"Wow, this is a weird looking spyglass..." *BANG*

@BagoLee

4 жыл бұрын

“You’ll shoot your eye out kid”

@BillyN31

4 жыл бұрын

Nix6p lol

@IVANWILLKILL

4 жыл бұрын

Hahah good one ☝☝

@samuelbhend2521

4 жыл бұрын

was exactly my first thought whe i saw it first time, two minutes ago...

@codeinecowboy8607

4 жыл бұрын

Being how stupid people are, at least one person in earth’s history died this way

honestly this is probably the most humane thing from ww1

@MeowMeowDeathRay

8 жыл бұрын

+Liquid Booster To be fair neither side resorted into using explosive rounds as agreed on in previous international treaty. That to me was always pretty impressive. It gave the wounded soldiers a chance to not die of bleeding and infection due to wounds not closing up.

@h4n5i

8 жыл бұрын

+PierreDolphin still they used gas

@DeathbyDusk

8 жыл бұрын

+h4n5i And the american military used Incendiary rounds. Lotta fucked up shit in the first world war.

@MeowMeowDeathRay

8 жыл бұрын

Maliciously Delicious Ya the american never signed the treaties banning hollow points, white phorius and incendiary rounds. In fact they are still using hollow points in the military

@kylestout9179

8 жыл бұрын

+PierreDolphin The American military does not use hollow points.

Do they also carry an inhumane version, like a flame-thrower or something?

@Steven-kc7id

5 жыл бұрын

That shit made me laugh harder than it should have.

@goobers143

5 жыл бұрын

@frank hargreaves They get tied up and forced to watch the black panther

@chrisj197438

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Timowreef There can’t be too many weapons scarier than a flamethrower 😂

@JungolistMassif

5 жыл бұрын

they did have those, its called a spoon

@amritsookhan7925

5 жыл бұрын

.50 bmg

7:54 "the deed is done" you mean "the steed is done"

@blacck0ut177

4 жыл бұрын

1979biggreen 🤣

@liamwolfieruby

4 жыл бұрын

Dark comedy at its finest.

@nmarbletoe8210

4 жыл бұрын

foal humor

@picklenick2917

4 жыл бұрын

That is so horrifically morbid but it's a great play on words on top of that you put a time stamp. props to you.

*Showcase weapon that probably killed your grandfather, all of his friends and relatives* “Omg what an amazing piece of history, genius design” *showcase weapon used to put animals out of their misery* “wTf MoNsTer”

@robert48044

4 жыл бұрын

i havent seen them comments on my way down to here but i keep seeing them mentioned.

@weisenshi4556

4 жыл бұрын

True true Thanks for speak up.

@flattire4243

4 жыл бұрын

@@robert48044 👍

@dhirpatel7187

3 жыл бұрын

Society...

@johnnycovenant2286

3 жыл бұрын

the way I see it the horse could kick your bottom jaw through the top your head and get away with it and having done the same thing the month before but if I go around killing horses what they're going to fuckin lock me away for animal cruelty and if it's a police horse then that's the same criminal charge as killing a police Human so I say kill the horses and feed them to the starving people of the world

I misread this as "Human Horse Killer" and was very confused.

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+method2madness Those became obsolete with the extinction of centaurs.

@gallardworth

6 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you could get close enough either to use this

@hokiepokie333_CicadaMykHyn

5 жыл бұрын

You rang, my lord...

@bathroomfish

5 жыл бұрын

@Neurofunke Wow, we live in a society.

@pastorofmuppets325

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, even if there were Human-Horse Hybrids running around AKA "Centaurs", I don't think you'd be able to get close enough to one to deploy such a device. Then again... We are talking about a Centaur who's a bit lame... Poor Centaur 😥

There's something very macabre about seeing the mallet with that many dimples on it.

@leathercheerio1

5 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna take macabre from you. Like you're choice of words

@Burger_pants

5 жыл бұрын

John, take some advice from someone who grew up on a farm: go outside. "notches on a belt" no it was probably used by a farmer dipshit.

@mlg_teletubby9391

5 жыл бұрын

@@Burger_pants 1. It did see military service as shown by the army proof marks 2. Stop being a dick for no reason.

@Devantejah

5 жыл бұрын

@@Burger_pants Wait, did you grow up on a farm and calling yourself a dipshit or what are you on about?

@JarthenGreenmeadow

5 жыл бұрын

I mean it definitely killed at least a few horses. I bet it still would do the job fine to this day....but yea when he flipped it over my stomach dropped for a half second like "whoa thats seen some use" not that I'm particularly a bleeding heart about horses its just a lot of biomass for one item to have removed from uh...service...

something something.. greener pastures

@MrGunman11

8 жыл бұрын

+chris odum LOL

@MrBioniclefan1

4 жыл бұрын

chris odum lmao

Me: wow this is basically just a super simple gun >proceeds to disassemble into 6 pieces just to load it

In WW2 my dad was in one of the last troops trained on horses at Fort Riley Kansas. He told me that every cavalry man carried a thick piece of chalk in his kit. If their mount was so severely injured and had to be taken iut of its misery they were to draw a chalk line from the ears to the opposite eyes. Where the lines crossed was the point of aim for a rifle or pistol shot. A cavalry man loved his mount and it must have been a tough thing to do....

@1978garfield

2 жыл бұрын

I am told that point where the ear to eye lines cross is where you should aim on most animals, attacking dogs in particular. Obviously those are mental lines if you are shooting an attacking dog but it's the same idea.

It's a pretty grim object for a grim business, but honestly, in a weird sort of way I'm glad this exists. Euthanisia is important in reducing suffering, when no more can be done, and they've taken the time to produce this to make sure the right equipment is available to do the job well. Thanks for the video Ian, it's a little view into a world we don't often see.

@megelizabeth9492

2 жыл бұрын

If you’ve ever read James Harriott’s memoirs, he actually talks about using them to put down horses.

im not saying we use to make twenty-two zip guns out of brass sprinkler heads and steel pipe extensions with sections of twenty-two caliber pellet gun barrel wrapped with electrical tape inside that we hit with a rock to fire. But this reminds me of something like that.

@JarthenGreenmeadow

5 жыл бұрын

I have never zipgun

@jensen1646

5 жыл бұрын

@@JarthenGreenmeadow ok

@BertPaulson

5 жыл бұрын

Jarthen Greenmeadow 20 bucks at home depot can fix that pretty easy

@jackapgar5824

5 жыл бұрын

I made a zip gun with my brother a .50 bullet my uncle gave us from when he was stationed in Korea. Nearly killed ourselves

@IMN602

4 жыл бұрын

Love me a zippy

interesting. i know there are idiots out there who have stupid shit to say about "killing" horses, but when you seriously consider the purpose behind this device, it PROVES a love of horses and not wanting to see them suffer. horses have served mankind for thousands of years, the least we can do is make it quick and painless. thumbs up!

@frbe0101

3 жыл бұрын

What is more crazy is everyone on ww1 had rifles, just put a horse down with a rifle to the head, no no, the horses get HUMANE euthanasia, people get the rifle! Should have called it "equestrian" standard of morality because clearly we treat the horses better then actual humans.

@NumbDiggers1998

2 жыл бұрын

@@frbe0101if you shoot a horse in the head with .303 British rifle it will paint everything around it red

@xxSKAGhosTxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@frbe0101 settle down, beavis..

@Ass_of_Amalek

2 жыл бұрын

yes, though in reality, horses and other work animals in wars such as WW1 were generally treated horrifically, as was everybody else. weird tangentially related fact: some claim that the main reason why the nazis didn't use poison gas despite having it was not primarily, as is popularly claimed, a principled humanitarian or trauma-based decision by hitler following his own injury from mustard gas in WW1, but rather a practical consideration that having both sides in the european theater use poison gas would be disadvantageous to the germans, because the germans relied more heavily on horses than the allies, and there was no practical way to protect horses from poison gas akin to the soldiers' gas masks (though I'm pretty sure they already had mask-breaking gases in WW2 designed to pass through filters and cause irritation that would make soldiers remove their masks, exposing them to simultaneously deployed other poison gases).

@rule3036

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, many vets use an overdose of anaesthetic to euthanize horses now as it negates the need for a FAC in the UK. However it is slow and distressing compared to single shot in the brain which is instantaneous, having observed both methods, the firearm option is in my opinion the humane option.

Huh. If I saw this laying around, I'd probably end up shooting myself in the eye thinking it was an antique telescope or something.

My father talked about having a device similar to this, where he would have to hit the back of it with a literal hammer. However, from how he described it, it sounded like an improvised device, and given he was a poor farmer from the Italian south, I wonder if it was a copy of a legit device or something he and his father put together.

@jameslawrie3807

2 жыл бұрын

They were made in Australia to be used exactly the same way and the same people who made the humane killers here made power heads to kill sharks (I used to work in their warehouse when I was a lad)

"What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss?"

@bnsremoval2184

4 жыл бұрын

Ive never lost

@Jatmundar

4 жыл бұрын

"Don't put it in your pocket."

@bennyoropeza5665

4 жыл бұрын

Thats your lucky coin

@bennyoropeza5665

4 жыл бұрын

Everything

@jimbronson14

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. There's the comment I was looking for. Now Call. It. I can't do it for you

People getting offended, after coming to an KZread channel that all it does is showcasing guns, are a waste of breath.

@jonmacdonald5345

3 жыл бұрын

Gun control is like trying to prevent Drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars!

Since this has been used by military veterinarians, I wonder if there has been a recorded case of someone using this in combat.

@RicoDuroska

5 жыл бұрын

much too fast

@unspokentruths6416

5 жыл бұрын

Hide behind the door, let the Nazi come to clear the room, sneak behind him then BAM. Dead Nazi 😂

@tylisirn

5 жыл бұрын

Almost certainly not. For the simple reason that they would have, you know, actual weapons around...

@imthesenate6468

5 жыл бұрын

@@unspokentruths6416 You get that this thing is from WW1 do you?

@uknowngamer1017

5 жыл бұрын

@Dolan Rockwood that's not what a sociopath sounds like, he just sounds crazy. I say that as I'm a socio lmao

It's a bad day if you need a quick follow up shot.

@dobiem1

7 жыл бұрын

I didnt need 2 for my Gran...... oops, I said too much -_-

@mikevanin1

4 жыл бұрын

@Phil M Whooooooooshhhhh ....

i have one of these.. and a box of 310 cattle killer cartridges. i didn't realize they were actually worth anything.

@2wheeleddemon745

7 жыл бұрын

Have you shot it yet?

@warmfreeze

7 жыл бұрын

No, the cartridges are kind of patinad and i don't trust them....plus the fact that the cartridges are very rare and hard to get..

@2wheeleddemon745

7 жыл бұрын

warmfreeze Good thing you found them and not me. I would have blown myself up with one or two by now😃

Horse "woh thats a weird looking head massager"

horsey went of to greener pastures.

@jonmacdonald5345

5 жыл бұрын

Nick Garant LMFAO 😄😄😄😄

I have used one of these Greener pocket pattern humane killers for casualty cattle and horses. They really are amazingly simple and effective.

I find it fascinating and somewhat heartening that even in wartime people around the world didn't want to see their animal comrades suffer. It's always heartbreaking to put down an animal you work with for any length of time, so for a soldier or veterinarian with cavalry to have something like this so that an injured animal won't suffer needlessly long is a dark and grave concept, but ultimately something that is better prepared for in advance than left until the heat of the moment to decide upon. I would rather a horse or any animal dependent on humans be able to be put down as quickly and humanely as possible if the need arises, because nothing breaks my heart more than a sick or injured animal in pain or otherwise suffering.

@Seeker-wq8jc

4 жыл бұрын

Letting an injured being - animal, or another human in a battlefield situatuon - suffer, is as wrong as killing them in cold blood. There's a difference between murder, and putting down. It's a hard thing to do, as well as it should be. We wish we could have helped them in any way possible, but they were already dead. Putting them down is an end to their suffering, not an end to their life. That was already decided. There's a difference when the other being is scared and pleading you not to pull the trigger, and thanking you before you do (or would if they were capable of human speech).

@pabloleon9884

4 жыл бұрын

@@Seeker-wq8jc The saddest thing is, while you aproach the animal with the greener on hand, they still think you've come to aid them... Since animals understand, after a long time of living along humans, that we are able to do things they themselves can't. So in a sense it feels like you're breaking the animal's trust and last hope by putting them down.

Nice home-defence assault weapon.

@knechtor5648

8 жыл бұрын

Joke aside, do you think this would be safe to carry loaded? I'd think yes, since something would need to get inside the muzzle if you carried it in pocket form with a bullet in the chamber in you bag maybe.

@RuSeK195

8 жыл бұрын

+Knechtor high capacity assault clipazine included

@Legitimerad_Tandlakare

8 жыл бұрын

+Knechtor Lol, US media be like: Fully Automatic Assault Rifle

@kiwanozukai1180

8 жыл бұрын

+M. Pulverman This is a ghost horse - 30 caliber horse clip magazine. It can fire 30 horse caliber bullets in a second; ghost horse, 30 caliber horse clip.

@robertkubrick3738

8 жыл бұрын

+King Rodi With enough knockdown power to kill a horse!

Too bad there weren't any guns around during war to simplify things.

@nightstallker123

4 жыл бұрын

A larger round could penetrate

@timtim5020

4 жыл бұрын

@@nightstallker123 Bruh they were out in a field and if a horse is severely enough injured to be put down then its probably laying in the ground where is that bullet going besides in the brain and then into the ground and don't use a rifle round then use a side arm the only potential use case I could see would be a horse somehow stupidly injured standing up and you don't want the bullet running the length of the horse to hit someone standing behind a injured horse about to be euthanized with a bullet? Just I fail to see where this is more useful than a pistol especially with the extra assembly steps.

@timtim5020

4 жыл бұрын

Also i understand that the vets were not normally issued a weapon but if they are going through the trouble of designing a whole new overly complicated weapon to give to the medics the least they could have given them is a pistol imagine not having a firearm in a warzone even if you away from the front. Wouldn't be me.

@johnathonkelly8166

4 жыл бұрын

@@timtim5020 i think the whole idea is that not having an actual weapon makes it more likely that you survive if you come into contact with the opposing side, if they see that youre unarmed

@timtim5020

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnathonkelly8166 I guess so but honestly depending on the enemy I would rather go down fighting than become a pow but then again thats just me.

Lots of dings on that mallet, sudden realization of how much it has been used gives a grim feeling.

It's funny how an item like this actually shows how humane we have been for a long time

the ad for this video had horses in it XD

I worked at a slaughter house in california. We used knock guns for the cattle. Pneumatic for hefers. And 25cal blanks for the bolt type knock guns. Very effective. I maintained all equipment at site. About 300 head of cattle per day was processed.

@sawyere2496

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a cheery place

@robertreynolds9228

4 жыл бұрын

@@sawyere2496 paid well.

@1978garfield

2 жыл бұрын

As someone who really likes beef, Thank you for your service.

I misread that as 'human horse killer' and was really disappointed as I realized I wasn't going to watch Ian hunt a centaur.

@sceriteri4157

3 жыл бұрын

does everyone just comment before reading the top comment or any comment😂

@identifiesas65.wheresmyche95

3 жыл бұрын

Referring to Ian's reply?

I wonder if a ww1 vet ever got into a fight with the enemy and had to use thing on a person

@zolafuckass8606

3 жыл бұрын

Highly doubtful. What with how long it takes to load, and the weird firing mechanism, it may very well be better to use your hands if someone got that close.

When I worked at the pits..coal mining we used horses underground. At one pit we had 90 horses underground. Now and then one would break a leg. The vet would come underground and kill the pony with one of these. Now these horses were not what you imagine..small. No they were big. Up to 17 hands. But commonly 12 to 14 hands high. Big problem now was getting a dead horse up to the surface. .not much room underground. And less room in the coal tubs we had to put the dead horse in. Coal tubs are six by four. Same as a pool table..try and put a horse on a pool table.. Hard work ! So we had to smash their legs with sledge hammers to fold them up and put them in a coal tub. Dirty job but someone had to do it. I did feel sorry for horses down the pit. But not as sorry for me down there !

@booradley6832

5 жыл бұрын

Once they're already dead anything you have to do to them becomes significantly less traumatic psychologically, even in the case of something grotesque like smashing a femur, shoulder and tibia. But yeah, stay away from coal mines if you can.

@SaintMarneusCalgar

5 жыл бұрын

How old are you? This sound like a story from 100 years ago?:)

@user-gr5me8xw3p

5 жыл бұрын

SaintMarneusCalgar This is not funny, man

@SaintMarneusCalgar

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-gr5me8xw3p taking down horses or working in a mine ?

@user-gr5me8xw3p

5 жыл бұрын

SaintMarneusCalgar Both

Thanks a lot Ian, a millon years ago in Reader's Digest i read an article titled "memories of scottish veterinarian" or something like that, and the author talk about "a greener" but the description was vague, now I undertand. Muchas gracias Ian, hace un millón de años yo leí un artículo en Selecciones del Reader´s Digest titulado "Memorias de un veterinario escosés" o algo así, y el autor hablaba de "un greener" pero la descripción era algo vaga, ahora entiendo a que se refería.

You can really hear the discomfort in Ian's voice as he describes in vivid detail how to kill an injured helpless animal. All the while he is confident and excited when handling firearms/equipment for smoking out trenches or killing vietkong in underground forts. I just find it intresting thats all. Mad props.

@apollohateshisdayjob9606

3 жыл бұрын

With many firearms, they are fascinatingly complex machines that one can use for recreation, regardless of their possible original intent for war.. The simplicity of this device and singular use removes all of that, to where the only thought remaining is the harsh reality. Aside from that, with most weapons used in war, there is ambiguity about how many, IF any, lives were taken with them.. With this tool, those dimples on the mallet make a grim total, because that was not a device that really got used outside of its intended purpose..

@apollohateshisdayjob9606

3 жыл бұрын

@Revolvin Goatt I think you have completely misunderstood what I was trying to convey.. This was a device in ww1. It has 7 pieces. Most handguns have dozens of interworking pieces like clock work. There have not really been firearms that simple since matchlocks.. Regarding animals, remember the context for this is ww1, and it was designed for horses. The designed intent for this is not farmers providing meat, these were horses brought into conflict, brutally injured, and then put down with that tool.

@megelizabeth9492

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, they were used in traditionally veterinary contexts as well. As shown in James Harriott’s memoirs, sometimes the only thing you can do is to quickly and humanely put an animal out of it’s suffering.

Wow that's fascinating if i saw that sitting around randomly somewhere i would have had no idea what it is there's so many historical things that just like junk to the naked eye if you don't know about them

Is this the same Greener that made the shotgun?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam King Yes.

@samking73

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply! I've always wanted a Greener shotgun. John Wayne made them famous.

@crazyfvck

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam King I bought one a while back.. They're great guns. Mine is one of the versions that uses a special shotgun shell, in case the guns were captured. I hope Ian will do a video on those one day! :) As a side note, it's pretty common for people to convert my particular model of Greener shotgun into a single-shot 45-70 rifle. This is done because the gun was made to fire unusual ammo. They can be modified to the point where they will fire regular 12 gauge shells, but many people choose to just turn them into rifles. So what you end up with is a Martini-Henry style rifle in 45-70.

@josho5108

8 жыл бұрын

+Sam King I was thinking the same thing in a different FW video. Remember in "Big Jake" when the Duke was all like 'I'll need a shotgun. A Greener.'?

@josho5108

8 жыл бұрын

+crazyfvck Ooo the 14-Bore Colonial Constabulary shell?

I think this was an awesome and informative video showing a different category that is usually unseen in warfare. I like how he was so professional and polite while trying to describe the purpose of this, even though in a way this was a fantastic invention and ended lots of unneeded suffering. Thanks Ian!

I love how all the suggested videos after this one are about horses

This clears up the decidedly odd mental image that developed in my mind when James Herriot talked about a "humane killer" in his books. The thing in my mind, well, it looked like half of a rifle. The rifling; just a guess, mind; perhaps the barrels were sourced from some weapon that was meant to actually fire over a distance, like the KS-23 shotgun whose barrels were made from rejected barrels for Nudleman-Rikhter autocannons, turned down and cut to length. Ah, No Country for Old Men; good movie, but the bolt stunner; what was the point? It simply can't do what it was shown to do (knock cylinders out of deadbolts, somehow leaving the door unlocked even though the still-thrown bolt would mean, even if you could theoretically hot up a bolt stunner to the point where it could do that, and you could then hold on to said bolt stunner while it does that, that you'd still have a bolt across the door and the strike, and now you'd have to futz about with a small-nose pliers to get it out. The real kicker is that the scary dude was already carrying around a giant suppressed shotgun, and shotguns are quite handy for opening doors.

@xdskroot7247

2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who thinks you could rework this into a firearm with extreme ease? Wouldn't take much to mount it to a piece of wood and set up a trigger-operated hammer to hit the firing pin.

@xdskroot7247

2 жыл бұрын

Hell, it even comes with a semi-silencer.

I recall reading that in Normandy campaign, a young GI asked to borrow his officers pistol. When asked why the young man explained he had worked with horses all his life, and couldn't bear to see the suffering of wounded German horses. From what I recall he kept the weapon for some while and put down dozens,if not hundreds of horses.

interesting video. even more interesting to think that some might get squeamish when discussing an item designed to humanely kill live stock, but not when we talk about weapons designed to kill people. frankly with all the realities of war not too humanely I might add. I've personally killed many animals to harvest the meat and fill the family freezers. it doesn't bother me in the least. If we as humans are to live, other things must die. same story with all animals. good video, I'm struck by the craftsmanship of the item. I guess that's indicative of that era in British manufacturing.

@andrew-ripley1747

8 жыл бұрын

+John Corder Yeah, it definitely seems like a high-quality (probably in excess) device. I'd prefer a mechanical firing mechanism though.

@RaeSyngKane

8 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Tadsen yeah the whole "just hit it with a hammer" approach wouldn't really do it for me. Maybe an open bolt zip gun style of approach. Certainly wouldn't look as nice as the greener one would though.

@andrew-ripley1747

8 жыл бұрын

RaeSyngKane Thinking about it more, maybe the intention was to make the device less like a firearm. Still, the approach seems rather clunky. Maybe the idea was that it would be safer to carry loaded than a device with some button-activated mechanical firing mechanism? I'd prefer a mechanical mechanism, probably a striker-fired device, with a firing pin block safety, though. In a combat zone I'd probably rather be issued a sidearm- one-handed operation would make it easier to use, leaving one hand free to restrain the animal if needed (that would be an advantage over a fitted muzzle with a two-hand operated firing mechanism).

@Andrew-hx9tz

8 жыл бұрын

+John Corder War, terrorism, assaults, etc. add up all human tragedy that is attributed to those issues. Now add up the number of people that die from atherosclerosis, cancer, diabetes alone and it is still more people dieing from animal agriculture...Now add 150 billion animals each year. We are just as much against the murder, rape and torturer of human beings but it is happening on a larger scale to animals and hurting more humans in the process. It is unnecessary and more people eat more food with less of an impact when a society is vegan...these are just facts...it is good to know the history of an object but we need to be clear that no animal can die humanely.

@johncorder2912

8 жыл бұрын

+Savage Ruins are plants less important than animals? when you pick asparagus and eat it, it dies. when you pick beans and eat them, they die. what makes those living things less important than a cow or a shrimp? life, must be consumed to sustain life, in all animals. I think there's no moral superiority to only killing plants. it's all necessary to sustain ourselves. if you truly valued all life equally and believed none should be taken outside the natural order of things you would only eat that which dies on its own, which will generally be a detriment to your health. you would likely die very quickly, according to modern medicine.

Wow just thinking how everyone of those little dents in the "mallet" is likely a dispatched horse or other animal. Crazy times, crazy deeds indeed

@nickb2208

5 жыл бұрын

People still use these.

@Burger_pants

5 жыл бұрын

as opposed to modern methods where we kill thousands of animals in a single day in factory conditions?

@oicema7598

5 жыл бұрын

FuturePants Lol vegan

@AlphaOmniscience

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah but if you had a dent in there just for every American that died in that war, there wouldn’t be a mallet left. And America had the lowest death toll in both wars. So it’s not really that shocking to see fifty dead horses represented on one mallet face.

@The4j1123

4 жыл бұрын

@@AlphaOmniscience Buddy stfu that isnt the point, we all understand a lot of people died in World War !, why do people like you ALWAYS respond like that. The point of this comment is that you are literally looking at the physical remnants of each individual time something died at the end of that stick, and that there is a story behind each dent, which is interesting to see as a visual.

End him rightly!

@Skelter84

8 жыл бұрын

+Carolus Rex precisely

@EDSKaR

8 жыл бұрын

+Helter Smelter There is the nature of unscrewing going on here.

@Skelter84

8 жыл бұрын

:)

@wingracer1614

8 жыл бұрын

+Helter Smelter To end him rightly, unscrew the mallet and throw it at him vigorously. Close in with your pistol or bayonet, whatever suits you best.

@quijybojanklebits8750

8 жыл бұрын

so you throw the pistol stick at the horse? hmm

looks like a good tool for putting a calm horse down, but putting a thrashing horse down might get a little dicey.

@nl9002

4 жыл бұрын

They would just pop it a couple times with a rifle

@thesturm8686

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully not literally....

Them: “bAn GuNs” Me: “Have you heard of the Greener Humane Horse Killer?”

Not just carried by the British Army Veterinary Corps but also by civilian vets. My late uncle, who died in his nineties just a few years ago, recounted in his memoirs that in his childhood in 1930s Yorkshire horse-drawn carts were still the main form of local delivery for many businesses and it was not unheard of for horses (especially elderly ones perhaps) to slip on wet cobbled streets and go down... and sometimes be unable to get up. Apparently a 'hoss on't flags;' was a great spectacle for the locals kids who would come from the surrounding streets to watch the attempts to get the unfortunate animal up, and to watch it being dispatched by a 'Humane Killer' if these attempts were unsuccessful. I didn't know what kind of device a 'Humane Killer' was until I saw this video but I think it unlikely that a local vet in Yorkshire who was called to an incident on a street would have a pneumatic device in his bag so this video has allowed me to add a footnote to my uncle's memoirs (which I am editing for possible publication one day).

I saw the thumbnail and thought Ian was a Jedi master and finally showed us how his Light sabre works and how to disassemble it

Greener marketed several varieties of this kind of implement. They started with Greener's Mouse Mortality device and eventually developed it into tools like Greener's 'Gator Goner and Greener's Snake snuffer. They went out of business shortly after the introduction of Greener's Assassin's assistant.

What about Greener's Equine Human Killer. im so sorry

@booradley6832

5 жыл бұрын

Who is Christopher Reeves? I'm so sorry.

I see no vegans complaining about this. All I see is people complaining about vegans who are supposedly complaiming about this.

@williamschutz4982

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Most of them are stupid edgy children. See above for example.

@williamschutz4982

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Petty Edgy.

@williamschutz4982

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Petty Wow! You burned me there. How can I compete with somebody of superior intelligence like yourself. With comebacks like "Jew" I'm done. Keep on being a edgy child you mental giant.

@GnosticAtheist

5 жыл бұрын

As a vegetarian I fail to see why I would complain about it.

@Hubert_Cumberdale_

5 жыл бұрын

@@GnosticAtheist They are talking about vegans tho

I can literally feel Ian's sadness when reviewing this gun...

@pabloleon9884

4 жыл бұрын

You're not the only...

@walt9327

4 жыл бұрын

When he’s actually touching it and showing it to the camera you can hear real pain in his voice

@apollohateshisdayjob9606

3 жыл бұрын

I think there are two main reasons why Ian and so many others are upset by the necessity and reality of this device.. First, while people have Some choice in the matter of going to war, the animal has none.. Second, with most firearms there is some ambiguity on how many, if any lives were taken with them. But with this device, basically every dimple in the mallet was an animal put down, and is a more accurate count than any number of scores a soldier might scratch into their rifle..

@1978garfield

2 жыл бұрын

@@apollohateshisdayjob9606 Many of the weapons on this channel date from back when the US had a draft or are from countries that draft or have compulsory military service. I'm not sure I would call go to war or go to jail "having a choice" about going to war.

Its funny how putting down a horse is a much heavier topic than shooting enemies during war

@mpk6664

3 жыл бұрын

That's because humans can communicate with each other. Animals can't talk and have no choice in what they do.

I have seen a box of .310 ammunition specifically made for one of these here in Australia. Interesting to see the tool that they go in.

I think the reason it’s so mentally offensive is that it’s an “executioners” tool. It dispatched the wounded at point blank range. You can look the horse in the eye and feel it. With a rifle it’s more detached, a vague humanoid in the distance running at you.

@deafvegetables4874

4 жыл бұрын

i agree

@timk2083

4 жыл бұрын

You might also argue that horses aren't ordered to kill you or invade your country. There's a famous quote that a character in the novel All Quiet on the Western Front says about war horses in WWI: "I tell you it is the vilest baseness to use horses in the war."

@seasdfghjkl

4 жыл бұрын

@@timk2083 Technically you are right: Soldiers are ordered to do so. But do you really think the WANT to? Hurting someone distant is always easier than directly looking into their eyes.

@xilon56

4 жыл бұрын

Euthanization and slaughter is something most people simply have no direct contact with. Regular firearms and killing of people has alot of general media presence while this does not. A person can eat meat their entire life without ever seeing or being in the presence of a slaughter house. I've used a bolt gun so much it's about as mundane as a toothbrush to me, it's all a matter of perspective and experience.

@megelizabeth9492

2 жыл бұрын

Basically, it’s purpose was to simply and humanely put down a suffering animal.

Want to point out that im currently in a position so that i couldnt hear the audio without disturbing others and he does a good job with gestures that i was able to understand this gun.

They should use this for prison executions instead of expensive 3-drug injections.

@juniorsaenz9845

4 жыл бұрын

Injections known for failing and greatly prolonging a prisoner’s suffering

@thesturm8686

4 жыл бұрын

Or just tie them to a pole and shoot them just like we always have....

I heard of this from reading James Herriot's books. As a large animal vet he kept one in a kit in the boot of his car, just in case a Horse, Cow or Bull needed to be put down.

Ian, your vids are cool and informitive.You handle even sensitive topics well. Much appreciated.

I remember first reading about them in James Herriot’s book, “All Creatures Great and Small.”

There is an episode of All Creatures Great and Small where he used that exact device to put down an old draft horse.

For the time it honestly was the most humane method of euthanization. Psychologically though this is very interesting that probably 90% of viewers, myself included, watch all these videos on military firearms that probably actually did see service and kill people and it rarely occurs to us and rarer still that we bat an eye about it (which seems kind of sociopathic thinking about it lol); yet when we see something that's technically not even a weapon and was used to end the lives of animals we experience this visceral reaction towards a device our first instinct is to see as evil in some way. This isn't a one-off thing either, I know people who work in the medical field and deal with dead and dying people horrifically mutilated as part of their everyday job and have no problem, but can barely look at a dead bird or cat. I'm curious where this kind of thing comes from xD

@dracodis

2 жыл бұрын

I think part of it has to do with a sense of innocence that many people (myself included) attribute to animals that they do not attribute to humans, particularly adult humans. Even when a human is placed in a situation against their will (e.g., a conscripted soldier), they still (usually) understand what is going on and the threats they face, broadly speaking, whereas animals are generally viewed as mostly lacking such knowledge or reasoning (or,at least, such understanding as a human would have). A similar thing happens with children. A disease or accident involving adults might be sad if it's even given attention, but replace the adults with children, and it becomes exponentially more tragic even if you lower the number of people affected. The more innocence attributed to something, the more pitiable they become when harmed, and adult humans are generally viewed with a low baseline level of innocence.

@SakaraCoyfox

2 жыл бұрын

@@dracodis maybe we lose it when we perceive everyone else of not having it. If you believe a broad group of people are pieces of trash, whether by creed or by birth, we now perceive horrible things as permissible

@dracodis

2 жыл бұрын

@@SakaraCoyfox Oh, that's not what I'm getting at at all; I didn't mean to imply anyone is "trash" or anything. When I say "innocence," I don't mean it in a narrow sort of definition like innocent vs. guilty or as shorthand for good vs. bad, but more of a philosophical sort, like when people talk about the "innocence of childhood,." Also, it's a sliding scale, not a simple have it or not thing. Adult humans have an awareness and understanding of the world and its risks that children and animals are mostly viewed as not having due to having less experience and knowledge of it; ergo, when they get hurt, it's often viewed as less sad because they have less innocence (NOT none, just less) than children and animals. I definitely agree with you that it's a travesty when people do what you're talking about. That's the kind of indifference/bigotry that has led to some of humanity's greatest evils.

@SakaraCoyfox

2 жыл бұрын

@@dracodis ah, I get you. When I said "you" in the previous comment I meant in general; "one" would have been more grammatically correct. But yes, I totally agree with that point too. It's not seen as being as tragic when someone has a broader understanding of how the world works and a chance to have lived in it

See the heartbreaking painting from WW1 “Goodbye Old Man” to understand why these devices are necessary.

When transporting race horses by air cargo part of our pre flight check is to make sure the humane killer is on the aircraft in case the horse goes nuts on the flight.

@1978garfield

2 жыл бұрын

Probably much easier to get one of those on a flight than a gun. Granted someone getting in to the cockpit with 2 humane killers could cause some trouble.

Modern uses are almost exclusively captive bolt, they are fire safer. There are some used in slaughter plants for small animals that will use compressed air, but field pistols use a 22 blank, various charges available. The issue with horses is that they have tiny little brains. You want something massy and in direct contact. CASH Special is current state of the art. 4-3/4" bolt.

@achtungcircus

7 жыл бұрын

JCBAirmaster73 FAR easier to carry. I did 20 years with a CASH in my truck for emergencies. A bit of a heavy brute, but never saw any special response to shape. Did a tremendous job with the training regarding placement and angle. Horses have small brains and if you were to miss could be dangerous for all.

@achtungcircus

7 жыл бұрын

JCBAirmaster73 I've inspected horse slaughter plants where the method was a stainless .22 with fibreglass

@achtungcircus

7 жыл бұрын

Furniture. And known vets who've offered the humane euthanasia options of drugs or the cheaper .257 Roberts.

@danielhawkins6619

7 жыл бұрын

achtungcircus yes,..I can attest to the "tiny little brains",...the Stupidest animals I have ever worked with.

@felixthecat265

6 жыл бұрын

You miss the point.. Captive bolt devices do not kill, they stun. You then need to slit the beast's throat and let them bleed out before they recover. If you don't bleed out the animal, the meat is spoilt. Free bullet devices do kill the animal instantly by putting a bullet in the lower brain and brain stem. This is a veterinary instrument for humane dispatch of fallen stock, not a slaughter instrument.

Omg this gun has a pommel that can be unscrewed 10/10 elite killer weapon- To end them in a rightly fashion.

@roycezaro1998

4 жыл бұрын

lmao

The absolute worst duty a Cavalryman has, is to dispatch his own wounded mount. You invest so much of yourself into that horse, that when you have to put it down, it tears you up inside.

I can see the need for the sound deadening chamber in a combat situation, not advertising your position. Glad they were trying their best under the circumstances to dispatch the injured horses as quickly and painlessly as possible.

an uncle has one that has a contained pin but instead of compressed air it used bullet blanks. it's pretty small aswell

Definitely a relic that reminds us of the dark part of wars; I think the reason it is discomforting is we believe that ultimately we think of people having at least some participation in wars (even draftees) while the animals are there for the ride whether they want to be or not. It would certainly be less cruel than leaving an animal to its own on the field of battle after being wounded. I would also believe that it was something that would likely wear on a lot of the people charged with the task, and that it was done with no pleasure and possibly much heart break. I also think that it is something that could have been less discomforting in eras long past. The reason simply being that horses were a primary mode of transportation and labor, so we just don't have exposure to it. Society is less agrarian than it used to be, and many of us are simply not exposed to the cycle of life that directly. I had a history teacher, he collected relics of various wars. One of the things he had was a certificate of appreciation from WW-II. The person had donated their dog to the war effort. Although the odds the dog had were certainly better than say Russian dogs, I would think they would be in harms way first instead of their human handlers just like police dogs today.

And when i worked at a Meatworks (Aussie slang), we had a folded over .22 cartridge in a weird Thor's Hammer type thing that we whacked on the cow's head (this was around 1996). We later got a Tazer type device with an electric bolt type thingy (would place the thing on the back of the neck, and fire a 8" bolt via a 2nd triggger/ switch type thing). We also had to wear Cricket player's helmets (with the mouth guard thing) as when we hit the first trigger, their forelegs had broken many jaws.

It makes sense to me that the barrel would be riffled. If it were not I would be concerned that the projectile would stray just enough to nick the exit hole on the brass cap.

"Buenos Dias. I'm guessing this isn't the future you had planned for yourself when you first clapped eyes on that money. Don't worry, I'm not the man who's after you." "I know that. I've seen him. "You've seen him, and you're not dead?" "What's this guy supposed to be, the ultimate badass?" "No, I wouldn't describe him as that. "How would you describe him?" "I guess I would say he doesn't have a sense of humor. His name is Chigurh. "Sugar?" "Chigurh, Anton Chigurh"

I'd rather have my comrade comfort me one last time before he ends me quickly and painlessly, think about it from the horses perspective!

The guy who designed this has a lot of horse sense.

Just want to say thanks for the amazing videos you make. I've learned so much from you. Mixing history with firearms are my two passions.

just imagine how the R&D for this thing went

This would be nice to own while hunting. I've tracked my game down 3 times while they were still breathing after I hit them, and finding a way to put them out of thier misery (my rifle caliber is way to big, its be a disrespectful, brain strewn mess) has always been pretty depressing. Like it forces you to get creative on how to kill it the most humane way... in the woods. Wtf do you do? I would love o e of these, just find the buck lying in the woods, come up to it, thank it for da juicy meat and pop. Dead deer. Not a lot of mess. Not a lot of suffering either. Seems gucci

@Imagoofygoober69420

4 жыл бұрын

Jacob Johnson well a knife would do fine put it right behind the ear and no offense but how didn’t you kill it in one shot you said you had a high caliber rifle but I don’t know how far away you are but if you want to keep the hide then go with a 17 hmr revolver

@apollohateshisdayjob9606

3 жыл бұрын

Big difference between killed a deer, and killing it quick, and caliber doesn't make anywhere near as much difference as shot placement. Really a bigger bore just gives you an extra inch or two of wiggle room on your placement.. The main target area is the heart/lungs, and a well placed shot from broad side can get all three. If you pull off that shot, it's very clean. If you miss the heart, but solidly get both lungs, the animal is typically dead well before you reach it. But if it turned a bit as you shot, or you only hit one lung solidly and the other lightly, you will probably need to track it, and it may still be breathing when you find it...

this is weirdly enough the most interesting episode of forgotten weapons i have seen.

One of these featured in tonight's 'All Creatures Great and Small' set in Yorkshire. Use to put a horse down, great to see one feature in a drama showing great attention to detail.

Just curious but do you work for RIA or do they just allow you to play with all their rare weapon auction pieces to get advertisement? Kind of a mutual benefit deal?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

+EvilSSP Nope, I'm not an RIA employee. It's just a mutually beneficial arrangement we have.

@EvilSSP

8 жыл бұрын

That's cool. I'm sure most of us are really jealous of your access to all these wonderful old toys.

"they made them for literally 100 years." ... "You may wonder if there was a market for it." Actually, I kinda figured there was.

1911 snobs are probably looking at this for their next concealed carry.

Anyone saying that a gun would be better don't understand that the projectile from this if used correctly goes through the brain straight to the stem. The angle is harder to get right with a long barrel, plus the flange stops the blood from getting in your eyes.

a solution for when someone needs a gun but cant legally have one

@guerra_dos_bichos

4 жыл бұрын

Oh sweet summer child

Quick+Painless=Humane regardless how messy it is and regardless what animal it is used on. And to the people wondering why they didn't just use a pistol or rifle, it's because they were British and people would find it much less offensive if James Herriot were traveling the countryside with this vs. a Webley revolver that could be used for more nefarious activities.

@harrier331

5 жыл бұрын

Well, not entirely, remember when this was designed there was hardly any restriction on gun ownership within the UK and most people were accustomed to seeing them regularly.

@harrier331

5 жыл бұрын

No because a nuke doesn't kill all of the people that it affects in the same way, some die horrible and painful deaths.

@harrier331

5 жыл бұрын

No, it kills people differently, some die instantly and some die of radiation poisoning and some die of severe burns, all from the same explosion. A nuclear bomb is not a humane weapon at all.

A lot of comments referencing comments of people being appalled by this but not by regular firearms - yet I see no commenters actually being appalled.

In this country, "Bolt-guns" (with a captive bolt) are used with a small blank cartridge - and there are serveral different charges, for use with different size animals (the thicker the animal's skull, the more powder required).

Interesting. Looks made to easily fit into a gentleman's/medical suitcase - an aesthetically pleasing simple tube. Also, I wonder what's the big difference between horses and cattle that would require two separate models... is the skull thickness all that different?!

@jasondoe2596

8 жыл бұрын

Oh, I get it - different angle required. I should have watched the whole video before commenting and looking stupid!

@JohnJameson18y

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason „cyberspace entity“ Do you would also need to buy two kits, meaning 2x the business for Mr. Greener...

@Infinite_Jester

8 жыл бұрын

+JohnJameson18y Minus the costs for producing several different models instead of a universal one.

@zendell37

8 жыл бұрын

+DetachTheMind Probably not all that much cost in casting a different angular piece. Especially when they're already doing it for other animals.

@JohnJameson18y

8 жыл бұрын

+DetachTheMind I could imagine that the production costs would be smaller than the possible gain in profit. Take Apple as an example. Why do they switch their plugs every now and then? (May not be the best example)

Title immediately reminded me of that pneumatic thing that one guy lugged around in the movie No Country For Old Men. edit: oh, you too!

Neat, I kinda want one. These things were referenced by name in the book Silence of the Lambs, Starling found one before she ran away.

I was expecting Ian to say that it doesn't have a drop safety...

Any record of human casualties by this?

@chronovac

7 жыл бұрын

i dunno Anton used it pretty effectively

@GODOFGUITAR2112

7 жыл бұрын

His is air-powered, you don't have to reload his like you would with this.

@superlazy3355

4 жыл бұрын

@@chronovac reference to no country for old men?

@nmarbletoe8210

4 жыл бұрын

@@chronovac But he only used it to open doors... or am I forgetting a scene?

@harrier331

4 жыл бұрын

@@nmarbletoe8210 he killed a deputy with it.

Didn't squick me out. I found this particularly interesting because of some books I've read. I don't know if you've read 'All Creatures Great and Small' by James Herriot, but as a vet in the 1930s and 40s, he wrote of having to get 'the humane killer' from his car on occassion. He never described the thing though, so I always pictured a revolver or other small handgun. It fills the mental picture in more to see the actual device.

I have sold captured bolt guns at an agricultural store.. It used blank cartridges and there were colour coded blanks for different weights of animal..

Forget about Soylent Green, here is Soylent Greener. If you're lucky, you'll find a horseshoe in your meal!

thats my new concealed carry

under the uk gun laws that would in fact be classed as a firearm

@zodsmuffin2369

7 жыл бұрын

licence to slaughter yes u would bolt gun i dont kno ill have to look that up its in sort of a gray zone in uk law

@zodsmuffin2369

7 жыл бұрын

just had a look a Captive Bolt Stunners were de-classified from their 'section 1' firearms status in February 1998. This means that a firearms permit is no longer required but there is alot of rules round this do any thing wrong and it becomes a 'section 1' firearm again

@granthart7120

7 жыл бұрын

Any gunsmith can convert these to fully automatic.

@liquidocelot5976

6 жыл бұрын

It might be obsolete calibre

@lordred4116

4 жыл бұрын

Just get your local friendly polish guy to bring you a pistol back next time he visits home! I know a guy who knows a guy.

"Le Sang des bêtes" (1949) starts off with some interesting demonstration of such tools...

Really well done Ian, thank you for sharing that interesting and I assume, rare , item!