I agree that the arguments here aren’t very in depth, but they’re not trying to be. All these atheists are acting like they were promised some six hour thesis about philosophy, theology and metaphysics from a learned scholar. In reality it’s just a meme that was probably more so intended to make his fellow Christians laugh than to piss off atheists. A meme that atheists have and do use all the time.

@49perfectss

2 ай бұрын

Not just lacking depth but also fallaciously argued and strawmanned to hell lol. This is not the video you want to defend bud. Even Christians are making fun of how bad this video is.

@anaveragekiwi

2 ай бұрын

depth cant fix thr flawed reasoning used in this video and also, it seems pretty pointless for this video to be made in the first place if the arguments it gives arent in 'depth' enough to adequately answer the arguments

@49perfectss

2 ай бұрын

@@tyrone687 cope

@akshatgupta4817

2 ай бұрын

So all the arguments are so bad and shallow that now it's just light hearted jokes.

@miguelvaranda7377

2 ай бұрын

"teehee its just a meme/joke brah, you dont have to take us seriously at all teehee." -ifunny memejacker suffering from reduced gyrification Also very sad to pin this comment, coward tactics are to be shunned not supported. Be a man and own up to your arguments, however "intentionally" shallow they might be.

"why did God let evil exist at all" "Because he's glorified in defeating it" He who poisoned the river should be praised upon cleansing it?

@kyle--859

3 ай бұрын

So what he is saying is that God causes pain and suffering just to make himself look good? How does he not realize that he just made God sound like an evil jerk

@think...you_must

3 ай бұрын

​@btssupreme921shut up

@Hostefar

3 ай бұрын

@@kyle--859Yes. The guy made the Pharao stubborn just so he had an excuse to send the plagues.

@sheeniebeanie2597

3 ай бұрын

atheist L built on maintained false premise

@rookie4582

3 ай бұрын

I believe a better answer would be is it really free will if God would stop evil?

I've seen even atheists defend god better...

@think...you_must

3 ай бұрын

Oh cut the crap​@@btssupreme921

@vocazxls4787

3 ай бұрын

bro what 💀@@btssupreme921

@lionelgideom

3 ай бұрын

@@btssupreme921mid

@MoeSzyslak20

3 ай бұрын

Come on, that was pretty funny ​@@think...you_must

@think...you_must

3 ай бұрын

@@MoeSzyslak20 nuh uh

I can only imagine this level of reasoning appealing to a middle schooler discovering debate for the first time.

@beni4366

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, the video is "light". However you're argument is non-existent. You showed him😂

@hardyhardyha5767

2 ай бұрын

​@@beni4366They weren't to make an argument...

@beni4366

2 ай бұрын

@@hardyhardyha5767 I'm aware. It's just his superior opinion. What else does one need, right?...

@hardyhardyha5767

2 ай бұрын

@@beni4366 A facetious video warrants a facetious response.

@nauikunart

2 ай бұрын

was about to say this. lol

As a christian, I love how Redeemed Zoomer said "It's zoomin' time" and throws a bunch of crackpot fallacies

@luca16messa

2 ай бұрын

as a christian, which fallacies? so i’m not refuting false ideologies

@rawkfist-ih6nk

2 ай бұрын

First, it’s a 9 minute video. Second, name the fallacies or I will have to suggest you’re a progressive pseudo intellectual

@arcioko2142

Ай бұрын

@@rawkfist-ih6nk literally just search up "all atheist arguments answered in 10 minutes debunked" its not that hard

@angelparada9904

Ай бұрын

​@@luca16messa How about you just try actually reading or using critical thinking and not depend on a KZread video of a religious kid who doesn't know anything about atheism argue about it

@UHEBallOfSomething

Ай бұрын

@@rawkfist-ih6nk t'was a joke... -_- the arguments redeemed zoomer layed out aren't really in depth, and the whole video is meant to serve as a joke, honestly some atheists didn't get the memo, but I understand their interpretation also I wouldn't argue endlessly in the comment section if I were you, it would waste our time, so we can just agree-to-disagree and move on, yeah?

I can't believe this guy actually tried to pull of the "jarvis, take their argument, depict them as a wojak and reply" strategy

@davidstanford9933

3 ай бұрын

It’s just a meme format you’re looking too deep into it

@user-pu4lv6pr5v

3 ай бұрын

It is a channel literally called redeemed zoomer. Not sure what you expected.

@wellingtonalexandre3791

3 ай бұрын

Bla, bla, bla.

@Sam_Hyde_Apologist

3 ай бұрын

​@@davidstanford9933why use a meme format if you are seriously trying to answer "all" atheist arguments? of course some people aren't going to take is seriously.

@Gaston-Melchiori

3 ай бұрын

What is Wojak?

was an atheist my whole life. but this video, it changed nothing.

@jamaicanbambosa

3 ай бұрын

who cares

@thegreatajar7818

3 ай бұрын

@@jamaicanbambosa god does

@ruthie8785

3 ай бұрын

Lol

@ruthie8785

3 ай бұрын

@@jamaicanbambosa you do clearly

@Adroyo

3 ай бұрын

Cringe

My grandpa died of cancer, he was the nicest man I've ever met Tell me that he died because he (or I) deserved it yet Pol Pot died peacefully at home in his sleep

@peppermint_ame

2 ай бұрын

This comment should be on top.

@KKG883

2 ай бұрын

My condolences

@liben5052

2 ай бұрын

depends on what you think happens after death. if you believe there is a god, there is an afterlife where there is fairness. your grandfather suffered, but then could have experienced a joy of being free from pain. death isn't such a terrible thing if you believe in a god, but if you don't believe in a god, you have to face the cold harsh realities of genetics and nature. he lived a good life, and died a terrible death and that's it? i would say that's more upsetting than to think he was taken by a god who knows how good and loved he was. it's not about who deserves what, it's how do you choose to live life? bitterly and walking the world alone, or believing there is a higher power beyond this life

@adonisparts1343

2 ай бұрын

So you're saying Pol Pot isn't burning in hell?

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

2 ай бұрын

@@adonisparts1343 my grandpa was an atheist, so chances are that both of them are there

"Why do bad things happen?" "We deserve it" welp, I'm convinced

@endlessnutella8612

4 ай бұрын

It’s not wrong

@mallninja9805

4 ай бұрын

@@endlessnutella8612 Dude, you're free to hate yourself if you want, but don't assume that I should too.

@EmperorofChinaItwillgrowlarger

4 ай бұрын

@@mallninja9805An narcissist thinking they’re better than others

@endlessnutella8612

4 ай бұрын

@@mallninja9805 why do bad things happen in Islam is because those are basically hard questions in this test

@PatrickWDunne

4 ай бұрын

@@EmperorofChinaItwillgrowlarger Not hating yourself because an invisible man in the sky told you to is narcissism.

I'm a Catholic but sometimes *"I don't know"* is the only answer I can give. We don't have all the answers and to think so otherwise would be arrogance.

@peezieforestem5078

3 ай бұрын

I am an atheist, and I completely agree. However, that stance seems to completely go against the idea of belief, and particularly against religious truth claims. I would say accepting the unknown exemplifies atheism. Could you explain how you reconcile these things together?

@OKC_THUNDER_NUMBER1

2 ай бұрын

@@peezieforestem5078 because if we were to simply use our faith as an answer we’d get shut down as that is typically what happens

@peezieforestem5078

2 ай бұрын

@@OKC_THUNDER_NUMBER1 I am not sure I understand what you mean. Let me double-check: are you saying, that you have an answer, which is "faith", but it is not satisfactory for atheists, so you have to resort to "I don't know" as the next best approximation. Is that correct, or did I misrepresent your stance?

@bitonic589

2 ай бұрын

@@peezieforestem5078 it's not that hard to understand, and you sound like you're trying to sound smart. you sound like the human personification of google, you don't have to go that deep into it.

@peezieforestem5078

2 ай бұрын

@@bitonic589 I think you're intelligence is so vast, you struggle to comprehend how stupid some people can be. I am certainly not as smart as you are, and I literally do not understand how I can differentiate between these 2 possibilities. Whatever "depth" you saw in my comment -it's a reflection of your own thought processes - I was just asking a basic clarifying question. I also don't understand how you can tell what I sound like, or why does it matter (what I sound like)... I hope you're not using text-to-speech, but if you do, of course I would sound as a personification of Google, because Google is literally voicing my text. So, if you don't like how it sounds, try using Siri (from Apple) or Alexa (from Microsoft). (assuming you were using text-to-speech).

“Because he can glorified in defeating it (evil)” You just described vanity.

@user-tw3rh9po4t

Ай бұрын

As someone who’s believes in God, I’m not buying it either. He wouldn’t be that arrogant. Edit: *who.

@manperh9120

Ай бұрын

He gave us free choice. Thats why evil exist

@anakinskywalker5088

28 күн бұрын

Funny how even Christians disagree with his statement. He makes the free will argument look compelling in comparison (despite the god of the bible being omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient and does interact with his creation unlike a deistic god)

@t_for_toiki

23 күн бұрын

Well God is the only one who can defeat evil so the glory really does belongs to Him. Name someone who is holy enough in this world who can. Exactly.

@t_for_toiki

23 күн бұрын

@@arthurjellybeanmorgan2160 God didn't make evil, evil is basically something that opposes God and his will. He did not make evil people, it's the things that we do that are evil. (Which is why the word "sin" can be a verb) Sinning against God is opposing God, which means opposing holiness. And God being the just God that he is, of course we deserve punishment for violating his commandments. But he also knows that as human as we are, imperfect and sinful, there is nothing we can do to reign victory over sin and evil (and its consequences). So that's where his love comes in, where he sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to atone and intercede in behalf of the beginning to the last of us, so that we may be redeemed from eternal damnation, which supposedly is what we deserve. Jesus lived a perfect sinless life, and he wasn't going round condemning sinners, rather, giving us hope, showing a new perspective of life and a new way to be human. Also just so you know, Hell isn't just some place with lakes of fires in it, but is also eternal separation from God. Which is why there's eternal suffering, which we chose instead of holiness, because again, that's the consequence of sin, because again, sin causes you to be separated from God, because again, God is holy.

Both Matt Dillahunty and Alex O'Connor have responded to this video. This would be a great time for RedeemedZoomer to show just how strong his arguments are by responding directly to aforementioned persons arguments. But he won't of course because that would take intellectual courage. Instead, he's going with the "it was just a joke bro" defense.

@henriqueluizhogrefe1324

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@raltzei8120

2 ай бұрын

Fax 😂

@twizms7362

2 ай бұрын

Literally lol. As soon as there's any pushback at all suddenly it's "I was just kidding haha". If youre gonna make a bunch of stupid and controversial takes, be ready to grow a pair and defend your beliefs

@henfries

Ай бұрын

@@ChaffyExpert Is the atheist propaganda in the room with us now?

@Orpheus3896

Ай бұрын

Exactly atheists have well their going. To hell unfortunately

“Why can’t God destroy evil?” “He’ll do it eventually.” “Why can’t he do it now?” “Because he’ll destroy you.” “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” “We deserve it.” A masterpiece of how not to make an argument

@Eeeeerrttr

3 ай бұрын

He will destroy you because you are a sinner, and by definition, evil. We deserve it because we sinned.

@jan-3356

3 ай бұрын

there's no point in arguing with christians because they didn't arrive to that conclusion through evidence and research, but rather indoctrination, fear mongering, and hope.

@jan-3356

3 ай бұрын

​@@Eeeeerrttr "we deserve to live in a world of sin because we sinnned. why did god allow the world to be full of sin? idk, something about defeating satan and letting my son die on earth just so that nothing changes anyways and in the end 95% of his creations die anyway, but that doesn't matter, because it's their fault for existing anyway"

@iamjohn3d

3 ай бұрын

​@@jan-3356 God did not create the sin, He create free will and PEOPLE chose sin.

@TEMELUCH

3 ай бұрын

@@jan-3356 he loves everyone and gives them a chance to accept, it talks about in the bible how jesus knocks at your door and gives you a chance to open it, its your choice hes not forcing you to make a choice

"they can't agree so we can discard their opinions" what a wild statement

@Syffx.

3 ай бұрын

yeah i few of these were a little off. For example, "if you were born into a non christian country, then you wouldnt be christian", he just answered by saying "if you were born into another country, would you be atheist?". I feel like this doesnt really answer the original question. I interpret that question as saying "How is it ok to send people who have never heard of god to hell."

@philipcollins90

3 ай бұрын

@@Syffx. I have a counter argument I am a Quaker and I think non Christian can go to heaven because we are all familiar with the same light of god, I’m a minority though there is only about 400,000 Quakers main stream Christian would probably rebut it by day isn’t it’s unfair that they won’t be saved but it’s also unfair that anyone ever was saved because we are inherently flawed and don’t deserve it(I don’t completely agree but that’s the majority argument)

@snappycenter7863

3 ай бұрын

I've seen atheists use the same logic to reject religion.

@nathanjohnson9715

3 ай бұрын

@@philipcollins90I’m not a big fan of Christianity in general, but you Quakers are alright in my book. You guys are one of the only Christian groups who can say you were abolitionists in the U.S. before the stance was mandated by secular culture. I’m sure there are a billion things we’d disagree about, but that aspect of your religion at least deserves to be called out and commended.

@philipcollins90

3 ай бұрын

@@nathanjohnson9715 thank you

4:47 Didn’t Galileo literally get banned by the church for saying the Earth revolves around the sun?

@MrToddino

Ай бұрын

That was an issue of questioning the (Catholic) Church's authority since they saw it as somehow diminishing their place in the universe, it was never a general anti science stance like people say

@koiloylo

Ай бұрын

@@MrToddinoi mean yeah but isn’t that still the church cherrypicking and dismissing science to support their worldview?

@MrToddino

Ай бұрын

@@koiloylo yeah, have you ever read an article discussing a peer reviewed journal? Cherry picking data isn't a new thing, you're right

@tomasrocha6139

17 күн бұрын

Pope Urban VIII had been a patron to Galileo and had given him permission to publish on the Copernican theory as long as he treated it as a hypothesis, but after the publication in 1632, the patronage broke due to Galileo placing Urban's arguments for God's omnipotence, which Galileo had been required to include, in the mouth of a simpleton character named "Simplicio" in the book; this caused great offense to the Pope.

@RobertEWaters

21 сағат бұрын

What is "banned by the church?" He was excommunicated not because he said that the Earth resolves around the sun, but because he was a jerk about it.

Why do i get the impression this guy is a Redditor?

@gods-earths-85ers

2 ай бұрын

reddit accent

@isaac7344

2 ай бұрын

Every atheist I’ve ever seen is a redditor

@PeruvianPotato

2 ай бұрын

He isn't because he isn't an Atheist

@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv

Ай бұрын

Because you only read the worst there?

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

23 күн бұрын

Soyjak vs. Gigachad, and probably the accent too

"I depicted myself as the epic based chad and the opposition as the seething wojak so all my points are true"

@Bruno_Noobador

4 ай бұрын

Yes.

@-Dazai-

4 ай бұрын

Cry

@pardolagames8994

4 ай бұрын

Mad?

@mallninja9805

4 ай бұрын

@@pardolagames8994 🤡

@rt_huxley9205

4 ай бұрын

Coming from a guy who has a smiley face for an avatar. :)

You picked the most brain dead arguments to go against and you gave yourself the Chad Wojack. 11/10 great debate

@thug588

3 ай бұрын

he picked the ones that can be explained in a brief 10 minute video. if you actually care then you can easily find more in depth explanations of the more complicated things on youtube

@ansandoval2003

3 ай бұрын

🤦‍♂️

@logx-ow1us

3 ай бұрын

Ok I’m a Hindu and I believe in god fully; however I don’t seem to understand what his explanation is for why god exists. You can’t prove by converses because there are an infinite amount of cases. He didn’t elaborate at all about the science question. For example, I could ask why the Bible has the creation date of the earth so incorrect? He never proves god isn’t in the natural world using mathematics. He simply states it. As long as he can’t do the math, he can’t be correct.@@thug588

@speedyx3493

3 ай бұрын

He picked some of the most brain-dead arguments AND STILL somehow managed to make a fool of himself. This is one of my favorite videos on the planet

@alienwarex51i3

3 ай бұрын

@@thug588 He didn't pick a single argument for atheism though.

"look up demonic possessions" is wild

@kerhabplays

2 ай бұрын

Ask me anything.

@kabtheslab

2 ай бұрын

​@@kerhabplays How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

@Nooy_

2 ай бұрын

@@kerhabplayswhat are the last 6 digits of pi

@kerhabplays

2 ай бұрын

@@kabtheslab around 69 and a half.

@kerhabplays

2 ай бұрын

@@Nooy_ it doesn't have an end🤓

I must thank Redeemed Zoomer for this video. Without it I wouldn't have had all the laughs watching the countless atheist response videos. This one video has been a gold mine for atheist creators and has provided me hours of entertainment. Thank you Redeemed Zoomer!

@kyle--859

Ай бұрын

You know a video is good when you have already seen 7 people debunk it and there are still other interesting ways to debunk it that you haven't seen yet

@pythondrink

12 күн бұрын

​@@kyle--859could you recommend me those atheist response videos?

@kyle--859

12 күн бұрын

@@pythondrink I'll name some who debunked it. Alex O'Connor, Professor Plink, Rationality Rules, and Sir Sic. These are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

@JingleCot

7 күн бұрын

the fact that there are countless debunk videos on this one says enough about the arguements made by redeemed zoomer :)

Crazy how he mocks the voice of people who sound exactly like him

@EclipseIsMyFather

3 ай бұрын

Crazy how you make fun of him for having genetics and getting mad on a video instead of minding your own business.

@TyroneLangam

3 ай бұрын

@@EclipseIsMyFatherGod gave him those genetics apparently Not my fault!

@namelessman6257

3 ай бұрын

@@EclipseIsMyFather if he ain't allowed to comment on a video because its non of his business then why should you be allowed to respond😆

@searchingforsanity9862

3 ай бұрын

@@EclipseIsMyFather so the guy in the video is also attacking others for having genetics, right?

@EclipseIsMyFather

3 ай бұрын

@@TyroneLangam you're very funny, making fun of people for their beliefs

Why did god let evil exist in the first place? -Because he's glorified in defeating it. Thats pride, the main sin

@Ffeoli1039

3 ай бұрын

God can conveniently break the rules whenever he wants. He can lie and even kill people if he wants to.

@fallanor3

3 ай бұрын

@@Ffeoli1039 Thats real weird, why does god write the rules, and then break them himself?

@user-lf2nn5xn4i

3 ай бұрын

@@fallanor3bcz christianity is bs made by humans to control people

@treycopeland1368

3 ай бұрын

​@@Ffeoli1039So why should I follow someone who breaks their own rules?

@Ffeoli1039

3 ай бұрын

@@treycopeland1368 well. I don't because I don't think God is real. You can do what ever you want

im an atheist who was thinking about converting to religion, you reminded me why that would be a bad idea, thx dude :)

@hertzzgames

2 ай бұрын

@@WorldWideWeb-df3ey i was actually not joking, thanks for the info

@user-dt2hp9wy5q

Ай бұрын

@@hertzzgames Dude's a Calvinist. The free will argument goes out the window in his book, which makes God look like a kid killing ants with a magnifying glass. "Why does evil exist?" Because if it did not, free will wouldn't either.

"Why do bad things happen?" "We deserve it" Okay tell that to the little girl that got raped did she deserve it?, the family's mother who was murdered? Do they deserve to live their life without their mother? How about the INNOCENT victims of all the serial killers in human history? Did they deserve to die?

@aiya5777

10 күн бұрын

psychology has shown that we tend to believe in just world, where justice generally prevails and people are eventually compensated for fortunes and misfortunes but this also means that we're prone to thinking that the unfortunate people must have done something to deserve their fate when study participants are asked to explain why there are poor people, raped victims, cancer patients, traffic accidents' survivors, people with congenital birth defects, natural disasters' victims they twisted facts, or invented reasons that people caused their misfortunes themselves... rather just being victims research suggests that this belief is a coping mechanism that derives from the belief in just world

@weebwubb9569

4 күн бұрын

You think we dont sin against him EVERYDAY?? Ever since the downfall of mankind, we have been sinning. God backed up a bit to make room because WE DIDNT CHOOSE TO OBEY HIM. And with that... Evil and sin ruled the world, along with the evil of man putting it on little girls. It is not Gods fault, its ours. It is by the sin of man that those happen. They had free will, free will which then they used it for evil. They sinned against that girl by their OWN WILL, not Gods.

@aiya5777

4 күн бұрын

@@weebwubb9569 how can you say "you love me" If in your To Do list is written that you planned to lock me up and torture me for eternity when you were rejected by me? the Godman you're promoting is too childish, he needs to grow up and be the real man

@aiya5777

4 күн бұрын

@@weebwubb9569 I studied psychology and it's easy for me to see that the concept of jealous Godman, that you Must worship one Godman derives from man's incapability of handling rejection from a girl, and also handling rejection from many things in life being rejected by others is quite difficult for men to handle, the concept of jealous Godman is just the manifestation of it. let's lock all the rejectors up in hell, for eternity several men that I rejected back in my college days were a gazillion better than the Godman you're promoting, they didn't proceed to lock me up and torture me for eternity🤭🤭🤭

@aiya5777

4 күн бұрын

@@weebwubb9569 God is only powerful and perfect because he keeps on and on and on creating imperfect things that are less powerful than him, what an insecure man with beard

saying triumph over evil is better than no evil is like saying dropping your mug and gluing it back together is better than just not breaking your mug

@giftenjoyer3664

4 ай бұрын

How unsearchable are His judgments and decisions and how unfathomable and untraceable are His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO HAS BEEN HIS COUNSELOR?

@cromosect7169

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm not sure where he was getting at with this one.

@nearby_emu4181

4 ай бұрын

it almost sounds like God wasn't satisfied with a perfect world so he created evil (this allowing billions to die and suffer) so he could have some petty form of glory. Not a god I would want to worship.

@categories5066

4 ай бұрын

NO evil = no free will. Only having one option (to do good) is the same has having no options. No freedom. For humans to be truly free, they must have not only seen evil, but experienced it to truly understand its nature and in order to truly appreciate the good. The Buddha began his path to enlightened because he went outside of his palace and saw the evils of poverty, disease, and crime. If he stayed inside his palace his whole life, and didn't experience any evil, he would never have evolved into an enlightened being who understands and appreciates the nature of the good. Its the same with Christianity. Had God not let Adam and Eve stray, they would've remain ignorant, and non-appreciative of what good is.

@lenargilmanov7893

4 ай бұрын

@@categories5066 God is omnipotent, so he could've created a world where simultaneously no evil can exist and people are free. Similarly to how he created a world where people have free will despite the fact that he knows ahead of time which actions they will take.

The whole video has the energy of "It's too late atheist, I have drawn you as the virgin and me as the chad!"

@X__223

3 ай бұрын

listen to the argument. just because you dont want to doesnt make him wrong. Jesus even said this would happen. Jesus said the world would hate us for believing him.

@Bulletproof682

3 ай бұрын

@@X__223 I have listened to the arguments. He uses logical fallacies.

@claude7538

3 ай бұрын

probably because the atheist arguments are stupid?

@deejaythedeejay

3 ай бұрын

Fallacy fallacy

@Bulletproof682

3 ай бұрын

@@deejaythedeejay Nah The whole point of logical fallacies is that if they are the only thing supporting an argument, it falls apart. This in itself is not a fallacy and my comment was about those.

"Why did god let evil exist at all?" "So he could be glorified in defeating it." Somehow you just made it worse.

@calebmills6051

25 күн бұрын

bro really said "to show off"

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

23 күн бұрын

The best part is that according to Reformed's arguments, humanity will be destroyed when evil is destroyed Who will glorify God if humanity no longer exists?

@matteabrown195

16 күн бұрын

Yeah thats villian attitude right there. What. Its bc of our free will obviously

@calebmills6051

15 күн бұрын

@@matteabrown195 Free will isnt a valid reason either, are you suggesting that god is incapable of creating a reality where free will exists but evil does not? Does free will exist in heaven? If it does this means no evil and free will can coexist, if not then we are losing the supposed greatest gift from god by entering heaven, and becoming robots in the process.

@Kloppin4H0rses

8 күн бұрын

​​@@calebmills6051 God created Adam and Eve to be perfect and made in his image. But he kept things like the knowledge of good and evil from them (hence the tree). In this state they could exist freely without temptation to do evil because they were not aware of it. By eating from the tree humans discovered the nature of evil and temptation (therefore sin). So God kicked them out. My assumption would be that God saw the fall of man and that the overarching narrative of the Bible is that humans must regain that. Since humanity was made in God's image, it leads me to believe humanity was God's pet project. This journey of redemption therefore must be undertaken willfully by humans to be like God. I'm an atheist but that's my interpretation of the narrative and how I would sell it if I was Christian This common Christian image of God as absolute perfection without flaw is contradicted heavily by the Bible itself and several alternative interpretations have been forwarded throughout history. It's pretty interesting really.

"Its too late, atheists! I have depicted myself as the gigachad and you as the soyjack!" "Redeemed Zoomer, what the f*ck are you talking about?"

@comlain2513

2 ай бұрын

r/memes

@valentynvorobec7834

11 күн бұрын

NOOOOOOOOO! But my mom said I am the ultimate Sigma Male 😭

Saying that God let evil exist because he's glorified in defeating it is like starting your own war and then stopping it and being hailed as a hero, even though you directly caused all the suffering, so really you've just created evil.

@clash1505

3 ай бұрын

well i mean i guess he simply got that wrong lol but in Christian theology, the allowance of evil is intricately tied to the concept of free will, a fundamental aspect of human existence. God's plan involves granting individuals the freedom to make moral choices, even if some choose to engage in wrongdoing. The existence of evil, therefore, stems from the exercise of free will rather than a direct act of God. The redemptive narrative in Christianity underscores the possibility of transformation, forgiveness, and the ultimate triumph over evil through divine intervention and human choices aligned with God's will.

@You-vv1xv

3 ай бұрын

god: "thou shalt feel the gravity of my trolling, let them ready at thee"

@juehju

3 ай бұрын

literally ☠

@thehtehteotheithe

3 ай бұрын

the video said, essentially, 'good' is 'in accordance with the nature of God', and 'evil' is 'absence of the nature of God', and therefore God is inherently good

@birisuandrei1551

3 ай бұрын

​​@@clash1505 but evil is not necessary at all for people to be free, if you kill someone and enjoy it that doesn't do anything good for anyone, it's a waste of a human life and there's already countless things one could do to get that same satisfaction that aren't evil... God has created evil either willingly or unwillingly.

"Why did god let evil exist at all?" "Because he's glorified in defeating it" When I heard this I remembered the dialogue of Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising- "I'm using war as a business to get elected"

@Alright281

4 ай бұрын

Lmao

@3ggshe11s

4 ай бұрын

I mean, it makes no sense. Is God so thin-skinned that he needs to be glorified? And if he does, he can't think of a better way to do it than to allow evil to flourish, and people to suffer as a result?

@fredo3161

4 ай бұрын

Well, simply put, if you are choosing God you are choosing righteousness over the evil world. But you don't have to choose what's right.

@Alright281

4 ай бұрын

@@fredo3161 which the masses are already doing

@fredo3161

4 ай бұрын

@@Alright281 right. They don't like being told they are wrong or even challenged.

Frame one soyjak is a bold argumentative strategy not gonna lie.

This video has the energy of a commentary by a Reddit atheist turned tradcath who barely learned anything regarding logical fallacies and reinforcing his beliefs.

@Finckelstein

20 күн бұрын

I could, as an anti-theistic atheist, off the cuff make a better "debunking" video on atheism than this guy. This video is simply embarassing.

@onebigbaconnoob4150

18 күн бұрын

yeah this video in perticular is a stinker, his others are good tho

@weebwubb9569

4 күн бұрын

Name the fallacies lil bro

I love how he felt the need to lie about Hitler being atheist. If you have to edit the Wikipedia article, you know you’re in the wrong. Hitler was a critic of atheism💀

@clash1505

3 ай бұрын

The religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler, dictator of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, have been a matter of debate. During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church; his father, Alois Hitler, was a free-thinker and skeptical of the Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived. According to John Willard Toland, witnesses indicate that Hitler’s confirmation sponsor had to "drag the words out of him … almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to him."

@sinkorswimstars

3 ай бұрын

It's clear that Hitler manipulated Christian beliefs to support his worldview. As the above commenter mentioned, there is really nothing in Hitler's life that indicates a practicing Christian. Even per Wikipedia, and it's cited sources, "Hitler and the Nazi party promoted "Positive Christianity",[41] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[42][43] " this is certainly NOT Christianity, and is absolutely heretical. The moment he rejects Jesus' divinity, which is a tenet of all basically all true Christian forms, with their beliefs outlined in the Nicene Creed (council of Nicea), then you cannot consider them as "Christians". Now, to claim Hitler as "atheist" is ambiguous. But again, you can see he would schrewdly approach religion, and use what fits best, he was pragmatic. Here's a quote for you: "BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[44]" Truly ask yourself, was Hitler a deist? Very well could have been. Was he secular? Agnostic or atheist, that just manipulated religious teaching and customs to get what he wanted? Very well could have. But we don't know, clearly. But with his apparent disdain for Catholicism and other aspects of Judeo-Christian culture, it seems like this may have been the case. And to end off on this quote: "The historian Geoffrey Blainey wrote that Hitler courted and benefited from fear among German Christians of militant Communist atheism.[189] "The aggressive spread of atheism in the Soviet Union alarmed many German Christians", wrote Blainey, and with the National Socialists becoming the main opponent of Communism in Germany: "[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible."[189]"

@YTDariuS-my6dg

3 ай бұрын

@@clash1505 none of that says he was atheist just that he was being skeptical about his religion

@stanalex4544

3 ай бұрын

Hitler was some weird pagan occultist or some shit, but Nazi Germany was mostly secular, they didn't really give a shit about your religion. Hell, they didn't even care about the Jewish religion, just the Jewish ethnicity.

@warumistjedernamevergeben

3 ай бұрын

@@YTDariuS-my6dgSo he certainly wasnt religious. Maybe he was agnostic, but the point stands.

as a christian i find your response to the problem of evil disturbing and flat out wrong factually speaking

@raphdm3776

4 ай бұрын

Ok, why?

@nate_mccallister

4 ай бұрын

Because he literally just tries to use doublespeak to ask “well what is evil? It’s not a physical thing so…let’s move on to the next dumb question I think I’m answering.”

@lucca3113

3 ай бұрын

​@@nate_mccallisteri am an atheist, and i agree that it is a bad response, but it is not doublespeak. what he's arguing is that "good" is god's will, like a vase whose mold conforms to the appearance and functions of god's nature. then "evil" is just the distortion of god's will and nature, so a vase whose appearance and function is distorted. but i'd argue it is a bad argument. since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function, then it is impossible to distinguish god's will from man's will. man is as much creator of worth as god, so either 1. god has given up all will to man, and therefore his judgement has become irrelevant (thus god does not exist in practice) or 2. god does not exist at all. if we cannot prove 1 then 2 proves itself either way.

@turkeybobjr

3 ай бұрын

He's a Calvinist. This is the best answer they've got.

@crutherfordmusic

3 ай бұрын

@@lucca3113 This is terrible reasoning. "since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function" God created all things, including man. The created thing is not the creator. A man can program a computer to create an image, but that doesn't mean that "man has given up all will to the computer... and thus man doesn't exist in practice". It doesn't mean that man doesn't exist at all.

Bro lost an argument against his own straw men💀💀💀

@George-jd6fz

6 күн бұрын

your username is quite accurate to be fair

"Sure some verses could be interpreted to condone slavery," bro what. Understatement of the century.

@Z4NKA1

Ай бұрын

Slavery wasn’t the same back then

@C-Farsene_5

Ай бұрын

@@Z4NKA1 but it was slavery was it? Sure murder and rape was different too, but is it not murder and rape?

@koiloylo

Ай бұрын

@@Z4NKA1what’s that supposed to mean? it’s still enslaving and owning living people against their will, can you really argue that’s morally good?

@user-sc6cp8qn1m

Ай бұрын

​@Z4NKA1 Humans were the same back then. There were undoubtedly bad slave owners during that time as there were in any time.

@sludgemouf780

16 күн бұрын

Are you insinuating that there is such a thing as a good slave owner? lol.

How can anyone fail to debunk an argument even after strawmanning it?

@_osrs

3 ай бұрын

no clue 😹😹

@Edgar_Hoods

3 ай бұрын

Which are you in reference to?

@scottthiemann2420

3 ай бұрын

Looks like your thumbs-up says it all. Perhaps following MindShift would actually shed more light on these questions.

@Ralzone

3 ай бұрын

​@@tyrone687If he claims to debunk 40 arguments in 9 minutes he better do that.

@Onlyafool172

3 ай бұрын

​@@Ralzone the whole point is that he is debunking strawmans so i dont see the issue

This is gaining a lot of traction. Unfortunately for zoomer i dont think its the kind he was hoping for.

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

3 ай бұрын

He is an embaressment for our generation.

@acebailey2478

3 ай бұрын

@@cheifdonkey149 I think You've got it wrong my man. We aren't judging his arguments in relation to full fledged rebuttals, they just aren't good even by the standard of short quips.

@2007NissanAltima

3 ай бұрын

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714athiests at this day and age that are militant are an embarrasment

@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714

3 ай бұрын

@@2007NissanAltima Atheists are normal people. Its culturs who are an embaressment when they have the full access to all human knowlage on the internet.

@PatrickWDunne

3 ай бұрын

@@cheifdonkey149 Nobody told him that his video had to be confined to 10 minutes. He could've made a longer and more in-depth video if he chose.

"Secular scholars don't agree on which quotes are fake so we can discard their opinions. It's totally okay that there's 5000 Christian denominations though because they agree on the essentials." Lmao.

@CptDawner

18 күн бұрын

This was addressed. We all agree on the essentials

@adeadaxe

18 күн бұрын

​@@CptDawner I'm aware that it was "addressed," did you even read my entire post? The point is the hypocrisy of saying "My enemies don't perfectly agree on everything so we can ignore everything they say, but it's okay that we do that." It's particularly hypocritical because you very much don't agree on the essentials, which is why there's 5000 denominations in the first place. If you agreed, you would only need one. Do you need to be baptized to get into Heaven? Yes and no. How should baptism be done? Sprinkling water on the head is enough, but actually its full immersion. Are you allowed to get a divorce? Yes and no. Are Christians still beholden to Old Testament laws? Yes and no. Does Purgatory exist? Yes and no. How many books are canon? 66 and 73. Is the bible inerrant and infallible? Yes and no. Prima scriptura vs. Sola scriptura. And many other things. Therefore, since none of you agree we can discard your opinions.

@JohnDoe-nq5dt

17 күн бұрын

@@adeadaxehaha sometimes atheist questions are so easy to answer just difficult to explain, hard to understand

@adeadaxe

16 күн бұрын

​@@JohnDoe-nq5dt First of all, something cannot be "easy to answer" and "difficult to explain" at the same time, those are mutually contradictory. Second of all, I'm not sure what you're even talking about because there are no "atheist questions" in either of my posts. The initial claims from the video are: 1. Secular scholars don't 100% agree on every single thing, therefore all of their opinions are worthless. 2. Christians don't 100% agree on every single thing, but this is fine because they agree on the essentials. My first post is pointing out that saying both of these things at the same time makes you a hypocrite. CptDawner for some reason decides to reply with something I already mentioned, completely not understanding what I even said apparently, so I decided to point out that "we agree on the essentials" is not even true in the first place by listing various _Christian_ questions that Christians do not agree on. And according to the video's own logic, because this is the case, we can discard all Christian opinions. Thus, I don't know what "atheist questions" you're talking about. The only question _I_ asked was whether CptDawner actually read my post properly. If you'd like to actually have a proper conversation about the above issue, feel free to actually say something of substance. But popping in with "It's so easy to answer atheist questions, but I'm not going to because actually it's difficult to answer atheist questions," is just a waste of time.

@matteabrown195

16 күн бұрын

So if Atheists scholars don’t agree on 100% of their points are you saying they would be wrong too?

The amount of logical fallacies in this single video is absolutely hilarious. Good job bro

Honestly I think a better way to answer the “religion causes wars/evil” question is not to say non religious wars/evil happen more often, but that no matter your religious belief we are all intrinsically evil, and that religious people are not exempt.

@johnwicksfoknpencil

4 ай бұрын

While you have a valid point yourself I do not think it qualifies to replace the original point, but could be layered onto it after the original is stated for reinforcement. I say this because numbers are very powerful and when you have a strong statistic to illustrate in favor of your stance you should absolutely use it (and have your source ready to share, which they will definitely ask for). 3% of wars being caused by Christianity means the rest of the world is the cause for 97%. That is an extremely condemning number and is impossible to justify by an atheist.

@panaroid9636

4 ай бұрын

@@johnwicksfoknpencil That is if you only see the world as Christian vs the rest of the world, that 97% is made up of billions of people, other nations, countries, and religions. If the 97% is divided up and percentages divided accordingly each group could say the same, now I dont know the % of Islam, but say its also 3% then they could say the same. But I would say it is much more complex. Statistics is a complex topic, while the main reason for most of the wars in history might not be cited as religious, the governments involved might be religious, and the reasons for their political stances might be religious...I'm not saying it is. After all only 20% of the world identifies as non-believers... I believe, Take America in the Middle East, the reasons will not be cited as Christian or religious, but are committed to by a Christian nation(arguably at least). Now I dont know the stats cited here, but I doubt the remainder is secular or atheist causes necessarily. It's probably political, nationalistic, etc. This might be a black-and-white fallacy where just because it's not (directly) Christian doesn't mean it's automatically atheistic causes. You wanting to pin the rest of the 97% solely on atheists is like me pinning the American civil war on Christianity, just because most people involved were Christian (dont know if they actually were just making a point) as the war itself has nothing to with that, so that would be ridiculous, it's the same the other way around. Just because a war is not because of Christianity doesn't automatically make it because of atheism, or even if it is between atheists doesn't mean it's because of atheism. There are a plethora of reasons and stances. The main point atheists make regarding this I believe, is that Christian or religious people aren't inherently more moral or good people, not necessarily (although some atheists probably hold this point) that all wars are because of religion.

@definitelynotsarcasm

4 ай бұрын

Additionally wars mostly happen either to gain resources or influence. To say "oh it was religion" misses the mark to me as an excuse would be used to start it. Honestly, even the crusades (at least some of them) were simply to stop the aggressive expansion of muslim powers into Europe.

@Thundaga5

4 ай бұрын

Atheists don't believe people are intrinsically evil. In fact, many don't believe evil even exists- but rather that morality is mostly gray. If you put a man who had never had any other human contact alone in a forest, they would simply do what is necessary to survive.

@johnwicksfoknpencil

4 ай бұрын

@@panaroid9636 It is Christians and the rest of the world. You are either a Christian or you are not. The point stands as it originally did.

"Because he's glorified in defeating it" does not seem like a greater good than not letting evil exist in the first place.

@D4rkslider

3 ай бұрын

Denying Free will is the Greatest Evil, With Free will, Comes Evil You can choose to do Evil or Not, because, In not Letting Evil Happen in the first place, It denys us Free will, which inturn, makes us robot-like

@crimsonking5961

3 ай бұрын

​@@D4rksliderGod could give us free will but make it against our nature to commit evil.

@BlockyBookworm

3 ай бұрын

@@D4rkslider There are a bunch of evil things you don't want to do. Do you not have free will? Free will is not free want.

@queenraeisel6651

3 ай бұрын

@@D4rkslider Honestly, if I and my fellow humans had to go about life as robots in order to avoid a lifetime of suffering, I would be pretty okay with that. Plus, if God couldn't create humans without creating evil, why make humans at all? To quote Lord Farquaad, "Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." God's completely fine with humans suffering and dying as long as the ones that are still alive worship him. Not a good look in my personal opinion, but hey, you do you

@holop100

3 ай бұрын

@@queenraeisel6651 There is also another way to frame that last sentence. "God is not completely fine with ANY of His creation perishing as a result of sin 'evil'. However, He is justified in creating man (for fellowship) in spite of the many that will reject Him. It may not be fully satisfactory on an emotional level, but it's not an injustice for God to create men who would freely chose to reject Him & forgo that fellowship he would have with those who would embrace & love Him.

For anyone who's wondering, as of March 14, 2024, the like to dislike is: 31K to....53K !

@Alexander_Kale

Ай бұрын

The staggering part about this is.... Why is the LIKE count so high? 30 k? at 400k views? For THIS nonsense? what the heck?

@SirLumbago

Ай бұрын

mad athiests moment

@cursling

Ай бұрын

@@SirLumbago TRUE???

@SmitePlayz_

26 күн бұрын

@@SirLumbago mad because... his counter-agrguements are stupid?

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

23 күн бұрын

Seeing the comments, there is no way 7.5% of viewers liked it

I'll do you one better: "Stroke causes death" "but only 5.2% of people die because of stroke"

As a Christian, I feel this piece falls a little short on the explanation side of things. While I (inner circle, regular Bible reader) can understand the meaning and context to most of the answers to each argument, I don't think the majority of "answers" really answered anything. It often just posited an opposing point, without sufficient supporting evidence. The answers with quotes from Church fathers and Bible quotes were the best responses. Every answer to each of these questions should tie back to those things in some way.

@FinnA07

3 ай бұрын

The questions itself where also strawmanned and condensed into one sentence, so answering them wouldn't even have been usefull

@mr72126

3 ай бұрын

I feel like the answers were good but he rushed them for the video. If he further explained his point it would be much better

@FinnA07

3 ай бұрын

@@mr72126 The answers weren't even answers to the already strawmanned argzments he presendted

@OneTeenDiscipleship

3 ай бұрын

I'm not entirely sure that this was meant to bring atheists to God. This could be a building ground for us Christians to work upon and expand, just as a basic idea. However, I do agree with you. But if he had explained each one in depth it would have been days long. God bless!

@notlewisz3713

3 ай бұрын

A christian presenting arguments without supporting evidence??? Never.

The reddit mod Atheist voice he used when asking the atheism questions was completely unnecessary, he already sounds like that 🤣

@miikaura

3 ай бұрын

i couldn't even tell he was putting onna voice...

@dwightk.schrute7213

3 ай бұрын

sunny what are you doing watching christian debaters

@freshcarrot2253

3 ай бұрын

@@dwightk.schrute7213 Yeah we should stay in our circle jerks while you should stay in yours

@dwightk.schrute7213

3 ай бұрын

@@freshcarrot2253 lol that was an inside joke because of nameless's profile pic. there's nothing wrong with observing the other side and offering honest criticism...

@freshcarrot2253

2 ай бұрын

@@dwightk.schrute7213 Oh im sorry I didn't get it lol

“How do you know which religion is right?” While all religions have their own arguments,no arguments just *BAM* I’m correct,that’s why we have a BELIEF on the religion and that’s why we have FAITh.

"it's over atheist, I've depicted you as a soyjak and myself as a Chad"

@colinschmitt6571

4 ай бұрын

This may be one of the worst videos I have ever seen. Like his point on god being the uncaused causer is so hilarious. He just asserts it makes more sense for god to be an uncaused causer than the universe because he already agrees with it 😂

@asagoldsmith3328

4 ай бұрын

​@@colinschmitt6571well I mean OBVIOUSLY. I mean it just HAS to be. Haha. Duh.

@mignonne_

4 ай бұрын

​@@colinschmitt6571smartest atheist:

@colinschmitt6571

4 ай бұрын

@@mignonne_ great argument! You really got me!

@mignonne_

4 ай бұрын

@@colinschmitt6571 i sure did

"Because he'd have to destroy you" is absolutely not a counter argument to "Why can't God destroy evil now?" If God can destroy evil but doesn't because I'm alive he has my full permission to send me to hell on the spot, that's just a basic trolley problem.

@razul5689

4 ай бұрын

God wants you to be saved from evil and from hell, thats why he wouldnt come for us right now, hes waiting. Also he has prophecys to make true

@raphdm3776

4 ай бұрын

God never sends anyone to hell bro, do some research...

@rynun7620

4 ай бұрын

​@@raphdm3776someone has to. I figure Romans 9 19-23 argues in favor of it. Some are made and are set to be damned in the final day

@fredo3161

4 ай бұрын

Then no one would have a chance. Not even in Hell!

@jalengee8421

4 ай бұрын

Every one would go too.. Can’t you put 3 seconds into researching Christian basic beliefs

I’m a Christian and you make us look bad religion is faith while I agree with you on most of these we shouldn’t attack people for their own beliefs Christianity isn’t under attack by atheists at least not the good ones

@elfanarion

2 ай бұрын

It would be fine if he "attacked" atheism in a proper way. Instead all we see is lies and misrepresentation.

@user-dt2hp9wy5q

Ай бұрын

Right, but this wouldn't be an issue at all if we weren't under attack by soooooo many Atheists.

Step 1: stop using comic sans

@fernlovebond

2 ай бұрын

Step 2: stop using wojak memes

@koiloylo

Ай бұрын

@@fernlovebondbut that’s his only good argument!!

@mukatte4755

21 күн бұрын

He's using comic sans you'll have a bad time (sans undertale reference)

This seems made for people who already agree with you and I get the feeling many of them would have cringed through this video regardless.

@User19086

3 ай бұрын

This was made for biased Christians who wanted their beliefs to be approved by somebody for them to feel good about themselves, like all of these "Debunking Atheism😎" style videos.

@junkaccount2535

3 ай бұрын

I am a Christian and I DEFINITELY cringed because he took complex questions that have real and legitimate answers and reduced those to quick answer gotcha orthodox based Chad bring the West back styled memes. He’s not winning any Christians over just as the top 10 Christian argument videos published by atheists aren’t winning any deconverts.

@burnslee1164

2 ай бұрын

I cringed at the "atheist argument wheel".

@nauikunart

2 ай бұрын

@@junkaccount2535 Retorts. 1) Matt Dillahunty: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6iYqqt8ec3be7w.html 2) Alex O'Connor: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6Gij8uMnZTVeMY.html 3) Mindshift (w/ Brandon): kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2qsyLumoqfKpZM.html 4) Professor Plink: (Part 1) kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWF5ycyqgJO3c7A.html & (Part 2) kzread.info/dash/bejne/hq2TrJSOe6yxl7w.html

@tylie777

2 ай бұрын

Naw I liked it. no body I’d run into would take it much deeper than he’s taking it. the average joe isn’t a biblical scholar ya know

I was looking for actually good arguments to challenge my atheism, and after watching this video, I found none. The amazingly massive amount of logical fallcies and wordplay in this video is absolutely breathtaking.

@doctormomentos2514

3 ай бұрын

are you a scientist? Or just an egoist who doesnt want to be dependent by something he doesnt understand. We all feel mighty and strong alone untill the day comes, the day when we die

@Bulletproof682

3 ай бұрын

@@doctormomentos2514 He's right tho, the video is full of logical fallacies

@doctormomentos2514

3 ай бұрын

@@Bulletproof682 can you tell me what are the fallacies please, i am very interested

@Bulletproof682

3 ай бұрын

@@doctormomentos2514 I can offer you something even better, and while my comment sounds sarcastical, it actually is not, so I ask you to take it seriously. Watch a video on the different types of logical fallacies. Alternatively, you can google them or ask Chat GPT to give you a list of them with a short explanation and example for each of them. I believe that this is important for everyone to do because afterwards, it is almost like you can view the world in a different way; you will start to see logical fallacies everywhere, as people like to use them to win an argument or make a point when they're out of ideas. It will help you see which politicans are lying to get your vote and which are more trustable. If you're ever in an argument with someone, being aware of logical fallacies will massively help you. You may also notice how you unintentionally use logical fallacies from time to time without knowing it. After being aware of them, discussions will become easier and you may avoid to fall for lies or false arguments. However, as to not ignore your initial request; I think the very first logical fallacy is that atheists are basicly depicted as soy boys/virgins, thus the content creator is already trying to downplay them. I believe it falls under the ad hominem fallacy.

@straightupnothavingagoodtime

3 ай бұрын

@@doctormomentos2514 the detection of logical fallacies is something learnt and taught to people as early as highschool. I'll give you a few timestamps in this video, and let you train yourself on their identification! 0:00 to 9:04

Thank god im an atheist

@sannmayy

Ай бұрын

Thank God I'll never be atheist 😊

You see atheists..I gave myself the Chad character and you the Wojak. These tactics are why God is real and why I am the master debater... Honestly this video made me even more of an atheist which I didnt think was possible. Some of the takes here are reddit worthy..

“Why can’t God destroy evil?” “He’ll do it eventually.” “Why can’t he do it now?” “Because he’ll destroy you.” “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” “We deserve it.” The 2 month old baby that got diagnosed with stage 6 cancer:

@MicroplaysMC

3 ай бұрын

I less lazy answer would be "the world is full of carcinogens in the food and environment because greedy people in power prioritize profit over health". A second, closer to the root answer would be; the world isn't our final destination, so realistically that baby just suffered for 2 months and then got to heaven way earlier than we will. Good for him. Living is hard. True Christians do not fear death.

@georgeuferov1497

3 ай бұрын

​@@MicroplaysMC cancer is not necessarily caused by cancerogenes. It can just happen randomly

@MicroplaysMC

3 ай бұрын

@@georgeuferov1497 your point?

@TyroneLangam

3 ай бұрын

@@MicroplaysMCHow did free will cause those Earthquakes in Turkey that killed tens of thousands of people?

@alatiasalias

3 ай бұрын

necessary evil, for the greatest possible good the exact reason that's so, is something like contrast this world will always be minus-y

Oh dear, most of these are answering weak arguments with weaker arguments

@mirfielkeinnameein8496

4 ай бұрын

fr i thought exactly the same, bro picked the weakest arguments and still failed to counter most of them. At this point most christians are just lying to themselves, they`re ignoring arguments and saying they won debates were they clearly lost

@RonaldoNazario382

4 ай бұрын

​Bro we'll just see on judgement day​@@mirfielkeinnameein8496

@xSimonTan

4 ай бұрын

His bit about comparing Scandinavia to Communist China and saying that the former was rooted in Christianity was pretty funny. Other than the blatant cherry picking, it refutes nothing and makes the implication that Scandinavia would be in the same place as China without Christianity. It's a bit sad that people in the comments are taking him dead seriously.

@genericcatgirl

4 ай бұрын

Half his arguments are basically just "nuh uh" lol

@anthonyyawtwumasimensah197

4 ай бұрын

​@@xSimonTanit would or maybe even worse.

REDEEMED ZOOMER Try not to contradict himself for 0.01 seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

The best argument this entire video provides is presenting the atheists as soyjacks and the theists as chads. As for the rest of the arguments, they're not quite as strong.

The worst part about it is he didn't even answer the entire roulette

@xuvial1391

2 ай бұрын

That's the best part!

@mariomesa1691

2 ай бұрын

@@xuvial1391 "That's the neat thing!"

@Heavenly-Disaster

2 ай бұрын

The entire thing for my fellow lazy ppl 1) I believe in science so that means god can't be real 2)I was raised Christian and I have trauma (they said not to sin) 3) look here is a violent Bible verse that nobody ever noticed before 4) there is contradictions in the Bible (that the Church has never noticed) 5) SKY DADDY 6) if God is real why don't I have a gg yet? 7) I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho) 8) your god did a genocide in the flood he big meanie Timestamp: 0:06

@Heavenly-Disaster

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, some of those were better arguments than any he talked about in the vid

@MineCrapSteve

Ай бұрын

​@@PsychologicalHorrorEnthusiast Don't even get me started on "I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho)" ?????

I had to stop watching immediately with the claim "Hitler is an Atheist." "It's true that Hitler's public statements opposing atheism should not be given too much weight, since they obviously served Hitler's political purposes to tar political opponents. However, in his private monologues, he likewise rejected atheism, providing further evidence that this was indeed his personal conviction. Perhaps even more significantly, he had complete faith that Providence had chosen him to lead the German people to greatness. It's clear through his personal monologues that he rejected Atheism, but while confessing faith in an omnipotent being of some sort, however, Hitler denied we could know anything about it. Source: Hitler's Religion by Richard Weikart (History Professor at California State University)

@YouAreStillNotablaze

4 ай бұрын

I knew I read something like that but didn't have the info at hand when I was typing out a response, thanks for the sources.

@Leadlight280

4 ай бұрын

That one was hilariously stupid, even if Hitler wasn't, most nazis were catholic.

@Picklethatiswild

4 ай бұрын

Mao Zedong was an atheist

@xenon6661

4 ай бұрын

I really don't know, I'm reading a book about polish hero Pilecki who volunteered to Auschwitz nazi camp as a spy for polish ressistance and the West and in the concentration camp he asked sometimes Polish people for their religion, which surprised me, because that means in the 30' not all the Poles were religious, so in Germany also could be like that.

@anthonyyawtwumasimensah197

4 ай бұрын

Hitler believed in some strange form of paganism.

These arguments are worse then my math skills 💀

@ggwp26lolol18

2 ай бұрын

Bro should become a philosophy teacher 💀

@comlain2513

2 ай бұрын

quirky and funny

pretty sure the deaf and blind your god has supposedly saved could make a better argument when they were fully incapacitated

I find it interesting how in this video, in response to the "Evolution disproves God" argument, you say that there have been religious thinkers in the past who have concluded that the Genesis story is not literal, but in a more recent video about heresies, you say that anyone claiming that the bible is not literal follows "liberalism" which is a heresy. So in order to answer the athiest argument, you had to use a heretical one. Again, very interesting.

@TheQuadraticAttenuator

3 ай бұрын

As much as I love when people point out one's hypocrisy, I can't help but feel like even he doesn't believe or listen to the shit he says. Like, has he made an updated video, or responded to any of the arguments these comment bring up? He's either stoking the fire or, as his name suggests, a young kid who is struggling to make sense of our confusing world, and doing a poor job of it. Hell, I feel like the christian keyboard warriors here have a far more, albiet still flawed, understanding of this topic.

@PatrickWDunne

3 ай бұрын

I feel like this should be a red flag to believers. Saying that Genesis is metaphorical just means that they're admitting they can't take the Bible at its word.

@thejunglecommando

3 ай бұрын

@@PatrickWDunne2 Mark 3:8 ‘With the lord one day is like a thousand years’

@improvgm8663

3 ай бұрын

@@thejunglecommando Still not anywhere near enough time.

@thejunglecommando

3 ай бұрын

@@improvgm8663 it say “like” which infers it is a simile and we will never know the true time perspective of God but your opinion is your’s

"Correlation doesn't equal causation but Scandinavia is so prosperous because of generations of Protestants." Nice, that's great

@Conserpov

2 ай бұрын

And here I thought it was vast natural resources and selling them to both sides during two world wars

@brodymundt

2 ай бұрын

Nope. It’s the religion.

@deplorabledegenerate2630

2 ай бұрын

Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century? The vast natural resources is a fine counter but that second one is stupid and you know it.

@Conserpov

2 ай бұрын

@@deplorabledegenerate2630 _> Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century?_ They weren't, buddy. They were quite poor. Do you think they invented eating surstromming because they were prosperous? 😆 Selling herring and taxing the trade between Russia and Europe through the Baltic sea were their primary sources of income before 20th century. E.g. before WW1, Sweden was deeply in dept. After WW1, Sweden was swimming in gold.

@JuanPablodelaTorre

2 ай бұрын

@@deplorabledegenerate2630 Grab a history book, please.

I love how literally the first argument wasn’t even debunked. He just said religion doesn’t cause all of the wars

@49perfectss

Ай бұрын

💯

@Max_Skogr

Ай бұрын

7% are caused by religion and some of the worst atrocities were caused by Atheists (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot etc).

@user-dt2hp9wy5q

Ай бұрын

His point was that it isn't most, or even a lot. Most wars are caused by regular human motivations.

@49perfectss

Ай бұрын

@@user-dt2hp9wy5q the argument he provided was that religion starts wars. He then verified that that is sometimes true. I have never once heard an atheist say all wars are started by religion. This video is childish.

@user-dt2hp9wy5q

27 күн бұрын

@@49perfectss Neither have I, but some of them will say that most wars are, which is obviously wrong.

Retorts. 1) Matt Dillahunty: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6iYqqt8ec3be7w.html 2) Alex O'Connor: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6Gij8uMnZTVeMY.html 3) Mindshift (w/ Brandon): kzread.info/dash/bejne/c2qsyLumoqfKpZM.html 4) Professor Plink: (Part 1) kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWF5ycyqgJO3c7A.html & (Part 2) kzread.info/dash/bejne/hq2TrJSOe6yxl7w.html

@25dollarbill24

2 ай бұрын

What @TheOicyu812 the Christ-hater is admitting, here, is that he has no arguments to present. And, the fact that he has no arguments to present shows that those, his fellow Christ-haters, links to whose videos he devoted his entire post to posting, gave him no argument(s) to present. Ah, but then, to his credit, @TheOicyu812 is not quite silly enough to claim that he or his fellow Christ-haters have any argument(s) to present. Rather, he openly admits that all they are handing out is merely (to quote his own word) _"retorts"._

@nauikunart

2 ай бұрын

may i use this as a reply to others.

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

2 ай бұрын

​@@nauikunartdo it please, nobody's stopping you (except maybe youtube comment moderation)

@Ghalaghor_McAllistor

27 күн бұрын

How did you prevent youtube from deleting this comment for having links in it?

@SmitePlayz_

26 күн бұрын

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor yes we an answer OP

It's videos like these where I truly miss the thumbs down visibility.

@thealbinotadpole2878

3 ай бұрын

Currently at 15k

@Jedicake

3 ай бұрын

@@thealbinotadpole2878 oh!

@dontspikemydrink9382

2 ай бұрын

17k now @@Jedicake

@PeruvianPotato

2 ай бұрын

​@@dontspikemydrink9382Yep. Funny that Atheists try to portray themselves as the edgy ones but will have tantrums whenever someone criticizes them.

@dontspikemydrink9382

2 ай бұрын

@@PeruvianPotato no we don't.

I love how like half of these are internally self contradictory 😂

@PatrickWDunne

3 ай бұрын

"God is the reason everything happens" "God can only create good, not evil" "Evil is the lack of good" So how does Evil exist?

@zaktan7197

3 ай бұрын

That is like asking “The heater can only make heat so how is there cold?” A good thing doesn’t necessarily imply an incorruptible thing, those are two different attributes.

@GodsChosenONE676

3 ай бұрын

​@PatrickWDunne Isaiah 45:7 God created light and darkness

@X__223

3 ай бұрын

@@PatrickWDunne reading this just makes me think you're a monkey. The fact that you can't understand that free will exists even though you had the thought to type the comment and not God is actually absurd.

@clickpause8732

3 ай бұрын

@@GodsChosenONE676 Exactly! Sin doesn't exist by coincidence, but by design.

You really made yourself the Chad wojak for this vid💀

This is the greatest argument for atheism I've ever seen

The argument isn't "Your geographical location influenced your belief, therefore your belief is false." The reason someone holds a belief has nothing to do with whether or not it is true. The argument is "If a god exists and reveals themself to all people, we would not expect geographical location to be the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Location _is_ the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Therefore such a god does not exist."

@PppPlyr2

2 ай бұрын

First of all, location is not the primary indicator for religious affiliation; there are a multitude of factors that may influence what someone believes, but it all comes down to what someone chooses to believe. If it wasn't so, we wouldn't have individuals or minority groups who go against the majority culture. Presenting one factor as the primary indicator for religious affiliation neglects the complexity of reasons for why people believe what they believe. Second, you're presenting a false dilemma: either everyone believes the same thing, or God doesn't exist. You're forgetting a third option. Yes, God has chosen to reveal Himself to all nations, either through Scripture, the human conscience, or the natural world. However, mankind still has the free will to reject God and create their own religions, because even though they don't want anything to do with the one true and living God, they cannot get rid of their need to believe in something. It would be akin to arguing that because there is a real Dollar, no counterfeit dollars could ever exist, but since we have counterfeit dollars, therefore there is no real Dollar. If anything, the existence of counterfeit dollars underscores the necessity for a real Dollar, because if there was no real Dollar, how would you know if it was counterfeit? You don't even need to use God to prove this. I bet that most people know that eating fast food is unhealthy and will kill you slowly if eaten excessively, yet they still do it. The problem is not that people don't have knowledge, but rather that you need to explain why people act a certain way in spite of what they know. TL;DR - False dilemma; even if God made Himself known 100%, people could still reject Him because of free will.

@Daniel-vl8zm

2 ай бұрын

@@PppPlyr2 it absolutely IS the primary indicator. Almost all muslims are born or are recently decended from majority muslim countries, and the same goes for almost all Christians being born in the west.

@purplesamurai5205

2 ай бұрын

​​@@Daniel-vl8zmSaying it's the primary factor doesn't account for the religious differences WITHIN the members of the various denominations, but of course leave it to atheists to generalize to the degree that individuals stop existing and only groups remain.

@PppPlyr2

2 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-vl8zm See? You yourself disprove your own position; you say "almost all Muslims" (emphasis on "almost all"). If location was the primary factor, wouldn't you expect 100% allegiance to whatever religion is prominent in that area? As an aside, even if location was the primary factor, what does that have to do with whether or not that religion is true or not? Truth remains true regardless of location, so you cannot assess the truthfulness of a religion based on where it came from. Also, I didn't see a response to my second point.

@olliefenwick1212

2 ай бұрын

@@PppPlyr2you clearly don’t understand what “primary” means and that’s ok. No, location being the primary factor does NOT imply 100% at all, it literally means “almost all”. It wouldn’t be “primary” factor then, it would be the “only” factor

I don't understand how Christians can say the existence of God unfalsifiable but also not admit that their belief is not fully based on faith

@emuannihilator5774

4 ай бұрын

I don't think you understand what 'faith' means. Christians have faith that God will be there for them and help them and have faith that He'll answer their prayers, not faith that He exists at all.

@lukebaker5135

4 ай бұрын

“I don’t understand” is not an argument

@godiebeard

4 ай бұрын

@@emuannihilator5774 you need to believe something exists to have faith in them

@godiebeard

4 ай бұрын

@@lukebaker5135 how can Christians say that the existence of God in unfalsifiable but also say that their belief in God's existence isn't based on faith

@chrisdawson1776

4 ай бұрын

@@godiebeardcuck

How can someone be so confident and so wrong at the same time

That zoom on Hitler's wikipedia ignoring all the rest where he claims that Jesus was an "Aryan fighter" and the fact that "Gott Mit Uns" ("God With Us", in every soldier belt) was a nazi motto, was very suspicious.

The contradiction between "god is supernatural, he' works outside of science" and "there have medically documented instances of miracles" is pretty funny.

@OttoBinks

2 ай бұрын

Either he interacts with reality and is thus "testable," or he exists outside of reality and is thus untestable. They can't have it both ways.

@Claire-tk4do

2 ай бұрын

While I do not think this video was a good one, nor am I even sure that there's a God, I want to point out that I don't think those two particular statements necessarily contradict each other. I've often heard God proposed as a being who, though beyond science in both capabilities and presence (for example existing on some other plane or in some non-physical form), can and does influence the material world by usage of these Godly abilities. For many consider God the creator, with ultimate influence over nature; not of it yet involved in it. You could consider an artist or a computer programmer as an example: not of the thing they create, certainly beyond it, but also with great ability to affect further outcomes should they so wish.

@Justin-dl7hb

2 ай бұрын

@@OttoBinks He is testiable, look into philosophy

@TitoLounge11

2 ай бұрын

@Claire-tk4do I understand, but anything that affects the physical world can be tested, even if its ultimate origin is unknowable. After all, we don't know why the laws of the universe are what they are, but we can still measure them precisely. Or to use your programmer analogy, the faith-healing claim is that the we live in a programmer's simulation with code that says "if they worship me, I'll sometimes heal them miraculously". That claim is testable, even if the origin of the code isn't. And unsurprisingly, every time it's tested, it ends up being no better than random chance.

@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500

2 ай бұрын

"works outside of science" while also acting through "natural processes"

‘If you were born someone else you wouldn’t be a Christian’ isn’t trying to dismiss your beliefs by arguing they’re meaningless because they’re shaped by environment. It’s arguing that the main factor in whether you got to heaven or hell is where you were born, which clearly isn’t moral or fair

@doctormomentos2514

3 ай бұрын

bro this guy has never died and he can never know who goes to hell or heaven. Dont believe evrything that you are told

@christopherbravo1813

2 ай бұрын

Whether God is good is a completely different issue from whether or not God exists. When people start acknowledging their Creator, *then* we can have a discussion about how nice He is.

@PeculiarSkeptic

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherbravo1813 what nonsense. Imagine this scenario: You’re only allowed to have an opinion at the election if you’re a party member, and if you’re not a party member you get tortured for eternity. Sounds like “free will” 😂

@Nathan-mf2yz

2 ай бұрын

Who says God has to be fair in showing grace? What’s the definition of the word grace?

@user-lw8dh4nf5w

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherbravo1813 Im just here for someone to prove he exists without bible cases, psychosis or reports that have no ability to be fact checked in even the most shallow ways.

feels like this video was made for you and people in your community to feel better about themselves and their beliefs/stances on things.

@detective2221

2 ай бұрын

No.

Such a shame for you and your channel that Alex O Connor took on your videos lol

@49perfectss

2 ай бұрын

lol he is why I saw this too

@A_Random_Rat

2 ай бұрын

Alex O'Conner responding to this guys is like an NBA player playing against a high school basketball team player

Every christian should watch this as an example of how not to defend your religious beliefs

@mullerpotgieter

3 ай бұрын

Or take a good long look at the core principles of their religion

@nijamkaj

3 ай бұрын

True

@trapidtrap2612

3 ай бұрын

Why though? I mean yeah it was incredibly condenses but he still provided the basic foundation of both the questions and the arguments which can help people explore and debate by using this video and it's points as a foundation to educate themselves.

@shianeruu4359

3 ай бұрын

​@@trapidtrap2612 In some questions he goes more in depth and actually explains in somewhat well. In others, he gives it to the viewer's faith and that's valid since that's part of religion anyway. But for most of the questions, he doesn't answer it and gives something completely far off. So that he doesn't lose to the strawman's arguments, he gives an answer that confuses the strawman and the audience. He relies a lot of fallacies to try to _"make a point"_ _And as a cherry on top, he has drawn himself as the based Chad while the cringe atheist is a soy Wojak. Truly one of the most convincing pieces for Christianity of all time_

@ALRATIONALE17

3 ай бұрын

Watching this was just so frustrating. As a former atheist, I don't think lot of theists understand that many of those in Gen Z know who Jesus is, and admire Jesus, its just the church and its people.

"Gospels have false quotes" "Thats right but we don't know which so we choose to trust all of it" yeah right bro

@koiloylo

Ай бұрын

here’s a bag of candy, some of it is poisoned but you don’t know which ones!!! normal people: don’t eat any of it, this guy: shoves the whole thing in his mouth

Literally in the New Testament it allows slavery Ephesians 6:5 “”Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.“

Alr let me debunk some of this bs. “most murderous people in history were not religious” That is because they came in a time where more people lived. If there were more people living say 500 years ago of course the number would change. Also saying that Hitler was an atheist is BS because even reading into the article itself says that “He also criticized atheism.[5]” “Science only deals with the physical world, and God is outside that natural world” Maybe but he sent his son down to earth, meaning that at least some part of him existed in the physical world, but we haven’t seen that since antiquity, and at most we can prove that he exists, there is a religion named after him and that he beefed with Romans and Jews like Eminem beefs with mumble rappers. “We deserve bad things to happen to us” Then why are people who have done very little other than exist be conquered by others? Look at Poland ever since the partitions. What have they done? At most they built an impressive empire for the standards of the time, yet they get conquered by their neighbours and disappear from the map for more than 100 years and meanwhile germany, Russia, and Austria was just shrunk. Is life unfair? Yes, I am not denying that. But does allowing the poles to be gassed by the thousands and meanwhile the countries that oppressed them get minor border adjustments sound like a good idea? “He can be glorified in defeating it.” Why do you need your populace to glorify you in such a convoluted way? There is a much simpler option: just control the minds of everyone to make them Christian. Saves lives, saves time, saves Jerusalem from being destroyed for the 69420th time. “Romantic experiences can cause brain chemicals, and it doesn’t mean your wife isn’t real” Yeah… no she isn’t. “People who have had nde’s and drug trips say they are different” Ok why are they taking drugs, and also the person never mentioned NDE’s so that point is moot. “Faith just means trust.” I guess that means I have none at all as someone overly paranoid. And you also missed one I have. “If there is a god why is there a need for more than one way to go against that? For example, any religion with multiple gods. Those already exist, why would an atheist patch exist? Most likely you’d be going to hell if those who believe not only In Christianity, but any abrahamic religion are actually correct. Why the need to add extra ways to go against him when you can just choose one and go with it?”

I think, my favorite part about this video are the questions you don't "answer" because of how ridiculous the argument is. I fully support totally ignoring bad ideas, they are merely strawmen and should be torched and ignored. Calling them reddit scholars was a nice touch.

@IridiumAxle

4 ай бұрын

Ignoring them in this video is okay, but it is important to know real answers to those questions because, although they're low hanging fruit, it's the low hanging fruit that's most often eaten by people who don't know better.

@biomuseum6645

4 ай бұрын

my favorite part of the video was when zoomer did: my opinion will be the chad and the big bad atheist will be a beta puny soyjack

@CristiNeagu

4 ай бұрын

It's kinda ironic because this video has several straw man responses.

@Zurasuta

4 ай бұрын

I'm not an atheist nor a redditor so I would've liked quite much if he did replied to those questions to the point where I'm not even sure if this an ironic video.

@refreey

4 ай бұрын

@@IridiumAxle exactly. athiests do believes some of these ideas that from an unbiased perspective are obviously convoluted and stupid but they dont see that, so we must show them rather than just ignore them.

So 40 of the worst arguments answer with weak counter arguments, nice

@davidgjam7600

4 ай бұрын

B-but he's the chad and they're the soyboy!! He can't be wrong!

@miks652pl5

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, and a simple critically thinking man can answer all that. (I did, won’t show you because those people won’t understand)

@ethandalzell8242

4 ай бұрын

Seeing a lot of straw arguments from the atheists

@HyperDriveHub-420

4 ай бұрын

I understand that discussions about the existence of God can be challenging, and perspectives can vary. One specific point you mentioned was about the weakness of the arguments presented. Could you provide an example of a specific argument that you found weak? I'd like to explore it further and see if we can delve into the specifics. Keep in mind that the complexity of theological discussions often involves subjective interpretations, and what might seem weak to one person could be compelling to another."

@miks652pl5

4 ай бұрын

@@HyperDriveHub-420 „Somewhere you are less likely to be Atheist” - No, somewhere you are more likely to be Discriminated as an atheist. „Religious wars are only 10% and it’s mostly Muslim.” - Christian holy wars were still destroying great cities, like Jerusalem, plundering all wealth and often g***ciding all populations.

Your core beliefs may not change as you get older, but you're still gonna look back on this and cringe at yourself regardless. Tangentially related: Hank said that you're not making Christianity better, you're making rock n' roll worse lol

@secularsoldier8585

Ай бұрын

😅

-Depict yourself as a chad and the opposition as a soyjack to show them you're the boss -Pick out the most braindead and irrelevant arguments you could find from atheists on Reddit and twitter -Completely Strawman these arguments to make them even easier to debunk -Fail to debunk half of these arguments - *Atheists Owned*

Im an atheist and i agree that some atheist arguements are not very good, but for some of these I wish to counter your arguements, please keep in mind that I wish to only create peaceful debate. 0:49 this is not a sufficient counter agruement to me, just because something is not disprovable does not mean that it may be likely to be true, I could say that a different god controls the universe and argue for its existance simply by saying you can't prove its not real. 1:02 while these occourances may seem strange, it could be that they were exposed to certain information e.g. languages from films or holidays, which they could then make sence of from some event. They may also recall information from such events, even if they entirely forgotten it. 4:23 If you use the arguement that god was uncaused, why could i not then use that same arguement to say that existance was uncaused? 5:36 I would like some elaboration, but if this is because of Adam and Eve, why should we be punished for what they did? And also why does God sometimes not punish those who have done wrong, but sometimes punish those who have not done wrong? 5:46 This is stating that the idea of good has to come from a god, but evolution could explain how morals are naturally formed, because peoples need to help others leads to more surviving humans, causing our race to survive. 6:25 this says that a triumph over evil is greater than a lack of evil, but personally I believe this to be false, to this day there is so much unnecessary pain that leads to many innocents suffering or dieing. I personally belive that a world without evil would be a better than a world with evil which you need to defeat. 7:25 All these analogies are not the same as faith in God, in all of these examples we have reasons to believe these things, e.g. food would not be harmful because if it were there would be legal trouble for that company and it would harm business, or we can believe that your wife loves you due to previous interactions. 8:23 If there is so much disagreement on the bible, why doesn't god clarify? Wouldn't a all knowing god know that we would misinterpret it and clarify? I am open to discussion and I will be respectful. Also I made sure not to comment on arguements that either I didn't understand, didn't have enough knowledge on, or arguements from atheists that even I think are weak.

@jeppepuus

4 ай бұрын

It all boils down to faith in the end. There is no way to actually prove most of the existential questions plaguing the human mind. An atheist simply refuses to believe any of the theories presented to him, because none of them really make sense. There are holes in every single theory out there, and I can live my life without choosing one. I understand some people have been conditioned into believing certain stories, and this is fine, because stories are a part of the human condition. I also know some people find joy in their faith as some people live in terrible conditions where hope for a good afterlife is all they have. They're simply satisfied with the shortcoming of their theories and chose to have faith, because that makes them happier and more comfortable. I chose not to have faith, because I don't gain anything from it. How the world came to be is not something I can answer and no-one has so far convinced me in any of their arguments. I only believe in science that can be proven, and will not judge if anyone disagrees with me. For if I cannot prove anything myself, who am I to do anything but disagree?

@emuannihilator5774

4 ай бұрын

I too only wish for peaceful debate :). 1. You could say a different god controls the universe, but then that's not really an argument for atheism anymore. 2. True, though the whole argument isn't an argument doesn't directly address God's existence, just one aspect of God's impact; also, God doesn't exclusively work in supernatural ways -- most of the Bible is filled with God empowering people to act, or setting into motion perfectly normal things. 3. I would say that you can explain existence with God. You can't exactly presuppose why anything exists which exists in existence, so you must have some necessary thing (i.e. God) to explain it from outside the set of contingent things. 4. We deserve it because humans are inherently evil, because we all have inherited that evilness from our ancestors. Also, God punishes everyone. 5. Morals can absolutely be naturally formed -- for example, "killing Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and disabled people is good for the Aryan race by removing impurities" was a morality that was formed and genuinely believed to be righteous. In Christianity, God's morality is the most-good morality, though we're still not perfect as humans at following it. 6. Triumph over evil is a greater good in the eyes of God than a lack of evil. Also, I personally think evil is necessary for us humans to overcome otherwise we would always be stuck in the same state forever. If there were no evil, no adversity, why would we ever improve ourselves? 7. You have faith that they care about their business or laws/there isn't some interloper poisoning you. You have faith your wife hasn't stopped loving you/hasn't been pretending/whatever. 8. There is far more agreement than disagreement. Whether churches feature icons of God or not, or how the church is organised doesn't really matter to God so much as belief in the trinity, the resurrection, the nature of God, et cetera. Hope you enjoy reading and discussing.

@azmainfaiak8111

4 ай бұрын

​@@emuannihilator5774human are inherently evil?? what??? Weren't we were given free will?? so if i do not use it to do any bad thing, i am still evil?? then how can God be called Just?? Also child cancer cannot be justified because they have not even able to use their free will.....what do u say about that(sry for my bad English)

@azmainfaiak8111

4 ай бұрын

​@@emuannihilator5774you are saying evil is necessary as if we need to celebrate evil , because anytime anything evil happens that allows us to triumph over it..... in that case is Holocaust a necessary thing for the evolution of mankind as a moral being??? Did God intended to allow Holocaust in the first place for us to understand what is good and bad?? If thats the case, How is this God not a genocidal maniac????

@timothypsina

4 ай бұрын

​@@jeppepuusfaith is a belief in something that cannot be fully proved, so as your truly relationship with your friend or whoever. You don't want to accept God's existence, because being christian is harder than being atheist, so no argument will make you think another way, because all people want easy life and do whatever they want to. So the problem is in you, not in God. The fact is that arguments about faith are useless, because christians know that God is real and atheists know that God is not real. God is about relationships, not about knowledge. You have to try the cake to say if it's tasty or not by yourself, no argument about its taste will make you 100% sure how good or bad it is just for you. Bless you!

As a shameless atheist (or at least agnostic) scumbag who got this video in my recommended, here’s my live rebuttal to the first quarter of the arguments here, as I watch it: 1. This is true, but it’s not a rebuttal against atheism (that God doesn’t exist), it’s a rebuttal against anti-theism (that belief in God is a net negative on society). I don’t think religion is necessarily evil, I just don’t think it’s logically justified. 2. See number 1: I want counterarguments to atheism, not anti-theism. 3. You just completely ignored the point of the argument here, and that a lot of people AREN’T atheist because of birth: they were raised religious, but realized there was no justification for their beliefs when they became an adult. Meanwhile, by far the most common reason for belief in Christianity is because one’s friends and family are Christian: it’s a tradition, not a logically-reasoned belief. 4. Atheists can’t know whether a specific worldview is true, but they can reason it out through logical reasoning and a cause-and-effect approach to morality. Meanwhile, there’s no logical reason why someone would believe in one religion over the other: like I said, it’s a tradition, nothing more. 5. That’s not an explanation, it’s just an excuse: “Well of course you can’t prove that an angry old man created the world, the 2000 year old book I got this information from specifically said no one can prove his existence!” By that logic, you might as well believe in the Tooth Fairy. 6. Do you have any source for the possession claims, other than a book filled with anecdotal evidence from someone who has every reason to lie about this? And the evidence of NDEs being real experiences is, to put it lightly, highly inconsistent: some people seem to accurately remember small details, others don’t even come close. 7. What about the literal factual inconsistencies in the Bible, like how it describes Goliath dying in two completely different ways (a contradiction so egregious that most translations retcon the second death into being Goliath’s brother)? 8. I would take any claims of early Christian knowledge with a massive grain of salt: there is very little evidence that people like St. Ignatius ever actually met the apostles, let alone were able to attest to the Gospels actually being written by them. As it stands, by far the most reliable interpretation of the Gospels is that they were written a few decades to a century after the events they claim to describe, and likely based on at least a couple earlier manuscripts (hence the large amount of near-identical passages). 9. Just because there’s a lot of debate over how the Gospels altered the story of the historical Jesus, that doesn’t mean that the Gospels are a completely factual account of events that actually happened (an idea that’s highly unlikely, to say the least). 10. That’s not proof that Jesus was actually God, it’s just proof that the Gospels wrote Jesus as if he was the son of God. You might as well say that Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook due to being rejected by his girlfriend, when the only evidence of that is how Aaron Sorkin wrote it in The Social Network. I’m gonna stop here: my mobile KZread comment box can’t handle the wall of text I’m writing here, and I honestly don’t have the energy to write any more. Suffice it to say, if these are the brilliant arguments you’re starting off your hypothetical anti-atheist debate with, you need to find better arguments.

@jeppepuus

4 ай бұрын

Can already tell he won't be replying to this one

@Sunlight91

4 ай бұрын

This is a tiktok level video and not an actual scholarly analysis. The claim atheist nations/leaders are the most murderous is insane. Many conflicts in history slaughtered 100% of their enemy. Just because more people existed in the 20th century isn't an argument for a higher rating on the murder scale.

@dw3yn693

4 ай бұрын

This has to be higher up. Regardless of ones own beliefs the debate has to be in good faith with honest arguments instead of cherry-picking and strawmanning

@courtney5312

4 ай бұрын

Fellow atheist/agnostic scumbag here. I think the video and comments agreeing with its viewpoints are enlightening to read, but yeah, it's very hard to prove anything when it seems the two sides are drawing from very different bases of evidence. For instance, for atheists the Bible might not seem like a reliable source of information, while for some theists it might be irrefutable. Add to whether things are literal or metaphorical, and I find it's very hard to remain objective when objectivity itself is defined differently.

@dw3yn693

4 ай бұрын

To 4 i would answer that you are wrong in there being no logical differences in religions. Theology is a real thing and the different branches of religion wager a real debate amongst themselves about who is interpreting the bible right. Wether you think jesus is the messiah or the nature of jesus soul the importance of muhammad and who his rightful successor was etc. it’s not just blind tradition but also a question who has the better arguments for their case and thus the resulting religious beliefs. To 5. Thats just the answer to the argument that science cant proof god. Are you saying he is misrepresenting the argument again ? Because the argument itself is refuted quite well by saying that science concerns and can only concern itself with the already existing material world. It can’t explain its ultimate origin

Religion was created as a natural coping method for our ancestors who couldnt bear the harshness of reality, and the fear of the unknown and death, the ultimate unknown. When suffering and pain is plenty, and hope is desperately needed, religion thrives. Nowadays, thanks to SCIENCE we dont need religion anymore, its time to let the training wheels go. We're better than this.

I don’t think reasoned debate is quite your thing. And ‘medically documented possession’…?!😂

6:27 So the perfect being has a hero complex, great

@I_hate_mortals

4 ай бұрын

God gives you a free will to embrace evil or holiness.

@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel

3 ай бұрын

He’s a Calvinist, he doesn’t believe in free will, that mentality makes God seem narcissistic. Watch impact videos ministries, they have better arguments

@rishiy.8996

3 ай бұрын

then god is an idiot that bases poeples lives around circumstances@@I_hate_mortals

@Lukandon

3 ай бұрын

@@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel Not just narcissistic, but it also makes God into some kind of arbitrary judge who's messing around with His followers (like what's even the point of the gospel, which is supposed to be good news, if God is essentially shooting love/grace arrows at random people at random times?). I hate Calvinist theology, but I love Calvinists, especially when they're actually showing fruits of the Spirit and focusing on the gospel, but their theology will sometimes get in the way of them being kind and loving towards others. Calvinism brings pride and arrogance. It's toxic.

@shianeruu4359

3 ай бұрын

@@I_hate_mortals Free will to choose but only one choice is apparently the *only* correct one while anything is eternal punishment? That's just an illusion of free will

0:12 No one says that 0:24 That is just wrong. Hitler and Mao were religious. Hitler was a Pantheist. Mao spoke against religion in the form of the religious leaders using the faithful, not against god or belief itself. He saved many religious sanctuaries during the revolution, which would've otherwise been destroyed by the mob. 0:33 You completely fail your strawman. I can be/become an atheist anywhere - You can only become a christian where the word of christianity is spread. 0:40 1. Humanism is a religion 2. You don't need faith for a world view - Those are two different things. I don't need faith in anything to be a nihilist. 0:50 Yes, science only deals with stuff that exists... Your point? Science never 'disproves' anything as the burden of proof comes with the claim. Saying god doesn't exist isn't the claim that needs evidence. 1:15 I ain't paying 30€ for that book. 1:25 Okay let's list a couple, maybe you can explain them: How long does gods anger last for? Forever (Jer 17:4) or not forever (Micah 7:18) Were humans created before (Gen 2:18-19) or after (Gen 1:25-27) animals? How much did David pay? 50 (2 Sam 24:24) or 600 (1 Chr 21:25) shekels? 1:39 Another point that no sane human ever brought up as an argument 1:45 Now you just argued against the gospels? Okay? 2:07 Now he did claim that he was god (John 10:30) 2:40 What about James tho? Paul didn't really have anything to do with anything in the beginning. 2:50 As the bible isn't taking a clear stance you can make arguments for both side, but tbh even if the bible allows slavery... It has nothing to do with the argument itself. 3:10 same as before 3:35 Does that make him good? Because he gives and takes life? Idk, it also feels like it's failing the point. 4:00 Yes, people are more likely to become atheists with a higher standard of living. This happens everywhere, not only in christian societies. Also - Those countries aren't atheistic, they just aren't deeply christian and haven't been for hundreds of years. The rise of fall of those nations had nothing to do with their religiousness. 4:20 Well it is a good gotcha if someone is unprepared - But it's not an argument in any form, yes. 4:30 Please explain why. Why is a godly creator more likely than a random event. Mind you, before the big bang there was no such thing as time, so why is something happening in an infinite amount of time less likely than a creator just existing. 4:40 Not sure what morons says this, god is based on faith and science can't disprove faith. That is by definition not possible. Yes, the curiousity about god and nature lead to science. Yes, almost all centers of learning where held by theologians and the church. Doesn't proof anything tho, as it has nothing to do with the argument. 5:15 Why is there a why? Also -> If we don't know something then a lot of people will tell you that it's proof of god. It's always the point we fail to understand (yet) which is used as proof that some greater being (god) must(!) be behind it. 5:27 God is the creator of evil (Is 45:7) I cba to do all of them so from now on I'll just do those I feel like - If anyone takes issue tell me which one specifically to address. 6:08 Funny little thought experiment - But you can do that with science aswell and it's just as funny. It neither proves nor disproves anything. 6:27 Because he created it (Is 45:7) 6:37 Well back in the day you got people in line with fear. A bit more bs that I cba to react to 7:20 Yes, parts (like holidays) were taken from other religions. It helps people ease into it as they already know more about it. It wasn't a 1:1 copy of another religion tho. 7:30 Yes, you're completely right. Who are the idiots claiming that faith is the opposite of logic? It's on two different levels. 7:50 How old is the world? How does it work with such a small amount of time and why did it slow down so extremely? Also how big was Noahs Ark? 8:12 It took over a small part of the empire. One of which was Constantine who made it rather popular in the elite circles of the empire and Theodosius I. who crushed the pagan west and basically forced it to convert after the 394 battle of the frigidus. But yes, Christianity also had a major spread without war. 8:20 I will be honest - I've never heard anyone say this. That just doens't make any sense at all. 8:25 This is also a mood point, the amount of denominations neither proves nor disproves anything. 8:32 Yes, a guy named Jesus existed. Since we are there already... What about his brother? Anyone heard something from James recently? The church seems to have just gone with Paul the Roman after instead of James who was supposed to be the heir of the christian movement. 8:50 Well yes, that is what faith is about. Again anyone seriously trying to use this as an argument is a clown.

@K-05

2 ай бұрын

this guy cooked and left no crumbs

@supermanandbatmanishere

2 ай бұрын

bro your just worng

@dragoncaos7098

2 ай бұрын

@@supermanandbatmanishere Which ones are wrong and why?

@MrAydinminer

2 ай бұрын

@@supermanandbatmanishere insane argument

@supermanandbatmanishere

2 ай бұрын

Islam cuz it hypocritical and teaches forced religion, Judaism because ( jews from before where not like jews now) and the messiah already came to earth they just believe not even tho all evidence supports that Jesus is the messiah, and all the rest are just pagan, @@dragoncaos7098

This left me with more questions than answers, good work

@DR_Sam_YouTube

Ай бұрын

Then ask away

Notice how almost all his answers are questions💀

@johnnygoodman2003

Ай бұрын

Yes

@mattheq9930

Күн бұрын

It really isn’t most of you atheist don’t use your brain and cry in the comments if they don’t understand a simple thing😂😂. Remember this is a 10 minute video kid😂

See, true Atheists will never be douchebags to ask questions like these. I'm Orthodox and have many Atheist friends, there's always so much respect between the two different viewpoints and the desire to learn more about them. People asking questions like these are just losers with nothing going on in their life who wanna make other people bitter, reddit atheists and discord mods.

@aidanya1336

4 ай бұрын

Yup, sadly this is not an atheist (or christian) trait. Its a human one. These things happen on all sides.

@cluckcluckchicken

4 ай бұрын

in real life (outside of reddit), it's the religious extremists who harass people with their annoying recruitment tactics. normie athiests and religious people should team up against the extremists.

@Th3Visitor

4 ай бұрын

Idk what's the reason to disprove the 'arguments' of everyone its really not changing anyone's beliefs in the first place i'm an atheist but my goal isn't to make everyone an atheist but it seems to be the goal of religion based channels..., to convert or convince anyone that thier religion (here Christianity) is the reason of everything that has ever happened.

@CHECommonHumanError

4 ай бұрын

@@Th3Visitor I’m also atheist, but I don’t ever try to proselytize others into being atheists.. I never tried to “argue” about religion because we will literally never know if there is a God, plus my goal is not to tell people “hey I think your religion is wrong”

@tegathemenace

4 ай бұрын

​@@Th3Visitor an act of saving the world. Same with religious folks that try to shove stuff on people. They just care and think they're helping. You are indifferent like me which is what's morally questionable

I have depicted YOU as the soyjack and ME as the chad. Checkmate, atheists!

@SundaeExpress

2 ай бұрын

OK, Cletus 🙄

@littlemoth4956

2 ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpresslmao did you like your own comment

@SundaeExpress

2 ай бұрын

@@littlemoth4956 No but you did.

@niyah000

2 ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpresslol liked his own comment 20 times

@SundaeExpress

2 ай бұрын

@@niyah000 Yeah, imagine if there were such a thing as sock accounts that could make that possible! Oh... wait

One thing that I continue to notice is the apparent difference in the intellectual quality of most "apologists" and their way of thinking vs. the atheist proponents that I listen to. Redeemed Zoomer's endeavor to summarily dismiss serious atheist challenges to the Christian faith with what amounts to apologetic one-liners betrays a shocking level of arrogance and (as Alex points out repeatedly) ignorance. Redeemed Zoomer gets a failing grade for this simplistic and disrespectful presentation. He has definitely not helped enhance the image of Christian apologetics in my opinion.

as an atheist i guarantee i can make a better debate for why god is real. especially when it comes to this: “Why can’t God destroy evil?” because who is to say what is evil and what isn't? dying, suffering or anything else we percieve as negative might be for the greater good, maybe we are not capable of understanding beyond ''this feels good, this feels bad'' and so on. Nothing is good or bad, shit i realise that while im trying to defend gods existant im kinda going against it since god created hell for bad people and heaven for good people, well i guess its impossible to defend something made up by the church to make extra money and manipulate people n gain political power “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” we as humans are not capable of seeing beyond our own suffering, or others suffering, only god is able to see the bigger picture, in the end we cannot feel good in absence of suffering.

Love the attention to detail in the video title! It implicitly acknowledges that while it dors contains "answers", they aren't necessarily good, accurate, or convincing.

@ttthecat

3 ай бұрын

Exactly! I honestly feel a bit bad for him because he thinks he gave bulletproof responses here. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... and a sad thing.

@claude7538

3 ай бұрын

doubting is a big part of anything

@User19086

3 ай бұрын

You're right, a pretty honest title.

@kevkuehnertskuelerkuehlschrank

3 ай бұрын

@@cheifdonkey149 but the brief answers are worse than the already bad arguments lol

@GamePlayMetal

2 ай бұрын

@@cheifdonkey149 No, they're not. They're horrendous.