The entire time she's talking about her polygraph all I could think of was... "it REALLY pisses me off when someone thinks Jethro Tull is just a guy in the band." 😁

One of the reasons I love this podcast, is that it genuinely y feels like you're dropping in on a private conversation. The conversation is so natural and unscripted, although, I'm sure the guests have certain points they want to touch on.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

@patrickquarter9023

2 жыл бұрын

“I’ll take ‘Overused, Out-of-Context Quotes’ for $1000, Alex.”

@jaimyjerchig5240

2 жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying the intellectual sparring.

@michelleferrera6597

2 жыл бұрын

“He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this was a great affront to the ability of the legislature to govern. And so he actually meant purchase a “little temporary safety very literally.” The Penn family was trying to give a lump sum of money in exchange for the General Assembly's acknowledging that it did not have the authority to tax it.” Benjamin Wittes, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and the editor of Lawfare

@Patrick_Bateman____

2 жыл бұрын

Rumpelstiltskin was a good man

Great conversation. Another great guest who continues to serve our country. Another great interview by Andy.

Absolutely incredible podcast!! Sharing. Thank you Lindsey, for having passion, and for being willing to shine the light!

I like how she said not if the s*** hits the fan but when it hits the fan. I like this lady she's down-to-earth and for real.

0:00- BRCC 1:00- Intro to Lindsay Moran... a spy! 2:00- Intro, Nic McKinley's ability to be late, how Lindsay got connected with Nic, top secret former Agency personnel groups, frustration with non-profits as a former ops officer 6:00- Nic's ability in the US Intel community 7:00- it's posisble to end trafficking 8:00- Nic's personnel for DeliverFund, they're all mission driven people- across the intelligence community/SOF communities, they're all mission driven, they need shit to do and need to be pointed in a direction or the direction will be a bottle of alcohol 11:00- What she does for DeliverFund and how it's similar to being a CIA Case Officer 12:00- no one at CIA looks like Colin Farrell and no one at DEA looks like Pedro Pascal from Narcos lol, The Recruit with Colin Farrell 13:10- SPOILER FOR JAMES BOND and she hates Bond 14:30- It was her childhood dream to be a spy, growing up in DC, she assumed her father was a spy doing top-secret work, not being allowed to go to eastern-bloc countries as a kid, her grandfather would've taken the CIA/OSS information to his grave if he did work for them (he'd show up and there'd be a coup months later) 17:20- The Recruit and will they tell you at CIA/former OSS if there's a family legacy of service in Intelligence? 19:00- Joining the CIA, she only told her family and her dad thought she'd never make it cuz she's far too liberal and smokes pot etc, and why CIA and intelligence community attracted her- love of traveling, seeing new places, traveling to the USSR, spy v spy east aspect etc 20:20- Her father would pack his suitcase a certain way and when back in the hotel room check if his bag had been tampered with 21:00- OCD as a kid, and OCD is useful for certain espionage stuff 22:00- College degrees and CIA Directorate of Operations, you need street smarts- not to be an academic 23:30- The utility of a college degree in 2022, the educational system nowadays and the way they teach math nowadays sucks 26:20- Andy's fiance's academic and educational path, trades vs college, college debt 28:00- her son wanting to get Grand Theft Auto, brilliant essay on why he should get it lmao 29:20- Why she decided CIA and not FBI NSA DIA etc- she loved traveling, did undergrad at Harvard, wrote a letter to CIA and they got back to her- questions initially were odd, so she backed out. She moved to Bulgaria and taught for a while, taught, moved to California, grad school etc and loving 31:00- She loves gritty, fucked up places like Bulgaria at that time in the 90s and the Balkans, something drew her to those places and countries of the world 32:00- Applying to CIA, a CIA dude named "Dave" told her to go to a hotel room in Fisherman's Wharf, San Francisco. Gave her odd instructions- take the stairs, not the elevator, not a certain number of times etc. This was all very cool and spooky to her at the time, and Andy wonders why they make it all obscure 32:00- Sidenote, this is quite funny - in the franchise Lindsay hates, James Bond... in "A View to Kill" (1985), James Bond meets with a CIA officer named "Chuck Lee" at Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco to get information on Zorin. CIA seems to like it there. Lol 32:00- CIA does this spooky meet-at-this-location stuff to assess whether or not someone's meant to be a case officer or not, it's meant to see "are you gonna balk or freak out? can you follow basic security protocol? are you gonna do something stupid like go to the front desk and go im here to meet the CIA!" 33:00- Meeting Dave in the San Francisco Fisherman's Wharf hotel room who had a limp at the time. He turns up the television for sound masking, so no one in the rooms next to them can hear them or if there's a bug that it can't pick up audio. 35:30- CIA's Clandestine Service is more selective than Harvard University. Damn. She also applied to Berkeley Law, CIA, and Bulgaria Fullbright, she went to Bulgaria and had to get background investigation redone and polygraph redone 38:00- Invited to Northern Virginia for a week-long battery of tests- psychological, academic, IQ, CIA shrink that declared her a sexual deviant lmao and Andy and Lindsay both are convinced that the shrinks are getting their rocks off while asking these pervy questions along with the polygraphers lol 39:00- CIA Polygraph test, some are in there for 19 hours, and she said it was one of the worst experiences of her life. you just gotta stonewall em. She doesn't believe in the polygraph test itself, but that's not why CIA uses it- it's a super powerful psychological tool. You can lever someone right into a corner, point them towards something and give them an opportunity to change their story. Which is EXACTLY what they're looking for, so they can disqualify you. They're looking for a number of things- can they trip you up? are you going to freak out and pull the nodes off and run from the room? jump up and down and get upset? etc. 40:10- Lindsay's super calm and cool and collected, her mentality during the polygraph was "I'm not gonna let these people get the best of me". The CIA polygrapher kept telling her she was lying about something, kept giving her the opportunity to 'come clean'. They leave the room, but you know you're being watched with camera and microphone. Finally, he told her the question she kept getting stuck on was 'have you ever willfully destroyed government property?'. He then proceeds to tell her this could include taking a sledgehammer to a fax machine lol 41:40- The thing they do where they leave the room and come back, give you the opportunity to change your story, is the exact same thing Andy's heard from everyone that's done the TS/SCI lifestyle polygraph. It's very traditional that they do that. 42:00- The lifestyle polygraph is tough, and the polygraphers try to get in your head by telling you these polygraph horror stories who reveal their deepest darkest secret 42:30- The majority of people who are compelled to join CIA/IC/SOF are patriotic and want to serve their country, so getting told you're working for someone else/and or selling secrets and being accused of being a liar is hard to take, it's a generally unpleasant experience. Retrospectively, Lindsay's grateful for the polygraph experience - you learn so much about yourself in training. It's designed to be uncomfortable like that. 43:50- What other options than Case Officer are available within CIA's Directorate of Operations?, almost everyone in Operations is undercover to some extent- they'll have a psuedonym, you can't tell people you work for CIA minus close family. CIA doesn't really say 'you can tell them but not this person', they leave that up to you. And there are people who don't even tell their spouses. 44:00- Within the Directorate of Operations, there's Case Officers aka Operations Officers- that's what most laypeople would call a 'CIA Agent'. They are out, living overseas, recruiting human sources, collecting intelligence. Within the Directorate of Operations, you also have "Reports Officers", they take the raw intelligence that Case Officers bring in and prepare it for the CIA analysts, making sure there's no source-revealing material there so you don't burn your informant. Analysts are in a whole different branch, the Directorate of Intelligence. It's a different culture- wonkier, more cereberal, less egos and less jackasses than Operations lol. They take open source information, the intel that the Reports Officers pass off to them, and they prepare analysis reports that go to the President, Congress, etc. 46:30- Directorate of Science and Technology- "The Q's", and she always thought the sci-tech people were the coolest at CIA. Super creative, super bright, you don't get the egos that exist in Operations. And then there's administration people, who drive into work and don't have to worry about being followed or tradecraft or anything like that. They're overt employees of CIA. 47:30- They tell you you're the best of the best when you enter the Directorate of Operations, and she always questioned that, as did Andy in Development Group. "They keep telling us we're the best and the brightest, why do you have to keep telling us this if it's true???" Lol 50:10- August 1998, showing up to the official course called "CIA 101", which everyone goes through. She pulls up to the security guard at Langley, VA CIA HQ and he tells her "you're at the National Transportation Security Board" and then tells her he's kidding lol great prank 51:30- She is swelling with pride as she walks into CIA Headquarters, her first day truly 'in' the building- the rest of everything has taken place at these nameless faceless buildings in and around Northern Virginia. 52:00- CIA is like The Office TV show, like Dunder Mifflin- it's just another corporate type environment, and Andy agrees that the SEAL Teams were like that too. 53:00- Andy's shocked that they had people arrive at CIA HQ, considering a lot of people in their future with CIA probably don't want to be associated with ever stepping foot into that building. "It's pretty amazing that covert operatives start Day 1 at the building literally labelled as the workplace you can't tell anybody about. Not awesome! I got ideas, CIA! Get it offsite!" -Andy lol 53:30- They couldn't take their personal cars down to The Farm/AFETA/Camp Peary (Operations' training complex), so they did this stupid exercise of driving their personal cars to CIA HQ, picking up a rental car, driving to The Farm from Langley lol 54:10- After she went thru training and got a cover office and cover phone number, she had her mother test her cover phone number and was supposed to ring into the State Department's fake "Office of Regional Affairs" (Just a sidenote, that job sounds fake as hell. If someone in DC told me they worked for the 'office of Regional Affairs', I would instantly think they were intelligence. Lmao) Will finish later, got class soon. great episode so far andy and lindsay!

@loverfighter1225

2 жыл бұрын

doing gods work

@jeckek9936

Жыл бұрын

TBH, there's nothing relevant after the first hour, its just circular and book promoting. She even admits that there was very little she had to redact and change to get the OK to publish.

@AlchemyMinds

Жыл бұрын

@@jeckek9936 She’s a windbag and needs media validation to keep herself in front of the “Bro-Code” possibles. Her GTA story is stolen from someone else’s relaying the same story about their own kid as a teenager. Windbag and a plagiarist of reality.

Bought her book, Blowing My Cover, way back when it first came out. All of the memoirs I had read up to that point were from men in intelligence work. So, it was refreshing to finally hear about intel work from a female perspective. Definitely an interesting read!

This is the best expose on the C.I.A I have yet seen.

@jordanann5747

2 жыл бұрын

Give me more.

Great interview! One of your best ever!

Read her book back in 2005. Crazy to see she's still relevant in the community. Semper

Great episode. Great guest. Will put her book on my reading list.

Andy, you are an incredible interviewer. Thoroughly enjoy your podcast.

Thanks for the excellent conversations, big dog. 🍻

I appreciate the honesty, humor, and the generous use of the word "weirdos"...haha. This episode flew by for me, ty both.

@afg3643

2 жыл бұрын

yes; (very) insightful. i can only (assume) if a foreign adversary is watching this (china/russian embassy) they might learn a thing or "two" also to forward "higher". yes, (yes) of course always with the "disclaimer" of no operational information provided. with all these "podcast" and dozens of interviews/guest (for 100s of hours); one can not (NOT) talk that much on YT without revealing sensitive/"beneficial" information to "others". but hey; what does that matter as long as there is enough revenue here and "likes". they "both" sure 'talk a lot...

Great interview Andy

Great guest . Super interesting. Neat insight and perspective

I've heard this attributed to Thomas Jefferson. "I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery."

Great podcast

"Dude get off my pizza." -Lindsay Moran 2022

@timothycarpenter9947

18 күн бұрын

Hmmm

Interesting Content Andy , 💪

Bring her back!

When you get involved with this kind of work, weather in the military or civilian world... If that's what you want to call it :-)... Later when you are detached and no longer part of that picture... when people finally find out they really cannot believe that you performed this type of work. And that is the absolute beauty of it.:-)

Please get Mike Rowe on!

Thank you Canada.

We found mustard gas at Taji, Iraq and other places. The Army publicly apologized for lying about this.

@birdmusic1206

2 жыл бұрын

I understand how media people and civilians might say tthey weren't found in Iraq, but I don't get how someone that worked for the CIA in Iraq would make a statement like that. She had to know there were some there. They found Sarin gas at one point too. It's complicated but she is probably someone that could have clarified the circumstances.

@jmeacham100

2 жыл бұрын

@@birdmusic1206 I was at Taji when they blew up the rockets they found. The DA flew me from my home in Illinois to Walter Reed for a chemical weapons exposure exam. I’d say I’m pretty sure there was mustard gas.

@jmeacham100

2 жыл бұрын

@@birdmusic1206 sarin too, you’re right.

Lindsay blew her cover the minute I met her in 1998. Telling me she worked for State was laughable.

John Yoo, who authored the torture memo, might be an interesting guest. I think Scott Horton would be an interesting talk about the American foreign policy over the last 50 plus years. Awesome podcast.

Good morning y'all have a great week

@enduser6996

2 жыл бұрын

You too brotha

with regards to the chairs... a certain defense agency, one letter removed from her's, has extremely uncomfortable chairs.

@timothycarpenter9947

18 күн бұрын

DIA

Greetings from West Brem!

Isn't the first rule of being a real CIA officer, not telling people your a real CIA officer?

Wait, free vaccines offered to get DNA samples?🤔🤔

Wow, she’s awesome

2:01:05. She does a great job showing her ignorance about EITs. I encourage people to read Dr. James Mitchell's book or even listen to him on Mike Ritlands podcast about the topic.

If you dont pass the box test in sere do you get dropped?

Really? I haven't seen the latest Bond flick...no need to now...thanks Baron von Shpoila! 😫

1:55:50 -- absolutely, yes. couldn't agree more.

Who signed your paycheck and What did you put on your W2 as occupation and who you worked for?

Nice interview! I think I have a crush on lindsay Moran ! She's too cute. It's this the recruitment process at Langley? I might need to put in a application!

Hey could you guys let us know when the shit is about to hit the fan or when the zombie apocalypse is starting hearing you guys say that is freaking me out

The psychic she refers to its not baba Yaga but baba Vanga.

Who’s investigating the investigators, that’s the question.

I used to feel bad about the math…until my friend -a ducking chemical engineer- Says trying to help his two sons math homework nowadays.

Starts at 2:00

May god bless Deliver Fund.

She should write what the next James Bond should be... especially if she hates James Bond.

@JR-ju3kj

2 жыл бұрын

Or she could could write an action thriller like what Jack Carr and others do and she could just create her own female character who is LIKE James Bond and write a book about the character. I'm going to be writing my own comics and books and I created a character who is a pastiche of James Bond who will be a minor supporting character in my comics. If people hate Bond that much,they could just create your own Bond-like character and write a book about him(or her)! I'd read that book! But the only part that would get problematic would be having the female character sleep around the way that Bond does because of double-standards for men and women,the character wouldn't get treated and viewed the same way Bond does.She'd get called a slut and every other pejorative term for women in the book but when Bond sleeps around,he gets called a ''womanizer'' and a ''ladies man''.

Cleared Hot. Simply the besy!

Lets go team!

$$$ idea : make Tactical Hippy t'shirts because I'll buy 5

"Those that give up freedom for safety deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin

Al Pacino was his dad.

@JR-ju3kj

2 жыл бұрын

Al Pacino was great in that movie. I loved this episode and interview but my particular problem with what she said about The Recruit was the implication that she basically made that someone in the CIA and in the FBI can't be really good-looking and attractive and she pretty much said the same thing about the DEA,too. I can agree that someone who is a super good-looking man or woman would stand out in any one of those organizations but I think that it's essentially an insult(whether she meant it that way or not)to all of those organizations to say that someone working for them can't look like Collin Farrell. It's like how Dr.Mike Varshavski who looks like a male-model or a leading man in romantic movies, has his own very popular KZread channel and who was named ''The Sexiest Doctor'' by People Magazine is regularly complimented on his looks but yet it's always really a back-handed compliment because really,what people are actually saying is that they don't expect a doctor to be attractive(and an actress even all but said that to Doctor Travis Stork on the show ''The Doctors''when she said that Dr.Stork must be really an actor pretending to be a doctor because he's too handsome to be a real doctor). People in any of those organizations and in other fields outside of Hollywood and modelling can be good-looking or look like models or actors but it's less likely that you see something like that in real life,that's how I would have worded it differently than the way she did.I'm not disputing that they would stand out in the CIA and in the DEA(and like I said in medicine,doctors like Dr.Mike and Dr.Stork DO stand out)but it is possible for them to still be really good-looking.

a natural inclination....is not a measure of condition.....human

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

Mike Rowe when?

50:48 First day at CIA

Not really sure how to take this lady. She relayed pretty specifically that she got caught up in lying even in her personal life.

13:23 How dare you… Bond is the greatest spy the world has ever known. I’m sorry I had to speak up. Other than that this was an amazing episode haha

September 5 grade

@timothycarpenter9947

18 күн бұрын

WOW !!!

Then you have to see the new jack Ryan its good

Can you find me anything on Lewis Steven Powell ex navy man that executed my father in Adrian TX? Cause I can’t find a damn thing.

@jaimyjerchig5240

2 жыл бұрын

Can you explain further? Tell the story and maybe someone can help.

No one ever leaves the CIA.

Interesting. Drinkin Bros Dan Holloway says Ukraine is losing.

Neat! A spy!

GRS, Andy.. GBRS, are guys previously from your side of the house at DEVGRU

it's a testament to the rigors of Seal training that Andy is able to keep his eyes off the double frontage view...bravo zulu

If you want to work your ass off, get treated like trash all day and be broke the entire time you do it, the trades are for you.

@olsparkywisenheimer8239

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're doing it wrong..😉 Trades have been pretty good to me, and the guys i know..

@jeffshackleford3152

2 жыл бұрын

@@olsparkywisenheimer8239 I don't think I was. I have worked from general laborer up to commercial project manager.

@olsparkywisenheimer8239

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffshackleford3152I was just giving you a little crap.. If you're a PM and still making crap wages that sucks. PM's in my field are 100k + from what I've seen, but I'm in public works. Shit man, go start your own thing maybe? I did that years ago and have never looked back. Best decision I ever made..

@jeffshackleford3152

2 жыл бұрын

@@olsparkywisenheimer8239 I was talking about my time being a worker, as a PM I get a good chunk of change.

@olsparkywisenheimer8239

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffshackleford3152 Well yeah, entry level sucks in every situation. I don't know any journeyman in any trades that aren't doing well. Unless they're drug addicts or professional power drinkers. The trade guys in public works are buying homes in their 20's and retiring in their early 50's. Doesn't seem like a bad gig to me.

love this guy .. not sure why he still fucks with BRCC ..

@MrPolicekarim

Жыл бұрын

How does he please?

CIA should be disbanded- if military Intel can't handle it forget about it...

Nwss

i was a DoD contractor in iraq. i use to R/R in PT and TH for a month then back to the "sandbox". i met a (beautiful) thai girl (adult). so 3 or "4" times a year i was living in thailand for about eight (8) yrs. (hua hin, pattaya). i went with her to issan (korat) in NE thailand (her home city). almost (all) thai, no tourist. say 95% thai. i met a (about) 60yoa male at a coffee shop (to me no "doubt" agency) retired. spoke (indirectly) the part, looked the part and at 6'2"/210 still take "care" of business (if needed). he could 'sum me up also (plus for me, i could tell him-"no" secret). i will call him "nick". he had a 45yoa thai wife. did some consulting online (educational) and with "his" pension. helped on the farm, worked out and "enjoyed" the blessing of what is an "asian" wife. was not writing a "tell all" book but under the (suggested) cover of it "passed" the review board of "virginia". no "podcast" (open source-non/secured) no hey look at "me"; quite and "unassuming"; what he did (or not do) for 25-30yrs. was not revealed in kortat thailand or on a 'yapping podcast for all (including adversary) to watch while sipping a JD/coke or a cup of coffee and "laughing" and joking while speaking of your "agency" assignment in nation XYZ. the "value"/truth of what he (nick) did and accomplished was in what he did not (brag) about on radio or YT and lived "quietly" to understand and value. yes, yes: i know nothing of "operational" value ever (ever) revealed in this for "show" (and profit) podcast.