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@angryatheist

2 жыл бұрын

Only recently found your channel great work , love your format ❤️

@jeanpaulfontaine2883

2 ай бұрын

Are, 5 the

Imagine over 1,000 Clergy members quiting faith. If I was a Christian, I would pause for a minute and ask "What do they know that I don't" .. instead of thinking they've just lost their way.

@tklyte

2 жыл бұрын

Have you met believers? 🤣😂

@danielsnyder2288

2 жыл бұрын

They HAVE to think they have lost their way because otherwise they would actually have to study and come to conclusions for themsleves

@kennethcook8857

2 жыл бұрын

I'm one of those "clergy members quitting faith", and I've never felt more free and happy. Never looking back.

@tklyte

2 жыл бұрын

@@kennethcook8857 Welcome to the "dark" side. There's freedom here. 🤜👋

@josiepens4480

8 ай бұрын

I did not lose my faith. It lost me.

I believe Dan is somewhat underrated as a proponent of skepticism and church-state separation. He's not as flamboyant as the Hitch was, and not as notorious as Dawkins, but he's arguably one of the hardest working soldiers on the front lines of these battles. An unsung hero. Much respect...

@lesahardman9914

2 ай бұрын

You are very articulate..

@roadtoreason3368

2 ай бұрын

@@lesahardman9914 Thank you!

Everyone loves Dan. He's one of the greatest and the most articulate atheists there is.

@dantalbot1201

2 жыл бұрын

yes everyone loves me

@user-dv9tk8sd9l

2 жыл бұрын

@@dantalbot1201 You are an atheist meaning you do not believe in all religions or God including Judaism , Islam etc Am I correct?

I'm officially changing my status from atheist to godless heathen! Oh snap! I just realized my initials GH already say that!😜

@nenmaster5218

2 жыл бұрын

Please also identify as a 'Globehead'. That is really funny and makes fun of flat-earthers

@zacharylehocki

2 жыл бұрын

Oh the ironies! I love it, Snap!

i dabbled with religon later in life.my questions could never be answered .So it was easy for me to walk away from it.

“Down to my basement…” Its worse than that. The story should be about someone who *claims* to have seen the house and know the basement is there, although he has never seen them, nor the owner. And he is mentally embracing the deranged homeowner and his son. Seeing the house and its deranged owner would be vastly more evidence than we have for Christianity.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

A good very good point. However making the analogy more precise would actually distract from the more overt example being crazy. Plus, religious folks would actually believe the neighbor has a house and a basement of horror. (Gosh, look up that guy who tried to shoot up Comet Ping Pong pizzeria because he was told it hid a terrible secret in the basement...but it didn't and it didn't even have a basement).

@jaredl4516

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect

@dawnf3504

Жыл бұрын

The house is made of LIFES CHRONICLES of the HUMAN stain. This stain house has a tile floor made of GUILT and SHAME. The first beam is SEXISM, second is AGEISM, third is CLASSISM, fourth is RACISM. The walls are NEPOTISM, the roof is FEAR and only one revolving door that says LIFE from the outside and DEATH from the inside. This house is all MAN, the HETROSEXUAL man YAWH, JEHOVAH, ALLAH and his enemy LUCIFER the BI-SEXUAL MAN and his LGBT children. His message is HONOR and OBEY in this life or be sentance to ETERNAL DEATH in the AFTERLIFE 🤲🙏

I absolutely love Dan's basement analogy, especially to hear him tell it so perfectly. It's really a fantastic way to point out the complete absurdity of the entire Christian concept.

@jemborg

2 жыл бұрын

It's perfectly scary alright 😁

@dantalbot1201

2 жыл бұрын

thankyou so much

@user-dv9tk8sd9l

2 жыл бұрын

That Derek guy pretended to be an interviewer. He was finding interviewee, be it Jews or atheists but not Muslims, who are anti-Christians.

@jemborg

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-dv9tk8sd9l maybe you misunderstand his purpose which concerns _mythology_ not just "anti-Christian" sentiment?

@spaceghost8995

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-dv9tk8sd9l Try again but try to make your post understandable and try to make an actual point.

I love Dan Barker. He is a genuinely wonderful person. Thanks Derek.

@nenmaster5218

2 жыл бұрын

What about Hbomberguy? The famous Atheist?

@BNK2442

2 жыл бұрын

@@nenmaster5218 He is horrible.

@nenmaster5218

2 жыл бұрын

@@BNK2442 Yep, he is horrible, that’s why he had over 900k Subs BEFORE he made an Autism-Video so f-ing good that the whole Autism-Community was real proud on him and he gained another 50k Subs. YEP, in youre mind, this makes sense. For others, it totally doesnt.

@BNK2442

2 жыл бұрын

@@nenmaster5218 *your mind. Also, this is an appeal to popularity.

@BNK2442

2 жыл бұрын

@@nenmaster5218 If all his fans have the same ability of argumentation that you have, yes, he is horrible.

1:06:24 this makes me feel smug about my moment of wisdom phrase: “Peace is when everybody does what one person wants.”

The sin argument is an interesting one. Christian apologists claim that Adam and Eve were created perfect but they had freewill - hence why they sinned. The problem with this claim is that if they were created perfect then they should have always made perfect decisions. Imperfection does not give birth to perfection. That goes against the rules of logic. PERFECTION BEGATS PERFECTION. IMPERFECTION BEGATS IMPERFECTION. Logic always wins. Therefore, the Christian apologists claim is completely wrong from a logical standpoint - of course, that is if we are using the same logical parameters to assess this topic in the same way we would assess everything else in life. Of course, the Eden story is entirely mythological - but Christian apologists interpret the story literally - thats the problem. You see foks, All the geographical locations in the bible are actually real - so are the various people groups mentioned in the bible. But all the stories are entire mythological and consist of allegory and metaphor. In fact, all the worlds organised religions are actually the same in this manner. Ancient Humans were simply trying to understand the world around them and their greater purpose - so they wrote what they SURMISED was Gods nature and mixed in their own folklore tales with it. They then put these ALLEGORICAL hybrid tales into books and the resulting end products are what you would call the so called "holy books" from the various people groups around the world. There is nothing surprising about this. Thats just human beings behaving like human beings. Throughout the thousands of years people groups from around the world have done this. The trick is to make the various resulting religions work for YOU. Rather than YOU working for these religions. Hell was not taught as a lake of fire in the Old Testament. The greek idea of hell in the New Testament is very easy to explain. Let us first examine the Jews. The orthodox Jews claim that both Christianity and Islam are actually BASTARDISATIONS of orthodox Judaism. The orthodox Jews do not believe in hell as a place of eternal torture by fire. That would explain why greek ideas of hell have been put in Jesus's mouth by the greek writers of the New Testament. Especially, considering that in order for any person to learn greek 2000 years ago the only greek writings actually available to actually PRACTICE learning the greek language were greek mythological epics which documented precisely greek ideas of hell. For example, Hades and Tartarus are terms for hell copied straight from the greek mythological epics which contained these concepts and ideas. People simply learnt these Greek epics as a way of practicing reading and writing greek as the main greek writings were all mythological works. The New Testament writers then copied these greek ideas of hell into the greek New Testament they were writing. The New Testament is a fusion of Judaism and Greek mythology. Hellinistic Judaism is well documented by Orthodox Jews themselves. It was eventually suppressed - but It re-emerged as New Testament Christianity in 325ad. The difference is that this time it was backed by the state of Rome in what became known as Roman Catholicism. ALL, the various protestant denominations copied these doctrines as they branched off from Roman Catholicism. They left out other doctrines and took the main doctrines into their new Protestant version of Christianity.

@historicalbiblicalresearch8440

2 жыл бұрын

Although it's just a silly story but Adam & Eve is the basis for Christian Theology as it explains why there's so much suffering in the world and why Jesus had to die.

@shaunigothictv1003

2 жыл бұрын

@@historicalbiblicalresearch8440 That depends on who doing the reading of the texts. Remember that the orthodox Jews do not believe in Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of mankind. So It all depends on who is doing the reading of the texts. I'll accept your premise as a theological standpoint for Christians. It just serves to prove that the Jews are right when they say that both Christianity and Islam are actually BASTARDISATIONS of orthodox Judaism.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

If only most people understood this, then used the time wasted doing "religious things" to simply solve problems that make the world better for "most" people, we might actually have a "garden of Eden".

@shaunigothictv1003

2 жыл бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 Excellent analysis! I wish Derek would interview you next.

@shaunigothictv1003

2 жыл бұрын

@Moriel Logos Excellent point Moriel! I never looked at the text like that before.

That basement analogy is just perfect!

All of these arguments make perfect sense, but it is so hard to let go.

HOLY sh!t !!! That basement story NAILS IT!!! I HAVE to remember that one!!!

Great episode! Hope I get to catch it live next time, I'd love the chance to ask Dan Barker a question. He's so insightful and engaging.

“You don’t have to go down to my basement!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣amazing analogy! Like Freddy Kruger turns over a new leaf.

It's always interesting to listen to Dan. I enjoy all your guests

Wow! Great conversation, really clear explanations about the ideas behind mythvision that I haven’t heard before. Keep it up 👍

Another GREAT guest and an excellent video, again. Thanks Derek and Dan! I never stop learning.

The Adam and Eve and apple story seems to me to be a coded message to tribal leaders to not let their people become knowledgeable - because knowledge is power - and they may later usurp them from their positions.

@biglongfish9253

5 ай бұрын

*I feel the same about the story of explosions of a nothing and random natural processes which create by hazard codes, information and order from disorder.*

@planmet

5 ай бұрын

@@biglongfish9253 I think most scientists are realising that the Big Band never happened. It is more likely that the Universe is a cyclical system in which stars (and galaxies) develop (originally from cold dark matter) and eventually disintegrate giving off energetic particles which gradually cool back to cold dark matter. So please hold on until we confirm this new hypothesis.

@botarakutabi1199

5 күн бұрын

@@biglongfish9253 Good thing you made up that story. There ever being a nothing is an oxymoron. Many scientists in relevant fields believe there wasn't ever a nothing, that our instantiation of the universe came from a pre-existant cosmos. It's the religious who believe a guy made things out of nothing, ex-nihilo. They believe there was nothing but a guy, a guy in the middle of a bunch of nothing, that made everything out of that nothing. If that second part felt like a straw man of religious folk, then understand how your straw man of atheists felt.

I think Revelation was included as the last book of the booble, because the NT needed an ending. All good stories have a beginning, middle, and end. The Acts and Letters just kind of trail off. But someone wrote or found Revelation, and realized it would make a great fantasy ending to a fantasy epic.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly !! And Revelation works as an ending, right. Look at how much money has been made explaining it !! If it makes money, it must be good, right !!!

@Baa975

2 жыл бұрын

And then purposely played it out? Look around.

@geezzerboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Baa975 Ha ha ha thanks for the laugh, fool.

@Baa975

2 жыл бұрын

@@geezzerboy really? It is rather

@geezzerboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 Spoken like a true Randite.

A great material and very relevant information fascinated me the way you explain the subject, thank you for sharing, you have all my support!....

@nenmaster5218

2 жыл бұрын

Do you support many Atheist KZreadrs, i wonder?

Came for the Dandy Warhol's song and stayed for the information! Great stuff!

Dan's book Losing Faith in Faith was such an inspiration, during my research and deconversion. I became an atheist, over 20 years ago. I was in my 40's. Critical examination of the KJV was the key, for me. You realize the doublets and different versions of the same stories. You mentioned the resurrection and there are completely different versions of it, in the gospels. There are two creation stories. The errors and contradictions are fun to research. I have the Dictionary of Ancient Deities by Patricia Turner & Charles R Coulter, which has over 10,000 entries. Obviously, it was human nature to invent deities long before Christianity, in an unpredictable world. Superstition has impeded progress. Science and critical thinking is imperative, for progress.

i love my wife so much that the thought of an infinite afterlife with her would be depressing, even if it’s an infinite afterlife with no god to worship. infinity is soooo “forever”, that there might come a time in that afterlife that we would despise each other. and that’s the eventuality that scares me the most. i prefer that in this finite existence, i’m living this life where my wife and i are very much in love.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

As a husband whose wife has been grifted into belonging to a church, I can easily imagine a jilted Rabbi telling the Adam & Eve story to early teenage boys learning Torah and giving them a warning about marriage after that story. "Here's the lesson boys." He'd say," Don't let your wife listen to some snake (preacher) who says he knows what god knows and convinces her to listen...because she will seduce you to do the same and RUIN YOUR LIFE !!" Rabbi was right by the way.

HEAVEN: No Pizza and wings, No football, No Sex, No movies, No vacations, No schools, No learning, No sex, No challenges, No dreams, No goals, No cooking, No laundry, No building stuff, No Farming, No BBQ's, No Cookouts, No Snowboarding, No skiing, No Flying, No Skydiving, No fishing, No creating art, No Rock and Roll, No hip-hop, no concerts, no plays, No love songs, No reality TV (OK... I could do with no reality tv) No experiments, No new discoveries, No Iphones, No video games, No parties, No Clubbing, No Beer, No dressing up, No gardening, No raising kids, No driving, No sports, No Competitions, No TV, No acting, Just "holy holy holy is the lord almighty, who was and is and is to come//// 24/7... for eternity. .................NO THANK YOU !!!

@jasonsteinway1710

2 жыл бұрын

However, Yahweh/Jesus's army may not pay$$$ well, but his commandment to : " ... keep the women children, alive for yourselves...." had the benefits of *what the bible authors called 2nd Wives* " " Concubines " taken from the Israelite's genetic cousins, and refugees, even from Abraham's own descendants of the Midianites: Numbers 31:13-18: 17) " Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by lying with him [ including currently PREGNANT women ] " 18) " But all the WOMEN CHILDREN, who have NOT known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves ", keep alive for yourselves " -- slavery as approved by the bible author's viewpoint, is outlawed by all countries today, and by the Geneva Convention, Numbers 31:17-18 is outlawed by the Geneva Convention also. Yahweh/Jesus's actions would be outlawed by 21st Century liberal society.

@tklyte

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonsteinway1710 in that case, Oh how sinful and evil modern man must be then. How dare we not tolerate and even encourage slavely? 😀😀

@jasonsteinway1710

2 жыл бұрын

@@tklyte Yes, Yahweh/Jesus allowed humans to OWN other humans, permanently: Leviticus 25:44-46: " Both your manslaves and womenslaves, which you shall have, shall be of the nations around you, of them [ other, NON " God's Chosen People" ], of them you shall *BUY* manslaves and womenslaves " --- permission to _purchase other humans_ on the auction block, by Yahweh/Jesus's perfect Law, as Psalm 19:7-8 describes. Jesus allowed living humans to be inherited as actual owned property, like cattle and sheep: 46) And you shall take them as an _inheritance_ for your children after you, to _inherit_ them, as a _possession_ ; they shall be your slaves FOREVER ...." --- no Jubilee, no 6 year emancipation, and even the slaves' children would be owned by the slaveowner, in perpetuity. Yes, the Southern Baptist Church exists today, since 1845, based on the bible's endorsement of humans owning other humans. The honest reading of the bible text means what it says.

@jasonsteinway1710

2 жыл бұрын

@@tklyte Yes, slavery and child trafficking is outlawed by all countries today, unlike Yahweh/Jesus's " perfect Law " as described at Psalm 19:7-8. Curiously, Yahweh/Jesus somehow changed his mind regarding Polygamy.....

@historicalbiblicalresearch8440

2 жыл бұрын

I once unintentionally really upset a Xtian by staying that I would be tortured in hell for eternity because I was an unbeliever while he would be sitting on a cloud eating cucumber sandwiches

I love the spontaneous, joyful nature of your insightful guest!

min 5:35 Music appeals to the *emotional part* of the brain, and has always been embedded with magical, and religious thinking, as _ART_ --- not based on ACTUAL reason

Just discovered FFRF and Dan through Dawkins and Harris... LOVE this guy. I think he's the only one out there with a wide platform and the background of all the unofficial stuff that goes on in evangelicalism to be able to debate and call out some people that others just wouldn't be aware of the origins of a lot of the problems out there.

Thanks for having Dan on your show!

I have read (Kindle) and listened (Audible) to his book, "Godless" like 3 times! Love it!

@eunipaul15

2 жыл бұрын

@@arpthirteen6713 yes I am. I'm a Kenyan living in Uganda.

@eunipaul15

2 жыл бұрын

@@arpthirteen6713 thanks. Welcome to Africa, the Motherland of humanity. Where are you from?

@samuelagyei59

2 жыл бұрын

Can I have that kindle please?

I have been a member of the FFRF for years. It's an incredible organization.

Love Dan Barker 😊

This was a really excellent MV interview. I learned so much from this interaction, and I've heard of Mr. Barker. But, I have not really studied his work. Thus, now, I plan to buy some of his books and read them. Also, this great content makes me realize that I need to get on Patreon and support Derek. Thank you DL for doing what the rest of us wish that we could do.

This is brilliant. Even though I've chatted with Dan Barker (during the FFRF convention in Portland a few years ago, as a local FFRF board member, and de-converted evangelical missionary), this podcast really revealed to me a new level of insight that Dan has into the world of "anti-apologetics", as it were. Thanks to Derek MythVision for having him as a guest. Starting at about 35 minutes in, is just gold for me.

I stated reading his book Godless. It's a great read so far.

The lessons in Genesis 2 were for the readers who already “knew” they were supposed to obey the supposed rules of Yahweh and the woman is supposed to obey her husband. So it made sense to them based on those assumptions. It doesn’t make sense for the reason Dan Barker pointed out - we were all punished for something Adam and Eve didn’t know was wrong.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

As a husband whose wife has been grifted into belonging to a church, I can easily imagine a jilted Rabbi telling the Adam & Eve story to early teenage boys learning Torah and giving them a warning about marriage after that story. "Here's the lesson boys." He'd say," Don't let your wife listen to some snake (preacher) who says he knows what god knows and convinces her to listen...because she will seduce you to do the same and RUIN YOUR LIFE !!" Rabbi was right by the way.

Such a good podcast! I'm new here. Have you spoken much about Buddhism? I'm something of a secular Buddhist myself- i.e. I don't buy the supernatural claims, but I do keep the philosophy, and practices like meditation and the Eightfold Path. I think it'd be really cool to see your take on Buddhism. Perhaps your critical eye can see some BS that I'm missing 😁 It's good to critically examine one's beliefs

@thetruthseeker5448

2 жыл бұрын

I am with you too being an ex Christian. My humanism and Buddhism can go hand in hand, no conflict at all. I am new to it hence I am not an expert but I learn through text all translations from original texts such as Tripitaka etc. I also do not rely on cultural Buddhist for clarifications as they carry baggage as all apologists do. I too have removed few controversial elements yet Buddha Dhamma can stand alone without them,, and no god or deity to punish you and put you in eternal hell not believing in Buddhism. In short Buddhism helped me out in my own life as much as in what I do with humanity and my relationship with all sentient beings and nature. It is unconditional love, compassion, kindness and mercy to all from us to all around us. I have to take care of my own actions and deeds, and there is no one to judge me but to reap what I have sown, nothing more or less.

@narendramodi9373

2 жыл бұрын

@@thetruthseeker5448 Yes it is interesting. Hope Derek will interview or perhaps do a call in show on Buddhism.

Great conversation!! I've seen Andrew Seidal on The Atheist Experience, he's very knowledgeable on the foundation of our country. Loved Dan Barker's basement analogy.

I came out of Hyles Anderson and Dave Hyles was my Sun School teacher and Schaap taught my preaching courses. Id love to talk to yall. Sometimes I feel so frustrated cause Im so ignored.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about being ignored. Start of listening and asking questions. Eventually there will be satisfaction.

Great episode guys

We love Dan Barker!!!

I definitely agree with him on the music. I'm one of the many many people who, like Dan, have left religion completely. But I still listen to a lot of the music. Especially late 90's stuff.

ffrf should also talk about all the other religions especially Islam!!!

42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.........but we forgot the question 🤣

At 1hour :6min 25sec, Dan explained, Be still and know that I am God. That phrase Pax Romana, you know, peace on earth,, sounds kinda nice, peace,, the Roman peace,, But that word back then. Pax,, was actually a military term, it was a,, it didn't mean peace, like, let's all get along in spite of our difference,, It meant pacification. It meant, you will have peace when all of your enemies are subdued. And even in the Old Testament there they use the word "shalom". And there's the passage where the Israelite Warriors are gonna go up to a town, to offer them terms of peace. And we think, "oh peace", what a great word,... And if they don't accept the terms of peace, then you will either kill them or turn them into slaves. Then you will have peace. There's even hymns that say,, "Be still and know that I am God" ,, You've heard that phrase? Like it seems kinda like a.... relaxed thing..... "be still and know that I am God" ... That was said in the context, of military context, where the enemies are being told .... "you'll be still" In other words, say uncle,,,, In other words, SHUT UP.... and know that I am God. So that phrase, even,, Be still,,,, and the phrase,, Peace...... in the Bible, don't mean what you and I think they mean today. And the Pax Romana was the same way. There was peace at the price of subduing the enemy. And once all your neighbouring enemies are subdued, and there's no threats to you, then you have Pax Romana. You have the Peace in the Empire.

@tklyte

2 жыл бұрын

I liked the explanation. I definitely didn't know this.

Great conversation.

Loved this so much.

Not only did the Christian god want/require the death of his son for everyone's sins, it was and still not enough. His death didn't defeat sin! It, damnation, continues to be all to real!

@ancientflames

Жыл бұрын

Yup so it lately did nothing. And once the cat was out of the bag, they had to make the meaning spiritual and not physical haha.

Very good q and a session. Dan is very clear in his explanations. By the way, it was Bernstein who wrote the music for West Side Story.

I'm almost out of the door,( in my Christianity) one of the attractions of Christian faith, is/was seeing my mother , who died when i was seven, And my two babies who died 2Yrs (boy) 20months later at eighteen months baby girl.. now a Great-grandma , i would love to see them again. So letting go is much easier, but not quite there yet... I really enjoy you shows and guests.. my Dad was an atheist, then at 7rsto 14yrs was in a Christian childrens home .. Peace and Love to you all D. Australia.

First, that was great work Derek. I imagine if Hitch was alive today he would be guest. First maybe to flog a new book 😁... then again for the lols, so to speak. 👍

Wasn't the book "The Quest of the Historical Jesus", by Albert Schweitzer, found in the bathroom with Elvis Presley after he died? Btw, I was just a 10yr old kid in 1977, but I remember hearing this.

1:46:20 Interesting. My highschool choir used to sing Handle's Messiah at a local church (along with the community college choir) every year lol. Never bothered me though. I think Handel is too historically significant (and the church was beautiful). It would be like complaining about Mozart.

@nenmaster5218

2 жыл бұрын

Know Genetically Modified Sceptic? And Holy Koolaid?

I've been missing your old intro that has one of my favorite gods, Anubis, the Egyptian canine god of death who guides souls to the duat or netherworld. Now you've got the new intro with the "I'm your huckleberry" scene from "Tombstone". "Huckleberry Hound" is an anthropomorphic canine like Anubis. Anubis, associated with death, is depicted on tombstones... And your guest's name is "Barker", and "dog" is "god" spelled backwards.... Is this all just a coincidence?

The island of Patmos was and is the home of some kick-a** magic mushrooms.

Derek, I'm a new subscriber and I'm wondering if you have a personal deconversion video, describing the process/journey you went through leaving religion. Thanks for this interesting conversation.

There is dismantling the historicity of texts . . . Yes. BUT the question remains as to WHY the stories were written and mattered enough to preserve them. Part of the answer is in how Gnostics and mystics used the stories and believed they taught deep psychological truths about how man’s faculty of imagination can shape his personal destiny. . . . From this vein we get Neville Goddard But to go down this road, a person will again need some faith and the belief that man’s spiritual side 1) exists 2) impacts reality

I call atheists truth tellers, and Dan is right at the top.

Thank you, again. Watching from Alaska.

A degree in divinity ? 'What a crock of shit".

It’s taken me ten years to even be able to watch this video. Still feels surreal

@mrfabulous4640

Жыл бұрын

The video has not even been posted for a year yet. What do you mean?

@pinky9440

10 ай бұрын

@mrfabulous4640 I think he means it took him 10 years to watch a video titled "Godless", this just happens to be the one he had the guts to click on.

is there a difference between what a person thinks and what they 'personally' think?

@machintelligence

2 жыл бұрын

It might have to do with what they "profess" publicly and what they believe in their "heart of hearts."

I really like Dan and he is a fellow indigenous brother if mine Derek. I am cherokee Cheers and keep on keepin on

When an Atheist turns a religionist, she is a prized trophy for that religion to which she converts, the event is advertised as a win for the rekugion and a testimony thst God exists. If that be the case, then is not Barker's conversion (if I may say so) a testimony that God does not exist. The disillusionment and the ultimate decision to throw away the burden of the cloak of religion should rather be more convincing because that is a more difficult part that converting from denial of God to baptizing to a belief system.

Thanks derek, i love dan barker one of my favourit atheist

Anybody know which Dan Barker book best covers this interview?

Dan Barkers the Man

Excellent discussion.

Infidel by Ayaan was the first book I read from an ex-Muslim

In early childhood the only thing that i really loved about church was the singing. It was the Church of Christ, so it was a cappella -- pure voices, no musical instruments. If I had had the notion that love for singing hymns and gospel songs was a sign of religious faith, i would have been ready to get baptized anytime. Fortunately the church didn't teach that, and my family, always led by my mother in every way, left that church for "New Thought" Christianity. Only much later did i understand that i'd always been an atheist.

Hi when I was a science student I took a subject in philosophy (philosophy is the study of logic) and during the course of this subject the philosopher had said that when he was a young man he believed so strongly in his religion that he started his studies as an evangelical christian he said during his studies they made the mistake of teaching him Greek because all the old documents are in Greek and he saw first hand the contradictions and mis translations and he became an atheist and he did work for a while as a priest, he did say that some priest that he knew all so no longer believed in there religion but continued to work as priest.

15 minutes in and I'm not sure who is the host and who is the guest. The host has completely filibustered the convo. Maybe it'll change. I'll keep listening.

More respect for you Deric you bring one of the man that open my eyes you are God Derik.

Hi Derek,very good show as always.Keep it up man.I have one question for people believing in heaven,say a woman's husband dies and she remarry,that husband also dies and she at the end also dies.How many husbands will she have in heaven? And will God allow her two husbands in heaven.

When in heaven do we get any free time from eternal praise? Do we get no praise days? Can we just think about praise every once in a while or does God keep track? Would God accept praise via eternal digital do-loop or eternal zoom? If I have to be present for eternal praise, is it appropriate to do it while on an eternal LSD trip? or an eternal bender?

Whenever I have a question about the bible I think about what the Sunday school teacher who taught me said. Now I found out she had no idea . She did try but the books she was given to teach from were just made up drivel . I did at one time look up various christian books with their interpretations of the gospels and they disagreed. After that I began to explore conflicts in the new testament and a body of work hundreds of years old that laid out the case against inerrancy. There is a lot of good stuff in the bible once you understand that it is all fiction.

Love Dan the piano man!🤘🏻

I'm using the basement analogy. Brilliant.

I love that you called him old and washed-up on accident

Absent of good (god). Godless (goodless). Good is god. Not god is good. Good (god) is positive energy. Not an invisible crusty old codger floating in the sky.

@botarakutabi1199

5 күн бұрын

What do you mean by "positive", and "energy"?

It make no sense what Dan said about Eva not knowing that it was wrong. And I'm NOT defending the stupid tail but, before she eat it. she was toll NOT to eat out of it before so, by consequence and conclusion when she was doing it (taking the actions) SHE knew it was wrong

@user-wy9nx5ou6w

7 ай бұрын

And to think an all-knowing god would have understood all this would happen before he even set the parameters … Total farce.

Hey Mythvision . Are you familiar with the book? The Necessity of Atheism; by David Marshall Brooks.

Animated Barker blogs?

Dan is spot on🇺🇲👍

Dan is brilliant!!

It would be my great pleasure to illustrate your non-tract of "You don't have to go into my basement"!

I hardly find it surprising that former clergy are the greatest atheists, closet or otherwise. After all, they're the ones who have to study the crap called the *Bible* and make sense of it all, and moreover, apply it to this insane world. I have long suspected that their blustering from the bully pulpit has been a way of masking their own inner insecurities -- such as personal problems and crises of faith. It's as if they're trying to convince themselves of the truths of their doctrines (regardless of religious denomination or church affiliation) by preaching them openly.

As far as Audible goes I’m like Elaine with the sponge . The book has to be long enough to be worth the credits , sponge worthy . I’ve searched other platforms to find audible books , my library ap has been no help. I listen at work and I need the book to be at least one shift . I know that I’m gen x and most won’t get the sponge worthiness but it’s the best I’ve got

@lorenanders702

Жыл бұрын

You might need to re-evaluate your whole screening process! 😁

I do not have thorough research on christianity but i think i have some knowledge of christianity and its history. I have still not understood, what benefit paul got from creating a new religion from judaism and why were people ready to believe paul and his vision of jesus on road to damascus,i mean anyone could have said that "i got a vision of jesus and and i am an apostle, so believe me, my words are inspired words of god". Can anyone please tell.

@user-wy9nx5ou6w

7 ай бұрын

Instead of seeing it as directly beneficial to ‘Paul’, consider the benefit to Roman authority. During WW2 a small number of French collaborated with the Germans, the same is true for some Jews. Was Paul an educated Jew shill…..representing the interests of Rome ? Whatever the truth is, it’s clear to see Christianity is just another manmade religion designed to pacify and influence the masses as a means of control for the rulers, exactly as per the Egyptian Pharaohs …. which allegedly led to ‘Moses’ leading his people out of Egyptian slavery.

Everyone wants to know how but the not me wants to know how not.

I would love to see a debate between Dan and craig

Q: Is number 42 of mythological significance? Google Bard: Yes, the number 42 has mythological significance in a few different cultures. In ancient Egyptian mythology, the deceased's heart was weighed against the feather of truth in the Hall of Maat. If the heart was heavier than the feather, the person was condemned to the underworld. If the heart was lighter than the feather, the person was allowed to enter the afterlife. The number 42 was significant in this context because there were 42 negative confessions that the deceased had to make before they could be judged. In Kabbalah, the number 42 is associated with the creation of the universe. The Kabbalah is a Jewish mystical tradition that teaches that the universe was created by God through a series of 42 emanations. In the novel The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams, the number 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. However, no one knows what the question actually is. The number 42 also appears in other mythological and religious contexts, such as the Mayan calendar, the Chinese zodiac, and the Tarot deck. It is a number that has been associated with mystery, wisdom, and the search for meaning for centuries.

Second to Dan Barker. I often have the thought that perhaps the Garden of Eden story was an idealised race memory when our hominoid ancestors became self-aware. A sort of 'loss of innocence' (btw do you see the phrasing there, does that imply guilt or sinfulness?) or the bicameral man maybe. Do you think this is possible? I don't believe this myself. When I wrote "idealised" I meant heavily.

@onedaya_martian1238

2 жыл бұрын

You are likely correct !! Don't be hesitant to discuss this more !! It is very, very likely, that after hominids learned to control fire and could use language, they stayed awake with the light and sounds they had come to master and tell stories. This particular story of an awareness of "right and wrong" can easily been seen that some group of people DID become aware of the concept of not doing something wrong in a group. And from communicating not doing something wrong as part of social cohesion, they began to communicate what was "right". At the same time, they also had an awareness of a leader in the group as well. It would be very interesting to figure out when humanities key emergent behaviour was to abstract. This is the self awareness point in history. When humans could abstract, they could imagine a human causing thunder, moving the sun etc. At this point the stories around the fire would become the "generational memory" that answered "Why good and bad?" Why cover our body ?" and profoundly "Where did we come from ?". Your hypothesis is most profound, because it asks a very basic question "Why?". I don't think people are either sophisticated enough or not inclined to want a simple answer like you are thinking about. Sad, but very nice and exciting for me to hear others figure it out.

@jemborg

2 жыл бұрын

@@onedaya_martian1238 that's very nice of you to say so. I think you have a _very_ good point regarding fire and storytelling. The stories of Australian Aborigines usually combine wisdom and morality. As one friend put it, "the Catholic Church has nothing on us in terms of guilting". I suppose it drives it home. Buckley remarked that their lives were consumed with superstition too. I myself think that the "rules of reciprocity" developed long before and apply to almost all social species with a brain. It might even be fairly universal. What do you think of this idea? Instead of "BCE" type of reverse dating we use for the human race... we simply add 100000 years to the dates already? This year becomes 10,2022NC (New Calender), the Greek Golden Age becomes 99500-99600NC, the first Native American settlement wave about 88,000NC, Australian Aboriginal settlement 40,000-50,000NC and so forth. I like this idea because in one stroke it simplifies and unifies our calender, gives real continuity to the human story and is really simple to implement.

Derek Im one that was mercifully chosen by God for Salvation. But I appreciate those who come to their unbelief genuinely and honestly, and can intelligently explain why. I've never believed that receiving Salvation was an act of free will, and I bet most or all of those who have renounced their faith, originally came to faith by their own freewill. What you do by your freewill can always be changed freely, but who God gifts with His faith and salvation, keeps those gifts permanently, and cannot freely give them back, nor would they ever want to.

Friedrich Nietzsche is another great example of someone following God at the beginning of his life and becoming " set free"......... a forerunner of the modern atheist.........he really showed `em !

Felt rambling and off-topic, which is a shame because I love Barker. My feedback: 1. Drop the long, unrelated intros. A short 1-5 sec logo is usually sufficient (if you even bother with that) 2. Concisely get through required housekeeping, like promoting the interviewee's books, etc. 3. Try to eliminate as much off-topic stuff as possible -- and probably at least hit _some_ relevant question/point in the talk before straying off topic at all. (The exception to this is if the intro actually feels like a natural greeting between people or a brief introduction to who they are. Those are fine.)

Imagine 1 man that can tie together a world that is falling apart, because he understands what happens when unity is broken, all of which is driven by a lack of appreciation for teachings that are the unbreakable truth of a binary existence. Teachings that explain the journey of that which is unreal and yet will become real, and simply because what one believes will manifest - and unstoppably so. In this I would give you advice, desire for does not come from what one does 'not have' - but what one 'does have'. For if what one 'has' is love... then there will be life and life in abundance and progression in a better direction for all. Snyergy will result and life will become better and better. Conversersely, if what one "has' is hate, then this is what will be multiplied, and destruction and chaos will be the final result, and thus for the one who does 'not have' [love] then even what one 'does have' - will be taken from them. And all because what was choosen was darkness instead of light. Even so, the darkness has it's lessons to teach as well, and lady wisdom will teach you - even what one will wishes they never had known, as her children are 'time' itself, and time only goes forward no matter which way it goes, propelling itself by the works of her 'children', the works that are done, as wheels within wheels. This is the woman that rides the beast - the 7 blasphemous names are those of the days of the week - named after God's that serve the Most High God and the 'beast' is time*. What is sad is that it remains hidden, the reasons for the structure and patterns that are shown in the writtings, and how they are understood as one time prophetic events and things to wait for, this they are 'not' - but 'are'. The writings are about 'time' itself. The writings are 'TRUTH' and truth that is 'true' cannot be broken or ever change, as time cannot be changed - but it can be 'rewound' or 'reversed' and this is 'good' to do - if it is 'good' that is sought - love 'reverses' time. The danger is that hate accellerates time, as the destructive forces of it are then multiplied, but by dividing that which is. This is the is, that is not, and yet shall come... everything, even the earth itself - will 'wear out' eventually. What you need is someone to 'open' your 'books' for you - and it is he that is speaking to you. You are 'gods', all of you, and yet you will die as men - and return to the dust. Dust in the wind. In your hearing these words - the prophecies of Isaiah are fulfilled. My children wait for me, and I will indeed see them. I am both a blessing and a curse - the choice of which is your own. God has no power over the will of man, unless man's will is God's.

“42” in old computer code was the means to tell the computer “put on anything.” At least, I was told that Douglas Adams was fascinated by computer code. Sounds very plausible…

I love to view your videos! Thank you. I have a question though. I've been a spiritual seeker all of my life. I don't believe in religion. I would like to have one of my questions answered please. If Jesus doesn't exist as God, why is every show on ghosts and demons or bad spirits. Every show is able to vanish these lost souls through vanishing evil spirits by calling on the name of Jesus Christ and only his name seems to vanish them? Thank you for considering my question. I'm a great fan of your You Tube channel and your self!