Schrodinger's n-word

@fetormephitis3040

4 жыл бұрын

Hilarious! Imo steal that!

@sovietsandvich8443

4 жыл бұрын

That’s pretty funny

@lionelmessisburner7393

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Destiny's editor took to long to upload the debate in this debate.

@MultiRomyl

4 жыл бұрын

*too

@HomeGymEnjoyer

4 жыл бұрын

*too

@whoisthisguy240

4 жыл бұрын

*toooo

@wind5039

4 жыл бұрын

Takes time to polish a turd.

@wschippr1

4 жыл бұрын

WHO IS THIS GUY? *two...

Hasan is the perfect example of a person who can write a 400 page book about the shininess of a clean spoon, without ever mentioning the spoon.

@elmcourt6101

2 жыл бұрын

Weird example...

@EON314

2 жыл бұрын

Accurate

@johnmattera6772

2 жыл бұрын

Lol this is a very odd but fitting comparison! 🤣… Hasan is so bad at debating/outlining his positions.

@Devious90210

2 жыл бұрын

A politician

@skvttlez1263

Жыл бұрын

i don’t get it

Maaan as a black dude it's hilarious hearing non black people argue this stuff lmao

@Ethozel

2 жыл бұрын

It really is lmao. What's your opinion tho?

@whattheheck7984

2 жыл бұрын

I don't care about people using it tbh. I don't respect racists or people who use slurs in a racist fashion. Slurs are all in poor taste, honestly.

@Ethozel

2 жыл бұрын

@@whattheheck7984 yup, agreed. That's the right mindset to keep

@bobzombie2710

Жыл бұрын

Right? Same thing happens everywhere. Love it when non-white people say how white people should act and feel.

@jimmyhostetler3421

Жыл бұрын

It’s embarrassing that these dudes can scream at each other for 30 minutes about this dumb shit

The last time I was this early I pirated the entire Destiny season finale on other channels.

@bernardosax

4 жыл бұрын

Twicharazzis channel should be canceled honestly. Literally just taking content.

@nilsify

4 жыл бұрын

@@bernardosax if his editor was faster he wouldnt have been able to yoink it

@bernardosax

4 жыл бұрын

@Hungry Estonian yes. Both are true. Doesnt mean he shouldnt be shutdown though.

@bernardosax

4 жыл бұрын

@@nilsify thats true. Doesnt mean he shouldnt be shutdown.

@nikkeipvck8529

4 жыл бұрын

Why u watching that boi

they used to be such a happy couple

@CEWIII9873

10 күн бұрын

running through fields of flowers holding hands...

Man seeing how destiny looks a year after this is nuts. He’s really developed a fine layer of pandemic grease

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@wononcyka666

2 жыл бұрын

That guy from the ghetto news network was right, he doesn't shower.

@Donttalktomeifyoureabot

2 жыл бұрын

brought to you by chickfila

@Sprite_525

2 жыл бұрын

@@wononcyka666 ah the “your heart pumps koolaid” guy! Did he ever continue or did he fade back into a cloud of memey dust?

@JustifyTheseHeathens

2 жыл бұрын

When incels get money something bad happens

Every time I feel sad, I watch this debate. Excellent meme debate.

@aleksisuuronen5969

2 жыл бұрын

This just get's me absolutely frustrated 😅

@MrBonglove

2 жыл бұрын

do u feel sad a lot?

@JayCR7

Жыл бұрын

2 stupid white liberals are arguing about n word LUL

@ataridc

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBonglove do you?

@BD-fk9fw

Жыл бұрын

@@ataridc do you?

"I am the Bernie Sanders of saying the N-word" ........ omg, I almost fell out of my chair laughing

@AsifIcarebear3

4 жыл бұрын

It's insanely annoying that anything is just dumbed down to worthlessness. "I stand for principles" - "OH THE PRINCIPLE OF SAYING THE N-WORD LOL xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?". It's just rhetorical candy to whoever already agrees.

@anteaterking6728

4 жыл бұрын

@@AsifIcarebear3 Maybe he didn't understand, english is his second language after all.

@ToughDuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@anteaterking6728 Possibly third

@Butterpants1987

2 жыл бұрын

i cant believe i just came across this. i really wish he wouldnt compare himself to a fraud like bernie though.

Destiny became the Bernie Sanders of saying the N Word in this debate.

@DeadMarine1980

4 жыл бұрын

@@CrasterFamily hahaha

@haydertahir8556

4 жыл бұрын

Corey Ander 😂

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

Hasan is the Jordan Peterson of the Left

@Butterpants1987

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheesuschrist5085 not at all. whether you agree with peterson or not, hes very consistent and deliberate with his words. hasan is just a coward. but, what else would you expect from a young turk? i for one dislike the 'destiny became bernie sanders' thing. bernie is a fraud, destiny is extremely honest.

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

@@Butterpants1987 I agree Hasan is a moron

He literally answered the question the very first time

@benboy0404

3 жыл бұрын

literally didn't

@dorianoeser1529

3 жыл бұрын

@@benboy0404 nah bro, he did...

@thorgeist

3 жыл бұрын

He sort of did.. But then dude is also making a big deal out of mole hill. Destiny clearly isn’t a “racist.” We all know that cultures say dehumanizing jokes about other people of varying cultures within their culture. That’s the “private” argument Destiny is referring to. Mountain, out of a mole hill moment for sure..

@callofdutylova18

3 жыл бұрын

Hasanbi stan confirmed

@TurnLeft

3 жыл бұрын

@@benboy0404 he literally did. He also gave examples from Destiny himself lol.

Im a big fan, but on this I disagree with Destiny. I heard Hasanabi answer the question a few times and I agree with his points. Don't hate me for having a different opinion lol

@rexyz5875

3 жыл бұрын

Do t hate me for having a diff opnion too but hasan didnt answer the question 😂

@rowantindal4609

Жыл бұрын

@@rexyz5875 hasan said multiple times that the context matters, amazingly this is an answer to his question. Sorry to blow your mind right but debates on stuff like the use of the n word arent as simple as yes or no questions. It would be nice if they were but the world is not that simple

@matsab7930

Жыл бұрын

@@rowantindal4609 it’s easy to say ‘depends on context’ instead of actually making an argument. It’s a cowards approach.

@tbumpy4035

Жыл бұрын

@@matsab7930 no, it's just a more grey approach. destiny is mad that hasan doesn't give a binary answer that he can box him in with, that's all

@josephjohnson8212

9 ай бұрын

@@tbumpy4035but the POINT of a question is to “box you in” by getting precise and coherent answers

"Is it okay to say it privately if you don't say that you do publically?" To be fair, even if he believed the answer was yes, he wouldn't be able to say so publically for the same reason why he would hold that belief.

@user-jy2sj4ed4i

2 жыл бұрын

That was my thought too.

@JustN0tMe

2 жыл бұрын

@Anal Farmer The edgy teen😑 Words have influence and they make people take actions. If I threat your safety or your family's safety, you'll take action...same goes for the n-word. If you believe someone is a n-word, you believe, at a fundamental level, that black people are sub-human, meaning that human rights don't apply to blacks, etc... That's the same as threatening a black person's safety.

@JustN0tMe

2 жыл бұрын

@Anal Farmer Blacks don't call each other the er version, unless they mean to insult another black person, which has the same result regardless of race. Death treats are illegal, so it is revoking someone's human rights (racism is actually illegal in many countries around the world) Yes, people have died due to words, bullying can lead to suicide...I find it funny that I had to do the work for your brain...use it, it has a purpose😅

@JustN0tMe

2 жыл бұрын

@Anal Farmer Is this supposed to be a racist joke...try another one, there are better ones out there Perhaps your IQ doesn't help you understand the better ones.

@JustN0tMe

2 жыл бұрын

@Anal Farmer I don't get why your virginity is related to your intelligence. You have options to lose your virginity, go for bad looking women, women as smart as you and if these groups reject you, you can always pay for services. To solve your IQ issue, just go to school again and again, they might help you, since that isn't a set number

Destiny and Hasan have literally the same position on this, they just can't understand each other and get angry for no reason. Okay.

@onseayu

4 жыл бұрын

uhhh because hasan is too dumb to argue his positions so he has to resort to being two faced?

@onseayu

4 жыл бұрын

@@ulipeterson6112 no way. i forget which video this is, but if it's the kamala harris one, i stand by my comment. hasan simply got out-argued, and then totally went off on destiny because of it! and destiny wasn't arguing in bad faith as much as just not making it easy for hasan. i mean honestly, go over the debate again. hasan just won't concede points even when he's clearly wrong.

@onseayu

4 жыл бұрын

@@ulipeterson6112 duuuuuuuuuude did you see the one before this video?? where destiny gets ambushed????? either you completely missed it, or YOU'RE acting in bad faith.

@lordlinkthegreat

4 жыл бұрын

@@onseayu i dont understand how that applies to this video which was the result of trying to create a sense of good faith for destiny which resulted in destiny entertaining it in bad faith.

@carter.4023

4 жыл бұрын

onseau literally just Whataboutism dog, it is quite simple. In this video Destiny was pretty clearly arguing in bad faith and completely dishonest

Hassan admitting that there are SOME circumstances where it’s acceptable, and then later suggesting that most of the time it would not be ok, is not contradictory and detrimental like destiny seemed to think it was. Admitting there are some acceptable circumstances, like destiny agrees with, also implies there are circumstances where it’s not ok, and Hassan was obviously trying to communicate that in most conceivable circumstances it would not ok. And just cuz he couldnt communicate that like a philosophy debate robot doesn’t mean destiny has the high ground here.

@kintuppa

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, he's taking steps to fix some of these issues now

@DiesiraeL

2 жыл бұрын

True..

@maxandchace

2 жыл бұрын

True, watching that when I’m used to current destiny totally threw me off. It was entertaining but I feel like destiny could have actually had at least a bit more meeting of the minds here if he wasn’t so vicious. Anyone got context on why he was so rabid? Edit: I watched the rest of the video and Destiny is totally justified. Hassan complete bad faith weasel.

@7th808s

2 жыл бұрын

Best comment

@veritasabsoluta4285

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxandchace yep

I genuinely believe that it’s impossible for these two to hold a constructive debate because they’re both too emotionally charged in politics.

@roejogan2585

2 жыл бұрын

@@tenfourten8438 hasan cannot be constructive unless his fan base disagrees

@iworshipgaysandsatan6822

Жыл бұрын

literally. it becomes such an ego debate by like 10 minutes in where both of them are to unwilling to make concessions. Hasan could have a good point but he gets too easily lost by Destiny being like "YOURE NOT ANSWERING IT". If hasan just maintained like "No contexts, just don't say it. Normalises it/telling people you say it publically has the same effect as saying the n word publically", he would be fine. But he gets lost in "its okay sometimes fine.." which means his original point is completely pointless.

@hoiman2356

Жыл бұрын

@@iworshipgaysandsatan6822 Destiny doesn't understand nuance. The world isn't black and white lmao. There are certain contexts where it is okay to say the word. But they are rare and limited.

@finnish_hunter

Жыл бұрын

No, Hadan is just an idiot. And today mentioning the N word is like launching a nuke.

@PD-hv3my

Жыл бұрын

Being emotionally involved isn’t a bad thing! It just means you’re passionate about your viewpoints. Men have made up this whole emotion is the enemy of rationality bullshit to decrease the credibility of those who have empathy it’s so bs

Destiny really wants to say the N word in this debate.

@DeadMarine1980

4 жыл бұрын

I want Hasan to say it in reference to Armenians

@psyjax2

4 жыл бұрын

@@DeadMarine1980 Oh snap!

@psyjax2

3 жыл бұрын

@Burton family vlogs 123 heh

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

Funny

@Guccipoooch

2 жыл бұрын

Nincompoop

"End of the leftist arc" Yeah ok

@zfish1995

4 жыл бұрын

Amine the videos were uploaded out of order I think

@jeremias-serus

4 жыл бұрын

this was before the subreddit thread analysis

@casualboicas7610

4 жыл бұрын

this is a week old or so

@GrahamSiggins

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, there was a question mark at the end of it lol

@trescohen8232

4 жыл бұрын

this was before the end of leftist video. most of the videos in the last 3 weeks are out of order

Just my opinion, but I feel that in the beginning of the debate, Destiny is really not discussing in good faith. He keeps derailing what Hasan is saying to bring the discussion back to loaded questions he has carefully chosen to prove the point he'd like to make. This leaves Hasan with two equally undesirable options. Hasan could give a simple direct answer, but that allows Destiny to steer the direction of the conversation. His other option is to expand on his response a bit, but if he does this, Destiny will cut him off part way through and repeat the question, making Hasan look unfocused or unprepared. It's kind of like the only way Destiny is willing to have this conversation is by using the Socratic method, which is great at derailing someone's argument, but not necessarily good for finding a mutual understanding.

@stodt_

Жыл бұрын

I'm late to this but this comment is exactly how I felt this "debate" went as well. Just Destiny trying to lead Hasan into a gotcha moment. Well said

@noneya6880

5 ай бұрын

@@stodt_ and hasan is good at debating

Haha, imagine these two trying to make decisions for the country.

"Do you luv black people Hasan?" "Depends on who they are and what they do." "Answuh da qwestion. Do. You. Love. Black. People?"

@rafeekgafoor8084

4 жыл бұрын

Conspicuous User aaaammmaazziin!!!!!!!

@levvy3006

4 жыл бұрын

*Du yu luv blac pepol...*

@pureevilclutch

4 жыл бұрын

@stalkad Yes this was Destiny farming Hassan for his dipshit viewers OMEAGALUL 100% a bad faith actor.

@blacksheepnomad9000

3 жыл бұрын

Amazin

@The_Musicman001

Ай бұрын

😂

There was too much Yakubian energy in this debate.

@nikkeipvck8529

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank Marano what's that

@sebastiansirvas1530

4 жыл бұрын

@@nikkeipvck8529 black nationalist slur for white people

@Black_pearl_adrift

4 жыл бұрын

Whys everyone taking our black nationalism memes? My safespace has been invaded I dont like it 😒

@jnoter

4 жыл бұрын

Yakubaians PEPE

@drewinsects

4 жыл бұрын

*Yakuza energy

I discovered Hasan recently, and found him very annoying. I saw this video and thought it would be nice to see him get taken to task by someone. Now I dislike two people.

@aliince9372

2 жыл бұрын

I'm just coming across Destiny now. Why do you dislike him?

@MusicaX79

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliince9372 Destiny's politics and economics are what some would call hypocritical or all over the place. He is known for making arguments in bad faith when he thinks he is loosing a "debate." Also one of his debate "tactics" is strawmanning and refusing to allow the other person to respond. If all of these fails he has in the past just started screaming. Some of his worst "debates" have been against Sargon of Akkad (Carl Benjamin), since Sargon just doesn't put up with it. That being said thou he has gotten better over the last 3~ years at admitting what he is hypocritical on. Allowing more free foam discussions, instead of "debates" that go nowhere.

@aliince9372

2 жыл бұрын

@@MusicaX79 Ta.

@DrusstheSlayer

2 жыл бұрын

@@aliince9372 That guy is legit full trolling.

@DrusstheSlayer

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MusicaX79 You are saying that Destiny is a person with politically and economically hypocritical takes that uses the following tactics to win debates: Strawman>refuse to let the other person speak>scream. That is your good faith description of Destiny's debates? Are you trolling or memeing and it's whooshed over my head or are you a liar?

Omg hasan answered the question 50 times, watching this is so unbelievably frustrating because neither of them are letting the other get any other point in

@Omnipoops

2 жыл бұрын

He didn't

@isaiahrosner3780

Жыл бұрын

@@Omnipoops Yeah he did. He just said more after it. Destiny wanted him to only give a 1-word answer and Hasan wanted to explain further.

@Omnipoops

Жыл бұрын

@@isaiahrosner3780 what was his answer? The issue with the more he said after it was it was always cover for him to weasle out of holding a position.

@godfathaofyo

Жыл бұрын

@@Omnipoops Hasan said its okay in context, referring to quoting Tom Sawyer, this whiny little bitch Destiny hear that, and said that means i can say in a racist joke then? No no you cant, because the intent of the joke is to harm, it is quite opposite than using in while quoting a Mark Twain novel.

@painted_crimson

Жыл бұрын

@@Omnipoops He said No several times.

This is the stupidest exchange I’ve had the misfortune of watching in a while

@lordlinkthegreat

4 жыл бұрын

and its always between these two too. there are so many times they explicitly agree on something but just have to hash it out and start arguing against each other.

@Trajanlance

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordlinkthegreat what even happened between them?

@franceshogg8907

3 жыл бұрын

@@Trajanlance Small disagreements that escalated, it’s dumb

@wisetrollman

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah Hasan is a bad faith snake fake socialist

@nemesiszer0708

3 жыл бұрын

@Kushtopha Most people aren’t stupid enough to live stream it lol

I feel like I’ve just gone back in time, Come on destiny editors lol

@AntoineVello

4 жыл бұрын

They REALLY dropped the ball. I was seeing all of this crazy shit on the subreddit. Couldn't figure out what was going on and ran to twitch in desperation.

@solo8348

4 жыл бұрын

Reddy Salted who watches twitch vods?

@magtak

4 жыл бұрын

@@solo8348 twitch streamers

@L1vingAshlar

4 жыл бұрын

In the description you can see who has edited each one, looks like the recent ones aren't his usual editor.

@Amonfobious

4 жыл бұрын

@Hungry Estonian wdym twitch vods are the reason i pulled the trigger on ad block because id get a 30sec midroll every 10 mins

I came here wanting to believe Destiny's version of events but I have to say that Hasan did answer the question. Hasan had other things he was wanting to say and was resistant to a clear answer but he did answer. I say this after watching 11 minutes.

@WTFBUTWHY

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. It’s not a yes or no question

@penskepc2374

Жыл бұрын

@@WTFBUTWHY Hasan is an idiot though, that's not any kind of question.

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

@@WTFBUTWHY Nobody asked for a yes or no answer

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

So what was the answer?

@smolderingtitan

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 no. He said no a few times.

It was obvious that Destiny's initial question was a bait question to all of us, that's why the other guy was hesitant to answer it without some context. As soon as he answers it Destiny goes "Your community isn't going to like that" and kicks him shortly after.

@Morhpocelionate

3 жыл бұрын

It’s not a bait question, Destiny’s position is “There are appropriate contexts to use the n word in private”. He is asking Hassan the same question.

@gnol3656

3 жыл бұрын

@@Morhpocelionate yeah tbh tho he probs shoulda let hasan explain more even if it was off topic to the quetion, i woulda liked to know but he completely cut hasan off.

@jdjenk04

2 жыл бұрын

@@gnol3656 he let hasan respond with an entire paragraph worth of sentences. I’m sure if he didn’t cut in, it would’ve turned into a whole 5 page essay.

@gnol3656

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdjenk04 I said this 8 months ago lol maybe you're right but I forget what we were talking about completely

@drapercast7350

Жыл бұрын

@@Morhpocelionate has an acolytes don’t see that tho

Destiny had a private discussion in this debate

@thorbjrnbeckmann1018

4 жыл бұрын

If you are referring to him typing, I think he is just taking notes

@nathancampos6277

4 жыл бұрын

@@thorbjrnbeckmann1018 No, it's a meme referencing his private jokes.

@thorbjrnbeckmann1018

4 жыл бұрын

@@nathancampos6277 Oooh, I see! Thanks

As a black dude myself, I really don't give a shit what people say privately. It essentially comes down to how they treat myself or others that will determine if I should take offense or not.

@caahj

Жыл бұрын

W pfp

@Elliesora

10 ай бұрын

I mean is it okay if I’m black and I say the n word to you, but if I’m white does it make you mad or is it ok, I’m just trying to get answers

@rouncefamily4127

9 ай бұрын

okay? want a cookie?

@soyboy6

7 ай бұрын

​@@Elliesoraeveryones different, you could hit me with a hard r and i truley wouldnt give a rats ass but others will try to fight you over n word ending with an a even if its not mewnt to gurt feeling

Destiny went from far left to far right without moving.

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

Elaborate

@lubu2960

2 жыл бұрын

waht

@agustin4741

2 жыл бұрын

@UCLVToDTyiACvXorPAWJn_3g The Overton window on twitch and youtube shifted a lot. Now you have dumbasses like Hasan saying unironically that Destiny is rightwing while the dude just have the same stance all this time

@imShlievenhien

2 жыл бұрын

Define far right

This clip proves the importance of freedom of speech, imagine if we gave the power to control speech, legislatively, to these people

@toddpacker4683

3 жыл бұрын

This isn’t about legal rights

@spikedmo

Жыл бұрын

@@toddpacker4683 do you know what the word "imagine" means?

@JayD73

Жыл бұрын

@@spikedmo his point is Hasan isn’t saying that he would restrict peoples speech in a legal sense so imagining if we gave him legislative power isn’t really relevant because there’s no evidence he would change our current laws on free speech

@Mich-jk2ze

Жыл бұрын

@@JayD73 I don’t think we should trust anything Hassan says.

@JayD73

Жыл бұрын

@@Mich-jk2ze sure I don’t really like Hassan or his views but you can’t just say he would do something when he’s never said he would do it. That’s dishonest

Destiny was dancing on the ashes of a burnt bridge in this debate.

@dragonplayz6606

4 жыл бұрын

That Guy From NY lmao I saw u on a rajj Patel show comment section

@TheOneTheyCallFrost

4 жыл бұрын

@@dragonplayz6606 Did you like what you saw?

@syrinsylte915

2 жыл бұрын

Did you come up with that analogy or did you take it from somewhere? Cause if you did I think it’s impressive, damn good wordplay

@aaaak4

2 жыл бұрын

the question was answered 10 times in the first 5 min and he didnt he it once.

People might disagree with this, and I'm actually on Destiny's side on this issue but he's acting a bit like Jesse Lee Peterson at the beginning. He asks a question, Hasan answers but adds nuance to his answer and Destiny says "why can't you just answer the question". I think Destiny is a great debater, but I don't get why he does stuff like that, and it's always bothered me. Seems like a way to manipulate the other person through with weak pedantry. Am I wrong on this?

@ChoppersRevenge

4 жыл бұрын

one is dodging a direct answer, the other is a loaded question that already begs the answer.

@thesilverniko7654

4 жыл бұрын

The issue is that Destiny is trying to establish whether it is EVER okay to do x. When Hasan answers and says that he would "rather", it doesn't advance the convo. We're talking about whether its okay, not what you would rather someone do.

@chillepalmerz

4 жыл бұрын

watching further I sort of get what he's doing. He feels like he's been smeared and misrepresented so he's trying to give Hasan a taste of that. I'm with him there, but in a vacuum his behavior at the beginning feels odd.

@morphkogan8627

4 жыл бұрын

You may be right in other debates or arguments, but not this one. Hasan derails and tries to back peddaling by saying well I don't think it's funny, it's cringy, I'd never so it blahabalabah. He wasn't asking whether Hasan would do it personally.

@zabadyboopywhatawoopy5192

4 жыл бұрын

Amazin, the only thing that was missing here was destiny calling hasanbae a beata!

Destiny seriously needs to see a therapist.

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

But at least he's not wrong.

@ALeaud

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 I have no idea why I even wrote this. It was 2 years ago. Hasan is a total moron. Destiny was 100% right.

@bloodsports94

Жыл бұрын

Found the mentally retarded hasan fanboy

@akhilnair1137

8 ай бұрын

​@@spacetoast7783he is you weren't paying attention.

@spacetoast7783

8 ай бұрын

@@akhilnair1137 thanks for being specific 👍

I really like Destiny but he lost me on this one. First of all he got unhinged out of nowhere, secondly Hasan actually explained his answer but Destiny didn't accepted it. As mentioned below , Just take a break on debating Destiny relax a bit.

@minecraft12346

4 жыл бұрын

He doesn't answer the questions. He never gives his own opinion on what he personally thinks only what other people should do. "“Uhm no, I would you rather....” he isn’t answering the question. He is giving his opinion on what he would RATHER people do. Not giving his actual position in it. Which is why in multiple parts of this he says stuff like “it’s cringe to say” or “I wouldn’t personally say it” but when hasan FINALLY gives his position it’s that of “ in certain contexts around the right people it is okay to say edgy jokes that include the n-word” hopefully you just misunderstood and you aren’t being a massive piece of disingenuous shit." - what someone else in the comments said

@cesartheskinwalker

4 жыл бұрын

@@minecraft12346 TRUE!

@carter.4023

4 жыл бұрын

dhruvie So he does give his position? That made no sense. You can watch from like 21:00 onward and it’s pretty clear destiny doesn’t want to debate

@minecraft12346

4 жыл бұрын

@@carter.4023 he doesnt tho not until 20 minutes of destiny asking. Saying weather he would personally do something or not isn't him giving his position. he has to say weather that action is right or wrong. just because he wouldn't personally do it doesn't mean anything in this scenario..

@robbybobbijoe

3 жыл бұрын

@@minecraft12346 So you think he would intentionally do something that is morally wrong? When he says he would personally do something implies that it's what he think is right. Why would he need to clarify that what he would do is right? You think he would announce that what he personally does or thinks is wrong? Take hints, don't make everything more complicated which destiny did and it makes you look like a fucking idiot.

17:33 Is literally Hasan's answer. Destiny is obfuscating hard its nuts. He acts extremely paranoid but is trying to gotcha Hasan at the same time here. I guess it's like pay back gas lighting or something?

@e13kid

4 жыл бұрын

Destiny lost the plot here. Everything Hasan brought up was relevant.

@strandedpb8133

4 жыл бұрын

streamable.com/1ald1

@teenagebottlerobert

4 жыл бұрын

@@strandedpb8133 that's super helpful, thanks. 🤙

@cheqers_

4 жыл бұрын

Wow yeah you found it. That's the money. The argument is if the word itself is bolstered if you aren't a racist person and use it privately. How unshakeable are a word's origins?

@wisetrollman

4 жыл бұрын

Cope harder Hasan stans. I bet you enjoy when he says the US is just as bad as literal dictatorships

Damm Destiny you were annoying here. He did answer your question many times but you wanted a yes or no which is bs. You sound like your trying to have a gotcha moment on him. Chill out breh

@justaboi4791

4 жыл бұрын

Its his DO YOU LAH BLA PEOPEL

@jayt7178

4 жыл бұрын

LeGoatBronzo except it’s not binary. Especially as a public figure. Which is what hasan was saying. Why destiny, supposedly the king of Nuance, isn’t capable of understanding this point, is beyond me. I get why you don’t. You’re a fucking sycophant. But he stated very clearly, he wouldn’t advise it for a normal person, let alone a public figure. What’s so hard to understand about that?

@dennispraegman3144

4 жыл бұрын

I understand that it might look like a "gotcha" given that Hasan's answer was obviously "no, but if you're going to do it don't admit to it". But you have to realise that in past conversations Hasan has held different, contradictory, positions to the one he gave in this video. Which is why Destiny is trying really hard to press Hasan for a yes. The root of the issue stems from the fact that Hasan never actually thinks about most of his positions before he takes a stance. He tries to think of something that is consistent to say on the spot. Which inevitably leads to something like this, where someone interprets his laziness (and stupidity if you will) as him being dishonest. So when Destiny asks for a yes or no, and Destiny perceives Hasan as being dishonest for denying previous position, he interprets Hasan's genuine attempt at answering his question as a continuance of the dishonesty.

@dennispraegman3144

4 жыл бұрын

@@jayt7178 The question was nuanced to the point where it accounted for any caveats. So he could've said "no".

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

Hasan literally goes against his own "morals and beliefs" he will say one thing then turn around and say another thing he never has a stance on the matter he wants to be on all sides at all times just take a stance take a position so destiny can debate that position

I wish I had a rich uncle who disavows nepotism publicly, but throws a couple 100k my way when Ana Kasparian isn’t looking

24:01 was legendary XDDDD

Is destiny losing his mind?

@batuhan4347

4 жыл бұрын

T M he has a kid so i would say he is close

@halcyonXT

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

@cfgcfh6350

4 жыл бұрын

@Yassine Ouerda yikes

I used to watch Destiny all the time. But wtf happened to him? He's completely gone off the deep end

@chriscrux4556

4 жыл бұрын

Dude runs on 1’s and 0’s and forgot what it’s like to be human.

@robertleblanc4099

3 жыл бұрын

I guess I’m just confused as to why he was being so dismissive to Hasan’s points. Like if he doesn’t care what Hasan has to say then why even talk to him. I’m not saying Hasan is perfect or saying his point is perfectly made obviously not but jeez.

@SwagHorse

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertleblanc4099 cause he has heard these arguments countless times

@matsab7930

2 жыл бұрын

Hasan needs to be spoken to like this, he's a petulant child making free money off idiots like you. He literally doesn't make any valuable contributions to discourse. he does nothing but pass his faux-socialism off to his middle-class white audience so he can earn enough capitalist cash to fuck more porn stars and live in bigger houses. If you support the guy you're smooth-brained.

@degui1224

2 жыл бұрын

@@matsab7930 you can infer nothing of what i think from that comment. Do you even know what I'm talking about? Shut the fuck up. Maybe think before you lash out like a petulant child.

Its funny that Hasan finally sticks to something he said. He said he'd never speak to Destiny again and he's sticking to it.

TLDR: Hassan says its bad to say the n word in private, Hassan admits its okay to say it in private in some instances, literally agreeing with destiny. Hassan doesnt understand this

@hyperboliccancers3269

4 ай бұрын

TLDR: Hasan is a talentless idiot

The amount of people getting banned in chat for saying the n-word lmao

Oh shoot Destiny is Jesse Lee Peterson part two. Lol 😹

@olio795

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i was like wtf happend to destiny?!?!🙃

@crbgamer

3 жыл бұрын

Repeating a question because the other party is being evasive is different from what Jesse Lee Peterson does

@rexyz5875

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah cu, hassan was exposed here, his tactics are just like his uncle shenks lmao people simp for him and his views just because he is a super good looking guy ngl but if you listen to his points, sure he makes good points most of the time but he isnt helping himself here

@xaviercockerton6989

2 жыл бұрын

What’s wrong with Destiny’s premises?

"I can't debate to save my life" Yeah Hasan, we already knew that six years ago.

@utena2

Жыл бұрын

and yet destiny still lost this debate

@MisterFister612

7 ай бұрын

@@utena2 did he tho?

Destiny. I strongly feel that this must be how Sam Harris feels when, for example, confronting Cenk Yugor. I know you don't like him a lot, but this is soooo similar. Love both Sam, and you.

20:59 Destiny: you just admitted to having a public-private differentiation, you said i undid everything by admitting that. you just admitted it 23:00 Hasan: talks about a specific context that saying the n-word privately would be bad, a position destiny agreed with. Destiny: WAIT SO YOU'RE CHANGING YOUR POSITION NOW????? you misunderstand that position (something you agreed with), then hung up as he explains the misunderstanding. what a productive conversation, truly

@VonniXfiles

4 жыл бұрын

Destiny's point still stands though that Hasan is being hypocritical by saying Destiny undermines everything he stands for by admitting it even though Hasan just admitted it.

@carter.4023

4 жыл бұрын

vonnivf He says it undermines everything Destiny says because it quite literally does. Admitting you say it in private makes it public. Whether you say it or not the knowledge and outcomes from saying it publicly such as reinforcing racist beliefs of some, exist.

@kennyjoseph1144

3 жыл бұрын

Destiny argument is that there is a difference between saying it in public vs in private. That’s it. People are taking it to unrelated levels.

@melonmazing515

3 жыл бұрын

@@carter.4023 If I say I repeated a funny joke with the n word in it, instead of repeating the joke, I think it would be a much different look and appeal to a much different audience. I don't think admitting it really hurts anything.

@carter.4023

2 жыл бұрын

@re e This is kind of funny to me I guess I just disagree. I’m gonna need you to draw the connection here cause I’m clearly a bit slow. To ME at least I can get to racism from saying the n-word easier than I can get from a a girl with a non con kink to sexual assaults. Also it’s quite a bit different when Destiny says to thousands of people that he says the nword imo. It’s not fucking thought police either lmao, you don’t have a problem with people thinking about saying the nword or something, the problem I think I remember Hasan having is when YOU SAY YOU SAY the nword. You are literally admitting to doing it haha.

I didn't watch destiny for a few months and this happens like wtf destiny what happend to you

@DietrichMischke

4 жыл бұрын

Boba he’s publicly held these beliefs for a long time, wether or not you agree with them

@iLiKeWaFfLeS112233

4 жыл бұрын

Just give him some time. The beard will grow back to what it should be

@firesong7825

4 жыл бұрын

Literally nothing has changed.

@retard1657

4 жыл бұрын

@@firesong7825 the beard and dunno how to say but he seems very angry and not like he wants a proper debate I only watched the first few minutes it was to awful

@retard1657

4 жыл бұрын

@@DietrichMischke its about the way he talks/approaches the topic it changed a lot I didn't watch the "debate" long enough to notice any differences

I’m fairly certain he was explaining his answer

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

But somehow he never even got to the answer itself

@garywebb2432

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 who's was cutting him off? hmmm

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

@@garywebb2432 Who are you talking to right now? You clearly tagged me by accident.

@garywebb2432

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 typing isn't talking you slowpoke

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

@@garywebb2432 Who are you talking to?

Sometimes I feel so relaxed, that I come to this video to get stressed :)

I actually feel like hasan was being pretty transparent with his answers. Why can’t he say “I think white people can say the n word in certain context” and also add that he wouldn’t personally do it? How is that spineless? Lol

@snuzzlebumble

4 жыл бұрын

Because he only says that to Destiny. On streams with black people, he says it is never okay to say the n-word. It feels like he changes his position depending on who he is talking to.

@firerocket7343

4 жыл бұрын

And he said he did it in private all the time in surfed podcast. Yeah, Hasan is spinless.

@nateriver4951

4 жыл бұрын

He can't say that because he's trying to hold contradictory beliefs. If he believes that there are certain contexts in which it is okay for a white person to use the n word, he cannot follow that up with how the word is dehumanizing to black people and he would never use it. Either it's dehumanizing and not okay, or it's okay in certain circumstances and Hasan should have no trouble using it in those circumstances. He's agreeing that it's okay in certain contexts while maintaining that it's never okay at all.

@AvatarFanUno

4 жыл бұрын

@@snuzzlebumble How stupid are you? He actually said it to Trihex himself that in certain instances it is okay. Shocker: Trihex is black. www.twitch.tv/clip/PoorTolerantAlpacaVoteYea www.twitch.tv/clip/ArborealPhilanthropicRadicchioDxCat

@noneya6880

5 ай бұрын

if you pressed hasan in real life he'd fold immediately he's a spineless coward

When did Destiny turn into Jesse Lee Peters?

@dumbhassan

4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to his show next week. I dont know what to expect

@illegalbear7912

4 жыл бұрын

UHMAZIN!

@AntonioLopez-kw3ev

4 жыл бұрын

Destinys becoming alpha ?🤔 Conservitive ??🖒

@boxer12350

4 жыл бұрын

*Peterson

@janmatula1534

4 жыл бұрын

literally though the same thing

So according to Destiny the discussion around using the n word couldn’t possibly be nuanced in some way or requiring that you go beyond a simple “yes” or “no” answer.

@Omnipoops

2 жыл бұрын

Hasan couldn't even answer with a simple yes or no in the first place

I can't believe he posted this it's fucking embarrassing

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

This is Destiny's channel, not Hasan's.

@lcanfly12398

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 It's embarrassing for destiny

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

@@lcanfly12398 Why? He kept the conversation on track really well.

@lcanfly12398

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 He asked a bad question and wouldn't let Hassan answer it with any kind of depth

like Hasan didn't even care about him saying it or not, because Hasan knew beforehand, that Destiny would never concede. So Hasan tried to make the argument of the consequence of making it public, that Destiny says it in private. Destiny however was so hyperfocused on is it ok or not, that they just talked past each other, like every single time they talk. If Destiny wasn't debating whether every single tree is alive to make the forest, this wouldn't have been a shitshow

@lholliday198

4 жыл бұрын

You mean how Hasan doesn't believe that the N work jokes are inherently bad, and you should be able to make them, even though he doesn't?

@DamnightSC2

4 жыл бұрын

@@RequiemOfSolo exactly that, is not the point. That's just a way to "win". The point is whether making such a discussion public, is harmful. Therefore Hasan's personal take (on saying it) is wholly irrelevant.

@firesong7825

4 жыл бұрын

"So Hasan tried to make the argument of the consequence of making it public, that Destiny says it in private." Sure dude, keep fucking kidding yourself into believing that was the entirety of Hasan's claim. He had clearly said, and this is especially clear when he was discussing it with Trihex, that it was bad no matter the scenario regardless of whether or not it was made public. Destiny was also completely justified in hyperfocusing on whether it was ok or not for that exact reason because Hasan kept flip-flopping on whether or not it was okay to say it in private and was trying to get a clear answer out of him, so what a fucking surprise that he wasn't going to listen to Hasan's whole fucking spiel about completely irrelevant things.

@stormwilliams3347

4 жыл бұрын

People who start their sentence with “like” are retarded

@indatube

4 жыл бұрын

Hasan was right, but should've stuck to it's never ok to say, no exceptions, but people will anyway.

Cenk’s nephew talked a lot and got yelled at in this debate

@onseayu

4 жыл бұрын

so, about par. meh

@Tripn

3 жыл бұрын

great summary

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

2 жыл бұрын

Debating is a skill that Hassan does not possess.

@jordanmercier3616

2 жыл бұрын

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor lol both of them were embarrassing honestly. Destiny is trying to make it black and white, Hassan is just generally stupid.

This is not a good look for destiny my god “bro I say the n word all the time so what”

@lordlinkthegreat

4 жыл бұрын

said that with his chest MAAAAN LMAO

@joshuaschoenman8212

3 жыл бұрын

So what tho. It’s a word. I’ve been called whit by people cause I’m Jewish and I laugh it off. I don’t really know how many people get offended by that shit

@HummusWorld

3 жыл бұрын

Taysco big difference between saying white and dropping a hard r on the n bomb. Or maybe I’m just stupid.

@doncat1744

3 жыл бұрын

@@HummusWorld yeah maybe

@ToughDuff

3 жыл бұрын

@@HummusWorld Maybe

He literally answered the question the first time

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

What was the answer?

@jimgalvan4769

Жыл бұрын

What was the answer? x2

@Ntmonmegng

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 That it’s okay to say in a private setting.

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

@@Ntmonmegng Really? He gave the opposite answer in this video.

@BartholomewGilbertson

9 ай бұрын

What was the answer? x3

Destiny: “Do you believe it’s ok to say the N word in private” Hasan: “No...” Destiny 5 minutes later: “ok, so do you think it’s ok to say the N word n private” Hasan: “um, no...” Also destiny, now 1 minute later: “I’ve asked you twice now and I still don’t know if you believe it’s ok or not” Wait, what??

@jamesoleary2476

4 жыл бұрын

He litteraly changed his answer...

@exiledfrommyself

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. He said no and then he continually asked him the same question.

@Onthebrink5

4 жыл бұрын

@@exiledfrommyself You have terrible reading comprehension. You people want free shit so badly that you will take people's freedom of speech.

@broobit7540

3 жыл бұрын

Because Hasan justified the answer by pointing to hypothetical future consequences. Destiny asked, what if that future never came to pass, is it still bad?

@Subutaii

3 жыл бұрын

B Roobit YES, that’s why his position remained at NO. But since that’s an illogical view in a social landscape why would anybody want to know your stance on something if “lol there’s no outcomes or consequences”. Like, bro, we take stances based on the OUTCOMES of that stance or decision or ideology. That’s how you make an educated decision or opinion on a topic.

ANd Destiny totally misrepresented the nuance (which really wasn't that deep) of Hasan's distinction between saying something in private vs. public.

@akburst510

4 жыл бұрын

Destiny learned from the best, Jesse Lee Peterson.

@monkeyboy5442

4 жыл бұрын

wait, what? the discussion wasnt about private vs public, it was about whether the n word is okay sometimes in private, destiny agrees to that nuance you mentioned.

@Onthebrink5

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure you misrepresented it so that you could post an original comment and seek that sweet sweet confirmation from other like minded individuals. Its almost as if the farther left/right that you venture you end up in a populist, isolationist authoritarian nightmare.

Hasan: *Answers question like five times* Destiny: “ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!1!” Okay take it easy.

@SomersBugtopia

3 жыл бұрын

He wasn't answering anything, he was retreating.

@chanceytheyoungin

3 жыл бұрын

@@SomersBugtopia he literally gave a nuanced answer with context. Destiny wanted a yes or no, so he could pull a “gotcha” and then lost his mind when Hasan didn’t respond the way he wanted him to.

@SomersBugtopia

3 жыл бұрын

@@chanceytheyoungin The "nuanced answers" everytime were dodging what he was actually asking because Hasan was trying to save face. In pretty much every circumstance he was weasel wording.

@crbgamer

3 жыл бұрын

What was his answer to the question?

@BoltBandicoot

3 жыл бұрын

@@crbgamer Come on dude, he clearly answered "No" and gave an explanation as to why he has that stance on the topic. I like Destiny, but I do agree that he was being a little hot headed during this debate.

Nah he really did answer it so many times destiny is trying to squeeze shit out😂

now you know how Jesse felt when he asked you if you love blah pepul

@Luka-bx7bn

3 жыл бұрын

Destiny = JLP Both braindead when it comes to race.

@maka8551

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luka-bx7bn average far lefty

7:15 imagine calling the entire planet, all 8 billion people, the n-word from ISS lol.

@Hollow_Cause_Dont_Matter

4 жыл бұрын

@Hungry Estonian kek

DUDE HE ANWSERED HIS QUESTION EVERY TIME HE ASKED IT

@SilverAllRounder

3 жыл бұрын

Well there were times where he kinda danced around it but he answered it atleast once during this debate indeed.

@crbgamer

3 жыл бұрын

What was his answer to the question?

@neek0s744

3 жыл бұрын

@Kushtopha yes he did he would say no, but or no, because

@neek0s744

3 жыл бұрын

@@widukindgaladh949 No he’s not lol

@hamsterman5305

2 жыл бұрын

He said no I don’t agree then he kept asking him the same question the whole time😂 and he kept having examples

Yeah there's too much history between the two of them, there's no way they could have a level-headed discussion

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

This was when the bad blood started. There really wasn't any history here.

@garywebb2432

Жыл бұрын

​@@spacetoast7783 nope the bad blood started before this lmaoo

@spacetoast7783

Жыл бұрын

@@garywebb2432 ok kiddo

@garywebb2432

Жыл бұрын

@@spacetoast7783 thanks

@Jay-uv5xg

9 ай бұрын

@@garywebb2432do u like that

They are so cute when they argue.

I feel like it would be really easy to argue against destiny on this if you bring up the concept of normalization. I havnt seen anyone bring it up and have only seen destiny acknowledge normalization.

@kuroichan101

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I feel like this is the main reason why many black people dont want others to say the word at all.

@indatube

4 жыл бұрын

@@kuroichan101 i feel like it is white music execs pushing the word and normalizing it, getting it in music and culture and lexicon and then becoming problematic when someone wants to quote or laugh or sing along. Why would you want to register it or associate it with black people on sight?

@neomcdoom

3 жыл бұрын

kuroichan101 I dont give a fuck

@DeedooElNinoPolla

2 жыл бұрын

@@neomcdoom very good take anymore 🎤

Bruh this is the only Destiny video I've seen but he seems crazy in this, he's projecting so hard onto Hasan

@ToughDuff

3 жыл бұрын

Hasan is a snake. It was uncomfortable watching him try to weasel out of agreeing with Destiny's position. "Well uhhh I don't say it! Well uhhh I think it's cringey!"

@crab6084

3 жыл бұрын

why do i feel like ur lying

@DeineMudda313313

3 жыл бұрын

What is he projecting?

@BBT1Brage

3 жыл бұрын

He is extremely frustrated that he is just trying to vulture signal. Its obvious Destiny is not racist or prompts racism in his private conversations. He just saying that you can make off cooler jokes.. I know EMTs that make jokes about 9/11 and shit. EMTs have really dark humor in order to help them cope with the shit they see...

@SaborSalek

3 жыл бұрын

The discussion was about the use of the n-word in private when you quote a joke (for example one from Dave Chappell) that uses the n-word. Hasan seems to agree that the use of it in such a specific situation *seems* to be ok because he doesn’t feel like there’s an argument against it. But he never commits to that position and instead just vulture signals to his audience that Destiny uses the n-word in private „all the Time“. This whole arc was a total shitshow.

looking back on this, their friendship ending, especially over THIS nonsense has been nothing but negative to the online left space

I honestly think context is everything. The body language, tone, frequency, and most importantly, intent, of how it is said I think is more important than the question of public or private.

@thenachoandthecheeze

2 жыл бұрын

literally destiny was being such a fucking hack here

@akallstar5

Жыл бұрын

You can explain those things in words. Hassan legit wouldn’t answer the required questions in order to move onto those contextual scenarios until like 12 minutes in. And even then it was like pulling teeth and he mostly pivoted.

@whopperlover1772

Жыл бұрын

@@akallstar5 because destiny was looking for a yes or no answer lol

@akallstar5

Жыл бұрын

@@whopperlover1772 Because Hassan has ZERO PRINCIPLES on when it is and isn’t ok to say the n word. He was contradicting himself and side stepping constantly. It’s all a manipulation to avoid having a specific position and hold favor with his fans without looking like a hypocrite.

I feel like I am watching a korean drama, this is so much about their personal drama than about the use of the n-word in private. This is top destiny content right here.

I don't even like destiny, I just like laughing at how dumb Hasan is lol

@ethelberht4750

2 жыл бұрын

word

@ogi5699

2 жыл бұрын

He’s smarter than you, for sure. Hasan is objectively not a dumb guy. However, he’s not the best at expressing himself, in debates particularly. I think he might be mildly dyslexic.

I get destiny’s point but to just try and make that a clear cut statement and to pretend there isn’t nuance to a statement like that is absolutely wild. Destiny is literally going for a gotcha moment that he was trying to not fall into with Hassan.

@classifiedinformation960

Жыл бұрын

He can’t awnser a clear question though it’s for real maybe he is just to scared because he is a public figure but he is literally like Justin treudau prime minister of Canada like he just deverts every question can’t awnser a yes and no question so u can never know where they actually stand on stuff they just anwnser a yes or no question with a paragraph

@bradfordross2088

Жыл бұрын

@@classifiedinformation960he did tho. He answered it several times. This is exactly why debates are so lost now. What they teach you in philosophy is the goal is to not win the debate but to gather a further understanding of both sides

@Nixcb2

Жыл бұрын

@@bradfordross2088 For real, he really did answer it...just not in this blanket statement way that Destiny was holding onto so desperately. Any debate that you start to whine, speak over the other person, and get emotional to the point that your voice cracks you have lost the ethos of your argument. Something that is hard to recover from.

@smasherblues5322

9 ай бұрын

Who tf simps for hasan? Dude flip flopped, allegedly, in the first few n-word moments.

@bornepayne242

9 ай бұрын

I dont think making a clear cut statement is very hard at all. But lets pretend that it is. The HONEST way to react to Destiny's question would be to think about it for a moment, and then when you realize that you aren't sure how to make a clear prescription, to ADMIT THAT. For example "Hmm, I'm actually not sure. I know there are acceptable ways and unacceptable ways to use the N-word in private, but I'm not sure how to clearly differentiate them". The DISHONEST way to react, is to pivot from point to point to point and give random examples that don't answer the question. In truth, Hasan was just terrified of giving the wrong answer. That's it. Hasan is NEVER interested in giving HIS opinion on a controversial issue, he is SOLELY focused on giving the RIGHT answer. (the answer that will cause the least amount of blowback for him in his lefty/progressive/tanky communities. And if he doesnt know the right answer, he will dance and dance until the questioner gives up. You can view almost ANY Hasan conversation through this lens, and will explain 95% of his dialogue.

This debate in a nutshell: Destiny: *"If a tree falls in the forest and says the N-WORD. Does it make a sound?"* Hasan: *"I'd rather the tree doesn't fall"* Destiny: *"JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!! HASAN"*

@FabulousJejmaze

4 жыл бұрын

Amazin’!

@jmanakajosh9354

4 жыл бұрын

Totally uses conversation

@geekaleek

4 жыл бұрын

@@jmanakajosh9354 Destiny was really bad in this one. Hasan was answering his question.

@jmanakajosh9354

4 жыл бұрын

@@geekaleek I think Hasan's argument is sound but I sorta side with Destiny on this though, if he wants to in the right context he can use any version of the N-word is he wants and no one is justified in their anger

@anteaterking6728

4 жыл бұрын

@@geekaleek No he wasn't dawg, watch it again homie.

Destiny came out of prison with a much harder and Angrier "R" than he had when he went in in this debate.

Destiny: bruh lemme say the n word Hasan: nah

@ethanstapley7018

3 жыл бұрын

More like allow me to say it without claiming it is so damaging without logic

@abigdyl

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethanstapley7018 nah

@ethanstapley7018

2 жыл бұрын

@@abigdyl It's a bit confusing what I said but you just saying nah is basically as much effort Hasan put into giving good reasons for why it is morally wrong.

@abigdyl

2 жыл бұрын

@@ethanstapley7018 nah fam regardless of how you justify it in your own head, because morals are kind of subjective, the overall contextual history of the N word is fucked up. Therefore saying it in private and even if the way you use it is completely unrelated to original context of the word, in my opinion, is morally wrong. But like you do you, right? To each their own. Say the N word in private if you want? lol

@ethanstapley7018

2 жыл бұрын

@@abigdyl Wow you keep having these similarities to Hasan. You have an opinion without providing any good reasons for why a person should be persuaded into having that opinion, which is the whole point of a discussion/debate. And if you think you should be able to have an opinion without having to defend it, don't morally reprimand someone publicly like I think Hasan did, or don't enter a conversation cockily like you sort of did.

Watching 2 former kings use an argument about the n word as proxy for their bitter feelings towards each other ;-;. powerful

Yeah, uh, Destiny, he answered your question, just not the way you wanted him to. He qualified his "no" with instances in which it would apply but you didn't like that. You wanted him to say no without qualification, which surprises me, given how good you usually are at nuanced discussion. If someone asks you "Is it okay to kill someone," you would not say "no" because if someone is hurting someone you love in front of you, if you have to, you will do so in self-defense. If you answered that, the other person would be wrong to accuse you of dodging the question due to equivocation, since there are instances when it would be justified, and thus you wouldn't be able to commit to a simple yes or no answer, the way you want this guy to commit to. It is either disingenuous or (which I highly doubt) uncharacteristically obtuse on your part to demand that he does. I suspect it's the former because before he provided his nuanced answer to your question you prefaced your listening to it with "Okay, but I'm just going to ask you the same answer after you finish," which you did, in order to save face and follow through on asking the same question again. I've been listening to your debates for some time now and you really dropped the ball on this one.

@nateriver4951

4 жыл бұрын

That's a false equivalence. The question Destiny asked was already nuanced enough and only required a straightforward response. Unlike your example of "Is it okay to kill someone?" Destiny asked "Is there any context where killing someone is okay?" This phrasing of the question accounts for self-defense or hurting someone you love. Hasan agrees that there are instances where it is okay, but then follows it up by clarifying that it isn't okay. The reason for the shit-show is Hasan trying to hold contradictory positions. I'll use your example. D: "Is there any context where killing someone would be okay such as self defense? " H: "Yeah I can agree that killing someone in self-defense would be okay" D: "So we agree?" H: "Killing people isn't an okay thing to do because it takes someone's life away from them." D: "You JUST said that it's okay in the context of self-defense. So is it okay in the context of self-defense or not?" H: "I wouldn't kill anyone in self-defense because I don't think it's okay." Rinse and repeat.

@brettrobbins

4 жыл бұрын

​@@nateriver4951 "D: "Is there any context where killing someone would be okay such as self defense? " is a false equivalence for "D: "Is it okay to use racist slurs in private as long as you don't publicize it?" because the latter is not particularized enough; a more accurate equivalence to your refinement of my more general original scenario would be "D: Is it okay to use anti-black slurs in private as long as you don't publicize it?"

@brettrobbins

4 жыл бұрын

This is a fairly decent example of the sort of legitimate equivocation I'm speaking about: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d5p1uaOFk67MYto.html

27:15 “It doesn’t matter what your intent is when you’re actively harming another person” Destiny... doesn’t that entirely ruin your argument about using the n word in private? Your intent might have just been to make jokes with friends but trihex was hurt when he found out. Would it not be fair to say that you would be in the wrong if the intent doesn’t matter?

@DWQMusic

4 жыл бұрын

Well the context is using the word outside of the ears of people who would find it offensive, in private.

Destiny turns into a child when he know’s he wrong

Destiny didnt own hasan hasan meant that theres some contexts but he meant that destiny crosses a line in his private usage

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

There is context to everything in life especially words intent and context matters the word "nigga" isn't bad just bc it's bad its only bad when used in a derogatory way also it wouldn't matter who says it either that's just stupid identity politics as long as it's used in a non derogatory way Its fine that's the context in which it's fine Hasan just assumes that people only use it in derogatory contexts which people don't 99% of the time it's used in a non derogatory context it's harder to make a case for the hard R n word since it's only used in derogatory fashion lmao but "nigga" is fine as long as it is in a non derogatory context

this season needs subtitles on their episodes

@brandonden795

4 жыл бұрын

The dub is better

Little did I know that Jesse Lee Peterson was asking Destiny a simple question "Do you love black people?" to figure out his beliefs but couldn't get a straight answer and so reasonably got frustrated. Huh. Really makes you think.

Destiny’s thought process is so incredibly rigid

@Luka-bx7bn

3 жыл бұрын

Like a true conservative. Rigid when it suits him and his mistakes, flexible when it doesn't.

@1es782

3 жыл бұрын

@@Luka-bx7bn if you think destiny is Conservative you are so far left you have exited the political spectrum

@Luka-bx7bn

3 жыл бұрын

@@1es782 If you think I'm far left, you are so far from knowing anything about politics you've exited the political spectrum right into the autism spectrum.

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luka-bx7bn destiny isn't far right u idiot do u see him saying trans women are men lmao he is pretty left leaning calling left leaning people conservative really hurts the left

@TJ-kj9ki

2 жыл бұрын

@@Luka-bx7bn why tf would you call Destiny a conservative and when someone misrepresents your positioning, you get all pissy about it?

Dude having a nuanced position that takes context into consideration IS a position. When you say "hold to a position" what you really mean is "have a stance that is easy for my baby brain to digest and can be stated in a single sentence and is universally applicable"

@jasonoftheworld6996

2 жыл бұрын

Lol to you and your 12 likers

Damn, destiny got debated in this debate.

Destiny learned a lot from JLP I see.

@brandonden795

4 жыл бұрын

amazin

@firesong7825

4 жыл бұрын

Destiny's question was sufficiently specific as to allow a yes or no answer without any other implications, JLP's was not. If you can't see the difference, you're just trying to delude yourself into believing anything such that you can make Destiny out to somehow be the bad guy here.

@baldawen

4 жыл бұрын

@@firesong7825 you delude yourself into thinking that my comment was something else than a joke. I don't care about either of them and their highschool drama. And this discussion had enough similarities to JLP to make it.

@firesong7825

4 жыл бұрын

@@baldawen Sure, that's fine; then my comment just applies to everyone liking your comment who isn't viewing it just as a joke.

@JebeckyGranjola

4 жыл бұрын

Not really. These two were arguing entirely different points. Asking yes or no questions in an honest way is only ever useful if it would clear up a point that you otherwise understand. If it is the basis for the entire point than it provides nothing because it lacks any explanation. Dishonestly its just a "gotcha" to try to make someone seem to say someonething they dont mean. Do you love black people? No then youre racist. If you said yes than you have to agree with whatever JLP says or else you lied before. Hasans point was that admiting you say the n word makes you look bad, even if its actually ok to say it. Destiny claims he was just talking about jokes, which hasan never had a problem with it was publicly defending saying it that was his problem. You dont have to agree with that, but that is what the debate shouldve been about and Destiny called that pivoting and running away, that is either dishonest or he just did not understand at all. Destiny just wanted to get hasan to admit he says it or that its ok to say it so he looks bad, and then hangs up on him. That is not honest.

Both of you are both so unbelievably cringe worthy

This is so embarrassing for you smh. Y’all wanna say the n word so bad for what? Bless for Hasan I wouldn’t have had the patience.

@Spooky.Sashimi

3 жыл бұрын

@Naters Imagine being so disrespectful and ignorant that you comment this 4 months later because your little fucking pea brain thinks you made a good comeback. 😂

@Spooky.Sashimi

3 жыл бұрын

@munchkin Thanks for letting me know. I think it was still a good conversation to have.

Destiny foaming out the mouth at 18 minutes 😂

@melonmazing515

3 жыл бұрын

He's laughing the whole time....

@cheesuschrist5085

2 жыл бұрын

I was foaming out the mouth too from Hasan not taking a stance

Destiny - I know you've been doing some introspection on whether you've been debating dirty and I'm glad. I generally think you're pretty good about this and I'm sure it's hard because a lot of people online don't work nearly as hard at this. During this whole controversy though, I think you've fallen short. Here's some examples; 2:36 chat lied to Hasan to get him on stream. Tho DnD was later that night, it wasn't for hours. Destiny's response @ 2:54 "oh don't, well actually so I'm curious firstly, so do you think it's okay to say it..." If Hasan was a smart boy he might have been able to get out of that and said yeah I'll come back but we all know, Destiny especially, that Hasan isn't the smartest crayon in the crayon box. 11:01 Hasan is literally about to answer the question and then Destiny gets triggered about how he's not. Destiny's question was in what context would it be acceptable to use the n word in private for a joke- Hasan said it would be ok in the context Destiny himself explained the night before on stream with Hasan and the whole debacle. While Hasan is stupid, DESTINY HIMSELF used those as examples when asked the exact same question. Is that a formulaic answer? No, but we're talking about humor - what's a funny joke? What makes a joke funny? Like you can say "hey there's a funny joke" you can say "hey here's a joke that's not offensive and is helped by the use of the n word" but you can't say "all knock knock jokes are funny" or that they all aren't, it's based on the individual joke; Destiny is being a pedantic fuck trying to pin a stupid grifter down on minutia instead of actually grappling with the over arching steelmanned version of the argument. 16:04 Hasan says they agree it's fine to use the language when no one around is going to get offended Hasan: "Listen, I agree all the way up to this point." Destiny (interrupting) "Oh, then we're done, then we agree on everything." Hasan: "But as soon as you say 'I say the N word, Destiny (interrupting): oh ok, then yeah, that's a separate argument though, we're not talking about that. Yes. Yes you are talking about that. You both agreed on the previous point. Destiny is trying to Motte and Bailey the fuck out of him there. There's more obviously, that's less than half the video but come on man, if you can't even take on fucking Hasan in a fair fight on this issue, it might be time either to reevaluate your view or at the very least get better arguments for it...

@Starcanum-

4 жыл бұрын

I can kinda agree with the 11:01 one, but 16:04 feels like it's very easy to understand his position. While they both "agreed" on the previous point, Destiny's interest in this conversation wasn't just knowing what position Hasan holds, but in the case he agrees there's possible context for such humour to be acceptable, he wanted Hasan to say it as explicitly and unambiguously as possible, so that later on when Hasan tries to change his narrative again, Destiny can pin him down on it. If that's something they really agree on, there's no reason for him to keep jumping to separate arguments before saying something along the lines of "yes, I agree that it can be ok for a person to responsibly engage in edgy humour that uses n-word -er version". 16:30 he even says he'll talk about this but he needs the clear answer.

@ninety1nethagawd

4 жыл бұрын

this isnt a debate

@frogturtle

4 жыл бұрын

I'm just some random guy but I have to give props for this post. most people seem to be overly biased in favor or against him but I thought these criticisms seemed reasonable. I agree that all signs point to reassessing and/or bolstering his position at this point.

@TheTheThe_

4 жыл бұрын

@Nick Bacigalupo Non-sequitur. What does the validity of your arguments have to do with how long it takes to debunk them?

@user-jd5xo4dd2n

4 жыл бұрын

@Nick Bacigalupo is right. Next time I try to explain why I disagree with someone it will be stated in "orange man bad" format to ensure small brained bois can understand.

"In space no one can hear you say the N-Word" - Hasan Piker

“Talk about what I want and only what I want. Respond in yes and no answers only. Ah yes got you.” -Destiny

The black hole of drama known as Destiny has now doubled in size.

10:47 Nonono < Nononono

@darrenr90

4 жыл бұрын

I read this right when it happened. Amazin'

@BadMoonLLC

3 жыл бұрын

I don't even know how to say no that many times that fast

Destiny did the equivalent of Ben Shapiro saying "Do you think we should kill babies?" when talking about abortion, and when you inevitably say "no" he is like okay we agree that abortion is bad.

@seesharper8913

9 ай бұрын

That's not at all the same. Ben Shapiro has a different definition of 'baby' than the person saying "no." He would be conflating definitions for rhetorical power. Destiny quite literally gave Hasan the direct example of what types of jokes to which he was referring. There could be no conflated definition here. Destiny: I think retelling a black comedians N word jokes in private are okay. Hasan: I think a retelling of a specific [racist] joke is acceptable (12:19) Destiny: So we agree? You: OMFG DESTINY IS TWISTING HIS WORDS AND OBFUSTICATING

Yeah he gave you your argument, but he was trying to add to your argument, but you wouldn’t let him.