Great episode from 3 of my favourite people - Matt because everything’s “fiiiiire”, Spike because he once whacked off in a car whilst driving, and Cameron because I have one of his fine watches. Great to see Tudor covered at last. More on the special editions would’ve been good though.

@Stijnonrs

5 жыл бұрын

You guys should do videos on watches as well! Would love to get Damian's point of view on some of the pieces he is wearing!

@TheCarGuysTV

5 жыл бұрын

We may have something for you soon, @@Stijnonrs

@stangresham6024

5 жыл бұрын

They're making up up stuff and presenting it as actual truth. They don't know what they are talking about... They don't have a clue!

Davide Cerrato was the designer at the helm for the Tudor resurgence. He’s the man who revived the rose logo & curved ‘smiley’ text. Rolex/Tudor ‘let him go’, and Ander Ugarte took over. Ander is the one responsible for killing off the rose logo & curved text, as well as the overall downhill design we’ve seen at Tudor since Davide left. The gold bezel markers on the bb58, the shield logo, straight text, style & glamor lines, etc- those are all Ander’s sub-par designs. If Davide was still at the helm we’d no doubt have rose & smiley text dials on the BB58’s. (And given his love for old logos(see the one he recently revived for Mont Blanc), there’s a good chance we’d have that beautiful rose-in-shield logo on some current watches as well).

@patrickac2924

4 жыл бұрын

I didnt like the curved text myself.

17:30 Spike being super interested in Matt and Cameron's conversation.

I lost it when he said “it’s okay if it gets stolen in the hotel room” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Even though I prefer the older Tudors from the early 2000s and prior, they've really been killing it lately. I absolutely love my Tudor 79260. Originally discovered it because the price of 16520s skyrocketed and there was no way I could afford one. Wanting a Rolex family chrono in my collection I looked at big blocks first then discovered the small blocks. Tremendous value, especially the early ones with Rolex markings and Oysterdate dial.

Smiley text, rose logo, and non-rivet bracelet on the original 79220 Black Bay models are ETA movements at a thickness of 12.5 mm. Straight text, shield logo, and rivet bracelet on the 79230 and beyond are in-house movements with a thickness of 14.5mm (same case but has a bubbled case back). In the long run, the original smiley 79220's should be more collectable - especially the original 79220n Black Bay Black which was only produced for around 8 months (one of the shortest production runs from the house of Rolex).

@Rivy_ID

5 жыл бұрын

Congrats, you just provided more accurate info than this whole episode... :D

@stangresham6024

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly!!! I have seen the 79220 running $500 to 750 more if it's new with box and papers.

@thewatchmakersworkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I think the smiley text is a better look visually too. Sounds like they will become a collectible piece in the future. Thanks for the extra details.

@stangresham6024

5 жыл бұрын

@@thewatchmakersworkshop The best part about a "smiley-face" model is the ETA 2824. You won't have send them to Rolex for servicing or to get parts. Over the lifetime of the watch that could be a substantial savings.

I am not going to lie, I was hoping for a bit more in depth talk about the brand. However, I did recently purchase a Black Bay Bronze from Crown and Caliber. Cleaned the patina off and I am in love.

@Rivy_ID

5 жыл бұрын

There wasn't anything in-depth because none of these guys know anything about Tudor. Most of the information provided in this episode was incorrect.

Congratulations on the new baby Cameron!

@thewatchmakersworkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

The small block chrono 79260 is, IMO, one of the best daytona alternatives out there. I have both Tudors and Rolexs and no one knows what a Tudor is, which is what I like.

I really don't see any remote resemblance between the B01 from Breitling and the inhouse movement from Tudor. The inhouse movement from Tudor uses a full balance bridge and completely different base plate lay out. I truly believe Spike incorrect. Its a new movement from the ground up developed by Tudor. The reason for the partnership was because Tudor didnt want to invest in developing a chrono movement so they basically swapped. Tudor took their B01 and modified with a silicon hairspring and used in their Blacbay Chrono and in turn allowed Breitling to use the Tudor 3 hand movement in one of its superocean heritage models. In fact, the Tudor movement used in the Breitling uses a tradition hairspring vs the silicon used by Tudor! If anything, the inhouse Tudor movement shares a similar architecture with the new Rolex 32XX series of movements.

This is like the Bohemian Rhapsody of facts and chronology.

36:02 Early Tudor 792x0 chronos were still Rolex signed so not sure where that info came from. They were Rolex signed crown and caseback until around 1997, then some would have mixed Rolex and Tudor signed parts with Prince Date dials.

It's a good thing that,Cameron is always present to offer some real horological value to the talk,since this a watch podcast after all....

Love this channel. Awesome content!

I love Tudor, and they do leave certain things it in purpose to 1. Keep it inexpensive and 2. Get folks that purchase Tudors wanting that extra function, fit and finish etc. I don't despise Rolex, i love Rolex too, but I wear my Tudor more than I would the Rolex Explorer II. I like them both for different reasons.

Can’t believe you guys didn’t mention the North Flag. It’s pretty significant being Tudors first in-house movement. Other that that great show, I actually really enjoyed Spikes input and I don’t think I heard Matt say “um” once. 🤣

@benjameshodges

5 жыл бұрын

But they did! 47:25.

@jonathandougherty3677

5 жыл бұрын

Oh wow 🤦🏻‍♂️ I was listening to audio only at work. Must have missed it. But in my defense it was BARELY referenced lol

Omg Tudor Chrono is killing it ! Weissssssssww it guys ! Chrono

Just purchased a Rolex OP 39 Rhodium dial from Crown & Caliber, and I am beyond happy with how it arrived and service. Thank you very much for bringing them to my attention! Got the perfect deal and used your code for an extra off ;) Cheers from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

@WatchAndListenPodcast

5 жыл бұрын

glad you're happy with your new watch!

I love spike taking wrist shots @17:30 for the ig post 😂

TheTudor Date Day is my discovery of the day! And there even was a 38 mm version and the are about 3k. Gotta get one if I ever land a sophisticated job

@TysonHook-22-

3 жыл бұрын

Yes out of all the luxury brand watches Tudor seems to be onof the most obtainable for us not super wealthy folk. For me a Tudor blackbay or one of the Tudor chronos are my personal endgame watch... $3-6000ish is affordable luxury in my opinion, ideally I'll have both one day but I'd settle for either or in the end... it's my goal to get a "luxury" watch in the next 3-5yrs having just turned 30 this year.

the initial comments are RIGHT ON re: the Tudor / Rolex attitudes... I can relate to the “ I dont want to be that ‘Rolex’ guy... and Tudors to me have plenty of design, beauty, pedigree, horoligical history,.. and more affordable ... love Tudor...

@OscarDad

5 жыл бұрын

Great episode guys!

radioactive material decays at a constant rate so it will turn the same "creamy" color regardless of light exposure.

Kind of sucks you guys don't make these anymore, but I understand. At least I have some good videos to learn from and enjoy

Can you guys do a video on the history oh Hamilton?

Matt, concerning bronze watches, do not be concerned about buying used. You can clean off the patina rather easily with metal polish and start your own patina like new.

You can buy a pre owned bronze and polish it and let it patina again

Cameron is correct about the smiley vs straight, eta vs in house movement.

Tudor originally was made from rolex parts... thats y they look so close back in the day

The differentiation between the "curved" text and straight text has to do with the movement and the thickness of the case. I was close to buying one, but I prefer the "curved" text as it is not as thick as the newer versions.

The Tiger is for Tiger Woods.

The primary tritium lume patina is called radioactice decay, and thats why the colour changes, from somewhat close to white, to something looking like barf, and it's stil not Sir Edmond Hillary that wore the Explore, but the god damn sherpa, Tenzing Norgay. And hey guys, i love your show, but please be more thorough with your research regarding specificly what Tudor and Breitling are doing together, Tudor traded their inhouse movement with Breitlings Chronograph B01, and they removed 3 wheels and some other mechanical stuff from the chrono, connected to a complication they didn't want to use, and it's actually very easy to prove, look at the tudor chrono cal MT5813, and you will notice 3 empty red stones below the Tudor name on a brigde opposite the automatic brigde, also look at the balance brigde, theres a cutout for a medium sized wheel.

"Tudor enthusiast Spike Feresten" the guy that can only talk about monetary value and not the horological/historical qualities of the brand. Sad. Thank god Cameron was there to offer real value to the conversation.

@jamesyoo4779

5 жыл бұрын

That's why I think Matt has Cameron in the permanent seat, not Spike, Carl Ruiz or anybody else even if those guys would have WAY more marketability. Cameron is awesome and Matt definitely chose the right guy for this series.

@RHelenius

5 жыл бұрын

Also the fact that the "grail" Tudor Monte Carlo has different knurling on the pusher lock thingies... It's ugly.

@stangresham6024

5 жыл бұрын

There was no real value added by anyone. They didn't have a clue about most anything they talked about. They basically delivered commentary and came up with conclusions that were factually dead wrong.

@Rivy_ID

5 жыл бұрын

This! I was pretty astonished about how much misinformation they were giving out as fact here. Very poor job all around. @@stangresham6024

46:50 They changed it because they went from an ETA movement to an in-house movement

100th like. Youre welcome

Tudor enthusiast Spike Feresten, that guy's words and reasoning indicated that he is collecting and enjoying Tudor based on Rolex's prestige, stories, value etc. (ex "like wearing a Rolex Daytona"). rolex wannabe. also when he said he likes it but not going to wear it. I thought it was because there is not an identical model from the Rolex line.

@stangresham6024

5 жыл бұрын

What I found amazing, they didn't know who the Tiger chronograph was named after nor the fact he wore an Aquanaut, (not the Tiger-graph) left Tudor for TAG Heuer and then signed with Rolex after TAG dropped him.

u with a umlaut is sometime written ue pronounced almost like a soft ur

@38:18 wow..if..at the time of this video, he was already well off into a grand come back...where the fuck you been living? And the tiger version is actually more "Daytona " than the big block but ok buddy.👍

Pelagos and maybe the North Flag are the only worthwhile Tudors IMO. Everything else is just ‘heritage’ and thus crap.

@jeffreyblue627

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I love my North Flag on the integrated bracelet. It’s a very distinctive watch. I also like the Pelagos, but I have enough divers already. Bought my NF new from an AD at a very good price a few months back. The North Flag is sleek, modern, and masculine. Let the herd buy up the black bays. They don’t appeal to me.

@37:13 ok none of you can be called "watch guys"...this part of the video was sad, especially the guy who considered himself a Tudor expert or some shit...wow..

I'm a fan of you guys, but between the three of you there is quite a lot of misinformation here. It seems you're just taking guesses at facts and googling while you go. Anyone can do that, please do more research before you put together a show and put misinformation out there. Surprisingly even Cameron had a lot of incorrect information here as well.