I may have been torn, but what did you guys think of TROS?

@ThePonderer

4 жыл бұрын

Hate it. Like, genuinely, genuinely hate it. I think it’s only “fine” if you completely remove it from context. It doesn’t end the trilogy or the saga in a satisfying way, and is in fact thematically detrimental to the entire point of Star Wars. Last Jedi, love it or hate it, was thematically building the sequel trilogy to end in a place that *truly* offered a powerful, unexpected, but appropriate conclusion to the many disparate ideas and themes set up in both the OT and the prequels, and ROS reneged on literally ALL of it for the sake of shallow fanservice that leaves every character in the movie (literally every single one: Rey, Poe, Finn, Kylo, BB8, Rose, 3PO, everyone) underserved and kinda ruined. It’s genuinely not a movie I can in good conscious view as the end of the trilogy or saga. I’ve got to kinda look at it as it’s own completely separate big budget fanfilm. This movie hurt my feelings.

@battleupsaber462

4 жыл бұрын

IT STINKS AND I DON'T LIKE IT

@renee_rambles

4 жыл бұрын

I actually quite enjoyed it, but I also agree with you. I was a big fan of the force bond Rey and Kylo had, but I wasn't a reylo shipper (he did and said some pretty messed things to her so I wasn't really feeling a romantic relationship between the two). I really liked the Last Jedi and its ideas, so I was pretty disappointed when those were thrown in a ditch. I loved force-sensitive Finn, but that poor boy really didn't do shit in this movie. I actually liked all the new characters, but they were all pretty useless and they deserved better. Also they did Rose dirty.

@Julia-di1sf

4 жыл бұрын

Same really. I could have forgiven everything if they’d given Ben and Rey that happy ending. It was all set up from TLJ. They had Adam Driver..If there was anyone who could play a redeemed Ben Solo convincingly it was him (and in the short time he was on screen, he was incredible). They had Adam and Daisy’s chemistry. Poor Ben and Rey. Tros ended as a tragedy. And I’m struggling with it.

@oriannamatos2760

4 жыл бұрын

Actually is an enjoyable movie, it has a lot of script problems, and just pretends that TLJ doesn't exist. But it could've been just a movie with problems. But the ending... My God, it wad a like they spit in the Skywalker legacy. How can you kill Ben Solo? the LAST Skywalker, who finally did the right choice, and who had the opportunity that Anakin lost. It's SO depressing!!! This movie just leave you hopeless. Which was the whole point if you just kill him? and Rey ending ALONE? (the visual dictionary of TROS said about her ending: increasingly isolated Rey. WTF?!!)

Kylo’s death doesn’t make much sense from a business perspective either. Imagine the stories and merchandise they could have sold if kylo lived.

@frederick2690

4 жыл бұрын

What planet are you on? Disney is losing on all-new saga merchandise including kylo ren. His figure is being sold at the dollar store. His character is pathetically weak.

@seojunghoe1216

4 жыл бұрын

@@frederick2690 what planet are YOU on? the comic the rise of kylo ren sold out weeks before release...

@smurfette_blues7922

4 жыл бұрын

He is literally the most popular character of sequel trilogy. Its the only unanimous agreement in the most divided fandom ever. Killing him was a really. Really bad business decision.

@CynicallyObnoxious

3 жыл бұрын

People literally stopped buying merchandise after TLJ you know it Hasbro knows it Disney knows it and LF knows it the people who just creamed their pants over TLJ literally didnt budge the merch numbers

It's somehow both The Cursed Child and The Crimes of Grindelwald

@khiyahillyard3290

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect description 👌

You have to commend TROS for one thing though: it's the first movie in history to be written entirely in response to 8 hour long rants by angry dudebros on KZread

@ABLEARC

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@WediFlo

4 жыл бұрын

But that's like the worst part of it. Is it not? I genuinely think this movie would've been so much better, if they had just ignored the angry dudebros.

@TheCoolComplexity

4 жыл бұрын

*What ?! Dude bros ?! They were no angry dudebros. This is a straight lie, yo is this what niggas have been walking around thinking, that wrong. I’m sorry had anyone actually listened to why people didn’t like Last Jedi ?*

@TheCoolComplexity

4 жыл бұрын

Snehil Shrey *Why would it be sarcasm when details and reasoning of who and why you’re blaming them is wrong. If you wanna be dismissive of people and their complaints which by your tone and roby’s tone that’s fine, but own it. Either try to get all the details or just admit you don’t know and if you don’t know that you don’t know maybe wait to talk or don’t say anything at all because all you’re doing is furthering the misunderstanding that is frustratingly present in the video and in these comments.*

@TheCoolComplexity

4 жыл бұрын

Snehil Shrey *Fam, the fuck is this fandom menace shit. Not everybody who don’t fuck with that movie is apart of that fucking shit. Like I said, you guys are running with then twitter/yt crowd cause it’s convenient. If you want to dismiss people’s complaints OWN. THAT. SHIT. You are JUST as toxic when you dismiss people and don’t even know what the fuck is going on ? If anything that makes you worse, cause you’re just furthering the animosity cause you are choosing not to hear them and try to understand.* *Roby is clearly guilty of this too. Which hey he moves how he moves, and so will you. But don’t come at people like they’re the whole 4 hour angry nigga fan group. Have you actually tried hear the point presented in those videos no. Cause you clearly don’t care, which again is fine. But acknowledge that.*

Kylo Ren was the best aspect of this trilogy. And the biggest disappointment in all of this is the fact that Disney had no plan or roadmap, and it clearly showed. Each film in this trilogy has amazing elements, but poor execution. Which sours everything

Couldn’t agree with you more. Ben Solos death was devastating, sad, and unnecessary. Imagine the stuff they could’ve come out with of him and Rey traveling and adventuring and even settling down with kids one day. They cut off so much potential future content and I’m just confused as to how they thought this ending was satisfying or happy in any way

I dont understand why, all of the sudden, this movie has to tie all trilogies together. Where did that come from? Why start this trilogy with new characters when it all comes back to the old bad guys. Its just strange.

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

it’s the weirdest decision, man lmaooooo. It’s so unnecessary. Tell YOUR story, we’ve seen THEIR story

@christiangay793

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobyFN2169dtf Rian Johnson tried to do that, but then everyone took a dump on him for it. TLJ knew exactly what it was and what it wanted to be, while I really wasn't getting that feeling from TROS and TFA.

@spartida3850

4 жыл бұрын

iamthatroby Rian Johnson backed everyone into a corner, having Kylo be torn between the light and dark is fine but I think we all knew he wasn’t the trilogy’s main villain. we had snoke and then rian killed him off, which led to very few creative decisions. either develop an entirely new villain and character, or have Kylo be the main villain. as much both wouldn’t work I think bringing back palpatine was the lesser of the two evils in terms of writing

@Battlecry45

4 жыл бұрын

@@spartida3850 bullshit. making Kylo the main villain would have been the most interesting thing they could have done. And don't come with that "They defeated him twice already" They also defeated the imperator once plus each time Kylo lost he was at a severe disadvantage, heavily wounded or up against Luke.

@endaohalloran6649

4 жыл бұрын

@@spartida3850 ya I gotta disagree with you here because making Kylo the main "villain" would have been fascinating because the struggle Rey and Kylo would face trying to beat each other would be immense. The emotional connection is breathtaking and the idea that they might have to end each other is heartbreaking. Or watching each other try to turn one another would be equally thrilling.

After watching the idiotic mess that was Rise of Skywalker, The Last Jedi deserves more appreciation.

@frankvizen5480

4 жыл бұрын

Never

@sofeahanani1960

4 жыл бұрын

@@frankvizen5480 it's just my opinion no worries!

@user-tf6vq9tz6b

4 жыл бұрын

softseraphine why? that movie was atrocious, just in my opinion, I think the latest trilogy is horrible. It has good scenery here and there but the whole trilogy is so bad, bad writing, acting, no build up, just 100 mile an hour action scenes with fkn dumb one liners, shit like... they fly now... po is the best starfighter in the galaxy.... that's what friends do for each other (that line would fit more in guardians of the galaxy) ... star wars is fkd

@CrazyHorseInvincible

4 жыл бұрын

If a movie sucks, a subsequent movie that sucks worse does not retroactively make it better. It only works this way for dullards whose taste is relative and developed on the whims of others around them.

@nexus7034

4 жыл бұрын

No it doesn’t. One bad movie doesn’t get saved because the sequel is worse. That’s not how things work.

"Han Solo literally tells Kylo Ren that Kylo is dead but his son is alive. And I really wish the movie understood what that meant." Perfect review!

“I don’t want to come across as a reylo stan” me, everyday as a reylo

@battleupsaber462

4 жыл бұрын

Same tbh

@ethanbarnacles

4 жыл бұрын

honestly the reylo we got is what made me willing to see the movie a second time lmao

@claras1401

4 жыл бұрын

Ethan Barnes me too haha! I wish I could just see those parts in HQ and not the rest whoops

@soulthesassyassassin3616

4 жыл бұрын

Same fam

@nexus7034

4 жыл бұрын

Abusive relationships are fun, aren’t they?

I absolutely think Ben Solo should not have died, what was the point of all those sacrifices to bring him back if he was going to die? What about that force connection to Rey? What was the point of setting her up as someone who is lonely for her to end up alone?

@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168

4 жыл бұрын

I guess he was just brought to the side of good just to keep Rey alive at the end.

In a weird way you gotta respect a screenplay that retroactively ruins the main character's actions and motivations and accomplishments. It's rare that a director does that to a character from a movie they also directed.

@VanillaSunrise56

4 жыл бұрын

@Snehil Shrey What makes you think I did?

@VanillaSunrise56

4 жыл бұрын

@Snehil Shrey Yes, because I'm gay for Carol Danvers' short hair, not because I like Endgame.

@VanillaSunrise56

4 жыл бұрын

@Snehil Shrey It handled the fanservice bits better than expected and at least gave the main characters something close to an emotional arc, but by the end of it I was kind of glad it was over.

I'm still scratching my head thinking about Disney getting rid of the most popular new character and the best actor SW has ever had. Adam is the front runner to win the Oscar for Marriage Story. Also the original trio all died trying to bring Ben back and he is back for 2 min and dies. Rey ends up alone like she started. It's mega depressing and not SW at all.

Really loved your thoughts on it all!! Agreed I would of forgiven the movie if the ending was happy, Ben deserved to be happy for once and Rey deserved to have the family she always wanted! Especially with her force 'soulmate' !!

@justuswarren8965

4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!!!

Yo, ending with Reylo together in front of the two suns would have been awesome. Dude, I am always interested in hearing your take on popular media 'cause you view it through such a different lens from me, and deliver it in your style of rhetoric that is both inclusive and captivating. Your excitement for the craft is contagious. It really makes me appreciate the subjective and personal nature of art. Good stuff.

Feel bad for Adam Driver, the only good part of the whole trilogy was Kylo's character.

I couldn't believe what happened to THAT character. I just couldn't and still can't. I was devastated when I left the teather and I still can't believe what they've done in general with EVERYTHING. This movie destroys so many plots and characters that were undergoing a great development despite negative fan critiques. I just can't believe. At the end of the day, Palpatine still won. Anyways, The Last Jedi remains superior. Great vid!

@CynicallyObnoxious

3 жыл бұрын

No it wont lol and I am so happy you where so devastated bet that felt like shit leaving a Star Wars movie huh

Ben was happy for like 2 seconds then dies. like WTF. I was pissed walking out of that movie.

Funny how every one fixated on Mark on his thoughts on the Last Jedi, but all of the Cast disliked this new one

@NaomiTCOOKIES

4 жыл бұрын

The cast seemed happy about JJ's return but they also seemed kinda meh about this movie? 🤔 I remember a carpet interview when Daisy was asked if she is satisfied with the way the film turns out and Daisy just gave a neutral response that clearly didn't answer the yes/no question.

@assholebyginger

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't some of them express discontent for TLJ just days before the ROS premiere

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

@@assholebyginger They did

The ending of the movie was heavily edited in order to change it there's evidence I've seen on Twitter

@WTF3Ninjas

4 жыл бұрын

Stripotato S I really want to see the unedited version 😞

@greenghoul157

4 жыл бұрын

@@WTF3Ninjas Me also, the whole situation is very suspicious and bizarre

@NaomiTCOOKIES

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly I thought ppl were just reaching until I actually saw the evidence and other people replicating the editing process. It's a literal copypasta... I'd find it really hilarious if it wasn't so pitiful at the same time.

@greenghoul157

4 жыл бұрын

@@NaomiTCOOKIES I hope the original ending gets released I'm curious to see it now and I hope this poor editing and reshoots gets acknowledged because it is being covered up right now

@NaomiTCOOKIES

4 жыл бұрын

@@greenghoul157 I hope so too but I really doubt Disney would do that, at least not for many years later once the fire has died down. Doing so now would admit that they seriously messed up and, seeing as to how hard they're trying to cover up their mess and act like nothing happened, it seems they aren't planning to do anything close to taking responsibility anytime soon.

“Hopeful ending” my arse, that’s for damn sure. This movie was such a mess. And to add salt to the wound, there is evidence floating around on Twitter that shows that the ending was heavily edited and that Ben was originally supposed to live.

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

it’s so depressing

@veronicaschoemer

4 жыл бұрын

And it makes everything better and worse at the same time. I'm honestly so curious as to why? Why the hell was the ending changed?? Its like some sort of conspiracy

@soulthesassyassassin3616

4 жыл бұрын

Veronica Sch Disney are idiots

@nelisezpasce

4 жыл бұрын

T-There's just no way a Hollywood director could maintain his own integrity and vision! Please understand!

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

Mmmm delicious TLJ fan disappointment mmmmmm

John Boyega is now going full clown mode on Twitter and bullying upset Reylo shippers and Chris Terrio's interviews are a mess, I just want this nightmare to end

@smurfette_blues7922

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! The drama is giving no one a good reputation. John and the reylos are just fueling this sad and angry fire. Honestly we should all be greiving together because this finale did everyone equally dirty.

can you imagine if during that group hug shot of Rey, Finn, and Poe at the end if after their hug they looked and saw Kylo Ren emerging from the crowd now a hero, and how challenging that would not only be for the characters but the audience and how the emotion would be more fuelled by the knowledge that while things may never be perfect in the end your actions define who you are and seeing those characters having to visually accept that would be way more rewarding

Not to sound like a Reylo stan, but me too Roby.

I'm not letting go of Ben Solo until the autopsy report comes in

You nailed it, man! They traded future for nostalgia by trying to satisfy old fan and losing so many of the new ones. Kids who loves Kylo/Ben were leaving the theaters crying, adults have panic attacks and depression. Those people (me included) aren’t going to trust in anything labeled “Star Wars” again. Whatever they’re planning for the future films, I’m not sure who’s gonna watch them. Like you said, old fans only want Luke, Leia, Han and Vader and the new ones are afraid of being cast aside again. 🤷‍♀️ And there’s a lot evidence that Ben’s death was a last minute decision during editing and even most of the actors didn’t know about .

I just want ben and rey to be happy 💔

the justice league for star wars

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

common denominator chris terrio

@unsunghero1446

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobyFN2169dtf tbh I feel like he's just unlucky. With both situations there was a lot of stuff going against him that were out of his control.

@richardsreviews8820

4 жыл бұрын

iamthatroby Terrio wrote the Snyder cut. He didn’t write josstice league.

@unsunghero1446

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardsreviews8820 True tho

@muhammadsiddiqui9075

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardsreviews8820 #ReleaseTheSnyderCut

I was born in 1999, love the original trilogy (hate the prequels) and absolutely loved The Last Jedi. It did everything I wanted from a new Star Wars movie. It presented new ideas and interesting development for old characters. It challenged our preconceived notions about so many elements of the Star Wars mythos. I would’ve been disappointed with just the same shit again and I was devastated by The Rise of Skywalker because it’s the antithesis of everything that made the sequel trilogy so great before.

Good Lord! This _is_ it. I needed this. Thank you Roby! Also, have a great 2020!

At last a guy who is not and anti or a dudebro hater who speaks with maturity and clear opinion. Excellent video!

dude, you didn't even touch on how they treated Hux's character. imagine if both redeemed Hux and Ben lived, and they both join Rey, Finn, and Poe to fight the Sith. there would've been so much comedic opportunity with their group.

@hittingthewall

4 жыл бұрын

Although I will respectfully disagree with the concept of a redeemed Hux, I will say that I hated how TROS threw him away like garbage. His antagonism viz Kylo was one of the things I loved about EP 7 and 8, and Disney could've capitalised on that in TROS, but instead they just boomed him out in favour of a bland new baddie.

*****SPOLIERS******** ******* ****** ***** **** *** ** * It was so fast-paced, there was no time to emotionally connect with the story. It felt like emotional whiplash, nothing sank in so I ended up not really caring what happened to the characters by the end. Also god why did Rey and Kylo kiss and then he just disintegrates?? Ugh, it felt like a grab to appease reylo fans but there was no point cuz he just fucking dies 5 seconds later!

Perhaps the next movie will be called "In Search for Ben" like in Star Trek. Nobody is gone forever.

For me the problem with this whole trilogy is Disney just rehashing the same rebels vs empire story line in a really messy way .

@jovanym2931

4 жыл бұрын

Snehil Shrey Not that bad 😂

Sort of tried to rewrite the entire sequel trilogy in one mess of a movie with a really depressing ending.

You hit it all on the head with Ben's story. Great job, my friend. The recycled mish-mash we got was lunacy...

YES! Yes you’re so correct! I would had forgiven the whole movie if Ben had just lived, him dying completely ruined the saga..Like what was the point if all the Skywalkers was just gonna die in the end?

I just can't believe Chris Terrio, writer of the freaking brave Batman v Superman which started my love for storytelling, wrote this movie. It is so weird. Like you said, all the new and brave choices are the best moments and all the repeated thing is boring. I liked the movie, but it felt empty. Also, before this video I was a ReyFinn person, now I'm a Reylo person. Thanks, Roby.

@ElricZ

4 жыл бұрын

I don't blame Terrio. I blame Disney, Lucasfilm and the rest of the creative team for trying to appease the fans who hated TLJ

@Rebecca-oh5yh

4 жыл бұрын

And JJ. We must blame JJ.

You are right about everything and described how I felt watching the movie perfectly. Han, Leia and Luke died saving Ben Solo, it doesn’t make sense for him to die. The ending is everything but hopeful. Thank you!💔

Safe. Uncreative. Underwhelming. Everything TLJ was not.

Instead of all those random ships showing up at the end, fin and that girl should've convinced the stormtroopers in the final order to turn on palpatine. It would've been way more emotional than random people finally standing up to the empire for some reason (even though they didn't for all the movies prior), and you'd still have all those cool ship cgi explosion action stuff too

I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video! I have had a hard time trying to really put it into words how I feel about TROS, and they way you described your experience is pretty spot on for me. Especially when you talked about the “almost happy ending part”. I remember thinking the same thing, I had felt the pacing was a little weird, I wasn’t fully loving the movie yet but in those scenes with Rey and Ben I starting changing my mind and I was loving it. I thought regardless of everything else, we will have a happy ending for these two. Then five minutes later I was stunned and really wasn’t able to process the rest of the film. I just felt so shocked that they killed him off like that, without even giving him any dialogue as Ben. I really think my feeling about the movie would be completely different if Ben Solo had lived. But I find it difficult to flat out say I dislike any Star Wars movie, I certainly enjoyed parts of it and I wanted to be happy, so I also hope in time that I develop a different perspective of the movie. I guess we’ll see. Thank you for your video though!

A great new essay on my BIRTHDAY!!!! A perfect start to the day, Happy New Years thatRoby!

POINTS ARE BEING MADE! I agree with pretty much everything you said! My biggest problem with TROS was the messy plot, poor character development, and of course, the decision to kill Ben Solo. Like you said, I'm just so bored with the idea that a "villain" can't be redeemed/forgiven without dying in the end. And anyway, we already saw that with Darth Vader in the Return of the Jedi...do we really need to see it happen again to his grandson? Just lazy writing in my opinion.

The only way this movie makes sense is if Palpatine lied and he won. He lives on in Rey now and will pollute the Skywalker name.

Rey and Ben Solo characters really carried this new sequel trilogy and i'm very very torn apart about the ending, what a fantastic review!

I’m still so damn happy you’re back, dude. Look at the TOP TIER content you make.

I 100% agree with letting Ben live. It would be so interesting to see how everyone would react to the idea of Ben and Kylo being two different people. Killing him is such a cheap way out

I don'r have a particular affinity for Rose Tico but she deserved better...

Always love your critiques ! Awesome video! The Kylo Ren part wasn’t great how they did it but I understand it to an extent. It’s almost meant to appear as a tragedy of a torn hero or villain. He goes through life trying to figure out who he is and where he belongs and he does that just in the end as everything is coming together. He morally redeems himself and fights for what’s right but dies in the process eliminating any future that could of made him his happiest. But he dies in the presence of someone he loved most and died to save and protect. That was my read of it to show how sometimes in life everything comes together just before you essentially end/die and it isn’t meant to have endurance or lasting effect which is kinda a beautiful in a tragedy type way which is what I think they were trying to link it to.

What was the point in this entire Disney Star Wars trilogy??? To tell us Rey was a palpatine? And she’s super powerful???

@christophermarabella5683

4 жыл бұрын

Legacy and how it's not our lasts who define who we are but the choices we make that do

Thank you for this. The film was made by OT super fanboys who don't realise how the OT came to be. George did new stuff all the time, tried to say different things with each film. Not shamelessly mirror what he did before. JJ doesn't seem to understand the point of the rhyming angle of SW. It isn't to fucking repeat the exact thing again.

I hated TROS. I'm a casual SW fan, but how they ended this movie irritated me and did a diservice to the whole franchise. Cheap nostalgia and fast-paced action pieces to disguise another bad sci-fi/fantasy blockbuster. Idk why they got the writer for Batman v Superman and Godzilla: KOTM (both bad movies) for the conclusion of a saga.

i used to think the romance between Rey and kylo was super weird/forced/unintentional/double weird but after this it was really incredible. when I first saw tros and they kissed at the end I was like "aww wtf man that was so weird and out of left field and so awkward" but now it's like "holy shit man I cant believe I didn't see all the stuff leading up to this incredible moment". still a shame that kylo had to die at the end though, I totally agree with you that it was a missed opportunity for one of the best moments in cinema in that last 5 or 10 years

My guy... where have you been for so long?

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

i simply wasn’t enjoying the content I was putting out, so I took a little health break. Feel recharged and genuinely happy now :)

@mishrashashwat97

4 жыл бұрын

@@RobyFN2169dtf good to know you're doing better man. It's great to see you're back. Take care of yourself.

Been waiting for your thoughts!

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy!

@davidalbee5039

4 жыл бұрын

iamthatroby Finally!! I’ve been saying that tRoS is appealing to the same people that TFA is for, the OT onlyites. Like, I get it, money... :/ (why we don’t get a Hayden-Anakin Force Ghost.)

I think some people are thinking too hard about it. It was a fun movie. It’s better when you have loads of lore known in the Star Wars universe and can appreciate the light vs dark side of the force dilemma come to an end. But I do like seeing everyone else’s perspective. There was clearly a lot of love and thought put into this movie and that a lone I can appreciate.

These are exactly my thoughts. So much wasted potential. They had something great that would have redeemed the entire sloppy movie, and they tossed it out with the trash. Just like Ben Solo.

Do you know Chris Terrio never read the new materials when writing Episode 9, and only catched up with it when he was brough back to writing it with JJ? The Vader Immortal story was the only recent thing to happen and he got that right, but treats the Jet Troopers as a first time thing when they've existed already in the Poe Dameron comic years ago Here: www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-writer-sets-record-straight-perceived-last-jedi-jabs-1265168

Will you be doing more videos on art films, i absolutely loved your call me by your name video.

Wow these are literally my exact thoughts... I remember that feeling of elation when I thought for a brief moment that they were going to give us the ending that we wanted (and that Ben Solo deserved) only for it to be ripped away seconds later, effectively ruining everything that came before it. I've never been so devastated by a film, and not in the tragic romance way I think they actually thought they were pulling off- just devastated at the outrageously poor storytelling choices. I'm curious about your thoughts on the (increasingly evidence-supported) theory that the ending was actually changed very late in the game of the editing process. We already know now that the very last shot of Rey was just reused footage from earlier in the film with the background changed; couple that with the strangeness of the angles/editing of the final scene and how bizarrely sudden Ben's 'death' was and the fact that Rey doesn't really seem to react to it, etc. and it seems like something completely different was originally filmed. I can't begin to understand why this would/needed to happen and I'm honestly waiting for someone from the main cast to spill the beans because it has to happen eventually

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

I 100% subscribe to the theory that the ending was changed in post (why doesn’t Ben appear as a force ghost at the end?)

Please do that soundtrack analysis lmao

@smurfette_blues7922

4 жыл бұрын

Im subscribing to see it :D

This is the first review that really made me understand the romance in the movie. I'm not gonna lie, I rather hated the way it went; I didn't feel it clicked with me, much like the rest of the movie. But it's great to have the perspective of someone that deeply loved this moment of redemption for Ben Solo and, by extension, Rey for believing in him. Cheers man, thank you for caring, it got me in the feels

Are you doing a video on Rey and Kylo's theme sounding like that song???

I appreciate everything you said here. So well stated!

8:18 yeah. I mean I guessed that Ben was going to die, but that was brutal. I feel bad for the Reylos- first this and then everyone then turned on them and made them the scapegoats for everything that is wrong with the fandom.

This is a really great review and really nails a lot of how I feel. Thank you.

Just found your channel and I agree with what you're saying and boy do I agree especially about the Reddit users and Ben Solo. Truly.

Idk about you but every time where Rey and kylo were in the same frame I felt myself and everyone in the theater becoming extremely uncomfortable in the least good way possible

I disagree with you on the notion that tros would be a good movie on it’s own. Everything else tho 👌🏻👌🏻 The reason why the hand touching scene reads as an arthouse sex scene (brilliant description btw) is because it’s intimate. I read Kylo’s clothes as an armour, and so far we’ve only seen him remove his helmet, and that was more a symbol of his Vader wannabe if anything. So him removing a glove, a piece of his armour and touching Rey skin to skin, for the first time? It’s hella intimate. (Okay I just remembered the shirtless scene but I’ve always read that scene as 1. fanservice and 2. gotta shower, even in space and 3. making Rey react awkwardly to it loses any intimacy the scene may have.) I also hate that they killed Ben and I’ve said it in another review as well but it’s because Kylo Ren died when Rey stabbed him on the Death Star. She killed Kylo Ren and healed Ben Solo. But then they killed Ben Solo as well. Kylo got redeemed but Ben never got the chance to atone for what he did as Kylo.

There were so many things left behind, why Rey never went to the dark side was so dumb, like why even add it if nothing happens?! Also what was up with almost every female character seeming like a love interest to Finn, and Finn’s character arches were all resolved in Last Jedi so he really had no story in this one rather than just yelling Rey’s name (also they never resolved what he was gonna say to Rey, almost like they forgot about it). Kylo/Ben’s story was all over the place and even though he’s the only character i really enjoyed this series i didn’t know how to feel about him at parts, but he for sure shouldn’t have died (should’ve been Rey or neither of them). The end is the most angering part to me however, Rey had no connection to the Skywalker name in my personal opinion, i mean yeah she worked closely with them but at the same time not that close... Honestly i would’ve enjoyed if she said Palpatine instead because it’s like turning something evil in something bright and hopeful.

you look like you're doing an interview

@RobyFN2169dtf

4 жыл бұрын

it’s a post-match interview and we lost

@matttheking1655

4 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing....😊

Yo imagine if they did go down the route of Finn rallying the first order to rebel!? Like maybe some star destroyers are saboutaged from the inside, or there’s a bit where the rebels are about to die and an entire legion of tie fighters come to help or like an entire star destroyer firing upon the others

I think you might be my spirit animal :D Kylo Ren and Rey were the core of this trilogy. Could have been beautiful. And sadly, the more I think about it the more I dont like this movie.

I wonder what the movie was like before the reshoots

The marketing of "wrap up all 9 films" really mind fucked you didn't it. That was a marketing plot because they knew their trilogy was a disjointed mess so they messaged the marketing this way

We'll probably have another star wars movie in the next 5 years........yay???🙄🙄🙄 After this movie, I am broken. Dont really care to see a sequel or remake, it was a fine enough of a film but damn😑😑😑

@christophermarabella5683

4 жыл бұрын

Blame toxic fandom

I rarely ever comment on videos, but you conveyed my thoughts about the movie very well. I started as very anti-reylo, but before going to the cinema for TROS, I rewatched The Last Jedi and completely changed my mind. I started to absolutely love their chemistry. Throne room scene? Masterpiece. Then came the time to see TROS. I was hyped, but tried to have no expectations. And I loved most of the movie, even thought it was questionable, loved reylo. I completely agree with you about the ending! "Holy shit they've done it" and then Ben dies. This is so disappointing and a very lazy way to end the story. + your take about other characters: yes!!! Subscribed and looking forward to new videos

Oh god I feel like this was me making a movie review especially the ending 😂🤣 Just last night I was thinking I totally needed a Star Wars Disney spirit Jersey for the Rise of Skywalker as well as a D-O remote control droid! Mind you I’ll go on 5 min rants about the ending of the movie randomly throughout the day, which segues into...did I really hate it that much because I think I might need this shirt! I mean did you really hate the movie though?! Why wasn’t there a Ben force ghost with Luke and Leia?! Why??! I feel like I’m attacking myself at this point. I am being torn apart!

Agree with ur points my man. Im fucking devastated at the tragic ending.

This review is perfect. You’ve said everything that was and is in my head after watching the movie.

I think your opinions are spot on. They didn't call you! But they definitely should have :')

Glad this trilogy is over. I regret ever wishing for more star wars films

Thank you to say out loud what I thought 👏👏👏..I, too, was Very Sad going out of the theatre. TROS does not close a fairy tale but a tragedy. JJ lied to us when he said that in TFA, we had all the ingredients of a fairy tale: a castle, a prince and a princess...we were waiting a happy end! And...nope😿

Brilliant video, it's reassuring to find people who need more than just pretty CGI and pew! pew! pew!... Thank you very much for your honesty. #BenSoloDeservesBetter

Hey, can you tell us more about religious allegories in the rise of Skywalker? Or maybe in another star wars movies?

Thank you for saying everything I couldn’t without bawling. Lol. And in a year’s time, five years time-I will loathe what JJ and Chris Terrio constructed out of absolute unoriginality and cowardice because of the fandom menace. They killed the last Skywalker-a redeemed Ben Solo. Cruel and it made no sense to. This was a disrespectful retcon plain and simple. And frankly, TLJ and Johnson was courageous and gave us more mythos food to digest while still challenging the way we think and feel about what Star Wars is and could be outside of the main saga. But loud mouth individuals would rather sulk and argue about who shot first, pew pew, spacey ship wars and glowy sticks to give a shit about actual DEPTH.

Get out of my head! It’s like you transcribed everything I’ve been feeling and thinking about this movie

It’s another justice league / zack Snyder scenario ... 2019 was the year of missteps

Excellent review! I completely agree!!

Bro I love star wars so much I can't admit you have a point but you have a point. Feel me?

Noooo... 10:36 These Disney Stand Alone wannabe trilogy movies doesnt pander to the OT fans. The whole Trilogy had one goal, one aim, and is the biggest scam in movie history, even the last episodes name is the biggest scam i movie history. The Rise of Skywalker, is nothing else but - The Fall of The Skywalker Bloodlineage, and The Rise and Prevail of The Palpatine bloodline.... Where a Palpatine Ma-Rey-Sue identifies her self as a skywalker, stealing Lukes name, Lukes Lightsaber, Lukes home and Lukes Twin Sunset for her own. She steals a Males heritage with no earnings what so ever... And that is identity politics to 100 %.

this video deserves wayyyyy more views

You are an intellectual

Yeh good idea... 11:50 - Lets appeal to the wors sequel movie in history that totally broke the Lore and Fandome... Yeh lets appeal to Weaponizing Lightspeed. Because that made alot of sense... Why havnt anyone used it before then? Why is a Stardestroyer, battlestation or any kind of enemy captal ship a threat anymore if we consider The Last Jedi? Lets have more of useless bombers that takes back tech 100 of years when B-wings and Y-wings were a thing just some 40 years ago. lets Have Leia-Poppins fly around in space, despite not being a Jedi, Lets have more meaningles props like Porgs for kids to buy. lets not respect the lore, the OT characters and free enslaved animals but not the children...

Can you put out more videos

So it's been about 2 months in and nope I greatly dislike this movie which is an accomplishment since I was mostly apathetic towards the prequels. I am sad that so many characters are wasted in this movie; I am sad that Leia, Luke and Han died for nothing (yes Ben went back to the light but his character definitely had not fully healed); I am disappointed that instead of moving towards a balance in the force with a ying-yang dynamic we got the classic light vs darkness motif. I thought the whole point of the sequel trilogy was to bring the Force to equilibrium with shades of grey and not have an extreme light and dark dichotomy and yet it seems TROS shifted right back to that. Why wouldn't they give us a happy ending? Star Wars is a fairy tale. I know that Vader died but his death felt earned; like his death was a suitable ending to his character. I did NOT get that impression with Ben.

I love music analysis so I can't wait for your video about across the stars I completely agree with you and I also want to say that there is nothing wrong with being a reylo, we are a nice community I'll share it on twitter, because for me #bensolodeservesbetter

Don't worry dude, you were not wrong. There are standout performances and frustratingly great highlight moments, marred by poor planning and bad screenwriting.