probably never see this. You’ve helped me so much with my reconversion from Christianity, and you’ve made me feel like I’m not alone. I’m much happier now, and you’ve played a huge role in that. So again, thank you for everything you’ve done, you help people more than you know with this channel, and I hope you continue to well into the future!

@ezra7088

Жыл бұрын

he did see it. idk whether the heart shows up in notifications so I just wanted to make sure you know :)

@feeli3422

Жыл бұрын

@@ezra7088 Thank you! It doesn’t show up, so thank you for letting me know! My life is complete now :)

@user-uu2cj9ct3j

Жыл бұрын

@@feeli3422 Oh really? I always get notifications in my gmail if I receive a heart...

@Nerobyrne

Жыл бұрын

@@feeli3422 I get notified, I think you just have to adjust your notification settings in KZread.

@brianstevens3858

Жыл бұрын

Anytime you feel alone in your deconversion go to "Neil The 604 Atheist" here on YT. You are so far rom alone it's not even funny.

Reposting and slight editing of recent mathematical ideas into one post: Split-complex numbers relate to the diagonality (like how it's expressed on Anakin's lightsaber) of ring/cylindrical singularities and to why the 6 corner/cusp singularities in dark matter must alternate. The so-called triplex numbers deal with how energy is transferred between particles and bodies and how an increase in energy also increases the apparent mass. Dual numbers relate to Euler's Identity, where the thin mass is cancelling most of the attractive and repulsive forces. The imaginary number is mass in stable particles of any conformation. In Big Bounce physics, dual numbers relate to how the attractive and repulsive forces work together to turn the matter that we normally think of into dark matter. The natural logarithm of the imaginary number is pi divided by 2 radians times i. This means that, at whatever point of stable matter other than at a singularity, the attractive or repulsive force being emitted is perpendicular to the "plane" of mass. In Big Bounce physics, this corresponds to how particles "crystalize" into stacks where a central particle is greatly pressured to break/degenerate by another particle that is in front, another behind, another to the left, another to the right, another on top, and another below. Dark matter is formed quickly afterwards. i to the i power: the "Big Bang mass", somewhat reminiscent of Swiss cheese, has dark matter flaking off, exerting a spin that mostly cancels out, leaving potential energy, and necessarily in a tangential fashion. This is closely related to what the natural logarithm of the imaginary number represents. Mediants are important to understanding the Big Crunch side of a Big Bounce event. Matter has locked up, with particles surrounding and pressuring each other. The matter gets broken up into fractions of what it was and then gets added together to form the dark matter known from our Inflationary Epoch. Sectrices are inversely related, as they deal with all stable conformations of matter being broken up, not added like the implosive "shrapnel" of mediants. Ford circles relate to mediants. Tangential circles, tethered to a line. Ramanujan Infinite Sum (of the natural numbers): during a Big Crunch, the singularities being sheared off at inflection points are a twelfth of the original stable particle's mass. Sectrices: the families of curves deal with black holes and dark matter. (The Fibonacci spiral deals with how dark matter is degenerated/broken up and with supernovae. The Golden spiral deals with how the normal matter, that we usually think of, degenerates, forming black holes.) The Archimedean spiral deals with dark matter spinning too fast and breaking into primordial black holes, smaller dark matter, and regular matter. The Dinostratus quadratrix deals with the laminar flow of dark matter being broken up by lingering black holes. Delanges sectrices (family of curves): dark matter has its "bubbles" force a rapid flaking off - the main driving force of the Big Bang. Ceva sectrices (family of curves): spun up dark matter breaks into primordial black holes and smaller, galactic-sized dark matter and other, typically thought of matter. Maclaurin sectrices (family of curves): older, lingering black holes, late to the party, impact and break up dark matter into galaxies. Dark matter, on the stellar scale, are broken up by supernovae. Our solar system was seeded with the heavier elements from a supernova. I'm happily surprised to figure out sectrices. Trisectrices are another thing. More complex and I don't know if I have all the curves available to use in analyzing them. But, I can see Fibonacci and Golden spirals relating to the trisectrices. The Clausen function of order 2: dark matter flakes off, impacting the Big Bang mass directly and shocking the opposite side, somewhat like concussions happen. While a spin on that central mass is exerted, all the spins from all the flaking dark matter largely cancel out. I suspect that primordial black holes are formed by this, as well. Those black holes and older black holes, that came late to the Big Bounce, work together to break up dark matter. Methods of arbitrary angle trisection: Neusis construction relates to how dark matter has its corner/cusp singularities create "bubbles", driving a Big Bang event, and to how black holes have their ring/cylindrical singularities sheared off during a Big Crunch. Repetitious bisection relates to dark matter spinning so violently that it breaks, leaving smaller dark matter, primordial black holes, and other more familiar matter, and to how black holes can orbit other black holes and then merge. Belows method (similar to Sylvester's Link Fan) relates to dark matter being broken up by lingering black holes that came late to the Big Bounce event. General relativity: 8 shapes, as dictated by the equation? 4 general shapes, but with a variation of membranous or a filament? Dark matter mostly flat, with its 6 alternating corner/cusp edge singularities. Neutrons like if a balloon had two ends, for blowing it up. Protons with aligned singularities, and electrons with just a lone cylindrical singularity? Prime numbers in polar coordinates: note the missing arms and the missing radials. Matter spiraling in, degenerating? Matter radiating out - the laminar flow of dark matter in an Inflationary Epoch? Connection to Big Bounce theory? "Operation -- Annihilate!", from the first season of the original Star Trek: was that all about dark matter and the cosmic microwave background radiation? Anakin Skywalker connection?

That is two videos of you that I watch and I must say I strongly see myself in our own description. It's a strange and pleasant feeling.

I love how I had to grow up being mildly opressed for being an atheist, just to have Ben Shapiro try to claim he's being oppressed by us. Like dude, we don't even have any real means of organization. Most of us are just trying to exist.

@michaelmcdoesntexist1459

Жыл бұрын

We're not even a group. Is like trying to put together all non-sport fans and claiming we all like the same things.

@michaelferrum708

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 You can easilly group all non-sports fans by what they have in common. A lack of interest in sports. Sure there won't be a lot of overlap in other interests or lack of interests, but that's not the point, is it? You may want to identify and group everyone with brown hair for some reason, and they would have equally little in common while it still being rational to identify that common trait. Honestly I find this whole uncertainty and weirdness about grouping or associating atheists very strange. In many other forms of categorizations it's perfectly normal to group things based on a "lack of something". It's not uncommon elsewhere. Makes me think of how ancient mathmaticians never used or thought of negative numbers. That being said, atheists generally aren't part of intentionally organized groups, because there just isn't any reason to be. Which is kind of my point, anyway.

@michaelmcdoesntexist1459

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelferrum708 I said we don't have means of organization because we aren't even a group. We don't need to organize, we don't share anything. Just because you don't like sports doesn't mean you like the same things all other non-sport fans enjoy. And if we are making groups of people based on what they like (read: believe) there is no basis to put atheists on a single bag.

@michaelferrum708

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 I'm aware that is what you are saying, you did not need to repeat it and ignore everything I just said. I'm not confused by *what* you are saying. I'm confused by *why* you are saying it. It doesn't make sense, even in context of the non-sports fan anology. Let's call them sports unenthusiasts. We are literally talking about a group of people (sports unenthusiasts) that share a commonality (sports unenthusiasm ) and we all know which group of people we are talking about. Sounds like a identifiable categorization to me. A "group" in otherwords.

@michaelmcdoesntexist1459

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelferrum708 which is absolutely useless. At this point you can group baseball players with moles as not-scaly animals and try to organize them. Semantically true is just a nicer way to say nonsensical

Ben has one goal: to obfuscate. He doesn’t want his followers to understand what he’s saying, and by deliberately confusing uneducated, barely-literate people, he can mobilize them however he pleases.

@azy6868

Жыл бұрын

So pretty much exactly what religious leaders have been doing ever since religion first showed it's ugly head.

@Mizar007

Жыл бұрын

Well, he's also a grifter, it pays to be as vague as possible to appeal as widely as possible to his ingroup. Maybe more people will talk about it and pay him to pray into their insecurities.

@mattwhite7287

Жыл бұрын

I understood 3 out of those 1200 words and I agree with them! The other 1197 must be genius!

@Lumumba_00

Жыл бұрын

Same as Peterson

@dukerbower2228

Жыл бұрын

Eschew obfuscation.

I have experienced more backlash as an atheist, than I ever did as a Christian… And I was a devout Christian for 27 years

As someone who was raised atheist, hearing religious people say I believe what I do because of pain I’ve experienced always baffles me. You have to be taught about God, if you’re not, you won’t believe in him. That’s not caused by anything

@baguettegott3409

3 ай бұрын

Hm, interesting -- I kind of doubt that actually. Religion has existed in literally all cultures that we know of (I believe), often completely independently from each other. Of course any specifics of a belief system have to be taught, but the belief that there is _something_ more, some powerful being or force or whatever - that seems to be pretty naturally human to me. I don't think you have to be taught that. Not to say that every last person would necessarily think that, or that this means it's 100% a good thing or anything (I am also not religious). But I don't think it _needs_ to be taught.

@coyote2733

3 ай бұрын

@@baguettegott3409 I personally never believed in anything “more”, but even so, the belief in something bigger than us is not the same as the belief in God, who is a being with specific wishes and whims. I suppose you could get there on your own without being told who he is, but it would be mostly guesswork and a big coincidence.

@baguettegott3409

3 ай бұрын

@@coyote2733 I think it mostly is the same. To a sensible person at least. Basically all religous people I ever met fully admitted that the specifics of their god and how they worship him are just cultural, and are convinced that the higher power they believe in is exactly the same as the god or gods of other religions, just under a different name. They still stick with their system of course, because it's what they're used to and what they understand. But when you ask them what they really, truly believe in, and listen, "something more" is basically all you get. Nobody believes in a bearded dude on a cloud, in my experience. (And none of them have ever described what they believe in as "a being with specific wishes and whims" to me, that sounds so... human. But I guess there are some belief systems where that is how they think of their gods, like the ancient Greek and such).

The flat delivery of “So you’re saying you want a divorce” made me laugh so hard, thank you both 😂

@Thessalin

Жыл бұрын

As soon as he said that, I knew a good response was coming. I had a good laugh.

I love how Ben uses Ayn Rand-a quasi-religious cult leader who demanded her followers worship her as an omniscient super-being-as an example of atheism rejecting religion.

@arutka2000

Жыл бұрын

What kills me is, isn't Rand the kind of person people like Shapiro aspire to be?

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

Жыл бұрын

@@arutka2000 idk about him specifically but there is certainly a hell of a lot of overlap in the fans

@arutka2000

Жыл бұрын

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I'd agree with that. I would like to amend my statement though, in regards to Sharpie. I don't think he believes the shit he's selling.

@wesleywyndam-pryce5305

Жыл бұрын

@@arutka2000 hes let the veil slip a few times, benny boy is a religious zealot and that drives basically everything else. I first noticed when watching the some more news video about Ben titled "perhaps Ben Shapiro shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone anywhere anymore"

@tjenadonn6158

Жыл бұрын

And Ayn Rand's work went on to inspire further founders of atheistic religions, most famously Anton LaVey and the LaVeyan Satanists. There's a joke among occult shitposters (yes those exist) that goes something like "Roses are red, lamps attract moths, Anton LaVey is just Ayn Rand for goths."

"Being a religious believer is a constant struggle with the logic of the universe". I think Ben means a struggle AGAINST the logic of the universe lol

I always repeat the exact moment I lost any respect for Ben Shapiro: years ago, I gave listening to his podcast a shot. At some point, Anthony Bourdain came up, and Ben said something close to, "And if you don't know who Anthony Bourdain is, he's a guy who goes to garbage cultures and eats their garbage food, and pretends that it's good, but it's really garbage." And that was such a ridiculous, offensive, ignorant statement, so demonstrative of the arrogance and incuriousness and small-mindedness of the speaker, that I didn't care about anything else he had to say about anything ever again.

@group555_

Ай бұрын

It's sadly actually genius. I'm 95% on that he knows exactly what he's doing. He uses deceptive reasonable sounding arguments to pull people in that he spreads around but if you go deeper into his stuff he says much more blatant stuff. This means that the vast majority that only knows him from small clips will believe he is not this extrenist all these "sensitive people" aka critical people make him out to be. But it also gives him a core audience with bad media litteracy that stuck around after the baltent statements that will defend him hard. The result, average public thinks he aint that bad or even has solid points and two groups that directly oppose eachother, calling him out and defending him. Meaning the average opinion skews to his favour pretty significantly.

“Atheism claims…….” Ugh. There are so many breaks in Mr. Shapiro’s logic here it’s disappointing.

@user-pp6gx2rk8t

Жыл бұрын

Care to elaborate or just whine about it?

@Wizered

Жыл бұрын

@@user-pp6gx2rk8t Atheism is not a monolithic organization with a universal belief system. Saying "Atheism claims" and going off about something like morality, evolution, or the meaning of life is nonsense. It's like saying "Football fans claim" as if all football fans are the same and all hold the same beliefs.

@ethancobb7498

Жыл бұрын

It's also worth mentioning that most atheists don't have a perogitive to prove their beliefs. They can choose to, but it's entirely possible to live as an atheist without once engaging in any kind of religous discourse.

@InteGritti

Жыл бұрын

@@user-pp6gx2rk8t I spent about 20 minutes trying to find the kindest most empathetic rational way to respond to this. Came to the conclusion that since you categorize my comment as “whining”, you aren’t really someone who’s seriously interested in hearing my point of view. So it seems your first impression of me is that I’m a whiner, and my first impression of you is you’re rude. no need for us to engage further.

@paisleepunk

Жыл бұрын

@@InteGritti You didn't have to, someone already made your point above.

For someone so well known for facts and logic, Ben Shapiro does go well out of his way to justify his feelings.

@arcadeinvader8086

Жыл бұрын

he's not well known for *using* facts and logic so much as he's well known for *talking about* facts and logic

@BlacksmithTWD

Жыл бұрын

Well, it's part of a lawjers job to justify.

@dontmisunderstand6041

Жыл бұрын

He's not known for facts or logic. He's well known for being a snowflake that gets butthurt whenever someone hurts his feelings. And his feelings are hurt by facts and logic that adhere to the reality we live in.

I have never been a theist. I am agnostic in the sense I don't think anyone can prove jack squat, but I suppose I lean heavily atheist. Calling me a discontented theist is the funniest thing in the world to me. Not only that, but I don't actively seek to discuss religion or lack thereof, but I will happily if it's brought up. I like having interesting discussions about fiction.

I'm deeply impressed with this. The way you can make my exact thoughts into words better than they are in my own head is fascinating, although I lost it at about 25 minutes in. Still very insightful and inspiring. Arguing is an art, but arguing with yourself is like rocket science.