I was on a prescribed heavy dose of narcotic painkillers for years. I have never believed in a god. And I quit them... to say that a god is needed to beat addictions really does a dis-service to the human mind. I know that isn't what he said, but others have.

@RedKytten

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 I made a decision that it was time to come off them... they were not helping as much as they should be as the foggy mind was not a trade-off I was willing to make any more. The desire was gone at that point, I just had to endure the physical withdraw symptoms.

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo BS. Everyone has physical withdrawal symptoms, yours may have been lessened to a degree by other factors, but you still had them. Every drug is different. Some drugs produce significant physical withdrawal (alcohol, opiates, and tranquilizers). Some drugs produce little physical withdrawal, but more emotional withdrawal (cocaine, marijuana, and ecstasy). Every person's physical withdrawal pattern is also different. You may have just experienced little physical withdrawal.

Every generation thought they would be the generation that would fulfill the book of revelation. People are so narrow minded that they don't believe the billions of Hindus and Muslim who exist don't also believe that their prophecies have come to pass. There are just billions of these people for no reason.

"Christianese" made me spit my drink out... lol

Fred has an addictive personality, now he is addicted to religion.

@Icecoldhard

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Yes...Iike I know you.

@Icecoldhard

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Nah...you can tell a lot about a person by their words.

Guy sounds like he's on uppers.

@bsqwahlE

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe manic?

@lewisner

4 жыл бұрын

He is bouncing off the walls.

Fred is almost childlike

I stopped using Opiates and h3r0in without god. My husband is a h3r0in addict and never has he used god to recover and overcome. The 12 steps are sketchy - you have to go to a place of shame and helplessness (which is a cause of addiction.). Smart Recovery is secular and evidence based.

The Dutch say "Gezondheid" which is equal to the German "Gesundheit". Basically 'good health (to you)'

Xaddict-*God cured my addiction* God-*Who wants some alchemist rum made out of water* ???

Connecting again to your imagination as a kid with a clear mind helps you believe in anything

I gave up smoking after umpteen attempts about 20 years ago after reading Allen Carr's "Easy Way To Stop Smoking." God, or The Gods had bugger all to do with it.

Gawd gave me three hearts before I stopped smoking praise the king of kindness .

one of my fave prophecies is tyre

@KevinChantal

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Tyros prophecies is a good one. I was in Tyros myself I took pictures from the city. I showed this pictures my christian friend and he was very shocked. But unfortunately he is still Christian

@KevinChantal

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 I know there is a city and an island . But both of them are no ruins! I got the pictures

@KevinChantal

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 You are only in parts correct. Yes there are ruins but isnt the rock described in the prophecy because there are parts that are rebuilt . I saw it and got pictures. One simple to you: How old do you think is the earth?

@KevinChantal

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 The problem is that the ruin place is so small that we cant speak about fullfilled prohecy. And by the way what do you think will happen if somebody tries it? Also the Nebukadzer part is wrong!

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo “Amazingly detailed fulfilled prophecy” Translation: Vague AF nonsense 10 believers will ‘interpret’ 10 different ways. 😂🤦‍♂️ Just ignore all the unfulfilled ones I guess. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

It's not really hard to believe that people who "Find the lord" change their behavior drastically. When you go to places like rehab or whatever, what do they try to do? They want to change things about you. First you change who you hang out with. You can't be hanging around with your old friends if you want to quit doing your old behaviors. Then they want to change your habits. Where you go and what you do. You change these little things about your life in order to change that one big thing. So what's an easy way to change everything about you, your friends, your habits and haunts, all at once. And not only that but just beyond your habits and friends, finding religion changes you as a person in more dramatic ways anyway. When I was religious, EVERYTHING was filtered through my belief. Whenever I had a doubt, I'd feel a little twinge of guilt. Your opinions change, your behavior changes, even your thought patterns change. You read different books, you watch different media, you talk to different people. Your appearance might even change if maybe you dressed immodestly or in some way that doesn't serve God. So, yeah. You're probably going to stop using your drugs too. The problem is, this solution might last as long as your religious euphoria lasts or maybe as long as your religious belief lasts but you haven't REALLY addressed the problem. I don't know how long it will help. I'm not a psychologist but it stands to reason that if you begin to change for other reasons, since sometimes people change, well, who knows? All I can really say about it is, beyond your pastor, you might want to consider at least trying a real professional head shrinker too. I'm sure there's much joy in your church every Sunday but to quote a wise man, "Shit happens!" Who knows what could just throw you right back into your old thought patterns once again. Maybe a major trauma, maybe a shitty day at work. But I would at least consider it if I were you.

He couldn’t help himself, right at the end. 😔

I was chronic alcoholic for around 5 years and got to the point just wanting to fall asleep and not wake up. One night i prayed to god for some kind of help and a week later i got liver disease. I recovered (eventually) and never touched alcohol after that! True story.

@anfo_4241

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting coincidence, nothing more. Good to hear you recovered.

@josepabloceniceros3483

5 жыл бұрын

Mana I bet they told you that that liver disease was god working in “mysterious ways”

@mana3735

5 жыл бұрын

@@josepabloceniceros3483 haha,...no...that's what I said!! It does sound good though, doesn't it? It's basically painting a target around the arrow. My mum and the NHS were my real saviours.

@mana3735

5 жыл бұрын

@@anfo_4241 Thanks, Anfo ;)

20:57 oh man, can someone please let me know what Fred the caller “just being funny” said to Eric? For the life of me I can’t understand it. “I’ll pray that something something though, Eric” is what I can discern so far. Ty

I really do worry about him relapsing. Mainly because of his statements of how easy it was and no withdrawal side effects. And that he put no effort into it. That if that urge to use becomes strong again, he might not be able to cope since he may only rely on prayer to move passed it. I really do hope he stays clean. Despite our difference in religious views, he does seem like an upbeat guy that can be a positive person to be around.

Are there any activities in Jacksonville FL? Clean up/brunch/gatherings? I've just found this group recently and am very interested in joining a like-minded community:)

All the book says is that a people would become dispersed, but would return to rebuilt the place. That's it. Is it amazing that it talks of a people, getting dispersed? Nope, cause people got dispersed (and hanging on to their culture) all the time. They still do (refugee crisis). And of course the Jews, who don't believe in Fred's Jesus, knew about these verses too. It were PEOPLE who founded Israel.

first like AND First comment? today is my day!!

@brinstarmedia1411

5 жыл бұрын

woot! you won the internet!! :) :)

Like the caller, I too have misunderstood my own argument.

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

Believers try to speak for atheists 24/7/365 by telling us how we think and what we believe, but have an aneurysm when someone does it to them. 😂🤦‍♂️

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo No, I’m not. But thanks for proving my point yet again. Can’t refute the argument so then go to insults and smartass remarks.

It sounds like he was merely using drugs for fun, not addicted. He's been told he was addicted just as some churches tell people that regular masturbation is necessarily an addiction. Only a minority of the population has the genetic make-up to become addicted to alcohol and cocaine. They're not like heroin.

Oh your God , did fred really just call Eric a dick under his breath ? Listen from 17:35 -17.40 😲 lol

I didnt want to be cured at all, that's why I took the time and said a prayer to cure me....because I definitely didnt want that

@DJ-73

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 if you listen to the beginning, around 16 seconds he talks about that he said a prayer and was cured from addiction from cocaine and alcohol. Around 26 seconds, he states that after the prayer, he no longer desired them.

@DJ-73

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 ok, what part of Florida? I was stationed at Cecil Field near Jacksonville when I was in the Navy.

@DJ-73

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 blood, brain matter, chunks of skull, etc. I work on decomps, suicides, murders, accidental injuries that require cleaning, etc.

Examples of good convincing prophecies if I were god 1. All the highest mountains will vanishing 11.08.2021 - As a god would take from the earth at this day (Mount Everest, K2 ...) 2. Nobody can see the moon for a whole month July 2023 3. Green rain at the same time on every place on earth 12.09.2025

@stevewebber707

5 жыл бұрын

My requirements for a convincing prophecy include: Specific and clear details. No self-fulfilling possibilities. Not explained by random chance I don't think I would even need physics defying events although those would get extra points. If a prophecy stated: Alexis Pritzker (made up name) woke up at 7:03 am August 12 2019, had breakfast (menu specified in excruciating detail) drove to work in a black Tesla S, arriving in 32 minutes and 47 seconds. If someone made that prophecy, preferably before Elon Musk was born, and it was fulfilled, I would sit up and take notice.

How did I not know about this channel? I have been watching The Atheist Experience for over a year but this channel seems to have the same hosts as the other? Are the two KZread channels recorded from the same shows or are they different?

@stevewebber707

5 жыл бұрын

I believe they use the same studio, and the hosts move back and forth between the channels, there are some differences, and a lot of similarities.

@pdutube

5 жыл бұрын

@@stevewebber707 Thanks! I've subscribed to this channel too now.

Why did Fred pray? Was it because they desired to stop? So why doesn't fred get any credit.

@bomblade15

5 жыл бұрын

@shonkee gogo So you had no desire, at all, to get off of drugs? Okay. You wanted to continue, but you prayed to Jesus to forgive your sins, he made you quit drugs. So he took away your free will. Sounds like you two are swell people.

@bomblade15

5 жыл бұрын

@shonkee gogo I’m assuming you are Fred, or are you trying to put words in his mouth?

@bomblade15

5 жыл бұрын

@shonkee gogo You had no desire to get sober, none at all. But you prayed to baby Jesus cause you were a sinner. Too bad baby Jesus doesn’t magically make all those millions and millions of people that pray daily to get sober. Such a pity that you’re savior isn’t much of a savior to the millions and millions of people suffering from addiction. I guess you’re one of the chosen ones.

@bomblade15

5 жыл бұрын

@shonkee gogo Cause I’m an asshole and feel I’m smarter than most people. But also cause it proves the point on just how illogical what you believe is.

First thing first, a reliable prophecy would require a specific time the event was going to happen as well as specific events not just vague generalizations. Otherwise, it is just like horoscopes.

@rainbowwizard1821

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Ok, explain it then.

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

Biblical prophecies are bullshit, you believers interpret the hell out of vague stories and ignore the ones that obviously are wrong/didn’t happen.

@Diviance

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Name a single successful prophecy in the bible that names a specific person, a specific place, a specific time and a specific reason. Just one.

@Diviance

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Why don't you name a prophecy that fits the requirements I mentioned? Because a prophecy needs to fit this requirements to be a prophecy. Since the bible prophecies are so specific, it should be easy for you. You are not just spouting foolishness.....are you?

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo That’s the point genius, you believers can spin those stories anyway you want, and claim they’re true because of the lack of specifics. So, no I’m not spouting foolishness. That would be you. As Diviance asked you, why don’t you name a single successful prophecy that names a specific person, place, time and reason. While you figure out how to interpret one to somehow try to prove its accuracy... Ezekiel 29:1-15, God states that Egypt will be made into a desolate wasteland: Since Ezekiel was penned, Egypt has never been recorded as a 'desolate waste'. There is no historical evidence of a time when people have not walked through Egypt; when for forty years Egypt was uninhabited after the civilization started there; or for when Egypt has been surrounded by other desolate countries. Ezekiel 30:12, God promises to dry up the Nile: There is no evidence that this has happened in recorded history. Isaiah 7:1-7, God tells the king of Judah that he shall not be harmed by his enemies. Yet it did come to pass, and his enemies did harm him. As the Bible itself in 2 Chronicles 28:1-8 says so. Isaiah 19:1-8, God said that the Nile river would dry up and the "waters shall fail from the sea": This is an interesting prophecy because Isaiah outlines a very clear timeframe; the alleged prophet is unmistakably referring to Pagan Egypt, which ceased to exist in the 4th Century. (Isaiah 19:1-3) Since then, Egyptians have stopped using charms, wizards, and there are no statue-worshipping idolaters anymore (Isaiah 19:3), so the reader can conclude this isn't an end times prophecy, unless one assumes they will resume doing these things. The prophet blatantly identifies the dried-up river (Isaiah 19:5) with the Nile (Isaiah 19:8). And he goes even further to say one of the seas Egypt borders will drain, and this appears to coincide with the Nile River drying up. There is absolutely no hint of this prophecy being interpreted symbolically or metaphorically. Isaiah actually goes out of his way to stress the literal, physical, carnal fulfillment of this prophecy. Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction. However.. Not only has the Canaanite language never been spoken by Egyptians, but it is now an extinct language. There is the very unlikely possibility Isaiah was referring to Hebrew, which is technically a Canaanite language. However, Hebrew was also never adopted by the Egyptians. And according to the context of this passage, Isaiah is specifically referring to Pagan Egypt, which ceased to exist in the 4th century (see above). So even if Egyptians started speaking Hebrew at this very moment, it would still be an inaccurate prediction, unless again they begin doing these things (highly unlikely). Also, it's worth noting that Isaiah believes the Egyptians will convert to Mosaic Judaism and start offering sacrifices to the LORD shortly after this incident (Isaiah 19:21)-a practice no longer done by Jews since the Temple was destroyed and priesthood lost. Exodus 23:25-31 Israel will extend from the Red Sea to the Euphrates: Israel's borders have rarely reached the Red Sea, and have never reached the Euphrates, which passes through Syria. Ezekiel 28:24-26 predicts that Israel will live in peace with its neighbors: A consistent aspect of history is that Israel has never gotten along with its neighbors. (Or, if you prefer, that its neighbors have never gotten along with it.) There's still hope that Israel and the neighbourhood will be peaceful one day, but it requires everyone in the region to stop "inflicting punishment" on each other. At several instances in the Old Testament God promises David that the descendants of Solomon will rule Judah forever. For example, in 2 Samuel 7:13-16. Unfortunately for the prophet Nathan, the Davidic line ended with King Zedekiah in about 586 BC. Biblical inerrantists, spotting a possible loophole, claim that Jesus, being descended from David, fulfilled this prophecy. Acts 2:29-31 However, there are many reasons this is an unsatisfactory solution. Aspects of the 2 Samuel reference above, specifically "When he does wrong," do not seem consistent with Christian doctrine of Jesus as the Son of God. Additionally, the line of kings is described as being continuous. This leaves unexplained the near 600-year gap between Zedekiah and Jesus. Further, there is the question of the Davidic line after Jesus, as he apparently died ascended childless. Note: Mark 6:3 and Matthew 13:55 as evidence for Jesus' siblings. Note: A precedent is previously set for biblical linage being a mantel rather then genetic linage due to Gen. 24 and 27, Jacob's theft of Esau's blessing and the selling of the birthright. In reality the only evidence available that Jesus is a descendant of David is in the genealogies in Matthew and Luke. The alleged prophecy stresses the literal descendancy from David. However, if the virgin birth doctrine be valid then Jesus is not actually the son of Joseph, making virgin birth seem incompatible with Jesus' descendancy from David. Finally, several Bible verses seem to indicate that Jesus is in fact *not* of the line of David. For example Matthew 22:41-45 states: While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says, 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet." ' *If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?"* The Bible is explicit about having David's descendants control the throne, forever. Jesus can't and doesn't "spiritually" control the physical affairs of the state of Israel. Even if he did, he came a few centuries after the Davidic line got severed. 2 Samuel 7:12-16 is explicit that the son of David, who would be one of David's biological offspring, would establish his unending kingdom. 400 years, while decent, falls short of unending -- Solomon cannot fulfill the prophecy. Jesus' father is irrelevant, because the son of David Biblically must be David's biological son -- adoption doesn't count. The author is pushing three separate "fulfillments" -- Solomon as biological successor, Jesus as nonbiological but "spiritual" successor, and Jesus as biological successor. None can be true at the same time. More evidence the writers can’t proof read or fact check.

Didn’t take his medication

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12 KJV

I keep saying this because there really isn't anything left to say: OMFG

i kicked drugs etc. without jesus( as many others have) Quit thinking you're "special" fred!

Sugar is addictive and plenty of people are addicted to sugar.......is Ben & Jerrys sinful now?

For some reason all I see for as lately on these videos are for garbage movies on pureflix

I think there's a lot you're missing about the whole prophecy thing. Usually, when you look at these prophecies, they seem a lot more compelling when explained by the religionists. When you read it, to me it's like "What that's it?" But let's say that the Bible says something and it happened. What can we infer? Maybe it was a lucky guess. Maybe he extrapolated based on current events. Maybe there was a time traveller. Or, maybe someone really knew what was going to happen and he said it and someone wrote it down and it got in the Bible. Let's say we somehow eliminate the other possibilities even though there's potentially an infinite number of them. Okay great. Now what|? What can we infer from that? Nothing. Does it mean God exists? Nope. Does it mean other things in the Bible are true? Nope. Does it mean Christianity is true? Nope. It's another case of fractal wrongness. There's never one compelling part about it but even if I granted that part, and the next part, we never get to anything of substance. It's wrong based on wrong. I have one more point to make. At one point he describes his pastor talking about it. He says he knew very little about the Bible and he began to talk about these prophecies was amazed. Yeah. Preachers have a way of doing that don't they. They can make it seem SO convincing but think about it. What do you really know about it? Because when you were telling the story, you didn't really have at your disposal all those eloquent little points he made. You were telling the story of someone else telling you how true it is. Look it up yourself for Pete's sake. Find out everything you can about it then you tell me how amazing it is. Never just trust someone else. Especially not someone who's highly motivated. (I mean psychologically motivated. Not financially or something like that.)

@PaulTheSkeptic

5 жыл бұрын

He did say that. And it's a good point. But there are a lot of other ways to go and a lot of other things to talk about. And again, I could grant everything about all the claims of prophecy and it still wouldn't mean anything.

@PaulTheSkeptic

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Oh yeah. There are lots of fallacious arguments used by religionists. I mean, it's really a prerequisite. One can't actually believe without being skilled in self deception.

Anecdotal evidence is useless for extraordinary claims. I met the ghost of Elvis. Autograph? Oh, no! I forgot. Cell phone photo? Oh, no! I had my cell phone and didn't take a picture. Drat!

Israel did not reform. It's people were scattered, interbred with the local populations of where they were scattered /to/ over many generations, and then their descendants were given a bunch of land where the old Israel used to be (which had since been renamed as Palestine, btw), and the stolen land was renamed again as Israel in honor of the historic home *that they lost*. Key phrase there. Israel did not reform, a NEW Israel was founded in place of the old. If Israel did, in fact, reform, it's exact peoples would have come back and the country would be functioning as it once did before the Diaspora. That's not the case. That cannot possibly be the case. Ergo, Fred, it doesn't matter that the Jewish people were scattered "2,000 years ago", because the people that were scattered did not return, and the country their descendants founded is not the same country that their ancestors called home. It's New Israel.

@NoahofWill

5 жыл бұрын

Pedantic, I know, but this is basic fucking logic.

Fred is still on and doing powder

@ammarsiddiqui3586

5 жыл бұрын

most probably

You need psycriathic help,will to accept that help and self control,no religion or beleifs needed,if it works for you than so be it,great but not everyone works like that.

@kurokoro

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 I highly doubt that he doesnt crave it and the supernatural isnt a thing that has been proven,the guy probably is really into religion now and thus control himself from "sin" as he fears to fail and go against his beleif.

@kurokoro

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 And you actually beleive his claim and know him personally?Also doesnt he fears god or to fail and fall in sin and be condemned in hell for eternity like every other christian does?

@kurokoro

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 Ok if you say so.

Fred argues well overall but is still unsound in logical premises and deductions.

@influenzaz1012

5 жыл бұрын

He doesn't argue well period lol assertions upon assertions

@influenzaz1012

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 lmfao if there was prophecy people tried to fullfil for over 2000 years of course the chances are high as fuck, the prophecy fits the creation of the US lol became a nation in one day. If you make a broad prophecy that take 2000 years thats just horrible. Plus you have people actively trying to work and pursue that prophecy for 2000 years. If i said the end times will yeild war, famine, desease, and choas and it happens is it prophecy or a general prediction??? Idiots like you are why Isreal is slaughtering innocent people and sniping children to fullfil prophecy backed by the religious nutz in the US because they want Jesus to comeback. Lmao believing in bronze tales of people who knew jack about reality.

@influenzaz1012

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 its not assertions its insights on 2000 years of atremptinf to fullfil a prediction lmfao if anyone had 2000 years to try to make something happen it most likely would, its not concrete evidence of anything idiot. Like how disproving that the earth is round doesnt mean its then flat.

So called atheists know there is a God because they're taking His name in vain.

@sigma5253

5 жыл бұрын

Well God damnit, you're right. So glad God is a weak pedophile with no power over me.

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo God damn Santa and his reindeer! And the Easter Bunny can F himself! And IF your God actually existed and gave a damn about his creation, rather than be a deadbeat dad and a bad landlord, he’d answer prayers from the 16k parents whose children die daily from hunger related illnesses. The people God has power over are believers. Only those who consider themselves "sinners" need “salvation." It is a religious solution to a religious problem. A moral person is accountable. If my actions cause unnecessary harm, intentionally or unintentionally, then my "salvation" comes in trying to correct that harm, or to repair the damage as much as possible.

@SkyonPyon

5 жыл бұрын

@@redeemedone8553 lmao

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo So, yet again it’s painfully obvious you can’t refute the argument so you go to smartass insults. I do not ‘need’ salvation. And guess what Sparky, quoting verses doesn’t mean a damn thing to me or any other atheist. I can say anything vile about your imaginary friend I want to, like why the F isn’t rape on his top ten list of things you can’t do. Evidently rape is ok with Him seeing as how He ignores rapists buying their victim from their father for a fist full of cash, and condones kidnapping women as spoils of war.

@AC-gb7do

5 жыл бұрын

shonkee gogo “I am a horror to children.” How exactly isn’t that insulting? Again, you can’t refute the argument so insults and smartass remarks are believers’ go to moves. “Who is Sparky?” Do I really need to explain sarcasm to you? 🤦‍♂️🙄🤨