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@mirumiruyokouwuowo7068

2 жыл бұрын

sarah im broke

@casperchristiansen2458

2 жыл бұрын

Why do I get the feeling that this is more about [REDACTED] accidentally burning Andrew Hussey's breakfast burrito and they've been salty about it ever since, like that one dude from Half-Life 2, than it is about covering up how they treated their employees?

@myagamingkat

2 жыл бұрын

btw you ignored the BARR in the fridge. *you have committed a sin.*

@gaelen5868

2 жыл бұрын

Did they get your Twitter??

@sbondiw7943

2 жыл бұрын

I really and truly appreciate that you're merchandising stupid legal threats, I can't think of anything better to do with this mess

*WhatPumpkin* : "You take that back!" *Sarah Z* : "Take what back?" *WhatPumpkin* : "That's a secret"

@gamongames

2 жыл бұрын

this shoud become part of official Sarah Z's merch

@snakeygirl4296

2 жыл бұрын

What pumpkin more like what secret?

@kiloloki

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds like a John mulaney sketch lol

@DaedalusYoung

2 жыл бұрын

"We actually don't know, because we didn't watch the video"

@17smikky27

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiloloki I could literally hear it in his voice when I read your comment lol

As a non-Homestuck I'm glad to have an answer to the question "why is Homestuck so long?" - the answer being "Hussie is physically incapable of being brief"

@Fangria

7 ай бұрын

thats an absolutely hilarious way to describe hussie

@supotter377

6 ай бұрын

They have a thesaurus and they WILL use it goddamnit

@jalapenoofjustice4682

5 ай бұрын

As a homestuck fan, I can confirm this is absolutely accurate

@popcornastoria

5 ай бұрын

Honestly? Iconic. He makes me feel so much better about not being able to shut the fuck up. 😂

@logicaloverdrive8197

5 ай бұрын

I've read Problem Sleuth twice, and yeah, pretty much.

So "toxic employees poisoning other employees oppinions" is code for "unionising", right?

@Grim_Sister

10 ай бұрын

Oh, definitely

@selanryn5849

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's pretty much the only reason why a company would immediately shut down the entire office instead of firing the "toxic" employee.

@kaitlyn__L

9 ай бұрын

I was suspecting as much at that part but complaining that they got together to discuss their all being simultaneously fired confirmed it for me. No need to demonise ex-employees for meeting up for drinks otherwise really.

@alexia3552

8 ай бұрын

Dude keeping that, that's hysterical

@katherinealvarez9216

7 ай бұрын

So they were trying to unionized and everyone got fired?

The way Hussie has managed to write multiple long emails but basically answer 0 of Sarahs questions is almost impressive

@lightyears-xo8qb

Жыл бұрын

bruh could had a promising career as an AI Bot

@PrimmSlim927

Жыл бұрын

Exactly like homestuck goddamn

@ppdoodle

Жыл бұрын

i mean he wrote homestuck wich is basically "write long ass storylines, rise up questions, be asked said questions and not aknowledge any of them LMAO

@King_Minos64

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhh, the art of bullshitting to avoid answering uncomfortable questions

@saaros

Жыл бұрын

you can really tell he's the author of the webcomic mentioned prior...

People are informing me that this video may have killed Rumsfeld by means of psychic energy. I can confirm this to be true

@disasterdrvid

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service, Miss Z

@TheN00bmonster

2 жыл бұрын

Rumsfeld shut down the NYC studio

@KO-vb4tg

2 жыл бұрын

You were his final and fatal unknown unknown.

@eattheasslikeitsgrass5113

2 жыл бұрын

Another great addition to the homestick lore

@smaenchtumpus6640

2 жыл бұрын

Luv how i was informed about this thru this comment!!!

wp: i can't believe you would promote all these lies sarah: what lies? wp: wouldn't you like to know weatherboy

@imanster5713

2 жыл бұрын

This one. This my favourite 🤣

@maiam388

2 жыл бұрын

omg a fellow maia with an i!

@TheDevNell

2 жыл бұрын

This is like the TLDR of the entire video.

@bigtimetimmyjim6486

2 жыл бұрын

"wp's sketchy...back to you guys."

@d.w.stratton4078

2 жыл бұрын

Haha

You can’t “but I’m a little guy. You’re really gonna be mad at me when I’m just a little guy?” your way out of this one, Hussie.

@emememememememememe

Жыл бұрын

And it's their birthday!!!! Not on their birthday!!!

@romanfritz5149

Жыл бұрын

it's their birthday!! you wouldnt do that to a little birthday boy would you :((

@actuallyverysoggy

Жыл бұрын

but it's his birthday! he's a little birthday boy :(( /j

@sammicoporsammicopor

Жыл бұрын

My mission is successful. I ended homestuck, gave people something to live for and brought hussies antics to the attention of God and he was punished. I'm glad I can rest easy now, knowing I can smoke weed without hussies presence in the back of my mind, knowing my stories were unfinished. Now that they are finished I can move on with my life to other better things.

@twezi

Жыл бұрын

@@sammicoporsammicopor wtf manlyburger?

“I am sorry it took so long to get back to you. I needed the extra time to respond to your condescending and, in my opinion, defamatory email with the appropriate professional tone.” Holy. SHIT. That is probably the most incredibly passive yet violently aggressive slam I have ever seen. As a Brit who runs on tea and sarcasm, this brought a tear to my eye. It’s beautiful.

@cavalierqoon

10 ай бұрын

Good lawyers, when they get a properly righteous cause, do NOT play.

@Grim_Sister

10 ай бұрын

Get yourself a Dave

@tcpratt1660

2 ай бұрын

I read that in James Stephanie Sterling's voice...and SidAlpha's voice...

@Chickenkeeper

24 күн бұрын

Honestly my favourite classy slam since "You may test that assumption at your convenience"

“The only reason my employees think I fired them for no reason is because they don’t know why I fired them” incredible

@ololo518

2 жыл бұрын

It's more like "The only reason my employees think I fired them for no reason, because I didn't tell them the reason why I fired them" xD

@PrismCasillica

2 жыл бұрын

The cognitive dissonance is outstanding.

@dyrnwynski

2 жыл бұрын

And for some reason they believe the outrageous lying lier who is trying to defame my company by saying that no one knows why they were fired! Absurd!

@margaretgibbs6673

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone: So...you agree. You or rather the company you worked with, DID fire them without warning or telling them why and have still never given them a reason to this day. Hussie: ...wellll AKshually, trAnspArENcY isn't a BlaCk anD WhItE IssUeeee

@blackbot7113

2 жыл бұрын

From what I understand of American labor law, it can often be the safest way to fire someone to not give any reason at all. This is because if you GIVE a reason, it might be that firing someone for that reason is illegal. To then turn around and complain that the employee who doesn't know the reason does not know the reason is...uh...certainly an interesting move.

“Transparency isn’t a black and white concept.” No, you’re right, Hussie. It’s clear or opaque.

@ZebrinhahDesrosiers

2 жыл бұрын

I CACKLED

@samt3412

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it's translucent though

@corncake4677

2 жыл бұрын

Transparency is a prospitian and dersite concept

@shadowcween7890

2 жыл бұрын

this is translucence erasure /j

@samt3412

2 жыл бұрын

@@corncake4677 bro what

... so... is anyone else getting "we closed the office because they wanted to unionize" vibes from the story of the NYC office?

@Mirrormn

11 ай бұрын

My mind doesn't go directly to trying to create an official and NLRB-recognized union, but it does definitely feel like there was a person who wanted to make some kind of demands of the management, who was able to convince many of the other employees to back them up (the group who was "poisoned").

@IamAlmostRealWitch

5 ай бұрын

yes, it really does.

@MrsHyde1018

Ай бұрын

Maybe not a “union” per say, but folks definitely wanted/deserved better for the hard work they did, and there seems to be, if I had to put it politely, an or many “rotten apples” either in management positions or positions that had sway in decisions made that was making it hard for lower level employees. 🤷‍♀️ I’ve seen it happen in the workplace; one or many bad managers come into the work space, and when underlings or second in commands raise complaints, they’re either moved to another area, driven to quit through the bad working conditions going unchanged, or being outright terminated.

@reis5011

Ай бұрын

okay okay ive thought about it and here's my two cents from the fact that sarah seems to empathize with the situation WP was in with said former employee i doubt that WP's explanation of what happened had anything to do with unionizing. I'm 90% certain that if they gave any indication that the former employee was making demands about better working conditions sarah would have mentioned it in this video same thing with the other people that contacted her. if she had heard form any former employees that they had been trying to advocate for themselves, collectively or individually, before getting shut down then she almost certainly would have noted that here. all of this would indicate that this wasn't the case. Like, if they had shut down the branch bc of worker action we very likely would have seen some evidence left behind (in the form of testimonies mentioning that fact for instance). However, "a mismanaged, litigious, and shady company with very questionable work practices fires a whole department suddenly and screws them all over because a 'vindictive' ex employee has convinced all the others that the company is bad & trying to screw them over" is such textbook union busting that i cant fully dismiss the possibility that it happened here

Sarah Z: Please take these claims with a grain of salt and think for yourself on the matter. What Pumpkin: And I took that personally.

@placeholderdoe

Жыл бұрын

What pumpkin: I hate thinking!

@Darkfyyre

Ай бұрын

WP thought "with a grain of salt" meant "get salty about it". and they took that literally!

Plot twist: Everyone Sarah interacted with in this video is actually just another sock puppet account for famed My Immortal author Toby

@Maker_Az_Is

2 жыл бұрын

Hush Toby! You aren't supposed to tell on the other toby alts yet. 🤣

@hailey7871

2 жыл бұрын

I cackled

@marvelousTUD

2 жыл бұрын

That ' s not true, some of us are just normal commenters ;)

@Solutad

2 жыл бұрын

fuckin toby at it again

@Xsior

2 жыл бұрын

@@marvelousTUD Sounds like something toby would say

I'm pretty sure there's a rule in journalism roughly paraphrased as "If your investigation leads to harassment and legal threats, you're usually onto something."

@sinsoftheswamp8346

2 жыл бұрын

Doing something very right or very wrong

@MystiqMiu

2 жыл бұрын

the day ms zed is wanted by the cia is the day we pool our resources together to get her outta the country bc she'll be RIGHT

@wyn9693

2 жыл бұрын

@@MystiqMiu the highest honour a journalist can have is assassination attempts

@thepastaprogenitor851

2 жыл бұрын

@@wyn9693 or to locked up with the key thrown away like Julian assange

@wmurd

2 жыл бұрын

but that's stupid. I'm pretty sure there are people out there who could be rightfully outraged by slander

Hussy seems like the kind of person who would represent themselves in court.

@KC-zm5lg

Жыл бұрын

STOP THIS TOOK ME OUT --

@bloodyneptune

Жыл бұрын

I haven't been able to put words to what this guy sounds like, but its this. This is exactly it

@ameliadavidson360

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as someone who worked in a courthouse for seven years....yes, yes, they do.

@olliesworld3277

Жыл бұрын

So you mean: a Murdaugh?

@Lucifersfursona

7 ай бұрын

Andy in his bulletproof vest and floppy knit hat talking about how only he is allowed to do crimes if indeed he did do any (which he didn’t)

The way Andrew says "poisoned" over and over to describe any former employees with a negative experience gives me such a gross feeling.

@Liquefaction

2 жыл бұрын

Just reading the words of this creature make me shiver

@cericat

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to how some avoid any legit criticism after a team member has departed. By painting them as a malicious source.

@KazzieBB

2 жыл бұрын

its something i would say when i was an edgy 7th grader, im baffled why he thinks that's just normal to say now.

@lemmymeringue8528

Жыл бұрын

I have to say yeah, the repetition of such an intense word as "poisoned" through out all of these emails was a major red flag. To me that's just such an intense descriptor, a word that could mean someone will die, and to see it be thrown around here after every instance of an employee minorly and validly critiquing their employer? It makes me think of cult leaders and villains... Characters, not actual humans. Eww.

@80yearsold23

Жыл бұрын

Yeah same lol. Reminds me of exactly how a shitty boss acts like

honestly hussie played this all wrong from the start - they should have offered to make emily and sarah's trollsonas canon within homestuck in exchange for deleting the video

@aimeejenesse116

2 жыл бұрын

LOSING MY GODDAMN MIND. THIS IS THE COMMENT.

@vfxninja5503

2 жыл бұрын

See, that's the insane part, you're describing an act of like... Mild respect, in the most minor way. Instead: They just basically said 'LISTEN UP LITTLE GIRL' like a drunk 50 year old man trying to boss around a 35 year old woman.

@Gafafsg

2 жыл бұрын

@@vfxninja5503 😭

@oight

2 жыл бұрын

hussie would kill them off after one panel like what happened in the past lol

@viraltang

2 жыл бұрын

@@oight 10,000 well spent......

Real Vriska move to do this

@ckorp666

2 жыл бұрын

bad business practices coming to light? iRRRRRRRRECONCILA8LE

@Guruc13

2 жыл бұрын

Daaaamn straight.

@SarahZ

2 жыл бұрын

That means I did nothing wrong

@zephyroze

2 жыл бұрын

@@SarahZ best roast, and controversial to some

@NimhLabs

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, @hbomberguy, how long until you get sued by Moffat for the Sherlock video? As I mean... if what What Pumpkin says is totes how it goes... you've clearly got a lot of stuff from Moffat coming your way

WP: Your video contains misinformation! SZ: Ok, what in the video was incorrect? WP: One of your sources is a known jerk who has lied in the past! SZ: Ok, what did I say in the video that he lied about? WP: Well, we haven't actually watched the video, we just know you sited a guy we don't like! So it must be wrong! SZ: Ok, watch the video and tell me which parts are wrong so I can fix them. WP: Well, I finally watched it, and let me just say, that when we did the things that guy accused us of, it's only because people were being jerks! SZ: So you did do those things? Nothing in the video was wrong? WP: Look, it's late and I'm tired! Let's just drop this whole thing! SZ: But you messaged me!

@tsg_frank5829

Жыл бұрын

"no more contact please we are sleeping" "you're the one that contacted me-" "I kno i no longer interested, please stop contacting me now or I'll contact attorney general..thsanks"

@pur0.

Жыл бұрын

@@tsg_frank5829 thsnks* i am a big meme nerd please fix typo or i call attorney general

@Live_Laugh_Loathe

Жыл бұрын

@@pur0. tknash

@PrimmSlim927

Жыл бұрын

The fact that this is structured like a pesterlog...

@charlesintune

Жыл бұрын

No FR FR this is how this whole altercation transpired LMAO the SparkNotes version

The way he talks to you is so reminiscent of an abusive boyfriend the energy is unreal for someone who doesn't even know you

@emilybarclay8831

Жыл бұрын

He’s definitely the sort to maliciously drive his partner to the point of tears and then call them unreasonable and emotional and crazy

@lightyears-xo8qb

Жыл бұрын

and he still didn't watched the vide XD

@mxveewz

Жыл бұрын

OMG literally THIS. I wasnt able to put my finger on specifically why their writing felt off before, but that is the exact energy I got holy crabs

@Mia199603

Жыл бұрын

Gaslighting in its prime

@peenyweeny3834

Жыл бұрын

righttt like the classic "everyone who says bad things about me is Poisoned and Toxic you can only trust me or they will poison you too"

Imagine not crediting someone because they failed a vibe check.

@eneyavorodecky

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine not crediting somebody, because YOU THINK they didn't. Which is worse...

@the_pseudo_nim

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. Can't get there. Gonna need some potent psilocybin or LSD in order to approach that level of absurdity.

@michaeljohnson6905

2 жыл бұрын

I want credit Andrew: Roll a vibe check Nat 20 Andrew: eh... I don’t think it is

sarah: hey can you confirm or deny (blank) hussie: webster's dictionary defines confirmation as-

@SuperNuclearUnicorn

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao that like from Sarah says it all, doesn't it?

@margaretgibbs6673

2 жыл бұрын

🙄 ughhhh right? Like God OKAY we get it Andy, you don't want to admit with words that part or all of this was totally true, or that you or What Pumpkin ever screwed up. Please just shut the fuck up and stop trying to impress people it's not working

@genericname2747

2 жыл бұрын

Sarah: Hey can you- Hussie: According to all known laws of aviation there's no way a bee should be able to fly

@iantaakalla8180

2 жыл бұрын

“It depends on what the definition of ‘confirmation’ is” - Andrew Clinton

"transparency isn't a black and white concept" gets me everytime

@arambles1

Жыл бұрын

“transparency isnt a black and white concept, mr bond.”

@ddragontheloud

11 ай бұрын

"transparency isn't a black and white concept" yeah because it's clear lol

@margaretgibbs6673

7 ай бұрын

RIGHT fndkdks like cmon just say you don't ever intend to actually give any straight answers unless forced to at gunpoint or something and go (because you likely don't have any answers that wouldn't confirm every bad thing people have ever said about you or the company lmao)

@jotape419

2 ай бұрын

"Transparency isn't a black and white concept" Yes, it is transparent

"If you had approached anyone at What Pumpkin to get the right information, then maybe your reporting would be accurate!" IF WHAT PUMPKIN COMMUNICATED EFFECTIVELY ENOUGH, THE REPORTING WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN NECESSARY.

@charlesintune

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking this WHOLE time lol

Andrew Hussie writes emails like a person who would write a long, meandering, and convoluted web comic.

@AJ-pu9jq

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfaoo this is the one

@vincetravis8701

2 жыл бұрын

Oof

@HayLeesHomeMade

2 жыл бұрын

Funny you should say that....

@wilmagregg3131

2 жыл бұрын

yeah no wonder undertale stole the throne out from under them at least toby foxxes sentences dont run longer then a marathon and know how to tell a coherent story

@californiacobra527

2 жыл бұрын

😂👏👌

Congrats to Emily for being Assigned Female By Homestuck

@artcowboy

2 жыл бұрын

This killed me

@lextatertotsfromhell7673

2 жыл бұрын

Afah: assigned female at homestuck

@TheAbigailDee

2 жыл бұрын

This is GOLD

@ProjectEchoshadow

2 жыл бұрын

Wait if they can declare a trans person as cis could they do the reverse? I don’t want to take hormones I hope they never notice me

@nosuchthingasgoodcows7003

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectEchoshadow oh god it’s the jk rowling effect

hussie giving big "all my exs are crazy" energy

@kragary

6 ай бұрын

"all my exes got together and brainwashed each other into thinking I'm the bad guy or something" 🤷‍♂

Alternating wildly between "Oh my god, I can't believe Hussie talks like that" and "Oh my god it makes so much sense that Hussie talks like that"

@popcornastoria

5 ай бұрын

Dirk Strider kinnie if I ever saw one.

@FirstnameLastname-sb3hj

2 ай бұрын

​@@popcornastoriai mean, he did write the guy

@indigo1562

Ай бұрын

@@popcornastoria this comment made me choke on my tea i am SCREAMING

@popcornastoria

Ай бұрын

@indigo1562 LMAOOOO thanks, it really is hilarious. someday i want to do a video essay on dirk strider as an author avatar character, dirk kinnieship in fandom, and the evolution of dirk's character, tho ofc w respect to the fact that what we know abt andrew is only what they've shared about themself. i... promise my idea for a video essay is just as funny as it is nerdy af! 🤣

@fuzzywuzzy4564

Ай бұрын

@@popcornastoria i may be misremembering but hussie mightve admitted on his old tumblr blog that the striders were more or less his mouthpieces

"We understand your client is a stupid little baby" Is probably not the best way to open communications.

@KatieCunningham

2 жыл бұрын

There is no way in heaven or hell that was ever written by a lawyer. I would bet that the lawyer handed them something reasonable, and someone decided to 'punch it up' a bit.

@russelljohnson7004

2 жыл бұрын

@@KatieCunningham I would be absolutely shocked if WP has a communications lawyer on retainer, especially since the intimidation letter was literally signed by the company's CFO. when this sort of thing is done right, it's usually "hello, I am a lawyer representing ______," not "Hello, I literally run _____, and if you don't do ______ I'll have to hire a lawyer"

@mhawang8204

2 жыл бұрын

@@m1k3y48 That may be why Lindsay doesn't believe T. Watson is a "lawyer."

@fredericchristie3472

2 жыл бұрын

As others have pointed out, it's a real winner move to open up potential libel proceedings by admitting that your opposition both behaved in good faith and couldn't even have not done so.

@ruthsagers1714

Жыл бұрын

@@m1k3y48 Gal Pals!

"HOW DARE YOU SPREAD THIS MISINFORMATION!!!" "what misinformation" "look, trying to dispell this misinformation has been really hard on us, so we'd appreciate if you just work with us here"

@culwin

2 жыл бұрын

Throughout these correspondences, I noticed (although Andrew uses "misinformation"), they usually liked to use the term "disinformation", which is worse than "misinformation" because it implies intent, not just a mistake.

@Mugruncher

Ай бұрын

“Ok, but which bits are misinformation?” “Look, do you want the story or not?” “YES.” “…I feel like you’re being toxic”

Imagine if Jenny Nicholson's My Little Pony video had resulted in Jenny getting into a series of emails with Lauren Faust that made Jenny lose any respect she ever had for Lauren. This is one of the most surreal things I've ever seen, and I'd somehow never even heard of Homestuck until I stumbled onto these two videos.

@msf2399

Жыл бұрын

Oh, I’m so sorry you were part of that day’s unlucky 10,000… (Referencing the popular statistic that 10,000 people on average learn about any given thing for the first time on any given day.)

@Freccjjbb

Жыл бұрын

I haven't personally read HS but this whole mess is actually an extremely accurate representation of HS in general

@jffry890

Жыл бұрын

I haven't heard of Homosuck in like a decade so these videos were fun to stumble across.

@jakek1735

Жыл бұрын

​@@msf2399 Oh I do love xkcd

@daemonspudguy

5 ай бұрын

Neither had I. Granted I'm 19 but apparently I was also already very much online in the early 2010s (as the existence of this very KZread account proves). I think it must have been what I've decided to term as my "tech coma" for various reasons that I won't get into now.

Got to give him credit though, the guy who wrote an 800,000 word web comic knows how to filibuster.

“I needed the extra time to respond to your condescending, and in my opinion, defamatory email with the appropriate professional tone” GOD DAMN DAVE HOLY SHIT

@AlletaLady

2 жыл бұрын

Dave was hilarious and I hope he gets occasional free coffees. Especially the "KZread is a platform accessible to all" mic drop at the end.

@Grim_Sister

2 жыл бұрын

An absolute savage. We all need to get ourselves a Dave

@Galactic_Centre

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlletaLady You said it, but really before reading your comment I got myself thinking that if I ran into Dave, I would so buy a coffee for him! And for Sarah and Emily as well of course.

@danielpotes8508

2 жыл бұрын

I CACKLED!!!!

@tekvax01

2 жыл бұрын

RIGHT?! This man personifies self-restraint!!

WP: Your video was actually the biggest misinformation spreader in Homestuck's history. Sarah Z: Elaborate on that. WP: No.

@margaretgibbs6673

2 жыл бұрын

It's almost like they didn't have any kind of real answers besides yknow. What the employees said happened. And everything was true or something. But no, I'm sure there was another totaply legit explanation as to why they said that but never actually said anything specific to back it up 🤔

@magmaferret636

2 жыл бұрын

It's bullying via the legal system. If they have good lawyers, they know they don't have a case and it'll stop at emails.

@beardedemperor

2 жыл бұрын

Sarah Z: So, what part of my video was misinformation? WP: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We didn't watch it. But I heard you were mean. 😢😢

@blechtic

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen the original video and, frankly, I'm not even interested in seeing it. I don't even know who the people or things in question here are. I guess this is about some webcomic, etc. That said, either this is basically a criminal-level good-faith mismanagement of and incompetence on the issue, basically a master-class of how not to handle situations and not get caught up in conspiracy theories, especially in ones of your own making... ...or they are a bunch of assholes acting in bad faith, threatening and gaslighting, in which case should there be any kind of illegality on their part, they should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent of the law and deserve every bad thing coming their way. Frankly, the most charitable *realistic* interpretation would seem to be that bad shit happened that wasn't their fault, there was serious mismanagement that more or less *was* their fault, and although nothing is actionable, they are unwilling to make the basic good-faith gestures to right some wrongs, because they're spineless morons. For some reason, this reminds me of every case ever, where the people who didn't suffer tell the ones who did that there's no need to find out what happened or punish the guilty, because it's all in the past -- usually in very recent past. Guilty or not, this certainly makes them look guilty and I don't even know what it is they would be guilty of.

@WraithMagus

2 жыл бұрын

@@margaretgibbs6673 How dare you slander us with your totally true statements! Your statements have caused us to take irreperable damages and spend THOUSANDS of dollars as we spastically flail about with vague and misdirected allegations with no weight to them! Literally NOBODY had ever heard of Homestuck before someone with a platform THIS powerful and came along! And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

"we understand that Ms. Z is very young, and her irresponsible, unethical journalism is the result of ignorance" the seething rage felt through a screenshot on a video is scalding, i can't imagine having to read that email myself. fuckallthat edit: i’m rewatching these homestuck videos cause my partner has been getting into homestuck and i just love the email at 19:05. big GET EM energy edit 2: this whole thing boils down as Sarah and Emily doing days or weeks of research to make a video accurately and reliably explaining the history of Homestuck and Homestuck affiliated media such as Hiveswap, Homestuck 2: Beyond Canon, Friendsim, Pesterquest, etc. In said video, anything not explicitly verified with tangible proof is beforehand recommended to be taken with a grain of salt, as in, think critically about such information and don’t take it as 100% irrefutable fact. Andrew Hussie and What Pumpkin in response don’t even watch the video, but jump to threaten legal action and lie about having to deal with (nonexistent) extreme and irreparable damages to their brand because of the video they didn’t even watch; when Sarah asks what misinformation needs correcting, never clarify what this misinformation supposedly is, because again, they didn’t even watch the video. I just have to laugh. How are you gonna sit there as a company and be like “We know you did tons of research to explain this topic, but you didn’t do the kind of research we specifically would have liked, and even though we didn’t watch your video, we don’t like what you said in it.”

@BarioIDL

11 ай бұрын

irresponsible, unethical and ignorance, .... why does this smell like projecting?

@moviesquad73

9 ай бұрын

Its hilarious how that email talked about Sarah as if she was twelve years old and not a grown ass adult

@WhiteWolf-lm7gj

8 ай бұрын

​@@moviesquad73 "This 5 year old who has hundreds of thousands of followers clearly has no idea about anything"

@MayyaK11

7 ай бұрын

sAME YEAH IT'S SO BELITELLING

@blueroses4767

7 ай бұрын

it also takes away any legal claim of defamation which is hilarious.

I love when companies write stuff without running it past an attorney first. "I told them - in a letter I signed and sent from my email - that we weren't seeking financial compensation and that I understood that they were young, ignorant and weren't trying to intentionally hurt us". "You did what now?"

@King_Minos64

Жыл бұрын

“I told them also that we already had a response ready for our backers and it was not a big deal.” “You mean to say that you just invalided the case we tried to set up?”

reading hussies emails is like “there’s definitely a lot of words here, they have no substance, but there sure are a lot of them”

@joshybug122864

2 жыл бұрын

It's just Kankri, don't mind him

@drpenper

2 жыл бұрын

basically homestuck summed up

@SheliakDragon

2 жыл бұрын

In our local debating sphere, we called that psychobabble

@k.morningstar7983

2 жыл бұрын

feels just like i'm reading the court documents from the Romine Bros

@alexmoll161

2 жыл бұрын

Except there is some substance.. which comes down to "what happened is actually worse than you thought, but don't tell anyone"

My favorite part is when WP said that they understand Sarah is young and inexperienced, and therefore prone to mistakes but they know she wasn't acting with malicious intent. That undermines their ENTIRE libel case. In order to convict someone of libel, you have to prove that they intentionally wrote false statements with the purpose of damaging you.

@chubbybunny6975

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment because fuck I didn't even think of that!

@clarelisaromero

2 жыл бұрын

As a law student, this checks out. The people at WP are mad stupid lmao

@d13_a

2 жыл бұрын

“We know you didn’t intend to ruin our reputation, but we’re suing you for trying to ruin our reputation unless you take it back”

@klisterklister2367

2 жыл бұрын

HAH

@phoenixbillion1842

2 жыл бұрын

You're talking about actual malice, which relates to public figures. Defamation, including libel, does not ordinarily require proof of actual malice.

Coming back to this video 2 years later, and nothing has changed! Act 3 still isn't out. We've gotten yearly art asset updates twice in a row from an online fan convention. Homestuck 2 is still MIA. We finally learned what Homestuck 2.0 is because of a James Roach livestream from the previously mentioned convention. A Tumblr post from someone who worked at WP (Unsure if they still do) "revealed" that WP is out of cash. Hardly much of a reveal. Hussie and WP have gone back to radio silence. They've confirmed a majority of Gio's second article while still labeling him as a stalker. Gio is one of the people actively preserving Homestuck through the Unofficial Collection. WP's business now almost relies on his work, as the official sources are either deleted or in an awful way. These legal threats and email exchanges are almost entirely the last bit of PR the company has done. Clearly, all is well. See you all in 50 years for Act 4's release. Edit: Homestuck 2 has returned, though it is no longer Homestuck 2 and just Homestuck: Beyond Canon. OG HS2 is canned for good. New team lead by James Roach.

@_-Lx-_

9 ай бұрын

50 feels a bit unreasonable don't you think? Lets not rush them now, I'm expecting at minimium a few thousand years.

@elise2399

9 ай бұрын

i think homestuck should just be released into the public domain at this point 😕

@genericname2747

9 ай бұрын

​@@elise2399Please, it'd be so funny. We'd have books with writing quirks, and trollsonas

@moviesquad73

9 ай бұрын

And I thought Elder Scrolls 6 has been taking forever 😅

@cassiecrotzer7324

7 ай бұрын

I’d like to hear your take on the recent update, name change, staff switch up, etc.!

Hussie definitely has a healthy view of the world, where anybody criticizing your business practices has been poisoned by an evil sorcerer.

@thedevilsadvocate788

2 ай бұрын

Sir, please. I'm an EVIL WIZARD. An EVIL VAMPIRE WIZARD by the name of KEVIN.

"We didn't credit her because she was saying bad things about the company." "You realize that makes you a bad company, right?" *Surprised Pikachu*

@kriscynical

2 жыл бұрын

The comment immediately below yours has the surprised Pikachu as their userpic, istfg. That was weird.

@sablecyan2517

2 жыл бұрын

"No it doesn't and you're a malicious liar!" XD

@Scuttable

2 жыл бұрын

It's not as bad as you think it is! I mean, it's worse, but like, it's not what you think it is. It's just exactly what you think, but worse.

@MoonRaven21

2 жыл бұрын

Disney is also a bad company at times, they want a sparkly child friendly image but we all know that they just want your money and other stuff I cant talk about.

@kriscynical

2 жыл бұрын

@@MoonRaven21 What? They just want our money?? *Surprised Pikachu* You just described every major company in existence.

Welcome to the club of receiving legal threats from WP. Your membership card is in the mail.

@indiagale7918

2 жыл бұрын

wait WHAT--

@pharoahcaraboo9610

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god

@warmbaloney3326

2 жыл бұрын

Whaaaaaaaaaaa

@romanroman3897

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hey octopimp, i thought you were dead

@Octopimp

2 жыл бұрын

@@romanroman3897 I wish

Does anyone else feel grossed out at how Andrew calls people "poisoned" like they're lesser people or totally bad without nuance?

@iwakeupandboomimarat

Жыл бұрын

it has the same energy as people who say "omg all my exes were sooo crazy"

@Lucifersfursona

11 ай бұрын

“Poisoned” = “I wasn’t able to gaslight and Manipulate these people into thinking I’m just a sweet little guy and it was their fault actually” nice Andy

@Grim_Sister

10 ай бұрын

He strikes me as the abusive boyfriend that uses manipulation tactics to get you completely under his thumb. That or the pickup artist that tries to neg you to get you to sleep with him

@devynnhanson

8 ай бұрын

That and “toxic”

It's weird that "disgruntled former employee" is used so often as a discrediting description when the literal meaning is "this is a person that I once had power and authority over and they now hate me." In isolation that information in itself reflects badly on the former employer for anyone who isn't reflexively authoritarian.

"We understand that Ms Z is very young and..." OHHHH FUCK THAT

@rwalkman10

2 жыл бұрын

30-45 year olds b like...

@Shadowlegendlover

2 жыл бұрын

And the bit where they said that her journalism was "unethical" like girl HUH

@GrayAndGrey

2 жыл бұрын

Always remember, kids: if you are younger than us, you are dumber than us! -What Pumpkin Entretainment, _et al._

@leighplayscello9330

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 32 and call myself old all the time and this bit enraged me anyway lol

@malicetoaster1557

2 жыл бұрын

A MERE CHILD OF 30

Andrew: ask me what happened Sarah: Okay, what happened? Andrew: how dare you

@manillargo

2 жыл бұрын

gaslight gatekeep girlboss i guess

@paulunga

2 жыл бұрын

@@manillargo What?

@manillargo

2 жыл бұрын

@@paulunga it’s a saying

@paulunga

2 жыл бұрын

@@manillargo I know. I just don't get how it fits here. But it's fine.

@margaretgibbs6673

2 жыл бұрын

@@poniko6034 yeah the minute someone who's claiming so confidently that someone DEFINITELY has said all lies and slander or done a terrible job ADMITS they never even watched any part of said video or read any part of whatever work, even through someone else? That is the point where one officially needs to Stop Talking Now because you ain't getting your credibility back for NOTHING and whatever you say next on the topic might as well be hot air.

Sarah throughout half of this video: “This is a surprise tool that’ll help us later”

@twist22

Жыл бұрын

LOVE THIS 🤣🤣🤣

Nearly two years later and WP/hussie still haven't delivered the game or owned up to their actions.

@Kissingerzones1311

Жыл бұрын

And they never will.

@samuelvzveddscs1638

11 ай бұрын

They couldn't deliver an answer to any of Sarah Z 's questions, How the hell are they supposed to deliver a game?

@theresakurth6916

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the update, I was wondering

@BetaJackMaxis

10 ай бұрын

There's a reason I now exclusively refer to him as "Andrew Cuntie," and not just because I'm with the Australians on calling the idea that "cunt" is a hideously vile word is sexist as all hell.

@geckopecko

10 ай бұрын

yeah lmao

Hussey: "We are TOTALLY transparent, ask us anything!" Also Hussey: "Transparency is such a relative concept, honestly."

@flaetsbnort

2 жыл бұрын

and also Hussey: "can you even handle full transparency, Sarah? Many have tried, many have perished"

@joannamarieart

2 жыл бұрын

@@flaetsbnort 😂🤣😂🤣 She is just a naïve little pretend journalist, so definitely probably too delicate for the real facts!! But if only she'd ask, he's prepared to give them!

@dronecanon9794

2 жыл бұрын

Hussie was transparent, completely. Then he gave Homestuck away.

@milkglassfairy7641

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like suchhhh a wanker. Like the kind of guy you meet in a club and he pretends to be sooo deep and acts like he’s above everyone else there and after a while you realise he’s not deep or intelligent at all he’s just condescending and scummy and when you realise this he turns into a r/niceguy and spams you with novel length nasty messages about what you’re missing out on and how stupid you are. Or he cheats on you and then tries to explain it away in some fake-philosophical bs that makes your head hurt so much that you can’t even remember what tf you’re actually confronting him about. Anyway that’s the vibez I get.

@joannamarieart

2 жыл бұрын

@@milkglassfairy7641 Agree 100%!! Literally so wordy and for WHAT??

Getting big “Lindsey Ellis getting legal threats from the wolf porn lady” vibes

@Alice-burrice

2 жыл бұрын

this is the sequel

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks

2 жыл бұрын

not to mention that Maggie Mae Fish is yet again voicing the lawyer

@Anna-tk7ui

2 жыл бұрын

Sarah Z is fulfilling her dream of ascending to Lindsay Ellis status. Just wait until she's cancelled on Twitter.

@notsophie3911

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that !!

@angelspit

2 жыл бұрын

weirdos are really going after breadtube these days huh

“Why do we bash shitty studios for not giving credit to their employees but we never question if the employees had bad vibes? Or are just unpleasant to be around?” - Andrew Hussie

If this was an episode of Scoobie Doo, Hussie would be the guy who warns the kids that the old Collins place is haunted while trying to hide the ghost costume in the back seat of his car.

@guiltygearalonecompl

11 ай бұрын

“Argh, and I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for my meddling mouth!”

@Kitten_Kadoodle

4 ай бұрын

Now I want to see a Scooby-Doo-esque show starring Sarah and Emily

All the "former employee clearly has a grudge and is spreading vicious lies about the company" stuff is really giving me "wow ALL your ex-girlfriends are crazy, huh?" energy

@pooplenepe59

2 жыл бұрын

This this this this this. Hussie has a comical lack of self awareness at best, and at worst...

@richardsonIII

2 жыл бұрын

They were all poisoned!!!1!! by someone else! Just ask ME.

@dqaupop

2 жыл бұрын

At this point, I’d be willing to bet that Name Redacted did nothing wrong at all.

@annapettit8045

2 жыл бұрын

dqaupop I read this and all my brain could hear was Sarah Z saying "Vriska did nothing wrong" from the first video lmao

@mads_in_zero

2 жыл бұрын

Me, having just watched Matt McMuscles' "Whu Happun" video on Lords of Shadow 2: Hmm, wow that's so interesting.

"Your honor, we're suing her because she said bad things about us." "She personally did?" "Well technically, she reported that other people said bad stuff about us but that's the same thing." "Was any of what she reported false?" "Yeah!" "Okay, which parts were false and what evidence do you have that it was?" "Like... stuff. And because we say it was."

@JamesDenholm

2 жыл бұрын

"Your honor, I still haven't actually reviewed the defendant's defamatory statements myself..."

@danielhenderson9719

2 жыл бұрын

“Your honor, we still may or may not have actually watched the video in which we presume she reported things that portray us in a bad light. Therefore, we would like to make a motion to stick our foot in our mouth and chew vigorously until the end of time.”

@mattbounds

2 жыл бұрын

"Again, which parts were false?" "Uhhh... POISON. POISONOUS PERSON. POISON."

@brianb.6356

2 жыл бұрын

And FWIW, even the first step by itself is enough to defeat a defamation claim. You can't be sued for saying true things, including "other person X said bad things about What Pumpkin that I have no method of confirming or denying". That's undeniably true, irrespective of what actually other person X said and whether those things themselves are true.

@peevester9987

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, those hussie-grams sounded like so much "you can't handle the truth" that it's WAY, WAY into self-parody here. Dave Strider would be either golf clapping or, what was the phrase, doing some sort of acrobatic f***ing PIROUETTE off the handle and winning like a medal or some shit.

Imagine owning an incredibly successful IP and acting like ONE barely negative KZread video is gonna utterly destroy any work they could possibly do, whole company's gonna collapse, millions of dollars lost. Wild.

@Kissingerzones1311

Жыл бұрын

Okay first of all Homestuck is not "an incredibly successful IP" it is a long dead relic of early 2010s internet with it's decaying corpse being reanimated by Tumblr. Second the whole company of whatpumpkin and it's other affiliated studios have completely collapsed years ago with everyone getting fired Thirdly the millions (specifically almost 3 millions) he collected from a 2012 Kickstarter to make a game called Hiveswap (which btw isn't even close to finishing devolvement after more than 11 years of waiting) have been completely wasted by the man's own admission. I really feel bad for anyone who has ever worked with that idiot.

@Grimmsister23

6 ай бұрын

Ironically their extreme reaction seems to have done substantially more harm to the IP than the original video lol

@Ice-Climber

17 күн бұрын

To be fair, it stopped being successful a long time ago.

God reading Gio’s update on all of this and seeing screenshots of one homestuck writer literally calling for their fans to “go get this bitch. STALKER” and “ can you guys please go rip him apart?” about gio is so scary

@morcego7712

Жыл бұрын

What

@shib5267

Жыл бұрын

what

@viraltang

Жыл бұрын

Really makes their reasoning for canning HS2 because they said was because of harassment look even more sketchy. Like they knew what they were doing. They just wanted an easy out and scapegoat out of it once all the goodwill it had was gone and it hemorrhaged readers/Patreons.

@celisewillis

8 ай бұрын

Holy crap, so that Homestuck writer was literally projecting onto Gio what they were doing themselves. Shameless.

Hussie: *makes Homestuck* also Hussie: I didn't watch your video as it's a bit long, don't you think?

@deltabrassica6650

2 жыл бұрын

you had to be there

@vulpixxlenya2284

2 жыл бұрын

@@deltabrassica6650 idk man. I couldn’t stop watching this video

@margaretgibbs6673

2 жыл бұрын

The audacity of a creator of HOMESTUCK to complain that a 2 hour video is too long to watch...

@a-s-greig

2 жыл бұрын

Probably explains why he didn't have the patience for anything else. **sips tea**

@paulenan9636

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, it was 26 Sargons long

I remember finding Hussie's overly verbose writing style in Homestuck kind of amusing and charming, like someone being humorously pretentious. I didn't think he *actually* wrote like that. It's like he's permanently in HS narrator mode, which is kind of terrifying.

@illusrin

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I used to look up to it, I'd write my damn English essays from middle school in the style, pff. Homestuck made me a verbose kid and later I realize that it was pretty insufferable and unnecessary to adopt even in academic contexts. Now I just laugh at it, reading the exchanges in this video is a really odd, half-nostalgia, half-cringe packed retrospective on a big part of my life at the time. I think his writing style would be more charming if he did...exist outside of it? Haha

@genericname2747

2 жыл бұрын

Haha! Wow what a cool writing style! It must take a lot of effort to write like this! Wait what do you mean this is how the person writes normally

@saturn1331

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know much about Homestuck myself, but it seems like this guy is stuck *in* Homestuck, and all the fame and glory it brought him. Maybe that's why he's still rolling with how he types.

@boxorak

2 жыл бұрын

Put like that, it reminds me of Sherlock where what seemed to be clever writing actually wasn't. EDIT: Actually, what this REALLY reminds me of is things like Sonichu and Empress Theresa. You know, terrible works made by people who actually do write like that in real life and take criticism about as well as a slug can handle salt.

@ideaargentino6529

2 жыл бұрын

@@boxorak what about sherlock now? Where? I wanna understand, and agree, pretty please expand?

It's wild to see Hussie constantly complain about not being reached out to about the video before publication to dispel rumors and lies, but when Sarah Z actually reaches out to him, he refuses to clarify literally anything or even point out what his actual grievance is.

@beckyginger3432

10 ай бұрын

Also geo did reach out and was labelled a stalker for it

I love the part where he insists you stop "hopping around the timeline asking questions in a way that's disconnected from understanding the totality" lol dude's never gonna stop writing HS

@armageddongirl612

2 жыл бұрын

yeah when i saw that i immediately thought of his horrid timeline in hs too

@tsg_frank5829

Жыл бұрын

motherfucker made the entire canon of Homestuck into this sentence, on loop

@higztv1166

Жыл бұрын

really the homestuck vibes

@Caldoric

6 ай бұрын

Dude thinks they're characters in their own comic rather than IRL, wtf.

@OctEddie

5 ай бұрын

I understood that as “stop asking questions about not-Gio while I’m ranting about my disdain for Gio.”

The words "we understand that Ms. Z is very young" almost made me RAGE.

@beanboy5963

2 жыл бұрын

Mark my words, they would NEVER have said that shit about a man

@JohnDoe-gy5dr

2 жыл бұрын

@@beanboy5963 I would agree with you in other areas but calling someone young to suggest they are naïve is pretty universal.

@HellNaw98

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnDoe-gy5dr Nah, that’s some shit that’s said to women far more often

@boomboomskidskid

2 жыл бұрын

@@HellNaw98 That seems more like personal life experiences (which is valid) than actual data

@hf.1906

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that email felt sexist af

Andrew: I'm contacting you personally to tell you the real story. Sarah: Okay, what's the real story ? Andrew: ✅ Seen 11:29 AM

I didn't know how funny it would be to hear Big Joel say "I'm the creator of Homestuck"

One of my favorite things about listening to Big Joel talk is that has a way of sounding simultaneously evenly calm and completely unhinged. He was the perfect and obvious choice for this role.

seeing sarah drive was so weird i forgot she's an actual person and not an ancient scribe sitting in a chair like the three eyed raven

@Alice-burrice

2 жыл бұрын

that was a body double, the real sarah z has never left the couch! don’t spread misinformation!! /j

@malekkd

2 жыл бұрын

the theory that the wine glass is actually Sarah and that the glass is possessing this random woman to make videos has been debunked. i cannot believe this

@lariozavc7828

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@strawberryqueen0382

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alice-burrice that was Sarah A

@justas423

2 жыл бұрын

She's secretly Odin (like most people)

Every KZreadr needs to find their specific niche. Sarah's niche is terrible, badly researched videos that are full of malicious - dare I say libellous - lies, that are actively harming small creators in fandoms that she isn't even part of and never has been. I know this, based on the numerous videos by her that I haven't watched.

@3possumsinatrenchcoat

2 жыл бұрын

had me in the first half, not gonna lie

@pheonixrises11

2 жыл бұрын

@@3possumsinatrenchcoat yeah, this got me real good

@0yourmom019

2 жыл бұрын

LMFAO

@godforreal7355

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that's precious. You're getting fussy. Baby need nap? Edit, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to my dog.

@livendus

2 жыл бұрын

@@godforreal7355 Read to the last line, it's only a well crafted joke!

Can I just point out how insane mixing cotton candy Faygo and Limoncello is? Like, does that actually taste?

@SarahZ

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for asking! :) It was bad!

@alanhersch4617

Жыл бұрын

@@SarahZ Phew, I thought you were a psychopath with that mix. XD

@thetruebloodchannel6194

Жыл бұрын

Is it bad that that drink looks really yummy? And is it bad that I want to try it out when I'm of legal drinking age?

@5PctJuice

Жыл бұрын

@@thetruebloodchannel6194 Well you'll never regret the mistakes you don't make, so I'd say go for it when you're able to! I'd recommend against it but I also don't like alcohol so you can just use the excuse that I'm probably not a great source.

@JulianSildenLanglo

Жыл бұрын

​@@thetruebloodchannel6194no, that's not bad at all. Once you become 18 and can legally drink, I recommend trying at least one new drink every time you go drinking. It helps expand your palate and makes it easier for you to find out what you like, which ingredients match well together, and which don't.

I've gotta say, the more I read of Andrews emails, the more I get Extremely bad vibes from them, the way they talk will be recognisable to anyone who has had any kind of personal or professional relationship with someone who's highly manipulative.

@Bogwedgle

Жыл бұрын

There's this sort of soft underlying patronising tone to them, trying to make you feel like they know more and they don't really have any strong feelings about any of this they're just trying to help you understand why you're bad and wrong, out of the goodness of their heart, it's gross. It reads reeeeal gross.

@King_Minos64

Жыл бұрын

Just how the dude is. He is not the best person in the world. Just because their piece of art is good doesn’t mean the creator necessarily good.

@nitebreak

Жыл бұрын

@@King_Minos64 from what i have seen the piece of work is also highly flawed

@just_matt214

Жыл бұрын

How do you think he managed to get 6 million people to cosplay as grey alien teenagers with speech impediments? Say what you want about his writing, but in my opinion the guy's *real* talent is audience manipulation.

@King_Minos64

Жыл бұрын

@@nitebreak Nor have I read it, but there has to be something there to build and maintain a massive audience. If something is entertaining, then that thing is good. If tons of people take valuable time out of their day for it, then it must be entertaining.

If you had one vindictive former employee, you had one vindictive former employee. If all of your former employees are vindictive, then you are the problem.

@gaymerjerry

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you cant make everyone like you but if a ton of people who knew you personally hate you then maybe it is you

@Twiska

Жыл бұрын

I know, right. I tell incels the same thing. If you can't become friends with ANYONE, you are the asshole. Not the rest of the world. Introspection is a virtue that seems to be hard for a lot of people these days.

@iandean1112

Жыл бұрын

THE. TEA.

@ViirinSoftworks

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, narcissists aren't sapient.

@edward9487

Жыл бұрын

@@ViirinSoftworks Or self-aware.

Knowing Sarah was a homestuck fan as a younger teen and knowing from personal experience that that group used to Idolize hussie back in the day as some sort of god of comedic and dramatic writing, I can’t imagine how it must have felt to receive these patronizing, condescending, roundabout emails from someone you used to love as a creator and realize “oh, they suck actually”.

@CookedPages

2 жыл бұрын

Never meet your heros.

@jayiu9170

2 жыл бұрын

YES.

@a-s-greig

2 жыл бұрын

@@CookedPages You can't count on _anyone, especially_ your heroes.

@Delnyque

2 жыл бұрын

It hurts to watch these videos, I can’t imagine how it feels to create them

@Anna-tk7ui

2 жыл бұрын

@@CookedPages Only get a picture. You can't be disappointed by a picture.

See, the funny thing about this idea that the first video "did irreparable harm" to the Homestuck/What Pumpkin brand is that at least in my case, it's the exact opposite. I had only vaguely heard of Homestuck before, and while browsing this channel's catalogue, I saw the two Homestuck videos and thought that I'd watch them to find out what on Earth it was. The first video made me curious enough that I probably would have wanted to check it out, had I not known that the second video was about legal threats. This second video killed any interest I had in it, since it's clear that the creator is immature and vindictive, and like every power-tripping, abusive boss I've ever had.

@kaykeunil

Жыл бұрын

Ikr like I had basically only heard the word Homestuck and nothing about it, and so when I watched the video I was like huh. Cool, an interesting fandom. It’s nice that people found a community in the comic. And then I got to here and was like…ah. I see that any interest I had in looking into it is gone

@higztv1166

Жыл бұрын

homestuck is good tho

@toptextbottomtext6104

Жыл бұрын

@@higztv1166 Eh, is it though? IMO it very much has the feel of a very rough first draft (which by all accounts, it is)

@higztv1166

Жыл бұрын

@@toptextbottomtext6104 but it has so many amazing moments and ideas and characters and world-building Not all of homestuck is good, it has a lot of shitty parts too, but when it's good it's reeeeaaally good

@cavalierqoon

10 ай бұрын

A year later. Basically same.

"The damage is already massive and irreparable" Uh, it feels like Cindy doesn't really know what "irreparable" means.

@alexander_markovski

10 ай бұрын

It means Big and Scary enough to frighten the Immature Little KZreadr into Taking Down The Evil Video, of course

@billveusay9423

6 ай бұрын

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"

Sending hollow legal threats to KZreadrs: always a smart move

@mpeanut5066

2 жыл бұрын

Lindsay I love you and I'm glad you're around 💜

@pukeleterson9512

2 жыл бұрын

This sure does sound familiar Lindsay 🤔

@TheGrinningViking

2 жыл бұрын

I'd have called it an Alpha move if I was you, but I'm a bit of a smart ass 😎👍

@skulIastica

2 жыл бұрын

If I had a dime for whenever a youtuber got a legal threat from an out-of-touch lawyer, I would have 2 dime. While it's not much, it weird that it happened twice..

@warlordofbritannia

2 жыл бұрын

The legend, the menace, the Ellis, Lindsay herself!

Its so wild that "commentary KZreadr gets dragged into extremely stupid legal trouble" has become a genre of video all to itself

@anndroid5147

2 жыл бұрын

it's a rite of passage at this point

@yeahsuredude7082

2 жыл бұрын

it's quickly becoming my favourite genre

@lavendelchen

2 жыл бұрын

can so tell me of other instances? just out of curiousity

@marcosmohamed3046

2 жыл бұрын

@@lavendelchen Lindsay Ellis Omegaverse lawsuit

@roelin360

2 жыл бұрын

@@lavendelchen Jim Sterling, Lindsay Ellis, H3H3 and IHateEverything. There may be more but I can't remember or don't know.

“I don’t care much about policies of secrecy” proceeds to try to make Sarah swear to secrecy and put positive spin on her reporting for the length of a college thesis

Jesus, no wonder Homestuck was so long and convoluted, Andrew Hussy is PROLIFIC in these emails

@a.dennis4835

7 ай бұрын

Brevity is the soul of wit.

The more Hussie talked, the more believable the apparently untrustworthy Gio post became. And boy did Hussie talk a lot.

@badlydrawnturtle8484

2 жыл бұрын

Partway through the Hussie section, I was thinking "So THIS is why lawyers tell you to speak as little as possible."

@Grunk369

2 жыл бұрын

When I heard “eighteen thousand words.” I knew this was going to be a ride. My first ever novella was 25 thousand words, barely more than Hussies drawn out messages.

@Sniperbear13

2 жыл бұрын

and honestly, i don't even think he was really reading the Email's Sarah was sending.

@jamzee_

2 жыл бұрын

Andrew, fucking, Hussie.

@jerkdently5994

2 жыл бұрын

What I find impressive is the level of narcissism it must take for Hussie to have been totally unaware of what an unprofessional, paranoid, vindictive, petty, duplicitous, manipulative and condescending tyrant they made themselves out to be when corresponding with Sarah. To think that was legitimately their best attempt at portraying their company in the most positive possible light is genuinely entertaining to me. I love how Sarah Z reacted with the poise and emotional restraint needed to draw information out of a frustrating person like Andrew Hussie. I wonder how all those Kickstarter contributors will feel when they learn the true nature of who they gave their money to.

Ironically, by covering all of Homestuck history, Sarah has become a part of Homestuck history.

@GayAndDog

2 жыл бұрын

What an Icon

@burneraccountforthewin

2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for another video in a few months or years that includes this interaction as part of Homestuck history

@jupitermelichios392

2 жыл бұрын

perhapse the real homestuck was inside us all along

@dseray9494

2 жыл бұрын

She has become the very thing she swore to destroy Kindof

@GameTornado01

2 жыл бұрын

It's the circle of life

“Did you not justly credit people?” “No! We’d never do that! All we did was decide not to put someone’s name in the credits because of their statements when in other contexts we would.”

this all just reads to me as someone's passion project getting really, _really_ out of hand and finding themselves in a possition of responsability over a whole lot of people without having the slightest idea of how to treat employees properly

@timgoldberg3333

2 жыл бұрын

This happens all the time when small businesses get big. Just because someone is able to run a little homegrown business and make money off it does not mean they're qualified to manage an expanding corporate entity with an obligation to produce, legal responsibilities, and hundreds of employees. Hussie seems like somebody that got big off a passion project, thought he could handle being a big shot, and now the weight of every bad decision he's ever made in that role is pressing down on him. His emails to Sarah come across to me like the desperate ramblings of somebody who's trying to talk their way out of a bad situation without seeming like that's what they're doing, hence the rambling non-answers and general air of affected arrogance. He knows he screwed up, the only question is how much will it cost him?

@tsg_frank5829

Жыл бұрын

Hussie, a guy that was drawing and writing webcomics for mostly his own amusement and that of a small audience on the internet, most of them being extremely niche and appealing only to people with his kind of humor or cultural background, happens to start a webcomic that by premise and circumstance explodes in popularity to absurd degrees, becoming a cultural movement online and attracting a mass of young kids that obsessively dedicate themselves to the project. Yeah, it clearly went beyond it's original scope and it was too much to handle for him and as the years went by he started caring less and less about his own creation and leaving it up to the fans to pick up the scraps, i mean most of the good parts weren't really his anyway (art, sprites, music, animation) so the fact that by the end of it he just gave complete authority to fans in an attempt to rid himself of responsibility and then failed? yeah. Funny how people always considered him as this mastermind gigabrain that always knew what it was doing, when clearly he wasn't at all.

@TheStarBlack

Жыл бұрын

To me it reads like the guy got blinded by the dollar signs in his eyes and decided to fleece his fans for every penny he could get out of them while providing next to nothing in return. It's just greed, plain and simple.

@KetsubanSolo

Жыл бұрын

@tsg_frank5829 I do remember he went to great lengths to say that Homestuck was a warmup for something bigger he wanted to do, and he basically kept the comic dragging because he kept trying to tie in fandom memes into the lore. If he wasn't such a jerk I'd feel really bad that the thing he clearly wanted to be more known for (Psycholonials) is just some weirdass VN dumped on Steam and what he will be remembered for will be a webcomic that had a massive following and then basically went off the rails.

sarah: asks a question andrew: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jedi would tell you. It’s a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

@MxSherwood

2 жыл бұрын

I love this particular joke bc we know from experience (Palpatine) that not knowing when to let something go is one of the best ways to ruin everything it touches

@AmberLecuyer

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaoooo 🤣

@talesfromthenuzlocke1619

2 жыл бұрын

Is it possible to learn this power? Not from a Webcomic

@klaklaplaplaleuszek9970

2 жыл бұрын

LMAOOOO >o

@colbaltheretic1518

2 жыл бұрын

ironic

Andrew Hussie won't rest until your fond memories of Homestuck stop breathing.

@202cardline

2 жыл бұрын

Omg Hussie wants to kill homestuck...the creature he birthed...

@tora189

2 жыл бұрын

weirdly enough, that can perfectly fit into the new homestuck continuity

@TeddieSage1987

2 жыл бұрын

It's not surprising. He had so many burnouts over this franchise. But the way he's disrespecting his fans is disgusting.

@Nadia1989

2 жыл бұрын

He wants to do a Karen Rowling

@carbonsinatrenchcoat

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot BELIEVE how hard he's trying to absolutely demolish what he has. It's incredible, really.

They can’t tell you what is false, because none of it was false. They can’t admit that because they could land themselves into a lawsuit themselves over their response.

*THEY SENT LEGAL THREATS WITHOUT WATCHING THE THING THEY WERE SENDING THREATS OVER.* Jesus. Tapdancing. Christ. I'd heard of Hussie and their comic years ago, and from all accounts of the things they did and posted, I thought for sure someone would cotton on to the fact that they weren't a good person...or at the very least, scamming their fans and laughing about it while the fans couldn't read between the lines. But to see Hussie revealed as a cartoon villain is...surreal, to put it mildly.

@cjhunt9532

Жыл бұрын

hussie said he hadn't seen it. the ceo of wp sent the threats. different people

@noizepusher7594

Жыл бұрын

He didn’t watch because he wanted to “stay unbiased” like the video was a piece of superfluous information rather than the entire topic of the discussion

@22sfs22

Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of the massive backlash around that one video on Doctor Who. If you know, you know. And if you don't you're better off that way.

@blackosprey2219

Жыл бұрын

I'll take "bullshit that'll get you laughed out of court" for 500, please.

@GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub

Жыл бұрын

@@noizepusher7594 the final boss of centrism

That emails SCREAMS "I'm not an attorney, but I'm going to try and word my email in a way that I think an attorney would word their emails because I want to scare someone into compliance" Actual attorneys (okay, competent ones who get the job done) don't send catty, passive aggressive emails like this. They send formal letters of demand that straight say "LETTER OF DEMAND" on the letterhead that outline exactly how badly they'll spank you in court based on all the causes of action they have already set up which they will dogpile onto you. This lady's scared.

@pharoahcaraboo9610

2 жыл бұрын

The Addison Cain vibes are immense.

@oyecomova5478

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly, someone was either feeling high and mighty or wanted to make people think they were.

@k.morningstar7983

2 жыл бұрын

you're saying a real lawyer doesn't call someone a bad journalist and bad content creator based on ageism?

@leo9597

2 жыл бұрын

@@k.morningstar7983 i think they’re saying they say that but in outright legalese and formal letters

@thescholarlychronicler1805

2 жыл бұрын

@@k.morningstar7983 -- Lawyers have decorum, they will word a letter that gets straight to the point. They already have tight schedules career wise, so the letter will be clear, and not fuck around. In other words, it will be dictated by a professional, and will damn well present as such.

DAMN get yourself a Dave, that man didn’t hold BACK

@DravenUrei

2 жыл бұрын

This is such a funny comment if you just imagine it as Dave from Homestuck going back to Hussie like "Yeah, no. You're not suing shit."

@goingghost8297

2 жыл бұрын

Dave is my hero and if I imagine him as Dave strider it works.

@evo683

2 жыл бұрын

@@DravenUrei I fucking love this image

@hellothere702

2 жыл бұрын

Is it bad that I really wanted Dave to escalate it and just be like "okay if you think you have such a good case sue us, go ahead try it"

@ShootingStarNeo

2 жыл бұрын

@@goingghost8297 Todd in the Shadows is now my headcanon Dave Strider voice.

Threatening to weaponize your fandom against a someone who just reported publicly available information is despicable.

"SARAH Z YOU ARE HEREBY LEGALLY REQUIRED BY THE COURT OF ME TO BE NICE TO MEEEEEEEEEEE (specifically by lying, concealing and obfuscating)"

Andrew Hussy is literally like a cartoon villain accidentally explaining his entire plan to the protagonist and unraveling himself in the process

@lolafendetti970

2 жыл бұрын

big 'ill-advised villain monologue' vibes

@katgames101

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao yess

@viraltang

2 жыл бұрын

"You see Perry platypus it's not my fault for this massive cock up of a mess but before we continue I first must have to ask if you-"

@Lucifersfursona

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely breathtaking comment

@Blueeyesthewarrior

2 жыл бұрын

What a fucking ghoul they are.

pissing myself about how sarah, who is “very young”, is the only one acting like a professional adult in this exchange

@danielleverdant1100

2 жыл бұрын

Then they squeezed in "ignorant" like 🤦‍♀️

@shytendeakatamanoir9740

2 жыл бұрын

Dave's response was pretty great, but yeah

@thebreadcircus

2 жыл бұрын

I'm only a few minutes in and I already want to see the rest based on this comment alone. And also because of the intro to the video. And also because, Sarah Z.

@luckyc4t110

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielleverdant1100 "Ignorant" is such an odd insult to use when the information that would alleviate said ignorance has been intentionally kept under wraps by the person talking.

@deanna5280

2 жыл бұрын

I stan Dave too but yeah

My favourite part of this is that I suddenly realised they seem to think Sarah's legal surname is Z and I just burst out laughing while doing the laundry. (that said, maybe it is, I don't know. But it's funnier if it's not)

@celisewillis

8 ай бұрын

😂 right? It's like if they called Hbomberguy "Mr Guy" or Philosophytube "Mrs Tube"

so wild how quickly andrew in these emails is oscillating between "i don't have any intention of being inflammatory UwU" and "that really inflammatory and threatening 'legal' letter we sent to u was completely okay and justified, actually" god what a piece of work

@BarioIDL

11 ай бұрын

the voice over ain't help much with the cringe

Hussie writes emails like they wrote Homestuck: unnecessarily verbose and complicated, dramatic, and hard to understand on first read.

@jeshirekitenkatt1212

2 жыл бұрын

we thought he was playing an eccentric character for pr but he really is that insufferable lmao

@rayres1074

2 жыл бұрын

Isn't that literally the whole charm of Homestuck lmao. If you want straightforward writing then you shouldn't read it, it's like complaining that Ulysses is confusing or watching 30 episodes of Twin Peaks and saying you thought it was way too surreal

@eduardosolistinoco9698

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayres1074 As I said once to my friends "Homestuck is Shitpost-the-webcomic, and it's probably why I enjoy shitpost so much"

@littlemissmello

2 жыл бұрын

I've never read Homestuck, but these emails from Andrew read like a 15 year old fanfiction writer trying to write an "official" letter to their mary sue in their fic

@a.s.1659

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayres1074 imagine comparing homestuck to ulysses or twin peaks, LMAO

my favourite thing about companies threatening youtubers is that they think they're scaring them but they are literally just giving youtubers free content to post

@tylerrichardson3034

2 жыл бұрын

@Jaquan Kelsor That's why a lot of KZreadrs have patreons and get sponsors, so they don't have to rely on the KZread money, so if that did happen they wouldn't be going anywhere.

@mirabeaux851

2 жыл бұрын

Companies all talk about how they really aren’t evil _and then proceeded to act evil_

@SlashCampable

2 жыл бұрын

@Jaquan Kelsor What the fuck are you talking about?

@paulpinecone2464

2 жыл бұрын

Actually the threats usually work. That's why they're a good calculated risk. We get a skewed sample because we only see the ones where KZreadrs could afford to be pissy about it. How often do you see a KZreadr take exception to corporate lawyers, the community fails to rally, and then the channel fades away with its tail between it's legs? It isn't that that can't happen, it's that those without backing and a slamdunk case decide employment is the better part of valor and take down the damn video. What's one vid compared to the good you're doing with your entire platform? So why don't we get the snarky follow-ups from those guys? Because the Hold Harmless includes a Shut Up clause.

@ILikedGooglePlus

Жыл бұрын

Peak Jimquisition

Some of Hussie's e-mails read sooo much like how my abuser used to speak to me, especially during arguments; seems so passive aggressive and condescending lmao

@placeholderdoe

Жыл бұрын

Sorry that you were abused, I really hope you’re doing better now and are free of them

@clownvictim

Жыл бұрын

@@placeholderdoe I'm away from them now and I'm definitely getting better and healing from the damage they caused. :') Thank you so much for this reply it's really sweet and means a lot to me

@placeholderdoe

Жыл бұрын

@@clownvictim that’s sick! Have a great day!

You know... watching your Homestuck video was the most positive homestuck-related thing I've ever done. It gave me an appreciation for the series that no one had before, and humanized Hussie and his work. Too bad these legal threats made me throw all of that out the window LMAO

@LeGurdah

3 ай бұрын

I agree. I'll confess that I saw Gio's blog posts on the Hiveswap fiasco _first,_ years long before I actually sat down this evening and finally watch these two videos, so right from the word "go," my perception of Andrew Hussie was already irreversibly tainted (with that said, I could easily infer some of what Sarah was talking about, helped by my prior experience with reading Homestuck extensively back in 2016.) (My opinions on What Pumpkin got a tad worse after I re-read those blog posts as they were updated over the years.) Just after finishing the first video (not realizing it had a follow-up until a few minutes after the fact,) I didn't think much about how my negative opinions of Hussie and WP would change. _Well..._ I didn't think 'twould change much _until_ I watched said follow-up, this video. 'Thas been an honest-to-god long time since I winced in agony, and this time 'tis over Cindy's, ''er, "threat," and Andrew Hussie's ludicrous and mental-gymnastics-ing _chain_ _of_ _emails,_ on top of the passive-malicious wording, constant usage of that "poison" euphemism, tap-dancing around the _main_ subjects they were supposed to respond to, and... don't get me started on the treatment of employees and the crediting crap. 'Twill be fucking tougher for me to come back to the web-comic I once loved so much after... all of that.

"We were in over our heads and poorly managed this project, and anyone who correctly identified this situation was attacked without mercy so that we came off as cruel instead of incompetent."

@MissAlmostFine

2 жыл бұрын

This is it.

tell me why i won't watch a movie but i'll happily watch 3.5 hours back to back about a fandom i was never a part of

@laurahinze4035

2 жыл бұрын

Lolol saaaame

@pyrosfolly5698

2 жыл бұрын

Me rn

@dognut7289

2 жыл бұрын

Also me rn at 3 a.m.

@ArianaSB1797

2 жыл бұрын

Im late, but yeah me too

@armageddongirl612

2 жыл бұрын

you should read homestuck :)

My god the email is written like if Charles Dickens had narcissistic personality disorder and ran a callout post blog

@Chorismos

Жыл бұрын

r/rareinsults...... or smt like that IDK how reddit works....

@nejdalej

4 ай бұрын

Oh my god this is the best joke I've heard all week 😂