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@gkeith64

Жыл бұрын

The bible, whatever you believe you know about it. I challenge you, and everyone else, to observe my findings and compare. For we are warned to not do as the Gentiles, who Babylonized the true names and titles of YaHUaH & the Yahudim elect Ancients. Beware of: in·ter·po·la·tion/inˌtərpəˈlāSH(ə)n/noun1.The insertion of something of a different nature into something else. Synonyms of interpolate are insert, insinuate, intercalate, interject, interpose, and introduce. While all these words mean "to put between or among others," Interpolate applies to the inserting of something extraneous or spurious. 👇Rev13:8. Rev13:1Original👇🤔 Jesus' from previous (Roman Latin) IeFus name, in Hebrew was “Yashua”👈 original, which translates to English as Joshua. 🤔How's that work?😳 Iefus & Jesus = Anti-MessiYAh 😮 ZecharYahu 1:19 = Remember YaHU'aH What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered YahuDah, Israel, & Jerusalem.” MatithYahu 7:16 = Gift of YaHU'aH 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Ie their works! True original Yahudim ELect 1. Yahu'shua MessiYah = Came bearing Father YaHUaHs great NAME and the world received him not 🚫. Came to give life more abundantly. Was hung on a Tree 🌴. Revelation 6:8 & 13:1-9 2. Iesus Christos = came under the conquering Cross ❌/sword🗡️, 1436AD, , Papal Bulls and Dum Diversus, enslavement, beheadings colonization. Scattered Yahudim elect elders. 1492 Columbus the 4th part of the earth, Revelation 6:8, the 4th seal 🟢, ... 1798 Pope arrested... Jesus isn't installed in the book until 1800's, see 1611kjv has Iefus, no J in the book at all. Revelation 6:9-11 & 13:11-19 3. Jesus Christ = came under the Conquering Cross ❌/sword, enslavement, scattering of YahuDah, Colonization, hung on tress, atom bombs, Holocaust whippings mockings. Added to book 1800. 1611KJV has IeFus/Iesus , begin 2nd tribulation, opening of 7th seal 🟢 MatithYahu 16:6-12 gift of YaHU'aH 6 Then Yahu'shua said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. 12Then understood they...., of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Acts 13:10 “And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the YaHU'aH🔯?”

@donalddotson-cw5ll

Жыл бұрын

Derek, many different types of SUPERSTITIOUS COMMUNITY WIDE MYTHS AND LEGENDS RELIGIOUS FAIRYTALES beliefs and rituals practices were SOCIALLY and CULTURALLY accepted as completely normal ever since man has started EVOLVING. Every region of the world had already slowly transitioned from their own superstitions until they eventually incorporated their beliefs into an official version of the pantheons of different types of pagan superstitious supernatural beliefs narratives. Each region of the ancient world eventually MONOPO-LIES their beliefs into their final OFFICIAL versions of supernatural SUPERSTITIOUS COMMUNITY WIDE RELIGIONS. Someone has to CON-SPIRE THE $ FROM THEIR naively uneducated spiritually focused supernatural SUPERSTITIOUS delusional, illusionary MINDS. By EASILY EMOTIONALLY MAN-IPULATIVE rewards, and punishment programming. Just like our ANCESTORS parents did to them. It's called the multigenerational gifts. That keeps on giving. We Humans have always been scared of dieing. It really is that simple. Why fight wars, when you can simply use their own EMOTIONALLY needy naiveties to VERY EASILY GOVERN them.

@EsotericBibleSecrets

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget to turn the other cheek Christians, so that the two punch knockout hits every square inch of your indoctrinated face.

@donalddotson-cw5ll

Жыл бұрын

@@EsotericBibleSecrets emotionally controlling the SUPERSTITIOUSLY RELIGIOUSLY ADDICTED FAIRYTALES MYTHS AND LEGENDARY FAIRYTALES blinded sheeples/zombies.

@pheresy1367

Жыл бұрын

The "First Emperor of Rome" was Augustus... but your point was right on.

I'm so thrilled people can now talk about these things freely! Without getting burned alive!

@JaysonT1

Жыл бұрын

You just get burned in different ways.

@imperator_odin

11 ай бұрын

Hopefully a day comes for Islam as well

@davidcarter1013

11 ай бұрын

@@JaysonT1 Still under the spell i see.

@raypalmerino7862

11 ай бұрын

For the bible tells me so! 😂😂😂

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” Seneca the Younger

@davidcarter1013

11 ай бұрын

Wow,never heard this before,thanks.

@PortmanRd

11 ай бұрын

"They recite their sacred books, although the fact informs me that these are a fiction from first to last. O reason, thou (alone) speakest the truth. Then perish the fools who forged the (religious) traditions or interpreted them. Al-Ma'arri

@saddha1

5 ай бұрын

Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another's seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, "The monk is our teacher." Kalamas, when you yourselves know: "These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness," enter on and abide in them.' Buddha, Kalama Sutta

What one learns from mythvision can't be unlearned! Meaning, even if one wants to go back, what one learns in this channel stays with one forever! Thank you!

@caseyspaos448

Жыл бұрын

But it can be repeated ad nauseum! Sorry, but by now Derek is as knowledgeable on this topic as his academic guests! This video nicely summarizes every single myth vision video ever made.

@JourneyInTruth

Жыл бұрын

and THAT IS A GOOD THING!!!

@davidlafleche1142

11 ай бұрын

You can't learn anything from a myth. You need the Bible.

@IOverlord

10 ай бұрын

​@@davidlafleche1142But it is a mythn. What are you talking about

@user-by3ks9bp5d

Ай бұрын

I agree! Meaning, what you have said I agree with! Thank you!

What is truly puzzling to me is not the absurd stories cooked up in the minds of the superstitious, anonymous men who invented this nonsense, but rather the apparently intense desire on the part of 21st century humans to violently hold on to these ancient myths and superstitions in spite of all the knowledge painfully acquired by humans over the past two thousand years and the utter lack of any sort of concrete proof in support of the religious myths and fables. It seems that many people NEED FAIRY STORIES to cope with the reality of living in a complex, dangerous world.

@johanfijnvandraat9339

Жыл бұрын

Fear of an uncertain and complex world and fear of death are powerful motivators to believe in such things. If you give people an easy to digest narrative to explain it all, they’d much prefer that than to have to face a seemingly indifferent universe that is infinitely complex. Coincidentally this is also why demagogues/conspiracy theories can be so effective and successful. Well, maybe not so coincidentally.

“I’m your huckleberry.” 🙋🏻. It somehow never gets old.😂

@krisbest6405

Жыл бұрын

Can you explain it, l,m Australian?

@hotblackdesiato3022

Жыл бұрын

@@krisbest6405 It's from the movie "Tombstone". It basically means "I'm the guy".

@MidlifeCrisis82

Жыл бұрын

@@krisbest6405 in the movie, there's a guy asking if anyone could face him in battle. The Doc answers with "I'm your huckleberry." This is also a reference to the Mark Twain book Tom Sawyer where Tom's best friend is Huckleberry Finn. So Huckleberry is like the counter to Tom.

@christopherjohnson4081

Жыл бұрын

He actually says "Hucklebearer", which is what we call a pallbearer.

@pheresy1367

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherjohnson4081 No. This has been debunked. He says "I'm your huckleberry" and "I'll be your huckleberry", which is a badass and menacing phrase considering the context. Snopes did a good article about this. The movie script was posted online, and Val Kilmer himself clarified what he said. But I do like this extra meaning that was discovered after the fact.

This has become one of the best channels at analyzing bible history and theology. Great work.

@lefantomer

Жыл бұрын

38:30 -- Great point! I believe you may have solved the question of why Jesus was invented in the first place.

@satanicmicrochipv5656

5 ай бұрын

When I was doing OSUT Basic/AIT at Ft. Lostinthewoods, we had a choice on Sunday's between going to church and cleaning the barracks. Being a 17 year old doofus, I went to church. Over the course of several Sundays, I sat by myself in the back of the church and read the bible cover to cover. The following Sunday I sat up front and listened to the sermon. The Sunday after that I was buffing the dayroom floor as a freshly minted atheist. Superstition fails.

I have read the Bible straight through many many times - sometimes multiple times each year. If there were things that were hard to take in the OT I would just say to myself that it was the OT. If the Gospels were different from each other I wouldn't really take time to think about it. Everyone I knew was doing the same thing - or at least that's what I thought. But I began to have doubts which I got over. I made my way into a conservative seminary, and I received a Masters and started work on a doctorate. But I began to have doubts again. I don't know where it started, but I had serious doubts before I read Ehrman's "God's Problem." Then I found Dr. Richard Carrier. Many of the things he talked about were related to things that I had read in seminary. That was the final nail. Many old friends are trying to keep a grasp on their beliefs. What they believe is their right. They have to come to the conclusion on their own.

@bunchlead

Жыл бұрын

So what made you leave Christianity?

@bunchlead

Жыл бұрын

PS I see this great falling away from Christianity (as prophesied) is because people somehow were made to believe the bible is infallible? How was this incorrect assertion passed on to you guys? The bible imo, is a book of history and myth with elements the supernatural from God.

@cwfutureboy

Жыл бұрын

What makes you think the all-knowing god would allow myths and untruths in his ultimate message to his followers (not to even touch on allowing interpretation into the equation)?

@bunchlead

Жыл бұрын

@@cwfutureboy Divine plan, maybe?

@cwfutureboy

Жыл бұрын

@@bunchlead it's a really bad one, unless you want people thinking they're right when they are not and living their ONE life accordingly. Or if that god is evil/sadistic, it would make sense.

On 2021 I finally had enough and left the JW's, it took me a while to realize that the problem is not only this particular cult but all christianity is based in a forgery, I never could worship Jesus or pray to him after I tried other denominations and now thanks to the youtube algoritms it took me to these kind of channels, wow! all the things I have learned since I opened my mind 😮I had no idea!

“Paul didn’t mention Jesus’ life because that wasn’t the theme of his epistles.” Which means Jesus’ life and ministry gave Paul no ammunition for his arguments. He may as well not have lived as a human. Paul quotes Jesus twice, but since Paul claimed that he received his gospel from Jesus’ spirit, those quotes would have come from that epiphany

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

Paul also had a political motive for downplaying Jesus' life story. His rivals in the Church knew more about than he did. He wasn't there, they were.

@scienceexplains302

Жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 Yes, thanks, that may be more important than my point

I love hearing David Madison and his interviews. I got his book in audio and enjoyed it.

Derek, you are an absolute beast with your content. Thank you for another fascinating discussion.

Good one Derek. This the good bread and butter content that is a hallmark of your channel. Getting back to the nitty-gritty of debunking the commonly heald beliefs such as: does the Trinity really appear in the OT, did Jesus claim he was really God, are the manuscripts really immutable and non-contradictory, did the teh prophecies really become fulfilled and so on.

@krispy395

Жыл бұрын

the trinity does not even appear in the NT

@skepticalorganism6716

Жыл бұрын

@Kent Schuyler holy spirit is angel? why does god appear as fire burning bush? is he fire god?

@skepticalorganism6716

Жыл бұрын

@Ray Ray maybe

@skepticalorganism6716

Жыл бұрын

@Kent Schuyler maybe, but why fire? even moloch marduk baal used fire...why can't yahweh use whirlpool to talk?

@lefantomer

Жыл бұрын

@@skepticalorganism6716 Volcanic environment on that "mountain"?

I know a few catholic priests and one in particular ‘coincidentally’ knows an awful lot about the zodiac, i absolutely believe the higher ups in Catholicism know that Christianity’s stories are based on the stars. They will never spill the beans because being a priest is literally their whole life.

@Anthropomorphic

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean that those individual priests have arrived at that conclusion, or that the Catholic Church as an institution is secretly about astrology?

@william6223

Жыл бұрын

@@Anthropomorphic Astrotheology is part of Catholicism. I know this first hand. Many churches/beliefs within the catholic faith.

@Anthropomorphic

Жыл бұрын

@@william6223 Do you mean that there are aspects of Catholicism that trace back to astrotheology, or that people in the Catholic Church today consciously believe in astrotheology?

@hannahs4779

Жыл бұрын

@@Anthropomorphic As Paul wrote (1 Cor 3:2) milk is given to the masses and meat is for the higher ups. the Vatican archives, statues, artwork etc all point to the institution’s true beliefs.

@Anthropomorphic

Жыл бұрын

@@hannahs4779 It's a conscious part of the institution's doctrine, then, and you're only told once you're on the inside?

That is like a peasant preacher in Alabama whose wonderful story 4 decades after his death is written by a spanish guy in Madrid and in spanish who does not speak english and whose source are some stories about the Alabama's guy telling him by some american tourists from New York visiting Madrid, who managed themselves to speak a few spanish sentences.

Happy birthday David! I also have a book to write and “miles to go before I sleep”. But I’m afraid of the process of dying, but not of oblivion itself.

When he said “Bye Felicia” 😂😂😂

I have to agree it's hard to believe Mark and John were writing about the same person, throw in Paul and it's all discombobulated !

I am a secular Humanist and am very interested to find out and expose lies from Religions. My personal goal is to contribute to our generation's big project, desacralizing religious myths. No offense to any person because of his/her faith.

@tusaniabigby9715

Жыл бұрын

I don't know about you but God is 100% real to me

@tusaniabigby9715

Жыл бұрын

Some of you think your doing humanity a favour by destroying Religious beleifs including Christianity , without Christianity modern science wouldn't be the way it is now so don't bother use that against us , look how countries have become without Christianity , definetly not better , without religion the world will not be better . Jesus will return one day for his people , its up to you whether you choose heaven or sin the evil in this world . Christianity is incredibly different from other religions , instead of us relying on our works alone we rely on our faith for salvation , Jesus loves you and i will pray for you . Have a good day

@mogbaba

Жыл бұрын

@@tusaniabigby9715 I am sure it is, only in your mind!

The final nail in the coffin of Christianity for me was when I learned that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ was not unique.

@RedWolf75

Жыл бұрын

That's propaganda. The tale that Christians borrowed from Mithaism is a take invented by a French atheist in the 1800s

@Call-me-Jester

Жыл бұрын

@@RedWolf75 There are far more dying and rising gods than Mithra, but I'm talking about the whole package. The virgin birth, December 25 as the date if birth, wise men, angels or some "heavenly host" singing or rejoicing at the "savior's" or "redeemer's" birth, multiplying loaves and fishes, water to wine, 12 disciples, eating of the body and drinking blood etc. Nearly everthing about Jesus or Christianity was previously represented by other gods and traditions. Christianity, like Islam and Judaisn, is a syncretic religion which had many outside influences. Christianity isn't unique. It just won the West. If you want to learn more, Kersey Graves' The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviours: Christianity Before Christ is a good place to start. Mithraism isn't even the tip of the iceberg, my friend.

@RedWolf75

Жыл бұрын

@@Call-me-Jester Being born out of a rock ain't a Virgin birth. You guys really are failing

@Call-me-Jester

Жыл бұрын

@@RedWolf75 Um, no sir, there are other gods who were birthed by virgins. I never stated Mithras had a virgin birth. And miraculous births, i.e. born from a woman's, or in some cases a god's, side, or birthed from a rock, were also common tropes at the time.

When I was a christian I was the type that always wanted to hear other opinions so that I understood what I was meant to stand against. One time I said to my then friend that I wanted to read the book of Mormon because I wanted to understand what it was about (with the intent of "understand thy enemy"). My Bible study friend really discouraged me ready it and tried get me not to (which I didn't), but it has always stuck with me that they were afraid of what might happen if I heard the word of that book. They didn't even want me listening to the point of understanding enough to formulate an argument, because they didn't trust that I could think for myself. They're generally so afraid of people hearing from a source other than themselves. I'm now a proud atheist with Christian kids. They know I am, but I use the live and let live philosophy. And they seem to honour that.

@jamesblack4411

Жыл бұрын

I'm in the same boat saved by Jesus kids and wife and I stand aside now I just can't take it to heart we all have been lied to I guess it won't hurt for them to beleive but I'm torn now I just say hey why not everything else we have is from pagan

As a former missionary. Seminary trained overseas missionary and bible college teacher. The issues to me were not so much textural, also that was included. It was mainly that God had willingly created a situation whereby the vast majority of people would suffer terribly forever. God created that suffering. Human free will seemed ridiculous as an argument because God also created humans and could have created them to enjoy eternal bliss, but decided to knowingly create the environment of failure and horrendous consequences. If there is a fault in anything the builder/creator/manufacturer is blamed but in Christianity the thing manufactured is blamed.

Another great episode with a wonderful guest. Def interested in his books!

I have David’s books and they’re AWSOME! SO GET DAVID’S BOOKS! Thanks David.

Mythvision is the path to righteousness! Amen Brother

@chrisstathe9183

Жыл бұрын

Jesus is the only way.

@Seekingtruth-mx3ur

Жыл бұрын

Praise the lawd

@stechriswillgil3686

Жыл бұрын

He sounds like a very bitter ex- evangelical. These people get very,very dissatisfied when they don't get replies from God. It could be seen as sheer hubris and arrogance.

@user-wy9nx5ou6w

7 ай бұрын

@@chrisstathe9183 No Jesus = no way, oops. Jesus is a metaphor to how an individual can find higher consciousness mistakenly labelled as god.

@user-wy9nx5ou6w

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@stechriswillgil3686 You sound like a totally indoctrinated and self-delusional Christian that can’t cope with any idea that questions the ignorance of belief and danger of blind faith.

I've been a faithful watcher of this show. I grew up in the old school Roman Catholic, converted to Christianity, and now just love what modern minds are connecting the dots. I had no idea about a lot of the stuff that was plain as day in front of my face. I'm particularly fascinated with the stories of a possum Paul, the book of Thomas, and some other weird creation tales in science stuff. I've been waiting for the show thank you for doing what you do. I will become a patreon soon. I'm crazy disabled so everything takes a really long time hahaha. I wasn't always this way. I'm praying to some God certainly didn't help. Wrong one maybe? LOL kidding

@Turandot29

Жыл бұрын

LOL! I loved your reference to “a possum Paul!” Don’t you love how the dictation software gives you something unexpected? All the best to you.

@hannahs4779

Жыл бұрын

@@Turandot29 haha I laughed at that too 😂 possum paul 😂

@stunningkruger

Жыл бұрын

good luck m8! i dunno if i should mention this or what it means - if anything at all, but have you ever noticed how disable & disciple share a common root? i guess maybe time itself eventually disciplines us all.. but you know what they say - the darkest hour is always before the dawn & zero hour is always followed by 1 am. So for what it's worth .. all the very best to you bro - keep on keeping on! 🤠 ❤💥

@spaceghost8995

Жыл бұрын

Yo Roman Catholic IS Christianity.

@crippledcannabiscowboy8925

Жыл бұрын

I'm dying laughing over here now. I didn't even know it wrote possum Paul. That was actually so funny it took me a minute. I haven't connected any disciple with disabled. Certainly be cool if I did. Maybe I am? I just know something's off. Or maybe I'm just nutso. I appreciate the kind words. I certainly do the best I can with what I have. It's called ppms. Anyone that has it knows how rough. I appreciate y'all chiming in

Mary was supposedly assaulted by a Roman soldier . To say good things can come out of bad starts...we both said bad start simultaneously....

@RedWolf75

Жыл бұрын

No evidence for that

@voxpopuli348

Жыл бұрын

James Tabor located the Roman soldier and his tomb. Not necessarily rape.

Last few times I went to church i remember being mortified at how many times the congregation had to stand and be seated again at request. “You may now be seated” wtf?

@eprd313

Жыл бұрын

Lol I couldn't stand this as a kid. 7 years old, tired from school and homework, and just wanting to play gameboy on my Sunday morning. Suffering insomnia thanks to images of hell, a bleeding suffering hanged god, and an "obedient" father on the verge of stabbing his own kid, among other things. Not understanding a word of what that man dressed in funny clothes was saying, so now wanting with all of my being simply to sleep on those hard-wood uncomfortable benches. But no, you can't. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, raise your left hand, raise your right knee, turn around, jump and sing.

@stechriswillgil3686

Жыл бұрын

​@@eprd313 I didn't worry too much about it as a kid because you have to do what adults tell you anyway. I was an Alter boy too, and enjoyed it ! It's only later on , when you realise that many who go to church on Sunday behave completely different the rest of the week. I really enjoyed the ritual of going to church , but obviously didn't understand the implications behind it as an 8 yr old. As a 14 yr old, I saw through a lot of the charade and stopped going. That's dogma and Catholicism though; I've separated that from the the truth about what we now know and it's a matter of faith. Is it just centuries of hearsay and stories that have evolved OR did a supernatural figure really exist 2000 yrs ago that came back from the dead ? There is certainly a lot of very evil people in this world and one wonders if there is no antidote or sanction against them ?

@eprd313

Жыл бұрын

@@stechriswillgil3686 there are like dozens of accounts of the time stating that real people had been resurrected and ascended to heaven in their human form, and therefore wrre gods or demigods. Christian mythology is nothing special, except for being adopted as the official religion by the most "successful" (bloody) empire in our history.

@lefantomer

Жыл бұрын

@@eprd313 Ritual, used to keep the believers in the trance state where they don't ask questions.

@eprd313

Жыл бұрын

@@lefantomer exactly. It works for most, but I guess they have it more difficult with neurodivergent people

Excellent interview! I read Dr. Madison’s articles every Friday, they never disappoint.

The more scrutiny we apply to religion the more false it is found .

Great job on this interview!

I just had an insight from this show. I'd long thought that apologetics (especially amateur apologetics) is about convincing oneself as you describe here Derek. But it hit me now from hearing you guys talk about reasons for entering academia, that being able to convince others (less knowledgeable) must also bring its own kind of "faith". But the test of an argument is not so much whether those who know less than you will be convinced but whether those who know more than you will be...

Thank you for updates Tony, I like the picks, hoping for the best

I bought and read “10 things Christian’s wish Jesus hadn’t taught” an easily digested informative book, go buy a copy.

@chrisstathe9183

Жыл бұрын

If you add or take away from the word God will add the plagues mentioned. His word is complete and wanting more Revelation is having itching ears.We are to ask God to teach us what is written.

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisstathe9183 2000+ years yawn

@Baa975

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisstathe9183 😴

@Baa975

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisstathe9183 10 things Christians wish 'jc' hadn't taught isn't adding or taking away. Stop repeating what you've learnt by rote and brainwashing and investigate for yourself. APTTMHO 🙏

@bobbydobalina

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisstathe9183 ​ Isn’t Rev. 22:18/19 referring to adding/taking away “the words of the prophecy of this book” and not the generic Word of God you seem to imply? I ask this because can’t one quote Deut. 12/32, that speaks to the prohibition of adding to Gods commandments, and use it as an indictment not only against The Book of Revelation but the NT as a whole? Just something to think about

To hear an “older” white man say “Bye Felicia” (@50:21) made my entire life!!! Do you hear me??? My ENTIRE life!!!😂😂😂😂😂

@Seekingtruth-mx3ur

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

Dr. Dave writes regular articles for Debunking Christianity. Great interview. I always enjoy Dr. Dave's interesting and informative writings.

Awesome talk! Yet another well curated guest scholar.

Don't forget to turn the other cheek Christians, so that the two punch knockout hits every square inch of your indoctrinated face.

Who ever wrote about the empty tomb knew nothing of Jewish burial practices. No one would visit a two day old corpse. To do so would be unclean.

Religious books , bibles , quoran and others are the superhero comic books of their times , their superhero god even looks like them .

It's interesting how "conservative" means almostthe opposite in Jesus studies (or other Christianity-adjacent areas) than it does elsewhere in acedemia. Usually being conservative as an academic means not jumping to conclusions, remaining sceptical. I understand why but it always feels strange when you hear "conservative scholars insist that the torah was written by moses" or something like that

@scambammer6102

Жыл бұрын

that's not what conservative means. Conservative means resistant to change.

@eprd313

Жыл бұрын

​@@scambammer6102and that doesn't contradict what they are saying? He's pointing out that conservative scholars are sticking with the traditional method.

Jesus turned Water into Wine. I can turn water into koolaid with koolaid packets

@etzelkaplan9677

Жыл бұрын

cdc ' today 3.2 million premature deaths from alcohol per yr worldwide ' 32 million dead per decade thanx a lot Jesus

I cant believe neither a dr or yourself could realize that the off in George Nelson question was a typo, it obviously meant eye of a needle. That also would’ve been interesting to hear talked about because I heard the word for camel sounds like the word for cable and that the original parable says easier yo fit a “cable” through the eye on a needle, not a camel honestly cable makes more sense in that parable lol

I really don't see how anyone can actually claim that jesus' story is "based on" a "real person". How many changes and fabrications does someone have to go through before the story turns into just a complete myth. If someone told a story about how someone named Dienekes lifted a car and throw it a city block, is that really about me or is it just a fictional character that happens to share my name? There is so much bullshit to the jesus story, with no real substance to the character that I just don't see how anyone could capitulate that there _might_ be some random person at the core of the fable.

@MrAuskiwi101

Жыл бұрын

"I really don't see how anyone can actually claim that jesus' story is "based on" a "real person". Considering there is no evidence that he existed :)

@Anthropomorphic

Жыл бұрын

If someone writes a story about a car-throwing Dienekes, and specifically does so with you in mind in an attempt to tell a story about you, would you say that there's a real person at the root of the story?

@jackcimino8822

Жыл бұрын

There are legendary and fictitious tales about Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Pythagoras, Apollonious of Tyanna, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, and Sridi Sai Baba. That doesn't mean they didn't exist. Not to mention, the Pauline epistles do not say Jesus is God nor do they mention that he did miracles.

@MrAuskiwi101

Жыл бұрын

@@Anthropomorphic The problem with the claim of a historical bible Jesus is there is no evidence

@Anthropomorphic

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAuskiwi101 I think that's a different issue. I'm responding to the part where Dienekes used himself as an example. I'm asking whether or not a story that is intentionally based on a real person could be said to be rooted in a real person even if the story takes so many liberties that very little reliably remains of the original person.

The part where he is saying no minister would tell people to go learn about other religions reminded me of when my minister did exactly that. However, my minister was a unitarian-universalist, so not really really a Christian minister.

#1 problem with religious people, they don't know their own religion

Thanks!

Most , if not all , biblical scholars were religious people and invested in their religion being true , today after taking the religious glasses off we are finding there is no viable proof that it was fact based .

@wilsontexas

11 ай бұрын

Sounds similar to the big bang.

That top #10 rising and dying gods was awesome.

Great 👍

Thank you for the Gatorade ad promo

"You'll need the wine." 😂

At some point why did the early founders and stakeholders of Christianity not edit the gospels so that their founding document was more coherent and consistent? Surely they could see the flaws. Was this by design?

“Read the Bible!” he says. I was a pretty devout Christian when I was young. I did set out to read the Bible at one time. I got bored pretty quickly. Most of my Christianity came from sermons, Sunday school, and being a member of the Methodist Youth Fellowship. That’s not to say I didn’t read some of the Bible. If I had read the whole thing I would probably have had way more doubts earlier on. I did eventually leave Christianity, but only went through a short period of being an atheist.

@johanfijnvandraat9339

Жыл бұрын

That’s one of the things that I’ll never understand: can any honest Christian say that the Bible is the best/most interesting book they ever read? And if there was a creator of the universe, who made trillions of galaxies, don’t you think if he were to inspire or write a book it would be the most amazing book you had ever read? Instead we have the Bible which is just so damn uninteresting that any Christian has to struggle to make it to the end… I never managed to read the whole thing anyway.

@davidcarter1013

11 ай бұрын

@@johanfijnvandraat9339 LOL,me either.

Hallucinations that likely arose from him having a heat stoke,

It’s about obedience. It’s a book to control man.

@Baysunrise

Жыл бұрын

@tandme2342 exactly.

@JaysonT1

Жыл бұрын

​@tandme2342Here we go

@herewegoagain7135

11 ай бұрын

​@tandme2342exactly, in the kitchen and shouldn't be driving 😅

@herewegoagain7135

11 ай бұрын

Now I see ,why one of the commandments say ,shall honor father and mother. When we're kids and our parents say ,just read and listen, that's the truth. We're being forced to obey. No wonder I haven't liked religion in my 55 years . Cheers .

@wilbertwakingup3498

11 ай бұрын

Because nihilism and hedonism and total loss of self discipline is just such a great alternative

Without the last 12 verses of Mark's gospel, which were added sometime later, Mark's gospel would contain exactly 666 verses. It doesn't mean anything, I just find it interesting.

Excellent presentation. On 18 Jun 1977, I was atheist like my father, but on 19 Jun 1977, I became spiritual. Due to injuries received in a serious auto accident, I have a persistent memory of being dead. Scientists discount my memory as a DMT experience. People discount my memory as being a near death experience. There was nothing near to it. For 26 years, I was at peace with the memory of my death. On 16 Sep 2003, I looked at the memory of my death in the reverse. On that night I stumbled into abstract photography. Over the next year I created over 2 terabytes of abstract artwork. From the artwork emerged an equation that explains to me how I was in a spirit state observing the physical world. The equation uses the logic of Lynch, the energy of Einstein, the force of Newton, and the sayings of Socrates to describe a moment of time as infinite. I call the equation the KnoWell. The KnoWell is written on the letters, I A M. The KnoWell bridges the gap between science and religion through philosophy. I taught ChatGPT the KnoWellian Universe Theory, and the bot was quick to equate the KnoWell to the Steady State Theory and Anaximander's Apeiron. On 19 Jun 2007, I draw a KnoWell for Peter Roman, and I have sent numerous emails to various Catholics informing them that Saint Malichay's Peter Roman was born from an immaculate conception. This year, I contacted monsignor Henry Gracz at the Immaculate Conception Shrine in Atlanta GA. The Immaculate Conception is the oldest church in Atlanta, and rests of stones quarried, placed, and donated by my family. I contacted the archbishop of Atlanta, and Cardinal Timothy Dolan. Not one of them have enough Christ in them to even respond. Henry and I have had several face to face conversation. Cardinal Wilton Gregory walked away from me, so I had to talk to him as he fled. I do not expect you to respond, but if you would like to read my emails and see my equation, just let me know what email you would like me to mail you links. You can also search for my letters on the internet archive, way back machine. You can search youtube for "Near Death Experience -Did this man communicate with God the father?" Ai did a great job with my best written recollection of my death. As I told Henry, "A lot of people are going to be surprised, when they wake up dead." A big part of me hopes that when I die it is lights out. I am tired of all this chaos and control colliding. Keep up the great work, David Noel Lynch ~3K

Is there a book that lists all the contradictions of those 4 gospels? I wish there is, so I can show it to my indoctrinated family at once.

I always find it amusing, the women at the tomb, so shocked that they went away and said nothing. OK, you can write that in a fictional story, like sci-fi or fantasy. But if you are recounting an actual event, it poses the problem: If they said nothing, and they were the only ones there, HOW could this make it into the text??? It's exactly the same with all those 'and God said' lines in the OT. HOW did he say it? Was there a loud booming voice? If so, how come we NEVER get that today? Again it poses the problem of WHO was there taking down the notes that made it into the text. Or was the text all just made up? Makes FAR more sense. How come Christians don't get this? Because they exert EXTREME effort to bypass every rational argument against their self-indulgence in NONSENSE.

@eprd313

Жыл бұрын

They discovered the BEST brainwashing method in the whole world. Tell them there are two forces: good and evil. Tell them that if they want eternal good they have to behave and believe in a very specific way. Tell them that if they don't do so they'll face eternal evil and the worst possible conceivable tortures. Tell them that anything that questions this dogma obviously belongs to evil and puts them at worse than deadly risk. Gaslight them constantly like an abusive partner or parent would so they doubt their own capacity to discern and reason, and become emotionally dependent through ambivalent attachment. Tell them you are the *only* way to escape the suffering that you are inflicting. Show them a large community of other brainwashed people so their evolutionary need to socially fit in does the rest of the work. They are geniuses, perverse geniuses.

@dirtypickle77

Жыл бұрын

When you study some Hebrew/Aramaic copies alot of these stories were visions., didn't actually happen.

@morbidclash

Жыл бұрын

There are actual logical answers, seek and you will find

@user-wy9nx5ou6w

7 ай бұрын

@@morbidclash The logical answer is that people rushed to organise a religion that could have the same element of controlling people that it did in Egypt. The people involved were clearly pro Roman Empire so homosexuality gets described as sinful and people are told to pay taxes. The Roman Empire officially crumbles but it’s power base is simply transferred into the unholy church of the Roman Empire. Christianity is bolstered by copying templates and idea’s in Zoroastrianism, they produce a hodge podge book by recycling Homers writings, by copying stories from the Sumerian Enuma Elish and ripping the stories out of the epic of Gilgamesh, all the pagan idea’s of planetary knowledge get deliberately disguised and suddenly 12 star signs are turned into 12 hypothetical apostles, gods Sun is turned into gods son and the god of the moon is disguised as sin. The battle between Judaism and Christianity continues unofficially through freemasonry. Christians want to believe, they want to believe in the Zoroastrian idea of humanity needing a saviour, an idea that is copied into Judaism before being plagiarised into Christianity with someone suggesting the saviour has arrived. The Jews don’t buy into the idea that Jesus is real or that he is the saviour they’re waiting for. However Christian’s so want this to be true that they ignore evidence and facts to the contrary, in fact apologists are willing to compromise integrity by wilfully lying if necessary to defend all the obvious nonsense and contradictions. The old volcano / war god of the OT is an embarrassment of psychopathy - happy to dictate the 10 (11-20 😁) rules, and equally happy to break those commandments. Thou shall not kill……unless you wish to capture some slaves, unless your children don’t obey you, unless you need a wife and unless you wish to wipe out your neighbours in a tribal genocide…then it gets gods approval. The NT deals with this by introducing a completely different god that suddenly transforms into the exact opposite character of being an all loving god that loses its psychopathic human qualities of wrath, vengeance, jealousy and approval for child sacrifice, rape, slavery and murder. It’s all very obvious unless you buy into it, if you buy into it then your mind will juggle and tap dance round awkward facts to stick with what you WANT to believe.

I have so many questions. When he said that he would like to live long enough to see Trump dead that did it for me. That was a horrible thing to say. I may not like who is in the Whitehouse but I don't want to see them dead. If being an atheist means being that hateful I makes me not want to investigate any further. That one statement stood out more than anything else he said.

@Habanero777

6 ай бұрын

I agree with you one hundred percent. When he said that I was floored.😢 He must be satan himself. Trump has done the best that this goddamn United States has seen since JFK was assassinated. So yes, he can go fuck himself on that comment.

@forsminer5410

4 ай бұрын

I know how you feel. Christians are salivating for the destruction of everyone who doesn't follow their particular interpretation of scripture (including other Christians). Yes, atheists can be rude. But they didn't invent it.

Derek you talked about wishing that there is life after death!! A few years ago I died & was gone awhile!! My life ended I ceased to exist & it’s ok you know nothing!! You don’t know your dead don’t miss loved ones because you don’t exist. As it was before you were born so it is after you die. I now have no fear of death at all. Life is good live it till it ends!!❤️❤️

@wilsontexas

11 ай бұрын

That is biblical. Before you were conceived, you did not exist, when you die you "sleep" and know nothing until the resurrection and judgment. So you needed to stay dead longer if you want to claim it is the end.

@SpitSharp

2 ай бұрын

Funny thing is what you’re saying is pretty much what I was thinking yesterday❤

The big question is who were the 4 biblical authors? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John? There’s hardly anything about them in history, no biographies, no information whatsoever… Christians make me laugh. 😂

Luke comes out of the gate like, "Yo, I'm here to correct all these other bitches on how it actually went down." and Apologists will still say it's parsimonious with the other three. Simply because it tells most of the events in the same order.

Could you post a link to the water/wine pottery mentioned around 18:30?

'What's in the basket .. ?' .. .. .. "My brother . . "

He said "Bye Felicia"! 🤣

Whatever brings peace and joy to another person on this Earth I will support. Who am I to say if something is true or not?

Eue off a needle MAY be referring to the verse that says it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to go to heaven

The “eye of the needle” comment probably refers to the rich man who cannot get into Heaven.

Fear, fear, Fear fEaR, is the best ssles tool for organized religion. Has anybody ever seen the movie called religilous by Bill Mar.?? Whether you like Bill Mar or not, this is one movie that everybody should see.

who gave the church clergy the right to throw out several books from the Bible that did not jive with their trinity trigod voted on at nicea 325ad ?

Where is the link to that video Derek shared about ressurection?

Most people aren't aware of the duality of the outer and the inner worlds. The outer is a shell of a story, or information from a materialistic point of view. There are layers underneath inside closer to the center of truth known as the esoteric.

Passing thru the eye of a needle is just as hard as entering the kindom of God

This is scary!!! If there is no jesus, who came to earth to save us. If no Jesus, no one ever born will be saved. We are all doomed.

@extemporaneous4545

10 ай бұрын

Saved from what??? Define 'sin'. A 'sin' in one culture is not considered a 'sin' in another culture. It's all in your mind. If you believe some book you read and what it says that you have 'sinned' and you need to be 'saved' by some supernatural figure also created as a storybook character in that book to be true, it will be true for you. You will live your life being bound by it, and in the end you'll find you did it all to you.

@extemporaneous4545

10 ай бұрын

Second comment : This is not to say that there are no karmic consequences to your actions, both "good" and "bad" depending on your perspective. But you can deal with it. You 'save' yourself. Learn from the Eastern Ways of Life (Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism) if you want to break free of fantasy notions from a fantasy novel of who you are and what your place in the universe is.

Just one small point - if you have an eternal being - who keeps being born into the world eternally, then it stands to reason that there will be earlier stories reflecting that, since that being (or story) is always present, so i don't necessarily think the earlier stories detract from the idea of the dying & rising god/child. The tradition may go back as far as the red lady of Paviland & the three days in the tomb is reflected in the (pre-Christian) burial mounds of Ireland - Newgrange etc

Magical thinking and illiteracy for the most part (with a few exceptions) were par for the course in the ancient world.

I rember Seth Andrenw Djing our local Contemporary Christian music station in the 80s. He's the Heavy Cream of radio voices. He did turn me on to a really good band called Daniel Amos and their oddball hit " Shotgun Angel", who I still love and listen to, despite me being Agnostic now. A bunch of Orange County artsy bands came up ariund that time.

@janglandis773

Жыл бұрын

Please, people. Do a spellcheck before you hit 'reply.'

Ignostic Humanist here. my interpretation of "you cannot be my disciple" is that he isn't saying you should. remember, even the gentiles love their families, while his audience is supposed to love their enemy. the key here is disciple, which means "student", from latin discere (to discover or learn), discipulus (student), disciplina (what is learned) etc. someone who hates everything doesn't really know its opposite, to love. so if love is the gospel, and you already know how, you don't need to be taught (and don't need to be a student or disciple). he's not telling you to hate anything. you can't teach someone something they already know.

Good point about the chapel. I'd say it hinders you from acting on the truth and exploring it I guess

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“We must not be ashamed of the mythical radiance resting on our theology. We must not be nervous about ‘parallels’ and ‘Pagan Christs’: they ought to be there-it would be a stumbling block if they weren’t. We must not, in false spirituality, withhold our imaginative welcome. If God chooses to be mythopoeic-shall we refuse to be mythopathic?” C.S. Lewis

Right now we're all genies in a bottle,and when the genie is trapped in the bottle,he is powerless,and that is this earth 3d realm. You're all regressed in 3d or human form,and when you finally rememberyou'll finally be free of this limited 3d realm only created by your mind.

Derek, Love your discussions and you have an amazing story. I only would like to say that there are many seminaries that delve deeply into the genesis of the scriptures (both Hebrew and Greek) and realize that there exists all the inherent problems of which your discussions speak of. It's not like many of us have our heads in the sand it's just what we do with that knowledge. For me there is another level to all these discussions which may not be tangible (and of no value in the academic sphere) but may answer why some continue to desire to delve into this mystery/ myth. You contribute to us in that journey and I thank you for it. Amazing guy; some might even say divine!😂 Thanks!

The truth was mythology all along thats why people ruled out mythology all this time and believed the lie that is christianity/offical history so for people to call the mafia christianity "mythology" is ignorant and wrong.

is this a re stream? I swear i have seen this already !?

Dan Wallace knows plainly that we can’t know exactly what the originals said and that they’re clearly written later than most Christian’s claim. His snafu with the 1st century Mark copy etc. also proves how eager he is to defend and push his narrative. Anyone who watched his debates with Ehrman can see clearly that he knows the problems but downplays them for his evangelical audience.

The problem with religion is not just what is being preached - it's more that people always want easy answers.

It’s sad when there’s more civil discourse about Bible context and etymology in unbelieving groups. I just get called a child of the devil for asking questions a

Why do people from 2000-6000 years ago believe so fervently in fantasy fairy tales? Do we do the same thing? Believing in gods and such? Has human evolution completely transformed us into superior beings compared to that time?

Didn't the serpent back in those days actually stand for wisdom and knowledge? Not something evil.

I read rumors of Nicene council having had knocked each other off, deaths, heard that anyone??

The resurrection is in reference to the sun which is resurrected on Christmas Day following the three day solstice (death) in the Southern Hemisphere where it was known there was a cross. Before sunrise the constellation Virgo rises and is there for the birth of the new sun. And three stars in Orion’s Belt called three kings point to the sunrise.

@lenniebarrere4586

11 ай бұрын

So it was said he was born of a Virgin and died on a cross!

We theoretically( Watched) Titanic sink yet 1000years from now people will say it can not be found therefore it never was !!!

Bro what are two punches?? Time stamps plzz

At 40:10 - "Couldn't a human have concocted the 10 commandments?" Yes, absolutely! All except the first four are to improve social harmony : 5 : Don't kill - it's antisocial 6 : Don't commit adultery - it's antisocial - especially if you get found out. 7 : Don't steal - it doesn't make for social harmony 8 : False witness - don't tell lies about other people - you'll get yourself in the same position as Donald Trump. 9 : Don't covet your neighbour's wife. You're setting yourself up for either adultery or a punch on the nose 10 : Don't covet your neighbour's _anything_ - same outcome as 9 When you think about it, they're all blindingly obvious. The first 4 commandments are just to get you to toe the line - keep your nose clean. 1 : Don't mess with God. (Graven image - I don't think that's much of a problem these days) 2 : Don't mess with God. (take his name in vain - blasphemy) 3 : Set aside one day a week to re-convince yourself about God. If you stay coinvinced, you'll stay in line. 4 : Obey your parents - God's deputies, who always like you to believe they would never do anything like the last 6 commandments. The first four are all through the Bible. Every time a prophet speaks, (Moses, Daniel, Samuel, David, etc) he never says "Now listen to what I'm telling you" - he says "Here are the words of the LORD" - in other words, it's not just me telling you this - it's the LORD. It's a way of making his message seem more important - and the first 4 commandments are exactly that. Yes, *_OF COURSE_* a human could have concocted them.

Bro you should cut up these vids into 10 parts ...release them 1 by 1 then release the entire interview afterwards

It's more difficult for a camel to go through a Eye of needle than a rich person enter into Heaven. meaning "Rich people can't inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Meaning if you only live for money and give not attention to your spirit, how can you expect to see into the Spirit. as per many parables told e. g Matt 22:12-14.

Concerning Luke 14:26 when Jesus says you must hate your families if you don’t,you can’t be my disciple: Mark 10:29 “Everyone who voluntarily forsakes home,relatives,or property for the sake of him and the gospel will receive 100x more in this life and in the world to come,eternal life” There are many Christians who face shunning,disowning,or persecution from from their families. If believers are to be true to Christ are forced to live in a way perceived as “hateful”towards their families who don’t believe in God,and we must show him preference over all earthly ties