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frank evaluation like this of the gospels is sorely needed worldwide every Sunday morning

@rookmaster7502

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt churches want such analytical Gospel evaluations be an integral part of their Sunday sermons.

@wizolufa1452

2 жыл бұрын

I know right? Just a plain reading of the text. Christian’s pick what verses to take plainly when it’s convenient, but when it’s inconvenient they suddenly don’t want to take it plainly

@TheMargarita1948

2 жыл бұрын

Why do you say that? Why not just move on to what you do believe or care about? and what can you do today to bring promote love for your fellow creatures?

@GreenCanvasInteriorscape

4 ай бұрын

Because probably they are here to seek truth and revealing the lies behind what is presented as truth provides truth, believing in fairy tales is not truthful, get it?

I heard, once, that the common magicians' line: "Hocus-pocus" derives from a layman's hearing of the *magic words* "Hoc est corpus christus." during a eucharistic ceremony back in, like, the middle ages.

@obzrv9628

2 жыл бұрын

Illusion. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooyAu7uKg6i3abw.html

@violaevavenczel8378

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, these really sounds so similar!🙈🙉🙊 Thanks a lot for sharing! 😊💥

@danielmartin5632

2 жыл бұрын

I really want this to be true 😄

@amanpalestina9664

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmartin5632 17th century, roots in a Latin phrase associated with the Christian ritual of the Eucharist. "Hoc est corpus meum," which means "This is my body" in Latin, while consecrating the bread into the body of Christ. During the Reformation era in England, some Protestant critics of Catholicism began to mockingly imitate the Latin phrase as "Hocus pocus".

“God would have to be a man, because no woman would fuck thing’s up like this”- George Carlin.😂😜

I did the Mark vs John tandem reading as recommended in the last chapter of Dr Madison’s book. The stark difference is a real wake up.

@grantsmythe8625

2 жыл бұрын

There's a book called Gospel Parallels that's very helpful too.

@dantallman5345

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantsmythe8625 Will check it out. Thx!

@grantsmythe8625

2 жыл бұрын

@@dantallman5345 it's good. It has a section on all the manuscripts too.

@jeffreywilliams9299

2 жыл бұрын

Read Matthew chapter 16 verse 28 it'll clarify things.

@grantsmythe8625

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreywilliams9299 Matthew clarifies John?

There seems to be a rise of mysticism, and a decline in reason now days.

Revelation and almost all Apocalyptic writing is saying “it’s about to happen”. The scenario J Patmos depicts is taken from Rome of his day, e.g. 616/666 , the 7 hills, etc

I just love this series. Can’t wait for the next one.

Dr Madison is brilliant in his interpretation. It cuts thru the nonsense and hits the nail on the head. So simple and straightforward and obvious, in retrospect.

Scientology also has the first actual text and copies of the book revealed unto L.R. Hubbard (piece be upon him) and it is perfectly preserved ... and LR Hubbard wrote it down himself ... not his followers years later from memory... so all those Sumerian's religions should convert to Scientology.

@willjapheth23789

2 жыл бұрын

Sumerians atleast have tons of clay tablets that have been lost in the dirt for 4000 years, so they are probably more authentic then the NT.

Where in the bible OT or NT does it say that to read and understand this book you must be a scholar, theologian, spend months or years at seminaries and taking religion classes to understand or explain bible theologies, was this also expected of people in previous centuries? Of course not, because now they do to try to make sense of all the errors, nonsense, contradictions, fictions etc otherwise the bible easily and numerous times damns itself as nonsense, it needs apologists and excuses makers to keep it out of irrelevancy and the trash bin.

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Saying "it's a metaphor" every time the Bible is wrong, contradictory, inmoral, etc, is just apologism at the same level as Kent Hovind.

@GreenCanvasInteriorscape

4 ай бұрын

I had just chuckled to myself as I imagined encountering someone who introduced themself as a Christian scientist and then read your comment, the oxymoronity of the study of fables that require deciphering whose interpretation may vary upon the day of the week or jurisdiction or whim or memory loss or drunkenness or profit motive or...

The chapters in C.S. Lewis's The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, entitled "Early magic from the beginning of time" and "earlier magic from before the beginning of time" (or something like that) come to mind. And Lewis was purposefully writing allegory for the Bible.

Wow this is an underviewed video. I wish I could get ahold of an audiobook copy of his book.

@Eliteguitarschool

6 ай бұрын

It's 10 dollars. I think you can...😂

Great stuff!

Did they say “Tada!” at the transubstantiation? I don’t think it counts, otherwise.

Myth Vision has become a daily. Thank you for the work you do

Derek!!!! I have an idea!!! We should make cartoon with the Wicked Witch of the west saying a few of Dr. Madison's Jesus quotes so that we can see them out of context and how they sound FOR REAL 🤯

Interesting video, keep them comming!great guest

Thank you for doing interviews like this! Derek you mentioned your wife in this episode. Was she also a believer at one point? I’m going through my own “deconversion” myself yet my husband is very much a fundy. He gets very angry whenever I try to discuss anything with him regarding what I’m learning about the Bible. Any suggestions about how to handle this situation? I don’t want to hide things from him but feel so fake going to church and appearing to still be a Christian. Thanks for what you do!

Thank you, again. Watching from Alaska.

So u telling me that god is watching all these wars that happen n dis earth???

Awsome

Something that's been bugging me recently is why are we waiting for a second coming? Why wasn't the first coming sufficient couldn't he have got everything thing done then?

@Sveccha93

2 жыл бұрын

Yet another reason to take the texts at their word : Jesus and Paul expected it all to go down within a few years. When it didn't, it was too embarrassing to omit the promise of return, so Christians have to live with Jesus putting things off for millenia much like the Jews have had to live with having no temple and everything being metaphor.

@raulcheva

Жыл бұрын

I guess Abrahamic religions need badly the institution of "the middle man", to survive. 🎉

@GreenCanvasInteriorscape

4 ай бұрын

What about integral judaic belief is metaphorical? The red heifer is what triggered the Hamas attack if you haven't heard

It would be really great if you could get Jorunn Buckley on mythvision, the world's premier expert on the Mandaeans and their origins (which in part she concludes are the time of John the Baptist and Jesus) just like Christianity.

I love the Rembrandt on the cover

One of the least improbable events described in the Gospels is a man being wrongly diagnosed as being deceased in the First Century.

@obzrv9628

2 жыл бұрын

Their illusion, it has a purpose. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooyAu7uKg6i3abw.html

@williamsherman3047

6 ай бұрын

In some places, people are still being wrongly thought to be dead.

@johnhavel7685

5 ай бұрын

My brain is not working on this comment struggling to understand what you mean lol

@pedrom8831

5 ай бұрын

@@williamsherman3047 I’m not sure the body of a person who survived flogging and crucifixion would be mistaken for a divine being.

"Magical thinking" is different than magical formulae.

@Gnostic Informant, good question, except that the name is not key. “Iēsous” is a Hellenization of the Aramaic word for “Savior”, so it could have been a title/nickname.

@DewaHuang

2 жыл бұрын

Already many named Jesus, like ex Jesus Barabbas Thats why to differ, they called him Jesus of Nazareth

@WhyOhWhy123

2 жыл бұрын

@@DewaHuang ...and Barabbas is Aramaic for 'of the father'.

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

Eh... that could just be the meaning of the name. My name means "hammer", "In honor of Mars", "Hammer of Mars", etc. That's nothing special. Names are "titles". Like the Nordic name "Bjorn" is just "bear".

I want that WWJRD merch!!!

@GreenCanvasInteriorscape

4 ай бұрын

It would cost you a couple of bucks to print up a few dozen of those and sell them to friends or at events, then you'd have a new line of income and make new friends if desired

Hi Derek great videos. I recently found this comparison and would love to hear one of these guys interpretation. So in the wisdom of Solomon ch 2 it says man made a covenant with death because he reasoned to himself that his spirit would return to the air after death. Well that sounds just like Paul's Thessalonians rapture doctrine. Not sure what year wisdom was written but if after Thessalonians was this guy directly calling Paul out on his Thessalonians letter. I just recently found this and thought it was interesting I mean some translations it's almost word for word comparison.

I do believe in a higher spiritual power, but as far as the literal implementation of the verbatim rules and regulations in the scriptures denies every natural impulse or thought of basic human behavior, ultimately leading to a broken down slave mentality that questions nothing but feeds off of constant orders.

Seth ROCKS.

Where can I find your article?

Matt.16:28. Should be clear there are no 2,000-year-old people walking around

I know the Sea of Galilee is drying up because of pumping the water for desalination.

Now we have the missing emerald tablets

The Colorado river is

“Did the gospel writers proof read what they wrote” I was always under the impression that it was the inspired word of god. So god must have proof read it.

@michaelhenry1763

2 жыл бұрын

I guess God is a pretty bad editor.

@elitedrumlessons6174

Жыл бұрын

It’s interesting because one famous scholar once said God was ok with imperfect people writing the Bible and that there are minor errors.

"Love your enemy" would mean to love Satan. Was Jesus his lover?

Which episodes features Calvinism?

I don't see the contradiction in the example of calling someone a fool. It says if you call a BROTHER a fool. A brother in the context is a fellow believer, that's who you're not supposed to call a fool. When Jesus called someone a fool in that example, he was not addressing a brother.

I wish there were more non-materialists in the camp of religion critics.

@GreenCanvasInteriorscape

4 ай бұрын

I have not heard of that word, please describe your path through life as a non-materialist irreligious truth seeker, I'm adding the last two words as I'm a truth seeker

@NotOrdinaryInGames

4 ай бұрын

@@GreenCanvasInteriorscape I will impart this wisdom onto you: you sound like you are going through some stages of schizophrenia.

If he would have just said boil your water could have saved thousands

@jimgillert20

Жыл бұрын

Lol at least they made a big deal out of washing their hands.

@butragenjo007

8 ай бұрын

And then there would be massive wars for resources due to overpopulation, just like from 19th century onward

That's symbolic silly😅😅. Blood and 🍞 bread

Jesus I’m sure was something like David Koresh.

Judaism and Islam are different. The text says God is not concerned nor does he punish for thoughts or beliefs only actions.

'Thought' or 'Taught?'

With regards to Jesus’s request in one of gospels for his disciples to castrate themselves for the kingdom of heaven. Do you guys think that Jesus was a eunuch? Why recommend it for others if he is not?

@obzrv9628

2 жыл бұрын

Heaven in the mind spaces for NASA travels illusionist where ( THAY ) Travel kzread.info/dash/bejne/ooyAu7uKg6i3abw.html

@elchasai

2 жыл бұрын

I think it was along the lines of putting filial love or agape before lust

@rookmaster7502

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps to prevent them from abandoning him in order to settle down and start families.

@wizquinn8021

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up in a small town where this guy castrated himself. Jesus and mental illness do not mix well.

Noooi, they all have their own personal experience

At the 1:14:48 mark where the discussion is on Jesus being a false prophet, He said there are some standing here today that will not taste death until they see the Son of Man come into his kingdom. Well if you read the next chapter, Matthew 17, Jesus climbs a high mountain and transforms/transfigures into his true form as a divine being, then Moses, and Elijah come down. Then, God the Father tells Peter, James, and John “This is my beloved Son, listen to him”, in an audible voice. Well shoot, I would say Jesus revealed to 3 men standing there the Son of Man in his true form and a piece of the divine kingdom to come. How could this PhD miss that or not even acknowledge it?

or those that will not fallow me , bring them before me so that I can slay them , what a nice man ,, NOT !!!

I want him to debate clif

Jesus response in the court was fully puzzling. When your mission is to bring the new word of God then how better to change the minds of all people than through their leadership? A prime opportunity to bring them into the fold by belief in him yet he passed on the opportunity by acting like a revolting teenager. Show your miracles to the poor and unpowerful but nothing to convince the people that could really change the world?

The thumbnail says "thought" not "taught" lol

For those who believe the bible: Interesting that in Romans 13:1 and Titus 3:1 Paul was unambiguous that the authorities are appointed by God and MUST be obeyed,. No exceptions. Yet Jesus was crucified by the Romans for disputing their rule and claiming to be the rightful King of the Jews. And later in Act 5:27-29 the apostle Peter directly disobeyed the authorities leading to his death. Seems the biblical writers can't get their stories straight.

@davesgud

2 жыл бұрын

It's as if the book was written by different people with different views?

@DewaHuang

2 жыл бұрын

Well you already answered yourself in that verse, if God and law of authority differs, obey God rather them Peter and the other apostles replied: “We must obey God rather than human beings! Acts 5:29 NIV He said to them, “Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Luke 20:25 NIV

@canwelook

2 жыл бұрын

@@DewaHuang You can't read? What you said DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS what Paul wrote in Romans 13:1 and Titus 3:1

@DewaHuang

2 жыл бұрын

@@canwelook lol nope we don't see contradiction, we must follow both God and authorities, but obey God above men. Men there placed by God to regulate yes, but when they "against" God, then we obey God not men

@canwelook

2 жыл бұрын

@@DewaHuang Yes, I am aware that Christians dishonestly twist the scriptures to fit whatever they want them to say. Paul clearly allowed no exceptions in his doctrine - ever. You must obey those in power (no exceptions) BECAUSE they are the representatives of your god - according to Paul. If you disagree show me where Paul says differently. If you believed your god told you to murder your young son, would you do that? And how about flying a plane into some buildings to kill thousands of innocent people?

I can totally relate to Christians, one thing I wish about Jesus is - he had never been born.

@guyincognito320

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure you still think antisemitism is a bad thing like this guest

Sounds to me that Dr David tends towards jesus mythicism. Not a criticism!

We are watched everywhere everyday . sometimes by Yahua himself but always by his angels who report directly to him or his son Yahusha . I know this because I can see them around me around you . this ability was given to me by the Ruach and caused me to convert after being a Wiccan for 40 years.i know most believe and I have nothing to gain by saying this but I swear it to be .

@danielmartin5632

2 жыл бұрын

Are you OK?

@erpthompsonqueen9130

2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

You need need: A, medication. B, not take "medication" given to you by chamans. And/or C, stop lying.

@LT-et5rr

Жыл бұрын

🤭

The only God I worship is Lionel Messi

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

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I don't... Its a cartoon book.

This should be in the schools instead of gender studies.

I think that a lot of the things Jesus said were throw away lines not to be taken literally and made to illustrate a point -he may have thought differently on another day!Exaggeration for emphasis.

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

Except the character does alert when something is a metaphor and when not...

Every word of Jesus is true and good.

@danielmartin5632

2 жыл бұрын

Nah.

@jackdomanski6758

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielmartin5632 Yes. “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdomanski6758 "The words of Jesus are true because he say that his words are true, and those words are true, because he only says the truth".

@nailonross416

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackdomanski6758 i don't think so. You just don't wanna accept it

@jackdomanski6758

2 жыл бұрын

@@nailonross416 No. Jesus is the very Logos of creation, the source of all being and truth, who sustains the cosmos by the word of his power. If he spoke falsely, there’d be no cosmos…

Really dislike his readings of the gospels. He just refuses to engage with the message and the changes in the church because it's magic or because he doesn't agree with it. It's not ridiculous, you're just treating it as such

Read the Bible carefully? Are you insane 😂

“Why doesn’t God make himself obvious?” Perhaps he should ask; why do I not have eyes to see? It might have something to do with the plank in his eye. Don’t let the tale wag the dog. Don’t let the word of men come between you and God. ps. A plank in the mind of a sailor represents judgement.

Luckily this is all nonsense. There is no god, it was writings of pastoral people and a Jesus, one described in the gospels, never existed

You're laughing and mocking. It must really bother you lest you wouldn't spend Sooo much time talking about it

@TLC717

8 ай бұрын

If it bothered them, they wouldn't be so calm. They don't have anger in their voices like Christians do when they are trying to force their beliefs on others. You wish it bothered them. Maybe it bothers you.

I admit that I didn't watch part 1 or this entire episode. I just listened to the first part on #6 and had heard enough. My goodness was this lame. God does not simply know everything that we do, He has sovereignly ordained all that comes to pass. If He did not, He would not be God. Madison is acting like he is saying something shocking when this is just plain 2K year old basic Christian theology 101. In fact, he softens things by acting like God simply notices. And yes, we are indeed accountable to God for every thought, word, and action of ours. How is this remotely an odd contention? Our words, thoughts, and deeds hurt people. Sin matters. The only reason it seems odd to people is because of how sinful we are. We have learned to rationalize and minimize our sin. But God is infinitely holy and He will never accept these rationalizations. As far as the fact that not all theists agree on everything, not all non-theists agree on everything either. According to Madison's logic, non-theistic worldviews must all therefore be false in light of this fact. How can you guys not see how illogical so many of Derek's guests are? It is like most of them couldn't pass a freshman level logic course. They almost never turn their critiques around on themselves. And the fact that Muslims and Jews don't agree with us proves nothing. There is solid evidence against both worldviews. Hence, we should reject them. There is an enormous amount of evidence in favor of Biblical Christianity and no piece of fatal evidence against it. Game over. So, there is objective evidence along the lines of what Madison requires. He and all the skeptics simply reject it. I have gone over much of this evidence with many people on this very forum and they either just stop responding to me or degenerate into sophomoric ad hominem. What does that tell you?

@LM-jz9vh

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no. *The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. Google *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ Google *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* Google *"**ExChristian.Net** - Articles: The Bible: Primitive Nonsense"* Google *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* Google *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* Google *"Reasons for disbelief: The top ten reasons I am an atheist - Real Bible Stories"* (Written by a former minister) Google *"Secular Societies Fare Better Than Religious Societies - Psychology Today"* Google *"**ExChristian.Net** - Articles: The Bible - Is it the Word of GOD?"* Google *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* Google *"Some Reasons Why Humanists Reject The Bible - American Humanist Association"* Google *"The origins of the Ten Commandments - Carpe Scriptura"* Google *"Does the Ipuwer Papyrus Refer to the Biblical Exodus Account? - Bishop's Encyclopedia of Religion, Society and Philosophy"* Google *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* Google *"The Problem of the Bible: Inaccuracies, contradictions, fallacies, scientific issues and more. - News24"* Google *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* Google *"40 Problems with Christianity - Hemant Mehta - Friendly Atheist - Patheos"* Google *"The Problem With Faith: 11 Ways Religion Is Destroying Humanity"* Google *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell""* Google *"You Need To Consider The Possibility Your Religion Is Mythology"* Google *"No, Humans Are Probably Not All Descended From A Single Couple Who Lived 200,000 Years Ago"* Google *"Adam & Eve: Theologians Try to Reconcile Science and Fail - The New Republic"* Google *"Adam and Eve: the ultimate standoff between science and faith (and a contest!) - Why Evolution Is True"* Google *"Bogus accommodationism: The return of Adam and Eve as real people, as proposed by a wonky quasi-scientific theory - Why Evolution Is True"* Google *"The Shroud of Turin Is Definitely a Hoax - Tales of Times Forgotten"* Google *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* Google *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* Google *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"* Google *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*

@LM-jz9vh

2 жыл бұрын

The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument. *Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do:* He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6-7; 11:7-12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises-for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing- *Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome.* Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, *making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews.* (1 Cor.1:23) ------------------------------------------------------------------ The end is near? *The Bible’s New Testament contains a drumbeat of promises that Jesus is ready to return any day now, implying that it will happen so soon that it would be wise to keep it in mind when making any kind of life decision. But it didn’t happen.* The following is a sample of verses professing this theme: Matt 10:23: [Jesus said to his disciples] *‘When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next;* ***for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes’.*** (They fled through the towns but the Son of Man never came) Matt 16:28: [Jesus said to the disciples], *‘Truly, I say to you,* ***there are some standing here*** *who will not taste death* before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom’. Mark 9:1: And he [Jesus] said to them [the disciples], *‘Truly, I say to you,* ***there are some standing here*** *who will not taste death* before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power’. Mark 13:30: *[After detailing events up to end of world, Jesus says]* ‘Truly, I say to you, ***this generation will not pass away*** *before all these things take place’.* Mark 14:62: And Jesus said ***[to the high priest - died 1st cent. AD]*** ‘You will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven’. (The high priest died and never saw the Son of Man) Rom 13:12: The day is *at hand.* 1 Cor 7:29: The appointed time has grown very short; from now on, *let those who have wives live as though they had none.* (Funny thing to say if you didn’t think the end was imminent) 1 Cor 7:31: For the form of this world is *passing away.* Phil 4:5: The Lord is *coming soon.* 1 Thess 4:15: *We who are alive, who are left* until the coming of the Lord. Hebrews 1:2: *In these last days* he has spoken to us by a Son. Hebrews 10:37: For yet a little while, and the coming one shall come and *shall not tarry.* James 5:8: The coming of the Lord is *at hand.* 1 Peter 1:20: He [Christ] was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the *end of the times.* 1 Peter 4:7: The end of all things is *at hand.* 1 John 2:18: *It is the last hour;* and as you have heard that antichrist is coming. Rev 1:1: The revelation of Jesus Christ (i.e., the end of the world)…to show to his servants what must *soon take place.* Rev 3:11: [Jesus said] ‘I am *coming soon’.* Rev 22:6: And the Lord…has sent his angel to show his servants what must *soon take place.* Rev 22:20: [Jesus said] ‘Surely I am *coming soon’.* *It is puzzling to understand why Christianity survived the failure of this prediction. It is not ambiguous.* This would be like a rich uncle who promises to give you $10,000 ‘very soon.’ Ten years pass and he still hasn’t given anything to you, but he still says he will do it very soon. Would you still believe that it will happen any day? No, you would realize that it is a false promise. *For some reason, Christians cannot comprehend that they have been scammed. Jesus is not coming back, not tomorrow, not next year, not ever. But they still think it will happen any day.* www.kyroot.com/ *Watch* Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman on KZread Google *"13x Jesus was wrong in the Bible - Life Lessons"* Google *"End Times - Evil Bible .com"* Google *"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"* Google *"Resurrection - Fact or Myth - Omission Report"* Google *"What’s Missing from Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament? - Biblical Archaeology Society"* Google *"The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference - Biblical Archaeology Society"* Google *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"* Google *"Why Jesus? Nontract (August 1999) - Freedom From Religion Foundation"* Google *"272: JESUS’S 5200 AUTHENTIC WORDS - zingcreed"* Google *"43: IS THE FOURTH GOSPEL FICTION? - zingcreed"* Google *"Jesus Predicted a First Century Return Which Did Not Occur - by Alex Beyman - Medium"* Google *"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*

@danjensen8412

2 жыл бұрын

@@LM-jz9vh I'm not going to reply to your other comment because you have already given me a comment in the past that is either identical (it honestly looks like you just cut and pasted) or is almost identical. I refuted it and you did not respond. If you are not going to interact with my rebuttals, don't just repeat the same argument. It is a waste of my time. As for this comment, do you have any idea how much biblical scholarship from the days of rationalistic German 19th century has been refuted? The list is extremely long my friend. I could give countless examples, but I will provide just one. Most of the scholarship from that school of thought was adamant that the Gospel of John should be dated to the late 2nd century. And then we found the earliest fragment of John and it has been dated to the early to mid 2nd century. Whoops! The oral tradition that forms the basis for Genesis would have long preceded the EE. False religions that sprouted up after the Tower of Babel would have undoubtedly used and perverted this tradition. The fact that the EE was probably written before Genesis therefore proves nothing. All it proves is that those pagans put their mangled version of the tradition to pen before Moses did. The theory that the EE must precede the pure oral tradition is sheer theory and conjecture. Period.

@danjensen8412

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmss3199 Ehrman has done no such thing. As I've said many times to folks on this channel, Ehrman is simply a pop-Atheist apologist. He is a brilliant and highly capable textual scholar, but when he goes out of that lane, as he so often does, he gets things comically wrong all of the time. Those knowledgeable in the fields (including many liberal scholars) have been well aware of this for a very long time. He is simply a very popular author because he is such a highly recognized textual scholar and because he tells Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, and LDS folks precisely what they want to hear. I am an expert on historical theology and I can tell you that he routinely gets the most basic things wrong in this field on a regular basis. He touts himself as an expert on the early church and yet he doesn't even understand the basic definition of the doctrine of the Trinity. I highly encourage you to watch "The Bible vs Bart Ehrman." It is on YT. It is a well done video that summarizes what I have just said. And even Ehrman basically admits that the textual tradition behind the NT is extremely strong. In a debate with Dan Wallace he answered a direct question by saying that none of the variants affect any Christian doctrines. He simply constantly says that if God really inspired the Bible, then He would have made sure that all of the copies are perfect as well. But, as James White aptly pointed out in his debate with Ehrman, this is an absurd contention. It would entail giving a 5 year old writing out a Bible verse on his lunch box the same authority that was given to the Apostle Paul. Give me a break. Even further, Ehrman basically admits that the historical case for the resurrection of Christ is extremely strong. He doesn't dispute any of the basic historical facts. He simply says that historians can never posit the reality of a miracle because that is beyond the scope of historians. But, this is also an absurd contention. Most historians throughout world history have believed in the supernatural. And countless ones still do today and believe that they do in fact show up in the historical record. Ehrman is just wrong here. The only way to deny the extremely persuasive historical data in favor of the resurrection is to do so based on hardened philosophical presuppositions. In one debate he said that it is more likely that the disciples saw Jesus' twin than that they saw Jesus Himself. And this coming from a man who has rightly argued that the Jesus-Myth theory is total bunk because James the brother of Jesus would have certainly known if his own brother existed or not. Well, he also certainly would have known if Jesus had an identical twin or not as well! Ehrman's biases lead him to make absurd statements like this in print and in debates all of the time.

@siphomnisi3842

2 жыл бұрын

@@danjensen8412 have fun with your Spiderman from the Spiderman comics

3 Things atheist's wish, Jesus never taught. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." "Love your neighbour, as you love yourself." "Love your enemy, and pray for those who persecute you." I only mentioned 3 teachings for the sake of brevity...but there's plenty more. So why do atheist's wish Jesus never taught these moral instructions? Because it is the very best moral instructions the world has ever known... it's unbeatable, making Jesus The GOAT of moral teaching. In other words....The King on The Throne of moral guidance....God. You see, if you able to provide greater guidance...then and only then you have toppled Jesus off that throne. Therefore to attack lesser teachings of His....might be interesting but just won't do. It's like attacking a world record holder about some lesser performance....it only takes the focus off his greatness, but does nothing to affect his greatest accomplishments. Failure to provide greater teachings....will render this short comment, the honour of debunking this 2hour podcast.

Says who? You?