Debating Douglas Murray on Gender, Reparations, and Extinction Rebellion

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Douglas Murray is a British conservative author and journalist, and associate editor of The Spectator. In 2017 Murray wrote The Strange Death of Europe, taking on the issue of the global immigration crisis, and now he returns with The Madness of Crowds, a book about identitarianism in four areas: 'gay', 'women', 'race' and 'trans'.
Douglas speaks to Alex about the logic of reparations and a retributive approach to historical injustice, as well as the nature of gender, and the advocacy tactics of the LGBT community.
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  • @alexwhat8582
    @alexwhat85823 жыл бұрын

    As a trans male, i would like to point out that most sane members of the community do agree that placing a trans term in a child is extremely hurtful. Raise a child as their born gender, allow them open borders within it but don't overly talk or push the discussion with a child.

  • @RedWolfVids

    @RedWolfVids

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nice to hear from a reasonable person on the trans side

  • @alexwhat8582

    @alexwhat8582

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RedWolfVids it's unintentionagent and harmful can be more harmful n8tbto

  • @ADDISON396

    @ADDISON396

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@RedWolfVids Welcome to the concept of the silent majority.

  • @swarnavasamanta2628

    @swarnavasamanta2628

    3 жыл бұрын

    Need more trans people like you, and have your voice heard.

  • @alexwhat8582

    @alexwhat8582

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@stevenwu235 yeah, show me that definition.

  • @cockerswilde
    @cockerswilde4 жыл бұрын

    Discussions like this remind me why the mainstream media is so poor and has been for all of my life

  • @mynewcolour

    @mynewcolour

    4 жыл бұрын

    Murray features in msm daily. I agree he’s rarely challenged. The interviewer here does well.

  • @dougcasey6117

    @dougcasey6117

    4 жыл бұрын

    David... My sentiments exactly, I don't know your location but here in America, our media is one big ugly dumpster fire. You lose IQ points for every minute wasted watching this trivial gossip click-bait and propaganda utterly useless.

  • @maria49236

    @maria49236

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dems/MSM & our schools are a complete an utter disgrace for the opinions, speculations & outright lies they spew daily (unchallenged) as fact! I want to hear ALL sides of ant & all issues, then make up my own mind. The MSM & schools in particular, are hurting our youth especially because they (sadly) lack critical thinking skills & they believe whatever nonsense they're taught/told....

  • @dougcasey6117

    @dougcasey6117

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@maria49236 Dems< Oh please you right-wing FOX twat!

  • @Otingocni

    @Otingocni

    4 жыл бұрын

    When i read something like this all i hear is "my propaganda sources are great and the other sides is horrible". My point of view is that nearly all media is biased and poor these days. Of course I could be taking the comment completely wrong and you hate fox news oan etc just as bad and neglected to call them out equally for the same horrible excuse for journalism.

  • @MrSkinnyWhale
    @MrSkinnyWhale3 ай бұрын

    Can't believe Alex failed to ask the most important qustion of all: "Why are you geh?"

  • @shortscenes9338

    @shortscenes9338

    2 ай бұрын

    That question works both ways.

  • @vincentparisi2644

    @vincentparisi2644

    Ай бұрын

    Because he is physically attracted to men. Duh.

  • @ImPolonn

    @ImPolonn

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@shortscenes9338how so?

  • @Squaringlikeaboxofcoinflakes

    @Squaringlikeaboxofcoinflakes

    Ай бұрын

    @@shortscenes9338so does your mum.

  • @johns1625

    @johns1625

    Ай бұрын

    Who says I am geh?

  • @jacobboeser
    @jacobboeser2 ай бұрын

    This is my first time watching this channel. mainly because of Douglas Murray. I absolutely appreciate the way this discussion unravelled. I wouldn't describe this as an actual debate, definitely not an interview, But a very critical discussion.

  • @EllaGreenn

    @EllaGreenn

    Ай бұрын

    Yes, I got her via the same route. Also very impressed by this host.

  • @Hot4Thot
    @Hot4Thot4 жыл бұрын

    You are a genuinely good interviewer. I really like how you push him without being adversarial. I'll be watching more of your videos

  • @asdg199

    @asdg199

    3 жыл бұрын

    It was supposed to a debate not a interview...

  • @Zawadi_personal

    @Zawadi_personal

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@asdg199 I think it was still a debate. It's just that Alex wasn't disagreeing just for the sake of disagreement. When a solid argument was made or a decent response was given, he was able to accept the claim and move on, even if he didn't necessarily agree. Douglas did this as well, but to a lesser degree I think but I guess that's the aspect of the conversation that was more of an interview. I think it's also a given that Douglas was more informed on his position and therefore better able to stick to it than Alex was equipped to counter. So that's likely why it wasn't a back and forth kind of debate but more of a probing of the more certain side kind of debate.

  • @daaksanir

    @daaksanir

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am flabbergasted. Absolutely love these talks. This level of intellect.

  • @markclans3284

    @markclans3284

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. Bright guy.

  • @Slaytounge

    @Slaytounge

    3 жыл бұрын

    Just starting now. If you're right then I'm totally on board. We need more discussions like the one you described.

  • @erikkovacs3097
    @erikkovacs30974 жыл бұрын

    I've never seen Douglas Murray unshaven and dressed so casually.

  • @sifridbassoon

    @sifridbassoon

    4 жыл бұрын

    @White Brad Bad damn straight! (I love saying that all a gay man)

  • @Alan.Endicott

    @Alan.Endicott

    4 жыл бұрын

    I came for the dialogue, but I stayed for the eye candy. :-)

  • @TheShootist

    @TheShootist

    4 жыл бұрын

    the Jordan Peterson effect.

  • @dacebambite6444

    @dacebambite6444

    4 жыл бұрын

    And suddenly he is like 1000 times more attractive... ... Strange !

  • @sketcharmslong6289

    @sketcharmslong6289

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd smash

  • @mattiash966
    @mattiash96610 ай бұрын

    This is why I love Alex. He always makes the effort to represent the opposite view as charitable as possible. That’s the intellectual honest way, and that’s what’s make the discussion worthwhile.

  • @ShareAMeal77

    @ShareAMeal77

    9 ай бұрын

    The thing is there is a difference between the right view and the opposite view. They are light and dark. Truth and absence of truth.

  • @jennifers8843

    @jennifers8843

    8 ай бұрын

    @@ShareAMeal77🎯🎯🎯

  • @keithmackenzie7680

    @keithmackenzie7680

    7 ай бұрын

    I agree, but it frustrates me when he would reframe an argument as it is more likely be advanced by the people who make it, and Douglas would just dodge it and maneuver back to his framing. Like, when Alex pointed out that “our ancestors had hard lives too” doesn’t defeat the argument for reparations, because the argument is you are benefiting from that legacy NOW, and they are still suffering from that legacy NOW… I would’ve been very interested to hear Douglas response to that, but instead he took it back to “should we transfer money to Jewish people too?”

  • @nealkelly9757

    @nealkelly9757

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@keithmackenzie7680Reparations = Systemic racism

  • @davidgraham8058

    @davidgraham8058

    7 ай бұрын

    Yes he does, but I think he is too committed to it, especially when the opposite view had evidence bearing upon it. Being open-minded admirable but be careful that your brain doesn’t fall out.

  • @Hector-bj3ls
    @Hector-bj3ls5 ай бұрын

    That's a lovely quote. "Lies you know are lies are unwise". Words to live by if I heard them.

  • @Brokentongue
    @Brokentongue3 жыл бұрын

    I spent the entire interview distracted by the wallpaper.

  • @MarioRossi-sh4uk

    @MarioRossi-sh4uk

    3 жыл бұрын

    So true !!!! A neutral background would be better.

  • @henryburton6529

    @henryburton6529

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am buying some

  • @quinn.mcginley

    @quinn.mcginley

    3 жыл бұрын

    it’s like that white dot illusion where you only see the dots when you’re not looking directly at them

  • @thedarkness111

    @thedarkness111

    3 жыл бұрын

    😂 It's very loud. It's nice though.

  • @orangefield100

    @orangefield100

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me too . Mad crazy wallpaper,totally distracting

  • @sharathsh9987
    @sharathsh99874 жыл бұрын

    Goddammit, i'm way too distracted with that wallpaper

  • @andrewmckeown6786

    @andrewmckeown6786

    4 жыл бұрын

    DUDE!!!! First time that picture(seen many times) manifested its full brain bending patterned almost musical complexity to my eyes!! Fuck me I almost passed out

  • @Duconi

    @Duconi

    4 жыл бұрын

    Did you recognize that you can build stars with that pattern and a part of the star is also part of the star next to it?

  • @sharathsh9987

    @sharathsh9987

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Duconi I didn't notice that, but I actually was trying to fold the shapes and the patterns onto themselves in my head, like folding a cardboard box.

  • @Morrisopolous

    @Morrisopolous

    4 жыл бұрын

    You wankers. I wish hadn't read this as now I'm folding stars in to stars in to stars in to fucking more stars

  • @slipknot95maggot

    @slipknot95maggot

    4 жыл бұрын

    After reading five comments it's official: This is the realest talk on this entire comment section

  • @ERICREDGE
    @ERICREDGE4 ай бұрын

    It is very comforting to read the comments and see some viewers in depth understanding regarding the complexity of both views. Personally i love to watch both intellectuals, and perhaps not always fully understand the complexity of their respective views.

  • @stevepoole5043
    @stevepoole50439 ай бұрын

    The absolute best interiewers are the ones where, once the interview has finished, that you don't know the views of the interviewer. Now a debate is completely different as is a Q&A but I really enjoy my introduction to this channel.

  • @aaronmurrayhenson9686
    @aaronmurrayhenson96864 жыл бұрын

    Excellent show! It was refreshing to see an interviewer give Murray some seriously intelligent and good-faith pushback on his views. In most interviews I've seen with him, he's either being lambasted by accusations of (insert)phobia, or is simply talking to someone who already knows they agree with him on practically every issue (ie, Rubin Report).

  • @Metolius9

    @Metolius9

    3 жыл бұрын

    ‘I agree with that’

  • @Nuck-Fo0bZz
    @Nuck-Fo0bZz4 жыл бұрын

    "Well Twitter and the real world are different things of course." Sure wish certain people would learn that this is the case

  • @Metolius9

    @Metolius9

    3 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, certain people lack any properties that would facilitate learning anything of worth.

  • @Nuck-Fo0bZz

    @Nuck-Fo0bZz

    3 жыл бұрын

    @fynes leigh It [Well] serves to directly quote Douglas Murray's statement in its totality. Something you may find doesn't happen to often on Twitter. Now Twitter, if you aren't aware, is a "social media utility" quite comparable to a sound bite in form in that it requires all posts or replies to be 280 characters or less. It's a cesspool of vermin all seething in this orgy of outrage and virtue signaling. Lovely place really. If you haven't acquainted yourself with its majesty, I advise you to create an account immediately. You'll come to love yourself and fellow man more fully. This I guarantee to you. Would a guy with the number of the beast as a profile picture ever lie to a stranger on KZread? I dont think so.

  • @MusabNaveed

    @MusabNaveed

    3 жыл бұрын

    @fynes leigh I can't tell if you're being ironic or if you're genuinely confused.

  • @lukemcguire6363

    @lukemcguire6363

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised he admitted it, Elliot

  • @shinobi-no-bueno

    @shinobi-no-bueno

    2 жыл бұрын

    Really? Here in the US Twitter feeds are national news and drive public policy creation

  • @trossbin8108
    @trossbin81083 ай бұрын

    Wow. This was a GREAT interview brother. You even made me hold up my own views to scrutiny. This is the type of conversation that is missing in the US.

  • @izak5356

    @izak5356

    2 ай бұрын

    Probably because a lot of the "intellectual" thought leaders on the right like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder refuse to engage with qualified people that seriously push back against their ideas and instead "own the libs" by making gotcha youtube videos where they 'debate' non-media trained undergraduate students instead of actual qualified left wing intellectuals that have the debate/media training to call them out for the intellectually dishonest political agitators that they are. But yeah, I agree, US political discourse and their Overton window being so accepting of open white supremacy are a shit show that is socially 20 years behind many more civilized European countries and probably always will be.

  • @robovac3557

    @robovac3557

    2 ай бұрын

    America 2 dum

  • @markeviston8077

    @markeviston8077

    2 ай бұрын

    No it’s not…we just got the interweb a few weekends ago, and are watching Jerry Springer…we ain’t hicks, as far as we can figure. Good thing you’re helping

  • @jeffScotty
    @jeffScotty10 ай бұрын

    How excellent!! Really really wonderfully done. One of my favorite conventions on KZread, and it’s years old🥰🥰🥰

  • @aaronyoung8099
    @aaronyoung80994 жыл бұрын

    Scruffy Douglas is my new favorite version of Mr. Murray.

  • @FoxyFAsh

    @FoxyFAsh

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree. Scruffy Douglas is beautiful.

  • @heartman2013

    @heartman2013

    4 жыл бұрын

    Definitely seductive. Cosmic drank some water so early in the interview. He was THIRSTY.

  • @larikipe940

    @larikipe940

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FoxyFAsh Actually, to the list of accolades now bestowed upon our beautiful Douglas and his new look, I would add HOT AS FUCK!

  • @larikipe940

    @larikipe940

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Laurence D I completely disagree. Most (not all) handsome men are even more hot with a beard. And some guys who aren't all that attractive suddenly morph into a hottie because of a beard. I, for one, am so sick of the clean-cut look, so glad that has taken the back seat for a while. I hope the beard trend lasts a good long time. And when I say beard, I mean a nice, well-kept beard, not some ghastly, untamed, frightening rats nest.

  • @albertoweinrichter5397

    @albertoweinrichter5397

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Laurence D dude, you see enemies where there are none.

  • @seamusmcmullen9779
    @seamusmcmullen97794 жыл бұрын

    I’ve just spent 1/2 an hour listening but count how many shapes I can make out of that wallpaper

  • @fantasypgatour

    @fantasypgatour

    3 жыл бұрын

    I too was completely hypnotised by that back drop, I want it in my room now.

  • @strahipopovic9165

    @strahipopovic9165

    3 жыл бұрын

    It is merkaba...sparkle of life

  • @saje239
    @saje23910 ай бұрын

    I'm late getting here, but Douglas is right about the university system in the US. Since you have to pay regardless of the type of school you attend, and the costs are rising so much, "the college experience" has become a product. Students are able to make incredible demands of the staff and establishments because they're paying so much to be there. It's become an absurd setup.

  • @saje239

    @saje239

    7 ай бұрын

    I went to a community college, which is like the cheapest options you can get in the US, and it was around $7000 for 2 years tuition, not including books. Granted, I had assistance due to my father being in the military so I didn’t have to pay that. However, most of peers still had to take out student loans

  • @petermsiegel573

    @petermsiegel573

    6 ай бұрын

    @@heatherclark8668 I went to university in the US around that era. It was about $200 per semester. Later, when I went to graduate school, I was paid enough for room and board, as well as tuition (and I worked as a teaching assistant, which was fantastic). As someone else writes below, in effect: 'it cost a zillion dollars, but I was the one person of many who didn't pay that, because I had assistance.' Yep. Can't believe everything you read.

  • @RavenRedwood

    @RavenRedwood

    3 ай бұрын

    Abzurd indeed 🐸

  • @paramidge8935

    @paramidge8935

    3 ай бұрын

    We have allowed the same corrupt mess to establish itself in Britain - to the direct effect of a dumbing down in both debate, conduct and reasoning. The epistemologically unsound and ignorantly reductive state of many erstwhile cutting edge courses is depressing and deadly to the state of the British research base and dare I say, democratic process. The formally rigorous subjects, the humanities in general are being decimated cut by cut. This begins in the state schools where grammar schools, the cradle of British intellectual life are cutting subjects as diverse and essential as ancient history, music, the classics and drama/theatre studies. The idea for those in charge is to delimit the critical/analytical abilities in most of the population - reserving these skills and praxis for the fee paying students at 'public' school where the aforementioned subjects are not only available but encouraged in order to produce an intellectually trained, if not always intellectually gifted, elite.

  • @morenitomoreno1282

    @morenitomoreno1282

    3 ай бұрын

    1) Uk universities are also very expensive 2) French universities are subsidized by the government and (luckily) radical leftist ideologies are more widespread in my country

  • @urbangorilla33
    @urbangorilla339 ай бұрын

    I always find it curious when people are more concerned about the over-reach or arguably sub-optimal solutions that they are about the actual problem itself.

  • @myth1356

    @myth1356

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes

  • @gazlives

    @gazlives

    3 ай бұрын

    douglas seems to be saying the kind of racism, transphobia etc claimed by activists doesn't exist. and he's also saying their solutions don't work, rather than that they are sub-optimal

  • @urbangorilla33

    @urbangorilla33

    3 ай бұрын

    @@gazlives Well, he's wrong on the first point, and if he has better suggestion on the latter, then let's hear it. With these types we rarely do.

  • @georget.5048

    @georget.5048

    3 ай бұрын

    @@urbangorilla33 y'all misrepresented him. he said that they do exist, but are not endemic enough to warrant the actions taken and beliefs held of many people who fall under those groups. his solution is to calm down and think historically and facilitate public discourse in a way that can garner wider support instead of blaming and name-calling endlessly. not that I agree with everything he says, but I do like this levelheaded view on things.

  • @urbangorilla33

    @urbangorilla33

    3 ай бұрын

    @@georget.5048 That may be and I generally do agree with a sober and deliberate approach, and I'm not in favor of name-calling and vilifying. Still, he seems disingenuous to me.

  • @johnkelly8657
    @johnkelly86574 жыл бұрын

    My god! I remember when CosmicSkeptic was cheering on 50k subscribers and now he has Douglas Murray on!

  • @RWSB1000
    @RWSB10004 жыл бұрын

    Would not characterize this as a debate. Interview with Douglas would be a more appropriate title. Either way, pretty enjoyable.

  • @Scoring57

    @Scoring57

    4 жыл бұрын

    RWSB1000 Ha, you don't seem to like the idea of him being debated and challenged by someone like CosmicSkeptic

  • @milton7763

    @milton7763

    4 жыл бұрын

    RWSB1000 Indeed! More of a genuine, probing interview. And very well executed

  • @isiahguerrero6115

    @isiahguerrero6115

    4 жыл бұрын

    RWSB1000 fuckin SNOWFLAKE

  • @Daniel-fv1ff

    @Daniel-fv1ff

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think he wants to distance himself from Murray's views

  • @wreagfe

    @wreagfe

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Scoring57 What a weird statement and curious assumption to make. I took the OP as that the questions asked and the setup of the interaction wasn't a debate, i.e. antagonistic, but a normal conversation.

  • @trackingthealgorithm221
    @trackingthealgorithm2219 ай бұрын

    I came here for Mr Murray, Im subscribing for how cosmic skeptic conducted the interview. Very good!

  • @ClaytonDeMaine

    @ClaytonDeMaine

    2 ай бұрын

    Same.

  • @texluh

    @texluh

    Ай бұрын

    He's not always that good, if he's improved. I'll have a look

  • @Sydebern
    @Sydebern4 ай бұрын

    Amazing intelligent talk. Regarding where "the bad ideas themselves come from": I think that's rather simple in essence: Bad ideas make strong (false) identities/ego's AND they are easier to make identities out of. Where good ideas and true identity is always the harder, narrower path.

  • @imissthe90s83
    @imissthe90s834 жыл бұрын

    This is neither here nor there but isn't Murray one handsome man

  • @Jamie-Russell-CME

    @Jamie-Russell-CME

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can I agree, even though I am a homophobe?

  • @stewstudboy

    @stewstudboy

    4 жыл бұрын

    They are both quite handsome 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @andymeier7708

    @andymeier7708

    4 жыл бұрын

    No

  • @sneesus98

    @sneesus98

    4 жыл бұрын

    Novak Ingood a man can overpower you and wants to violate your orifices which can hurt badly, this is an attack, how could you not be afraid of gays, that's not too say there's any hatred, just fear

  • @jeanraspail2979

    @jeanraspail2979

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@sneesus98 wqw Www

  • @Sephiroth1538
    @Sephiroth15383 жыл бұрын

    Never seen someone push Douglas to pause to answer, or even reword his answers as many times in one interview. Brilliant from both participants.

  • @estefaniaboujon6830

    @estefaniaboujon6830

    3 жыл бұрын

    Its incredible that this kid Is only 20 years old

  • @chrisv384

    @chrisv384

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@estefaniaboujon6830 nah you can tell he is 20. Educated? yes. Indoctrinated? surely.

  • @cornsockgabz

    @cornsockgabz

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisv384 He is equable and civil during this entire discussion. It seems far more clear that Murray is indoctrinated into believing his own hype, not adequately countering the criticisms levied or unsubstantiated claims.

  • @AlwaysAC

    @AlwaysAC

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@chrisv384 if someone has applied critical thinking and studies various perspectives and still come to a different perspective from you it doesn’t actually mean they are indoctrinated. It is possible they just disagree with you.

  • @lukemcguire6363

    @lukemcguire6363

    2 жыл бұрын

    Alex is anything but indoctrinated. He questions himself and everyone as a rule, so... yeah, you just disagree with him. Alex is much more brilliant than that boomer. Hes so set in his ways. Its sad

  • @iangreaves7770
    @iangreaves7770Ай бұрын

    Douglas Murray is a voice of reason. I enjoyed this very much.

  • @douevnserfbro8229
    @douevnserfbro822911 ай бұрын

    You can't say enough about civil thoughtful debate combined with critically thinking human beings.

  • @boycebryan
    @boycebryan3 жыл бұрын

    just found your podcast. you play devil's advocate better than anyone else i've ever heard. most people do it half-heartedly or incompletely. thank you for always finding the lever points in the arguments on both sides

  • @frederickpatton8646

    @frederickpatton8646

    11 ай бұрын

    Wow! Is this some kind of British approach to interviewing? The interviewer seems to have no agenda, and there is no sensationalism to the questions. His only agenda is to get the interviewee to give clear and detailed answers. I dare say that there has never been an interview like this conducted by a US interviewer!

  • @cornonthecobbob5617
    @cornonthecobbob56174 жыл бұрын

    I have been intently following the two of your careers for awhile now. I love both of your minds and am glad that you are recording your conversations.

  • @Lagrangeify
    @Lagrangeify9 ай бұрын

    Alex is not remotely adversarial here, but he is making Murray work uncommonly hard for his supper, something one doesn't see too often in those settings you normally find the man. It's not Murray's fault that he tends to thrive when his opponents are clutching at their pearls and it does no good to fasten onto his haughtier tendencies when he is saying a great deal that's worthy of our deeper attention. Alex threads that needle.

  • @jasonmitchell5219
    @jasonmitchell52199 ай бұрын

    What a reasonable and well balanced interview. Thb, I don't have particularly strong views on these topics, partly because very little of it affects my life and most of the wide variety of people I know, although I do have my thoughts and mild concerns. Also, I sympathise with certain aspects of both sides but this is part of the problem, how dichotomous and polarising these issues have become. The hysteria and lack of sober fair-minded discussion, on both sides, is concerning. The ideological rigidity reminds me of many fundamentalist and literalist worldviews. Not having the courage for an attack on ones convictions is antithetical to an independent critical thinker.

  • @paulgduckworth
    @paulgduckworth4 жыл бұрын

    Wow. This interviewer is brilliant. I’ve never heard someone debate with Douglas quite this way, I’m a big fan of Doug Murray. I’m a big fan of you both now! Good work.

  • @mynewcolour

    @mynewcolour

    4 жыл бұрын

    Totally agree. He presses Murray well. For instance 54:40 Appealing to scientific consensus when convenient, after dismissing the most tested science in the history of mankind?

  • @almcdonald8676

    @almcdonald8676

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree. However I think Douglas pushes back rather effectively. Jordan Peterson has laid this groundwork much more effectively however; right up from the binary nature of sex up through the accumulation of sex specific psychological characteristics to the sex dependent occupational preferences exhibited in the most egalitarian societies, which is the best that current research has to offer

  • @mytmouse57

    @mytmouse57

    4 жыл бұрын

    They’re both master debaters.

  • @michawill6599

    @michawill6599

    4 жыл бұрын

    Right? He makes me proud to be a Brit. And I'm a Christian black woman

  • @jvgauthier

    @jvgauthier

    4 жыл бұрын

    No gotcha questions, no so-what-your-saying, no rage outburst, no 60 min interview conveniently frankensteined into a twitter compliant 20secs sound bite. Much better that way.

  • @residentpoltergeist
    @residentpoltergeist4 жыл бұрын

    Alex, this was honestly the best interview I've seen with Douglas. You two had a certain chemistry and it was obvious that you challenging him was to his great pleasure. It is in conversations like this one that I - as a non-native speaker from Germany - perceive the epitome of Anglo-Saxon, especially English culture of parlance. Our culture has always had a dire lack of such grace and I feel grateful for being able to listen and watching talks like this one. Best from Berlin, Alex

  • @johnnysturgis6904

    @johnnysturgis6904

    4 жыл бұрын

    Am English but just wanted to convey my admiration at your eloquence. You write especially well for a non-native and I'm inclined to agree with what you've said sir.

  • @residentpoltergeist

    @residentpoltergeist

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@johnnysturgis6904 Well, I speak much worse than I write! - but thank you, Sir, very gracious of you!

  • @catsaresocute650

    @catsaresocute650

    2 жыл бұрын

    Our cultrue does not and has never lacked that.

  • @JDT101

    @JDT101

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh they have chemistry alright... who is the top do you think?

  • @DanielWattsUK

    @DanielWattsUK

    Жыл бұрын

    Likewise RP you have a lovely style and I was grateful for the insight you shared about a view of English culture from the perspective of someone from the Continent. Thank you.

  • @margaretlawrence3385
    @margaretlawrence33854 ай бұрын

    You appear not to have read Helen Joyce’s “Trans”? It is a marvellous book and covers most aspects of this issue. Wonderful discussion.

  • @4651adri

    @4651adri

    3 ай бұрын

    I also felt like Alex was not well informed on the matter. The 'feels like a woman' claim has to be discussed before getting on with the rest of the conversation.

  • @ambientjohnny

    @ambientjohnny

    3 ай бұрын

    @@4651adri Especially since such claims are based entirely on regressive sexist notions of what it means to be a man or a woman.

  • @franslair2199

    @franslair2199

    Ай бұрын

    Helen Joyce who said "every single trans person is a huge problem to the sane world" and that it is "pushed by a cabal of Jewish billionaires"?

  • @capt.redbeard8361
    @capt.redbeard83617 ай бұрын

    What a wonderful conversation!

  • @chandir7752
    @chandir77523 жыл бұрын

    1:19:27 you say you'll have somebody on who represents the other side, has that already happened? If yes where can I find the conversation and if no when should I expect it to be available?

  • @lukemcguire6363

    @lukemcguire6363

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, what he said

  • @snoy98307
    @snoy983074 жыл бұрын

    Whenever I see Douglas's interviews I always feel there's a lack of proper questions that could have been asked. But you asked such important questions and in such a great way.

  • @heydannypark

    @heydannypark

    Жыл бұрын

    I totally agree, although I should admit that not only is this the first interview I've seen with Douglas Murray, it's the first I'd heard of him. And though I'm a big fan of Alex, this is the first of his interview segments I've seen. [I'm sorry CS! I'm very busy!] I was worried that CS would perhaps be in over his head, or would go too far in one direction or the other with respect to his interview style - too combative, or agreeable etc. I see I needn't have worried. Well done Alex. I can't say the same for Mr. Murray. If he doesn't understand drag and the use of props being used from the Era of 1st-Wave Feminism, Trans issues, and the differences between them, then he's not in on the joke. [Nobody tell him]. Protests are bad, unless it's the American Civil Rights protests because they were so dignified and didn't inconvenience others? Had he heard of Rosa Parks prior to this interview? Had he never wikied "Selma Bus Boycott? " Black people shouldn't even be considered for reparations because, 'What about the Jews?' and "Where does it stop?" I don't know, Mr. Murray, but I know with whom it does not start. [And when it comes to Jews, that should perhaps be a question for Germany, no? Get your white genociders straight, sir, and good day!] And we shouldn't be devoting a quarter of our minds to the Trans movement? It would appear that you, Mr. Murray are the only one devoting so much to them, and making a few bucks in the process. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Jordan Peterson, minus all that charm!

  • @dontworryaboutit5490

    @dontworryaboutit5490

    Жыл бұрын

    @@heydannypark cringe

  • @briangueringer3673

    @briangueringer3673

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@Daniel C. Harkins Jr. What lol? Murray is a class act from everything I have seen of him. He is also a gay man. So he does have up close and personal experience with that issue. The point he makes about the trans movement hurting gays by erasing them is brilliant and one I have never thought of. More and more detranstion stories are coming out and they actually share that very same point. They wish they had just been a gay male.. Brison Bpyce has a KZread channel that has alot of interviews with detrans people as well as some interviews of endocrinologist which are really eye opening on the point on what is happening with children. You are simply wrong.

  • @kj_H65f

    @kj_H65f

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@dontworryaboutit5490 wow what a great point, excellent rebuttal

  • @kj_H65f

    @kj_H65f

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@briangueringer3673 being gay doesn't absolve him from anti lgbtq bigotry. Jewish nazis also exist.

  • @demadddis96
    @demadddis963 ай бұрын

    Love your Intro/Outro Track! Can I listen to it somewhere in more length?

  • @Broseph37
    @Broseph374 ай бұрын

    Good afternoon (US) Alex, I was wondering if you’ve ever read or listened to anything from John Lennox potentially?

  • @Broseph37

    @Broseph37

    4 ай бұрын

    I only responded on this message because it’s older and maybe easier to spot

  • @spridle
    @spridle3 жыл бұрын

    Usually I stumble across videos and wonder 'How in the world does he have that many subscribers?' But with you, I can see why so many sub to you. You've really earned it being good at what you do. Well done!

  • @sleeth
    @sleeth3 жыл бұрын

    I couldn't always tell if your questioning was to push Douglas for detailed answers or whether you genuinely had an opposing view. A good interviewer and an interesting interview!

  • @larjkok1184

    @larjkok1184

    3 жыл бұрын

    The purpose is to dig down, play devils advocate.

  • @Jozaaaa

    @Jozaaaa

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@larjkok1184 nope. Alex actually believes these things and the only reason he played friendly is to not embarrass Dougie any further. At one point around 40:30 Alex nervously laughs because Dougie is having trouble even stringing up a sentence. Doug is a pathetic excuse for a person

  • @CharliHarveyMusic

    @CharliHarveyMusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    "I liked it because i didn't have to think about whether i was wrong or not"

  • @mattbritzius570

    @mattbritzius570

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Jozaaaa Lmao you could play a movie on the side of a skyscraper in 4K ultra HD with projection that powerful

  • @jpa_fasty3997

    @jpa_fasty3997

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Jozaaaa Out of the few hundred comments I read during this interview yours was the most uncharitable, rude, confident and wrong, in a way that only a true ignoramus could muster. Congrats!

  • @brucegemmell730
    @brucegemmell7302 ай бұрын

    Great discussion. One thing that may be an indicator of the severity of a governmental institutional, or personal oppression is the ability to be able to speak about it.

  • @kierasthoughts2480
    @kierasthoughts24809 ай бұрын

    This is a great discussion. You have good interview skills, Alex, and I truly enjoy Douglas Murray.

  • @fiachoconnor
    @fiachoconnor4 жыл бұрын

    Alex O'Connor, excellent job! What a great interviewer. Kept Douglas on his toes in some parts which is no mean feat!! Great job for both parties. I got sucked in. Very enjoyable

  • @rich1701
    @rich17014 жыл бұрын

    Douglas has gone from pasty nerd to rugged hunk.

  • @miles2gify

    @miles2gify

    4 жыл бұрын

    Haha yeh he's hench

  • @MostlyLoveOfMusic

    @MostlyLoveOfMusic

    4 жыл бұрын

    I am sure he fancies Alex too cos he's objectively pretty cute

  • @chrisucl

    @chrisucl

    4 жыл бұрын

    He literally doesn't even look like the same person. Just shows that a tan and some scruff can make a person go from geek to hot.

  • @captainmaim

    @captainmaim

    4 жыл бұрын

    I bet Douglas picks up a rock every time someone calls him a name... he's done a lot of lifting.

  • @aprilcox871

    @aprilcox871

    4 жыл бұрын

    from twink to bear

  • @susanschreiber8752
    @susanschreiber87523 ай бұрын

    Great interview! Thanks!

  • @vigator1301
    @vigator13015 ай бұрын

    What's Murray saying around 1:17:10? Tife? Tive? Been trying different spellings with no luck.

  • @unforgetting1

    @unforgetting1

    Ай бұрын

    Tithe - a tax people used to pay to the church

  • @vigator1301

    @vigator1301

    Ай бұрын

    @@unforgetting1 thank you internet hero!

  • @garfieldseviltwin97
    @garfieldseviltwin973 жыл бұрын

    I love how Cosmic Sceptic doesn't deny the guest's reality while still trying to challenge his views in such a polite, honest and good-faith way. Respect!

  • @Pheer777

    @Pheer777

    2 жыл бұрын

    There is only one reality, so it's not wrong to try to actually deny and challenge someone's views. Understanding that there are different vantage points from which to view reality.

  • @GeroG3N

    @GeroG3N

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's because Alex agrees with Douglas, he is just playing Devil's Advocate

  • @luswyr8254

    @luswyr8254

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Exactly, I like how Alex will sometimes play devils advocate with his guests

  • @philosophical.dishwasher

    @philosophical.dishwasher

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@GeroG3N what gives you the impression he is playing Devil's Advocate?

  • @angryfoetus

    @angryfoetus

    Жыл бұрын

    I just wish he’d move a step further. He exposed Murray a few times without Murray realising it. It would have been good if he’d let him know.

  • @robotpanda77
    @robotpanda77 Жыл бұрын

    I am impressed that the interviewer listened to his guest and challenged him on what he said rather then ignoring his answer saying "right" and then jumping to the next question on his script.

  • @livdahlberg4191
    @livdahlberg41919 ай бұрын

    Again, such a good conversation to listen to. Feeling grateful 😉☺️. As for the very important last part on the fixation on identity… As much as the identification with oneself as a person, the doer so to speak, is basically the one thing that obscures the view of human beings, I would say in the case of particular obsessions with identities, such as sex, etnicity, religion, race, gender and ideology, the problem starts when the narcissistic dynamics takes over. As we have seen, anything can become a cult, and decent folks can become sect members on a very large scale, losing common sense, empathy and decency. Yet it is in that order. The existence of genuine transsexuals or people with this or that belief about the divine or about society, does not in and of itself cause a war. Narcissists (or whatever you choose to call them, people with no genuine emotional empathy, people with a different psychological mechanism and a different motivation from that of ordinary doing what we can to get by-folks…) do. We all have a place and a role to play. Just saying that I think most thinking om this misses the mark, not seeing that aspect of what is happening clearly enough…

  • @owaisahmed91

    @owaisahmed91

    6 ай бұрын

    I'm a big fan of Alex's content, but when they were talking about sex and gender they made zero mention of ANY studies on the matter. It seemed like they start with “we know for sure that there are only two sexes, and no research has shown otherwise" and Alex said he would support further research. The problem with this is that there are plenty of studies on it. Then, at the very least, they should be talking about why they think those aren't valid. There's a video "sex and sensibility" by Forrest Valkai that talks about this topic with a long list of studies at the end of the video.

  • @julesmeyeri2056
    @julesmeyeri20562 ай бұрын

    Really enjoyable and entertaining as well as educational and a well balanced chat and sound opinions

  • @Jide-bq9yf
    @Jide-bq9yf3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never seen as formidable an interlocutor as Douglas Murray so rigorously engaged with . He really had to step up his game with this quick witted young men . Whose clarity of thought and lucidity of expression is impressive way beyond his years .

  • @TheWorldsStage

    @TheWorldsStage

    3 жыл бұрын

    None of these popular contrarians, like Murray, Harris, Peterson, Shapiro, etc. have ever had their views legitimately challenged. They do everything they can to avoid any real or serious conversations by only talking to under-educated young people or by "debating" with random people on the street who aren't prepared for any type of arguing.

  • @Jide-bq9yf

    @Jide-bq9yf

    3 жыл бұрын

    Whitney for real . If they stumble into a fight with a monster intellect , in this age of nano second mass circulation , that’s a carefully cultivated career of narrow rationalist proselytism up in smoke . So they curate ( carefully )

  • @jamesedwards366

    @jamesedwards366

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are blowing so much smoke up his rectum when he’s just a poor mans C Hitchens.

  • @Jide-bq9yf

    @Jide-bq9yf

    3 жыл бұрын

    James Gillings ; “a poor man’s C Hitchens” . Hilarious , if he keeps at It . Say about 5 - 10 years voracious reading and unstinting skepticism , I’m sure he will have done a lot more to earn to your respect .

  • @Jide-bq9yf

    @Jide-bq9yf

    3 жыл бұрын

    James Gillings how about we test Jordan’s dismissive reading of postmodernism by him being pitted against a a true Rottweiler of the school , not Zizek who , lovely man though he might be is as incoherent as they come . But I’ll definitely check out the Maajid / Murray debate . 👍🏽

  • @jamesmatthews5525
    @jamesmatthews55254 жыл бұрын

    "Critical inteview" would be a more appropriate title, however, the video is still amazing

  • @gelatinocyte6270

    @gelatinocyte6270

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah you're right. There's barely any debate going on, and most of the feedback seems to imply that the interviewer is merely playing the devil's advocate. It's like it's another one of those faux debates where two pundits from the same side having a talk, and almost nothing is contributed to the discourse; where the goal isn't to make the listeners rethink any preconceived knowledge.

  • @ryanzacsanders
    @ryanzacsanders8 ай бұрын

    Great interview. Thanks

  • @donquijotedelamancha3529
    @donquijotedelamancha35294 ай бұрын

    Great content. Thanks for your hard work.

  • @dkazmer2
    @dkazmer24 жыл бұрын

    You said it, this is more of a _challenge_ session than a "debate"

  • @0xGunter
    @0xGunter4 жыл бұрын

    I watch a lot of political and intellectual things on KZread. This was one of the best and most thought provoking conversations I’ve seen in a long time. Awesome content and interviewing here sir.

  • @simmer484

    @simmer484

    4 жыл бұрын

    exceptional interviewer

  • @wreagfe

    @wreagfe

    4 жыл бұрын

    You haven't seen it much because the KZread algorithm doesn't like it.

  • @romeyjondorf

    @romeyjondorf

    8 ай бұрын

    @@asimhussain8716 Dayum broooo

  • @lisacole850
    @lisacole85011 ай бұрын

    History is there for us to learn from not for any one group to try throw blame around and then require claim - if this ever begins countries will fall

  • @tonirose6776
    @tonirose67763 ай бұрын

    What a stimulating session that flew by because it was so riveting. It's something to brag about that you can challenge Douglas Murray! Thank you so much, Alex.

  • @aidanchapman8548

    @aidanchapman8548

    3 ай бұрын

    Any expert in debate could challenge Douglas Murray. Look at who he debates. It's never anyone who can in any way challenge him. He will not debate Finkelstein for example.

  • @Boethius411

    @Boethius411

    3 ай бұрын

    @@aidanchapman8548you’re kidding? Fink can’t hold up against Dershowitz. He’s a useful idiot for Sheik Nabil Kaouk and his other Hezbollah backers. He should just go back to Lebanon and live with them permanently

  • @Bobsbarn
    @Bobsbarn4 жыл бұрын

    I agree with Douglas Murray. My daughter ask me what is the point of history? I told her the point of history is to learn and remember not to repeat all the bad stuff that has happened in the world. I’ve never thought retrospective blame is a useful or justified action to punish future generations for something they had no control over. Remember history don’t escalate it. There’s far to many people using blame to make themselves feel better. Instead of protest and blame we should have question and solution.

  • @b_g_c3281

    @b_g_c3281

    4 жыл бұрын

    WELL SAID, good sir!!!

  • @magicbanana3393

    @magicbanana3393

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jim Laslett Psychology, Economics, Political Science, and Philosophy can pickup principles from history to come up with why some event is bad, how some things are prone to setting up that bad event, and if taken seriously, stop the event from repeating. Historians should do their thing, but screw history classes in k-8. I believe K-8, should setup history classes as detective games, where people are given evidence and people come up with arguments on what happened. The rest of the time that would be used for social studies, is used to study simplified concepts in the fields mentioned above.

  • @abigailslade3824

    @abigailslade3824

    4 жыл бұрын

    This is exactly why I believe history is important and too often ignored.

  • @sirrathersplendid4825

    @sirrathersplendid4825

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jim Laslett - Your idea on the purpose of history is far too narrow. History is the warp and weft of the tapestry of life. It provides texture and a background commentary to everything we do. It gives purpose to the past and a direction for the future. Without history, our short lives would be so shallow and two-dimensional.

  • @Bobsbarn

    @Bobsbarn

    4 жыл бұрын

    John Eskins yep there is a lot more to history, I thought I’d keep the reason for history lessons short and positive as thirteen year old kids tend to have a short concentration span. I’m mean you could easily go into DNA, space and evolution the possibilities are endless! The question from the child was in the context of war

  • @AA-tb6sc
    @AA-tb6sc3 жыл бұрын

    This is the first time in a long time that I listen to an interview and am unable to tell which side of any issue the interviewer falls on. In most interviews (especially with controversial characters like Douglas Murray) it becomes very clear in the first 5-7 minutes which side of any debate the interviewer is on, this was really refreshing! I'm black and female and liberal but I'm sick of seeing the politically correct mob try insisting that black people and women be treated like sensitive babies who can't handle critical intellectual engagement with some of our characteristics in a way that it's perfectly accepted for things about "straight white men" to be so interrogated (e.g the hysteria over charles murray and his research). It's annoying to even have to make those qualifications about my "identity", but when I'm expressing these views online I'm often accused of being an angry straight white man just based off my holding them lol. Anyways, subscribed here and on Spotify, keep up the good work :)

  • @danthelambboy

    @danthelambboy

    3 жыл бұрын

    Although I am not on the receiving end like you are of this undermining of black people and women I think it is just terrible and can't stand it. it is entirely counter productive to empowering the black women who could actually do with empowerment. What you describe is what Sargon of Akkad refers to as "the bigotry of low expectations'' where assumptions about black people are made as though they are innately more emotionally vulnerable, innately lacking in power, unable as individuals to perform better than white people so white people must have a handicap. we can see this bigotry in the lack of criticism for hip hops views on women where the same people would criticise that culture if white people were involved, we see this with calls to hire black people not for their expertise but for their skin colour which devalues their ability to hold expertise and increases the considerations placed on their skin colour alone, we see this when people make excuses for foreign religious cultures disrespect of women claiming that those cultural element should be respected because they are "others''. this bigotry of low expectation is an exclusion of black people into white social networks as social networks require an understanding of the behaviour that is expected.

  • @nozemsagogo868

    @nozemsagogo868

    3 жыл бұрын

    The interviewer is not on Murray's side of the issues. If you look at his content he gave a speech about how veganism is a moral imperative which gives you some idea of his politics. He is an astute and engaged listener and questioner which gives him an agreeable affect but he is disagreeing with Murray and trying to pull the other way on every issue. And particularly on the reparations issue they felt very far apart and unable to meet.

  • @GeorgiaEnglish88

    @GeorgiaEnglish88

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nozemsagogo868 I agree that alex seems to disagree to some extent. However, the fact that he invited Douglas Murray on his podcast at all is telling. In a lot of instances it almost appeared as if Alex was playing dumb rather than expressing vigorous opposition. Alex is too smart to not comprehend the arguments, which makes it suspicious that he appeared not to in a couple instances. It makes me wonder if he is soft-pedaling to avoid problems.

  • @larjkok1184

    @larjkok1184

    3 жыл бұрын

    Haha! Well done, and well said.

  • @mackhomie6

    @mackhomie6

    3 жыл бұрын

    that's because often times it truly is white guys pretending to be black just to attempt to lessen the perception of bigotry inherent in their views

  • @franciscorodriguez9714
    @franciscorodriguez97147 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview. Just wanted to kudos.

  • @jamesbyrne989
    @jamesbyrne9895 ай бұрын

    Really enjoyed that discussion well done

  • @MFYouTube683
    @MFYouTube6834 жыл бұрын

    Why can‘t everyone debate like this? This is so immensely valuable, I have nothing but respect and gratitude for those two!

  • @selfcriticalthought596

    @selfcriticalthought596

    4 жыл бұрын

    In essence, because it takes a long time.

  • @FigmentHF

    @FigmentHF

    4 жыл бұрын

    Because Alex doesn’t have a passionate conviction in the arguments he’s making. So there is a lack of emotion. Most debates are between two people who care deeply about their arguments, to the point where they define their characters.

  • @amugsgame9936

    @amugsgame9936

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@FigmentHF That is actually an excellent point. Which is a good thing for the most part but I just wish Alex could have pushed back a bit more because so much of what Murray said was either incoherent or hypocritical...so so many strawmen and misrepresentations too. Alex seems like a good guy though.

  • @selfcriticalthought596

    @selfcriticalthought596

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Deferential Introspector I never said it was

  • @elvisleeboy

    @elvisleeboy

    3 жыл бұрын

    Because people are too often motivated by wanting to win, as well as getting applause and approval, rather than being motivated by a wish to learn. Certainty is a foolish standpoint to take. This conversational method is far more effective.

  • @NZAnimeManga
    @NZAnimeManga4 жыл бұрын

    Good chat, well thought through devil’s advocate challenges too! Kudos to the host.

  • @timelapsega
    @timelapsega11 ай бұрын

    At some point we need to acknowledge that regardless of your gender, race, sexuality, political leanings, religious belief, you can be a good person or a total POS. There is too much generalizing going on in the world today, white = bad, straight = bad, black = good, trans = good. It makes people in certain groups feel like they can do no wrong and people in other groups feel like they are inherently bad people just because they have the same skin color as people that did bad things a long time ago. We're all human and all capable of the best and worst things humans can do, it's your actions that should matter. At some point we have to just put all of this shit behind us and move on/look towards the future, because at this rate we're just going to destroy eachother. Earth is our cosmic liferaft and we're all stuck here together for a very brief period of time and its full of wonderful things to see and experience. Get offline and go outside, you'll realize that a lot of the "problems" that you cant escape online completely evaporate. Conflict and anger aren't going to bring you happiness, and I promise no one is going to be on their deathbed wishing they had spent more time online or protesting. Time is a precious resource, spend it doing things you love with people you love. If you're under 20 and reading this understand that as long as a year feels like right now it doesn't feel like that forever, they go by exponentially faster, you'll be 40 before you know it. Just be nice to eachother.

  • @GlenOneN
    @GlenOneN5 ай бұрын

    I'm just watching this right after the Peter Hitchens 'interview'. I noticed something at 1:07 in this interview... which reminded me of time index 2:23 on Peter's discussion.... can you tell me if you spotted it too?

  • @spectrepar2458

    @spectrepar2458

    5 ай бұрын

    "So far"

  • @andrewdryden4148
    @andrewdryden41483 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic interview. I couldn't encourage this type of dialog and conversation enough. It's so refreshing to listen to two people respectfully discuss ideas together.

  • @alwayswatching4351

    @alwayswatching4351

    11 ай бұрын

    I sure like it when people are polite to white supremacists! Had we done that in the 1930s, WW2 would never have happened! Idiot.

  • @kellyeldridge1685
    @kellyeldridge16853 жыл бұрын

    This is one of my favorite interviews anywhere of all time. Brilliantly simple and totally complex. Thanks gentlemen!

  • @kratos.8151

    @kratos.8151

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a big leftie. Douglas Murray would be a lot more likeable if he did interviews like this more often than the usual right wing nut jobs

  • @sebastianradlmeier8922

    @sebastianradlmeier8922

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kratos.8151 How u like ripping Hercules apart?

  • @glennhowell923
    @glennhowell92311 ай бұрын

    A breath of fresh air - one of the best interviewers around. And thank you for the way Douglas Murray was treated with respect!

  • @mrood8965
    @mrood89653 ай бұрын

    Incredibly pleasant talk to listen to, kudos!

  • @douganceK
    @douganceK4 жыл бұрын

    I like Douglas Murray. It's refreshing though to have pushback when interviewing him.

  • @brockmeeks1695

    @brockmeeks1695

    4 жыл бұрын

    Dougence K I wish it were better push back. This guy seems nice and smart but he isn’t as smart as he thinks he is. “ you have to have proof if you’re going to say that the non-binaries are off base.” Well, no you don’t. Show them a biology book and leave it with them. It’s their job to prove such a radical claim in the face of biological facts. Most of the other times when he tries to disagree he just winds up agreeing with him in the first two sentences of his explanation. 🤣 as somebody said up thread he’s got a real case of having to be the smartest guy in the room even when he sitting next to someone like Murray. Maybe he was nervous I don’t know this guys content.

  • @dontyoufuckinguwume8201

    @dontyoufuckinguwume8201

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@brockmeeks1695 'biology book' lmao, to determine what is and what's not 'off base' you'd have to look into philosophy of gender LITERATURE, philosophy of language LITERATURE, genetics literature, psychology literature, psychiatry literature, sociology literature and more, not a 'biology book' whatever that means. Edit: biology LITERATURE too

  • @democraticdialogue7271

    @democraticdialogue7271

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@brockmeeks1695 true, non - binary identity is not credible and provable by any science whatsoever, the onus is on them to prove this bizarre notion.

  • @dontyoufuckinguwume8201

    @dontyoufuckinguwume8201

    4 жыл бұрын

    @TheWhiteWhale i am making the argument that the issue is much more broad and complex than the guy suggests.

  • @milton7763

    @milton7763

    4 жыл бұрын

    Brock Meeks Why do there appear to be so many people like you nowadays that can’t seem to be able to deal with someone probing the logic of your intellectual hero. What makes this interviewer ‘want to be the smartest guy in the room’ just because he challenges the interviewee on their logic? His ‘proof...non-binaries’ statement firstly says: “give me some of the facts to back up your opinion”, an honest challenge to an interviewee who (rightly) states that all the LGBTQRSUVWXYZ fanatics need to come up with some more solid evidence of their opinions before going as drastic as operating on children etc. Secondly, that statement builds up to a challenge of Murray’s earlier argumentation against the extinction rebellion protesters. All this interviewer does is calmly probe Murray’s logic (which he appears to agree with most of the time, although he’s very professional in keeping his own opinion out of it) and pointing out where Murray may be taking some short-cuts that lead him to set a bit of a double standard (in limited occasions)

  • @toluca56
    @toluca563 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, CosmicSkeptic, for being willing to have a civil dialogue on such controversial topics, even if you are in disagreement with Murray's point of view. We need more of this. My hat is off to you for demonstrating genuine courtesy and willingness to at least listen to the other side. So little of this seems to happen these days. For this reason you have my respect.

  • @pichart
    @pichart11 ай бұрын

    This wasn’t a debate. It was an interview.

  • @julius43461

    @julius43461

    11 ай бұрын

    It's kind of a hybrid. It's like an interview with a decent pushback.

  • @tjpopp8688

    @tjpopp8688

    2 ай бұрын

    Alex demonstrates the best version of Critical Theory I’ve ever seen. Respectfully criticize the other person’s theory with reasonable counterpoints, but then also give them the opportunity explain that specific issue.

  • @Axelortega
    @Axelortega4 жыл бұрын

    Whether one doesnt support his ideas, really, how many here can support that Douglas Murray looks hella fresh with that beard?

  • @austinlittle6154

    @austinlittle6154

    4 жыл бұрын

    If I was gay, let me tell ya... Rock that world.

  • @ridingsman9384

    @ridingsman9384

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@austinlittle6154 stop objectifying this man's beard...

  • @TheYawun

    @TheYawun

    4 жыл бұрын

    I support his ideas and his beard.

  • @l.ronhubbard5445

    @l.ronhubbard5445

    4 жыл бұрын

    Is this the circle jerk? Been looking for you guys

  • @Leelee-Brown

    @Leelee-Brown

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't support his ideas, but I DO support the beard.

  • @amissbennet
    @amissbennet3 жыл бұрын

    I love that Alex finds points to agree on, as well as to challenge. It's great to see that we're not just accelerating away from each other

  • @patrickkilroy6512
    @patrickkilroy651210 ай бұрын

    I'm Irish and at 29:00 when Douglas makes the point that Irish nationalism was greatly harmed by the terrorist tactics of the IRA I had to completely agree. I love my country and it's independence is and was a worthy cause, but precisely for that reason the amount of violence in the last 100 years of my country's history pains me greatly. The moment it all spirals out of control is 1916 when, in the middle of WW1 when the Home Rule process was put on hiatus, the IRB staged the violent Easter Rising. Most Irish people condemned the violence, but when the British reacted to this as an act of treason and had most of the participants shot, the country erupted in outrage. This culminated in the War of Independence, when just 3 years earlier the country had been working steadily towards a diplomatic peaceful advancement in the cause of self-governance. And the settlement of that war then gave way to senseless Civil War within the newly independent Republic of Ireland. And the outstanding issue of the 6 Northern counties was exacerbated by the threat northern Protestants felt from the IRA across the border in the Republic. Though it is undeniable that Catholics were oppressed in the North by a slim Protestant majority, the prevalence of paramilitary violence against one another and the terroristic bombing of innocent civilians and assassination of politicians was just an unmitigated disgrace and disaster on both sides. Yet in Ireland today we have a horrible proclivity to declare moments like 1916 to be days of national celebration, as part of the larger heroic mythology of our struggle for independence, even though I see it as the forerunner of the Troubles in legitimising in people's minds that form of violent "political" struggle. Can't get what you want? Just break out the guns lads. People are way too good at excusing bad behaviour when they're the ones benefiting from it.

  • @sayso2135

    @sayso2135

    7 ай бұрын

    It's difficult to beat a military regime without guns. Sure, perhaps if Irish people waited long enough then Britain would generously allow them to have their country back. However I think military action was more than justified in 1916. And you can't deny that the 1916 Rising was the inciting moment that directly caused independence. You seem to be portraying Britain as some totally non-violent steward of Ireland, which I think goes beyond charitable into delusional.

  • @patrickkilroy6512

    @patrickkilroy6512

    7 ай бұрын

    @@sayso2135 Well I completely disagree that 1916’s was justified at the time. It is only justifiable in retrospect with reference to nationalist sentiment, because we know “it all worked out it the end”. Had it failed it would’ve been a complete bloody catastrophe that may have even set Irish independence back 100 years. History gives people the delusion that they can apply consequentialist ethics to large events, when this is of course as wrong in the past as it is now, because our ancestors couldn’t see the future any more than we can now. I did not claim at all that Britain, over the course of its rule of Ireland, was just a “benign steward”. After all, the Great Famine occurred in the same century as the Home Rule movement, and that after Daniel O’Connel had only just achieved political representation for Ireland’s Catholic majority in Parliament. But that doesn’t mean that the peaceful route to independence wasn’t preferable to the chaotic and violent route. The Home Rule movement was making progress, just as Daniel O’Connell had made progress. Britain was civilised enough to permit such progress, which is reason enough not to get violent as anything other than a last resort. 1916 was not a last resort, it was the romantic and overzealous project of men like Pádraig Pearse, who couldn’t wait to be martyred and be the man to turn history’s wheels. Out of all the Empires on earth at the time, the British Empire was the most humane and civilised, and that’s a fact. Nowadays we think of all Empires as being equally illegitimate, but this is an ahistorical and privileged notion permitted only by our current remarkable circumstances in the free west (and even that is only permitted by American global power, which is just an effort at a global hegemony that is more hands off and humane than even the British empire, which, I get the impression, walked so America could run). Ireland was in a uniquely subjugated position within that vast British polity, but as such had a uniquely long relationship with Britain which has affected our culture profoundly in ways we seem to take for granted. Such as our system of common law, our attitude towards policing, our parliamentarianism, our great tradition of writers (almost all of whom are experts in the English language), our architecture, our manners, our ethics, etc. In my opinion the delusional thing is to deny these things, portray Britain as a brute hunched over our virgin land, justify violence in the past, and then shrink from it in the present when it might actually affect us and our children more obviously. I contend that you should think about the outbreak of violence in the past as seriously as you would think about it’s outbreak today. My parents and grandparents lived through the Troubles, most of which didn’t directly affect them in the South, yet they still remember it with horror. Stands to reason that people were against 1916 in its day for similar reasons, except it was worse because they’d be right in the thick of it. Looking back, 1916 set Ireland on a path to war with Britain, a Civil War afterwards, and even the Troubles in Northern Ireland. That alone should make it the object of intense scrutiny. It brought the gun into Irish politics, which was a notoriously difficult to get out. I’m very skeptical about Revolutionary traditions in places like France and Russia, not to mention the various military juntas of Africa and the Middle East, so I’d be a hypocrite not to scrutinise the revolutionary tradition right under my own nose. The Irish are very fond of telling larger nations to take responsibility for their actions. That should cut both ways.

  • @leinsterfan1802

    @leinsterfan1802

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@patrickkilroy6512West Brit. Go suckle from London's teet. 😂

  • @leinsterfan1802

    @leinsterfan1802

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@patrickkilroy6512You clearly have been watching too many David Starkey lectures with an unhealthy dollop of self-hating Ruth Dudley Edwards for good measure.

  • @cahillgreg

    @cahillgreg

    4 ай бұрын

    @@patrickkilroy6512 Empires are built on belligerence; they engender violence - it's endemic to their functioning. The British Empire claimed the sole right to exercise violence in Ireland - others pointedly denied them that right. You can configure an arbitrary moral universe and orientate yourself in relation to others' past expressions of aggression but that's simply you performing your personal pantomime - a fanciful imagining and enactment of an identity you find flattering.

  • @ciciolhaaqui
    @ciciolhaaqui2 ай бұрын

    This was AMAZING!

  • @SoumiSenguptaBDS
    @SoumiSenguptaBDS3 жыл бұрын

    This dude O'Conner is somebody to watch as he rises.

  • @kianaspinall6320
    @kianaspinall63204 жыл бұрын

    Could you do a podcast with a leftist? I.e Jason Hickel or Ash Sarkar? Would be interesting to see your perspectives on left-wing politics.

  • @gekkobear1650

    @gekkobear1650

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think this fanbase leans kinda right and he's def worried about pissing them off

  • @kianaspinall6320

    @kianaspinall6320

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@gekkobear1650 I get that. Would just be interesting to see how Alex would respond to a capable sociologist for example, as Douglas says here that our society is not racist/sexist etc. However, this is completely overlooking the work of Kehinde Andrews/Akala/Paul Gilroy etc. But, if Alex is as interested in the truth as he says he is, then surely that would surpass the wants of some right wingers...

  • @jacksonbrown4112

    @jacksonbrown4112

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hahah you can't be taken serious when you mention Ash. A far left self professed communist. Would you give the same time and ground to a far right? You also mention akala.....again....can't be taken serious.

  • @hannesjakobsson765

    @hannesjakobsson765

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@gekkobear1650 Isn't Alex a leftist?

  • @calebr7199

    @calebr7199

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jacksonbrown4112 So you don't believe in free examination of ideas. Quite sad really.

  • @magicalfrijoles6766
    @magicalfrijoles67662 ай бұрын

    At the risk of focusing on the minutia, I'm in love with the wallpaper.

  • @christianmerrett2833
    @christianmerrett28333 ай бұрын

    Great job Alex. Douglas Murray was really engaged. What a brilliant interview!

  • @guitarmetaldemon
    @guitarmetaldemon3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I've listened to about four different interviews with Murray, but this one is the best one. Alex asks the correct questions the right way. Tough, tough interviewer without being antagonistic. He's just getting right down to the meat and potatoes.

  • @johnAsanz
    @johnAsanz4 жыл бұрын

    I've been hypnotized by the wallpaper. Great chat.

  • @davidmeijer1645

    @davidmeijer1645

    4 жыл бұрын

    I get the 3D cubes, but I'm puzzled by all the diagonal lines...

  • @lukemcguire6363

    @lukemcguire6363

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've seen so so many people comment on this. I finally have to admit - I didnt even notice it. Now I have to go back and check it out

  • @texluh
    @texluhАй бұрын

    Before I watch it, I'm already thinking why did you bother Douglas? But I'll definitely give it a watch - and fur that reason I have to give credit all round.

  • @robertrussell2202
    @robertrussell220210 ай бұрын

    Douglas articulated himself very well here

  • @alexking7676
    @alexking76764 жыл бұрын

    Interviewer seems to have a really good grasp of logic and argumentation - good to see challenges made without egos, well done :)

  • @fwhitey7686

    @fwhitey7686

    3 ай бұрын

    Maybe Socratic logic games/ questioning based on falling back to moral relativism. Easy to play that game. Never ending and accomplishes nothing. Boring frankly.

  • @mbostrom
    @mbostrom4 жыл бұрын

    Best interview i've seen in a long, long time.

  • @WickedScott
    @WickedScott7 ай бұрын

    I'm not sure if it was the conversation or the wallpaper that gave me a headache. I understood everything being discussed well enough, so my theory is its the wallpaper.

  • @livdahlberg4191
    @livdahlberg41919 ай бұрын

    Good takes on a ton of things ❤! Reparation sounds very appealing at first to me, but he is of course absolutely right about it 😅👌🎯.

  • @JenniferRose23
    @JenniferRose234 жыл бұрын

    This was a beautiful discussion. More debates should be like this!

  • @jamesjenkins9480
    @jamesjenkins94803 жыл бұрын

    Dang you're good at interviewing. Really solid job. 10/10 You've gained my subscription.

  • @lionelradionoise
    @lionelradionoise7 ай бұрын

    Well that was fascinating. What a great interview all the way through. This stuff should be on (inter-)national TV

  • @zoltai7549
    @zoltai75497 ай бұрын

    Excellent interviewing.

  • @branch1534
    @branch15344 жыл бұрын

    this is an unbelievably productive interview

  • @Rave.-
    @Rave.-4 жыл бұрын

    As I've been with Alex since a very early point in this youtube adventure, I am utterly fascinated by (and voraciously curious about) the process of getting high-profile voices such as Murray and Dawkins on his podcast. I smile with pride at his growing success and near-limitless potential going forward.

  • @lukemcguire6363

    @lukemcguire6363

    2 жыл бұрын

    Degrees from oxford open a lot of doors. Hes actually deserving though, imo. He'll really go far. His ability to self reflect and critique his own views really puts him ahead of all these old reactionary types. According to Murray progressives are always wrong and destructive. Alex clearly sees the value in progressive reforms

  • @HotelierNYC
    @HotelierNYC11 ай бұрын

    Nice work, young man. Keep doing what you're doing.

  • @demadddis96
    @demadddis963 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Very good debate!

  • @stephenphillips6888
    @stephenphillips68884 жыл бұрын

    It made a change to have an interviewer that thoughtfully challenged Murray’s assertions. I think that kid will go far … whoever he is.

  • @ancantiladodecaminante623

    @ancantiladodecaminante623

    4 жыл бұрын

    Alex is his name. Not too long ago he had only 10k sub's...now he's pushing 300k. Won't be long before he hits mainstream media and have a TV show.

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