In fact, Martin spins a similar wheel for his moves. It has 9 "blunder" and 1 "move"

@pi_man3

Жыл бұрын

Unless it's mate in one.

@MrMinecraft5578

Жыл бұрын

It's ". . . Martin spins* a . . ." Mr. Ivan Vasl'yev.

@user-kn3gn3if7y

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMinecraft5578 ok, I redacteds

@MrMinecraft5578

Жыл бұрын

@@user-kn3gn3if7yOk but, *reacted. Also did I get the name right?

@uunholyy_

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrMinecraft5578 ngl u sounding like a nerd but alr

OMG, you should have put a MUCH larger percentage of the pie as 'move' - This went exactly as I expected with these segments.

@Anewedition2024

Жыл бұрын

you have 2 comments on this video

@Supergoon1989

Жыл бұрын

@@Anewedition2024 Actually it's closer to 5. Maybe 6. I sometimes watch a bit, then make a comment, then watch a bit more. Then 1 more final comment at the end when i'm done watching.

@harrycop7944

Жыл бұрын

@@Supergoon1989 smart

@RubyPiec

Жыл бұрын

@@Supergoon1989 i'm always scared of doing that because it makes me look like a spammer and annoying

@chaosbuilder1531

Жыл бұрын

@@RubyPiec same

“What’s the best blunder” never thought I would hear that from him 😂

@user-hm4lj3ix9c

8 ай бұрын

Bb8

Here are my suggestions for next time : Replace "give martin a queen" to "give martin a random piece" (and spin another wheel with all 5 pieces with equal pfobability) Add some rules to where you can place pieces. I know you do it fairly, but you should add some contidions. Like you can’t place one of your pawns in the 7th rank (even 4th rank is too high) nor place it where it can capture a piece (so 11:00 should have not be legal). And for the opponent’s pieces you add, same thing you can’t place it where you can capture it The "move" should have 50% to get rolled i think, and maybe rename it to "no conditions" (so that there is no ambiguity for if a capture/check is legal when you roll this)

Жыл бұрын

Maybe rather make the piece probability inverse of their value.

@user-sl6gn1ss8p

Жыл бұрын

@ that's probably too weak then

@Ishaan419

Жыл бұрын

Maybe queen to rook next time

Жыл бұрын

@@user-sl6gn1ss8p there's literally infinite number of functions and their parameters, I think it's possible to find sweet spot.

@user-sl6gn1ss8p

Жыл бұрын

@ yeah, definitely, I just think being 9 times more likely to give a pawn than a queen is kind of too weak. But yeah, that does depend on the other parameters as well

I think if you land on an option you can’t do, you should re spin the wheel. Each time you land on something you can’t do (blunder, check or capture), it’s like having 3 extra slices that mean giving Martin a Queen. The odds of you giving Martin a Queen are a lot higher than they appear, making it a lot more difficult to win!

@nwoDekaTsyawlA

Жыл бұрын

While I agree with the assessment, I think that the second was very interesting because Nelson had to adjust his strategy to be able to perform the actions in order to avoid giving Martin the queen.

@KororaPenguin

Жыл бұрын

Or omit the add-a-piece complex altogether. Roll a d12. An even number means move like normal. A 5, 7, or 11 means capture if possible. A 3 or 9 means check if possible. And a 1 means play a move that is, to the best of your knowledge, a blunder. A result you cannot obey means re-roll.

@mistytrussell642

Жыл бұрын

@@KororaPenguin L

@mistytrussell642

Жыл бұрын

Oops I didn’t want to type😂

@arishnicoff2621

Ай бұрын

Rats I just commented the exact same thing

10:25 How about Knight to G5? It blunders the knight because his knight or Queen can just take it, and you have it undefended.

@Rqwwqw

Жыл бұрын

True

@sevillaa6532

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing 😅😅

@stevejackson2471

Жыл бұрын

Me too.

@thelengendofzelda1

Жыл бұрын

He seems to miss a lot of knight blunders

@uBytee

Жыл бұрын

same

One of the tweaks I think you could make, is that after 'Give Martin a Queen', you shouldn't have to roll the spinner again, you just automatically get a 'move' afterwards. This could also apply to giving yourself a pawn but doesn't need to, it's mainly so that the game doesn't get locked down by giving Martin pieces over and over again as I feel that sometimes it got bogged down by that without advancing the game state. Adding some rules to how the free pieces/pawns are allowed to be given out might also be a good idea, as while in this I feel you did it pretty fairly, having a bit more structure might be nice so that you can't say place a pawn on the 7th rank for a free queen on the next move. Another thought is that maybe instead of just 'Give Martin a Queen', you have it so that there's a 'Give Martin a Rook', 'Give Martin a Bishop', and 'Give Martin a knight' and you have all 4 of these options have 1/4th the chance of being chosen relative to everything else (non-valid rolls like 'check' when you can't give one just result in a re-roll). You could also potentially replace one of the 'Move' options with something like 'Push', where you have to move a piece/pawn but are not allowed to capture.

@toww2246

Жыл бұрын

I agree then if he spins the wheel and it lands on like give Martin a queen he should just move and give Martin a queen, and same if he can’t give a check or capture he should still be able to move after those options

4:26😂 right when he said the queens don't help he just got another one

Only 3/8 choices actually let you move. Also you could be more aggressive with pawn placement when you get a free one. Use the pawn to fork his pieces. Or put one on the 7th rank

The truth is Martin's been using this wheel the entire time

It's such joy when he gets a pawn, even if it's a mere pawn, and Martin has the ability to get a whole queen.

I could have told you from the start this would go horribly. Having a 50% chance of something going wrong in a game with dozens of moves is going to mean a stupidly large number of bad things happening.

I think it'd be interessting with one option being "tag out". That swiches opponant from martin to stockfish and back.

@DaTimmeh

Жыл бұрын

@@arandomgamer3088I love the image of Stockfish seeing a mate 5, executing the initial move(s), then gets tagged out and Martin blunders mate in 1 immediately somehow.

@ArCgon

Жыл бұрын

@@DaTimmeh Usually even Martin is able to see mates in 1 (as he did in both games here).

@DaTimmeh

Жыл бұрын

@@ArCgon he sees when he has mate in 1, but he ofc still blunders mate in 1 opportunities for the opponent, that’s what I was referring to. Like stockfish seems m5, plays the first 3 moves till m2, then Martin does something stupid and blunders m1 against him.

@Mr.StealYourGirl81

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow I guessed where you were going to place every queen you gave Martin and every pawn you gave yourself 😅 I’m feeling pretty smart

7:05 If you play this clip near a Google Home, it'll think he said "Ok Google"

@slifer0081

Ай бұрын

Haha

I loved the idea of a regenerating pawn storm versus the queen army! As other commenters have said, this would work beautifully with a slightly larger portion of the wheel being 'move'

Nelson asking whats the best blunder, was the funniest thing I’ve seen in chess

My kids love it when you challenge Martin. They are always asking if there is another Martin video.

nothing I love more than seeing your martin saga!

You dont need to blunder piece, you can blunder position. Saving ur pieces against martin is the best solution

Here is my idea. Feel free to modify it as you see fit or discard it entirely Nelson. I welcome any suggestions from anyone in the replies :). Also, if you have a way to send this to Nelson so that he may be more likely to see it, I have no problem with that, but please try to simplify it(or improve it) first if you can and don’t mind. Now onto the LONG idea, bare with me. When you roll an option you can’t do, you can use the eval bar to determine who gets what. [0.0 or Nelson’s advantage: (martin gets a queen). An advantage of 2-5 for Martin: (Martin gets a rook). An advantage of 6-9 for Martin: (Martin gets a knight). An advantage of 10-12 for Martin: (Martin gets a bishop). An advantage of 13-19 for Martin: (Martin gets 2 pawns). An advantage of 20-25 for Martin: (Martin gets 1 pawn). An advantage of >25 for Martin: (the system reverses in favour of Nelson per 5 advantage added on). Eg. 30 for Martin: (Nelson gets 1 pawn), 35: Nelson gets 2 pawns, 40: Nelson gets a knight or bishop (his choice), 45: Nelson gets the piece he didn’t choose from bishop or knight, etc. For M2 in favour of Martin: Nelson can move one of his pawns to any square (can only be done once every 5 moves, so if in cooldown, Nelson has to move one of his pawns one square backwards except any pawns in adjacent files to the moved pawn.) For any forced mate that nelson has < 7, Nelson must must move one of his pawns(including en Passant) first then for 2 rolls, Nelson can make any legal move.] Finally, if Nelson cannot do his eval-based move, Nelson must roll again. EASTER EGG: if Martin uses en Passant, Nelson gets a queen or to re-roll the roll after the en Passant (his choice).

I think that the second set of settings is actually really good and that the best way to go forward is to develop some better strategies to help give you “bad” options without losing your advantages Practicing for a few games off camera while allowing extra time to analyze may help to get an idea for which moves to make that are very different from normal strong moves

this is the best! please do part 2

I think placing the queens differently could help a lot, like placing them where you can capture them

I'd like to see a match with 2 grand masters playing both with the wheels

@KororaPenguin

Жыл бұрын

THAT would be very interesting indeed!

@oZqdiac

8 ай бұрын

Magnum Carlos vs hikaru

The best parts were when you rolled capture or check, because sometimes it made you blunder sometimes it allowed you a good move and you could set yourself up for better options. Maybe the wheel could have options like this: 1: Move 2: Move (no capture) 3: Capture 4: Check 5: Push a pawn And if you roll something, you can't do you skip your turn or respin

“I have to blunder my queen when he could blunder his knight

Martin not using his queen's wisely

Try this ratio: 20% Any Move You want 20% Martin Queen 20% Pawn or minor piece for you 20% Blunder 20% Skip your turn

I recommend these type of videos.

even his blunders are brilliant

I love this idea! But it's best to incorporate more normal moves in there. How about something like... -Move or Capture (2) -Move Only (2) -Capture Only (2) -Blunder (2) -Give Martin A Queen (1) -Give Nelson A Pawn (1) 70% of the moves are beneficial for you, but it's also challenging because 20% of them have a forced capture, which means you have to strategize to make sure one is available. Since Martin only gets a queen 10% of the time, you won't run away into this runaway queen nightmare

@newmeta2668

Жыл бұрын

Might make it a bit too easy but definitely better than the current wheel

8:07 "Ahh! Nelson gets a pawn!😏" LMAO

You should be able to move every turn, and the spin is just a modifier. If you land on "move" on the spinner, then you just don't have a negative modifier

This video was very fun! I would love if you rematched Martin, maybe giving yourself some extra chances like not giving him a queen if lands on capture or check and you can't, maybe a rook would work.

1% chance to give Nelson a gun

You had to give him a queen, but where you put the queen was entirely up to you. So just put the queen in a spot where unless you get a blunder, you can remove the queen from the board. When you get pawns, put them as close to the other side of the board as possible so you can get free queens yourself. It's your move after all. You can even use pawns to take the opposing king.

Change it so that 'Move' has to actually be a move, not a capture. But it takes up more space of the pie than it already does. Capture should change to 'capture or give Martin a Queen' and is also slightly larger in pie-area. Maybe do a couple of very thin pie segments for 'give martin a bishop', 'give martin a knight', etc. ....And Maybe one very small segment for 'Nelson gets a knight'. Maybe it'l come up at crucial moments and save you ;)

@Supergoon1989

Жыл бұрын

Added to this, maybe have some segments that are 'Move or Capture' so if you roll that, then you do get to choose and do exactly what you want. - This was how you were playing 'move' in this version.

"giving him a queen is significant" lmao

This was brutal bro lol. But I like the concept,just needs optimization

This is such a clever idea. I actually kind of like random chance in strategy games like this. I am wondering if anyone has suggestions for abstract strategy games with some input randomness/luck involved.

Like your videos ... watch them as a diversion from my main gaming interest in historical conflict simulations (wargames). Your teaching style seems very natural and relatable. In wargames, luck is usually a factor because most things in life are not 100% certain. In those games, it's important to be able to make decisions in the face of uncertainty. But in Chess and other similar abstract games, luck shouldn't be part of it, and this thing with Martin and spinning the wheel is just for laughs to mix things up.

10:35 knight to G5

Wow this variant is amazing! You could maybe add a "skip your turn" to the wheel (and if you are in check, Martin gets a Queen instead). Another idea is starting with a one-time use Coin item, which can be used to negate one spin of the wheel and allow you to re-spin. Looking forward to more videos like this!

Make a Martin series, these are so funny to watch

Maybe you should have written 'Give him a rook' 😅

10:34 The H3 Knight to G5 was a blunder

Nelson vs Martin is the best series on the internet (behind Guess the Elo)

do the wheel again, but with each file from a to h where you have to move either from that file or to that file against martin ofc

I feel like everything should come with a move like "give martin a queen then move" so you're still making progress. And probably have more moves on the wheel too. Maybe like, one more move aswell as a "move your king" tile. Maybe also a "frenzy" tile where the last piece you moved that isn't the king has to move until it's captured (or maybe a piece of your choice that has the lowest value among your remaining pieces (not pawns cause they can get stuck) so you don't get to just rampage with the queen everytime ). I'm sure there are other possible ideas, but yeah that sounds more fun

At 10:35 you could have blundered knight on G5

@okok72277

Жыл бұрын

I was screaming this at my screen 😭😭

@PermY988

Жыл бұрын

@@okok72277 same

Idea for another match against Martin Chess, but you can never leave a any piece unprotected

Martin literally had a harem on his first match against Nelson 😅

You should do a session where you try to speedrun checkmating Martin as fast as possible. See how low you can get your time down to

@venexo1434

Жыл бұрын

That wouldn’t be very interesting since we already know the fastest way to checkmate. He would just need to be lucky.

You spun the wheel, gave him a queen, and SPUN THE WHEEL AGAIN! Just move after!

When you have to give or receive a piece you shouldn't be spinning again IMO: it should be Martin's move next. This was fun by the way. 🤩

@apolo7178

Жыл бұрын

He can’t do that: that is not how that site works

@grubbygeorge2117

Жыл бұрын

@@apolo7178you sure? Can’t you decide who moves next when making a custom position?

@therandomone9419

Жыл бұрын

@@grubbygeorge2117 either way its a bad idea, nobody moves you just give martin extra material theres no reason to make it his turn

Suggestion: original wheel, but change all instances of “Give Martin a Queen” to “Give Martin one of his captured pieces back”

Nelson gets a pawn. Puts the pawn in eighth rank.

Nelson not knowing that he can put martin’s queens on an area where they can be captured immediately

You should do something similar with max stock fish 👌🏻

You should add a slice where any piece you move gets turned into a pawn after you move it

Chess against Martin but every 'x' turns one of your pieces/pawns defects to Martin's side

You should spin the wheel every other turn, that would make it way more interesting.

"we're gonna take THE queen". It must be the chosen queen.

10:40 You could have blunder your knight on h3 with Ng5.

@hugo57k91

Жыл бұрын

Glad someone else noticed it too, he's being too harsh on himself with the blunders. Just cause he has to blunder doesn't mean he has to do the worst one

@Godkiller3145

11 ай бұрын

Yes

I love how he never notices knight blunders

10:34 Him:”Oh man i have to blunder a queen (sigh)” The horse:why do i exist?

martin never misses mate in 1!

Here is a suggestion for the next challenge: chess but everytime Martin blunder, you blunder.

When you give Martin a queen, put it where you can capture it.

I think you need to move every turn. Change "Give Martin a Queen" to "Move, then give Martin a Queen". If you can't execute an action, "Move, then give Martin a Queen". "Move, then get a Pawn". That will make the game moving and that should give you more control and feel more like chess (but with a wheel). I guess you will have a problem that after you Move, Martin will immediately make a move. So maybe if you want to give a Queen: Move, Martin Moves, give him a Queen, then spin again...

@meissmart6678

Жыл бұрын

how about “Give Martin a Queen, then Move”

@fadingintent

Жыл бұрын

@@meissmart6678 Then there is the problem that you always place the queen in a spot where you take it immediately so the queen isn't really there - you would just place it on a spot where you want to reposition your knight, for example. Unless you would make a rule that you can't take the new queen immediately after you place it. Then it would work.

I feel like you discovered Martin’s original programming

You should make a wheel that decides what piece you move

I feel like Martin is a student of mittens and he secretly hides his true skill

I think the way to make this work is to use the first wheel and whenever you cannot obey give Martin a pawn.

If you want a random roll, set it to be random piece instead. Make sure to leave some part to be your choice. However it might be an idea to roll multiple ones, so that you can actually strategize through the randomness.

Tweak by using random org (or dice; or wheel) to decide position where new piece lands. For pawns - limit to rank 2,3,4. For queens - 1,2,3,4. Add "give martin a rook/bishop" to distill amount of firepower he gets. Add "move a pawn"/"move a bishop"/etc(each piece) so you have more chances to move, but you lack a freedom to choose what to move in doing so

love this video

I think u should do a wheel of what ypu should move like Queen, Pawn, Bishop,King,Rook and Knight if you cannot move it example captured, pinned or no squares add a pawn(so its fair) to Martin's side. Hope u see this😀

When you said “give nelson a pawn” I thought you meant the bot nelson for a second 😭

Another challenge idea: Play against Stockfish with the wheel of luck. In 4 out of 5 wheel slots, you play a move. If you land on the 5th one, you get to remove one of Stockfish's pieces: use another random number generator to decide which piece type you can remove, based on how many of each piece is left. For example: if there are three stockfish pawns and two knights remaining, the number generator should have a 3/5 probability of choosing pawn, and 2/5 of choosing knight. If you land on pawn, you can pick which pawn you want to remove (you'll need as much agency as you can get).

@danielbrown001

Жыл бұрын

I thought of this as well! Have the wheel be mostly good things for the player. Could even have slots for giving yourself a piece. Or a slot for “Martin makes Stockfish’s next move” etc. Would be fun!

I didn't even know you could castle from the other side.. I gotta start watching/playing more chess

he can never see when he can blunder his knight, happened like twice

i think you should do it again but default to move normally instead of defaulting to giving a queen

how about instead of "give martin a queen" it get's changed to "promote martin's piece to a queen"

Nelson where did you get that wheel can you please tell me?

Add in the wear make Nelson give a queen to himself

There were opportunities to be cheeky with Queen placements. For instance, at 12:29, Q@h3 was an idea.

He blundered his queen when he could have blundered his knight.

Make it so that when you get a pawn / give Martin a queen, you should just be allowed to move whatever you want automatically

Bro got a knight to blunder but blundered ...one and only...... 'The Queen' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. !!...!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

When he added Nelson gets a pawn, just put it at the then side of the board, and promote😮

I feel like Nelson is going insane from making these videos but at least it's entertaining lol

10:34 "I don't have any other blunders" Ng5:

Can somebody tell me the website that you add this stuff????!!!

When he blundered his queen he could have move pawn f4

Change it to "Give Martin a Knight" and make it "Nelson gets a Bishop".

Bro the eval bar getting a stroke.

bro could just spawn his pawn at the end of the board and get a free any piece

How do you add or remove pieces?

He could blunder his knights multiple times yet he still blunders his queen