Bill Burr got a better story arc as a PTSD suffering former Storm Trooper, in 15 minutes on The Mandalorian, than John Boyega got in three entire movies

@iamtherealrauschguy

18 күн бұрын

"I wasn't a Stormtrooper, wiseass."

@thatpatrickguy3446

18 күн бұрын

True as hell and a damn shame. I was psyched for the character of Finn after Force Awakens, because he was the only real character who seemed to have a hero's journey arc in front of him. But Bill Burr was fricking awesome in Mando, and damn he could actually act too. More range of honest emotion in his scene in the Imperial processing plant than there was from any/all main characters in the entirety of the series of Ashoka.

@krissteel4074

18 күн бұрын

@@thatpatrickguy3446 Boyega got a 'hospital pass' for that character, probably thought yeah I can do a messed up, brainwashed stormtrooper out on a redemption arc. Nope! Here's your slapstick get tazed, chopped in the back and fall down character John, you have fun with that now!

@kazam3527

18 күн бұрын

Mandalorian was shit too though

@thatpatrickguy3446

18 күн бұрын

@@krissteel4074 But, hey, at least we know by the respect that they showed Finn in the movie and on the promotional materials that Disney Lucasfilm totally isn't completely racist! 🙄

All the fans of old Star Wars are gone and we can’t be won back

@DJJ81

18 күн бұрын

Yes we can. It could be done, but it won’t be. It’s not that they can’t make us happy, they just don’t want to.

@darklorddysart

18 күн бұрын

I’m still here, there are many of us oldies who haven’t been put off and enjoying this era of SW👍🏽

@e.k.4629

18 күн бұрын

Watching disney fail is more entertaining than star wars itself lol

@88-V-..-A-..-N-88

18 күн бұрын

No we can’t be won back, We’ll forever enjoy 1-6 and all the games and content that came with them. F*** Disney

@iowadrummer7

18 күн бұрын

I’d rather read The Courtship of Princess Leia repeatedly than watch anything they put out.

20 years from now it will be taught in Business schools and management classes how Disney drove Star Wars into the ground.

@billybatts8283

18 күн бұрын

I don't think you understand why they're doing what they are. It's not for profit.

@lorij3786

18 күн бұрын

Every sector has DEI

@RockDawg77

18 күн бұрын

It will be a chapter in the same book as Target's emergency meetings to relocate displays in some stores and really bad beer decisions made by totally sober beer company managers who don't like the source of their reason for existence.

@marccreation1052

18 күн бұрын

Also Marvel, Pixar and...Disney itself.

@ricardokojin7

18 күн бұрын

@@billybatts8283 Yeah, people still think "Not making money" is going to stop them... or that history will be told from a fair perspective

Y’all see the non-binary Jedi in Tales of the Sith? Even after he was left for dead, the inquisitors were using his preferred pronouns. Can’t make this shit up.

@superjlk_9538

18 күн бұрын

I hate when fictional media keeps reminding me of all the weirdos in the real world. I’m here to escape reality, not relive it.

@brianmurphy6480

18 күн бұрын

Notice how all their "non-binary" rainbow warriors all look super incompetent and hyper effeminate? "It's a MA'AM, baby!" 😱

@thatonea-hole

18 күн бұрын

​@@superjlk_9538 Nor reminded of it either

@QuatrinaVR

18 күн бұрын

The space Nazis respect pronouns

@RCsev070

18 күн бұрын

We got pronouns on wookiepedia. Check it and despair

If someone had told me 20 years ago that in 2024, people would be going "meh" at new Star Wars shows, I wouldn't have believed them. But here we are, going "meh" with good reason.

@Osprey850

18 күн бұрын

Arguably, it's worse than "meh." We're crossing into "ugh" territory.

@Right_Said_Brett

18 күн бұрын

20 years? It's worse than that; it's only been a decade! The Force Awakens was released in 2014. Think about that; in the span of a mere 10 years, Disney managed to destroy and oversaturate Star Wars to the point where nobody even cares when there's a new live action show coming out.

@RJALEXANDER777

18 күн бұрын

@@Right_Said_Brett I remember the sheer excitement and passion for new Star Wars back during those first few trailers. It's really quite tragic how almost every bit of enthusiasm has been sucked out of the franchise. And Disney doesn't have any money to show for it. Like a leech that's vomited all the blood it just drank.

@arubial1229

18 күн бұрын

@@Right_Said_BrettTFA came out in December of 2015, so it might as well have been 2016, which means it only took them 8 years to destroy it. Honestly it only took them 2 years…The Last Jedi killed it.

@Right_Said_Brett

18 күн бұрын

@@arubial1229 Very true. The day that I watched The Last Jedi was the day that my love and interest in Star Wars died and I say that without hyperbole.

leslye headland is not unpopular only amongst Star Wars fans,but amongst most of sane world;s population...she was rapist's personal assistant,and lets be honest,she knew everything...

@brianmurphy6480

18 күн бұрын

Knew? Hell, you KNOW she had dibs on the sloppy seconds. 🤷‍♂️

@kaludgo5811

18 күн бұрын

Agreed. Let's not act like she didn't bring the sheeps to the wolf and didn't know about it

@oscargruber8582

18 күн бұрын

But don't you get it? StAr WaRs SaVeD hEr LiFe!

@Shineinpoverty

18 күн бұрын

I like how internet never lets this information be forgotten.

@xDarthSTYXx

18 күн бұрын

You're all idiots

The Acolyte is set 100 years before TPM yet has a way more diverse Jedi Order? I really want to see how all those diverse and strong female Jedi got purged to leave us with the white male dominated Order we see in Episode 1.

@zacharylewis2802

18 күн бұрын

Spoiler: they all get clapped at the end of the show.

@nunyabidness5375

18 күн бұрын

...whut? There were a bunch of weird aliens of both genders, Samuel L. Jackson's big black ass, Liam Neeson (deceased) and oh yeah Obi Wan.

@nullbubble791

18 күн бұрын

​@@zacharylewis2802and if not Didney got plans for retconning the original trilogy and the prequals

@superjlk_9538

18 күн бұрын

They existed, they just weren’t the main focus.

@jimjam51075

18 күн бұрын

It's like Star Trek Discovery. Somewhere between this prequel and TPM they figure out that men are better at being in charge.

"What are you?" "I'm the death of this universe!" "No way! You're Kathleen Karen Kennedy?!"

@Uzarran

18 күн бұрын

"What are you?" "I'm just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions."

@jmhaugen4757

18 күн бұрын

@@Uzarran We could have had five movies with one of the more interesting characters in the Expanded Universe; an everyday man who becomes a hero, then a legend, then falls and has to climb his way back. We could have "Rocky: Star Wars Edition." Instead, we got the bored Jedi dropout, a Mary Sue, a PC who only does escort quests, and "Origins of a Space Terrorist."

That masked guy in the thumbnail looks like "We got Kylo at home." Which is very sad since he's already the dollar store version of Vader...

@overcorpse

18 күн бұрын

If you played any of the Old Republic games then that mask is perfectly fitting for the Sith to wear. But again, people who don't have a clue about the lore are quick to mock.

@iamtherealrauschguy

18 күн бұрын

@@overcorpseWhat's ironic about that as well is how irreverent Disney has been towards all the old material, and yet they continue to steal from it, and often those elements are the best parts of whatever new show or media they release.

@planetbob6703

18 күн бұрын

@@overcorpse played both kotors. There have always been maskes/helmets that looked cool and those that didn't. The point is that when you want people to get excited you probably shouldn't make your villain look like the discount version of discount Darth Vader.

@planetbob6703

18 күн бұрын

@@iamtherealrauschguy exactly. They rip off parts from better stories and make inferior copies. The zombies in Deathtroopers were terrifying while the ones in Ahsoka were slower stormtroopers...

@paulcarmi8130

18 күн бұрын

​@overcorpse what a comment. You just assume that he didn't know, maybe he did know 😂 fid you ask him? 🤡

Let's not forget that one of the main reasons original SW was so great is because Lucas knew his Joseph Campbell. He dipped heavily into the deep well of mythology and produced a story that transcended politics. It was about good and evil, love and redemption. All that good stuff. Modern star wars only has one message. It is THE MESSAGE.

@pittland44

18 күн бұрын

Well said. The problem is that none of these people know any good stories, much less any of the psychology behind them (a la Joseph Campbell or Jordan Peterson) and it severely limits what they can do.

@monkeyinapanzer

18 күн бұрын

Thing is Star Wars was very much going to be a THE MESSAGE film at one point. Only real difference is that it was going to be THE MESSAGE of its era IE post Vietnam Nixon era America. The empire especially was just supposed to have alway been around with a long line of puppet emperors that didn’t actually have any power as the military and the industrial complex drove the empire and its pointless wars. Vader was just some guy in a suit that died at the end, the empire was just a poorly disguised Vietnam war allegory, the rebels where just the hippy movement. Original Star Wars would have been extremely boring as a setting since it just wanted to club you over the head with the message of its era. Speaks volumes to Lucas and the people around him ability to prioritize story telling over their ideology. And Disney’s inability to do so.

@ThreadBareHope1234

18 күн бұрын

Agree. That speech about Luke's personal journey in an wider universe was so good. It's exactly why the games speak to me more than any of the shows. The games are more about healing than becoming Jesus (Ahsoka). Genuinely, one of the things that make Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi, and Ahsoka weird for me is they're deifying of Anakin, Ahsoka, or Qui Gon. They're hardly people anymore. They are just characters, and losing their gravitas. I do NOT understand why they're saints now.

@michaeldavid6832

18 күн бұрын

Their message is You can't base a mythology on ephemeral fads. You can only base a mythology on universal and timeless human meta-themes which resonate with people. A theme would be "love conquers all" but its meta-theme is that life is a struggle but love is meaningful and is a light among the darkness. When your meta-theme is "your segxual preference is a virtue" all the derived themes are dissonant to human audiences. The least interesting thing about someone is what they choose to do with their anatomy. It's shallow and hollow to make a virtue of a banal mechanical descriptor. When a story is derived from such an inherently valueless theme, it's as bereft of value as the theme that it supports. If your meta-theme isn't a time-tested human virtue, then your theme and all its derivatives will eternally fail to entertain any audience -- even those who believe as you do. Your pleasure at entertainment is as involuntary as your attraction to those you love. Your political philosophy is nothing against the power of your instincts... which you share with all of humanity. Thus it is that all those who preach body positivity don't practice what they preach -- they want to be desired as fatbodies while they don't desire fatbodies themselves. They don't watch it in their pr0n and they certainly don't tolerate it in their games or movies. There are many body positive vvomen in movies which male audiences are repulsed by -- but there are no body positive males in those movies. This moral hypocrisy is unsustainable in reality -- which is why movies and video game sales are collapsing. A pathological value system is unsustainable in any domain: government, society, entertainment, and so on. This is an eternal truism and any attempt to contravene that truism is DOA.

@rodneil4734

18 күн бұрын

100%

i trust a drink from Bill Cosby more than a star wars film made by Disney

@crusherballz

18 күн бұрын

Do you think after drinking and while you are Unconscious, Cosby would eat Jello out of your Ass?

@Very-old-man

6 күн бұрын

Rogue one was fantastic. Just depends on who’s writing it.

Lucas's Star Wars: -Diversity of cultures -Individuality of outfits -Characters with flaws combined with unique traits and have challenges to overcome. Disney Star Wars: -NOTHING!!!!!!

@chasehedges6775

17 күн бұрын

💯💯💯

@willwolf8436

12 күн бұрын

Disney star wars: fornite reskin.

I went to a showing of TPM where they promised to show never before Acolyte scenes after the credits. No one stayed.

@mbphilipblack8993

3 күн бұрын

My showing of TPM barely had anyone in it the group was like 7 people tops, I watched it around 5pm. Only 1 Guy left everyone else stayed.

Remember Old EU. Remember Revan, Malak, Meetra Surik, Kreia, Naomi Sunrider, Ulek Keldroma, And the Sith Lords. Also remember the worlds we visited before the Disney purge.

@andrewmclaughlin2701

18 күн бұрын

Kreia was the best, most in depth character.

@michalzaprt5602

18 күн бұрын

Damn you have to replay those games again 🤣

@blackosprey2219

18 күн бұрын

I don't like ruminating on the past.

@barrybend7189

18 күн бұрын

@@blackosprey2219 no I'm not ruminating. I'm helping preserve the mythology. Remind people of the lengths people are willing to go to kill stories.

@maxmazzotti6651

18 күн бұрын

Never forget the true EU

"What is worse than being a moisture farmer on a desert planet?" Being one of Jabba's slaves? Drunkenly falling off Bespin? A travel agent booking you a ride on Star Tours?

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

Or Mustafar. Or Hoth. Or Empire's prison.

@Iron-Bridge

17 күн бұрын

Forgetting your fur coat on Hoth? Taking a dive off Kamino' s clone factory platform without a life jacket?

The issues with the colorful scooters in Book of Boba Fett isn't that "they aren't Star Wars" it's that they don't belong on Tatooine. That's a distinction people should really make. They'd fit in perfectly in Coruscant. But in the highly utilitarian fringe desert world of Tatooine, no.

@paulcharran4699

15 күн бұрын

It wouldn't hurt if the scooters moved at better than a walking pace. Pod racing this is not!

I just rewatched the OGs, Luke comes from a two parent home, Anikin comes from a single mother home, it just feels so much more relevant nowadays.

@theimaginist3310

18 күн бұрын

Whoa, I didn’t even notice that! Mind blown!!😂

@bigdreams5554

18 күн бұрын

Luke comes from a farming community, Anakin from a repressed slave family. Mind blown

@scottf5791

18 күн бұрын

I mean sure but Luke still deals with family related trauma and a dysfunctional relationship with his father.

@kadalsaurus6232

18 күн бұрын

luke kissed his sister, anikin groomed by politician. mindblown

@nungfish

18 күн бұрын

@@kadalsaurus6232 It's almost like real life.

The Little Platoon is exactly right. Everything looks way too polished. Nothing looks lived in. It makes it look like cosplay. To pretty and clean to seem real. I forget who said it but it’s so true..Disney doesn’t know how to make Star Wars. They only know how to imitate what they think Star Wars is.

@chasehedges6775

18 күн бұрын

EXACTLY💯

@chasehedges6775

18 күн бұрын

It’s so cheap looking

@Shineinpoverty

18 күн бұрын

They did cut many expenses when their movies started to flop. I have read about it multiple times. They are saving hard. They do on things they think we wont notice. Oh but we do. VFX, decorations, what else? Producers?

@chasehedges6775

18 күн бұрын

They think we won’t notice but we do. Yep, the audience is not dumb

@blackosprey2219

18 күн бұрын

Strange considering that the lived-in look was a signature style of SW that set it apart from all other scifi.

Worth noting everyone! The whole 'no good or evil, only power' schtick is exactly what Voldemort says to Harry in front of the Mirror of Erised in Philosopher's Stone!!!

@barrybend7189

18 күн бұрын

And Kriea did it in Kotor 2 but had a more nuanced point of telling you to use power to achieve your goals.

@user-vk7jz1tc1l

18 күн бұрын

While Obi-Wan does claim (and fans over-quote) "only the Sith deal in absolutes", actions speak louder than words. There is not a single moment in Episodes 1-6 where any Sith behaves as a moral absolutist. They aren't even depicted as fanatics for evil principles (like ISIS), but instead are _always_ relativists and equivocators, pursuing power for its own sake. The only time a Sith comes close to "dealing in absolutes" is when Palpatine is *pretending* to profess the principles the *good* characters believe in to mislead them.

@barrybend7189

18 күн бұрын

@@user-vk7jz1tc1l there's also the case the Sith ideology is an absolute. Everything for the case of power. Remember the Sith and Jedi codes.

@user-vk7jz1tc1l

18 күн бұрын

@@barrybend7189 "Absolutes" means "absolute principles", i.e. _ideas_ (good or bad) that should be pursued ahead of calculation of personal gain, well-being, or risk. "Always tell the truth" or "Always kill the infidel" are absolutes. Sacrificing oneself for another's personal gain (like Mariko in "Shogun") could be considered an absolute. The unprincipled pursuit of _one's own_ interests is the absence or opposite of a principle.

@barrybend7189

18 күн бұрын

@@user-vk7jz1tc1l so what is the line of corruption from just being self centered to just amassing power for oneself and fearing losing it? Remember there are absolutes and the saying is "absolute power corrupts" Palpatine and the Sith ascribe to a strong vs weak philosophy.

Robert's tangent was so inspiring. One of the most articulated points of what makes starwars awesome and connects us to the story!

@jamesg8175

18 күн бұрын

I could listen to RMB for hours

@Brian_Boru

17 күн бұрын

Everyone listen to and memorize RMB's commentary from 14:04 - 17:23. Superb analysis. He drills down to the very heart of the problem with Star Wars. It should be transcribed and posted wide and far.

The message is strong with this trailer. My deepest sympathies for those who still love the franchise. 😢🎉

@xDarthSTYXx

18 күн бұрын

We reject your sympathy. We are here living in the best time it's ever been to be a Star Wars fan while you're crying and using your tears as lube. You're pathetic.

@white0thunderwhite0thunder71

17 күн бұрын

A dying species infected by parasites that laughed as their WOKE politics killed another beloved franchise simply because they could.

@xDarthSTYXx

17 күн бұрын

Fuck your sympathy. We are doing just fine while you're sitting there hating life.

@xDarthSTYXx

17 күн бұрын

@@white0thunderwhite0thunder71 You okay, bro?

@valentinlageot4101

10 күн бұрын

I love star wars but that doesn't mean I have to love all of it. it's like the orcs of Morgoth, they were elves once, that doesn't mean I have to stop liking elves. grow up and enjoy the part of star wars that can't be touched

You men did an excellent job breaking down why modern Disney "Star Wars" is soulless.

I went to see the 25th anniversary screening of episode I this week and before the film started there was a disney+ ad saying 'stay behind after the movie to get an EXCLUSIVE LOOK at the acolyte!' and no one did.

"You will eat the bugs, live in the pods, wear the robes. You will own nothing, and you'll be happy" - WEF What you see as bland, homogeneous, and boring, they see as paradise on earth.

@white0thunderwhite0thunder71

17 күн бұрын

Sounds like frogs in a pond to me.

@djplat111

4 күн бұрын

They see it as paradise because: If we're eating bugs, it leaves the steak for them. If we live in shoebox, that's more land for them. If we're stuck wearing the same old robes, they will stand out in their beautiful custom made clothes. They want us to sacrifice, while they reap the benefits.

I'll say it for the millionth time. It's not about the money. It's about sending a message. (or in this case The Message). They know their movies and shows are losing money. They're okay with it as long as The Message gets broadcasted loud and clear.

@jimjam51075

18 күн бұрын

Well, it backfired. I stopped watching anything new with a female lead....which is EVERYTHING new.

@archstanton9073

18 күн бұрын

@@jimjam51075 It doesn't matter if people like you, me or The Drinker watch. They figure enough people will that The Message will get out there and be spread around.

@archstanton9073

18 күн бұрын

@@jimjam51075 It doesn't matter if you or I watch it. Enough people will.

@alexc8873

18 күн бұрын

Vanguard, Blackrock support them so they dont care about profit.

@darrenwho

18 күн бұрын

yep yep all funded by Blackrock. A 100 million dollar loss for Blackrock is like $10 to you or I.

George Lucas decided that Obi Wan's robes were cool, so gave them to all the Jedi, forgetting that they were meant to just be the normal clothing of Tatooine dwellers. Even Uncle Owen dressed like a "Jedi".

@Rezzatoni

15 күн бұрын

And imagine how "clever" it is to hide from the Empire, still wearing their foe's uniform ...

@fishjones4618

8 күн бұрын

We didn’t know what Jedi wore in 77 because they barely had a mention nor were they seen.

@fishjones4618

8 күн бұрын

@@RezzatoniIt was established pre Disney that Tatooine was barely anyone’s concern. Hence why it was an ideal place to hide. It was in the outer rim of the outer rim. It was only after Disney that it became the most important place in the universe. It’s like placing Enumclaw Washington right up there in importance with New York City or Tokyo.

Over the years, George Lucas wasn't sure how he wanted the average Jedi Knights to look. Luke's outfit from "Return of the Jedi" was called his Jedi Knight outfit and that look was in the concept art for Episode One before Lucas settled on what it was, based on Obi-Wan's Tatooine appearance. Anakin's black outfit in "Episode Two" was a nod to the black outfit of Luke but nothing was said about it beyond a mention in extra materials that it was supposedly a different style.

when i was younger i always pictured the Jedi to be more like Luke in ROTJ. Or at least more flexible not wearing the same stuff. The black in ROTJ was badass. More mysterious than what we got.

@MaryRohwer

18 күн бұрын

I liked the hooded robes of the Jedi, but I can see why you would like the black in ROTJ. The costume design helps to bring out Luke's character development. It wouldn't make sense that he would wear the same clothing as the old Jedi anyway since there were so few Jedi left by the time of his story. Now I'm here rethinking the costume design of years of movies-----is the reason they have the Jedi in hooded robes in the prequels only because Obi-wan wore them in the first movie? Was he wearing them because he lived on a desert planet? Sorry about my stream of consciousness writing style here. I hadn't considered the Jedi in different garb before.

@pantherapardus1398

18 күн бұрын

Yes from what I understand most people's interpretation of Jedi uniform is that was wearing a hermit's clothes in order to both survive in the desert and hid from the Empire's prying eyes. Then in the Prequels, George decided to make it that all Jedi accept for certain member and/or certain circumstances wore robes more than likely because he thought that made them look like spiritual leaders than warriors but then forgetting that it would be rather silly for a prominent and well-known Jedi Master such as Obi Wan to wear Jedi robes when he's attempting to from the Galactic Empire and that he could've had them look like the best of both like they did in the Clone Wars.

@tris421

18 күн бұрын

@@pantherapardus1398 exactly. It makes sense that Jedi would wear robes at the temple etc but they probably should have been designed differently than what Obi Wan was wearing in the desert. On the field/doing missions then Luke's attire in ROTJ is perfect.

@pantherapardus1398

18 күн бұрын

@@tris421 Fair enough.

@samspurgeon4222

18 күн бұрын

I remember a comic from the original Marvel run that came out in the late 70s/early 80s that told a story of Kenobi when he was younger and he was in an outfit similar to the one Luke wore in ROTJ

Robert's comments @~14:00 is the clearest description of the appeal of old school Star Wars - and commensurately why the later movies/TV are failing that I've heard in quite some time. Well done.

@MaryRohwer

18 күн бұрын

I agree. My husband and I watched this stormtrooper parody from Unreal Engine. The stormtrooper is disillusioned with fighting for the empire. My husband related to an old sergeant being annoyed with management and his troops in the parody more than he would relate to an actual Star Wars that are coming out now.

What I love about the original Star Wars was its adherence to the classical Hero's Journey.

The novel "Kenobi" was very interesting. A small scale story about Obi-wan saving a small town from tusken raiders and corrupt leaders. I would have enjoyed seeing that.

@rameybutler-hm7nx

5 күн бұрын

Kenobi is a great novel!

Apparently it's 100 years before Phantom Menace so it doesn't even make sense given that Ki-Adi Mundi said "The Sith haven't been seen in over a millennia"

@Andrew-po8nt

17 күн бұрын

the only way it will make sense is if all the Jedi who know about the Sith die in this, and I highly doubt that will happen

@mattice9083

17 күн бұрын

Even then, there's still Yoda lol

@finalfantasy50

16 күн бұрын

they arent sith so its fine

@jacksparrow9227

15 күн бұрын

@@finalfantasy50 but they are

@ThespianPrince13

14 күн бұрын

@@finalfantasy50They are

If only they knew the power of Manflesh.

You know what cracks me Up is Disney has no problems giving light sabers to kids but opposes adults owning firearms.

The Acolyte is the culmination of what Lucasfilm wants Star Wars to be

@aldunlop4622

18 күн бұрын

Same as The Church. Brainwash them while they’re still young…

@Mereologist

18 күн бұрын

No... I think they want to go even further.

@itusjr69

18 күн бұрын

If they could get away with softcore s#x scenes they would do it.

@jkdbuck7670

18 күн бұрын

What? A cringe chop-socky flop? Agreed.😊

@Leafblade77

18 күн бұрын

I imagine that honour will go to the upcoming Rey film.

Everyone after watching The Acolyte: "Well... that happened".

“Incompetence”… coming to theatres throughout the years including on our tv platforms too. Brought to by Disney, WB etc and Gaming… Enjoy..! ☺️ I’m watching old movies, games, music and reading now… so I’m not missing out, and I’m not bored🥰

Of course everyone's special in Disney Wars. It's a basic girlboss tenet. She's absolutely perfect in every conceivable way, the best at everything, ever. The conflict is always against the world that refuses to acknowledge her rightful position. There's no personal growth, there's no adventure, no sense of wonder; there's just the absolute truth carved in stone, and doing whatever it takes, no matter how vile and morally reprehensible it is to force people to accept it.

@touarec

17 күн бұрын

Speaking the truth, however in the eyes of Hollywood execs and the mindless defenders of anything Star Wars this statement makes you a misogynistic piece of shit, so perpetual back and forth ensues. Disney will not learn from their failures and neither wil the industry it seems. Good thing theres Korean cinema with less of these issues going on.

Robert's comments about Star Wars was very accurate and deeply felt.

@chasehedges6775

18 күн бұрын

True

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

I didn't think they were

“Star Wars saved my life 😓”. Riiight so let’s change everything about Star Wars that saved your life.

Kennedy has to have a thousand mile long Epstein style list of blackmail on Disney to have kept her job for this damn long.

@dcmastermindfirst9418

18 күн бұрын

No no no. Kennedy doesn't need any of that. She's a woman. That's her leverage.

@tombell6989

18 күн бұрын

She makes movies that bring in hundreds of millions. It’s not hard to understand.

@dcmastermindfirst9418

18 күн бұрын

@tombell6989 But they don't. She's responsible for star wars films that actually lost money.

@tombell6989

17 күн бұрын

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 The net profit for the 5 Disney Star Wars movies is estimated to be around $1.2billion. But thanks.

@toegrit

15 күн бұрын

@@tombell6989 Most of that came from three movies, TFA in particular. Solo lost money, Rise didn't do well. If the movies were doing well enough they would've pumping them out. But thanks.

In a lot of modern Star Wars, it's like they forget that aliens exist in this galaxy. How is everyone involved always human?

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

Because we are humans and have trouble relating to alien characters.

@theveryworstluck1894

18 күн бұрын

@@Rotom0479 Tell that to Chewbacca, R2D2, and C3P0

@theveryworstluck1894

18 күн бұрын

@@Rotom0479 if you need a character to look exactly like you in order to relate to them, that's likely a YOU problem

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@theveryworstluck1894 People like those three, but they don't relate to them.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@theveryworstluck1894 it's not about looking like them, it's about having them be more easily recognizable to our eyes.

Luminara Unduli, Barriss Offee, Aayla Secura and many others wore outfits that weren't just the stereotypical jedi robes. I can't think of any others right now, but they could have easily had characters wearing outfits that are both jedi robes, that also show off their culture.

@jlev1028

18 күн бұрын

Quinlan Vos

The problem with the Jedi robes being based on Obi-Wan is that he was hiding. Those weren't Jedi robes. He was wearing exactly what Uncle Owen wears so he won't stand out. Making the robes he was wearing in Star Wars into a Jedi uniform makes Obi-Wan look like an idiot. If he is wearing a Jedi uniform, then he is not only risking drawing attention to himself, he would also be drawing attention to Luke. As for the look of the show, it's so drab and colorless. The main point of Star Wars was that it was a return to fun, pulpy sci-fi among all the serious films of the '70s.

@jackdaone6469

18 күн бұрын

To be fair, the “Jedi Uniform” was still rather drab and unremarkable robes.

@joehonan1773

18 күн бұрын

The Zayne Carrick comics and the old republic MMO were are more colorful

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

Everyone on Tatooine wears robes, Empire isn't gonna check the whole planet.

@No_nameOG

18 күн бұрын

It was a trap for Vader. That’s why Luke kept his last name, while applying to the Imperial Academy. It was unlikely that Vader would ever want to return to Tatooine, but if he did, Kenobi was ready, until ANH happened. The EU actually took the time to answer everything, but Disney is dumb.

@Andrew-po8nt

17 күн бұрын

@@No_nameOG I heard Vader hates sand, it's rough and course, and gets everywhere.

Just give us one dark toned Rated R Star Wars movie, like Darth Bane. Make people fear the Sith again. That's my advice for trying to get people to take Star Wars seriously.

@AAhmou

18 күн бұрын

Which is funny considering Darth Bane in his first book was blatantly criticizing the way the Sith acted.

@MTPatriot

18 күн бұрын

I have always thought that is what the Boba Fett movie should have been. Dark, gritty adventure staring an anti-hero. I somehow just can’t buy Boba Fett being morally upright samurai desert warrior. Nor can I buy all these sith/dark side users constantly having moral epiphanies after a lifetime devotion to their creed

@ez_w0rks

18 күн бұрын

Just like Andor made us fear the Empire

@exhaustguy

18 күн бұрын

@@MTPatriot - I thought they were going to lean into the whole Godfather thing. Instead with got Dances With Wolves (not even the grittier A Man Called Horse). They turned Boba into a teddy bear. I haven't read the EU stuff, but it would have been far more interesting if he formed an alliance with the Empire given he saw his dad's head cut off by a Jedi. He should have been an ongoing protagonist to Luke and the reemerging Jedi.

@chuckjames1434

18 күн бұрын

I don't want any of the rabid lunatics at Disney to ever go near Bane. -_-

Trailer has 1 white man in it and he is dropping to his knees as a sign of weakness. Why are they doing this?????

@Jadty

18 күн бұрын

You know EXACTLY why.

@covingtonrace1

18 күн бұрын

@@Jadty the Kathleen Kennedy fun bus rolls on down the road

@discobroccoli198

17 күн бұрын

You guys are on tin foil hat level conspiracy mode, holy shit.

@giulizpaviz6381

16 күн бұрын

​​@@discobroccoli198 think whatever you want, but explain this: why is it always the white cis guy the one character treaten like shit?

@discobroccoli198

16 күн бұрын

@@giulizpaviz6381 That’s not a thing. Bad things happen to all kinds of characters.

Star Wars, arguably the greatest movie franchise of all time, has been reduced to mere content. Thanks Disney. You couldn't have done it without you.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

Nothing wrong with that. I like having content.

@michaelh.8945

18 күн бұрын

All modern Western entertainment now feels like cookie cutter factory-made content.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@michaelh.8945 yes and? What's wrong with that?

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@mablesfatalfable6021 But it did make money, because I gave it to them. And I liked it.

@giulizpaviz6381

16 күн бұрын

​@@Rotom0479"don't ask question, just consume the product and be hyped for the next product" is that what you're saying?

There was a trailer for the Acolyte just after The Phantom Menace at the theater I went to on May 4th. I left almost immediately after the credits rolled, though I was one of the rare few. I think people expected there to be some sort of after credits scene to the movie.

@Wanten-the-stormtrooper

18 күн бұрын

I'm so glad I left the showing I went to before the trailer aired!

@TheCosmicFool

18 күн бұрын

I stayed for the trailer. Carrie Ann Moss looked great, everything else looked and felt terrible.

@pwh1981

18 күн бұрын

@@TheCosmicFool It's so weird seeing it though. That entire fight felt like they are trying to be The Matrix purely because the woman from The Matrix is in it, and not a fight in a Star Wars production. I'm getting real tired of seeing people try to fight a JEDI with close combat or hand-to-hand fighting; HK-47 would be disappointed.

@oXRaptorzXo

18 күн бұрын

@@pwh1981Isn’t the lightsaber supposed to be a last resort?

@oXRaptorzXo

18 күн бұрын

@@TheCosmicFoolthe choreography was pretty good. Be honest with yourself, from just that scene, it looks pretty good

As an aspiring but amateur creative writer, I really appreciate these “Chasers” convos so much. I’m staring at blank pages and asking “What do I want to do with any of this? What story to tell, what characters to create?” and it’s really helpful to listen to y’all hash it out, so at least I know: “Not that!” Just watching Fargo, for example, it’s so refreshing to see great character arcs with timeless parables. Solid character dev, simple stories. No need for some agenda, or sith-like absolutes saying “we MUST include X number of this race or that sexual orientation” or else there’s no story.

Daughter made a joke about some yoda meme going around. She said "I love star wars." I said "...you've never seen star wars." She rattled off 3 movies. One of the prequels and 2 of the "new" ones. I very calmly pulled up the OGs, made some dinner, and we binged the whole trilogy. She loved it. Next day, she tried to watch one of the ones she'd already seen on her phone, stopped half way through and simply said "These aren't as good as those new ones you showed me." I said "Baby, those came out a decade before you were born. Those are the originals." The look on her face was everything i feel about new star wars. XD She's 13 btw, this isn't one of those "My 2 year old quoted Shakespeare!"

@Iron-Bridge

17 күн бұрын

You are a responsible parent. Need more like you. 🖖👏

Everything is too clean. Thats part of the issue. And the checklist casting. Demographics are a thing and hollyweird has no idea how it works. It looks like cosplay.

@nunyabidness5375

18 күн бұрын

IDK Jedi Trinity could be badass if done right

@ardendragoon

18 күн бұрын

@@nunyabidness5375 yes it would, but it's disney. They haven made one good fight. It's not going to start now. We are getting force bloody fu.

@RogueKT21

18 күн бұрын

Agree. The original Star Wars had the worn lived in worlds that these shows cannot or don’t want to replicate.

@lemonsky5378

18 күн бұрын

The makeup looks like makeup. It's not believable. Vernestra Rwoh is a perfect example of this. When I look at her, I don't see a Mirialan. I just see a woman with green makeup.

@Adam-sd2ow

18 күн бұрын

Star Wars had English and American actors but they all used more subtle accents to not sound too familiar, now we hear the awful north London accent and the whiney California accent all the time.

Remember "The Gimp" from Pulp Fiction? ...seems he survived the Katana attack and was re-cast for the Acolyte! 🤣

Drinker is correct. They spent a lot to make it pretty. The problem is... I remember when they did the same with the first season of ST Discovery, where they spent 64+mil for 8 episodes. Looks great, but CRAP story. I'd take TNG or even 1977 SW graphics, IF the story is good. Because a good story and characters are more important.

@chasehedges6775

18 күн бұрын

A good story and character are more important than THIS

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

I saw TNG recently and it was boring as fuck

14:27 Robert absolutely nailed it about Star Wars and its relevance today. When he speaks, everyone listens.

Robert made a great point. Lucas took normal characters who are caught up in extraordinary events. Luke and his aunt and uncle were living their lives. They were observers to the Empire and all that was going on just working and etching out an existence when they unsuspectingly get caught up in the events unfolding in the galaxy. We can relate to that. Disney now is about the characters having missions and it’s nothing about them we can relate too.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

Bruh, I don't know about you, but I don't want to see characters on my level, I want to see characters much better than me doing stuff I can't do.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

Luke isn't an ordinary guy though. He is the son of a Sith Lord that terrorises the galaxy.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p exactly

The Big Bad's helmet looks like someone said 'make a helmet that is Really cheap to manufacturer so we can make more money when we sell them' 🤑

"The Drinker Recommends" being above the trailer. 😂

Leslye Headland's Acolyte is the Disney Star Wars show that I'm most looking forward to... not watch.

Robert and Fringy hit the nail precisely. "Star Wars" starts out as the small-scale story of a young nobody on a forgotten desert planet, who knows nothing about the larger universe or the events that are unfolding. We make all those amazing discoveries (stormtroopers, droids, Jedi, FTL travel, family connections, etc etc) at the same time he does. Everything is fresh and new and alien and intriguing and exciting and epic. No wonder it became such a cultural icon. Now granted, we can no longer have that first-time experience, but we can certainly still enjoy the story arcs of seemingly inconsequential characters who start out small and end up somewhere special -- and, one hopes, connected in some way to the larger galactic fabric.

The point about how we relate to Luke and Han also applies to Anakin/Vader and is what makes the central theme of the story so compelling. We all aspire to be Luke and succeed when destiny calls, but how many people fail (and fucking KNOW they failed) when it does call? Anakin/Vader is extremely relatable, and Lucas mentions this in an interview at one time. We are all one step away from being Vader. And, therefore, we are also one step from being Luke. That's life, and that's interesting.

Maybe I like shiny things, Tiaras, crowns, and diamond rings-- Galadriel of elven lore, So lovely in the gown she wore; Amidala, glorious queen, A gasp escaped when she was seen. Now the heroes look much worse Within Dystopian Universe Why's this lady poorly dressed? Fell out of bed, her hair's a mess- Hollywood, without a story, Deprived of awe, bereft of glory.

My local theater has Phantom Menace showing every day. I can't be bothered to feed Disney any money whatsoever. Star Wars is absolutely dead to me.

Brilliant comments from Robert at 14:00 Every observation you make is the Star Wars every 80's kid grew up with around the world. Thank you!

I still remember my friend telling me Disney had aquired star wars, and how cool it was going to be to get new content annually. My response was literally "Nooo", as soon as he mentioned who acquired it. I stand by that "Nooo" still.

Luke was dressed In white clothes in the episode 4, then a grey in 5, then black in episode 6. The closer to the dark side the dark side. That's how I seen it

@fawkesandhound

18 күн бұрын

It’s got nothing to do with the force. It’s literally a device to show his growth, as a hero. White, for pure, but naive. Grey in the middle and black, as the master or veteran.

@No_nameOG

18 күн бұрын

It was meant show the risk of Luke falling. His black outfit shows how he has grown more like his father, but in the end, he stays in the light, shown by the clasp opening to reveal that the black was always white underneath.

@firestarter000001

15 күн бұрын

@@fawkesandhound I agree. It might have also worked for the dark side at the end of Return of the Jedi, but it was for sure to show the growth of Luke. When you see him in begining of Return of the Jedi all black dressed,all reserved and stoic , after the juvenile, naive, brightly dressed luke from before, you just get hit how different he is, that now he has passed a treshold in becoming a Jedi

Drinker, great panel. Everyone had something insightful and thoughtful to say. Very entertaining. Thank you!

15:14 Great points all around by Robert here. There are no deeper stories in Star Wars anymore.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

Star Wars doesn't need to be deep.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

Andor.

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Andor doesn't need to be deep either. Andor would have been better if it were simpler

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

@@Rotom0479 Sure, not like it's the whole reason people like it...

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p People are liking it for the wrong reason.

Robert’s rant @14:00 is just so profoundly accurate. When Disney first acquired Lucasfilm and they announced the “anthology films”, those films were actually what I was actually most (naïvely) hopeful for. I was more excited for spy films, heist films, horror or suspense films, war films, etc. set within the Star Wars universe than for an unnecessary extension to the Skywalker story. Why? Because those films would’ve been great for building the lore. Instead, what we’ve gotten were endless retreads, spin-offs, remakes, and retcons, all of which reduce the entirety of Star Wars to “Somehow, Palpatine returned.” When Disney isn’t busy shitting all over existing legacy characters and their storylines, they’re cranking out as much nostalgia as possible (“Hey fans, remember lightsabers? What about Jedi mind tricks, remember those?”) to get their ROI with the minimal effort necessary. It’s just more and more of the same but with a fraction of the care, skill, and vision that George brought to the franchise.

Willow in outer space.

Star Woke

@bellissimo4520

18 күн бұрын

Woke Wars?

@AllanHinde-mb2pr

18 күн бұрын

@@bellissimo4520 either way will do

I've mentioned this dozens of time, so here I go once again: if you want a good version of the Kenobi show, and I mean a REALLY good version, go read Kenobi by John Jackson Miller. It takes place about a month after Revenge of the Sith, all from Obi-Wan's POV. He's grappling with the changes in his life while facing a relatively small-scale threat that Master Obi-Wan Kenobi could fix in an instant, but the hermit Ben Kenobi should just ignore. It's an absolutely fantastic character study, and I cannot recommend it highly enough.

Now I cant stop hearing "tik tok jedi" to the tune of jukebox hero

Its the main problem i have with many modern writers, they dont want to flesh out villian factions to make you wanna hate/respect them. This is a prime opportunity to fully maximise the potential of what the sith can be. What are their goals? Why people join them? What are their training? The tactics and counters to jedi. Quit with this morally grey bullshit. Give me a villian that i want to hate and root for

@Rotom0479

18 күн бұрын

But morally grey stuff is more interesting.

Star Wars and Marvel are at this point like a wine which tastes like dogshit. And the older it gets the shittier it tastes.

@chasehedges6775

18 күн бұрын

💯💯

TBF about clothing in the Jedi Order, they do have access to a wider "civilian" wardrobe, as Anakin had very un-Jedi clothing when travelling with Padme on public transport in AotC. Though this level of storytelling subtlety has been lost with most of Disney's output!

It's important to note that in the OG SW trilogy the first person seen wearing supposed "Jedi Robes" was in fact Lukes uncle Owen Lars, him very much NOT being a Jedi. The implimantation being that Ben Kenobi adapted local culture clothes for his hermite lifestyle on that specific planet. George Lucas himself must have forgotten it when he made Owens' moisture farmer robes the default uniform for the Republics Jedi Order in the Prequels (and everybody else accepting it).

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

Yoda and Anakin's ghosts also wore robes.

The Acolyte will save Star Wars 🤣🤣🤣

@RafaelaSantos-bz2tb

18 күн бұрын

On they dreams Kathleen and Lesley are right now crying in the shower

@witchingroom

18 күн бұрын

Star Wars is back baby!

@nungfish

18 күн бұрын

@@RafaelaSantos-bz2tb What? together?

I can imagine Frank Herbert laughing from beyond the grave.

6:43 the problem with Andor as I see it is that it's about a character I don't care about who dies in a mediocre movie. I have zero interest in watching it because it's still part of the wider Disney Star Wars world where every road leads to Jake Skywalker and Rey Palpatine. Nothing short of decanonizing the sequel trilogy will ever rekindle my interest in new Star Wars media because that's where the characters I *do* care about all went to die miserable, inglorious deaths.

I've said this before: GIMP SITH. I keep looking for the zipper. "Get the Sith." "Sith's sleeping." "Well, wake him up!"

@ItsaKindOfMagic86

17 күн бұрын

🤣

Old Star Wars, even the prequels = Characters were forced into impossible choices New Star Wars = Characters have alot of choices but repeatedly make stupid ones, with insane plotholes

Regarding the outfits criticism: even if they’re meant to be warrior monks, it doesn’t make sense that the Jedi in this show are all dressed the same way Jedi were in the prequels. In the Jedi Survivor game, Dagan Gera (one of the villains) is an ex-High Republic Jedi and his robes are significantly different looking from the prequel Jedi, as well as his master’s robes. So we see that they did indeed, dress differently. Dagan’s robes are almost royal looking, showing the elegance and prosperity of the High Republic

@MaryRohwer

18 күн бұрын

The Jedi outfit at 3:42 looks very poorly done. Like knock-off brand Halloween costumes at Walmart. There was no effort put into the costume at all.

@oXRaptorzXo

18 күн бұрын

There are some Jedi in this era who wear those golden robes. They have different outfits, just like the prequel Jedi did.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p

18 күн бұрын

Dagan Gera is naked in that game...

@alexm6715

18 күн бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Did you play the game lol? Theres literally scenes with him and his master during the time of the High Republic and they’re wearing robes.

@firestarter000001

15 күн бұрын

It kinda does to me. A monk order is likely to adhere to tradition, including dressing , going on for hundreds or even thopusands of years, sorta like shao lin

Robert. Thank you so much for reminding me why I love Starwars. It's great watching you on shows like this. It feels like you have the freedom to give your opinion.

"Why can't we have a low stakes Obi-Wan story on Tatooine." Oh, you mean like the book LITERALLY written for Legends where he protects a moisture-farming town against mobsters while hiding his identity? Lucasfilm had all the brilliance in the world handed to them on a platter and ignored it.

NOT ONE PENNY!

Ideologically colonised.

@14:00 Robert does a spot-on critique of new vs old: why the original trilogy resonated and what is missing in the new. That guy deserves an award for that speech

Good point about the original cast being so down-to-earth and relatable. For me, the original three films (Episodes 3 through 5) were all about watching a gang of good friends hanging out and going on adventures together. I haven't felt that in a long, long time with Star Wars.

I only bash the Acolyte on days that end in "Y"

I saw the Acolyte trailer after watching the rerelease of the Phantom Menace and I couldn’t help but say it twice out loud: “What the fuck does that even mean?”

Disney killed the golden goose for a goose with diarrhea.

I always felt like "Fury" would make a great template for a Star Wars movie. Just a tank crew of memorable characters trying to survive in the context of a broader war. In fact, it wouldn't even really matter if the tank crew was Republic or Empire... the commander really just wants to keep his crew alive.

i miss the ice planet hoth.

1st I'm hearing this Robert guy and i like him

LOL. I think the Acolyte can best be summed up by a quote from Calculon (Futurama): "That was so terrible, I think you gave me cancer!" Disney is so focused on their message that they have forgotten what made Star Wars great to begin with. Tell an engaging and entertaining story with characters you ACTUALLY care about. I think it's a safe bet that the Acolyte will set a new record. It will be a dumpster fire that will be seen in a galaxy far, far away. If I need a Star Wars fix, I'll stick to playing KOTOR. Also their trailers are far superior to any of the garbage that Kennedy and her minions can come up with

14:01 freakin' brilliant spiel by Robert here. Summed it up perfectly.

Everything is too clean. Thats part of the issue. And the checklist casting. Demographics are a thing and hollyweird has no idea how it works. It looks like cosplay

Zhesejedis are alllooking like Fremen because Dune 2 had success

Here’s the rub from my point of view: I WANT Star Wars to be successful. I WANT to enjoy Star Wars. I have watched every Star Wars show in the hopes that I’ll find something that I can latch onto and say, “I liked this because…” Disney makes it so hard to do. And sure, in the films and shows and games I DO love, there are things I’m not excited or even dislike within. It’s never as clean and simple as “this is perfect without exception.” The OT will always be my passion. PT will have a special place because of that time in my life. Same with TCW series. I love what The Mandalorian did for the franchise. But god almighty, Disney is dead set on telling poorly imagined fan fiction in an effort to destroy the SW legacy. Hell, I’ll take Caravan of Courage and Battle for Endor over most of Disney’s offerings It’s not a “girl brand.” It’s not a “boy brand.” It’s the representation of hope and faith being rewarded. It’s good triumphing over evil. It’s redemption and renewal. It’s our journey. All of us. And it should be represented that way.

4:00 Jedi/Darth Revan wore a sick-awesome-looking white/black robe+armor combo, suited for battle and war, but also represented both versions of Him as a Jedi General and Lord of the Sith. Different eras had different styles...the easy way to do it to give Star Wars into people who have talent and creativity...so not 2020+ dizni!