Last time I was this early, the Lebel rifle and the 8mm Lebel smokeless cartridge were still state secrets of France

@exploatores

6 жыл бұрын

was it last video ?

@benbilbrey749

6 жыл бұрын

Monika Salvato ARE YOU A VAMPIRE? IMMORTAL? OR JUST OLD?

@benbilbrey749

6 жыл бұрын

Mr. Mercury Thank you for clearing that up. 🙃😆😑

@throughcracker6591

6 жыл бұрын

Just Lebel

@jameskazd9951

6 жыл бұрын

i bet you have been too busy deleting waifus

My younger brother’s favorite collected rifle is a cherry mint KAR 88. Its a very handy and convenient rifle, but the hardest felt recoil you’ve ever felt and at night an enormous fireball !

@ThePerfectRed

6 жыл бұрын

The original Patrone 88 was much weaker then later 7,92 × 57 mm cartridges which have about a third more muzzle energy. Great find!

@SSgtCalebP

6 жыл бұрын

Funny Farmer I actually didn’t think of that but your dead-on. Now I’m curious to see how it would perform with the original load. The only complaint I have with the Carbine is that the turned- down handle is a little harder to grab and cycle fast since it’s so flat and flush with the stock. Really though it’s no big deal.

@knutdergroe9757

4 жыл бұрын

A 220 gr.round nose flat base bullet at about 2400 fps(maybe as high as 2600 fps, hand loads have two problems. Condition of firearm, and under loading a cartridge is as bad as over loading a cartridge). Remember barrel length effects velocity.

@anzaca1

4 жыл бұрын

Hardest recoil? The Tankgewehr would like a word.

@jonmeray713

4 жыл бұрын

Anzac-A1 no one has those jackass

"They were slowly being surplussed out of service, that is of course until War Were Declared." - Othias

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the Futurama reference

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

Do you know where I can get pork flavored gum?

Thankyou, it's a a real pleasure to see these guns explained in detail as they mean a lot to me and I've never had a chance to get my hands on one! :) My German great-grandfather volunteered for the field artillery (Saxon FAR 48, Dresden) in August 1914. We have one photo of him at the train station about to leave for the Western Front that October... in which he is armed with a Kar 88 (NOT a Gew 91, there is no stacking hook). He was lucky to get it, as the official personal weapon for the FIELD artillery was a pistol or revolver - unlike the FOOT (heavy / siege) artillery who had carbines as standard. Hence the LP 08 'artillery Luger', which was supposed to give the field artillery something more effective without 'burdening' them with carbines, but was never available in sufficient numbers. Already in the 1914 campaign the field artillery were outright demanding some carbines (or picking them up from the battlefield) for battery close defence... this, combined with a temporary pistol shortage, resulted in fresh replacements like my GGF going to the front that autumn with old hand-me-down Kar 88s, presumably from cavalry stocks.

At this point it's hard to remember if I've already seen a gun on Forgotten Weapons or C&Rsenal or both. It all blends together into a beautiful vortex of great videos about awesome guns.

These closed captions: the French "saucepot" rifle, a "bandit lug", "Guevara 88" lol!

@jschmechel4046

3 жыл бұрын

The french saucepot hahaha this made me giggle 😂😭😂

@M81_WOODLAND

2 жыл бұрын

The French "sauce pot", yes it is little known fact that the French were equally adept at utilizing their cookware as fighting weapons. 😆

is it just me or is his "howEvverrrr" almost a trademark?

@SimuLord

4 жыл бұрын

It's right up there with Yakko Warner's "Ehhhhhhhh..." from Animaniacs.

@sugarcheeks

Жыл бұрын

Also 'at any rate'

New drinking game: take a shot every time Ian says "scabbard" :) In all seriousness, I wonder how hard it is to find a scabbard for these...

@MrDgwphotos

6 жыл бұрын

I counted 6 times.

Aww, I was hoping for some reason Ian would say "War were declared."

Oh boy oh boy, it's "Ian shows me awesome guns i could never afford" season!

@matt-kv1nu

4 жыл бұрын

eric3844 liked for the profile pic

@benguthrie3286

4 жыл бұрын

@@matt-kv1nu there is one at my local gun store for 700

@brandonellis5851

3 жыл бұрын

Just passed up two gewher91s one for 275 the other for 375, instead I got a g95 carbine for 375 all matching.

@austinm.9832

3 жыл бұрын

@Nathan Morrow Under no pretext.

@mattarndt841

3 жыл бұрын

I actually own one that I'm currently fixing up

15:55 WAR WERE DECLARED! Othias sent me.

@janwacawik7432

6 жыл бұрын

ED-SKaR I see you're a disciple of good ol' Beardy as well.

A lot of the Kar88 had already been surplussed through ALFA to Abyssinia; Gew91 were given to Wiemar Landespolizei units, and a lot had their stacking rods removed officially ( for use by mounted police). Ian, have you found any un-boogered Gew91 in the Ethiopian shipments??? Doc AV

It's a tad incorrect to say these have a Mannlicher style of bolt considering that all of Mannlicher's turn-bolt designs were based on the 88, which came first. It's just a minor case of putting the cart before the horse. It's really more of an improved and scaled down Mauser 71/84 bolt design. Also, anyone else notice the kar. 88's middle barrel band is on backwards?

The Mauser 71, and 84, both had accuracy issues which developed over time, due to the bolt being the locking lug. For this reason the eighty eight has a sleeved barrel. The French solution to smokeless powder's higher pressures, two locking lugs at the breech, solved this problem.

Its amazing to me that through the 19th and mid-20th centuries there was a ton of incremental but significant development (and subsequent adoption) of new firearms technologies in national militaries, but now-a-days many have been using the same basic designs in their standard issue for the last ~50 years. Instead of major changes in operation, there's been major developments in supporting accessories. I always wonder what's going to be the next great leap in design or innovation to break this status quo.

@Darqshadow

2 жыл бұрын

Coil guns more likely. Going from powder to Batteries would help a lot

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

Until a new principal invention/discovery of weapon technology emerges, recombination of previous ideas will be the standard.

Always find your videos interesting so keep up the good work!

Nice little carbine to have around. Be nice to have a modern version of one to do some weekend plinking with.

Good Sunday morning history lesson. Thanks Ian. Nice rifles

I always wondered if Karabiner 88's ever got refitted to have stripper clips like it's bigger brother the Gewehr 88/05. I haven't seen any "Karabiner 88/05" variants though, if any even exist. Maybe Germany decided this carbine wasn't worth modifying

@kevinoliver3083

7 ай бұрын

By 1905 Mauser was already developing a short rifle, the Kar 98AZ, to replace all of the carbines in service (Kar 88, Gew 91, Kar 98, Kar 98A). So it was not worth the cost of converting the Kar 88 and Gew 91 to stripper clips. And in WW1 the carbines were used by second line units, so it was not necessary to standardise their ammunition supply with frontline infantry.

Praised be the Empero- _Oh, wrong person--_

Great video!

Ian, can you do an episode on the history of stacking rods? They were here and then gone, and deserve their own episode.

@buncer

2 жыл бұрын

At Parris Island in 2009-2010 we stacked our M-16s during chow and other times. Never did it again the rest of my enlistment.

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

@@buncer what was the stacking element? Please describe the stacking process. Thank you

C&rsenal made an in depth video of the history of both of these rifles.

So Cool How much "I thought?" I knew about Mausers, I "Did Not!" Know! Thanks Again, again, AGAIN!! I bet guys 25 to THIRTY YEARS later after this carbines release, these Became a FAVORITE!! among the users. So handy, easy, light, efective, Hard Hitting, And Handy!

Great vid Ian. thx

No one ever mentions the other downside to tube magazines. It was a lesson my dad had taught me. If dented the magazine will become plugged. And in war a imagine that's a risk.

Why am I getting notifications first 20 minutes after the video got uploaded lol? Great vid anyway, as per usual

The late Kar88 was also fitted with deflector as the '91.

Very nice. German military arms are always interesting, and carbines even more so. Not sure i want to know about the recoil. A modern shooter would no doubt have to handload, as these almost certainly have the older .318" bore diameter. It would be worth handloading anyway, to keep the loads on the light side, in deference to the age of the guns. Great video as always. Thank you

Congrats on 750k

The first sorta Scout Rifle that Jeff Cooper campaigned for much much much later on!

German Command 1891: *WHERE IS THE STACKING ROD?! THERE MUST BE A STACKING ROD!* German Command 50 Years Later 1941 STurmGewehr44 design meeting: *WHERE IS THE STACKING ROD?! THERE MUST BE A STACKING ROD!* German Veterans 1891-1945: "Never used it - always looked stupid, got caught on everything."

Hi, I am sure that cavalry carried sabres, lancers carried lances and Dragoon’s carried carbines unless they were classified as “Mounted Rifles”, then they carried rifles and had bayonets for hand to hand combat or used their bayonets in lieu of swords when charging on horseback.

@bronsonperich9430

4 жыл бұрын

Piere Vojzola in my country, our entire cavalry were mounted rifles. They only used the horses as transport but fought on foot.

@allangibson2408

2 жыл бұрын

Or if you were the Australian Light Horse you carried standard infantry rifles with fixed bayonets when charging on horse back.

Finally 750k subscribers!!!

Was case rupture common during this period? I’ve noticed modifications on several rifles from this era to deal with it.

@randyallen2771

6 жыл бұрын

Scott Hancock ruptured primers were also an issue as well as ruptured cases, with the same effect. In perspective, metallic cartridges in high pressure smokeless calibre's were still evolving and quality control wasn't what it is now, and even now one hears of blown primers on 5.56 ammo. Mauser continued to provide for this contingency through the 98s with a gas shield on the front of the cocking piece.

Finallyyyy after years of searching i found someone who can tell me wich model of mauser i have. I found my Kar 88 hanging from a chimney in my grandfather farm. I still have it in PERFECT conditions, in muchhh better condition than that. I have two question, there have been some kind of scope for the Kar 88? And wich were the specs of the 8mm round?

@kentr2424

2 жыл бұрын

Does yours have that little S roll mark on top of the receiver? That determines which cartridge it's safe(r) to use. The original round (M/88) is a 7.92x57mm, round nose .318 bullet weighing roughly 226 grains. Muzzle velocity was around 2000 ft/sec. In 1904-05 the Germans went to a spitzer bullet with a .323 diameter weighing in at 153 grains (S Patrone). German arsenals stamped that S mark in the receiver to show that the chamber had been reamed out to accommodate the new bullet. Given that the rifle is on the north side of 120 years old, and that the metallurgy from those days isn't up to the standards of today, I wouldn't shoot modern 8mm Mauser ammo that has a .323 bullet in it. As far as scoping one goes, I've never heard of the German military scoping one, but Ian would know that better than me. I'm sure that some were drilled and tapped for scope mounts when they were surplused and sporterized.

3:56 CG Haenel is still in business making rifles to this day.

Those guns look really classy

grew up watching my grandfather use one of these a his deer rifle. dead on at 100 yd no deer ever moved much. miss him anbd my father. they taught my the right way to hunt and be sure of my self as a young man. 70 now and i have a grand son. guess what happens next, usa gets the next well trained old school , farm owing god fearing selfreliant citizen. ...

Hopefully you'll still be able to post the hammer prices of these items after the auction.

I'd love to see a video on the lee carbines

I happen to know of one of these in my family. I reacted that it is in much better condition than these two rifles, nearly flawless stock, barrel jacket, receiver, bolt and so on. Is this uncommon and if so, should we be aware of that?

@ethank.6602

4 жыл бұрын

Is it vintage or a replica

I have what would be a kar 88, but it is marked mod 88. It is chambered for 7mm. It was produced by Heanel in 1907.

Ian, do you have a video on the model 1896/1916? I have a Spanish Mauser if you need a gun for the video.

Do you by any chance have a pattern, or closeup pics of the nose cap for the GEW 91? I am missing the nose cap and want to make one, but I have no idea where to start.

It is possible that some cavalry could have cut off the stacking swivel si it would fit the scabbard better

So this was considered an SBR before the minimum barrel length was changed from 18" to 16"

@dmoney6005

6 жыл бұрын

Shreg11-87 I’m certain that it was grandfathered in, if needed

@Lazarus7000

6 жыл бұрын

If it was before 1898 I think none of that matters. Don't quote me on it, though.

@thesturm8686

4 жыл бұрын

Assuming it matters, would they refund the tax stamp?

Technically these're called "stutzen", because the handguard goes all the way to the muzzle.

2:47 Please don't ever stop making that noise ever.

I always hear about weapons for secondary troops like this but have there ever been an instance of secondary troops having to defend themselves?

@shanut8139

2 жыл бұрын

1940 1944

I love to see a video of the KAR88! I have an Erfurt on the "a" serial number block and is dated 1890. Interestingly it has a mismatch bolt that come from a Ghewer91 also in the "a" serial number block. Do you know a way i can found at who was issued based on the code under the front sight? Thank you for your amazing job!

@hetzaljekindmaarzijn

2 жыл бұрын

"A" = Update with deflector

Only Ian would say "quillions" on KZread.

@Halinspark

6 жыл бұрын

Stephen Forster Scholagladiatoria does as well.

You should try looking at the Kar98k Kriegsmodell

Dieter Storz estimated, as far as I remember, 150.000 Gewehr 91's

Greetings from Germany hehe!

@sturmpanzerkampfwagena7v389

6 жыл бұрын

Guten Tag

@karstenganter4887

4 жыл бұрын

@@ControversialOpinion how new are you to the internet gramps? everytime there is a video with someone of one country talking in their language about stuff from another country there are people from that place saying greetings from wherever its not only germans doing it. my question would be why are there so many clueless npc's like you running around?!

@farengarsecret-fire9597

3 жыл бұрын

Hallo, habe ein guten tag

Dammit I want one of these.

I'm glad you keeping making videos even if KZread being a Rash head.

Magnificent looking rifles. "people cutting the scabbard off, to sporterize it"... sounds like a ricer car mod 😁

@YaoiMastah

6 жыл бұрын

That's what happens/happened often to surplus rifles, after they become obsolete and are sold / given away to civilians practically for free: many people thinking "hey, this would be a nice hunting rifle, if only that stock was a bit better styled, the trigger and trigger guard would be nicer curved, and there would be a aperture sight or a diopter or one of those newfangled Swiss/Japanese gizmos the 'rifle telescope' mounted to it, I'll have a chat with the local gunsmith" And nobody bothers to think: "Maybe, just maybe, in a handful of decades, or even a century or more, the original rifle would be worth a fortune". Nahh, that'd be crazy for a rusty old gun.

I’m curious as to why it was so difficult to produce the carbine version of these rifles and why it took years to produce them, couldn’t they have just used the standard issue long rifle and just shortened the barrel?

@bronsonperich9430

4 жыл бұрын

Emir Suljagic high powered cartridge in a short carbine equals high recoil

A totally unrelated comment. Ian if you are in scandinavia you should go to Sweden. We still compete and do sports shooting with the Swedish 45b 9 mm open bolt submachine gun. This sport is slowly disapearing.. and the guns are definetly forgotten weapons.

@1lovesoni

3 жыл бұрын

What are the legal steps or hurdles involved in owning a full-auto SMG in Sweden?

I can forgive some scratches on the wood of a 130 year old battle rifle, I think.

Am I the only one thinks that Gewehr 91 looks freakin' great ?

Should I snag a vc schilling kar 88 that’s been rechambered to 257 roberts? Pawn show was selling for $350. Blueing has definitely faded

Hey Ian, why is the clock on the forgotten weapons logo set to 9 o’clock? Does it mean anything special?

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

It's tea time

That's a wicked dent in that barrel, is that thing still fireable?

@johndoe-en8ci

6 жыл бұрын

They have a thin sheet metal barrel shroud that tends to get dented. The barrel itself isn’t visible.

Hey the Marlin 1895 square bolt and marlin 1881 is a bit of forgotten weapons.

Are these the guns from the latest C&Rsenal episode?

Those are GORGEOUS carabines!!! Don't forget to upload the price they were sold. Just to feel sad about it...

Handsome wee beasts, aren't they?

Typo in the description: "Both the Kar 88 and Get 91..." It should be "Gew 91" instead. Thanks.

You do unknown as well as forgotten weapons. Request for a future video. Noreen BN-36. The Garand of the 21st century.

@PaulMauser

6 жыл бұрын

GlennForbes20 I’ll never understand the point of an AR in 30-06 when there’s so many good ar10s for less and the ammo is cheaper.

@TheRogueWolf

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Ian's done videos on plenty of "dumb" weapons (such as, well, anything from Cobray). They make for good conversation, if nothing else!

@GlennForbes20

6 жыл бұрын

UnaSolida This isn’t a rechambered rifle. Noreen builds big bore AR’s. As to the 30 06 being a dead round, it is very popular for hunting and is readily available.

@FiveTwoSevenTHR

6 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why you say it's the M1 Garand for the 21st century other than the fact that it's a semi auto .30-06. there are many other semi auto .30-06s on the market.

@wlewisiii

6 жыл бұрын

OMG That thing is hilarious! Is any actually dumb enough to spend real money on that thing????

Woah I want one

That's a very SMLE looking muzzle. All the perfection of Deutsche Waffenfabriken yet the gorgeous looks of the Enfield.

Keep it up

The kar88 barrel band is on backward.

These carbines show the true spirit of the 21st century. Smokeless.

@stevenandbobthedog

6 жыл бұрын

Don't you mean the 20th?

@30x173mm

6 жыл бұрын

Everything in this vid is from the 19th century

Barrel/sling band is on the wrong side on the Kar 88.

It is cavalry or mounted infnatry? The way they carry the carbine on their back not the horse's, it s infantry device. Equivakent of airborne infantry today. The horses is a transport like the airplane for 20 century.

@randyallen2771

6 жыл бұрын

Dragoons travel on horseback and fight dismounted whereas light Calvary travels and fights on horseback. That said, this was a time of evolving doctrine and tactics .

@exploatores

6 жыл бұрын

You got three types of Mounted troops, Dragoons Move on horseback and fight on foot. Heavy cavalery. those how charge down fleeing enemies, and light cavalery, mounted scouts and raiders.

I'm the proud owner of a 1889 dated low cereal number gew 88 and it is almost entirely matcging

Not being able to stack the rifles up neatly just seems like a German problem

I flinch when people say"manlicker"

@katjoe1974

4 жыл бұрын

威震天 why?

@alswann2702

4 жыл бұрын

@@katjoe1974 Save the political correctness bs. No one here's gonna be left unarmed and marched off to some Democratic Socialist commie gulag for having a sense of humor that's not pussified.

@katjoe1974

4 жыл бұрын

Al Swann ...don’t look now but your ignorance is showing

Me for 10 minutes: WHAT IS UP WITH THAT FRONT SWIVEL

50 views, 43 likes. Good crowd

@spartanxmonster

6 жыл бұрын

The point is that the people on the notification squad are cool people..

@logang1470

6 жыл бұрын

as in they liked the video before even watching it.

@slashdotism

6 жыл бұрын

Liking a forgotten weapons video before you watch it is probably the least risky thing you can do as Ian's content is so consistently good that you can be pretty much 100% sure it's gonna be worth a like.

@seanjoseph8637

6 жыл бұрын

I always thumbs up Ian's vids before I've watched them.

@P0LYPRO

6 жыл бұрын

Your movies are terrible Ryan Gosling

They look like if someone dropped lee-enfield, kar98 and mosin nagant into a boiling cauldron and fused all into one

It looks like a Carcano and a SMLE had a baby

I seen so many of sporterized ones n it makes me sick to think anyone could defile a historical piece even the 98 Mauser

There is a visible dent in the barrel at 2:33. Would this render the weapon unusable?

@ForgottenWeapons

6 жыл бұрын

That is a dent in the barrel jacket, not the barrel itself. That is common, and not an issue.

@Wolfshead009

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Not familiar with these and didn't realize it had a jacket.

2:48

Why didn’t they think to just make a better scabbard?

I just bought an 1888 and I need to find ammo for it

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

Hand loading is your future and slug the bore for safety

3:56 cg what?!?!?!

@alexm566

2 жыл бұрын

Haenel

I would love to see you guys to read my great great grandfather's book published in 1985 " Die kleine, mühselige Welt des jungen Hermann Enters: Erinnerungen eines Amerika-Auswanderers an das frühindustrielle Wuppertal" It is a standard school text in the Wuppertal region. Just thought this video was fitting due to the time period. Written during the early industrial era of Barmen. Much love from /k/!

@dmoney6005

6 жыл бұрын

Ashley Weeks Wait what

There is no Dana, only SUHL.

I've always believed that a sword/saber and a pistol with 7-8 round capacity would have been more than enough for a cavalryman's personal defense back in those days. No real need for carbines or rifles, in my view.

@bronsonperich9430

4 жыл бұрын

Costantino Andruzzi then why did the cavalry ask for carbines?

@alswann2702

4 жыл бұрын

Read " Mosby's Men," written by a vet of the 43rd Battalion, Virginia Cavalry during the War of the Rebellion. He specifically laments their lack of carbines and success when facing prepared Federal infantry formed in ranks.

@Unus_Annus_

Жыл бұрын

@@alswann2702 As a Virginian with family having fought in the civil war, never I heard the civil war be called that

Wait a minute french ahead?

I think something is wrong with me but I think I want a manllicher stock for an AR15.

It's hard to remember that France used to be a military power house.

@alexm566

Жыл бұрын

or the Dutch...from massive colonies into whatever they are now

@sijul6483

Жыл бұрын

French still sort of are. Take a look at their deployment to Mali a few years back, as well as their NATO battle groups deployment to Romania (?) a year or two ago.

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

@@sijul6483 the french were the first to develop smokeless powder and it was their presence that caused the unification of Germany. But the losses from invading Russia, darn near extinguished the noncommissioned officers.

@ianfinrir8724

10 ай бұрын

Rudyard Kipling once said of the French that "War _is_ their business."

@george2113

10 ай бұрын

@@ianfinrir8724 a bit of irony there, it's easier to count the countries that the UK didn't invade.

Do u know da way?

Looks like Lee Anfield

Then i guess im very lucky i found an almost mint ondition Gewehr88 as my grandfathers friend had one and left it to his grandson ,of which im friends with. So i was able to purchase it for just under 500bucks!!! It still has the stacking rod on it!! I love it and it sets very nicely next to my VZ24 my grandfather took off a German Conscript during the war. One of my other relatives got the K98 with all its Nazi glory stamped on it ,and i got the VZ24 lol Which im not so worried im devaluing the rifle ,every time i shoot it! LOL My Cuz may have got the one worth more but he cant shoot it if he wants it to stay that way! HAHAHA!!! Since i purchase the Gewehr88 as such a light price i may shoot it a bit before retiring it to the wall! LOL