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@Leszek.Rzepecki

3 ай бұрын

I think the underlying problem with the Tureks of the world is that they are resolutely wedded to the notion of an eternal soul that is the real seat of human personality, feelings and thoughts, and they deny agency to the real biological factors that determine them, and have have influence during both embryological maturation and post-natal development. So to me - I'm a cis gay male for context - it comes as no surprise that brains can be feminised or masculinised during development in ways opposite to the rest of the body. It doesn't surprise me either that just as you can get inttesexed individuals with respect to somatic genitalia, primary or secondary, you can get a mix of brain sexualisation. A lot of sex happens between the ears, after al Until the Tureks accept these biological determinants, rather than their unspecified, vague and foggy notion of souls, they are never going to have a hope of understanding what they are dealing with, and will continue to harm LGBTQ+ folk.

@NinjaMastor

3 ай бұрын

the one thing in you vid I disagree w/ is the thing about hrt for kids. it does happen & its actually good, long term puberty blockers use can cause issues. long term puberty blocker use is just a way to appease cis people who don't want to accept the kid is trans so they make them hold off. its not actually a good thing vs starting hrt

@unyu-cyberstorm64

3 ай бұрын

@@NinjaMastorissues like living longer yes.

@noel.gonsalves

3 ай бұрын

Hey Drew, I think you mixed up Seth Dillon (the Babylon Bee guy) with Seth McFarlane (the guy speaking to Bill Maher at 1:10:46) I'm not sure about any of McFarlane's political views but he definitely wasn't the target of your jibe. I'm not sure if you've already addressed this error in another comment, so I thought I'd point it out. Thanks for the video btw. I had already shared your excerpt of it from last week with my enby partner and it definitely gave us some talking points against transphobes we might encounter.

@aaad3552

3 ай бұрын

I like how you just ignore the the biggest influencial speaker of those subjects jordan peterson in a video talking about them. I just dont trust modern collage and journalism man.

If homosexual friends of mine only hung out with me because they wanted to convert me out of heterosexuality, I would be horrified. Telling Christian straight kids to befriend people in order to make them straight is so messed up.

@blootooth00

3 ай бұрын

This point honestly does not get talked about enough. We talk about how it's rude or persecutory when Christians constantly try to convert others, but we do not speak enough on the trauma associated with fake friendships based on conversion. I hate evangelical behavior like putting up road signs that say: "if you die today, where will you go." That kind of thing is ugly, rhetorically bankrupt, and obnoxious, but at least i can drive past it. But you know what actually has left me with deep trauma? The amount of friends I have had that saw me as some sort of conversion project (bear in mind I was already Christian), strung me along for my entire adolescence under the guise of close friendship, but obviously didn't know or care deeply about me. This was my entire youth group. And the fact of the matter is, when a church doesn't want you anymore, it's not a separation by tears and pain and grief, it's a soulless disbarment of a group against an individual who they feel no longer deserves their love. It's disgusting. And even further, if the "friend" felt and took pride in having been your "shepherd", expect anger and lashing out whenever they feel you're straying from their path. At least when I love and show compassion for people as an atheist, it is unconditional and driven from a desire to benefit the lives of others, not a mechanism of my pride and savior complex.

@isaacblanchard7598

3 ай бұрын

Wait, you don’t know that’s the entire reason queers hang out with cishets? We’re always working on the agenda.

@fishboy3612

3 ай бұрын

@@blootooth00ya when you see a person as a project, and you are saying you have a relationship with them you misunderstand what a relationship is.

@SofieSybella

3 ай бұрын

Befriending someone just to try to change them sounds a lot like abuse…

@blootooth00

3 ай бұрын

@SofieSybella Oh, it definitely is, and I didn't even get into specifics of the relationship dynamics. But it is painfully common. I've been approached many times to start those kinds of "friendships" and have had the good judgement to not engage. But the ones that you don't see coming are the ones that are truly abusive. It's caused me a massive amount of difficulty in forming genuine connections as an adult, because it is a deep invasion amd perversion of trust.

I actually laughed out loud when he said , "Now Christians are being treated poorly." The neverending persecution complex of Christians when they are the dominant religion in the US, occupy basically every level of government, and are only being asked to not discriminate is ridiculous and laughable.

@qa377

3 ай бұрын

I mean it says they'll be persecuted in their holy book, so it must be true!

@RookS-nf4nm

3 ай бұрын

When you're used to privilege, equality is oppression.

@mahatmarandy5977

3 ай бұрын

Christians are certainly *not* being persecuted in the US. However, to be fair, there actually *are* Christians being persecuted elsewhere. China, Iran, North Korea, some places in Africa, etc. We tend to assume that since people aren’t being persecuted *here,* they’re not being persecuted anywhere, and, unfortunately, that’s not the case. Don’t take my word for it, *I* wouldn’t take my word on it, but you can check the UN and Amnesty International and various other secular sources.

@dusty52267

3 ай бұрын

@@mahatmarandy5977 I'm an atheist and I think this is a fantastic comment. Provides context and reason. Well done.

@Assaultstan

3 ай бұрын

But sometimes someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas"! 😰

My mere existence disproves the argument of "I've never met a lesbian who wasn't abused".

@pedromonteiro1695

2 ай бұрын

He said he never met. Have u met him ?

@ExtraVictory

2 ай бұрын

​@@pedromonteiro1695he did say "never met" so he in particular wasnt disproved by this, but it is evidence that might make someone think twice if they believe everyone gay was abused

@pedromonteiro1695

2 ай бұрын

@@ExtraVictory I didn’t say otherwise. People is this line of work are very careful with their words.

@melodyonrepeat2928

2 ай бұрын

Same!

@salorarainriver7278

2 ай бұрын

Me, a lesbian who was also never sexually abused: yea mood

I absolutely love the phrasing of "disagree" in terms of homosexuality. Guy: I'm a homosexual. Christian: Nah, I disagree.

@HungryWarden

2 ай бұрын

I disagree that they disagree.

@penutpickle5437

2 ай бұрын

@@HungryWarden Sorry, I completely disagree.

@HungryWarden

2 ай бұрын

@@penutpickle5437 To elaborate, I meant I disagree that they can disagree with a fact.

@magicrectangleEnt

2 ай бұрын

Glad some people find it funny or amusing, I can really only find it terrifying. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. That includes when their answer to a piece of information as simple as you disclosing your sexuality is “No. I have supplanted my answer for what you believe you are onto yourself preemptively, and you may not now have your ability to describe yourself back.”

@penutpickle5437

2 ай бұрын

Maybe we should start using this in the other direction. Guy: I'm a Christian. Other guy: Nah. I disagree.

"stop punching me" "But my God told me to" "I don't think that's true, but either way, stop punching me" *Continues punching* "but what's your moral standard, hmm?"

@fishboy3612

3 ай бұрын

“Is it intrinsically wrong for me to punch you?” “No but you should stop” “A book/person told me it was intrinsically moral for me to punch you so no”

@nicked_fenyx

3 ай бұрын

"My friend at Starbucks told me punching people like you actually helps you." "It doesn't. It actually hurts. A lot." "That's your interpretation of the situation." "...please stop."

@grunklesam787

3 ай бұрын

@@fishboy3612 "But there's no way me punching you could be wrong without my God existing. So by telling me to stop punching you, you're saying that God is real."

@Amethyst.

3 ай бұрын

words is NOT violence buddy.

@emmanuel1337

3 ай бұрын

​@@Amethyst. Depends on how you're defining the term, but if you take it to strictly be physical harm, then words can still very, very easily lead to it.

Turek empathizes with LGBTQ people and their struggle. All while making their struggle necessary, all by himself.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

3 ай бұрын

The classic: “Convince people they’re sick and then sell them the cure.”

@MantasticHams

3 ай бұрын

Okay maybe this is a borderline cringe response, not sure i even agree with it but to play devils advocate i'll say it aloud anyway: Perhaps its easy for him to rationalize that type of behavior when it matches how he views his "Loving creator" He's had to really do some Mental Gymnastics to get to a kind of sadistic conception of love, and so now the mental muscles in his mental limbs are just absolutely jacked, so he can jump the mental hurdles like an absolute madman. Anyways i had a bit of fun with the imagery there lol, but to make it simple my point is he's mimicking the behavior of an all-living god who also wants everyone to suffer. Art imitates life imitates art imitates life imitates...

@Callimo

3 ай бұрын

​@MantasticHams I mean, you may have something there. Turek's idea of "love" and "justice" might be majorly fucked and so, he probably can't (or refuses to see) the harm that those ideals cause. He's probably rationalized a lot of bullshit because he has such a narrow view of what life is anyways. So basically, this guy could say a lot of messed up shit and any pushback gets a "whoa whoa whoa, I meant that in love!"

@ChristopherSadlowski

3 ай бұрын

​@@MantasticHams interesting hypothesis. You should be a scientist! I mean, that's a lot of work, so if you don't want to go through all the hoops to be a scientist you should pass this idea onto someone who does social research.

@presentfuture7563

3 ай бұрын

@@MantasticHams No, that's absolutely the case. Although I usually say that they've twisted themselves into pretzels so often to justify God's so-called love that they've become permanently twisted.

I am gay. I denied it most of my life because the thought was profoundly terrifying. I didn't want to be "different". Different is scary. I was filled with intense self-loathing, and prone to self-destructive behaviors. I experienced an extreme lack of motivation, intense social anxiety, and had many intense anger outbursts. I was so fundamentally unhappy that I was completely unfunctional as an adult. Eventually, I realized something had to change. I came to terms with who I am. I told my whole family. I sought therapy to reaffirm things I already knew about myself. I can't say I'm doing perfectly these days, but I've come a long way. I am happy. I applied myself in school and now have a BS in Computer Science. (Still looking for that job, though...) I'm on great terms with my family, and am extremely happy with my SO. I no longer self-harm. I spend most days trying to better myself. People that believe I just need to "repress" who I am can kindly piss off. I already tried that and was borderline suicidal because of it. No thanks.

@jelyme6051

2 ай бұрын

Hey, sorry to hear that. I think Christians who say that you should repress sin are wrong, repressing only pushes it into the wrong places. What Christians should teach is how sin is something that you can let go of. In the case of being gay, putting it away doesn't help you. Just like hiding an addiction doesn't help you. So be openly gay, but as a Christian, I am called to acknowledge my own sin. The ways I live my life that breaks God's heart. I can't expect someone who doesn't know Jesus like I do to do the same, so I won't and I don't. If you want to know Jesus that's great but if you don't, only Jesus can change that. Know that Jesus never condemned the ignorant sinners only the religious sinners who should have known better. So if a Christian is ever hating, ask them who Jesus died for, and whether they still do their sins. Have a good day!

@Tellezeus78

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this, i appreciate it. Your words will help some of us understand better. Stay hard peppermint 🤘

@peppermint7152

2 ай бұрын

@@m00sing I think everyone needs love and support. I don't understand the question.

@asayake1

2 ай бұрын

i can relate a lot to your story, i share a similar experience. great work on overcoming as much as you have and i wish you success in finding a job and your journey of self acceptance.

@user-on8wv2mp2c

2 ай бұрын

Im sorry

It's always been obvious to me that you can't choose your sexuality. I know because I'm straight and no matter the circumstance, I've never been able to find men sexually arousing. I'm straight and I can't change that. I feel like the fact that so many people think you _can_ change your sexuality--points to bisexuality being much more common than we think. There must be a lot of bisexual Christians--otherwise how could they believe such a silly thing?

@SparklyCoconut-le3fu

2 ай бұрын

Oh are you saying you have empathy? Not that woke garbage again.

@Wolf-ln1ml

2 ай бұрын

@@m00sing Ever heard of charitable listening? You must have, because you're doing the *_exact_* oppposite here...

@NoneAvailable592

2 ай бұрын

Sexuality is very obviously part nature and part nurture.

@Wolf-ln1ml

2 ай бұрын

@@NoneAvailable592 Found someone else who is neither a 1 nor a 7 on the Kinsey scale - i.e. someone who is to _some_ degree bisexual.

@NoneAvailable592

2 ай бұрын

If it feels better to make you say this then go ahead. Why do you think 1/4th of USA youth now identify as LGBTQ? No societal influence on that? @@Wolf-ln1ml

"why is murder wrong?" Do I want get murdered? No? So why would I want to go murder other people? "How do you base morality?" Compassion, empathy and the golden rule. Treat other people as I would want to be treated. "Isn't that subjective?" Yes it is, it always has been. The magic book isn't even consistent either. Society works pretty damn good without it.

@JD-wu5pf

3 ай бұрын

Also, it really isn't THAT subjective. Most people have the same sense of morality, i.e, the golden rule. This is why dehumanizing a group of people is the first step in committing an atrocity. Because everyone knows, deep down, that you shouldn't treat humans that way. But if they aren't humans, then it's easier to rationalize. Most disagreements of morality don't come down to disagreements about the core tenant (maximizing human flourishing while minimizing human suffering), it's a disagreement on which actions best lead to that desired outcome.

@ikaro342

3 ай бұрын

And like, expanding the first one: Would I have a good time or a bad time if someone close to me is murdered? Therefore, would I inflict those feelings upon others? Compassion is one of the things that separate us from many animals, renouncing it as if it came from a divinity is extremely dehumanizing.

@LineOfThy

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-wu5pf The golden rule isn't completely objective either. If you're a masochist, does that mean you're allowed to hurt others?

@justsomerandomhomie1794

3 ай бұрын

The basis of Morality seems to be sort of objective.

@nicked_fenyx

3 ай бұрын

​@@LineOfThy I get your point and generally agree, but your masochist example is a bit flawed. If someone is a true masochist and enjoys physical pain, for example, the golden rule would be to treat others in a way that they also enjoy. Which, unless those other people also happen to be masochists who've given consent, would not include inflicting pain on them. To put it in another context, the golden rule doesn't suggest I force every guest in my home to eat chocolate cake with crackers just because I find it delicious. It instead suggests I offer guests the types of food that they enjoy eating, because I myself enjoy eating food I find delicious.

When Christians say _"why is it wrong to hurt people if there isn't a god who will punish you for it"_ it's so disturbing

@KateCat420

3 ай бұрын

I don't trust anyone that needs a supernatural being to explain the difference between good and wrong to them

@TheNukedNacho

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that argument implies that they're severely lacking in compassion, and are instead operating out of fear of punishment instead.

@CaleBradley

3 ай бұрын

No. We are explaining where the standard comes from. Not that we need God in order to behave kindly. Just explaining that atheist’s don’t provide a good reason for its fundamental existence as a law in nature. Christians also don’t operate out of fear of God. We operate out of Love for God and for others. God bless.

@SomeoneOnlyWeKnow.

3 ай бұрын

@@CaleBradley Atheists aren't a single group which believe the same thing. But personally, I don't like causing people suffering because I can imagine experiencing suffering myself and recognise that other people are also people just like me. If you don't need god to tell you what things are good and bad, how do you know the standard comes from god? _"Fundamental existence as a law in nature"_ - I'm not sure what you mean by this. It's not a fundamental law of nature. And by nature, do you mean in the universe itself or in biology and life? In life it's really quite simple, a species that cooperates and supports eachother is able to outcompete a species which does the opposite in many environments. That's where these things come from evolutionarily. I see no reason to believe there is some kind of universal standard of what is right or wrong, we as people and a society collectively decide what that is and everyone individually has their own ideas.

@mortalearthbound

2 ай бұрын

They're basically admitting that they would do all of these awful things if they didn't think god existed.

Frank Turek is what happens when "there is no hate like Christian love" turns into a person.

"There is no objective moral standard without god" pisses me off so much.

@thexphial

2 ай бұрын

I was taught this bullshit as a teen, and it's incredibly damaging to believe that the only good in the world is from a supernatural source outside yourself.

@paulcleary8088

2 ай бұрын

To which I would argue "There is no such thing as objective morality." We, as a society, can get as close to objective morality on many issues, but there are ALWAYS caveats.

@NoneAvailable592

2 ай бұрын

It's true though. Almost all serious atheist thinkers agree? Even jokers like Sam Harris don't argue for objective morality without God anymore.

@user-we5rg9bn1b

2 ай бұрын

@@NoneAvailable592 True in the sense that it's by definition not objective, not true in the sense that it's not a valid moral system which is what this hack is implying.

@NoneAvailable592

2 ай бұрын

No. The "hack" is making the objective morality argument. Which is that we internally know certain things are objectively wrong, but in a worldview without God there is no objective morality. It's an argument that has been used for a long time, for the longest atheist argued that objective morality did exist before moving onto your argument. @@user-we5rg9bn1b

“I’m being treated poorly for treating people poorly! 😡“

@pufffincrazy5275

3 ай бұрын

You’re violating my religious freedom to violate other people’s human rights!

@chronic_payne5669

3 ай бұрын

So I’m the victim, I’m being persecuted.

@silvercloud1641

3 ай бұрын

@@pufffincrazy5275 Misusing freedom of religion. While ignoring "all are created equal" and "separation of church and state." /Religious conservatives "under attack." Anyone on the left trying to ban straight marriage?

@silvercloud1641

3 ай бұрын

@@chronic_payne5669 Anyone on the left trying to ban straight marriages?

@Leafsdude

3 ай бұрын

"I'm being treated poorly for treating people poorly. Let me treat people poorly in peace! Stop being such a hypocrite!" FIFY.

Things to believe your friend who works at Starbucks told you: -they’re having a sale next week -they’re discontinuing the pumpkin spice latte tomorrow Things to DOUBT your friend who works at Starbucks about: -every lgbt person ever was the result of childhood SA I don’t understand why Frank thinks Starbucks employees know everything about every lgbt person ever. Maybe he just has no respect for the intelligence levels of his audience.

@noodlekeeper5150

3 ай бұрын

She's on his board or something. He mentioned that at the very beginning. Still doesn't give her credibility on LGBT issues

@vik4416

3 ай бұрын

this is why i only take my moral guidance from people on the bus. admittedly on my way to starbucks, but do note the distinction.

@watcher235711

3 ай бұрын

Another point...why are there so many abused people in their church? It seems like a Bad Place.

@jaybirdsgames

3 ай бұрын

I remember almost outing myself on facebook because someone shared a video that claimed that every bi woman had an absent/abusive father. I desperately wanted to tell them about how great my relationship with my dad was even though it would out me to my entire homophobic extended family.

@whysocurious7366

3 ай бұрын

@@jaybirdsgamesthat’s interesting.. I wonder how many anti-lgbt folks have closeted friends/family that they will NEVER be trusted by..

"Transphobia is a social media contagion" is something I would wear on a t-shirt.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

2 ай бұрын

I honestly want to make that

@HoldMyCheerwine

2 ай бұрын

​@@GeneticallyModifiedSkepticplease dont

@Leafsdude

2 ай бұрын

@@m00sing Your assurances are entirely empty. Talk to any right wing nut job who thinks TGs are going to invade women's bathrooms and use it to prey on little girls and see how not scared they are.

@nitzanshu4695

2 ай бұрын

​@@HoldMyCheerwine Please do

@JamieNoah638

2 ай бұрын

​@@m00singwell transphobes do keep claiming that they get scared of trans women in the women's bathroom... So you're really just wrong. Also you should look up what phobia means, since you clearly don't know what it means.

I mean this in the most serious way possible. Shout out to all my gay homies. You are loved and I appreciate you for existing.

@mesworld1350

3 ай бұрын

W

@thedave1771

2 ай бұрын

Preach it!

@Muhulali

2 ай бұрын

Thank you from a Bisexual homie

@nitzanshu4695

2 ай бұрын

​@@Muhulali as another bisexual rando I join in on this

@IUseRandomPfps

2 ай бұрын

Fuckin preach!

I am gay. I have known since I was 7. I was never sexually abused until later on in life way after I had come out. I was 23 and was drunk and high. But that had nothing to do with it. My partner never has either and he had a wonderful childhood. This is a load of crap this idea it's because of trauma. The only trauma I have had was in the Christian church. Praying everyday to not be gay and being told I was an abomination. That's what drove me to numb with drugs and alcohol. I am agnostic now and much happier.

@DrachenGothik666

3 ай бұрын

I'm sorry you went through that. Religion ruins everything, including people's lives. **HUGS**

@Sam1D28

3 ай бұрын

Same. I came out long before my trauma. I knew I was gay (lesbian) before I got catcalled for the first time (I was 11 when I realised I was gay and 12 when catcalled). I am so angry that people still, in 2024, claim that being gay (or any other type of queer) is a trauma response.

@greg-op2jh

3 ай бұрын

​@@DrachenGothik666❤❤thank you love

@greg-op2jh

3 ай бұрын

​@@Sam1D28it's ridiculous

@thekinglymidas

3 ай бұрын

this is terrible, i’m so sorry you had to endure not only religious abuse but sexual abuse that people keep saying is the reason you are who you are. it’s sickening and i couldn’t even begin to imagine the toll it took on you, i’m glad you’re happier now. have a great day

As a now-agnostic trans girl who grew up in the Church of Christ in Texas... I needed this. Thank you so much. ❤🏳️‍⚧️

@mothgirl326

3 ай бұрын

🏳️‍⚧️❤️

@sassylittleprophet

3 ай бұрын

I'm an atheist non-binary witch who was raised in (and left) the Independent Fundamental Baptist cult. I hear you 💛🤍💜🖤🏳️‍⚧️

@marknieuweboer8099

3 ай бұрын

I am as straight as an arrow, plus white and male, and wish folks like you (plural) all the strength you need against extremists like Turek. Unfortunately I know some unbelievers are as bigot.

@radualexa1356

3 ай бұрын

I couldn't even imagine the disgusting experience of the puritan church of America. I am an atheist living in Italy and I don't see people who attack gay people, but not much, because more and more people are becoming atheists. I can't say I hear you because that's alien to me, but I do not lack compassion and I wish you best

@leopardsun

3 ай бұрын

Fellow agnostic trans girl here. Stay strong out there sister ✊️🏳️‍⚧️

I am an ex-evangelical, now a secular humanist. I also have a transgender daughter. (She has transitioned, had her surgery and is now crushing it in life). This video was gold. Thank you for all the research you did to make this cohesive. Thanks also for informing us that the humanist/agnostic/atheist world needs to improve our compassion as well.

@myinfo9406

2 ай бұрын

This is amazing I love seeing people come out the other side. So happy your daughter is thriving and it really warms my heart how proud you are of her crushing it in life :)

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

Notice you use trans. Jeez what a boy

@808yuri

24 күн бұрын

Your daughter is so lucky to have such an awesomene parent like you!

@StopBullyingMe-rf9js

12 күн бұрын

@@808yuri hes no parent, his child was dealt cards but has cheated , he had a daughter, now he has a son ???,sorry but people can not change their sex , its his son, not daughter, i am white, i can not be black,you need help

@808yuri

12 күн бұрын

@@StopBullyingMe-rf9js with that username I'm surprised you're bullying three people at the same time lol

"People choose to be gay." If someone makes this claim, they are, in fact, claiming that everyone is born heterosexual, and then just choosing, to not only abstain from a romantic or sexual relationship with the sex they are truly attracted to, but then going a step further and actually engaging in sex and romance with the sex that they would find naturally repulsive. Why in the world would anyone do such a thing?

When he said he didn’t know a lesbian who wasn’t abused, it just shows how few lesbians he knows. Immoral people like him don’t care about queer people, they want to live in their fantasy world we don’t exist. As a trans person who had a good and supportive childhood, outside of being lied to about god and gaslit into denying who I am, I’m not trans because of mistreatment as a child, I’m trans and was different so my experience was not that of average cis people.

@cyclesofstrength

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. Anecdotes are NOT evidence, but if you are hearing that a lot of women are being abused, maybe it should highlight how often afab people (cis and genderqueer folk) have been abused (statistically by cis men). Hearing his bad anecdotal "evidence" only reminded me that afab and different gendered people in general are more likely to experience harm. Maybe it's a bad take, let me know if it is.

@ettaetta439

3 ай бұрын

Even ignoring the fact that lesbians who were never abused exist, the rate of women getting SA'ed is so high. Him not knowing a lesbian who wasn't abused is not a feature of lesbians, it's a feature of systemic abuse of women, particularly female children, that churches continue to promote. Really shows his lack of intelligence and critical thinking.

@iwkaoy8758

3 ай бұрын

I'm curious, dew you no inn knee gay trans pea pole? Example - a lesbian Woman born inn Amens body ore a straight man born inn a womens body?

@kyleinthejar6829

3 ай бұрын

It also revealed how little about women and their struggle he knows. The majority of sexual violence is against women. Within the lgbt community, multiple studies indicate that lgbt individuals are at an increased risk of sexual violence compared to their heterosexual, cisgender counterparts. But even so, statically afab members of the lgbt community face the most amount of sexual violence compared to amab members. Notice a pattern? Women are more likely to be victimized, regardless of their orientation. To single out lesbians in this conversation is moronic, and is just another example of this man divorcing real scientific findings of their original context just to suit his own narrative.

@bluegum6438

3 ай бұрын

Sadly, it's actually very common to have been SA'd at some point in your life, so if it made people queer there would be a lot more queer people

"My [Pastor] friend befriends these little girls" leaves a VERY bitter taste in my mouth.

@katherineg9396

3 ай бұрын

That made my skin crawl.

@UtahSustainGardening

3 ай бұрын

And he clearly didn't want to name his friend! Very creepy....

@nuclearpancake3683

3 ай бұрын

Uh oh-

@eoghanclark165

3 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing...

@jenndieringer1281

2 ай бұрын

Glad I wasn't the only one very creeped out by that!

"Hey, you're doing bad things!" "But what really is... bad?" That's a bit of a red flag right there...

@Theo_Skeptomai

2 ай бұрын

Do you mean "immoral"?

@S.D.323

Ай бұрын

bad = unnecessarily harming people or other sentient life forms

If the only thing that prevents you from killing/torturing people is the fear of hell, then you’re not a good person. 💁🏼‍♀️

@jerryloverice1598

Ай бұрын

It’s not even that, it’s the value based on what a human is, a person created in the image of God equal to all other humans so by that standard hurting them is very wrong

@jesuscaresaboutyou100

24 күн бұрын

It’s love for God, that would want you to be good and loving to everyone you meet.

@digitalxlioness

23 күн бұрын

The worst part about this is the doctrine of total depravity: some of the more fundamental Christians would take the above comment and would basically say “Yeah, exactly. None are good without God.” Such doctrine has really damaged my sense of self-worth.

@jerryloverice1598

23 күн бұрын

@@digitalxlioness then you misunderstand it, it doesn’t mean “none are good” what the doctrine is saying as much as we are good we are also evil, everyone regardless of how good of a person does damage to other people and themselves sometimes on a huge scale that is why the doctrine of Jesus is so important not because we have no good but because we have a readiness to do bad

@digitalxlioness

23 күн бұрын

@@jerryloverice1598 Yeah, no. I’m not misunderstanding anything. The very definition of depraved is immoral, or wicked. So it means exactly what I said. I appreciate the feedback, but I know what I’m talking about.

Thanks for taking up this issue again! I was still an evangelical christian when my younger child announced to me that "she" was actually "he." We resisted this idea for TWO YEARS...prayer, therapy, debates...whatever else it was, it was not a "fad" nor a "sudden onset" even if it seemed that way to us surprised parents. We finally accepted our child's insistence and supported the transition...the turnaround in mental health, happiness, and confidence was and is profound. That was five years ago. We got our kid back...and that means more to me than ten thousand bibles.

@robertcarsten4050

3 ай бұрын

Literally tearing up over here. It takes a strong person to accept new information, realize they may be wrong, and really put in the work the think and change. It's so common to see repugnant ideas lobbed from parents to their children that don't conform for one reason or another. It might not have been a smooth road to the destination, but I think your story is beautiful and so very human

@njhoepner

3 ай бұрын

@@robertcarsten4050 It wasn't easy. My son was persistent. About all I can say for my wife and I is that we never accepted the idea of parents disowning children.

@MK-uz4mo

3 ай бұрын

How old is that child of yours? She sounds very young.

@alarcon99

3 ай бұрын

@@MK-uz4moyou mean his SON, you troll

@potatopitoto3301

3 ай бұрын

@@alarcon99they mean he*. they said child unless they edited it.

I can't stand listening to Turek recount stories about violence against non-straight people, apparently believing he is modeling empathy and compassion. He tries to make them personal. And then he turns around and says the victims' sexual behavior is wrong because God says it's wrong. Turek is disgusting. His behavior is cold, sociopathic. It makes it almost impossible for me to get through this video.

@Neurodivergent_RN

3 ай бұрын

It's part of their trick - acting like they are being caring, while belittling and infanticizing trans people. It makes my stomach turn.

@whysocurious7366

3 ай бұрын

Turek has a lot of blood on his hands.

@fishboy3612

3 ай бұрын

What he was just using empathy towards the people that he is causing the problem for to convince people of his argument? What’s so wrong with weaponizing empathy and using bed evidence?

@marcdc6809

3 ай бұрын

Turek has a pHd on 'making it up as he goes along' he got very badly Hitchslapped in the days...

@herbevans2727

3 ай бұрын

Turek disgusts me more every time I hear him talk.

my sibling was one of Dr. Zucker's patients, another factor not considered, is that Zucker's conversion therapy caused people to go deeply into the closet. My sibling is in therapy now because of the damage done by the therapy. My best friend who was also a patient of the clinic, took his own life in 2018 after suffering from PTSD that originated with the "treatment". It isn't simply misdiagnosis, it was the hubris of the doctors not understanding the harm they were doing to those kids.

@evan_j

2 ай бұрын

My deepest condolences on both of your losses.

I love how he just goes "why is is bad to murder" like he wouldn't want to be murdered, and therefore would understand that most people feel the same.

@user-wf7sl7sw8k

2 ай бұрын

Most people don't. That's why we have wars, collateral damage to civilians, police violence crisis abd are on blink of nuclear war. Not supporting killing or as we call it collateral damage is insanely hard.

@Nick-Nasti

2 ай бұрын

“Murder” is a legal term for unjustified killing. By definition it is immoral. That’s is why it is wrong. Did he mean “why is killing a human eating?” That’s a different story and subject to context.

@EnigmaFox-qr2fw

2 ай бұрын

😂.. I guess Turek seems to think going to heaven is so amazing, that he'll go to heaven if he gets killed by a person. I guess he kinda makes sense. (?) Going to heaven kinda early would seem kinda fun.. too bad . Heaven's not real..

“Christians are being harmed as well! Your necks are hurting our boots! Stop fighting!”

@synthetic240

3 ай бұрын

"Don't tell the people who are trying to legislate you out of existence or even into being criminals that they're evil bigots. We have feelings too!"

@tracey9888

3 ай бұрын

​@@synthetic240 have you taken your German lessons today.

@synthetic240

3 ай бұрын

@@tracey9888 Have you taken your Russian lessons today?

@nicolasandre9886

3 ай бұрын

When we'll see LGBTQ people forcing christians into religious deconversion therapy, I'll start worrying for those poor believers.

Who in heck would ever think that coming out as trans would be an attempt to fit in?! I can promise you as soon as my daughter came out we were very aware that we would get pushed to the margins of society. That's not fitting in. People didn't applaud her here in Alabama for sure. That paragraph was the biggest bunch of BS claims I might have ever heard concerning transgenderism. No, my daughter was never sexually assaulted nor did she have any unique traumas in her childhood nor did she have any reason to want to 'stick it' to her parents. And I can name other families who would say that same. How insipid that whole statement was is stunning to me.

@JD-wu5pf

3 ай бұрын

Sometimes I wish I were trans or gay, because it would help me win internet fights and connect more with my peers (gay, witchy leftists).

@attackofveganpotatoes1074

3 ай бұрын

It’s a ridiculous argument only topped by people who claim that “gay teens are *encouraged* to become trans” (often used by TERFs/“LGB” supporters about trans men). Because *apparently* trans people are more accepted than gay people in our society????? Completely anecdotal but never in my life have I met a person who’s homophobic but just cool with trans people. It makes no sense.

@falcon_arkaig

3 ай бұрын

Tbh the only way me, a trans guy, can fit in is just to not come out to a whole lot of people. These people who say trans people only come out to fit in are delusional and think every trans person lives in a leftist trans affirming utopia

@CorwinFound

3 ай бұрын

Trans guy here. As many best wishes as I can send to your daughter, you, and your family. I dealt with backlash coming out at 45. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for a young person. Thank you for being a supportive parent! That choice has a huge and lifelong impact for your child.

@davidbritnn

3 ай бұрын

@@CorwinFound Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated.

If the only thing keeping a person good is the expectation of some divine reward, than brother, that person is a piece of crap.

@CassilovesMocha

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! It also makes me think of the whole Christian concept, of asking God for forgiveness too. They think as long as you do, then all your sins are forgiven and you are still heaven-bound. Like what? How is THAT morality?

@papiderpy

22 күн бұрын

@@CassilovesMocha you wrong somebody on earth, you then start praying for forgiveness to god. thats so disconnected, like dude ask for forgiveness from the person you wronged lol. you can be the worst person on earth, but as long as you ask forgiveness in the end, its fine. H*tler could literally be in heaven right now. insanity. and also the idea that you can be gatekept out of heaven, if you're a moral person who devoted their life to good, but didnt recognize god. "look whose going to hell haha!".

As a now atheist trans girl who was raised in a baptist household, thank you. Genuinely thank you. You’re so calm and actually put real facts and common sense into this. And you’re just so fun to watch and I hope you have a bright future and become a more recognized figure than those of bs conservatives on tv.

Here's how you beat Turek. Turek: "may I ask you a question?" You: "first answer mine."

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

3 ай бұрын

Either this or (what I think is more effective) don’t engage him in conversation at all. Talk about, not with him. “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

@tropicaljayraff8475

3 ай бұрын

Not necessarily true arguing with someone with an anti opinion is always great. I myself am an atheist and enjoy to looking into opposite viewpoints of my own. But yes if someone is uninterested in actually arguing then it’s just not worth it.

Never talk about morality with theists. They don’t have any. What they have is obedience, which they confuse for morality.

@brandonkennedy4160

3 ай бұрын

I like this! It’s so true. I’ve honestly found them no more morally superior than anyone else. In fact, a suspicious amount seem to lack some pretty fundamental morals. I don’t feel compelled to threaten people with fiction when they don’t have the same opinion as me.

@lucianowillemse8244

3 ай бұрын

I strongly believe that they suffer from narcissism.

@yumyum723

3 ай бұрын

So true. Turek uses the same get out of jail free card every time. Someone needs to say this to him

@brandonkennedy4160

3 ай бұрын

@@lucianowillemse8244 in my experience, many do. I saw a meme a little while ago along the lines of the level of ego it takes to ask a god that didn’t stop the holocaust to help you find your car keys. And it’s so true.

@mudgetheexpendable

3 ай бұрын

​@@yumyum723 so long as that someone is *WELL* trained in rhetoric and the techniques of public speaking that would be great...but he is always on hime turf and has the crowd with him. The challenger would be eviscerated, but might put a wedge in some silent doubters mind.

They think we care what Bill Maher thinks. How cute.

As a very gay Christian, I’m sorry. Not all of us are this bad. I'm neurodivergent too, and an AFAB genderqueer(so I'm supposed to serve under men, get a husband even though I’m lesbian, and hope god cures my autism lol), and we're told as a church to not judge, lest ye be judged. Verses of "condemning" being queer come from a lack of historical context and in some cases, deliberate mistranslation.

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

2 ай бұрын

No need to apologize! You’re not the problem, and I think outspoken queer Christians and Christian allies are a vital part of the solution to bigotry in Christian communities. In fact, I made a video with experienced Bible scholars on the topic of anti-LGBT interpretations of biblical passages in order to arm Christians against bigotry. kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4eLpNqqZ83Vh7w.htmlsi=ktIGefb5EiJ66D1r

@neurodivergentlyblog8882

2 ай бұрын

@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic ooh I'll definitely check it out, thanks!

@babs_babs

2 ай бұрын

hi pls look up “unconventional pastor paul”. this is NOT a troll comment, i sincerely think you might find a fellow christian who you may enjoy listening to

@MrMarineBro

25 күн бұрын

Love this. I’m a lvl 1 aspie myself. Pansexual? Maybe. Lol. Still foggy after a few years of mental repression lmao. But I’m a humanist now and soo much happier. Autistic kids like me didn’t fit in with the Catholic Church and all the rules, questions that can’t be asked etc always Bugged me.

Frank's "trump card" is just the most basic misunderstanding of philosophy

@Reverend_Salem

3 ай бұрын

and science. and culture. and the bible.

@Cajek2

3 ай бұрын

People need to take intro to philosophy These stupid "hOw Do YoU hAvE MorAls wItHouT biBBLe?????" arguments can easily be answered

@braetondavis143

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I have sat in class rooms with him teaching before and trust me his past trump cards have been worse. He would straw man secular people as believing objective truth doesn’t exist at all and would say with the stupidest smile, “oh you don’t believe in objective truth? Is that objectively true? Is this chair real”🙄

@Clb9000

3 ай бұрын

Elaborate. Personally, I disagree with Frank, but I understand where he is coming from. It's a very famous problem in philosophy. The grounding problem, complete skepticism, or the knowledge problem. Frank presupposes god to solve the problem, I presuppose logic, my and assume my senses work. Both of these assumptions (mine and his), in the face of philosophy, are completely arbitrary and baseless. He thinks god isn't arbitrary, but it is. Just like mine. I just think mine are more conservative.

@_Sloppyham

3 ай бұрын

@@Clb9000 people can claim objective morality all they want but they doesn’t mean they aren’t full of shit.

If anyone is LGBTQ+ and is reading this - don't let religious people tell you who you are or should be, they're spitting BS that you shouldn't have in your live ❤

@OleanderStarshine

3 ай бұрын

As an LGBTQ+ person that was once pretty heavily religious (trans/non-binary and aroace), thank you. I needed that after all this video. Not because of Drew, to be clear! Drew is amazing throughout all this! I'm speaking about the people he's replying to

@mursuhillo242

3 ай бұрын

I, too, have an LGTV+

@BuilderB08

3 ай бұрын

Don’t let people tell you who you are or should be period, not just religious people.

@amberharmsen2497

3 ай бұрын

@@OleanderStarshine im a transfemale conversion therapy survivor im 22 now was 15 then

@aglassofmilk5779

3 ай бұрын

@@OleanderStarshine can I ask what religion you followed and why you left?

People who make the argument that trans people are more common now because of awareness remind me of the people who say "Autism is more common now due to overdiagnosis." It in fact wasn't due to overdiagnosis now, but historical under diagnosis due to autism spectrum disorder not being well explored being low functioning autism.

@kaepora66

Ай бұрын

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as a trans woman, the claim that it's a "trend" is extremely offensive to me.

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

Cause it is. No one was talking about transgender 20 years ago

@Amy_399

Ай бұрын

@@erenjaeger1738 because it wasnt as accepted. THINK. Its LITERALLY the same thing as what happened when gay people were finally get acceptance. Acceptance = more people feel comfortable to come out. Its not a trend, use your brain.

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

@Amy_399 it wasn't acceptable bc it wasn't a huge thing back then. No one was mentioning non binary or trans. It was only straight, gays, or bi. So it's sky rocketed in 2020 where covid happen many teenagers were stuck with social media. Pushing to be insecure with your own body.

@pullupenthusiast3800

Ай бұрын

@@erenjaeger1738more of a trend to hate on trans people nowadays, so why would they still exist?

@meltyonk5809

Ай бұрын

@@erenjaeger1738one of the first gender affirming surgeries was done in 1930 to Danish painter lili Elbe, who was born a man and had gender dysphoria all her life, she later went on to have a girlfriend by the name of Gerda Wegener, a fellow danish painter who would often make lesbian erotica-style paintings of the two. It’s nothing new. There was a Roman woman who went by the name Elagabalus, who often went against the sexual and gender norms of Roman times, identifying as a woman and wearing feminine clothing, she later become an emperor of the Roman Empire, in fact, her sexuality and gender were the controversy behind her rule, she was not only one of the few women to hold the position, but also the only trans one. Her history as a figure is shrouded in her controversy from being herself and seeking out whoever she pleased. As is noted in the few books she’s mentioned in, she promised a handsome reward to any doctor who could turn her into a woman. There were the cults of Inanna and Cyebele in Mesopotamia and Greece respectively, who’s followers lived as women and castrated themselves, and they were largely popular in their times, even in the Christian times they remained popular. This is nothing new, it’s been going on for CENTURIES. If it’s a trend, it’s the longest trend to ever exist.

I’m a trans woman who transitioned a decade ago, and I remember being initially concerned with the spike of youth who were afab transitioning. It seemed to go against my experience and what I had heard: that trans women were more common than trans men. It turns out that was never the case! A really clever historical study where US name change records were combed over to find clear gender changes in names. It turns out trans men were always more common by this metric! In general thanks to more acceptance of GNC behavior we’re seeing trans people of all kinds transitioning younger and living fuller lives. And that’s so awesome!

@awkwardukulele6077

3 ай бұрын

That’s still crazy to think about, with how most transphobes think we’re the _only_ kind of trans person, when it turns out we’re not even the most common?! That’s wild. I’m excited to see what we’ll know in the next decade, or at least after the trans panic inevitably dies down.

@CorwinFound

3 ай бұрын

Trans guy here. When I first started to figure out I was trans about 10 years ago I was pretty concerned about the seeming vast difference in numbers between trans men and trans women. It honestly felt like how I was feeling was less valid, that science and data didn't really support my existence. I continued my gender exploration, found community, and eventually came out. But getting over that hurdle for sure slowed down my transition journey. Ironically, that seeming demographic difference was used as "proof" that transness wasn't real back then and now with the apparent increase in trans masc people, it's seen as "proof" that transness is a fad and social contagion. For some reason whatever the data shows, it's "proof" that being trans isn't valid. Funny how that works.

@Reverend_Salem

3 ай бұрын

i think some of the reasons that trans men might have been underreported in the past as compared to trans women is that society has generally been more accepting of GNC AFAB people, so someone who would likely identify as a trans guy today, would likely just dress "butch" or be a tomboy with significantly less social implications and backlash than an AMAB person would if they dressed in "womans" clothes. also, its likely that trans men historically could transition and "pass" easier than a trans woman without hormones and be seen as a feminine guy, while a trans woman might find it harder to transition without hormones (i.e. deeper voice, facial and body hair, and lack of secondary sex characteristics)

@FrozEnbyWolf150

3 ай бұрын

The most logical assumption would be that you'd have an equal number of trans men and trans women, as well as an equal number of AFAB nonbinary and AMAB nonbinary people. However, according to the most recent statistics, 3/4 of people who have come out as nonbinary are AFAB. The key part is, those who have come out. I would speculate that this number will even out as time goes by. I'm AMAB myself, but didn't come out, and didn't even think to ask the questions, until much later in life. As of a few years ago, I would not have counted towards any of these stats.

@CorwinFound

3 ай бұрын

​@@FrozEnbyWolf150I think you are likely correct that the numbers, in a society that didn't stigmatize femininity, would result in roughly equal numbers of masc/fem NB people and binary trans people. But thought experiment. What if the numbers weren't equal? What if there is a biological brain reason why AFAB people are more likely to be non-binary than AMAB people, even sizable numbers like 3:1? Does that make AMAB non-binaryness less valid than AFAB non-binaryness? Of course not. Males are half again more likely to get Parkinson's than females. Does that mean women with Parkinson's should get less support than men? Obviously not. My concern with using raw demographic data to prove a point is that if we are proved wrong by science, our entire movement is undercut. Whether there is 100 million AMAB non-binary people or just one, the concept and identity is valid. But again, I broadly think you are correct, even if I think using that as an argument is potentially an issue. TL;DR, human rights shouldn't be a numbers game. We don't treat people humanely based on a sliding scale of their relative percentage of the demographic.

Sorry for the occasional glitches in the graphics. This project nearly destroyed my computer and I couldn’t buff those out no matter what. I hope they’re not too distracting.

@user-gr9fq9gt9w

3 ай бұрын

Couldn't you at least make the video 1:11:11 long?

@RicOnSwitch

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-gr9fq9gt9w Why does the duration of the video matter?

@tsuribachi

3 ай бұрын

@@RicOnSwitch for 5 number 1 I guess

@OmegaOutoto

3 ай бұрын

Doesn't bother me; I listen to you in the background, like a podcast.

@user-gr9fq9gt9w

3 ай бұрын

@@RicOnSwitch Because some people have OCD. (Not me, but it would've been a terrible feeling).

You genuinely broke down every misbelief i had about transgenders. Great video

On behalf of all trans people I thank you for making perhaps the most thorough and easy to understand video debunking transphobic myths. Must've been very exhausting. ❤

@obonyxiam

2 ай бұрын

as another trans person, i agree

It's not about the science It's about using the Bible as a prooftext for structuring power and boundaries It's about the ingroup, and the science doesn't usually come into it

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

3 ай бұрын

100%

@ayanmizan3297

3 ай бұрын

thank you yoshikage kira

@weedlol

3 ай бұрын

​@@ayanmizan3297Wydm? That's just Kosaku Kawajiri. Everyone knows him.

@timothyhicks3643

3 ай бұрын

+

“The lady from Starbucks told me this story” is borderline satirical evidence. How can you not step back and realize you sound like a Tim Robinson sketch

@jamesgreen5298

3 ай бұрын

"God came to me in a dream" and "Jesus changed my heart" is the same quality of evidence. Why accept testimony, then?

@The8BitPianist

3 ай бұрын

But it was ALL 4 OF THEM! That's gotta be representative!

@DrachenGothik666

3 ай бұрын

@@jamesgreen5298 Because "anecdotes is not the plural of evidence", that's why. It's terrible evidence. Basing one's evidence on _feelings_ is no way to run a study or to collect data.

@jamesgreen5298

3 ай бұрын

@@DrachenGothik666 and that's what I mean to point out. These people, the Christian Apologists, give such overwhelming weight to testimony and anecdote. Weak evidence it is, but they use it as a hammer.

@irrelevant_noob

3 ай бұрын

@@DrachenGothik666 you have that quote backwards... Should be "plural of anecdotes is not evidence." 🧐

If you have to be threatened to eternal pain and punishment to be a good person then you are not a good person

@user-on8wv2mp2c

2 ай бұрын

Interresting, hell has troubled me to.

"grow out of it by the time their 18" huh.. that's weird. Im still a femboy at 21, did I miss a memo or something?

"Christians are being singled out." "Why?" "Because we're Christian." "Anything else?" "...We said & did some bigoted things but God said it's ok-" *disengages*

@NatetheSensitivePlant

3 ай бұрын

More Christians have been killed than lgbtqia+ Christians have done terrible things, and so have the lgbtqia community, because there are bad people everywhere. Its not fair to us if you characterize us by the worst of us versus the best of the LGBT or vice versa.

Not even five minutes in, but I never understand how Christians can be so hung up on "Well how do you know murder is wrong without God?" When the simple answer is: because it hurts someone, and if you kill them they can never come back. It's just that simple. I don't think any human needs a god to tell them hurting others is generally wrong, but maybe they do if they can't figure it out with their toddler level logic. And honestly that's an insult to the toddlers

@JD-wu5pf

3 ай бұрын

It's crazy how Christians think "How do you know murder is wrong without God" is some zinger when you can literally just respond with "If God commanded you to murder someone, would you?" And then watch them start tap dancing around the question.

@brandonkennedy4160

3 ай бұрын

Exactly! It honestly seems more like a moral failing on their end to think that the only way to be moral is to be with God or be religious.

@magneter102

3 ай бұрын

I don't think it's that simple. Because I think that it's valid to ask "Why is harming people wrong?" You might be able to find a justification for that, and perhaps construct a further chain of reasoning from that, but it seems to me that, at some point, you'll have to run up against a fundamental value that isn't really justifiable, in an "objective" way.

@misteryA555

3 ай бұрын

We have plenty of evidence of animals mourning the death of their family members or being protective of fellow animals. I don’t think elephants or apes know what a Jesus is. Hammurabi still had rules to dissuade murdering and harming people thousands of years before Christianity even existed. Seriously, this “You only think murder is bad because the Christian God says so!!” point is so stupid. Like, dude, just think about ONE OTHER PERSON who isn’t yourself. Unless this guy is a creationist who thinks all of history and science is fake, but in that case we have beliefs that are so fundamently different there’s no conversation to even have.

@runningn2life818

3 ай бұрын

@@magneter102 we only have 1 axiom in this logic problem which is what is or is not beneficial to us. It is not beneficial to murder because the person you kill could have helped you and the people close to them will now likely want to murder you. By murdering you have made your life worse therefore murder is bad. Even if you only exist for yourself like some robot you can still recognize that the cons outweigh the pros

Bro really asked why murder is bad I said it once and ill say it again If the ONLY thing keeping you from murdering people or something like that is a stupid Fantasy novel, I don't think the book is the problem

As an atheist, transgender person who struggles from religious trauma and PTSD, I sincerely appreciate your voice. Thank you. I needed this today.

'those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities' Let's hope Turek doesn't do the latter.

@mjjoe76

3 ай бұрын

You know he would if he thought he could get away with it.

@fishboy3612

3 ай бұрын

You know that is what he is doing. He is telling people to tell the people around them they are deceased and to “befriend” people on false pretences and bager them about how they are deceased.

@pufffincrazy5275

3 ай бұрын

Guess who promoted the myth that homosexuality was caused by childhood SA? The Nazis Guess who sent gay people to the concentration camps? The Nazis

@opal884

3 ай бұрын

This statement is ironic

@yarnybart5911

3 ай бұрын

@@opal884 Well spotted

That old trick of Evangelicals claiming LGBTQIA+ people have abusive families but it's not about compassion it's the argument "they're not real, they're broken, help them change. Show them "love" [gaslight them and psychologically abuse them while saying you love them] until that stop being gay". I grew up with this message and my "loving" parents believe it and keep trying to "lovingly" change me through abusive gaslighting dressed up as "concern". That's why they're permanently blocked on every platform and don't even know where I live or anything about my life now. It's truly awful psychological abuse, pretending to care while insistently ongoingly trying to pressure people to change while pretending you're not even doing it, that distress and desperation you make the person feel "is your sin/caused by you being LGBT". It's truly despicable treatment, it is abusive, it is psychological torture. I cannot describe how absolutely awful that pretend love, that love bombing with kind tone with psychological abuse and relentless feigned ignorance while they're eternally twisting the knife is.

@Neurodivergent_RN

3 ай бұрын

It is very abusive. It is gaslighting in the traditional sense of the word - it literally makes you question yourself constantly.

@austinluther5825

3 ай бұрын

I'm so sorry that this is something you have to carry. Much love from a gay trans man. ❤

@KraNisOG

3 ай бұрын

Actually what you're dong is gaslighting, since what they're doing is show support, and being there for someone. Gaslighting is the intentional delievery of information about subjects, generally about the target, that is false with the express purpose of it to result in them questioning themselves. No matter how to view it, being tans is not the societal normal, nor the majority. The natural state of a being is to be what they are, the fundamental purpose of life is to continue it's own existence, reproduction is a way of this. These are fundamental truths about life, down to the simplist of bacteria. Logically speaking one would assume that they're broken, and be there for them to try and heal them. While a Christian believes they can be returned to nature, people against Christians tend to believe that it is nature that will change, both make sense, and both are logical conclusions. Nature changes all the time, we witness it everyday. They aren't pressuring you TO change, they're wanting you to NOT change, which is the bigger problem. Everyone changes, and everyone should be allowed the chance to fail, to learn, and to react to the world around them, and figure out for themelves what kind of a person they want to be, and ought to be.

“You shouldn’t mock people.” *Turek says this after deliberately misgendering the trans people he’s talking about.* And yes, I know he doesn’t think that’s “mocking” people. But you are doing something that they are telling you HURTS them. How is that not mocking them? “Oh, because God says so, which makes it objectively NOT mocking them, and opposing what they’re doing is actually how you love them” But God is a subject, not an object, right, Frank? Wouldn’t that make your god “subjective”? Unless you want to insist that he’s objective regardless because he’s the “ultimate” subject or whatever. But even if that is so, as Drew pointed out, you are subjective, right Frank? So how can you as a subjective person interpret the objective moral laws of your god in any other way than subjectively?

I'm getting so tired of this "cut off perfectly good body parts" from the people who have been insisting on circumcision for ages!

I am a lesbian and have really always felt that way. Even as a child, I’ve ways felt a pull towards to girls/women. I’ve never been sexually abused. Literally ever.

@chaospersonified7204

3 ай бұрын

Literally same, had my first celebrity crush when I was 6, it was Selena Gomez, I've just always been this way.

@hwelse

3 ай бұрын

transfem bi/pan here, massive support for both of yas 🎉😊

@patrickwalsh8913

3 ай бұрын

You don't exist, according to turek

@pufffincrazy5275

3 ай бұрын

the myth that same sex attraction is caused by abuse was promoted by the Nazis That should tell you all you need to know about that myth and the people who push it.

@chronic_payne5669

3 ай бұрын

I spent my whole life suppressing my feelings, believing it was dirty and wrong. So I dated men, was sexually abused several times. I’m so glad i finally found myself, I’m an agnostic, asexual lesbian. All of my shame and trauma is from being raised Mormon adjacent in Utah

Your disgust with Frank Turek is palpable, and I applaud you for it. He deserves little more than contempt.

@EdwardHowton

3 ай бұрын

Oh he deserves a _lot_ more than contempt, but sadly the history of our species has decided that what he _does_ deserve is illegal, because of a long history of misapplication.

@ilikedota5

3 ай бұрын

What's interesting is that GM Skeptic has done a video with Sean McDowell before just having a conversation.

@jerryloverice1598

Ай бұрын

@@EdwardHowtonand this is the problem, you disagree with this man, he can say hurtful things but you go right around and do exactly what he is doing wrong, you are no better than him

@jerryloverice1598

Ай бұрын

This is the problem, you’re ignoring the value of his human life just based on his different ideology grow up

It's sad to me that you lose subs for this. So, here's my heartfelt gratitude to you for covering it, in a vague hope that that will somehow help to make it worth having done it. Rock on, all the trans sisters, brothers, and non-binary siblings out there. And rock on, Drew. Definitely nice to see the details unpacked on these apologists' bogus claims. (With love from a genderqueer person, who probably meets diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria, though it's a little bit of a fuzzy line for me -- it's complicated.)

@Leafsdude

2 ай бұрын

I second this, and offer my own support to you as a cisgendered person who wants everyone to be celebrated for who they are, regardless of whether it fits my own experience, as long as it doesn't cause demonstrable harm. 🏳‍⚧

@nolancheck1465

2 ай бұрын

For what it's worth, the Social Blade shows his subscribers continuing to grow. People who leave are being replaced faster than they can leave.

@DavidLindes

2 ай бұрын

@@nolancheck1465 that's cool. Still a pity that folks would leave, though. It makes me worry for their future actions.

the thing with theists is that they claim science can not explain everything, but when it benefits their narrative, they say BUT SCIENCE ALSO SAYS SO, OUR BOOK SAID IT BEFORE SCIENCE!

@trismegistus2881

3 ай бұрын

to be honest, where is the logical contradiction? You can say both things at the same time.

@spartasbestman

3 ай бұрын

@@trismegistus2881 It's not exactly a contradiction, but it's hypocritical imo. They're determining the value or truth of science based on whether it coincides with the Bible. Essentially, any science that disagrees with their text is bogus, and any science that supports their beliefs can be used as supporting evidence of their claims. It makes science out to be conditional based purely on the observer's faith and gives their supposedly science-backed beliefs less water, since the legitimacy of the data can be revoked at any time

@marcdc6809

3 ай бұрын

true, Turek is very hung ho on that the big bang was the beginning and entropy indicates that the universe is winding down... but somehow that the universe is deterministic so god already knew who would die a sinner and deserves to go to hell somehow escapes him, and the fact that god would be the conscious designer of cholera.

@_Sloppyham

3 ай бұрын

@@trismegistus2881it treats science as a convenience than what it actually is. Like saying “Jake also agrees with me” to strengthen your case but every time Jake does not agree with me I just say Jake is full of shit.

@trismegistus2881

3 ай бұрын

@@spartasbestman it is certainly a bad way to analyse scientific claims. But let us be honest, choosing scientific articles and sources selectively to defend your cause is really widespread. It's confirmation bias.

i actually am pretty surprised that transphobia is so prevalent even in the atheist community, we gotta fix that indeed

@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

3 ай бұрын

Transphobia pays well in both social and actual currency right now.

@VixenArt3

3 ай бұрын

@@CountDoofus Personally I feel like the "rejection of the claim that humans can change their sex" comes down to someone's understanding of it. I, as a trans woman myself know that sex is indeed changeable to a degree, we can change secondary sex characteristics through HRT, practically going through male-typical or female-typical puberty with bio-identical hormones which changes our bodies and allows us to pass in society as either male or female. Primary sex is also changeable to a degree with cosmetic surgeries. Biological sex isn't changeable however and neither are chromosomes, but who actually cares about that truly? Only people who obsess about opposing trans people, because if you look elsewhere you'll find the same thing with certain intersex men and women. Some intersex women are XY, both biologically and chromosomally male, and some intersex men are XX, both biologically and chromosomally female but they are accepted just fine ( as they should be ) but it just proves how little biological sex and chromosomes actually matter when it comes to our identities and how we live and operate in the world. The second point I would say definitely applies to transphobia, the amount of irrational fear and hatred I've been seeing especially recently is so high and from all sides. Even if there are problems in the trans movement ( which I'm personally not familiar with, I don't really spend any time following what a particular movement is doing ) the way it's being handled, mostly by dehumanizing us, stripping us of our rights or access to healthcare which has benefited an overwhelming majority of us is downright monstrous. Mind telling me what are some of the issues you've observed and what do you think would be an appropriate response to them?

@gsp3428

3 ай бұрын

No one is really transphobic, they just dont want it pushed on others, parents dont want teachers telling boys they can be girls, Also trans people desire for attention is unparralled, if they just did their thing and lived their lives, go ahead, you got guys like Drew, who virtue signal to make him feel good about himself like you. People dont live by your rules if you can imagine. Also cutting kids genitals off, or giving 12 year old double masectomies probably not the best thing for them.

@gsp3428

3 ай бұрын

@@VixenArt3 you can not change your sex, a male will always be a biological male, and a female will always be a biological female, all the surgeries, hormone blockers wont change what a person really truly is.

@derkatzenfuerst6077

3 ай бұрын

​@@VixenArt3 Not the person you replied to and I agree with most of your points. What I think some of us have experienced, is that even discussing basic terms or questioning how to handle certain issues like public bathrooms, prisons, early gender affirming surgery or women's sports can lead to getting shouted at and getting called transphobic. For me personally, I think everyone should get full support to express their identity and every form of bullying or discrimination must be opposed vehemently. But at the same time I think it must also be allowed to talk about differences between for example trans women and women who were assigned female at birth. If we can't even discuss differences anymore, we can't really find solutions for some of the questions I mentioned. This is personal and anecdotal of course, but I know two young women who presented as trans men for most of their adolescence. They did not receive gender affirming surgery during that time, in one case because the parents didn't allow it. Now in their early twenties, they identify as women. I wonder what would have happened if they had received "blind" affirmation and early gender affirming surgery? I just don't know how to deal with such cases. So I think the whole topic of early gender affirming care is really difficult to navigate. On the one hand, I would love it if everyone gets the medical support they need as early as possible, one the other, it can be dangerous to start very early, especially since there seems to be at least a fraction of young people who identify as trans for a while, but not permanently. Prisons and sports are other areas where I think there are many grey areas or individual cases that can be difficult. Should trans women be allowed in women's sports? I just think there is no easy answer. Overall, I really hope that our societies can develop in a way that allows for people of all identities and orientations to live without experiencing discrimination or being dehumanised. At the same time, I think it must still be possible to question and criticise, wherever we think that harm is being done. What frustrates me the most is that I feel the whole discussion tends to derail very quickly into extreme accusations. It seems hard to defend the rights of the LGBTQ+ community without being called woke, it also seems nearly impossible to question policy in regards to the issues I mentioned without being called transphobic.

Imagine you are in a bad moment, and some of those missionaries claim they loves you and try to pull you in their doctrine, and "disagree" to your healthy natural born sexual orientation and try to make you unconfortable with yourself ... how much damage these persons add to you. And on top: When you then get angry at those missionary "helpers", then they say: "look , demons speak out of him".

Turek is infuriating. He is the perfect example of. "There's no hate like Christian love".

I love it when GM DESTROYS apologists with FACTS AND LOGIC

@remingtonn_

3 ай бұрын

read that as game master LMAO

@LineOfThy

3 ай бұрын

@@remingtonn_ Dnd does do that tho

@cewla3348

3 ай бұрын

@@remingtonn_ GM *DESTROYS* powerplayers with RULES AND FUN

@lylez00

3 ай бұрын

I thought they just made cars.

@Amethyst.

3 ай бұрын

I'll keep my eyes peeled

"There's only harm if god exists" is exactly what a psychopath with zero empathy would say.

@iwkaoy8758

3 ай бұрын

He mint harm is ant evil ore wrong width out a god,Witch is true. Width out god, every single purr sun have their own right and wrong. If eye murder some one four their money,thats good two me,but evil two dim. The victims family kent claim you committed a evil act because its subjective

@riccardozanoni2531

3 ай бұрын

@@iwkaoy8758 it's funny how this makes more sense with the awful spelling than without...

@The-blackghost36

3 ай бұрын

@@iwkaoy8758 is english known to you?

@iwkaoy8758

3 ай бұрын

@@The-blackghost36 Yes,Ayes am speak king it now,Ken you reed?

@imaginationave3687

3 ай бұрын

@@iwkaoy8758 It's harmful in the sense that you are removing a tool from the machine known as society to further your own wealth slightly. Why would you commit an action so destructive when the consequences outweigh the benifits?

Lesbian here, I’ve never been sexually abused

@OrangeandGreenSoda

2 ай бұрын

Trans woman here, I was never neglected by any of my parents.

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

​@OrangeandGreenSoda but obviously you were insecure your own body. Very different from the gays or straight

@OrangeandGreenSoda

Ай бұрын

@@erenjaeger1738 everybody gets insecure in their body at some point

@SwankemasterSupreme

Ай бұрын

@@OrangeandGreenSodayeah but at least I don’t lie to myself about who I am as a person

@pinguludd6586

24 күн бұрын

​@@SwankemasterSupreme i dont think you realize how painfully aware trans people are of their own bodies, projecting how shallow of a person you are is quite silly

Prior to this video I was rather transphobic. Over the past year I've learned more and more about the topic and this video was the last thing needed to change my mind. Your fact-orientated line of arguing and your use of studies and other sources played a big role in that. Your videos make a difference, you're doing important work

@nitzanshu4695

2 ай бұрын

Im happy to hear you were willing to hear a different view, a lot of time its hard to hear opinions different to those a person hold, and even harder to actually consider them. Its always great to hear when people are willing to try and change ❤

@RazedFire

2 ай бұрын

idk w ho u r, but good for you for beinng open to listening and learning from differrent peerrrspectives, cant english my right hand is pettying dog

@Andrew-pv8oz

2 ай бұрын

It’s definitely ewwy, but not morally wrong

@babatastisch

2 ай бұрын

@@Andrew-pv8oz The question was never if it was moraly wrong or not, I just had a wrong perception of transgenderism

@Andrew-pv8oz

2 ай бұрын

@@babatastisch but you said you were “rather trenZ phobic”

Drew I really appreciate your taking a stand for LGBTQIA+ people. We NEED allies and the secular community needs diversity. Having allies willing to use their platform and privilege working towards that to transform the community make it more inclusive, and even more fundamentally to take a stand for our rights, makes all the difference, so thank you! ❤ As a trans guy who can credit you with helping me to finally acknowledge my doubts and accept my atheism and freedom from Evangelicalism it makes me happier than I can say that someone I appreciate, relied on and look up to so much really is taking a stand for people like me. The LGBTQIA+ community, and often in particular trans people with the current rhetoric, really need allies and we need a more inclusive world, we need support against many religiously led organisations trying to genocide us and having people like you raise awareness and remind us that you support us makes ALL the difference in the world! Unless all of us are free, none are free! 🏳️‍🌈⚧️✊🏾✊🏿⚛️

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

You're insecure

@HungryWarden

Ай бұрын

@@erenjaeger1738Really? Didn’t know you had mind reading powers. Seriously though, I think this comment is the opposite of that.

@moon10024

Ай бұрын

​@@erenjaeger1738 sounds like project from this one

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

@moon10024 well y u think transgender do the transitions

when i came out as a transgender man, the most shocking rejection from my peers came from a friend at the time, who was a religion-critical atheist. i expected hatred from my christian classmates, having been raised catholic and taught the same transphobia as them, but hearing it from someone who rejected most of what was taught there… that cut deep. there is absolutely a transphobia issue in atheist communities. thank you so much for recognizing it, GMS, and for repeatedly sharing the truth

@DavidSmith-vr1nb

3 ай бұрын

I've been disappointed in a lot of short-sighted transphobia in atheists I used to respect, and I'm cis.

@fromeveryting29

3 ай бұрын

I have had similar experiences as an adult. When I transitioned pro-trans sentiments was probably it’s highest ever. Later on, however, many atheists have fallen hard for far-right, even fascistic rhetoric. I think it started with «logic bros» debunking religious claims online, but later shifting towards anti-sjw content because it was convenient for them to mock passionate minorities for money. So now some atheists are hard right-leaning, and it’s pathetic and frustrating to see.. Since then some atheists creators are in a weird sort of in between space between modern american christo-fascism, which is «anti-woke» (anti-progressive) BUT claimed christian - and socially progressive secularism. We are histprically heading into a new wave of fascism, and many many many people who are insecure and/or ignorant are falling for it face first. Fascism appeals to insecurity. Projected disgust for weakness, difference, vulnerability embodied in politics and so on.

@gsp3428

3 ай бұрын

@@DavidSmith-vr1nb youre not cis, there is no such thing. Its nonsense cult stuff terminology.

@alessa_cybergoth

3 ай бұрын

I know what I'm gonna mention is not nearly as bad as transphobia... But I've met atheists who believed in ghosts and other forms of paranormal/magic ideas, that was disappointing. That was the moment I realized being an atheist does not make you a true skeptical person in other subjects. Also, a lot of atheists hold conservative ideas without questioning them. I hope you feel good nowadays. I'm sorry about what happend between you and your friend. Something a little similar happened with a close friend, it turned out she was a racist, incredibly superficial and manipulated me using her emotions... I was tired of her bs. She used her emotions to tell me I should not question her bigoted views, and whenever I questioned her point of view she would get mad at me (it didn't not matter how polite I was being). I stopped talking to her when she started treating me in a rude way because my anger against her racism was (according to her) "unjustified". I was also tired of her discarding guys based solely on their height, a lot of them were good men. She was looking for a tall, smart, succesful and handsome man...

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

So you're insecure

Yes being trans is the easy route that makes total sense. It makes so much sense to be trans to be accepted because people never bully those who are different from them not at all.

@yunobeat

3 ай бұрын

Definitely definitely not lul (also hi fellow goth :3)

@jorgecarvalho8563

3 ай бұрын

yes! trans people have such a big life expectancy, get no bullying, have a lower suicide rate and have 0% chance of getting killed on the road for wanting to be themselves❤😍😍😍😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰🥰

@yunobeat

3 ай бұрын

@@jorgecarvalho8563 exaaaactly we are never threatened at aaaaaaall :3

@RealQuarlie

3 ай бұрын

Gosh, I love becoming trans just to fix me being miserable. It fixed all my problems! I am literally getting assaulted every time I go into a public restroom. This is so great! Everyone should be trans! This is genuinely what Christians Apologists believe trans people are like lmao

All straight people have had the experience of attraction to the opposite sex, and to not be attracted to someone of the same sex. To believe that homosexuality is a choice is to believe that gay people have that natural attraction to the opposite sex but then CHOOSE to have sex with someone of the same sex, despite having no attraction to the same sex, and despite the stigma and bias and other negative things that come with being gay in our society. Ever heard of Occam’s razor? Seems a lot more likely that they have a natural attraction to people of the opposite sex that they were born with, just like straight people were born with a natural attraction to people of the opposite sex.

Anytime an apologist tries to do a “gotcha” by asking my standard of morality, I always say I have a standard for the greatest amount of wellbeing and the least amount of suffering for the most people as humanly possible. In my experience that surprises them, they usually don’t expect an articulate answer.

@_Sloppyham

3 ай бұрын

The simple (but stupid) reply back would be “but what do you base this off of”

@rodomolina7995

3 ай бұрын

"Why is well being good?" - Frank Turek probably

@r_A_ven

3 ай бұрын

@@_Sloppyham"it makes me feel good and doing the opposite would make me feel bad"

@johnwalker1058

3 ай бұрын

I think it's very telling of them that they are genuinely shocked to hear a person have an articulate response to their "gotcha" questions that don't require buying into their worldview. Like they really can't seem to fathom that one can have a different idea of how morality works than they do and have it be reasonable. "You mean your choices and actions aren't guided by the threat of eternal torture!? Impossible!"

@_Sloppyham

3 ай бұрын

@@r_A_ven and then: “so a subjective standard based on your feelings alone that you cannot ask others to follow unless they already feel the same way. Looking at past wars for example plenty of people have enjoyed raping and causing suffering to those that were minding their own business. It made them feel good to hold power over others and feel bad when they didn’t have this power. Their morals are also based off of feelings and theirs nor yours is superior than the other. To claim one is superior is to use arbitrary standards that boil down to, again, feelings.”

"book said so" - religious mfs, every single time

@DrachenGothik666

3 ай бұрын

My reply to those types: "I don't _care_ what's in your fucking book. Gimme a _real_ reason to believe in your imaginary friend, backed up by actual evidence that he exists, & do it without relying on shit written by people from the Bronze Age. Give me evidence from _real life."_

@LineOfThy

3 ай бұрын

@@DrachenGothik666 that doesn't work. they can't think of anything besides that book.

@AXKfUN9m

3 ай бұрын

@@LineOfThy Actually some can. They just make it the fvck up.

@TheSkyGuy77

3 ай бұрын

That's why religion is basically a cult with better public relations.

@erenjaeger1738

Ай бұрын

Well, duh? Where you think their belief comes from?

Why do people fall for that "no, let ME ask YOU something " card every time?

I wish they could move past the, "morals only come from God," rhetoric.

@Alex_Vir

2 ай бұрын

They can't let go of subjectiv morals…

Even if being trans was a mental disorder. I'm American and pro freedom. Otherwise plastic surgery and tattoos should be illegal. And i just don't care enough about what people do with their body. I may not even like it. Freedom. Freedom wins.

@virno69420

3 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, should public insurance plans paid by tax dollars contribute to gender affirming care ?

@BriannadaSilva

3 ай бұрын

I've made this argument before. At the end of the day this is a bodily autonomy issue more than anything, I think. Even if trans people are wrong to transition (which I don't think they are), it's nobody's damn business what they do with their own lives and bodies. Freedom is right!!

@gabrielmccray3457

3 ай бұрын

@@virno69420 it would not bother me if it does. If I didn't. That would be like being against a veteran getting health care for becoming an amputee. (Not necessarily from their service, just a public money example) And not giving them prosthetics. Technically they'll live without them. But do we only care about people up to fatal injuries? I think not. We care about their mental state too. And I'm ok with that.

@KaaneDragonShinobi

3 ай бұрын

@@virno69420ah yes. the 0.00001% of taxpayer dollars that would go to the overwhelmingly huge population of trans people just rampaging all over the country. Get a grip, we spend far more money on a useless military (not the soldiers i'm talking about, just the military as an entity), and a social security scheme that might just explode in a few decades.

@slimal1

3 ай бұрын

​@@virno69420if it's gonna fix the issue. But that's only one way to treat gender dysphoria. The problem is that any other course of action is deemed conversion therapy.

Its funny he said that. Im bisexual with a preference for my own gender. And i have experienced zero abuse in my life. And early on I was raised an openminded christian but not strictly in any sense as my mother wanted me to follow myself. At teen I stopped being christian but i stil have fully supportive religious family members. And my family in general is almost stereotypically a nuclear family...

@GrannyBender

3 ай бұрын

Yeah right?! I had ups and downs like every kids but overall I suffered no abuse, I had kids picking up on me because I was a shy book nerd, but nothing traumatic or too massive, and since then I came out, started transitioning, etc. and my family is fine with it, I've got their support. I came to the realization that I wanted to transition later in life and am working from home, so I don't really suffer most of the rejection or discrimination that other face. But I sure have grown up in a quite catholic environment but later evolved in quite open minded and friendly spaces. I did not in any way suffer any traumatic childhood, I have quite a happy one, I wasn't pushed to transition by anyone, I barely use social media and most of my close friends are some I met after coming to the realization and acceptation of who I am. Soooo, I get I don't fit into his lil box either.

@pufffincrazy5275

3 ай бұрын

Yes, gay man here, from idealistic happy Christian nuclear family with mom, dad, sibling and dog, and still gay. People like Turek have never bothered to even honestly talk to actual queer people: he thinks we’re brainless.

@DrachenGothik666

3 ай бұрын

Dang, lucky critter! I'm genuinely glad for you! On the other hand, I had the trauma, in spades. Physical, social, mental _&_ sexual. Bullied constantly as a kid, too. Still, I ended up transitioning later in life (started when I was 50, though I've lived "male" for most of my life) & I'm gay (prefer males, since I was ostensibly "hetero" when I presented female). Turek is a dick who _really_ needs to learn how wrong he is.

I was confronted by my pastor twice in my own home (my family invited him over for this) about me being gay and he kept insisting that I was gay because my dad cheated on and left my mom (when I was 17). He kept saying this _after_ I told him that I first experienced same-sex attraction when I was 8 and that had compounded by the time I was 13. It was so frustrating, but also kind of relieving at the time because it was confirmation that he was pulling information out of his ass-but unfortunately, only I could verify that. I was 18 then. 21 now and moved out with my bf last year and living happier than I ever have been.

Even rats are capable of empathy and doing the right thing. Are rats religious somehow?

@Anon_y_mouse_the_only

2 ай бұрын

Fun fact: during the rat cheese prohibition, ratbis would secretly sell cheese of the rat god after church

@Koopaperson

2 ай бұрын

@@Anon_y_mouse_the_onlythis implies a Rat Constitution with amendments and I find that amazing

If Frank agrees that harming gays is wrong than he's admitting that he's not actually getting his moral standard from god, because god's standard not only has no problem with harming gays, but actually advocates for their murder

@KayleePrince-we5pb

3 ай бұрын

If someone was consistently following god's standard they would have to be okay with that and even consider that to be objectively good, so I would say Frank is actually the one trying to steal morality from secular humanism and falsely attributing it to his religion

@7856841

3 ай бұрын

This isn’t mentioned in the Bible at all. Don’t confuse super churches with the content of the Bible.

@whitefang9758

3 ай бұрын

@@7856841 How do you explain Leviticus 20:13 ?

@haywardjeblomey6505

3 ай бұрын

@@7856841 What's not mentioned in the bible?

@SydneyBell-eh6je

3 ай бұрын

@@7856841 Leviticus 20:13

we used to sacrifice humans, animals and resources to the gods, now we sacrifice our own desires. it must be quite something to step off your belief and realize you can just do whatever you want

@Z4r4sz

3 ай бұрын

Who promotes that exactly?

@anesidora3084

3 ай бұрын

It's a lazy mindset that if one can choose what they give up, they can also gain what they want. Its magical thinking. Sacrifice a lamb and get rain for your crops. Real solutions are harder and require you to challenge yourself

@croozerdog

3 ай бұрын

​@@Z4r4sz Christianity tells you to suppress your sexuality for example, even if you're the most straight person ever, a good christian waits for marriage, even though sex feels great. The sacrifice I mean personal. a less controversial example is cursing, even if it feels good to you, you shouldn't, so you repress the urge. There's logical reasons people wrote down these rules, or got them through god depending on your belief, but i personally think its misguided

@croozerdog

3 ай бұрын

​@@anesidora3084 I guess so, repress your urges to get into heaven. I'd rather have people do stuff for eachother instead of a god. I have christians in my family and it genuinely feels like they only act nice to people for god, rather than to make others happy. Maybe it's one and the same in their mindset but it feels off to me

@murphalocalypse

3 ай бұрын

*So often my typed responses cut right to the bone despite how i may try to sound respectful. I hope you read this message with the personal respect i am feeling towards you 😊* You can do whatever you want as a member of any religion that promotes forgiveness within its tenets, correct? How is being without a religion any different? Perhaps it's all about the framing of the subject. Also according to many religious texts owning human slaves or raping a woman so long as you marry her are perfectly moral actions. So why aren't there many people doing what they want within that context? Instead many believers abhor those actions as immoral. Human morality has moved beyond those actions just as civilizations have moved beyond sacrificing animals to gods. The fact that criminal behavior amongst the non-religious happens at lower rates and that countries where people are more non-religious are the types of places you want to live speak more against the idea that having faith make people more accountable or moral than people without.

Drew DESTROYS my ability to study before a test with an INTERESTING and INFORMATIVE KZread VIDEO

To claim morality and good are unique to Christianity is just idiotic.

Harm only exists if god exists? Good lordt how do we meet these people in the middle when THIS is what they believe?

@indigopines

3 ай бұрын

I know right???? So, if god doesnt exist, and you torture a baby.... You didn't do nothing wrong? The baby's pain just doesn't exist?? What the actual fuck???????

@TheTrevortrowbridge

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think we can, or that it is fair to reasonably expect us to.

@Sarcasticron

3 ай бұрын

They give the impression that they spend a lot of time wanting to do crimes, and the only thing stopping them is fear of hell. But normal people just don't want to do the crimes.

@xxsidekickxx7287

3 ай бұрын

​@@Sarcasticron no they dont? Youre projecting your views on to them. And harm can only exist if there is an objective moral in the world. If morals are subjective, any crazy person can say that to them causing harm to other is morally good because it makes them feel good🥰, and that the other persons feeling of pain is actually the feeling of joy...😃. You see why this is a problem? If morals are subjective and are made by an individual then you cant really tell them that their crimes are bad, they could just argue that since stealing furthered their wealth its not a bad thing, and the people who lost their money feel joy that their money is being used to further someones life. Morality needs to be objective and in order for it to be that way, someone had to stablish it, many people call this person God. Its and interesting subject which can lead to good debates.

@joshualavender

3 ай бұрын

@@xxsidekickxx7287 Re: "If morals are subjective, any crazy person can say that to them causing harm to other is morally good because it makes them feel good🥰, and that the other persons feeling of pain is actually the feeling of joy...😃." ....... What a load of monkey spunk! How have you reached the conclusion that how people say they feel is the only way or even the primary way to determine whether harm has been done? When someone is on trial for murder, do the lawyers determine whether or not the crime was committed and it was wrong and something should be done about it by arguing about how the murderer or the victim or the victim's family *feel* about it? Or more to your point, how they *say* they feel or how they *say* other people feel? This is just a red herring.

“he’s never met a lesbian who hasn’t been abused” huh?? how does that back any evidence at all. i’m queer and i’ve never been abused and only bullied AFTER coming out. such stupid “evidence”

@Sam1D28

3 ай бұрын

No you see, obviously you don't exist. Only yhe lesbians he has personally met exist! You and me are just a glitch in God's Creaton or something...

@LineOfThy

3 ай бұрын

Yes but you're not in the first two letters of LGBTQ, and conservatives can't read past that.

@blitzogene

3 ай бұрын

@@Sam1D28 yeah sorry i’ll just disappear because im not suppose to exist my bad 😔

@AXKfUN9m

3 ай бұрын

Keyword: met. Every lesbian he MET has been abused. I wonder why.

As a Christian, people like Turek piss me off, and I hate how many people think like him. You have to treat people with empathy because they deserve it, show love and compassion, not judgment. It's our job to love, not condemn. And to love someone is to accept them as they are. Period. Gay, straight, Christian or not, it doesn't matter. The PERSON matters.

@carmensfootstool7377

27 күн бұрын

THIS!!!

Thank you for being one of the Real skeptics who actually defers to science and doesn't get wrapped up in the whole 'skepticism means being skeptical of EVERYTHING even when it has PROOF' crowd that most others fell into. You've been a really great ally to the LGBT community and as a queer trans atheist it's always nice to have a place to go on the internet where atheism isn't being misconstrued with 'being the absolute shittiest people on the planet who hate human rights'.

I was not abused, nor shunned or mistreated by anyone because of my sexuality, and I will be 50 in 2025. Turek has no idea what causes anything. I'm a proud pansexual non-binary, and I have known since I was 8 who I was attracted to.

To declare yourself, of all things, as trans is definitively the absurdest way to "fit in" whatever the fuck "fit in" even means anymore. You know these people go through hell doing so right? Are all the harassment, death threats, slanders, etc. worth "fitting in"?

@gsp3428

3 ай бұрын

trans people want attention, most of them, nobody cares what they do. Just do your thing, just dont push it on everyone else.

@pufffincrazy5275

3 ай бұрын

Being LGBT doesn’t make you popular: it paints a target on your back

@fromeveryting29

3 ай бұрын

I know right. Usually trans people go through their entire childhood and youth trying to suppress their true selves to «fit in», and due to shame. In fact, trans people trying to «fit in» at the cost of their feelings is THE MAIN CAUSE OF DEATH for them. Making trans people «rid themselves of their feelings of being trans» = very possibly causing them to kill themselves. Those are facts.

@user-vt5qg7hj1m

Ай бұрын

As a trans man, I ABSOLITELY AGREE Being fairly open about my transness didn't make me "fit in" it just got me into a lot of fights and harassment during school, a lot of abuse from relatives, and made me very mad at the world we live in

as an agnostic (atheist? spiritual? questioning ✅) trans man living in a catholic household, thanks so much. loved your channel for years

It’s funny to me when people say these things like they know your experience better than yourself.

When I was a Christian I hated having to be one of the people against homosexuality. I felt bad for gay people getting rejected by their Christian families and friends and I saw it happen all too often. I could never think of a logical reason why it would be wrong to be gay, but I could see that the Bible says that it is a sin so I just had to trust my Bible. Now that I am an atheist my mind is free to think and reason for itself. My conclusions are not predetermined by an old book that no Christian truly follows anyway. Christians today don't agree with the Bible that it is okay to own and beat slaves like the law of Moses condones, referring to them as "property". Christians today don't believe that women shouldn't be allowed to have leadership roles like their Bible says. And Christians today don't condone killing all of the babies of your enemies like the Israelites were commanded to do. The list goes on and on, but the point is that even christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe. There are far more misogynistic verses in the Bible than there are verses that condemn homosexuality, and yet Christians don't generally hold to misogynist laws, but they choose to say that homosexuality is sinful. It's cherry picking.

@chillinchum

3 ай бұрын

You know just last night I was watching a video going over what role women have, in the bible. It had negative things to say about patriarchy, but it spent more time talking about the "dangers of egalitarians" No, really, there's still people, and I suspect a somewhat growing number, leaning towards that. At least they (and myself, though on the opposing side.) recognize that if you're going to take the bible at it's word, it doesn't support gender equality. To be christian properly is to be LGBT+ hating, apparently. Unless you ignore scripture, and just consider that jesus followed the golden rule. I am of the understanding or suspicion that being anti-trans has a basis on supporting gender roles, if people can change thier gender, they would in theory be able to change thier roles, yes? But then why would this thing that they consider immutable and picked by god.... Are you seeing the challenge that the mere existence of intersex/physically non-binary people present to anyone supporting a patriarchy? How could that caste system be justified? It can't, and so the trans people have to burn, it's crucial to thier worldview. I'm not sure how safe it is to allow them that belief. But, I suppose we can wait for them to start murdering, and then use the force of law on them...at least as long as the police do their job probably....

@DrachenGothik666

3 ай бұрын

There are plenty of Christians who don't believe women should have positions of leadership or teaching. The Southern Baptist Convention (for example) even has (or had, it may have changed, since I last checked) that as part of their mandate, that no women lead. Sorry for cherry picking their cherry picking. 😛

@Amethyst.

3 ай бұрын

It's wrong because god planned you to have kids, provide for your family, have a soul mate, and meet him in heaven. Not to penetrate another man's backdoor and eliminate the possibility of millions of possible humans. Millions of humans forever in stasis, never to be born or exist, so sad.

@4dojo

3 ай бұрын

@@Amethyst. Okay. So if marriage and sex are only about procreation then I guess a Christian should never marry a woman who can't have kids. He better find another woman and she just has to be alone. And I suppose that only vanilla sex is okay, but no oral sex is allowed because it doesn't make babies?

@RasmusVJS

3 ай бұрын

@@Amethyst. Is a sexless straight marriage immoral? What about gay marriages with children through surrogacy or other means?

I wonder if a deeper questioning and conversation would show that the lesbians he spoke with went to church as children. Wouldn't that speak more to the rampant sexual abuses in the church rather than sexual abuse *causing* homosexuality? Can we have a conversation about how even outside the church little girls are sexualized and told that they're "distracting" their peers and teachers for wearing weather appropriate clothing? He's so close to the point. He just needs to reach out and accept it.

@DrachenGothik666

3 ай бұрын

While it's possible the lesbians were molested in a church setting, it's far more likely that they were SA'd by a family member in their home. Either way, we have no way of knowing for certain which it was.

@doggerybaw

3 ай бұрын

@Drachenfrau I'm not trying to say I know for sure their specific situations. I was just trying to point out that without a deeper conversation, we have no way of knowing their situations. Why are religious figures like this so quick to point fingers at us being SA'd as the "reason" for being queer rather than trying to get to the root of the problem(the abusers they so often cover for)?

Some mormons want to be preferred to as LDS, but can't be bothered to say "they/them"

@PinoccThePiccolo

2 ай бұрын

I’ve definitely misread the acronym for Latter Day Saints as LSD before.😭

He "admits", then switches to saying christians have been treated wrong... Smooth frank.

Typical right wing motto, “stop being intolerant of my intolerance!”

@user-on8wv2mp2c

2 ай бұрын

?

"I will actually provide scholarly sources for my claims... unlike Turek." Drew just summed up this entire video in one sentence.

"There's only harm if god exists" is such a clown statement, as if anyone actually believes that

@AXKfUN9m

3 ай бұрын

The fact that they believe that, and actually worship such being, speaks volumes on their morality.

@chronic_payne5669

3 ай бұрын

Right? How twisted is you’re only being persecuted if you validate my beliefs in god, who says being LQBTQIA is a sin

@gsp3428

3 ай бұрын

I would actually change it, to harming others is only wrong if God exists. If God doesnt why not do whatever you want. Who says its wrong to harm others, it goes on all the time around the world, in both the animal world and the human world.

@AXKfUN9m

3 ай бұрын

@@gsp3428 There's nothing inherently wrong with causing harm, it's just that we, as humans and society, determine which types of harm are 'bad'.

@whambalamb

3 ай бұрын

Before there was a human society, who defined right and wrong

“Stupid Mav. Only I’M supposed to talk over the other person.”

@empatheticfrog2052

3 ай бұрын

Pretty much lol. The dude hears someone making sense and goes "ope can't have that WORD SALAD ACTIVATE! "

@orkhaa-rh4dd

2 ай бұрын

"only god gives me the moral framework to justify such a thing so....."