I keep seeing a couple comments saying the footage is sped up on my swinging clips… Dumbasses, idk if u have ears but you can literally hear the in game audio for all of the clips. Also for the ppl that keep leaving shit arguments against my points, there’s a discord link in the description.

@3rdpartydoney

4 ай бұрын

it just looks like it's hella sped up.

@C0LIN.

4 ай бұрын

@@3rdpartydoney get good

@CheosgamerX-ik1kq

4 ай бұрын

​@@C0LIN.I want to point out that i love that picture of spider man you use in your videos it's perfect for when your analyzing/criticizing

@goofyahhmcburb

4 ай бұрын

7:48 epic

@wondaz6395

4 ай бұрын

@@3rdpartydoneymaybe because if you turn off swing assist you build up more speed. A ”reward” for playing a higher swinging difficulty

This reminds me of those reviews saying DMC5 had shitty battle osts not knowing that the songs were tied to your performance in combat

@worthyedge9307

4 ай бұрын

Oh my god thats so accurate Its like they are snitching on their own bad gameplay

@hdb1975

4 ай бұрын

except DMC5 actually requires skill unlike this game

@SpeedKing..

4 ай бұрын

​@@hdb1975if I played like you on easy mode I'd be saying that too

@hdb1975

4 ай бұрын

lmfao dont make me laugh, spiderman 2 was easy af on the hardest difficulty beat DMD mode and get back to me@@SpeedKing..

@sgtroach1510

4 ай бұрын

@@hdb1975I think you need to go outside more often if it’s still easy on the hardest difficulty

Honestly the traversal is amazing compared to the first game and that’s what I wanted… not copy and paste…

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

I can’t even go back to Spider-Man PS4

@potato_duud6166

5 ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. same. i wanted to play the story again but i gave up before i could even get to the frisk tower because the movement was so slow

@masteroflegobuilds9643

5 ай бұрын

Same spider-man PS4 might have started the trilogy cause to be honest it's gonna be a W trilogy but Spider-man 2 for PS5 added on to it and made it better than it already was.

@danevisser1927

5 ай бұрын

It’s like trying to go back to Arkham asylum combat after Arkham knight

@saucesecuas

4 ай бұрын

​@@C0LIN. Definitely- I played it recently again for the ng+ achievement for the platinum, and I was constantly trying to pull out my web wings, and open the FNSM app. It's so weird.

I saw his vid a while ago, and was laughing my ass off when one of the comments said "see, this is what I like about dark space, he's not a biased hater, he makes his argument based on objective flaws in the game"

@igg7865

5 ай бұрын

i was looking at rhat yesterday lmao

@raines5849

5 ай бұрын

If you say terminology, talk in a monotone voice, and make false references you can make anybody believe you

@lm_slayer1

5 ай бұрын

@@raines5849 the fact that this holds truth is painful

@soleonshae8657

4 ай бұрын

​@@raines5849 I'm beginning to see a pattern... I don't like it

@Majorwindy

Ай бұрын

@@raines5849I hate the video essayist voice so much. It reeks of untrustworthiness

genuinely the only issue i have with the swinging is how you can’t run on the ground while swinging so it doesn’t fully kill momentum but it does make you play way smarter so meh

@SonicForces-jx7vb

4 ай бұрын

Let's hope that gets added in the next game

@Nolabray21

4 ай бұрын

I wish you could swing close to the ground and just slide on it or something beside the cars like the movies did

@Nolabray21

4 ай бұрын

Maybe the final game will eventually add it

@SonicForces-jx7vb

4 ай бұрын

@@Nolabray21 or like you can drag ur hand on the ground while swinging like when Peter got his advanced suit in the first game

@gannielukks1811

4 ай бұрын

​@@SonicForces-jx7vbYeah, it's sad that there's a cutscene where you do that but you can't in-game

I think the worst point he made was trying to connect the story tone to traversal. He really should have double checked his script before publishing the video

@logantlg7208

5 ай бұрын

I also just finished the game, it was pretty good. Though the game having no new game plus on launch is criminal

@mememasterc

4 ай бұрын

​@@logantlg7208I think they said they're releasing in January or somewhere around there

@logantlg7208

4 ай бұрын

@@mememasterc yea I think their exact wording was “early 2024”

@dallaire876

4 ай бұрын

​​@@mememasterc Still unacceptable It's 90 dollars 100 with tax And I can't even change the time of day 💀

@mememasterc

4 ай бұрын

@dallaire876 what version you buyin bub it's $70 for the base version

Dude watching you swing makes me jealous. You have the reaction times of the real spiderman while going so fast, its honestly impressive. I need more practice 😂

@hasanadeel959

5 ай бұрын

I think it looks faster than normal cuz of the camera settings you can easily achieve those speeds with some practice but to keep it you need to fully master all the traversal ability's and know when and how to use them and make your own moves as well like colin uses the ground smash as a dive to keep speed

@brandonjaimes8522

4 ай бұрын

It looks sped up ngl

@hasanadeel959

4 ай бұрын

@@brandonjaimes8522 it isnt i tried hid camera settings it looks the same

@soulbrant10010

4 ай бұрын

@@brandonjaimes8522it does but it’s not. there’s many ppl on youtube who swing just as fast

@tsa_ronnie6147

4 ай бұрын

@@brandonjaimes8522 yeah

At times it looks like he's just holding R2 he's not even pressing X at the end of the swings 💀

@hasanadeel959

5 ай бұрын

Exactly and plus he aint even using most of the other traversal abilities like point launch,corner teathers,spider jump and dash like the game is a whole lot more fun if u master it

@hammer-0

5 ай бұрын

@@hasanadeel959 some of these people just don't know how to utilize the options insomniac gives us

@NinjagoNoober

4 ай бұрын

FR!! finally someone saying it. istg thy always be like “the swinging is so slow!!” Then they show gameplay and they’re just ass

Sm2's swinging has a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling, the truth is that when going at extremely high speeds especially on 0 swing assist its actually quite a challenge to keep momentum going and requires a good amount of skill especially while being flashy.

@Wanteyt

5 ай бұрын

😂 just play for 30 min to 1 hour, you'll get it not that hard lol

@SpectacularEdits_

5 ай бұрын

@@Wanteyt ive been playing the game for like 20 hours and i still make constant mistakes. its easy with swing assist but without, its a challenge.

@AllWeNeededWas

5 ай бұрын

@@SpectacularEdits_Imma 0 swing assist hater n I cant even lie u spittin

@alexsanimeart5706

5 ай бұрын

I got 130hrs on the game and I'm still not perfect. You're never gonna be perfect. There's human error when you're swinging. Just like with anything​@@Wanteyt

@bowerhttps_

4 ай бұрын

It's a single player ffs why do people brag skill about this game, it was made for fun not to compete with other people holy shi1

This game legit has some of the greatest traversal ive ever seen in a video game, and the fact that some people really think that the jank ps2 movie tie in game has better traversal is fucking hilarious to me.

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

The movie game has great traversal but it's not without problems

@alexsanimeart5706

5 ай бұрын

Preach

@Codyslx

4 ай бұрын

Have you played the ps2 movie game?

@sirc1

4 ай бұрын

i pray you play better games

@SpectacularSpidey670

4 ай бұрын

you literally should be grateful for that game, because if wasnt for him and Ultimate Spider-Man, the new mechanics for Insomniac's web swing wouldnt have existed, like they are LITERALLY the blueprint for 3d open world games of Spider-Man

The only reason the game is acting the way he claims is because of the swing assist being so high. Even on 1 it doesnt behave this way.

@youngspecial64

4 ай бұрын

First of all... what that GUY needed to focus on the most is on 0% with fall damage on. And speak what he has to say. 10% with no fall damage is bassically for the children. We don't focus on that.

@Sirekraven

Ай бұрын

Amen

This is like playing on the easiest difficulty and complaining that the game isnt hard enough

@breakplayz3598

4 ай бұрын

Basically almost the exact same scenario

@vulcanrampage4015

4 ай бұрын

Synthetic Man vids is the perfect example of your statement. Dude's playing on the easiest difficulty but still got his ass beaten lmao

Whats you're spider man 2 settings, I need to know

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

Swing camera motion - 0 Swing assist - 0 Slow corner - off Fall damage - on Shortcut - charge jump Camera follow - fast Combat camera - on Sensitivity - 7 Pinning this for anyone else who asks

@chetankalyanreddyarabandi2818

5 ай бұрын

​@@C0LIN.I owe you

@ayobruh_5

5 ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. thank you so much

@ayobruh_5

5 ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. those settings apply for the fov?

@LaFlame98

5 ай бұрын

@@ayobruh_5 fov isn’t in Spider-Man I don’t think

I love the traversal in the game😜 I just wish Peter had 3 more falling poses with holding the square button. I'd love him to get his camera out check the film or read the paper with him on the front page be awesome!

@SonofD500Editz

5 ай бұрын

Ok, that’s a great idea that I now want.

@gannielukks1811

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, they didn't add the same amount of animations that Miles has. They purposefully let Peter have less animation than Miles

@dunistaygeekin

4 ай бұрын

@@gannielukks1811of course you know miles with his exaggerated swagger of a black teen

@ItsOver9000Productions

4 ай бұрын

​@@gannielukks1811tbf they just ported over miles animations from his own game. Not much new

I'm always glad when you make these videos. I get Spider-Man 2 wasn't the greatest game to grace mankind but I hate how many people try to act like this is the first game, again. It feels like the goal is to get people to not bother with the game and bring it down because it's not the Spider-Man 2 Movie game

@hammer-0

5 ай бұрын

They also try to act like this game such a downgrade while they constantly try to prasie the first game. I can understand story but you have to be delusional to think the gameplay for Spiderman ps4 is better then Spiderman 2

@Looptroop98

5 ай бұрын

I’m so tired of hearing they played safe when I know they don’t understand what risk taking is

@tjperkins7750

5 ай бұрын

@@hammer-0literally because before Spider-Man 2 all these people were saying the first game is overrated and just not the best, but now since spiderman 2 is out, now they all trynna hop back on SM1 and act like it’s just so much better😭😭 like make it make sense

@hammer-0

5 ай бұрын

@@tjperkins7750 fr and when you ask for a valid reason why it's trash its mostly just story and not gameplay. People standards are so inconsistent it's annoying

@tjperkins7750

5 ай бұрын

@@hammer-0 facts

I saw dark space's video and the shit he complained about was the equivalent of complaining that NJ isn't a part of the open world.

People can’t seem to comprehend that casually fucking up on everything doesn’t mean the games traversal bad or even lacking.

@Noonehere14559

Ай бұрын

Fr

I love how people like shown in this video criticize the swinging without out having any skill whatsoever with swinging

@alexsanimeart5706

4 ай бұрын

It's hard to watch them swing

@NinjagoNoober

4 ай бұрын

Istg these types of people didn’t even play the first mission because these mfs do NOT jump when they swing like

@Robbinson98

Ай бұрын

​@@NinjagoNooberI literally only found out that the first game forces you to let go of your web from a video reviewing the game that mentioned it because I kept doing what the game suggested I do and jump off of every swing. It's so weird to me how it gets brought up a lot like some hard argument against the Insomniac swinging system.

Thank god i wasn’t the only one who saw through this dudes horrible takes I guarantee you in the next few games when the swinging system is perfected completely like putting your hand on the floor while swinging, web climbing, etc, someone will still find a way to complain

@Sirekraven

Ай бұрын

Oh 100%, no matter what a great game Spiderman is someone will find a flaw, even if they have to dig deep to find it.

I think these guys who think the 2004 tie in game has better swinging than Insomniac Games’ web swinging are legitimately blind by nostalgia or something like that or they just flip the two game’s swinging systems in their brains somehow. Also Muffins

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

You could make the argument the movie game has better traversal than the first 2 games, but definitely not Spider-Man 2 PS5

@SHMidlerPlays

5 ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. by the first two games I take it you mean the 2000 Neversoft game and the 2002 tie in game right? That is what I am assuming right now now, just wanting to confirm

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

@@SHMidlerPlays lol

@SHMidlerPlays

5 ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. also there were technically 3 games with that old clunky traversal system, you forgot about Spider-Man 2 Enter Electro (just wanted to remind you as I know most people forget that game exists). But even so, I do agree the 2004 movie tie-in game’s web swinging is so much better than those previous 3 games. I never was a fan of the web swinging in the Neversoft game but I let it go as I feel other aspects of the game make up for that

@hasanadeel959

5 ай бұрын

@@SHMidlerPlayshes talking about spider man ps4 and miles morales

I think that Whitelight’s video on AC Unity’s parkour is relevant here. Intrinsic motivation to traverse quickly while still looking flashy is still motivation

@Sirekraven

Ай бұрын

Well said and that video truly explains it in detail. This guy with his logical fallacies that thinks the old Spiderman games compare!

Aside from everything Insomniac added, the sheer amount of speed you can get adds a lot of skill to the game- trying not to lose momentum is a greater challenge in the sequel because you move so much faster. Insomniac’s Spidey games are top tier, great video.

I've noticed that some of these people make it seem like the web swinging in these spiderman games are bad or something and as someone who has hundreds of hours in these games all it takes is to find someone out there with any decent gameplay footage to show these people that the web swinging isnt as bad as some people are making it out to be

Im so glad KZreadrs like colin exist because I’ve been really sick of these video essay channels that literally lie. They lie about game mechanics, they lie about the stories, they just lie so much and it’s unbelievable how people just agree??? Like they can be debunked by playing the game??? Its so annoying lmfao

@collinwiniarski4703

5 ай бұрын

Most ironic comment award 🥇

@BebeSensei

5 ай бұрын

@@collinwiniarski4703 you already left a comment on this video pissing yourself bc it has a differing opinion, hop off

@t3rbtetra1227

4 ай бұрын

@@collinwiniarski4703Didn’t your point get debunked by 1 person Mixed with colin adding on? Your comment has earned the most unnecessary cause you wasted time on it

@riskeyskz

4 ай бұрын

The amazing Lucas already shitted on Colin the first game in 2018 was dope miles morales was dope but 2 is complete mid. Brooklyn and queens could’ve been a lot bigger cause it’s not shaped like Manhattan web swinging needs some improvement there’s nothing wrong with that and people wanting that yall just good with insomniac giving the bare minimum.

@viliamsneakman1508

4 ай бұрын

under the mayo and synthetic man in a nutshell

2 minutes into the video and I’m already annoyed at bro in the video we reacting too💀

@thegreatacolyt1277

5 ай бұрын

Real

@LoksTheGamer

5 ай бұрын

That happens a lot with these debunk/reaction videos 😂

@thegreatacolyt1277

5 ай бұрын

@@LoksTheGamer yeah

I wanna see someone genuinely try and do some of the things you can do in Spider-Man 2 ps5 in Spider-Man 2 the movie game

@Mr.Dew0527

5 ай бұрын

It would just be a compilation of crashing into walls and dying

@vulcanrampage4015

4 ай бұрын

Spoiler: nobody can. Different games, different systems, different mechanics. It's actually hilarious why some people kept saying the traversal in Spider-Man 2 movie game is better than Spider-Man 2 PS5

@Mr.Dew0527

4 ай бұрын

@@vulcanrampage4015 my point is that you can do a lot of the things the movie game can (trick wise) in Spider-Man ps5 but not the other way around

@Mr.Dew0527

4 ай бұрын

I still love the movie game but it can’t be the best forever

"the wingsuit dosent allow you to glide but to fly" The wingsuit literally only helps you glide when you turn the swing assist to 0, i might be wrong but when i play with swinf assist off it does feel that way

Another banger, I feel like people put 2004 movie game too high on a pedestal. While Spider-man 2 doesn’t hit as good story wise compared to first (the stuff there was still fire), the traversal is peak. A common issue I see is people saying “It isn’t as fast as web of shadows and the movie game.” Which I can understand in a way but faster doesn’t always equal better.

@jerm70

4 ай бұрын

The older games are going to have better traversal. This isn't putting the games on a pedestal. This is a fact of reality. Spider-Man's webswinging in Ultimate and Spider-Man 2 (Movie) are not hacks. They are the real deal. It's actual physics. Spider-Man (Modern) relies on animations and hackery to make its Webswinging work. There are issues with the older titles but the newer ones are fundamentally flawed because they rely on you not paying attention to the animation too closely or trying to break it.

@futureblade6099

4 ай бұрын

​@@jerm70 better traversal is debatable.

Personally I like the automated animation it looks cool and can make you screwing up look like a happy accident (which is intended as mentioned by the developers) really the only issue is not running on the ground which I hope gets added Disney infinity did it so hopefully Spider-Man 3 can too

People have run out of ideas to hate this game and it shows

Hey Colin, I just want to say thank you! I feel like I've been going crazy, I keep seeing videos of pepole talking about how "bad" this game is. So thanks for reinforcing this is actually a really good game.

@Ai_-_-_

4 ай бұрын

same bro the hate on this game is crazy

The fact that you can look at someone's swinging and think to yourself that "They're swinging wrong" says a lot about the density of the traversal system. When I see the people that criticize Insomniac's swinging mechanics their swinging style is basically unbearable to watch most of the time. Also can't watch people who are bad at video games in general swing. It's so tough to watch

Spider-Man 2 is the only game with the greatest traversal system in any open worlds and still gets hated on for its traversal by idiots

@collinwiniarski4703

5 ай бұрын

People who like different things than me are dumb stupid idiots 😤

@Dr._Mantis_Toboggan_Md.

4 ай бұрын

@@collinwiniarski4703 well, you are, as you proved with your long-@ss, horrible , br@ind€@d take under this vid.

@chandllerburse737

4 ай бұрын

Just cause 3 and 4 have a great traversal system too and Arkham Knights is also good.

@alexsanimeart5706

4 ай бұрын

@@chandllerburse737 Can't speak on JC3, but Arkham is nowhere close in-terms of creativity imo

@chandllerburse737

4 ай бұрын

@@alexsanimeart5706 arkham is better You didn’t even play Knight if you think it isn’t at least creative with how they evolved it from city.

29:34 i didnt even know you can go underwater wtf

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

lol me neither

@gannielukks1811

4 ай бұрын

It's a bug you can do sometimes whiler corner thetering boats

His criticism about the physics not being in the game and how it would be cooler if spidey dropped a bit while waiting for the web to attach to the building is a valid point that I think would have added to the over all experience. Idk he brings up some good points but just words them weird like calling swinging “obsolete”

imo i think that in the third game if they are adding a run on the ground mechanic, they should make it like the skiing on the water mechanic. (or whatever its called) Spiderman could maybe start to slow down and eventually stop making the player have to jump back up quickly. Overall insomniac has probably made one of the best traversal systems in video game history.

@frmacst108

4 ай бұрын

I mean skiing on water is bad enough. Skiing on pavement would destroy Spider-Man’s feet

@SpectacularEdits_

4 ай бұрын

@@frmacst108 no not skiing on pavement. i mean like yknow how spiderman sinks if u dont jump fast enough? maybe he will stop running if you dont jump fast enough

@youngspecial64

4 ай бұрын

​@@SpectacularEdits_i think he was sarcastically joking. You honestly prove a good point.

@SpectacularEdits_

4 ай бұрын

@@youngspecial64 oh lol, i didn’t realize if that was the case.

My perspective: Yes, Spider-Man should run faster and downwards on walls Spider-Man should be able to run along the ground while swinging. You should be able to manually control when you let go of web lines. Coming off that, you should be able to manually aim your next web line to swing from. Being able to sling shot like The Amazing Spider-Man 2 game would be nice, and you should be able to get from island to island with momentum. A faster, more fleshed out swimming system would be nice. Thing is, these things are nice-to-haves, not vitals. The web swinging system is pretty much the best there ever has been. Except wall crawling, which is my only actual complaint. It still sucks. The TASM games did wall crawling better.

watched this yesterday and immediately went “Colin’s gonna tear this guy a new one”

The Spider-Man 2 traversal is great….but no matter how great it is, some idiots will always find a way to hate on it. Thats just how things are. Spider-Man 3 could be a 10/10 game. 10/10 story, 10/10 traversal, 10/10 combat. but people always find a way to hate on. games like GOW Ragnarok and RDR2 are 10/10 but people always find ways to hate them

PSA: Lack of Spiderman face planting into the wall ≠ lack of punishment Lack of realism in a fictional superhero game ≠ lack of quality

24:00 It's almost like if you don't just hold one button the game is actually fun. Did this guy get the same version of the game as the rest of us, or did Insomniac send him the For Kids 4 and Under Version?

You're truly doing some fantastic work by being the voice of the sane part of the Spider-Man community. So refreshing. Dark Space has made some great videos in the past (I'm quite fond of his GTA/Rockstar Games videos) but man, I feel like in this case he let his fancy editing and high production values make up for bad arguments and bad faith. Great work, man.

spider-man 2 movement is the perfect example of low skill floor, high skill ceiling. this dumbass chose the floor and wondered why he couldn’t see the ceiling, he concluded that there mustn’t be one and that there is no skill involved. love the content colin, keep speaking for betterment of the collective braincells of all living things with brains muffins

17:53 I love how there’s just people screaming for Spider-Man’s help and he’s just holding onto a web swinging back and forth

I watched a review about SM2 not too long ago and they pointed out how everyone who plays it has a different way of swinging and that when you watch someone else swing it looks wrong and that's actually really true because I have my own style of swinging which just goes to show how detailed and complex the swinging is in this game

my only real issue with your swinging that i have, and its personal thing, but every time you use one of the movement jumps, you use the other one as well. i always see you using both rather than using them when the specific situation calls for one of them, so whenever you use them i just get the pattern sound of it stuck in my head and it bugs me. but at every other turn your swinging is fantastic and i feel like you more than any one else is very good at highlighting the extreme strengths this swinging system has and just what can achieve.

I swear if I see someone use Spider-Man 2 the movie game to try and debunk Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 one more time…

@Zordyn

5 ай бұрын

(loads shotgun) I just wanna talk to him

@panduvandal

4 ай бұрын

Insomniac's Spiderman 2 is not as good as Spiderman 2 on the PS2 :D

@joshuasamuvel7905

3 ай бұрын

​@@panduvandaldid we ask?

most of these complaints can be explained by their gameplay

What I think he fails to see is that... its a VIDEO GAME adding more realism to the game would take away from looking cool

@raines5849

5 ай бұрын

Dark Space has GTA IV Brain

@nojustno1654

4 ай бұрын

Eh not necessarily adding more realism in the game could improve on the traversal mechanics. However, that would result in the game being a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

“The game does everything for you” *has swing assist on* Like seriously, what, it’s like saying “bro this game is too easy” and being on easy mode

@Eleyrica

4 ай бұрын

Fr

Seems like Spider-Man 2 is the game everyone wants to hate on just like GOWR last year

Man compared just cause 3 a game where you have a jet pack to Spider-Man 2 where you don’t have a jet pack 💀 I took wingsuit personally there called WEBWINGS

This just completely exemplifies how a lot of people criticize the swinging in this game by actively fighting it. Why would anybody slowly swing around a building without letting go of the web even after hitting the wall for any reason that ISN'T just to compare it to the mechanic in the movie game? PLEASE, can these people just actually PLAY the game, maybe then theyd be good enough to finally get above the minimal skill floor 💀

Dark space is right about rockstar he’s wrong about the swinging in sm2

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

Never watched his other vids

@robertlafrance9974

5 ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. oh it’s about rockstar Gtao and rdr2 online videos I was bringing up

People really be out here accusing Insomniac SM2 fans of d-riding the game like the SM2 movie game fans don’t do it even harder. Both games are great and they are both allowed to be great. Plus why are people so surprised that the swinging in the PS4 game and the PS5 game are similar. ITS A SEQUEL. A sequel takes things from the first and adds more to it. Crazy how we never see this same complaint in the Arkham series.🙄🙄🙄 Edit: Just saw the end of the video. So the guy who was upset saying that the game holds ur hand is also saying that he is upset that he has to actually move by himself to get to the Statue of Liberty and praising the game that just has you holding a button to hitch a ride on a helicopter. 😂😂😂😂

@Joker-dn5xs

4 ай бұрын

"A sequel takes thing from the first game and adds more to it. Crazy how we never see this same complaint in the Arkham series." THANK YOU! I'm so sick and tired of this stupid ass argument people want to throw onto Spider-Man 2, as if literally EVERY OTHER SEQUEL -- including Arkham, like you mentioned -- didn't do the same thing. You wanna know and laugh at the absolute hypocrisy? People love to act like Arkham City is the best game of all time (nothing against the game, though I don't necessarily agree. I do like it and understand why people love that game), yet it literally does the same thing that Spider-Man 2 did. Basically just brought in, like, two to three new gadgets, touched up the combat to be more fluid and added a new map... And that's okay... Because it's a SEQUEL! It's supposed to do that. If people are going to shit on Spider-Man 2 for "being safe" then where's that flack for Arkham City? Because all I'm seeing right is a hot load of hypocritical bullshit. Apologies for the wall of text; as you can see, this topic has been very... Draining.

@dariusporter358

4 ай бұрын

@@Joker-dn5xs It’s because Arkham City was considered to be the best superhero game of all time and SM 2 movie game was considered the best SM game of all time so when a game comes that threatens them their fan like to come out with bullsh*t to try to keep those games at the top. I love Arkham City and SM 2 as well but people need to realize when you criticize one thing and ignore it for something you love all ur doing is showing people you’re a hypocrite. Keep in mind, I’m not saying if two games have the same problem you can’t still like one and dislike the other. Like whatever you want. Just don’t try to make it seem like it’s a problem in one and not the other. U can like something and still acknowledge its problems.

@Joker-dn5xs

4 ай бұрын

@@dariusporter358 Exactly, I cannot agree with you more. I really want to give people the benefit of the doubt and I don't want to claim it's just "Da FanBoYS!" But what you say about fans wanting to keep their holy grail intact becomes holds more grounds the more I listen to others "criticism", and it's honestly very unfortunate. I also agree that you don't have to hate/dislike both games because they share the same flaws, just be willing to admit that BOTH games have that problem.

@chandllerburse737

4 ай бұрын

@@Joker-dn5xs I mean Arkham City had an entirely new map it wasn’t the same map but expanded

@t-nator8333

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@Joker-dn5xs glad there’s a comment section of people who actually get it. On FB, I had a long back and forth argument with someone who seemed to be d-riding Batman Arkham City, as it’s put here, and was also making the usual idiotic claims that Spider-Man 2 played it too safe and didn’t do much to improve on its predecessors. I kept explaining how it did and that if the new combat abilities, traversal mechanics, bigger map, greater enemy variety, etc. don’t count as major gameplay improvements, then the improvements made in Arkham City from Asylum shouldn’t mean much either. The response I got was always basically just “no you’re wrong. The Arkham series improvements are more meaningful because… reasons. I win. Bye bye.” Like it’s already been said here, if someone wants to criticize sequels for being similar to their predecessors, they should at least hold that standard for everything and not be a biased, hypocritical fanboy/girl toward a specific series.

bro I love that you use Spider-Man 2 photo mode positions when you talk it's just so funny and smooth because he has the right expressions with what you say 😂

This guy has a hard on for spider-man 2 movie game, why is everything compared to a game from the past, I’ll be honest the webslinging in the movie game was good but nothing special, insomniac web slinging is the best there’s ever been on a spider-man game period.

I feel like Insomniac spiderman 2 swinging is sort of like parkour in the classic assassin's creed games, in that it has a simple control scheme and is highly accessible. If you just hold down a couple of buttons you can get away with being absent minded and, in that regard, it can be problematic because the game itself doesn't really invite the player to challenge themselves. There aren't many cases in classic creed or in spiderman 2 where it really matters if you're good. However, as your clips showed, the player that's willing to dig deeper can really push the limits of both speed and style, with pathfinding ability being a big factor too. It's good to see someone actually showing the speed that can be achieved in Insomniac's swinging 👍

Bro did NOT have to flex on us that hard with his swinging

I love this "no you're actually so mind numbingly wrong I have to respond" content, there's not enough people on the platform that straight up tell people they're reaching and being dumb about their criticism so legitimately and unironically thank you for making this video

THANK YOU bro. Been anticipating this response since that video is so ridiculous it drove me half-crazy watching it. This is actually so much better than if you were to have reacted to it on stream like you did with Synthetic Man's "review". I'm very interested to see how Dark Space would respond.

Tbh i believe you both make good points and seeing the footage of you swinging around has definitely opened up my eyes more! I respect the time and dedication to your learning of the depth. Im always for depth in shmovement [enter dialogue about rocket jumping]. I definitely think it needs to be encouraged more to turn it off in the settings because on the surface it doesnt seem like much of a difference, if you even look through the settings in the firstplace, or watch one of these videos. Like a choice at the start (like difficulty setting in most games) for the depth alternative. A "normal" and "master" web swinging modes would be great! Everyone will know of their existence and game journalists can stay happy. With the "its not physics based, its just animations mostly guided by the game", i kinda get where his coming from, ive built a simular system, look at how the Uncharted climbing works and how you control the direction but it warps to the spot. Its a mixture of root motion animation and motion warping. Spiderman obviously has a point of center of the swing, and orbits around it with a cosmetic web between points. Technically it is physics based, but it you are consistently shoved forward to be able to do loops and effortlessly swing. I DO like this, helps with the flow while keeping depth. Though it does do the Uncharted thing from time to time, whenever you web to a sitting point, touch a ledge etc. But its mooostly for the assist mode. I would also prefer the web on 0 assist not to clip through the wall, but to wrap around with cable physics. Forcing you to keep webbing while going around a building instead of just spinning around it. I get the reason it doesnt is because its only a mesh beam particle but that could of been replaced easily. You mentioned pole swinging which i completely forgot about. Ngl that would add to flow, if you're on the ground you could swing up and launch off (like jumping before going into squatting) and start swinging. But spinning around it building momentum. Not a critique i just think it would be cool. I disagree with both of you with the fact he cant run fast. Design wise this is an incentive to not run around. If you could run fast, players, especially casuals would be more convinced to just run a portion of the game. Just like in Doom, you get punished for playing slow and defensively, here you get punished for not swinging like spiderman would. I know the swinging is fun, but fun isnt an incentive if you get the high speeds with minimum effort. The best games are always those that force the player to play in the most fun ways possible by punishing you for playing it boring. Tbh instead of running up the wall i 100% would of prefered slamming into it rather than running up immediately. With an ability to press a button at the perfect timing to immediately go into the run. But miss the timing and youre now falling with some health loss, still able to attach to it then run up. Adds some more risk vs reward.

Bro spiderman 2 just came out not too long ago and people already got something to say 😭 Also DAMN you’re good at swinging Insomniac COOKED on the swinging bruh making tears come to my eye’s it’s beautiful

@t3rbtetra1227

5 ай бұрын

I’m sorry but is his entire video about dick riding spiderman 2 the movie game?

@thonato295

4 ай бұрын

​@@t3rbtetra1227The movie game? yes

@t3rbtetra1227

4 ай бұрын

@@thonato295called it

@demetriusean

4 ай бұрын

​@@thonato295the nostalgia blinds you

His arguments are so stupid he didn’t even know what he was saying. Some times he would make a statement, and while making another statement makes the first statement not make sense

saw a video called "how the haters swing in spider-man ps4" and it's just a clip of spider-man doing the combat swing constantly...it looks smoother than some critic's legit swinging too.

It’s concerning how many KZreadrs there are that lack critical thinking skills and have platforms to spew this kinda garbage, people who say the swinging and combat are “the same” or even bad are not pushing the limit of what you can really do in the game. My bro who is a baldurs gate nerd keeps saying it’s a button mash game and he hasn’t even tried any of the games. They don’t understand that just because a game is easily accessible doesn’t mean the game lacks a skill ceiling in which you can master the many mechanics that they give you. A game being more difficult or unnecessarily unforgiving doesn’t make it a better game, games are meant to be fun and if a fun game has a high skill ceiling then it gives the people who want more of a challenge room to master it and the people who want easy simulator what they want too. How does that make it bad it’s multifaceted and catered to all different types of players instead of just 1 kind of player

@AG-sj4om

5 ай бұрын

I was arguing with couple people saying the spiderman 2 movie game has better psychics, people really living in the early 2000s I loved that game dearly as a kid but to say it has better psychics than this new game is beyond tarded to me

@t3rbtetra1227

4 ай бұрын

@@AG-sj4omAll they do is dick ride the fucking movie game 😭

So he is meat riding spiderman 2 movie game for its swing physiqs. So are we not gon talk abt web of shadows?

Apparently i need to play spiderman 2 og or something cause i swear people praise it like its the next prophecy

@C0LIN.

5 ай бұрын

pretty good game

The fact that i need to think when i will web swing so i won't fall disproves almost everything he said. Also, how tf do he wants the spider men to turn 180 while he's gliding mid air (talk about realizem). I got what's the point he's trying to make but he does it so poorly

I feel like his argument about "realism" not being as present in Spider-man 2 PS5 doesn't make much sense considering it's a FICTIONAL world with FICTIONAL characters who aren't exactly experiencing the same physics we are. Why does it matter that the Spider-men you play as aren't following real world physics like cancelling all his inertia when wall running? He's already defying the G-forces that would be sucking all the blood from his brain on the first swing anyway. Sure, SOME physics is needed for swinging to feel nice. But as long as the experience is good, why should it matter that it's unrealistic. It's already unrealistic and nobody really cares

The hate arguments for spider man 2 are so brain dead 😭

@mrmelonman2893

5 ай бұрын

Depends on the arguments ngl

@Ichigothagoat

4 ай бұрын

@@Bruh-ko8fl there’s a difference between good and bad criticism

@YuyaSakaki385

4 ай бұрын

@@Bruh-ko8fl people do to accept criticism for this exact one. It does sound stupid because this person is comparing a game made a long time ago with a game that is more recent and also I have played this game is very good so saying Spider-Man fans are toxic because they can’t accept criticism is just because they really love this game and it’s obvious to keep your mouth shut when I tell you have not played this game

@YuyaSakaki385

4 ай бұрын

@@Bruh-ko8fl because people actually like the game just because you don’t think it’s worth 70 bucks does that mean everyone else agrees I am stating people have right to their own opinions and saying oh they need accept criticism sometimes isn’t the best thing but people do accept it sometimes not all the time that is one of the human nature is that people don’t like criticism

@YuyaSakaki385

4 ай бұрын

@@Bruh-ko8fl I never meant to be toxic nor was I saying to shut up what I was trying to say, was in this particular scenario I agree with the points of the review of the video was the person who the guy was reviewing was making very odd but also really stupid comments I do as I explained have some criticisms about this game so sorry if I made you think I meant shut up. Sorry about that.

His point about floating when starting a swing was one I didn't catch on to when I watched the original video, it had me kind of yucked about it because I assumed he was talking about having swing assist disabled. Thanks for pointing out his contradiction, dude!

Where do all the “Marvels Spider-Man 2 is Bad because (insert dumb argument here), look a ps2 game is so much better” this entire discussion is so incredibly stupid. I know the internet love it when people are just negativ but at this point it’s even funny anymore.

Bro people who just hate this game literally never have any good arguments at this point I don’t even care anymore

i find it hard enough to even get to 70 percent of your swinging but then you even rotated your camera!? like you are on diff level dude.

Bro said without being flashy then proceeds to play 8 mins of him being flashy

Like how does bro complain about the swinging being too easy and Automated, when he literally mentions swing assists? 😭🙏

He wants margin of error. He wants the ability to be wrong, which is perfectly fine. All of his criticisms stem from lack of control, and rush in ability to lose. I think you're missing the point of his criticism. However, you do point him out as explicitly wrong mulitple times, so you're not all wrong either. The first couple of minutes felt a bit disingeniuous, and your web swinging footage ran a bit long (good footage though, tbf), but good video. As a web of shadows apologist, I want the wall knee slide back though, shit's fire.

Regarding his point about the Statue of Liberty, you can’t webwing/surf your way there because I’m pretty sure when you get far out enough, there’s an invisible barrier and an image will pop up on the screen saying you’re heading out of bounds; meaning you actually have to break the game if you want to get there. And even if you do that, the island isn’t fully rendered, so you can’t even stand on it; meaning you’re not even supposed be able to be there (perhaps it’ll be a new playable area in the third game). I don’t get why he has to go so in-depth about stuff you can’t do that isn’t even that big of a deal because, like you said, why would we be doing that. I think the swinging is fun in this game. Muffin

“THIS SPIDER-MAN GAME ABOUT A DUDE WHO GOT BIT BY A RADIOACTIVE SPIDER AND HAS SUPER POWERS NOW,BATTLING GUYS MADE OF LITERAL ELECTRICITY HAS BAD WEBSWINGING THAT DEFIES THE LAWS OF PHYSICS AND SHOULDN’T WORK, DOESN’T APPEAL TO REALISM” Huh….wanna say that again buddy?

his swinging vs gliding thing is so laughably wrong that even ign themselves disproved it because even they somehow swung better. You can see his swinging is literally just R2 and forward. he used 0 loops sideways and upwards and did nothing like the slingshot or anything else. Laughable.

spider-man 2 has without question the best traversal system in any game

My favourite comment was when he compared it to racing games and said "they don't steer for you or brake for you" and like... They literally do! If you turn up all the assists in the modern Forza games, the car will literally drive itself - but guess what, most players will turn those down to have a more challenging experience, while they are there to make the games accessible to more people... EXACTLY LIKE SPIDERMAN!!! His own analogy proves quite how contrived his argument is.

God forbid someone have an opinion

its a great time when Colin uploads

Not really about the video, but I can’t wait until the next insomniac spiderman game drops because we all know the swinging will be EVEN BETTER. Each game they’ve improved upon in some way and SM2 improved so much from Miles Morales people just love to whine and complain when they don’t get exactly what they hoped for.

24:55 Fun fact, Spidey only does that jumping animation at the peak of his swing when the x button is pressed not in a normal swing with just R2, if it was he’d immediately go into a basic animation not an advanced one with the boost

I agree with you man and tbh I don’t even use the web wings a whole lot I just use them when there’s not a lot of things to swing off of which I’m pretty sure that why they’re there in the first place btw your swinging game play looks awesome didn’t even know you could go that fast

bro when your swinging gameplay was on it literally made me boot up the game just so i could swing

The worst part is that it's the sequel to a good video

@This-is-a-commentt

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it’s such whiplash

22:48 you could always look towards speedruns of the challenge races if you wanted to see loop-de-loops done in succession. Iirc there's two or three races that have you doing a few loops on the same web for the tricks to get to the next checkpoint. They're not easy to do, but they can be done. But you do nearly need the max speed upgrade to be able to do multiple loops like that because otherwise you lose too much momentum. The max upgrade propels you forward and essentially adds momentum to your swing on every loop/every other loop

I love how DarkSpace kept swing assist on the entire time and tried to complain that it was too automated. That's like having a automatic/manual hybrid transmission car, keeping it on manual, and then trying to say that you don't have control over when the car shift gears.

Yeah bro I saw this and knew you'd disect it. He's like: "THERES NO CHALLENGE." BUT THEN HE PLAYS WITH SWING ASSIST AND CLAIMS IT HOLDS YOUR HAND WHENEVER YOU TRY TO SWING BEING COMPLETELY AWARE HE CAN TURN THAT OFF IF HE WANTS A CHALLENGE AS MENTIONING SWING ASSIST OPTION SLIDER EXISTING IN SETTINGS. DON'T ACCUSE A GAME OF DOING SMTH BAD IF THEY MAKE IT OPTIONAL BRUH FR

Could the insomniac games have a few extra features to the swinging? For sure they can and i hope they continue to expand but to say that the 2004 game is better overall is nuts to me

@jerm70

4 ай бұрын

Spider-Man's webswinging in Ultimate and Spider-Man 2 (Movie) are not hacks. They are the real deal. It's actual physics. Spider-Man (Modern) relies on animations and hackery to make its Webswinging work. There are issues with the older title but the newer ones are fundamentally flawed because they rely on you not paying attention to the animation too closely or trying to break it.

I love how your gameplay is so clean that people literally think the footage is sped up. Nah it's just great gameplay and great physics too

Thank you for this! So many people have been conditioned to think taking damage/dying is the only fail state. No, it might not have an in-game meter, but you can tell, when your swinging isn't smooth, and you had to just scramble something together. Like in Devil May Cry, the goal of the game isn't to just beat it. That's what it is at a low level of skill. At a high level, you avoid sttacks, taunt, use different weapons, combos, tactics, everything. It's to style! Yeah, you can get through the game using one weapon and combo. But if you do, that's on you, not the devs.

Absolutely kills me every time I see someone complaining about the traversal and seeing their gameplay is ass 😂

Bro his garbage swinging gameplay hurts my brain

@localdumbass8110

5 ай бұрын

Deadass looks like he got Hellen Keller to film his gameplay

@Sid3Ball

5 ай бұрын

@@localdumbass8110 It’s so ass no wonder he doesn’t like the gameplay😭😭, genuine skill issue

The only thing I agree with him on is that clamouring onto walls should be skill based and not save you and keep your momentum. I would love a goofy animation to play if you swing into a wall like watching Peter slam into a building would be funny af kinda like that one scene from SM1 Tobey universe.

Just redownloaded yesterday night to swing around and do tricks