21 years old and given the title " Master of Cannon". Hells yeah.

Thanks Ian. Very interesting, I am Turkish and an officer also. This Cochran is unfortunately not a known figure today. His legacy wasn't that persistent. However by looking at the possibilities, lets say if he was given rank of "master of the cannon" or "Topcubasi", then he is possibly one of the last western personas to be honoured in this way. The previous holder of the rank was the Hungarian cannon maker Orban, (the one who made the great bombards for the empire for the siege of Constantinople 1453) Ottomans before 1800 were following a strict self sustainability code in terms of design and materials. After the Greek independence the reform pursuit had never ended. The district Cochran put his workshop and his effort is today known as Tophane (literally, The Arsenal). So this story ought to be happened during 1830s which was the last reigning years of Mahmud II and himself was the guy who written off all janissary corps for the sake of reforms. He was the Meiji emperor equivalent of Japan for Ottoman Turkey. So it is not at all surprising that Cochran was working under someone very enthusiastic about military innovation. And of course bags of gold had been the sultan's traditional way to show gratitude since 1300s. Also lets say Ottoman measurements in weight or height or range must have been completely alien to John Cochran, and industrial techniques were very different, steelmaking was more or less the same since byzantine times, standardization or replaceable parts was very new idea back then. I can understand his frustration about workers and conditions. I went through some research about his possible surviving examples of his cannons. Even though records doesn't show such a name (or I can't read ottoman script) It is still pretty possible to find one such example in military museum of Harbiye district in Istanbul. Even though maker names were never etched or inscribed on military hardware in Ottoman empire, It is possible to find things like that through semi distinctive royal monoghram (tughra) on the cannons. Those things were to be added or riveted to the existing military samples just behind the fuse hole. New sultans also did not touch the previous ruler's tughras so that narrows it down. You can find samples of last 300 years of artillery in the garden of military museum (unless Cochran guns were used in ships, which makes a survival less likely) . You can even have a virtual tour in the garden here : www.askerimuze.tsk.tr/

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+lordanglachel Thanks for the information! I got the account of the story from a series of reports published in the US, dating back to the 1850s. I suppose it is possible that they were fabricated or embellished - which would be unfortunate; it's a great story. If I have an opportunity to visit Turkey it would be interesting to try tracking down the event from the Turkish side.

"Hand-building a cannon for the Sultanate of Turkey." Now there's a few words that have probably not been used together in a sentence often.

@HurdalkCini

8 жыл бұрын

+OneTallOrder like "kingdom of america" or "republic of ottoman"

@connorsmith1005

5 жыл бұрын

Only here baby

@Hedgehogking5

5 жыл бұрын

Or put on a resume.

@maelstrom8897

4 жыл бұрын

Clearly you have never heard of my main man Urban

@bibfortuna298

3 жыл бұрын

@@maelstrom8897 lol I was just reading about that guy yesterday. Shame Constantine couldn't afford him.

LITERAL BAG OF GOLD

@adamcochran1309

6 жыл бұрын

Royalties tend to have them somewhere (shifts eyes)

That would fit into one bizarre looking holster.

@jackarmstrong8790

7 жыл бұрын

W1se0ldg33zer aYou would need to remove the turret

@killersalmon4359

7 жыл бұрын

Concealed carry would probably be incredibly uncomfortable...possibly painful...

@otisreading7559

4 жыл бұрын

@@killersalmon4359 nope,wear it in your pants with the grip sticking out like a little hardon

@foxy126pl6

Жыл бұрын

@@killersalmon4359 you could just put it in a way so that the grip is sticking outside

The idea of John Cochran creating those cannons and firing them all day for the sultan and receiving the bag of gold is really a very interesting story and probably would make a cool movie :)

@grant8171

8 жыл бұрын

It's almost too cool to be true

@CocoTehQuila

8 жыл бұрын

+traderjoes I don't think Disney would do a movie about guns though :D

@Traderjoe

8 жыл бұрын

Coco I agree, I was thinking more of a non Disney movie though :)

@lastflightofosiris

7 жыл бұрын

Ottomans staying out of tech business while Europeans were enlightening themselves lead to many bizarre and interesting stories like this one. Adding that it's a complete alien culture to the European one, makes them a lot more weird to westerners. Search for Marco Paşa for example.

@Kirbivski

6 жыл бұрын

Call it "Master of Cannons"

Love the steampunky craziness that simply abounds in the look of turret weapons. Really enjoyed this video, cheers for the background story Ian!

@Primarch359

8 жыл бұрын

+Blueswailer I thought the bergman and swedish trails pistols looked even more steampunky to my eyes.

@Blueswailer

8 жыл бұрын

Primarch359 Well, those weapons would certainly fit the bill too. Personally I just like the large exposed rotary magazine of turret weapons since steampunk evokes ideas of all sorts of cogwheels, cranks, ratchets and such.

Dr stone sends his regards

Now that is cool

@QarthCEO

8 жыл бұрын

Nah, bruh, *YOU* are cool.

@warpatato

8 жыл бұрын

+Xaro Xhoan Daxos *shouts from a distance* gaaaaaaay

@QarthCEO

8 жыл бұрын

warpatato And?

@mikeblair2594

8 жыл бұрын

+warpatato yup,sounds like your cruzin for a date.

"Give up. We have you surrounded" "Not so fast!"

I recently came a cross Cochran Turret Revolver #49. It has a nice confirmed history of spending more than 100 years at Tidö Slott Rustkammare (Tidö Castle Armory) before being sold to a Swedish collector in 1970 who owned it since. It is the best condition I have seen with a Cochran Revolver and it is equipped with engraved german silver grips just like the one you have in the video

Somebody needs to put this next to a DP-28 and take a picture.

@CarlTomasAlley

8 жыл бұрын

+dogboy0912 ... it reminds me of first StarTrek series "Enterprise" ...

@TeamFortressFag

8 жыл бұрын

"Don't talk to me or my son ever again"

@ragnarokstravius2074

7 жыл бұрын

Mister Fanboy, you deserve a cookie for such a joke.

That pseudo-rebounding hammer and the good sight picture really impressed me. Cochran was a bright kid!

So, theoretically, you could carry multiple extra, pre-loaded, cylinders, and swap them out like magazines in a more modern weapon?

@livingcorpse5664

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, technically we could have done the same with the normal cylinders for revolvers. Take em out and put a preloaded one in like a magazine swap. In fact you can with the Scavenger 6 and the Six12.

i love the side stories, when theyre relevant and when theyre not its just so interesting. I love this channel :) and i really like the additive of how much it sold for in the description

Great story Ian. It's nice to here some colorful history as well as seeing a gun that I have never seen.

These stories are the reason, I watch Forgotten Weapons

I enjoyed that story very much :D thank you!

thanx Ian.after the last turret revolver i really wanted to see a cochran.also,thanx for the history.that's what keeps me coming back for more and more.

The chain firing turret revolver sounds like the makings of memorable set piece in a spaghetti western. Another cracking story to go with yet another fascinating lot.

It must be frustrating not to be able to bring all those incredible guns home. I wish there was a channel like your about early electrical and electronic apparatus. Thank you for making those videos.

Very cool gun, mechanism and story as well as the commentary and video. All around great job.

What a great biographical anecdote about Cochran's life. I would love to see a movie about him.

This is mindblowing! I never knew such a odd weapon existed!! thank you for your videos! they are amazing!

This is one of the most badass creator stories I heard actually, thank you ! For those who don't know, the napoleon 12 pounder smooth bore gun is what was most used in the civil war for smoothbore by a huge margin, it's a big gun, and making a turret one is no small feat, especially if you have to build it yourself and have that kind of longevity ! It's always when you think you heard it all that you learn about a new cooler yet story !

Great vid. Great story. Fascinating design. Enjoyed this vid significantly.

I think the story of the inventor made this one of my favorite videos of yours .

You have never once let me down in my pursuit for weird, cursed and interesting guns.

I love these videos Ian, and I'm very curious how you learn so many interesting tidbits about each weapon.

Fascinating story! Wonderfully told. Thanks Ian. 😎

Very interesting. It definitely added to the vid talking about the Turkey story. Definitely on my list of favorites.

what an oddly graceful looking pistol, thanks for the video!

I want to see one of those Cochran Turkish cannons, do any of them still exist? Or even illustrations of them?

@Candesce

8 жыл бұрын

It almost sounded too much like a fairy tale to me. I'm skeptical about how much historicity there really is to that story.

@MikaelLevoniemi

8 жыл бұрын

+Pyxel Dust history is usually more colorful than the best fairytales. bag of gold sounds plausible. sultan could not offend by offering too paltry sum or he would risk losing face.

@Candesce

8 жыл бұрын

Mikael Levoniemi "history" is also full of propaganda, tall tales, and myths. I haven't actually looked into this one at all but I'd like to see some official Turkish records.

@egeo.9645

7 жыл бұрын

I have not seen any here in Turkey buuut to not leave you gun-less, we Turks used this gun www.guns.com/2013/01/10/giant-gassers-the-bfr-of-1870/

@dndboy13

7 жыл бұрын

i also found an article from The London and Paris Observer that relates the story in the video books.google.com/books?id=hjVNAAAAcAAJ&lpg=PA543&ots=R4aZQcybaM&dq=Cochran%20Turkish%20cannons&pg=PA543#v=onepage&q=Cochran%20Turkish%20cannons&f=false aside form that i cant find a full sized model or anything

I don’t know if he realizes but pretty much ALL the stories he tells are really cool! That’s why we are here! I am really not a firearm person, but I absolutely LOVE his channel it’s so interesting and loaded with history!

good videos. thank you for making them.

When I was perusing the catalogue this one jumped out. As a machinist this has a certain something. I love the handle.

Forgotten Weapons-the channel i give a like before im watching!!!keep on Ian.great channel!

Great video! Loved the story

If the glove fits.. wait, wrong Cochran.

I’ve been waiting for this one

This may not be the coolest weapon you have ever showcased Ian but it sure is the coolest story you have ever shared from history!

What a beautiful work of functional art.

Very cool story & breakdown thanks !

I had never seen a gun like that before. Thanks for sharing. :)

Thank you, Ian!

Man what a cool story and gun.

The term Nickle Silver referes to group of nickle alloys that look like silver. This 'German Silver' is probably a specific alloy in that same family of alloys. You an fins this stamped on 'silverware' produced in the late 18th century. Sterling Silver is an actual silver alloy that was used for jewelry, silverware, and Brittish coinage, as in the Pound Sterling.

@baarum

2 жыл бұрын

What you guys call "German Silver" we germans call "New Silver" [Neusilber], and yes, is a Cooper-Nickel- Zinc alloy possibly with some other metals in lower %s

That... story... is... amazing... God I hope I'm not too drunk right now, and able to remember it! A young fellow in his EARLY EARLY 20s goes to England and another country to sell a design, didn't get their attention but did get the attention of a Turkish fellow who was there. Goes to Turkey, meets the Sultan, is asked to make full sized cannons. Makes 2 1 pounders and 1 12 pounder, it went VERY well, and upon being asked what he wished for the work in payment, in knowing how royalty liked being treated,said something of the effect that "But to serve was suffice enough", and went about his humble way (humble... very rare trait in Americans, it seems). He's brought back, given a literal BAG FULL of gold, and takes it home to continue working on firearms. Perhaps my drunkenness affects my judgement, but I still find that to be an incredibly interesting story, and I'm horribly jealous. I sketched my first rough design of a firearm probably when I was 22, and here's a 21 year old over 150 years ago meeting rulers of nations and designing firearms basically ON HIS OWN. Damn... I WANT TO MAKE A FIREARM! I want to make my own SMGs, pistols, assault rifles, battle rifles, maybe even LMGs! I WANT! I WAAAAAANT! This Cochran guy is a lucky and obviously talented bugger... good man. I would love to talk to the man after my end comes, if the books are true and I get the chance. The stories he'd have... no doubt remarkable.

@junichiroyamashita

5 жыл бұрын

Hope you decide to follow your drunk dream

Awesome story about the bag of gold!! Just watched your new video and it lead me to this video lol

I can't get enough of these crazy gun designs! Like always, excellent video. It only take a couple of chainfires to kill a lot of your own people!

Ya... I can see how that would make one slightly uncomfortable. I love the story and history. Excellent as usual, thanks Ian.

A possible advantage of this gun would to have multiple pre-loaded cylinders, and interchange them whenever you need to reload.

@livingcorpse5664

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, technically we could have done the same with the normal cylinders for revolvers. Take em out and put a preloaded one in like a magazine swap. In fact you can with the Scavenger 6 and the Six12.

@buckfizzard291

Жыл бұрын

@@livingcorpse5664 my h&r can do that but I only have one cylinder

He knows so much about all of this stuff, and most of it is NOT on the internet. That's really the impressive thing for me ...

to be honest that gun is by far the most badass thing i've ever seen

Interesting firearm. Funny enough John Cochran was a ancestor of mine and it's nice to see a item invented by him. Thanks Ian

brilliant story, if it wasnt for forgotton weapons that would not be known today. Greetings from great britain.

Wow, a brilliant if not altogether practical firearm. Mr. Cochran was obviously a very smart fellow.

A *literal bag of gold.*

apologies for not reading all the comments first, but the brass nipple 7 spoke bar rubbing on the the brass shield would prevent iron on iron sparks

fascinating story ian

Thanks to Battlefield 1 I found this channel, what an amazing channel it is. Keep it up chaps.

Really cool gun!!!

If this had been more popular, it would have been easy to tinker some sort of hafl-index notch to misallign the hammer from any loaded cap allowing it to be carried fully loaded, either by changing the hammer to hold on an safety notch, having the indexing lever a hole for half-index or have a totally differen disengageable spring and lever for new position for half-index to hold on to.

That is a crazy story.

very good video ! A video about the making of guns at the time, when electricity wasn't commonly available would be so awesome. I have no clue how the manufacturers got that done.

You should start a new stories of the gun show ;') your stories are the best

This looks like something straight out of the steampunk world

that story though... like damn that's cool

Sometimes the wrong turns tell us a lot about human ingenuity and tenacity, something for which America rightly congratulates itself on being an unparalleled channel

Secondhand Lions is my all time favorite movie.

Awesome story!

another cool gun!!

Great story about the sultan of Turkey, and I find the aesthetics quite good. I just can't figure out why the song "The hills are alive with.....", popped in my mind as you told the story.

Now that's just to cool!

superb use of the word "extant", nice vocabulary Ian

That was a very interesting overview, thanks. Apart from the additional shot capacity were there any advantages of the turret design over the traditional revolver layout?

The "ears" at both sides cover the cylinders to prevent the 2 pointing aft being susceptible to ignition, that said a very elegant piece indeed, the evol of Da Vinci's multi-fire concept. A much better system. 50/50 on the current tech v genius aspect, a good argument both ways.

This pistol looks like a miniature DP-28, it looks so badass

I have to say what an incredible and achievement right there.

Hey, I seen that in Dr.Stone

It would have been amazing if these guns had a berserk mode, a plate or something that could be easily engaged to set off all the forward facing cylinders at once. It may have made them more appealing. This is a beautiful piece.

Istanbul was Constantinople Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople

@semihiseri

5 жыл бұрын

I started singing it after he said Constantinople :D a very catchy song

@falloutghoul1

3 жыл бұрын

Even old New York, was once New Amsterdam.

@hockeytownluv2012

3 жыл бұрын

They might be giants

@floatingchimney

3 жыл бұрын

@@semihiseri What papers did you start signing?

@semihiseri

3 жыл бұрын

@@floatingchimney lol, corrected :D

Neat piece of a handgun! Extraordinary design of fire mechanism... Till very end I was trying to figure out how does cartridge stay inseide?!... (dumb, I know) The answer was soo simple... For some unknown reason I realy like this gun. Pretty, pretty...

One thing about this pistol that I think slipped by in the time is that it essentially had a removable magazine, which at the time to my knowledge was unheard of.

There should be a movie on this guy.i would really watch it

8:20 Wha... no, nickel silver is a brass, 60 copper, 20 the others

Fascinating thing

Lmao what a strange and weird weapon. Love some of these forgotten weapons -- they such strange ideas. Also these videos on weird guns end up making me want to see them fired but so many of them would probably not work or explode lol

The Cochran turret revolver was invented by one of my great uncles by the name of John Webster Cochran. He was the son of Jacob Cochran who was one of my great grandfathers . My mother actually has the schematic and paperwork from it. John Webster Cochran made many inventions which we have paperwork for as well. He was a very interesting man with some cool inventions.

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+Jonny Gib Cool!

@celt1776

8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons , the strangest thing just happened. I tried to leave that comment just before and then it was telling me comments were disabled. So I actually just sent you guys an email about this as it's a piece of family history for me. Thank you again for doing the video.

Spends a whole day working with guns, goes home and reads a book about guns.

The rear sight seems very good for the day.

Great story indeed. Revolver itselfs however seems to be pretty complicated design for something seemingly as simple.

I just wish we could see some of the Forgotten Weapons in action, 'cause it looks like this one might still work...

@NukeSaturn_

7 жыл бұрын

jdzencelowcz i doubt there are many of these out there. too valuable to fire a round through and risk breaking the old, brittle internals.

Excellent video and discussion on a unique gun and gun designer. Any chance we'll see one of his custom-made Turkish cannons on the auction block? ;-)

His brother Zephram was very proud of him.

Isn´t the possibility of a chainfire way lower on a turret revolver than on a traditional revolver design? The openings on the chambers are more appart and the chamber wich is facing back is completely covered.

@romajimamulo

5 жыл бұрын

It's lower, but it still exists. And is way, way more dangerous

Anybody else here for Dr. Stone?

It's fascinating to see a revolver (given it's a turret revolver) intended to be used with quick change turret.

neat gun

I have noticed that because you have seven bullets, no bullet is pointed directly towards the back.