also something i wanna add is that when he first gets the symbiote hes joking around a LOT. i think its because the symbiote is slowly digging deeper in peters mind, and since hes humor is kind of the surface level of his personality thats what the symbiote amplifies first and then when it gets deeper it amplifies his trauma because thats deeper inside him

@thegreatacolyt1277

Ай бұрын

Yeah

@mrmelonman2893

Ай бұрын

It's inconsistent. When he first gets the symbiote the first thing he says, is guess your boss needs better aim, and starts aggressively insulting the hunters, but then after that he immediately goes back to normal Peter

@striker07927

Ай бұрын

⁠@@mrmelonman2893It’s not inconsistent, it only happened once and that’s just game dialogues meant to sound cool and exemplify what the Symbiote will do to Peter, Peter manages to get a grip after he beats the Hunters and gets back to Harry and MJ.

@TheFakeAftershock

Ай бұрын

@@striker07927 that's what I was gonna say because your in symbiote surge in that sequence as well which usually shows him loosing control

@KrypticSpiderMan

Ай бұрын

​@@striker07927Not to mention, Peter was pissed in the moment. Once the moment passes, he reverts to his older self.

14:43 Everybody gangsta until Peter starts talking about himself in plurals

@thegreatacolyt1277

Ай бұрын

Real

@jsmxke7058

Ай бұрын

He did it like once.

@DaichiOkami

Ай бұрын

@@jsmxke7058he does it multiple times throughout the game. It just isn't obvious

@mr.r5261

Ай бұрын

​@@jsmxke7058in his boss fight, if you try to go invisible, he says "WE CAN STILL SEE YOU!"

@DaichiOkami

Ай бұрын

@@mr.r5261 when the lizard escapes Peter says "he got away from Us" before miles even got into scene. And miles thinks he is referring to him. But it's pretty clear Peter didn't even acknowledge miles' presence there until he speaks later

Bro makes the dopest edit of the game and act like we ain’t going notice.

@roryalmond5866

Ай бұрын

Facts!

@Jacob_Cass15

19 күн бұрын

I got goosebumps from the Symbiote spiderman and miles fight edit with Peter vs Doc Ock

ima be honest my only problem with Spider-Man 2 is that it was to short, we didn't get enough. Like bro 300 mil for 15 hrs is crazy giive me more pls. btw it does have the best traversal of all time.

@Dachin55555

Ай бұрын

I feel like half the budget went to that live service Spider-Man game

@onesaucynougat7471

Ай бұрын

@@Dachin55555the one that got canned 💀

@Dachin55555

Ай бұрын

@@onesaucynougat7471 Yes

@Snake_eyes0

Ай бұрын

The game is like 30 hours long

@youngentertainment8482

Ай бұрын

Trust me it’s not too short. Especially since people are failing to remember key parts of the story. It’s actually hilarious how many people don’t understand the story and just say it’s bad because they don’t get it.

There's another criticism that you forgot to put out: the fact that the game didn't include the best Spider-Man villain of all time: the wall.

@C0LIN.

Ай бұрын

True him and Big Wheel

@TanSucksAtArt

Ай бұрын

​@@C0LIN.At least big wheel was mentioned

@ProtoZer0.7

Ай бұрын

If 3 doesn’t put him or Big Wheel in, I say we riot, lmao

@radbman5932

Ай бұрын

Very true. Insomniac never included the wall spiderman couldn’t crawl.

@TheMamaluigi300

Ай бұрын

@@C0LIN. Bruh, even fricking Spider-Man: Mysterio Menace featured Big Wheel!

I love that Peter’s arc in the first game is him learning to accept help. That he needs to accept help to share the responsibility with. That’s what miles and his relationship with MJ is. This game is the 5 stages of grief of that and Aunt May. At the beginning he is in Denial that he is having a problem. The black suit represents his anger towards the fact that he needs people to help him. He thinks the suit can replace miles and MJ so they won’t be in danger. But he grows an addiction. The fight with miles is Bargaining. Then he is in depression as we see when he gets Anti Venom. And him giving all the responsibility to miles is acceptance.

@Mario31802

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@bigbacc2188

Ай бұрын

I think you got the stages wrong Buddy.

@isabaig6665

Ай бұрын

You sure? Even so often the order of stages is different.

@jbstudios3000

16 күн бұрын

Hopefully there’s a big consequence and reminder that he can’t look the other way. This reminds me of the clone saga when Spider-Man believed he was the clone and Ben Riley took over. That ended in Ben’s death and Spider-Man learned once again that “with great power there must also come great responsibility” Which means if he can, he must. Which is why true retirement is out of the question for Spider-Man. As long as he has the power he has the responsibility to use his power for the good of others “no matter what the cost.” I hope Goblin comes in and either kills Miles or severally injures him so Spider-Man once again remembers the importance of his code and why he can’t look the other way. Not even if someone else “got this” For Spider-Man it’s not about the job getting done. It’s about the job getting done by HIM. I really hope they bring that integral part of Spider-Man’s character back in his third game. Its the cornerstone of who he is. It’s what makes him stand out from every other hero.

42:42 ngl bro adding Otto here with the voice acting on top of that actually made me tear up 💀💀

@jxced1tz

Ай бұрын

same

@whoisezekiel2099

15 күн бұрын

biggest gut punch

@Gamfluent

3 күн бұрын

Man SM2 was so beautifully written too bad the discussion are exhausted with toxic BG3 fans

My problem with the Scream fight is that she’s not really held accountable for the things she said. Now, I’m not saying Peter should’ve held it over her head or something, but the second Peter got the suit off, he apologized for everything he did, but this feels more like her aggressively pointing out Peter’s flaws and having him apologize for everything, it would’ve been nice if she at least tried to apologize for what she said and have Peter say it’s fine, because he understands what the symbiote does.

@Rainbowcat_1942

Ай бұрын

Didn't she though? It's been a hot minute since I played that boss fight but didn't MJ say that she was sorry or that she didn't mean it, to which Peter replied, "It wasn't you. And I - wasn't me, earlier."

@Rainbowcat_1942

Ай бұрын

I just re-watched the scene. She apologized for that destruction she had caused, not so much for the things she had said. I remember now.

@jinmali

Ай бұрын

Not only that when it’s Peter your fighting with the suit on Miles is fighting the things he’s saying whilst with mj Peter just agrees and apologizes for everything including things that aren’t true or heavily twisted.

@APrime25

Ай бұрын

You may have a problem w/ how MJ was handled as Scream, and your reasons are great, but I gotta tell you, as a 40+ year old married, parent: this is representative of real life. It took me quite awhile to learn that a person is not their feelings or their thoughts. The problem is that we give too much or the wrong kind of power to those feelings. Feelings should be validated, because they’re real, but they can also (often) be based on incomplete info, a person’s environment/upbringing, and/or falsehoods. How you act on your thoughts/feelings is what defines you to others, not what’s inside your head that we don’t have access to. The point is: MJ had some negative feelings about Peter, that were real for her & based on her understanding of his actions, but she didn’t share those & still acted as a loving person. No one needs to be held accountable for their feelings & no one can be held accountable for things they do or say while possessed by an alien. She doesn’t need to say “I’m sorry” & Peter knows that. Now Peter, on the other hand, is super apologetic, but if you pay attention, he’s that way BEFORE even getting the symbiote (Coney Island, can’t hold the rollercoaster, etc.). No one else needs Peter to say he’s sorry as much as he needs himself to say sorry. He’s not doing it because he’s a better person than MJ, he’s doing it because he has low self-esteem. That sort of constant apologizing can be damaging to relationships because people start to hear your sorry so much, they don’t care.

@thatoneguy5347

Ай бұрын

@@APrime25 i see, I didn’t mean to say her not apologizing made her worse, but that it was just something I noticed that bugged me. But I wasn’t thinking of all the angles and I appreciate you sharing this perspective, thank you

44:48 Agreed. The Fridge is Peter’s Arch Nemesis. It’s been the main villain of this Spider-Man Insomniac series. Hopefully in the 3rd game, Peter can finally beat it.

@lcc2348

Ай бұрын

Well yeah, the fridge is the cousin of The Wall

@jarmoliebrand2005

Ай бұрын

And if the fridge got wheels, it would be the Big Wheel-Wall hybrid.

@Dachin55555

Ай бұрын

Guys i think Green Goblin will steal Peter’s fridge and he’s gonna get angry and kill him

@jarmoliebrand2005

Ай бұрын

@@Dachin55555 The fridge contains and preserves pumpkin bombs.

@ImTooB0red

Ай бұрын

The fridge solos all of the insomniverse (insomniac universe)

41:46 This sequence is genuinely amazing, it shows how Peter changed over the course of both games and how he parallels from the previous game. Something I didn't notice, Good Stuff. 👍

I love how when the little alley oop thing is over, the subtitles for Ganke say [WAR CRY!]

Miles rocking the Killmonger cut is character assassination. No sane person rocks that shit unironically 😭

@drakevoidwalker

Ай бұрын

Fr. The game might have to be non-canon just because of that cut

@jgrimofficial

Ай бұрын

it’s just hair bro, not that deep

@aryan7767

Ай бұрын

yall are weird. i liked the haircut. it looked good on miles imo lmao

@TheoneShadow2728

Ай бұрын

My friend rocks that shit and it looks good on him. Nothing wrong with a haircut

@MathisR412

Ай бұрын

@@TheoneShadow2728Your boy has zero drip

I really enjoyed the video. I have the same score of the story as you do (8 out of 10). There's a lot to love about it. One thing I really loved about it was how it handled the Black Suit arc. While I can see the point of the suit could have benefited from more screentime, what we get of it is pretty great. I find it believable that Peter would fall into the Black Suit and turn into a monster from his own issues. Peter's actions come from a place of good intention. Him wanting to hang out with Harry and side-lining Miles. This wasn't out of malice. He wanted Miles to focus on his life and get his essay done. Peter hangs out with Harry because he wanted to catch up on lost time. When he gets the Suit, that's where those good intentions start to turn malicious. Peter leaves Miles out because he thinks Miles is off his game and that Peter thinks he can do it better on his own thanks to the suit. Peter hanging out with Harry turns more malice because the stress is getting to Peter and that he believes the suit should stay with him because it makes him a better Spider-Man. It shows how that Peter was still calling the shots despite being in the Suit. You ultimately feel for Peter. He wanted to do good, but the failure to balance his life and him giving into the suit is what turns him into a monster. It's my favorite way to handle his fall into the suit. It's out of established character traits and things established in the story of these games. Spectacular Spider-Man handled the Black Suit arc well, but since it was early in Peter's hero career (He only been Spider-Man for about 5 months) and he's only now getting his villain line up, we couldn't really do much with the mental struggle of Peter because his career of being a hero has just begun. The mental battle with the Black Suit was great of course, but the symbiote didn't have a ton to work with. Spider-Man 3's Black Suit arc set up was very shaky because it's built on a retcon (Sandman killing Uncle Ben) and Peter's questionable characterization in the beginning of the movie. I don't buy Peter's actions in the beginning of the movie because it's too much of a leap from the end of Spider-Man 2. Even if he's going through an ego trip, I don't buy him kissing Gwen the way he did. I have a hard time buying Peter would go through an ego trip at all. You can't show and tell me that Peter would protect MJ no matter what, just for him to act like a jerk to her in the very next film with no real built up. Despite the shaky set up, I feel the movie does well of handling Peter's fall and becoming a monster. It's just how we got there is what bothers me. The 90s show's Black Suit arc is iconic, and I have a ton of respect for it, but it doesn't really explore on what makes Peter tick all that much. The Suit is more responsible for Peter going bad then Peter was. Plus, Peter taking off the suit was just way too easy. The bell rings a few times and boom, the suit is off him. The 2017's Black Suit arc was just... pathetic. Good video. It was worth the wait.

@Snake_eyes0

Ай бұрын

Perfectly said

@smileysuburban8146

Ай бұрын

This is perfect, well said

@bagussajiwo1036

Ай бұрын

Hope no one crusificate you for bad mouthing spectacular and 90's symbiote arc. I think symbiote storyline should be introduced after Peter either at his highest points in life or the lowest point'. Spiderman 3 start at Peter being on highest points in his life so his downfall not only sudden but also feels horrofying, while insom Spiderman start at his lowest point' after Otto and May stuff that he also jobless his fall is less horrofying but straight up saddening. Having Peter went symbiote in his early career to me doesn't work because as you said Pete hasn't gone through much. That's why TASM 3 if they Made it should include symbiote storyline because it's the right time.

@tippy1731

Ай бұрын

@@bagussajiwo1036 I don't think the Spectacular or 90s version are bad. As I said, Spectacular did the arc very well, but it had the limitation of being early in Peter's career. You can't have the "I'm the solution" line without it sounding off. I have a ton of respect for the 90s version. It made the Black Suit story actually interesting unlike the comics. The 90s version is pretty enjoyable, but it's not all that deep. I can see your point with the storyline being at its most interesting when Peter is at a high point or low point. If TASM 3 played its cards right, it could've had a pretty good storyline. Peter is at his emotional low with losing Gwen, his Uncle's killer is still out there, and not pulling his punches as much. It basically would have been like SM3's Black Suit story, but it's set up is actually good because it's built on things established in the narrative and not pulled out of its butt like SM3.

@bagussajiwo1036

Ай бұрын

@@tippy1731 oh no didn't insinuate that spectacular and 90's symbiote storyline is bad, it's just that i worry people take your statement in the wrong way while you never intended it to be (let's be honest here, Spiderman fans are one of the worst out there, this is a possibility). What i like about spectacular symbiote Peter is that it felt in character, even without the symbiote i believe Peter if decided to be isolasist would act like that. There's no exgratted anger or Emotion, there's no savage line or out of pocket statement from him but just a cold, dismissive, uncaring and eerily cold frustrated calm here, which mind you probably something that Peter would do even without the symbiote in some circumtance. It make the influence more subtle and felt slow burn (which probably the intention here) that probably partly due the there's no obvious trigger that pushed Peter to the edge (yeah May sick but it's not like she's dead or something, his name kind of get dragged to the mud but that's normal for him, and he's jobless but he's still high school student so there's no rush there). Don't know if you get my point'. That and spectacular Spiderman is the only Spiderman media aside from comic that has the most screen time when Peter Dons the symbiote suit (the other hand only brief screen time compared to spectacular) so it's naturally more stood out.

The worst, most obviously annoying addition to the story is the Danicast. She literally just spells out everything that is going on for some reason. I genuinely think the story is pretty great as its own thing, but she went from kind of a fun neat addition that showed more of Mile's community to just telling us the plot that just happened.

42:40 ok, I love this cut. 1. I felt like the only person who realized Peter was mirroring Doc Ock here, their need to be better after so many failures externally became something which nearly ruined Peter 2. Because the Symbiote mirroring the Neural Interface was a great move by the writers, and as for the rest of the entire video, it was really well done and backed up all claim’s with evidence from the games and didn’t overly bash on the game for its writing choices, just brought them up to make clear the intent behind the video.

I feel like they miss out on making venom scary by not having him actually hurt anyone close to Peter. It would add that extra oomph if we actually saw Venom use his teeth on someone Peter loves or knows. If Venom in the one scene with MJ broke her bone or something…it would be such a WTF moment. They give us this menacing huge animalistic beast and the only time we see him draw blood is against Kraven. A big part of what caught me by surprise with the first game was them killing May. I didn’t think they’d do it. But here everyone felt “safe” like we all knew nothing bad would happen to anyone Peter cares about.

@shaunavant532

Ай бұрын

Instead of breaking her bones, he LITERALLY broke her mind and body to his will

@MkayM254

Ай бұрын

@@shaunavant532 sorry buddy… Not good enough. It didn’t hit the same way. All he did was make her say outloud all she wanted to tell Peter but couldn’t. Venom offered them a relationship therapy session💀

@shaunavant532

Ай бұрын

@@MkayM254 a 1 star session, atleats she turned into scream

@arpadszabo661

Ай бұрын

@@shaunavant532 yeah, he broke her mind for like 5 minutes and then its fine. It wasn’t even close to enough

@shaunavant532

Ай бұрын

@arpadszabo661 that's just because of pacing otherwise she prob would've stayed scream got another mission

Synthetic Boy’s ranting at the beginning of the video 😂😂😂

@thegreatacolyt1277

Ай бұрын

It's literally racist

@TomCat0217

Ай бұрын

@@thegreatacolyt1277 No doubt about it.

@GaelMadOveratedLudwigsBetter

Ай бұрын

I seriously don't know how that guy genuinely has fans

@thegreatacolyt1277

Ай бұрын

@@TomCat0217 yeah

@thegreatacolyt1277

Ай бұрын

@@GaelMadOveratedLudwigsBetter 600 thousand too

One detail I really love that's really just more of an observation is how this game starts so similar to the first one, with Spider-Man swinging to action to the detriment of his other life, but it still feels so different, and not just because of the bigger scope. The first game started with Peter on his own, the lone wolf Spider-Man is infamous for being, his only ally being Yuri who, despite clearly being more than just an ally, was still kept at a very strict arm's length by both sides. Spider-Man was very much a solo act and Peter wanted it that way. And Peter's arc in that game was in great part learning how to grow out of the notion that everything was his responsibility and that he has people in his life who will help him if he'll just let them. MJ's words in first game, "You're not alone anymore Pete." resonate all over this game's opening. Peter is still swinging to action, but now Miles is right beside him, MJ is on call ready to help and completely in the loop of the situation, Ganke is providing support from the background and is the fucking backbone of the whole operation, Rio is aware and encouraging Miles to do his best while still being worried about him, there's a whole network of people behind us now, Spider-Man isn't a solo act anymore, and it feels earned because we went through two games playing as each to get here, the whole thing feels right, I LOVE that I have so much help instead of being annoyed by it, and that's only possible because the construction to that help was so well done.

So I just finished watching this video and I just thought about the moment you bring up the opinion most people have on this game’s version of Venom and the symbiote being inherently evil reminded me of a line from Prey (2017). It is a line from Alex Yu to your character around a 1/4th to halfway through the game’s story where he says: *“People are quick to project human features onto things they don't understand. The Typhon kill us without hesitation. But it's not because they're evil. It's because they can't do otherwise. You know what we discovered? They lack mirror neurons. For all of their wonderful abilities, there is one thing that we can do that they can’t: empathize with the suffering of another living creature.”* I think in a way this quote can apply to Insomniac’s take on Venom. Because we have no actual way to say if this take on Venom was evil to begin with or not. Just thought it would be interesting to think about

Dude for this game I was most hyped for venom obviously, but every single scene with Kraven was terrific. Every time I hear his theme I get the goosebumps. Man is a monster

Despite the issues that the game has in terms of story writing and character arcs, Spider-Man 2 is still an enjoyable game and I'm grateful for all the hard work Insomniac has put into it. :)

@IsiahM

Ай бұрын

Not worth £60 though

@josanchez1536

Ай бұрын

​@@IsiahM you do realize that going off of inflation and how much games were around 2006 games should be roughly 90 usd now right? I get wages aren't matching inflation but still

@IsiahM

Ай бұрын

@@josanchez1536 I didn't say anything about inflation or previous games? This game is worth £40 not 60

@josanchez1536

Ай бұрын

@@IsiahM I mean if that's your opinion that's your opinion. But Considering we happily payed 60 usd back in 2006 for games of a similar caliber. Id happily pay 70 dollars for this game. Still cheaper in purchasing power wise.

@IsiahM

Ай бұрын

@@josanchez1536 £70 for 40 hours of gameplay is just not OK to me, maybe £70 is worth less to you than it is to me 🤷🏾‍♂️.

I think with the fridge thing is that Peter was not expecting the fridge to fall on him like think about it if something you lift falls on you you would probably fall down because you won't expecting it

@inkedthedemon

12 күн бұрын

Yeah but if I had the strength of Spider-Man I would’ve gotten up pretty quickly after it fell on me

47:57 If someone got a photo of this, J.J would be printing papers nonstop saying "Spider-Man beats helpless woman asking for help" or something...

Absolutely fantastic. This video didn't even feel like it was 2 hours. I'm really glad that you made this. I was invested in what you had to say the WHOLE time.

Damn, what a great analysis! It's well edited and written. It made me love this game and its story even more! Keep up the good work

Yo, Colin thanks for the shoutout! Glad my video could help!

Sadly I feel like everyone doesn’t understand the story the way it is or like this video is because they were rushing through the game & tryna beat it first day instead of digesting everything & actually take their time to actually play it.

@architdewan6717

Ай бұрын

I just felt it was a little less memorable and I 100% didn’t rush it. I beat it in 37 hours cuz I loved the traversal so much

@nosauce7410

Ай бұрын

​@architdewan6717 yeah no my thoughts exactly, it's good, but spider-man ps4 has more impact

@architdewan6717

Ай бұрын

@@nosauce7410 honestly I think the main reason is the first game was mostly about Peter and his way as Spider-Man. This game is about Peter, Miles, Harry in the same time frame of the first game. Too much stuff and less time to give it justice too

@Lyoko42o

Ай бұрын

​@@architdewan6717nah. AUNT MAY made Spider-Man 1. That's why it was successful 😅😂

@darthnutsack6717

Ай бұрын

I deleted it when I saw Peter get killed within 3 seconds of meeting Kraven.

Colin putting out the video we’ve always been waiting for

@thegreatacolyt1277

Ай бұрын

Yeah

@hammer-0

Ай бұрын

​@@thegreatacolyt1277 well hello

@Cosmicmorales

Ай бұрын

didn’t he already upload this at one point? or am I tripping

@CamoSM

Ай бұрын

@@Cosmicmorales he uploaded an overw]view of the video but that. Was it

There is actually an interaction you might’ve missed with miles and Peter in the black suit, it’s short but it shows more of Miles’ concern. He called Miles before the “Wake up” mission. Telling him he’s going to bed tonight and asking if Miles is alright. Miles responds just by saying “yeah, you?” Peter responds with “Yeah, just tired.” Miles shows his concern by saying that Peter never acts like that. There’s also a part during the black suit story where Miles visits Aunt May’s grave, mainly telling Aunt May that Peter isn’t acting like his usual self.

It’s finally here Grab some popcorn, boys

@Idk_bruh__was_taken

Ай бұрын

Yes i will now

@shardsoftime0952

Ай бұрын

🍿🍿🍿

@Ghosted143

Ай бұрын

Already am

@Ghosted143

Ай бұрын

I brought the soda to btw

I recently discovered that venom has a freakin air finisher. There is so much random details like this or the insomniac bus

@Dachin55555

Ай бұрын

Also Tony Todd’s voice on the controller speaker i didn’t know about that

@LucasHopkins2006

Ай бұрын

@@Dachin55555Hold up, what?!

@Dachin55555

Ай бұрын

@@LucasHopkins2006 Yeah at the end of the Tombstone mission you’ll hear Tony Todd say Peter’s name on the controller speaker when the symbiote grabs Peter’s hand it’s a cool little detail

@LucasHopkins2006

Ай бұрын

@@Dachin55555 Yoooo, I never knew that, that’s sick! Edit: I went back to that mission and had my controller’s volume on max just to be sure and yep, Venom definitely said Peter when that happened

@darthnutsack6717

Ай бұрын

​@LucasHopkins2006 You can also hear him growling whenever you go surge mode out of your controller.

42:00 I swear dude that bit was incredibly bone chilling and it really made my day I'm glad you're one of the people that understand this game and the character spider

I love how you mention the Symbiote's POV too as Evan Filarca made an hour long video talking about Venom and the Symbiote itself and it pretty much touches on these topics as well

yo, your videos are so expertly edited and well structured. You're massively underrated for your video quality and one of the only youtubers that i can watch for hours on end. You make a video game that i know the story to and know the ending,so much more detailed and makes my apprecaite literally ANY game more love long-form videos like these and make sure too keep these types of videos up👍 sorry for the glazing btw👍

Spiderman 1 has a theme of inspiration. Spiderman and Martin Li were inspired by aunt May, Miles is inspired by his dad and Doc Oc was jealous of Osborn, helping people not because of inspiration or a genuine desire to help, but overtaken by the need to prove himself against Norman, leading to his downfall. “If you help someone, you help everyone” Spiderman 2 has a theme of legacy. May’s legacy has left an impact on Peter and Harry to do right by her, Peter sees his new job as an alternative to help the world as the Spiderman legacy becomes unfulfilling to him, which the suit temporarily solves, leading to the lab getting destroyed, Kraven wants an honourable legacy before his death, despite the innocent people who get hurt. Harry says to Peter “don’t you get tired of healing the world everyday, you can do it once” leading to his downfall, becoming obsessed with healing the world, forgetting why he wanted to help people in the first place.

the way the venom says "thanks for coming pete" is so wholesome in comparison to something like spectacular venom saying the same thing, i know a lot of people don’t like this venom but i think it’s cool how the symbiote and harry still care about peter and wants him to rule WITH them instead outright hating him

@igg7865

Ай бұрын

i feel like this story has a underlying toxic friendship narrative, like those friends you’re so close with the second you aren’t there for them 24/7 they start genuinely tweaking. or when your actual best friend comes to visit and it pushes your current best friend to the side, everyone fr jus wanted some peter, the symbiote especially

@mrmelonman2893

Ай бұрын

​@@igg7865problem is, we see this concept done better in spectacular spiderman, so in comparison venom in spiderman 2 is shit

@zacharybosley1935

Ай бұрын

​@mrmelonman2893 not really. Spectacular Spider-Man leaned too hard into how much Venom Hates Spider-Man, that we've basically seen that story before. We don't have enough stories where Venom sincerely cares for Spider-Man, and Harry sincerely cares for Peter.

@mrmelonman2893

Ай бұрын

@zacharybosley1935 BECAUSE VENOM AS A CHARACTER DOESN'T CARE FOR SPIDERMAN. U know how stupid u sound right now? 🤦. Venom despises spiderman that's his core character trait, take that away from him u don't have venom. There's a reason nobody makes Harry venom because that changes the core characteristics of what makes venom, so good. That's like saying theirs not enough stories of Peter killing uncle Ben. It's stupid

@thewanderingronin1924

Ай бұрын

@@zacharybosley1935 Except Venom hating Peter is exactly his story Venom resent Peter for taking him off you could bring well they work together before in the comics that’s because they had to because Carnage is hell on earth

I hope youtuber GodzillaMendoza sees this. This was nothing short of amazing.

@smileysuburban8146

Ай бұрын

hes too busy being on twitter

The editing is on point. The parralel from Peter to Otto sent a chill down my spine.

Evan Filarca's Incle Terry video is pretty eye opening and funnily enough you mentioned a few points he did like with the Symbiote learning from both Harry and Peter. I hope they explain more in the future officially regarding the Symbiote

You sir, have officially made my favorite video about Spider-Man 2! I love how in depth you went with Peter and Miles' arcs, as well as MJ's arcs. I especially love the way you described Venom (Uncle Terry) and is behavior. Mainly that the symbiote is acting based off of things it was "taught". The symbiote itself isn't necessarily bad in the traditional sense. It thinks it's doing the right thing, but it's going about it the wrong way! It's clear that this video had a lot of effort put into it and it's an amazing watch not just for people who already love the game (the vast majority of people), but I think this video may also sway people who may not like the game (the minority)! Thanks for making this video my man, cheers!

Bro that starting clip of the guy talking about Ganke and the Miles game is CRAZY, also great analysis of the story

Awesome vid! Loved the analysis it put everything into perspective, great vid!

its just sad to see people cant actually contain enough media literacy and just understand the story. peter is suffering not because he's physically weak, but because he's mentally and emotionally broken after aunt may's death, even the crossover with 616 peter deliberately stated where insom peter is going through.

@C0LIN.

Ай бұрын

Fyi that crossover isn’t canon

@orlandojosemoraamaya363

Ай бұрын

​@@C0LIN. Darn it, it was so good Thou

@mrmelonman2893

Ай бұрын

The fact that u mentioned that crossover shows ur opinion is invalid. That crossover isn't even cannon. The problem with the suffering aspect is we never see it fully shown and developed, until a good hour or two after the black suit arc has ended. Anything before miles goes into his mind is just tiny details that don't tell us anything besides Peter misses may a bit Which is obvious. They handled this with miles way better as we see throughout the game his grief, with him visiting his father's grave, talks about his father to Harry to relate to him, and more, as well as his overall hatred for Lee, which all culminate in the Lee dream sequence in the mister negative boss fight, and then getting a resolution when miles goes in Peter's head. Peter never gets that attention with his storyline of grieving mays death, which makes no sense as he has the majority of the run time 💀

@C0LIN.

Ай бұрын

@@mrmelonman2893 U literally missed the entire point, the point is that Peter is repressing these emotions. And those little details show us that, and the black suit arc shows those repressed emotions coming out. People handle grief differently………

@mrmelonman2893

Ай бұрын

​@C0LIN. Him repressing his emotions isn't the problem, it's the execution. He doesn't talk about these things or at least give more details throughout the story. They could have made it so he represses his emotions around others, but by himself his demeanor and thinking process changes. Also in retrospect, he doesn't have a good enough reason to think he's not a good spiderman, even though miles seems to be better( which makes no sense to be honest) because up until he gets the symbiote, he never fails at saving anyone. Would of been better and darker if he actually failed to save the people at coney Island, which would've actually added to his interior motive.

1:23:20 The way I viewed this was less that the symbiote wanted to ditch Harry for Peter. Harry learned Peter is Spider-Man and realizes that his best friend is a super hero, he already wanted to heal the world with Peter, and now he saw another way they could help, as superheroes. Harry not only wants to scoop Peter onto their old project, he also wants to be like Spider-Man, and the symbiote recognizes this. Right after this, Harry is talking about being a hero, yet him and the symbiote would have no clue how to do that, Peter does. We've seen in other media that the symbiote will full on get off of their host to swap, and though that's nothing concrete, I figure it's worth bringing up. After this, it copies Spider-Man in multiple ways. Harry's first suit is a lot like a spider suit. The conversation Harry and Peter have before the foundry, Harry wants to be a "Spider Pal." During the mission, Harry is jumping around and moving more brute like but after the suit grabs Peter, he not only aquires a symbol but he's shown using tendrils to swing as webs, just like Spider-Man. Finally, when Harry sees Peter dying, the only thing he can think of is not losing Peter, and so to fulfill the desire to save Peter, the suit does the only thing it knows it can do. The only heavy issue I have with my own theory is mostly the suit grabbing Peter. My two theories were either it hsd Harry's desire to have Peter in his life or it was to copy his abilities for Harry to use, if you notice Harry's suit is armord because it needs to be as Harry is more fragile than Peter. But who knows, I had never considered that Harry probably isn't an ideal host and that Peter is a more desirable one, but I wonder if the suit would fully acknowledge this. The symbiote usually isn't unloyal, but it also typically bonds with Peter first, always wanting him back after being torn from him. In the game, it talks about how Peter was torn away from it, so if it wanted Peter from the start or got attached, it later ultimately culminates to it being angry they were separated. The only thing I'd wonder is if it would now leave Harry for Peter, I would assume yes but I'm not sure if we'll ever know

Let’s go i’ve been waiting for this

This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!

truly a great video watching all if this has been worth the wait. great stuff man.

Great work! This has to be the best Spider-man 2 analysis video I’ve seen yet! Great job explaining Peter, Miles, MJ, Harry, the Symbiote, Kraven, and Uncle Terry!

@yourefatmom6159

Ай бұрын

This npc ass comment💀

24:10 That was another really good video! I think your analyses are good, those I’ve seen thus far, of Peter’s symbiote arc and Miles’ arc. Still watching more of it after this comment.

bro that montage you did at the beginning of the video of the story beats was INCREDIBLE

Finally a review of this game that isn’t “this game’s story is so unbelievably bad”. I have some issues with this game’s story but it’s still phenomenal and it doesn’t deserve the hate it gets and I can’t wait for spider man 3.

@mrmelonman2893

Ай бұрын

Nah the story is just bad. It tries to brute force its way through bad writing with spectacle and lacks substance

@DallasReimer

Ай бұрын

@@mrmelonman2893 Watch this video. It perfectly explains why the story is good.

@ASx2608

Ай бұрын

@@mrmelonman2893Nice rage baiting man!

@TheTom20

Ай бұрын

Basically it's just not a masterpiece and it's ok

@julian2238

Ай бұрын

No no no lmao. It deserves about 80% of the negativity it gets. The only over reaction is the woke stuff. As far as the actual narrative and quality of writing. It’s ranges from bad to mid. Everything is rushed, weak pacing, could go on. But definitely not mid. I think outside of the narrative everything is a 9 or 10/10. It’s definitely no where close to being a mid game like other people like to say it is:

I think you should post all the edits you put in this vid individually. They’re actually so good

This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for

Great analysis dude. This was a great watch.

as someone whos tried defending this game so fucking much its refreshing to see this thank the fucking lord

I always like the thought of the symbiote being a baby and when it binds woth someone it take q part of who they are and becomes more like them. Like kid they absorb their surroundings and base their personality off it. And I think Insomniac's venom is a great showing of this idea, he's like a teenager with a great idea but because of his inexperience in the world he only sees one way of "healing the world".

I enjoyed the video as usual. You did a way better job talking about Peter, Miles and Mj's characters than in my review video. I really hate when people say that Mj is so bad and that she has no flaws which is not true. Overall I did enjoy the story and Peter and Miles characters in the game

I love your montages with the intro and the Peter fight. Hope to see more of that in the future. But the review itself, I like your interpretation of the story, it sounds better than "Symbiote is evil" that I've heard before. I kind of thought that the Symbiote was a learning alien when I first played it. (Also I wish I could've seen an edit when Miles was getting punched into the ground by Peter's rogue gallery and the 'Be Greater' trailer when Peter is falling)

36:59 I’m just glad someone like LowTierGod doesn’t have Mr. Negative’s power. Miles would have never survived 😢😅

Having the outline of the video be red and blue is genius because it tricked me into thinking i was already halfway through the video. I was going to click anyway but that’s damn smart

Got a good laugh and long conversation out of this tangled web of a confusing video. Thanks for the several hours of fun I had with the group watch.

Great start to the vid thus far - gonna have the last of my pizza while I see how this goes - looks structured well, I like the other vids you did so interested in in this one. 🍕💯

alot of people hate the fact that harry is venom in this game, and I thought I was going to hate it too before I had played the game but I'm honestly very happy with the adaptation we got. Probably my favorite adaptation of Venom in a long time.

@ashuebot-tabi4449

Ай бұрын

I never minded, honestly. It fits this story, which is the only thing that matters.

@arpadszabo661

Ай бұрын

Harry was the better Venom for the story they wanted to tell. I still prefer Eddie overall though. Well… the screentime difference is kinda in his favor as Venom.

@shinji2898

Ай бұрын

I feel, like many others have stated, that the game not having a longer runtime doesn’t really allow for us to see Harry as venom. Which sucks in comparison to the previous big bad, who’ve we gotten to see more of. If there was more scenes exploring this version of the character, then I imagine less people would be put off by the whole thing.

@ashuebot-tabi4449

Ай бұрын

@@shinji2898 I'd prefer the story just focus on Kraven entirely, but more time with Harry was needed.

@yourefatmom6159

Ай бұрын

Eddie doesn’t always have to be venom

Colin with another banger.

Don't disrespect Rufus. He's better than those rats 0:50

@izhirallen8746

4 күн бұрын

Don't be diss on Rufus!

This is like the best video about this game ive seen. Colin you never fail to be the only person to see reason in video's. I feel like this story could have gone as one of the characters greatests if it had just a bit more time to flesh out the themes it was trying to tell. its great as is and the messaging about balance and leaving behind what doesnt help you and even the themes of abusing an addiction to cope with your own self esteem and self doubts are genuinely amazing. if the story was even just a few hours longer to show more of peter i n the black suit, and miles struggle of being afraid of loosing people aswell as add a bit to the admittedly super fast third act to flesh out venom aa bit more it would have been perfect

Hang on, I just noticed that Pete is always wearing his web shooters. Even when he visits Emily May and Harry doesn't even know he's Spider Man. How this guy managed to keep his identity a secret is a mystery.

@cjuw

Ай бұрын

People can't see his web shooters under his costune

@shaunavant532

Ай бұрын

He wears them like wrist bands and colors them to fit it.

Actually i have a theory about how electro could come back. It's that now that he's dead somehow that basically turned him into pure energy (which was his goal in ps4) maybe they even could make him crazy because his mind is being fluxuated and moved around and changed at a constant rate. And we could get the blue lightning ultimate Spiderman version. But that's just a theory

Man, watching this really made me enjoy the story more. Just having you explain this story to us just makes this video very enjoyable. This is the best video you've ever made!

Great analysis dude. Enjoyed this a lot

This video deserves 10 million views bro it’s fantastic great job 😊

I’m really glad to see this story receive more nuanced dissection. I’ve definitely been guilty of being too harsh on the game and it is still incredibly solid.

Holy crap! Excellent video man! You taught me a bit more about the game and the philosophy behind certain moments actually. Like I appreciate the Anti-Venom suit a lot more now... just an example of one of the things I took from this video lol! I really do hope you make more videos like this! Earned a sub from me dude!

YES another W vid from Colin, Im gonna enjoy watching this better get the popcorn.

Really well made video, dude. I'm glad to see someone actually have valid criticisms over something they love and not just... racism lmao

"I've been looking foward to this"

@TheShillSlayer

26 күн бұрын

Fake fan.

Can we all agree that the intro with all the clips from the game was fire af🔥🔥🔥

Great video man

14:43 would have been so much funnier if it had a vine boom like imagine this Peter: Destroy Us? *Vine Boom*

I love Kraven in this but Venom has a problem I see a lot in modern black suit stories. It treats the symbiote like it controls the host, it and the host work together, it’s like alcohol, it lowers your inhibition and lets the symbiote become more aggressive.

@shinji2898

Ай бұрын

Mmhm, it’s why the first time you play as Venom that everything hits so hard, because you really are playing as both Harry and the suit.

The Fridge is easily explained if you just take into consideration what Peter has been doing. The guy has to be exhausted and add the fact that being fresh off the Symbiote, I wouldn't be surprised Pete is going through a form of withdraw

Why did you delete the preview of this video? I loved watching it over and over 😭😭

babe wake up new Colin vid just dropped

Great Video Colin. I also went through Evan Filarca's video about the Symbiote and I think you both have done a pretty great job about explaining the Symbiote and the story of the story of the game. I do hope there is a Venom game in the future which builds further upon the symbiote arc and the meteorite and give us that storyline where Venom wants to just hurt Spiderman for what he did to him before he becomes the Lethal Protector(I do like this version if Venom bit still would wanna see Insomniac's take on the Venom hating Spiderman storyline). If I have some criticism's which I would like to add are: 1. We never get a Norman's reaction on seeing Spiderman wearing the suit keeping his son alive which could have made him hate Spiderman more and could have been a very strong reason for him to become the Green Goblin as he already blames Peter and Miles for putting Harry in a coma and that on top of it would just have been great in my opinion 2. It would've been great to see Kraven kill the other villains in the form of a cutscene just like Scorpian and not some voice notes he left behind. 3. Some encounters of Peter with Otto and other villains with the black suit idk how it would've tied into the Story but it would've been great to see Peter butcher them for the hard time they have given him(That would've been soo good).

One thing I have mentioned before but here is a great opportunity. What they did with Venom in concept could have been perfect. Venom is a character who hates peter cause the symbiotic was abandoned by peter and hates Peter because Eddie hated peter. In this one harry likes peter even when betrayed and miles helped take the symbiotic off. So its miles who Venom hates because Miles replaced harry in the relationship: “That kid is the other one? A lot happened when you were gone.. believe me I Know ” and Miles is one of the reasons peter took the suit off.

Not syn dropping a hard ass Sm2 trailer, I was waiting for your take on Peter in sm2 for s while, glad it finally happened

To me, the story is less consistent and cohesive, but it does have so many great moments. And really good character work. I think this narrative really needed that bit more hours om game time. Mostly when it comes to more grounded scenes outside the spandex. Some more foreshadowing of MJ not being entirely satisfied with her relationship with Peter. Miles and Harry interacting more. Miles’ friends trying to interact with him whilst he’s searching for Li. (BTW, after Peter and Miles save Rio and Ganke in the subway, Ganke said he got he cheated at mini golf when they were eight. But wasn’t Ganke his new/other best friend after Miles went to Brooklyn Visions and didn’t see Phin anymore?) A little more time to smooth out Peter’s transition in the symbiote. A scene with Peter and Martin Li. About Li’s redemption and May’s passing. More time to amp up the final act with Venom. I really like most characters a lot. Kraven is perfect here for me. Miles’ storyline with Martin Li is well done. Harry’s descent is well done. And I like Venom, for the most part. Still kind of split on this iteration. Peter was good, though at times a bit inconsistent. This game is more of a spectacle in terms of set pieces. But I think the first game is just built up a little more meticulously. Otto hits harder than Harry for me. Insomniac did set the bar high there. A lot of people don’t seem to like the ending, with Peter’s (likely temporary) retirement. I like it a lot. Both his games allude to the fact that he just needs Peter Parker time. He’s already tired at the start of the first game. And after so many setbacks, May and Harry topple him over the edge. Spider-Man can’t persist if Peter is completely drained mentally, so Peter needed to give himself, his job, his love life the time they need to finally start washing away some of that Parker luck. As for the flame being the most notable side story, Carnage thus far is great, in my opinion. A threat before he’ll don the costume and the moniker. I do think Peter’s relationship with Wraith could’ve been done better. I think their ideologies should have clashed more, even though they had a boss fight. You get the prompt to play the boss fight mission when you have the symbiote. I think Peter could’ve been a little less restrictive. Something I don’t see people talking about is how Miles stated to Ganke “I’ll do better, make the time to hang out.” But he becomes the lone Spidey after the main story. Which doesn’t seem congruent. Of course, he’d need to uphold the responsibility, especially with Peter taking his well earned break, but… Well, Miles did seem to give the people close to him some deserved attention. He finished his essay. Asked Hailey out and got to meet Albert and Cindy… but still, it seems contradictory in the long run.

@aliciacap7206

Ай бұрын

Just to speak on your question about Ganke. I'm not sure how they're doing it in Insomniac's universe but in the comics Miles and Ganke have known each other since they were very young, like four or five years old, so it seems like they might be going that route. In Spider-Verse Miles and Ganke meet at Visions. Can't remember if they've explicitly stated when they met aside from that comment in the subway

@jarmoliebrand2005

Ай бұрын

@@aliciacap7206 I believe Miles introduced Ganke to Phin as his other best friend. But it’s clear that he and Phin were the childhood best friends and Phin doesn’t know Ganke yet.

@shaunavant532

7 күн бұрын

Hes known ganke for awhile tho cause he said how when ganke was like in elementary that he and miles traded lunches ​@jarmoliebrand2005

Love the video as always glad to see someone actually approach the game in good faith when Twitter will tell you this is the worst Spider-Man media ever to exist in anything

What I love about this version of the symbiote is that you can interpret it however you want. You can interpret it as fully sapient with its own goals from the beginning, or you can interpret it as not sentient at all. Because if it's not sentient, barely anything changes. Harry and Peter's actions during the first two thirds of the game can easily be explained as things they would just normally do given the circumstances. With Peter's chance at a stable career as a scientist being ripped away by Kraven almost as soon as he got it, along with Harry slowly dying and Kraven trying to kill the one person who can help, it's totally understandable that Peter's stress that's been building for years would reach a breaking point, manifest as anger like he said, and turn him into a much darker, more violent person. You can even explain Harry's actions as Venom pretty neatly with this interpretation. He's had both his second chance at life and the foundation he's dreamed about for 10 years taken away as soon as he got them, and he feels betrayed by his best friend in the worst possible way. He would naturally lash out of his own accord, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would, in this state of mind, decide that if he can't heal the world with his foundation, he'll do it with the gift that gave him a second chance at life. Pete even says that Harry genuinely thinks he's healing the world. The brief moments of control he has after the final battle can be interpreted as moments of clarity from someone consumed by rage. That also applies to MJ's moments during the Scream fight. You can also interpret it as having the sentience of a toddler and just interpreting its host's wishes in a very un-nuanced way, like a literal genie or a paperclip machine. Why does it grab Peter's hand and give Harry a spider logo? Because Harry is subconsciously jealous of Peter (which becomes clear during the final Venom fight) and wants to be more like him. That also explains why Harry immediately decides to become a superhero when he discovers his powers. (You could also interpret it as the symbiote pushing him to become a hero because it senses his desire to be like Peter.) Why does it latch onto Peter? Because Harry, in that moment, would have done anything to save him, and the symbiote sensed that desire and acted upon it in the only way it knew how. Yes, Connors says it chose Peter as a host, but he admits he doesn't know much about it and it chooses Harry over Peter after it breaks free from its containment. Why can't Peter give it back to Harry? Because after Peter experienced using it at the zoo, and seeing the knife fall out of him, Peter has a tiny bit of reluctance to let it go, even though he does want to give it back to Harry, but the symbiote took that small sliver of hesitation to mean that Peter wanted to keep it. Why does it lash out at that one Hunter and throw him through the window? It sensed Peter's anger at him sneaking up on him and his desire to defeat him and acted on it. It gets more and more violent because it reads Peter's subconscious thoughts that maybe killing is the solution to his problems and takes that to mean that it's what Peter really wants. It lashes out at MJ because it believes that she's trying to harm it and Peter, but notably just before that it unmasks Peter when MJ says she wants to talk to him. It clearly had some level of understanding of what she wanted, but it didn't understand that Peter was asleep. This tells me that it has a very child-like understanding of things, so naturally the complex and often contradictory thought processes of its host would confuse it and lead it to incorrect conclusions. Another, but still valid, interpretation is that it feeds on and grows stronger from negative human emotions. This is different from it being evil. You could interpret its early actions as trying to latch onto Peter because Harry doesn't have enough negative feelings for its taste, and it knows Peter does. But, like with the second interpretation, it can't leave its host unless the host says it's ok, which is why it can only leave Harry for Peter when Harry is desperate and would do absolutely anything to save Peter, and it's why Peter's small bit of hesitation prevents him from giving it back to Harry. Under this interpretation, the symbiote probably showed Peter the knife in order to give him the hesitation that would prevent him from giving it back to Harry, because it wanted to stay with Peter to feed on the negative emotions that Harry lacked. Then when Peter tears it off, it chooses Harry because Peter has worked through most of his problems while Harry is a storm of anger, resentment, betrayal, and sorrow. He lost his second chance at life, he lost his way of realizing his and his mother's dream, his best friend was going to let him die, and his father offered fatherly words of praise to said best friend who was going to let him die. He's the perfect host for a creature that feeds on negative emotions. All of these interpretations are perfectly valid, don't contradict the story, and have evidence supporting them. That could only have been done carefully and on purpose, and that's some good writing.

Can we just all agree that the editing was good cuz i really enjoyed it.

Yo it finally came out

Love the content, especially how you can bring positivity to a game that has been getting criticized (I’d say unfairly). I love the Insomniac Spider-man games. Discussion thing posed in the vid: The thing about Avengers and Fantastic 4 are probably off somewhere else. It’s told in the first game that the Avengers are in California. My best guess for MM and 2; 1. Miles’s villain was much more low scale in comparison to the avengers scales. 2. The whole thing with Venom’s Heal the World mission, it didn’t last very long, there are very few time skips in both games. Meaning that the spider-bros handled venom in a couple days, (I mean we saw how quickly Peter alone handled his rogues in the first game) and nobody except a handful of people had any info on the symbiotes to begin with. But that’s my thoughts on it, love your content Colin, keep up the good work.

41:46 - 43:52 is a cinematic masterpiece bro, the mixing, audio fading, it was phenomenal

Broo this vid was great❤

Bro The beginning should have been the trailer for the game

I know it's not directly related with the story, but you get so distracted in the Spanish version with their "neutral gender" approach that it takes you out of the narrative and seriousness of the themes... Like eating a good cake with some hidden needles inside

Something I think is interesting is when I went through new game plus for sm2 I heard a danacast where she states that Osborn is going through legal loopholes and delaying his trial for devils breath and I assume that's why he hasn't faced any representation yet

Fantastic video🙏

I liked your review of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 gameplay and story. While I like the story of Spider-Man 2 (2023) I still think Spider-Man (2018) had a better story overall.

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