I love over-engineering, makes for some of the coolest designs.

@jamesbizs

4 жыл бұрын

Guy this isn’t over engineering. They engineered it the only way they could, in order to make this mechanism work. It’s not normal engineering

@854gehx7

4 жыл бұрын

You need to see the M1909 then

@rebel6301

3 жыл бұрын

i love overengineering too.

@RK-ej1to

2 жыл бұрын

How very German of you

@theromanorder

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed its also fun to reverse engineer them

I can see how this version required pretty much the least amount of modification to upgrade a single shot rifle. The modified bolt and base plate are easily swapped out and could be mass produced seperately. I suspect the idea behind the design was to produce something that could be applied by anyone in the field provided you had the new parts.

@ghostmanscores1666

Жыл бұрын

good point.

I love these weird guns. I only wish you had some snap caps so we could see the action work.

@Nukle0n

8 жыл бұрын

+Ryawshum I don't think it's easy to find snap-caps for 11x60R Mauser.

@Ryawshum

8 жыл бұрын

I know. But a man can wish.

@JohnLeePedimore

8 жыл бұрын

+Nukle0n I'm too cheap to buy snap caps so I take an expended cartridge case and de-cap the primer.Then I fill the primer pocket with hot glue.The glue is kind of pliable and elastic and I've never damaged a firing pin with this method.

@suddenwall

8 жыл бұрын

+Nukle0n Maybe someone could 3d print some snap caps with the primer areas hollowed out. I guess a softer plastic would be best, since it would stand less of a chance of damaging an antique.

@JigJoss

8 жыл бұрын

+JohnLeePedimore too poor, you meant

can you imagine how crazy the webbing would have looked for those magazines?

@kevinoliver3083

6 ай бұрын

They would probably have issued just one magazine per rifle; to be refilled in situ. Even if there was a carrying case it would looked similar to an ordinary cartridge pouch. And being German, in the 1880s, it would have been leather.

That is really clever.

@williamhayden7711

8 жыл бұрын

+TheSkipjack95 I thought it also very well thought out. For what it is. Obviously this is NOT battle ready, but that aside a lot of thought went into the design. I find it fascinating.

@HeatherSpoonheim

8 жыл бұрын

+William Hayden I find it fascinating that these sorts of things were designed without the benefit of CAD software, 3D modelling, or even calculators. They really had to role up their sleeves and hit the drawing board back then.

@HeatherSpoonheim

8 жыл бұрын

+George W (Rrolf) You are a descendant of Babbage?

@azmanabdula

8 жыл бұрын

+Heather Spoonheim What was that about steam powered computers?

@HeatherSpoonheim

8 жыл бұрын

+azmanabdula Magik!

"It's sort of a very steampunk sort of external lever and mechanical setup sort of...device." That's unironically the best description for this thing, captures the weirdness really well. :D

Beautiful looking rifle, would like to see some cartridges cycled through to get a better idea of the concept

i really enjoy learning about these dead ends in technology because they spark all kinds of interesting what if questions. Its fun to imagine what the world might look like today if some of those bizarre dead ends were instead technological mile stones or even revolutions.

That looks steampunk as fuck.

I love these intermediary designs between single shots and modern semi

That magazine has some downright amazing sheet metal work that has gone into it, all of those compound curves would be a nightmare for production! One part that you didn't explain, It seems like the little lever on the outside far right was a shell feeding mechanism to only allow one cartridge into the loading area at a time. You can see the little finger protruding into the inside of the magazine where it would make contact with the cartridges. Each time the cover closes it would allow the cartridges to freely feed into the loading area, then cut it off once the cover opened and hold the cartridges back. It is a pretty ingenious system considering how little the original firearm would have to be modified, receive remains untouched, bolt could be refitted with an adapted bolt handle, only a new trigger guard/floor plate. but it's not as simple as a gun should be, too many moving parts to fail in the feeding mechanism. Thanks for the video Ian I always learn something new by watching. I'm going to join you patreon shortly!

What I really like about your videos is that you are so concerned about history- you know SO much about all those interesting- and important, historical details!

Love the extra little clicks when feeding a new round. Must sound awesome in full-motion

Pretty smart idea and a great recycling idea.

These videos are always so cool and informative, thank you.

I really enjoyed the cool design of the magazine mechanisms. Very interesting. Thanks, Ian.

Thanks for showing. It is amazing at the time period that someone thought of that. Cool design very rare.

Man i really like the way this magazine functions.

Un-flipping believable. What a great job you have. I have seen enough of your videos to know that you are good at what you do but...wow, what a great gig you have going there.

This conversion is really clever and so enjoy your video's. Being a gun collector you think you know a lot till I watch you.

Beautifully designed.

One of the best Mauser mods. I've ever seen. Too bad it wasn't adopted. No more problems with the "Spitzer" pointy bullets soon to come!

I have to say that I love these videos. So many interesting and quirky guns.

I love this! It turns the G71 into a magazine rife with minimal modifications. Something like this would’ve probably been the half-live upgrade for this rifle, if it ever got one.

@allangibson2408

2 жыл бұрын

Quarter life upgrade (they were still in use in WW1 35 years later).

Now that is really cool! Thanks Ian!

Holy hell Ian really doesn’t age! Im watching this in 2022 and had to double check its really from 2015, as he looks exactly the same as his most recent video i saw, good stuff man!

Thank you very much for this very interesting and insightful video :)

You keep pumping videos out so fast Ian that you're beginning to set a precedent!

No, KZread, I do not want to watch a T-rex learning the Macarena after watching this.

genius!! what an amazing design!

what a form fitting magazine. really clever design too.

@pRahvi0

4 жыл бұрын

Probably somewhat unreliable and/or espensive. Otherwise they would've made all magazines like that, I think. But the idea is cool.

That magazine seems to be very well made and of high quality material.

Absolutely fascinating...Thank you for your presentations. I think you are extremely knowledgeable. You should have your show on the Outdoor Channel!

I really wish you could shoot all these really cool experimental guns , they are so cool

I'm a liberal European who's never really held a gun but this channel has shown me how interesting the history and engineering of them can be

@nosuchthingasshould4175

5 жыл бұрын

Same.

Guns and mouse traps inspire ingenuity.

That's an awesome mechanism

Very cool rifle! Thanks!

so ahead of its time

Thank you your videos are very interesting to me

At first I thought it was a Johnson-esk rotary magazine. The horseshoe design makes it all the more interesting.

Do you think you will ever take a look at the Mauser M98K F1?

God, I Love these Videos!!

Very interesting and informative video thanks.

Thank you for the birthday present! :D

very cool. great vid.

Very cool design :)

Beautiful rifle thanks for these alls video veere

Exchangeable magazine in the 1880's brilliant!

Please, write a book with all those marvellous weapons and photo documentation, i'll buy it.

Does this count as the first detachable mag fed rifle?

@SSgtCalebP

6 жыл бұрын

Shekel-Man I think the Remington-Lee or a variant of it came out commercially around 1879ish with the removable box magazine . And the Spencer used a removable tube magazine in the buttstock.

Whoever worked on developing that horseshoe magazine had quite the clever mind!

This rifle is so steampunk; nice find Ian!

@baron8107

8 жыл бұрын

+TheNextGamer87 Get in touch with the Nexus. Someone will want to make something like this.

@ceedeeplayer118

8 жыл бұрын

+TheNextGamer87 If I only knew 3d modeling I could already have done several of this stuff for FO3/NV/4 But as long as I'm terrible at it there aren't many chances

@ceedeeplayer118

8 жыл бұрын

***** I would more like to know what the hell happened to China, after all they are the main cause of all of it. Then France that relies a lot in nuclear energy, a nuke there would probably cause a domino effect that would affect the countries and, last of all, most of the nations around France would be very interesting to know how they manage to hold up with the radioactive winds. Well, obviously here we're mostly to talk about weapons, but there's still need for something to glue the thing together.

@trevorstewart3904

8 жыл бұрын

+54Simon54 I was recently re-reading Neuromancer where it is alluded to that Bonn was destroyed in some sort of nuclear incident. As Fallout 4 had also just come out, I was thinking the same thing, Germany/Europe would make a great setting for a fallout game (also, while I've nothing but love for the city, I'd like to see my old haunt of Hamburg in post-apocalyptic mode)

@Jorvard

8 жыл бұрын

+CeeDee Player A canceled Fallout game would have taken place in China (partly). It was planned that a cult of followers of a new chinese emperor tried to launch a superweapon against the US and the faction of the player. While it is fair to say that China is responsible for the radioactive wasteland in North America, I wouldn´t blame them for the war. Who started it remains debateable, even though one NPC in the Fallout Universe claimed "the damn reds" to be the initial attackers. But he was a US-Government figure, so he wasn´t the most reliable source. Keep in mind that Fallout does not take place in a post-apocalyptic version of our world. The US in 2077 have probably reached the peak of nuclear energy use, as cars, household objects and handguns are powered by it. Cramming more reactors into one square mile than we see in the Fallout Universe would be hard, so France would probably equally or less fucked than the US. Also a reactor doesn´t explode just because it is hit with from the blast of a nuclear bomb, and even if it gets damaged to the point of a worst case scenario, a explosion similiar to a bomb isn´t really what would happen. It would irradiate a great area around the plant, but not as spectacular as one would hope.

It's amazing that something so intuitively simple like the spring fed box magazine weren't thought of until much later.

@mdlindsey

8 жыл бұрын

quentintin1 I admittedly don't know much about pre WWII firearms. Could you give me examples of box magazines from the mid 1800s? Thanks.

@RedXlV

8 жыл бұрын

+Dan L The first successful box magazine was the Remington-Lee 1879. Not mid 1800s, but it was at a time when most rifles if they were repeaters at all used a tube magazine. And yes, that's Lee as in James Paris Lee, designer of the Lee-Enfield.

I really love these 18th- and 19th-century kludge rifles. Muskets converted to breach loaders, breach loaders converted to magazine feed. It takes a special kind of cleverness to make it work. It's not as efficient, cost-effective, or compact as a purpose-built weapon, but it makes sense if you've already got obsolete rifles lying around. The 20th century didn't really have an equivalent, unless you count the handful of machine guns converted from bolt-action rifles.

Niesamowita broń. Super prezentacja.Pozdrowienia

True German Steam Punk. Very interesting and clever. Thanks for sharing.

Was the magazine reloadable while installed on the rifle?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+farenheit1100 Yep.

I like that wraparound pseudo-drum magazine design

Fantastic work of mechanical engineering of 1875.

Thank you!

Awesome gun. I want one.

tolle videos , die du da machst ! selbst wenn man das englische nur spärlich versteht wie ich , ist es leicht zu begreifen :-) great videos that you make there! even if one understands the English only sparingly, like me, it is easy to grasp :-D universal translator :)

That was cool, thanks

Why is it pulled from the auction?

@RockIslandAuctionCompany

8 жыл бұрын

+Hertog Willem While I don't personally know the answer, it is likely that we could not come to a final agreement with the consignor. Darn shame too with all the exposure he would've gotten from Ian's video.

@gi70st

8 жыл бұрын

+Rock Island Auction Company Its great that you have established a partnership with Ian! Not only does it increase exposure but Its a great way to share the history of these amazing and rare firearms. Without collectors and historians, so much of this interesting knowledge and heritage would be lost forever. Thank you!

@JigJoss

8 жыл бұрын

+gi70st i agree. here's the best place to learn about firearms

@1anthonybrowning

8 жыл бұрын

+Rock Island Auction Company That's too bad. I'm really curious to see what this prototype would go for. I just made a comment that it was too bad that Ian couldn't shoot it, but I know those opportunities are few and far between. The only ones I remember him shooting off the top of my head are automatics. I imagine having Ian demonstrate an old auto is fully functional is quite a boost come time to bid.

@paulmanson253

8 жыл бұрын

+Rock Island Auction Company I remember reading about this experimental improvement in the late 80s,and yes there was one small poor quality image in that book. Never even crossed my mind that what I just saw Ian do would happen. So I very much wish to thank both Ian and RIA for the opportunity and the cogent explanation. Way to go,fellas. This sharing of information to interested parties is what this whole technology does best. Good on you both.

Wow, innovative... no wonder it was pulled, who wouldn't want this baby!?

Fun Fact : This video contains more information on german history than the average german is aware of :) Well researched !

11mm? sweet jesus.

@realmenshoot3085

6 жыл бұрын

Agent Bill Wilson 45 caliber

@tulipan57

6 жыл бұрын

Tommy gun was 11.43mm

@amirbutcher2147

6 жыл бұрын

11mm of BLACK powder though, not the more modern smokeless powder. Its the same stuff used in muskets and shit, not what most everyone walked into world war one with. They needed it to be that big to compensate for the lack of power with just making the cartridge massive.

@stephenbutchko3833

6 жыл бұрын

That's gun Jesus to you

@catstuckinawaterbottlecrate

6 жыл бұрын

The idea was mass > speed. There was no real ballistic armor then, so what people did was have a bigger bullet to impart all the force, rather than a smaller bullet going faster. Black powder's less effective nature also played into this somewhat.

im all down for history + guns, but i would love to see this thing shooting.

really cool

Truly Cool!

I LOVE the horseshoe mag!

thats too dang cool, wonder how well it works but still neat.

reminds me for the external magazines made for the martini henry rifles

Huh. That's pretty snazzy. Definitely something worth seeing.

@Hedlum

8 жыл бұрын

+Hedlum I wonder if there could possible be remakes of this? I'd definitely like to shoot one myself and see/feel first hand how it works.

I think this might be inspired by the Krag Jorgensen rifle or maybe the Krag was inspired by this. Hm. Inspiring piece of work though.

@linksrepublikaner

4 жыл бұрын

I think the Krag was inspired by that rifle. Maybe not, but this rifle is about 15 years older than the Krag, so it could not have been inspired by the Krag.

This looks like Mauser saw the Farquhar-Hill, and designed this. Krag-Jorgenson saw this and designed their own. Don't you love how history builds on itself to create the most interesting ideas?

Kind of strange looking,but really ingenious set up.

super cool

Neat-O! I wonder if we will get to see an M1866/74 Gras rifle ( the Mauser M71's contemporary) with a "gravity" magazine.

Very cool

It's funny how overly complex they made actions until they figured out the easiest solution

This might have been the best-looking gun I ever rifle

I read about the trapdoor springfield with many experimental magazines. Do you ever have any specimens of it at RIA?

I think I'm missing something: In the brief moment when the dust cover is opened but before the bolt is manually closed, what's preventing the follower from spitting extra cartridges out?

@st0rmforce

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too. It looks like you'd just get a shower of cartridges

I like it!

Hi! Just stopped by to say I really enjoy your content! I wish you talked a little bit about what was wrong with this system, why it was impractical and ultimately unsuccessful, since it does look pretty dang brilliant!

Brilliant

Enev though the box can be removed was it meant as fix mag or detachable mag?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+Mark Schwartz It was intended to be fixed; they would not have issued multiple mags to soldiers.

@RandomOinker

8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons Assuming that they did manage to issue extra of these external clips, would it be reasonable to say it couldve been used as a detachable mag?

@trishooty4513

7 жыл бұрын

+RandomOinker They 'could" have, certainly, but at the time, it would not have been a viable option for a military to order extra magazines, each made specifically for each individual rifle, when the doctrine of the day was by order volley fire.

I suspect the magazines were either 1) unreliable OR 2) expensive to manufacture. Possibly both.

That looks like it might actually work... We've gotta get you an assortment of oddball dummy round / snap caps.

While not adopted I think it's quite a brilliant idea.

This has a great deal going in it's favor. Minimal work done on the actual rifle, none of which affected it in its primary role, a quick (relatively) change feature in case of in-the -field damage and the magazine lockout. These could be delivered pre-loaded as well. Frankly, it is the next best thing to a box magazine without the problems of more machining and having to be held up higher in the prone position. There was real promise shown here.

Would it have been too complicated to have added the bottom plate and modified bolt to the under barrel, tube fed model they adopted in the end so as to be able to use magazines as well?

Механизм великолепен !!!! Но почему же вы не показали его в действии?!?!?!

man, why do most weapons that are never adopted look so damn beautiful.., I guess when it comes to guns, looks and functionality dont always agree...

Love it

Successful or not, that is really cool!

Would love to see it in action

That's a really cool prototype. Too bad we couldn't see it shooting... ah, missed opportunities...