I’m so sick of hearing “we didn’t want him to go”. Clearly you did or you would have kept him. Vince didn’t let the guys he really wanted to keep walk

@dustinpalaghe8233

8 ай бұрын

Facts

@sandojones5903

8 ай бұрын

It sounds like they offered him money they didn't have, but don't want to admit they made a mistake like that! How many times do we hear negative comments about Heyman doing that! If that had got out Vince did something like that, it could have done irreparable damage to rumors of their ability to pay people. Which would further hurt roster retention. Just a theory.

@datemasamune2904

8 ай бұрын

Not really. They were trying to get him to stay, but WCW offered more money, and Brett didn't want to be in the same place as Michaels.

@cjrich7720

8 ай бұрын

BARS

@bobmarshall8527

8 ай бұрын

@@datemasamune2904that’s not really accurate, Vince basically pushed Bret to leave, he didn’t want to go. The reality is it was too good of an offer not to go.

I've heard way too many variations of this story to be accurate but after Vince tells Bret he can no longer honor the deal, you can't blame Bret for leaving no matter what happens after that. Even if Vince comes back a month later and says I can honor it he's already shown Bret is expendable, he has no reason to stay anymore if he can get a better deal somewhere else. Bret if nothing else comes off as a loyal person, you break that loyalty he isn't going to look at you the same anymore, he's just not.

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​​@EBC-ENTdon't think it had to do with Montreal, rather it had to do with losing to Shawn specifically. If Shawn had just a little humility this probably could've all been avoided. Myself? If you tell someone "I know we've had our issues but I will always be professional with you, I won't take any liberties with you", only for that person to essentially say "thanks but I wouldn't do that for you" then why would you do favors for that person if you don't have to? Think about what Shawn is saying, not only is he saying he wouldn't do a job for Bret but he might actually take liberties with him in a match, those are the 2 most unprofessional things any performer could do.

@ChrisStoecker

8 ай бұрын

​@@Nothereman9999Shawn was an absolute dick no question. But there was a way to get it done, Bret was being unreasonable. At the end of the day Bret's a promoters son, he understands perfectly well what it means if he doesn't lose the title before leaving. Doesn't need to be clean but it absolutely 100% needs to happen. Your title now becoming meaningless not because your champion retired but because he's leaving for the competition. Can't happen. He knows that. He works for Vince and the fans of the WWF and if you don't wanna lose to Shawn or worry he's gonna take liberties then don't work the match

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​​​​@@ChrisStoeckerso it's ok in Vince's eyes for Hogan to pull a 180 and not put over Bret but for some reason it's not up for discussion when Bret has legitimate gripe against HBK? Even Honky Tonk refused to drop the title Macho Man and it wasn't an issue, so why is this an issue? You could easily have Bret drop to Taker and Taker drop to Shawn due to Kane interference and be done with it. That's the thing; it didn't have to be HBK. Let's be real, he was a placeholder, that title was going to Austin and everyone knew it, you didn't need HBK in that scenario, like at all. Unlike Hogan, Bret had it in his contract he could go out however he saw fit and he said "anyone but HBK". There is no good reason to force Bret into that situation and given the horseshit Shawn had literally JUST pulled against Bulldog at One Night Only, you'd think Vince wouldn't be so hard-headed and work with Bret a bit. To use an Eric Bischoff line as it pertains to Bash at the Beach 2000 "it wasn't Vince's call, his opinion didn't freaking matter" and in some respects that applies to this situation.

@ChrisStoecker

8 ай бұрын

@@Nothereman9999 Vince put himself in a ridiculously horrible situation but when it comes down to it Bret knew damn well he couldn't leave there with the title. The situation with Hogan not wanting to lose to Bret is completely different. Hogan felt Bret wasn't on his level and he wasn't trying to leave without losing. It's absurd Bret would think Vince is gonna damage his own company for anyone's ego other than his own. He screwed himself

@ChrisStoecker

8 ай бұрын

@@Nothereman9999 I agree it didn't have to be Shawn. That's where Vince was wrong big time. But Bret could've refused to work with Shawn if he wasn't gonna do business instead of trying to put the company in a bad position like he did

Can’t really believe what Bruce says

Vince offers you a contract for less that the competition but you take it out of loyalty. Months later Vince says he can’t afford you and needs you to do the deal with the competition after all, so you do. Shortly after, Vince says he’s changed his mind again and now can afford you and asks you to stay. -you’ve already done the deal with the competition so it’s too late -would you feel comfortable doing a deal with this guy who is changing his mind with every change of the blowing wind? If somehow you did stay then Vince changed his mind AGAIN, the competition might not make you an offer again or if they did, maybe not as good.

@peterversionone

7 ай бұрын

Just remember, the reason the screwed Bret was because they didn’t want him taking the title, which wouldn’t have happened. After Ric went to WWF with the Big Gold, WCW sued, and won. Ric had to use an old tag belt digitized out in promos. When Medusa threw the belt in the trash, WWF sued WCW and won. If either company showed the oppositions title without permission, the fine would have been very heavy. Eric Bischoff had no need to bring Bret there with the belt. He wanted him to make Thunder a show

@horsemen601

7 ай бұрын

@@peterversiononethis what the hell i thought!!! so why was vince soooo scared bret gonna drop the title on wcw tv. 😢 man bret was loyal and seems to got caught up in the two companies sissy fight 🫤

@peterversionone

7 ай бұрын

@@horsemen601 and I just realized something, would you drop the belt again to Shawn who after the first time faked an injury and lost his smile. I think Bret wanted a win or a draw on ppv since Shawn owed him that since after Wrestlemania 12 they were supposed to have more matches.

If they didn't want him to leave they sure had a funny way to show it.

This story has changed so many times it’s hard to believe anything that gets said… 😂

that was the best thing wwf/wwe could have done to wcw

Never knew he wanted to leave in 92. Right before he became champ, that's crazy.

@danielmelvin4525

8 ай бұрын

It was the end of 91, when they told him he’d be losing the IC title the first time to the Mountie. He was also told he’d be getting it back from Piper at WM 8, but didn’t really believe it (or that plans would change by the time WM arrived, and Bret would be fine with a change of plans because of how big a star Piper was). He basically saw losing the IC title as as high as he’d get in the WWF. He saw himself falling into what had become of former IC and Tag champs like Tito and Valentine, and figured it was time for a change. His plan wasn’t to leave with the belt as Conrad seems to allude here, he was already told he’d be dropping the belt.

@catchcan221

7 ай бұрын

The rumors that turned out to be correct that he wanted to leave began in December 1991. That’s why he wasn’t on Royal Rumble 1992. He dropped the IC belt to Mountie on a house show a couple of nights before the PPV.

@radioVHS149

7 ай бұрын

​@@danielmelvin4525Knowing Bret, perhaps he was willing to drop the belt to someone fresh and promising the same way Flair did when he was also leaving in 92.. It has been rumored that Bruce and Cornette wanted Bret to drop the belt to Ken Shamrock, but Shamrock hadn't proved anything to be the top guy, plus it would had derailed the push of Stone Cold who was already the hottest thing in the business..

@maxxdahl6062

7 ай бұрын

@@radioVHS149 Ken Shamrock was the one believeable guy you could have win it and not look like a joke out of credibility alone.

Why does Conrad get mad anytime someone calls out Dave Meltzer’s bullshit?

@paladynius

2 ай бұрын

Because Conrad is a IWC/AEW Neckbeard Douchebag Mark type. Dave Meltzer is the biggest scumbag to ever leech off the pro wrestling business. Since AEW started 95% of his non-AEW "news" is false. And Dave, the so-called insider JOURNALIST is actively aiding AEW & Tony MarKhan in storylines.

What a bunch of BS from Pritchard. Hart took less money to stay and then the WWF welched on the deal. They thought the money they were paying him would be better spent elsewhere and that he didn't fit into the new direction they were going (attitude era).

@joshuasteward6097

5 ай бұрын

And that the heel angle Vince booked him in had destroyed his drawing power.

Vince paid Shawn 750,000 for his drug induced retirement plus perks and he could not afford 1.5 million to Bret, who worked over 320 days a year at his age still. 🤦‍♂️

@johngonzalez3620

8 ай бұрын

$750,000 per year from 1998 until 2002

@theecharmingbilly

7 ай бұрын

Acting like that isn't a significant difference for 1 year let alone 4 or whatever. Plus he keeps Shawn from new world ordering.

While it’s true clearly WWF didn’t wanna lose Bret in 96, it was clear in 97 enough people got in Vince’s ear to make him change his mind on giving Bret the deal for 20 years. Which is something documented in Wrestling With Shadows. It’s a case of Bret being loyal then being betrayed. I don’t think Bret was right for holding the WWF Championship up but this whole ordeal could’ve been prevented if Vince had stuck to the original deal he signed Bret to. It’s unfortunate WWF didn’t try to work out a deal to keep him if they really wanted to him there.

@afdcg

8 ай бұрын

To be honest Bret Hart was never a main event star material like Shawn Michaels. Vince should have not gone with Tag guys like Bret and Shawn as their mascots. But Prichard, Patterson and Brisco were such marks for Bret Hart and Shawn that they kept telling Vince to put the belt on them. It's the same with Triple H pushing Seth Rollins and Fin Balor type wrestlers and drowning WWF. Bret was never a draw for WWF. Hogan never owed Bret any favors. Bret wasn't drawing and Vince wanted him to leave. All these podcasts where they victimize Bret is crap. In any other promotion Bret and Shawn would be low card talent. Bret should be thankful that he pushed Bret despite him being uncharismatic and bland.

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​​​@@afdcgShawn wasn't drawing either, ditto Luger, Yokozuna and Diesel. Go back to 93 and one thing is clear; WWE ain't looking to make Bret their top guy and all their focus went into Luger, except no matter how hard they tried Luger was an even worse draw than Bret. The same thing happened with Diesel and the same thing happened with HBK. Bret wasn't a Hogan level draw but he was the biggest draw they had at the time which is why the title kept going back to him, that was the situation until Austin got going. You can say Bret wasn't a good draw but he was the best draw they had and they didn't push Bret NEARLY as hard as those other guys. In 95, Bret feuded with Bob Backlund, Hakushi, Lawler, Jean Pierre Lafitte and Isaac Yankem DDS, those were his feuds. If Bret is more over than your champ feuding THOSE guys then it's clear Diesel and HBK absolutely suck at the top of the card. Hell, Bret was more over than Shawn in 96 and he was off for 9 months.

@afdcg

8 ай бұрын

@@Nothereman9999 Bret hart was a good draw? Luger was a big name in NWA. You saying Bret Hart a mid card guys was a bigger draw than Luger is as good as saying Dolph ziggler is a bigger draw than Brock Lesnar. Check the domestic house shows of 93 and compare it with 94 and the house shows of 94 crashed bad when Bret was the champion and then Vince went with Diesel.

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​​​​@@afdcgthen why did Vince choose Bret over Luger after he spent 6 months building Luger as his new top draw? Bret wasn't being built to win the title at WM10, it was Luger. You really think Vince is going to take shit draw over a great draw? That's the dumbest take I've ever heard. The only reason he went with Bret is because he was more over than Luger, period! Luger, Diesel and Shawn ALL got harder pushes as a top guy than Bret ever did yet in all 3 scenarios Vince always went back to Bret. Vince kept going away from Bret because he was looking for a bigger draw but he kept going back to Bret because he couldn't find one until Austin. I never said Bret was a good draw but between 92-97, he was the best draw Vince had except maybe The Undertaker. You mention house shows in 93 but what you don't take into account is the fact Luger wasn't the main event for like 95% of them. To say he was the reason for better attendance in 93 is laughable. They still had Hogan for the first half of that year after all, he main evented more house shows than Luger did! In fact, Undertaker and Bret were the ones closing out most of those 93 shows. In 94 they didn't have Taker most of the year so I'd expect house shows to take a hit.

@GameTime-yj6qv

8 ай бұрын

​@@afdcgI don't know where to start... but maybe I shouldn't waste my time. You sound like a troll. First you say Bret wasn't a main event star like Shawn, and in your next breath you say they should have never gone with Bret and Shawn as the main guys because they were tag team wrestlers. So which was it? Was Shawn main material or just a tag wrestler? I'll also just mention that the wrestling business steadily went down after 1989. It really went down after 92. Can't blame it on Bret Hart. It was the whole business. Even Hogan was losing steam. People were cheering the Undertaker over him in late 91, and cheering for Sid over him in early 92.

Can’t blame Brett for taking that money who wouldn’t!?

@vibezforall99

8 ай бұрын

but what about bret?

@merleshand2442

8 ай бұрын

Money is the only reason I go to work

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​@@merleshand2442yep. No matter how much I love my job I ain't doing it unless I get paid.

If I were Bret, at Survivor Series 1997 (knowing I would be going to WCW for 3 million dollars over three years, 1997 dollars now) I would let Shawn pin me in five seconds with the Canadian flag over me and then let him piss on me and the flag afterwards...but again that's me

@raulo19999

8 ай бұрын

If he really wanted to get back at Vince, he would've just no sold it. "Yup Shawn beat be fair and square." No Mr Mcmahon or it at least puts a damper on it.

Bruce Prichards imitation of Jim Cornette's voice is halarious 😁 ha ha ha

Lol they did everything they could to push him out. They cancelled his contract, which he could have sued and bankrupted them over, Vince explicitly told him he would be jobbed out to Michaels for the next year if he did stay. It was clear Vince only had eyes for HBK, which ended up biting him in the ass in a few months when he faked his injuries and lost his smile…

@rudistorm3348

6 ай бұрын

That would not have bankrupted the business. LOL

The Montreal '97 Screwjob was a similar variant of the Wendi Richter '85 screw job. Prichard knows the Montreal '97 screw job was a work with Shawn Michaels playing the role of the Spiderlady.

"We didn't want him to leave..." - they told him they were resizing as a NY only promotion and were giving him a heads up so he could get the best WCW deal. Lies. Then in December they offer Warrior more money than Bret was on! No wonder Bret is "bitter".

Truth will likely never be told, not by Bruce for sure...about anything.

Bret is the greatest. He should have put Andre in the Sharpshooter.

i think bret should of stayed in wwe he could of wrestled longer in wwe and retired at wrestlemania 20 and have his last match with kurt angle at wm20

I love Bruce because of certain parts of history like he is a big great part of mine but I am sick of Bruce because of these comments as if us older die hard fans don’t know!! I’ve been listening to The this podcast the most part before anyone comes at me.He contradicts things he has said in the past and always does and as if we don’t know through years of hearing these interviews/comments.

BP is a spineless company man

BRET DID NOT WANT TO LEAVE

Letting Bret go and signing Hulk would have been a bad move in what was it? 96/97? Keeping Bret was the smarter move at that point. He was instrumental in pushing Steve to the next level.

@deadend1041

8 ай бұрын

Are you serious? In 1996 Hulk Hogan turns heel for the first time and it's the biggest thing that ever happened to wrestling. It is still unmatched

@rathraven1313

8 ай бұрын

@@deadend1041 Except Hogan wasn't going to be a heel with Vince.

@maxxdahl6062

7 ай бұрын

@@rathraven1313 No way he's being a face after the reaction to his heel turn.

Funny way to show u want him screw him out of the belt and not honour his contract im sure had vince kept.his contract he wouldnt of minded losing the belt cause im sure he would of won it.back eventually

The thing is is that they should have respected bret harts wishes more but Bret should have met them in the middle regardless of how he felt about Shawn Michaels at the end of the day business is business and he should have dropped the title a few weeks before Survivor series and they gave him the option and he said no so that's why they screwed him because he wasn't willing to negotiate and they was really scared he's going to take the title to WCW

@joshuasteward6097

5 ай бұрын

Vince also refused scenarios Bret suggested including guys he would drop the title to. That is in the documentary. Vince should have let Bret drop the title on his terms and then given it to Shawn. Vince being paranoid that Bret will bring the wwf belt on wcw tv is one part of the story. It is also bs because he did it first in 91 with the nwa belt when Flair came over.

Bret Hart was told in person by Vince McMahon that he could not sustain his current contract. I'm pretty sure that Bret Hart was not going to be willing to take a temporary paycut in order to help the WWE out while they were going through rough financial times. Now put yourself in Bret's postion. He's got a family to take care of and bills to pay like anyone else and he's already making $1 million dollars per year. But it's not guaranteed, he's spending 300+ days on the road, and at the age of 40 he's feeling the abuse catching up to him. Along comes Eric Bischoff and offers you $9 Million Dollars over a 3 year period(Bret Hart said that in Wrestling with Shadows), it's GUARANTEED MONEY whether he shows up or not and he's only required to work a maximum of 180 days out of a year versus 300 or more per year. I can't blame Bret Hart for taking that deal. Plus WCW's ring was like a Serta Matress while the WWE's ring was like cement.

"We didn't want him to go" ... nicely.

what no one ever explains is why did Vince put the strap on Bret in Aug of 97 and then just 1 month later in NYC ask Bret to leave and go to WCW? Vince is always know for long term planning and it baffles me as to why no one from WWE at the time explains the reason for giving Bret the belt at summerslam if just a few weeks later they want him out of the company after 13 years and the past 5 years as their top star?

@bigben618

7 ай бұрын

They did that to set up the Montreal Screwjob. It was all a work. Bret was in on it 😉

I only listen to Bruce in hopes he does his Cornette impersonation

Question if Vince has instead got rid of shawn and Hunter would that equal Bret's salary Most of the locker room was for Bret and the result would have been no pushing of mid card talent like Triple H

Bayley still has a job with wwe somehow

The Browns and DeShawn Watson hahaaaa is WCW Bret Heart

The Bottom line is this. Vince Jr. IS NOT Vince Sr. no matter how much the talent may have wished and wanted him to be. Vince Sr. was a man of his word, while Vince Jr. was a man who was far too easily manipulated by certain talent that would cry to him (IE: Hogan, Michaels, etc.), and break his word to other talent, to placate the crybabies.

"We chose brett" lol - the simple fact is wcw would have just offered hogan a lot more money then wwf could have afforded - he was Bischoff's golden goose. there was no way in hell the wwf was getting hogan back in 96, 97 or 98. Money talks, brotha

Wow imagine WWF getting Hogan and Savage back in 97.

I miss read the title and thought it said "Bruce Hart"... like how gives a fudge what bruce hart does!?

Yes, you did want him to go.

From listening to this pod and 83 weeks… I have to hand it to Conrad…. He gives all the shit to everyone.

@joshuasteward6097

5 ай бұрын

He is most often the one full of it. Acting like him reading Meltzer makes him more accurate than the guys who were there.

People forget that Vince extended the In your house PPVs to 3 hours and started charging more for them. After the boost in revenue, Vince actually came to Bret in October of 97 to tell him that he could afford his contract after all. Bret wanted to keep his options open and considering that Bret wasn’t comfortable with the transition to the attitude era, Vince encouraged him to take the WCW deal.

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but Vinces reliability had taken a shot by then. Bret may have been thinking "2 months ago you couldn't honor it, now you can, what happens in 6 months from now? How do I know you're not just screwing my deal with Turner?". The trust had already been ruined and WCW for over a year was steadfast on giving Bret 3 million a year. Even if Bret didn't want to go to WCW, knowing you'll get your deal honored makes a huge difference.

@bryanmack4054

8 ай бұрын

@@Nothereman9999 absolutely correct…if I was in Bret’s shoes, I probably would’ve made the same choice….now granted…losing to Shawn in Montreal is a separate discussion but had it not been for Bret’s stubborn nature, we wouldn’t have had the Mr Mcmahon character which was the perfect antagonist for Austin

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​@@bryanmack4054that's very true. I always wondered though, if Vince pitched the screwjob ending to Bret as a work, would he have gone along with it? He very well might have as it's done in a way that helps him greatly going to WCW.

@bryanmack4054

8 ай бұрын

@@Nothereman9999 I’m not one of those who think the whole thing was a work…wrestling fans are cynical…like the boy who cried wolf..they’re so used to getting worked that when something real actually does happen, they’ll refuse to believe it. I kinda wish it was a work to be honest. Bret does his run with WCW then immediately comes back to wwf to challenge evil mcmahon but it was not to be

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

​​@@bryanmack4054I agree it definitely wasn't a work, if it was we would've seen Bret back a lot sooner than 2010. At the same time, I feel if there was an ending Bret would've gone for, it would've been this ending. It was definitely a shoot but I also feel they could've done this ending without it being a shoot as it does Bret alot of favors going to WCW.

WWF should have never let Hulk go. He WAS the WWF.

@robmetaldeth1889

7 ай бұрын

There was nothing left for Hogan in the WWF. Aging, played out and boring. They went younger and it worked out in the long run for Vince AND Hogan. WCW were committed to their veterans and Hogan went for it as did Savage.

Cmon bruce. Everyone knows vince forced him out to get out of a contract, he was gonna go woth austin and didnt need bret. He was probably right too but bret did not want to leave. He was made to.

Man. There are very few people who get interviewed less believable than Prichard. His pro-WWE Management view is always SO unreliable.

Having a bad day

....just made it impossible for him to stay.

bret should of stayed in wwf he probably would of wrestled up to 2010 like shawn micheals did bret vs brock lesner would of been good in 2002 or 2003 if bret had stayed in wwf

I was always wondering what the hell WWF would've done with Hogan in 97? He couldn't be Hollywood Hogan there. And this was PEAK ALTITUDE era. Stone Cold was the the guy. Hogan would've ruined it.

@wingedhussar1453

5 ай бұрын

Why can't he be heel hogan?

@johnnymedrano7081

5 ай бұрын

@@wingedhussar1453 wouldn't have worked at all.

@wingedhussar1453

5 ай бұрын

@@johnnymedrano7081 why

This are the facts no one wanted Bret to leave but it got to the point it was Bret or Shawn. Shawn was younger & had a very let’s say ‘Special relationship’ with HBK 😅😂😅. The rest of the WWF wanted to keep Bret he was a good guy & all wanted HBK gone cause he was a terrible person why he kept Shawn over Bret no one understands. Tyson could of came in for Bret v Austin at WM14 & Bret do the honors in return for stone cold.

I would’ve stayed if I were Brett. I’d have played all nice and asked for a rematch with Michael’s where upon I’d have stretched his ass good and proper.

Then pay the man.

If I was Bret I would just lost my smile. HBK was a pain , I have no time for that in my life. Vince scewed Bret because Bret belive Vince was his , but he was his boss. Hogan was not leaving WCW in 97 . I don't care what they say. Mancho Man sure was not coming to the Fed in 97. They use it for leaverage.

They showed total disrespect for Brett heart thats why he left

Hulk Hogan wasn't wanted by wwe in 97 or 98 cause they wanted young.

So he could only have Bret or hogan and they chose Bret? With a total budget of $9M, Hogan was never an option.

@hw5091

8 ай бұрын

Hogan made like a mil a month with everything included in wcw. Plus they knew Hogan wasn't going anywhere w the deal n dates he had going.

@raulo19999

8 ай бұрын

@hw5091 exactly. Hogan wasn't stupid. He was gonna ride that gravy train until the wheels fell off. Savage wasn't leaving either. And you're right about the dates. I bet hogan didn't work 100 days a year. Vince would've had him for 300. He would've killed the attitude Era anyway

@hw5091

8 ай бұрын

well, him, hall n nash started the attitude era. without hogan there is no second boom. Also without hart being such a dummy about losing a fake title, there is no mr mcmahon to make austin a huge star w some staying power. had mcmahon gotten hogan, he would've ran down hogans body within a year, a body that was already ravaged by injuries and age. itd have been bad all around. @@raulo19999

Because Meltzer was in the room? Crawl out of his hole, Conrad…

9:07 Conrad is a liar. Bret was NOT the IC champ when he was in talks with WCW in 1992. He had just lost to the belt Mountie and he was unhappy with the direction his character was going in

Brett in wcw. Was a trainwreck. Mis used him 👋

Bret should've just stayed.

Quit lying , y’all screwed him bc y’all though Shawn was better . Vince’s guy etc . You screwed him in his home. You screwed him with his own move. How can y’all say you didn’t want him to go ?

Big Bret fan here but he was a fool for thinking he could just drop the belt the next night after SS and just leave, Vince couldn’t take a chance with Bret showing up on Nitro with the belt, now obviously that wouldn’t have happened with legal but Vince couldn’t take a chance with Nitro being live the next night for Bischoff announcing he had just signed the current WWF champion, Vince had to think on his feet and get the belt off Bret, Bret was a big baby for not doing business and dropping the title to Michaels

@arvind13

8 ай бұрын

Vince didn’t want to do business by not honouring Bret’s contract in which he has creative control for the last 30 days and the finish has to be decided on by both parties. Bret was open to losing the title to anybody but Shawn, and he would have put over Shawn too if Shawn had not made that idiotic comment to Bret that he would never put Bret over. Bottom line: Bret hat creative control in his contract. Vince refused to do business by lying to Bret and agreeing to a finish and then screwing him. Now THAT is unprofessional

@darrylhenry3188

7 ай бұрын

This is bullshit Bruce Bret knew he was leaving and he wouldn't do what flair did when he took the belt with him in 91 to go to WWF I bet you if they would have listened to Mark aka undertaker Bret would have dropped the belt to him in ss. Shit Bret probably would have even dropped the belt to Austin because they were friends and Bret helped get Austin over . But Vince had his face up Shawn Michaels ass so much lied to Bret after they talked and that was why you saw Bret so pissed taker and people like Rick rude. Could you imagine if Bret stayed and didn't sign the contract with wcw Vince paid him he kept the belt after ss Austin wins the Royal rumble and Bret vs Austin wrestle mania that would have been huge and Bret has to chase him down to get the belt back while both of them hate Vince and Vince was trying to screw them both that would have been awesome

@RedRaptor7

7 ай бұрын

@@arvind13 Bret had “reasonable” creative control, keyword there is resonable, He said he wanted to go out “in a classy way and just hand the belt over the next night” that just doesn’t happen when both companies were battling against each other and literally killing each other every week, Vince had to do something because Bret was being such a baby and not doing business, it’s not real Bret, take the L and move on

@arvind13

7 ай бұрын

@@RedRaptor7 reasonable creative control means both parties have to agree to the finish. And Bret was willing to drop it to anybody other than Shawn Michaels and in Montreal. When it was decided that screwjob was going to happen, Vince lied to him and told him he can leave anyway he wanted and Bret said I’ll forfeit the title the next night. You said it’s not real. Tell Vince that. Tell Shawn that. Bret forfeiting the belt wouldn’t have put wwf out of business. That’s bs. They would have gone on with Austin and Wcw would have imploded anyways. And Bret was willing to put over Shawn too before Shawn idiotically told him he would never put Bret over. Bret was doing business. It was Shawn and Vince who were being unprofessional. Vince didn’t want to honour Bret’s contract and lied to Bret. That’s the perfect example of unprofessional and not wanting to do business

@RedRaptor7

7 ай бұрын

@@arvind13 Vince was the boss and if he says your dropping the strap then you do it, Vince even said on the Michael Landsberg show that you can’t say no in this business, Bret not wanting to do a job in Montreal is just ludicrous and ridiclous. Bret was such a mark for himself he should have just put Shawn over and moved on, It’s not like Shawn went on a big run with the belt as he put Austin over at wm14 in a changing of the guard for the company. Bret didn’t want to do business so Vince did it for him

Bret was mad Hogan didnt put him over before leaving. Then tries to do the same thing and is mad he got screwed out of it with Shawn.

If you wanted Bret to stay you would have never let him go. Piss off.

Bruce is so epically full of shit , it’s impressive

Bullshit. Bret just didn't fit into the attitude programming, he was a wrestler of a bygone era, I wouldn't have kept him either. But if you wanted to keep him you would have, just like Vince could have kept Nash and Hall if he wanted to.

Look. At this point… wcw was over big. For the most part wwf was still doing evil dentists and bad irs guys…. Repo man…. Wcw was doing the nwo. Like it or not Bischoff changed the wrestling game and it’s never been the same since. Eric admitted that the Mr McMahon character was a bigger better version of heel Eric. Strange that both both Bruce and Eric don’t hesitate to say that Dave meltzer is a pice of shit dirt rag guy who made crap up.

Letting Bret go, the InVasion storyline and ending Taker’s streak are 3 things Vince dropped the ball on. Smh.

Bret over Hollywood haha. That must've been a one in the hand situation.

Haha make some sh up. How can u not like the rad

Bret wasn't a big draw and didn't bring in huge crowds (except for canada) Vince realized Bret wasn't worth it and decided to just let Bret go. Brets sensitive ego couldn't handle it, so he threw a fit and refused to lose the belt, so Vince had no choice but to take it. Bret screwed Bret

Who cares. Breyer was a joke

Bret wouldn’t have fit in the WWF in 98, Shawn didn’t

@romans52345-cy3tq

8 ай бұрын

No he wouldn't have and after WM14 Shawn Michaels's (like you said) character (though brash, vulgar, and Edgy) would not have fit either because after WM14 they had every bit of star power they needed going forward. Bret and Shawn would have fit in the WWF in 1998 just as much as Warrior would have

@Nothereman9999

8 ай бұрын

I don't know how well he would've fit in late 98/99 but he was the perfect guy to help transition to the new era, as he represented the old era. That alone could've kept him a top heel for a while, just because his work was good enough to make it work.

Bret needed to go. He would have been a hindrance through 98-2000.

FACT: Dave Meltzer is so bad. worst mark ever.

Bret sure does hold grudges holy shit.