What did you think of Altered Carbon Season 2?

@infctdppt

4 жыл бұрын

No

@frostyheart8201

4 жыл бұрын

Meh

@prashanthreinvented

4 жыл бұрын

its pretty obvious neither of you read the books or has a clue what you are talking about: 1. like matrix? 2. more personal season? lmao

@otherJim

4 жыл бұрын

I like Season 2, but Season 1 was so much better than Season 2. I care about all the main characters in Season 1, but not so much in Season 2.

@stridedeck

4 жыл бұрын

Season 1 is thousand times superior to season 2! Season 2: poor acting, poor writing, childish story line, and tedious to watch. Such a huge let down!

Completely agree with this review. I watched this season wondering why I wasn't as engaged as the first season. I loved the first season and this was a let down for me. Anthony Mackey was not Kovacks, he was just a generic action hero.

@LemonSte

4 жыл бұрын

totally agree. so many missed opportunities for classic kovacs sarcasm. i kept imagining joel in every scene and dying a little inside at what could have been. especially when it came to Quell (which btw, terrible storyline and goddammit she's annoying) - imagine Joel's kovacs reuniting with quell - heartwrenching. obviously elias needed his body back, but they should have searched high and low for the perfect kovacs. instead they chose the guy who people would recognise. so disappointing. even Will Yun Lee didn't sound like Kovacs this season, did they switch writers???

@mayam.3240

4 жыл бұрын

After watching season 1 again I think that the problem was not Mackey, but the general writing. Also the pacing in season 2 felt kinda off... I can't put my finger on too specific things, but it feels like they missed a lot of great opportunities...

@swiftblaqness

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayam.3240 For sure. I remember on episode 5 I checked how many were left and I'm like oh shit this is almost it ? Not only did they cut the episode count by 2 but it seemed as if each episode was also shorter than last season by like 10-20 mins.

@conyo985

4 жыл бұрын

@@mayam.3240 It was the plot. It felt like a generic sci-fi plot. A pissed off ancient alien race is about to end the world. Oh god! Then Kovacs and company will have to save the world! Ugh! Spare me!

Meh it wasn’t even half as good as first... first season tone, music and atmosphere was amazing... 2 felt rushed, muted and made for a mainstream audience.... thoroughly disappointing

@tonykrakov5060

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, this show went from one of my favourite shows ever, like top 10 best shows. To becoming somthing like top 60 since season 2 aired... They need the actor from season 1 to come back for the final season 3, or this will be ruined completely.

@BobRooney290

4 жыл бұрын

i think they wanted to cancel it on purpose. you dont go from super dope to meh like that without a reason.

Anthony’s Tak felt very off and just didn’t seem the same as season 1. But when his birth sleeve was spun up, that felt exactly like he did in season 1.

@LemonSte

4 жыл бұрын

i disagree, i don't feel like even will yun lee got the writing he deserved

@beefychief3355

4 жыл бұрын

La Ans I didn’t mean he felt like Joel’s tak, I meant he felt the same as Will did during his flashbacks in season 1. I still prefer him and Joel both over Mackey though.

@kaarthuisplus

4 жыл бұрын

His birth sleeve was completely different than s1.

@mayam.3240

4 жыл бұрын

They both were written pretty bland... It might be interesting to research how the writer staff changed....

@thomasthalberg92

4 жыл бұрын

ikr ? I mean all that hype regarding this soldier of legend and his training, both physically and mentally, his experience (not to mention his new overpowered sleeve)... none of that showed on "our" Kovac... he looked like a depressed, mid-level fighter that acted as a support character for his love interest, or something to be taken shots at by a random bounty hunter. Where as the "og" Kovac, displayed all of the above in spades. He was well trained, focused, fierce, intelligent, calculated... you know... as you would expect someone who has been an elite soldier for tens of years ?

He’s not Kovacs, his real names Clarence..

@Rosquilliam2

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Wedg thank you for this comment 😂

@letssamplethis7641

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Wedg That was brilliant! What a dig!

@marvelined.7770

4 жыл бұрын

🤣

Yeah Joel Kinnaman felt a lot more natural than Anthony. Joel looks and feels strung out, cold, exhausted and beat down but still maintains his presence and power. With Mackie it felt like a whole different energy. This seasons version of Takeshi kind of gets his butt kicked a number of times (especially by the old less experienced Tak? C'mon) so maybe that affected it. They also didnt introduce enough new ideas to this show to incite my mind into wandering down imaginative paths. I had to pause the first season a number of times because my brain would go off on tangents thinking about the nuances of all the things they were presenting and i would miss what was happening. Like Trepps "coils" were new but it really wasn't presented that interestingly. You guys talking about the magnetic gun hands had me cracking up. Our beautiful Poe is like the only thing that held this season together for me. Best change from the books, hes a goddamn gem.

@swiftblaqness

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah seriously. He didn't even feel like a legendary envoy lol. He got his ass whooped by everyone and lost to an younger less trained and less physically capable himself. Made no sense.

The aliens didn't create the DHF. Quell created it. The elders were able to download their consciousness into their own back up systems(the tree) and later, were able to invade her DHF through the roots of the tree.

@TheDrownedEarth

4 жыл бұрын

Was just about to say the same thing, but you beat me to it! :D

Poe is by far my favourite character. I legitimately teared up with some of his stuff

@RegularDude00

4 жыл бұрын

best character of the season. The only one i actually cared for this season

@alveolate

4 жыл бұрын

i loved poe in s1; but there was a bit too much of his pathetic glitch thing in s2... it wore me out eventually. they should've given him more stuff to do than glitching and failing for half the season.

@renes7280

4 жыл бұрын

Gregory Samuel Teo that is exactly what made me feel so hard for this character. Poe is the only inherently and genuinely good „person“ in.. what feels loke the whole entire series and to see him literally and figuratively break is what made me genuinely tear up as one of the only TV/Movie/Show characters ever.

I just finished Season 2, and I feel unsatisfied...not the good way either. Anthony Mackie as Tak 2.0 was fine, but I can't shake the feeling he was written much worse then in Season 1. He literally only has one goal/trait...Falconer. Plus his end (mostly) may have been the only option, but doing it felt like the writers shoving Talk away to make Quell the protagonist. Nevermind the worthless death of Jaeger (assuming he didn't have back ups). I can't be the only one, but did anyone else notice a tonal shift? I know Season 2 isn't a murder investigation like Season 1 was, but instead of world building, and moral dilemmas we got a somewhat predictable romance plot. I better stop writing this comment before I break YT posting it, but I'm a bit let down. If Season 3 is a thing I hope it's written better then this, and with a focus on the world not two characters. After all part of the charm of Season 1 is the world building and moral dilemmas.

@renes7280

4 жыл бұрын

honestly I get why you would feel this way but for me, personally, Poe compensated all of this seasons shortcomings. Can’t overstate how much I love Poe and how genuinely I felt for Poe throughout the season.

@ClareThePear

4 жыл бұрын

I loved the Poe more in this but I felt the script lacking for all characters and I felt the plot in itself is building up to something different. I didn't feel as connected to the characters as I did in season 1 and felt it quite predictable

@toomanylies7716

4 жыл бұрын

I get where you're coming from. I do feel like the world building was there on a surface level, and even higher with all the political stuff, it just was done as part of a conversation or what was happening on screen. For instance the transport station, where people got uploaded to another skin on another planet. It was there, it just is treated as matter of fact now instead of explained.

The show looks bland when compared to season 1.

@ClareThePear

4 жыл бұрын

It looked rushed and the set pieces looked cheap

@mainepants

4 жыл бұрын

Read the books and you will like it even less. The books are absolutely amazing but they butchered them to make this show.

@foxdoe7540

4 жыл бұрын

@@mainepants The 2nd and 3rd books are pretty bad actually. As bad as season 2 is compared to season 1. For the same reasons aswell. It goes from Dark cyberpunk, neo noir thriller to generic bland sci fi.

@conyo985

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Seriously!? An ancient alien race is exacting revenge to the founders then Kovacs and company has to save the world! Very generic and insulting! I expected more!

@mainepants

4 жыл бұрын

@@conyo985 In the books the aliens threat is from the relics they've left behind like the defence array on Harlens World. The second book which they decided to skip for (Hard on for Quellcrist Falconer) reasons had alot of alien stuff in it but none coming to life and taking revenge on a species that didn't exist when they went extinct! This series is worse than Game of Thrones for rewriting the source material.

It was easier to make a copy of Kovacs because it was a copy. Poe couldn't just copy himself because his program was damaged so he'd also be copying the damaged parts. That's why they needed to create a special program to separate out all his memories from the damaged parts of his program.

@paulqueen2209

4 жыл бұрын

While everyone is assuming that the 'human dhf' shown at the end is Takeshi...what proof do we actually have that it is him? What if what we are actually seeing is Takeshi's gift to Po? Po's story arc was having him become more 'human' so perhaps what we see there at the end is a 'human DHF' that has all of Po's life experiences in it. A way for him to finally be truly human. It also fits with what Dig was doing to Po more than having an unreliable Po safeguarding a copy of Takeshi's DHF

@gangsterboden

4 жыл бұрын

Paul queen I think the answer to that question is in season 1. At the end of the season, we see the boots of kovacs to get us excited for season 2. I believe that parallels the scene of the dhf in season 3. Not to mention this show I'd based of a series of books....

I don't feel too crazy anymore that I don't care about the Quell :Takeshi romance.

It makes sense that this Takeshi would be different from season1. Season 1 was 300yrs after his capture,but for him it was only a fee days. Season 2 is after searching for Quell for 30yrs. I have no connection to the source material so while I prefer season 1, I enjoyed this season and would be happy to see more.

This is the first review I pretty much completely agreed with. Nice upload. Also I miss the film noir of the first, and Joel fit into that world so well. Not a big fan of Anthony's portrayal of the protagonist in this season at all. I honestly didn't even feel like it was Kovacs. Could be the writing, could be him... Or could be both.

@melyssalayrensia

4 жыл бұрын

A Chocobo the first kovac was more like an angry introvert, while the second kovac was like an angry extrovert guy. I’m also not feeling this 2nd season, its just kovacs chasing quell and nothing else remains.

@elimgarak4667

4 жыл бұрын

@@melyssalayrensia Agreed. I was so in love with the first season, the ideas, the world, and the characters... Then season 2 comes, I'm all excited. And I could hardly even get through it, it felt almost like a chore.

Takashi seemed like a completely different character. Different actor brought different feel to it. I still liked it but first season was better. They set it up for another season so we will see where it goes. I can't wait for animated show thou.

@jav3134

4 жыл бұрын

chimpy 726 agree. Mackie did great but it was how they wrote & directed the character this season. It’s not the same

@phlookode

4 жыл бұрын

The guy has been travelling and not finding what he is looking for in 30 years... not like the coming back from the dead guy, the one that cheated death, he lived, you kinda lose your sarcasm and humor. That's actually what i liked, he isn't the same as when he had nothing to lose or nothing to live for, you see evolution in the character... It makes sense and wouldn't if he was still unfazed by everything.

@mayam.3240

4 жыл бұрын

I thought the same, so I watched the first season again. Just to be sure I do not remember it wrong... and in fact, Mackie actually does an excellent job, but the skipt treats him like a completly diffrent character. And ffs... NO, a fruitless seach does NOT provide an acceptable explanation for this bland character. In fact, psychologically it should go the other way around. He should be even more darker, sarcastic, etc. He's just written... bland...

@duckgoesquack4514

4 жыл бұрын

Wonder if the sleeves hormones effect the mind

@phlookode

4 жыл бұрын

@@duckgoesquack4514 it does, remember in the first season, when Kovacs got the Ryker sleeve, he was weirdly attracted to Kristin. So in short YES!

Ung. His power of guns is not to bring guns to his hands. His power is to bring "His" guns to his hands if those specific guns are within a certain radius. This was explained TWICE in season 2 to beat that fact into your brains. 1st was when he woke up and first picks up his "guns" and 2nd time was when he let himself be captured to be presented to the Yakuza head.

@AmrSabbagh

4 жыл бұрын

yeah but what's the point of having that power when he used it like twice and never in any creative or interesting ways. same with having dog genes, like it doesn't add anything of substance at all to the plot but it's there a lot of unfired chekhov's this season

@Zenocided

4 жыл бұрын

​@@AmrSabbagh I agree with the poor choice of "super" power for having personalized magnetic return guns. It would have looked better on-screen and been much more practical to have him use a knife that auto returned. Essentially giving him MK's scorpion throw without needing a rope. They probably only picked a gun because they needed Tak to "blow" out stacks. I think the dog genes were put in so his mentor would be the "Alpha" dog? Which is weird to put dog genes for that. If it gave him a better sense of smell/tracking, it'd make much more sense.

I will wach the season 1 for third time. Season 2 never again.

@letssamplethis7641

4 жыл бұрын

Rodrigo After getting bored with the first Episode of season 2 I started season 1 all over again.

@rodU65

4 жыл бұрын

@@letssamplethis7641 Season 1 rocks. Everyone liked to see the differences between the rich and poor. Especially to see the rich, they have the best toys.

The Elders were depicted in Book 2 as almost pterodactyls, so this was an accurate representation

Anthony Mackie is an amazing actor. Season 1 the three Takeshi's are very different. Prime is having epiphanies and is hopeful, 2.0 is a broken man on the run but still trying to hold onto his morals, Kovach is completely jaded and out for self. In the end, he did help his pack but the original guy who was family over everything and down with final death was gone. The three actors didn't even talk or walk alike. Mackie putting his own spin on Takeshi was fine, the problem was the writing. His character didn't have much to it. He was all about finding his girl. This Takeshi wasn't faced with any of the moral dilemmas of season one. He couldn't show any depth to the character because the writing was surface level. Kristin was cool, but 30 years had passed since season 1. He was around her for a few weeks and he left her reunited with Elias. He definitely had more of a connection with Quell. The problem is she too wasn't written well. Her memory was gone almost the entire season, and then when she recovered it the fierce inspiring leader wasn't there anymore. The woman who created Envoys was worth 3 centuries of longing. It would've been better if Quell was gone. Sacrificing herself to the elder while she was in containment would've been better. It should've been her sleeve, and Takeshi making peace with her being gone and helping the aliens like she would've wanted. The Elders were the most interesting thing this season and they barely got any screen time. That's really where the show failed.

@LemonSte

4 жыл бұрын

in what way is he an amazing actor lmao. I BELIEVE joel and will as kovacs, as people to begin with. anthony mackie just seemed like anthony mackie pretending to be grouchy. didn't buy it.

@danielc9967

4 жыл бұрын

Now that is a fantastic opinion, well thought and well written

@EloiseInParis

4 жыл бұрын

@@LemonSte I've watched all three actors over their careers. They are all great actors. Anthony killed it as Danny in Black Mirror. It was one episode and he went through more emotional conflict about his relationships in Striking Vipers then he did in this show's entire season. Joel's version of Kovacs wasn't too far off from his portrayal of investigative cop Holder in The Killing. Will's perfomance as a man having his eyes opened to amazing possibilities wasn't too different from his performance as Taka in Falling Water. The reason why we know they were the same person is because we were told. Their performances weren't actually identical. To me, Will's version of Kovacs was lame this season too. But it wasn't his acting, it was the writing.

@Peecamarke

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with this opinion. Glad someone saved me the time of writing it doen

@tonykrakov5060

4 жыл бұрын

Anthony is a terrible actor, zero expression and same face in different scenes. Oh boy, marvel is going to regret picking him, as the next captain america.

I was blown away by the quality of the 1st season. Sadly, season 2 I stopped watching after the 2nd episode. Kovacs is not kovacs. Mannerisms and the way he spoke was not Kovacs. Those things come with the STACK, no matter what the sleeve is. The dialogue, nudity, allowing the viewer to figure things out RATHER than telling us...totally dumbed down and mainstreamed. Oh, I did finish the season, hoping it would improve. But nope. Too bad. How did this happen I wonder? I expected way more.

@renes7280

4 жыл бұрын

honestly I can 100% see all of your criticism but I just love Poe too much. Poe, atleast for me, makes up for all of this seasons shortcomings and I enjoyed the rest of the season. Not as much as the first one but again, I loved every single scene Poe was in.

@galleryphotogenie4999

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! Yeah I love Poe also. I was glad to see him again. He shines.

@conyo985

4 жыл бұрын

Yes it's mainstreamed! The ending is insulting. An ancient alien is about to destroy Harlan's world so Kovacs and company has to save the world! That is a generic sci-fi plot! Ugh!

Season 1 was definitely better. The murder mystery/detective theme, the planet being new to us viewers, the twists in character loyalty: that's what made for a great season. This season was just......lacking.

Anthony Mackie is to Joel Kinnaman the way Sam Wilson is to Steve Rogers. Kinnamen really came off as an ultimate super-badass where Mackie felt like an average soldier.

Used to watch these two doing Westworld. Literally haven’t seen them since! Thought they’d moved on. Welcome back.

Simply put, I LOVED Season 1 and liked/enjoyed Season 2. Hoping for a Season 3 and if not I might actually check out the books.

Don't watch season 1 if you want to enjoy season 2. Big let down in season 2

Just finished season 2 and have to agree with this review. I enjoyed the characters a lot in season 1 and exploring how this society functions. This season wasn’t bad but much smaller than the previous. I still hope they get a season 3

The reason why Poe couldn't copy himself was because his core system was corrupted and if he were to copy himself over he'd have just restarted with a corrupted copy.

Yeah, they didn't use the magneto-hands enough, especially while there were guns lying around everywhere, but no, he lets his opponent punch him some more...

If Poe did a backup of himself without fixing the glitch first, he'd also copy the corrupted portions, so there would nothing be won.

Virtually everything in this second season is lacking. Casting, dialogue, scene environments, fight scenes are weak. Low quality, low budget, felt like a lame CW tv show. I enjoyed the first season a lot. This season clearly shows it's not on the same level as The Expanse.

This was a really excellent review that went into a lot of good detail.

Mackie got hired to play Kovacs like this, the showrunners did not want Kovacs to be like he was in s1, and they did not want s2 to be like s1. choices like this are not made by actors they are just hired employees and sometimes even the showrunners cant make the final decisions without a green light from the investors ...but yes s2 felt like a DLC to s1 being the main game.

@RegularDude00

4 жыл бұрын

well that was a bad decision

Biggest problem is not sharing information. Kel gets her self back by laving her hands, "Hey guys, there's an alien inside me and we made a deal, I kill the founders and the alien doesn't blow up the planet". Or the alien in the construct, "Hey Kovacs I made a deal with Kel..." To which Kovacs says, "Cool I'm down with that, but do you mind if I save Kel's life too? Kinda an addendum to your deal".

I loved season one. blew me away a bit. everything about this season was so much worse. worse actors. worse story....just..what even happened in the story? very forgettable. I lost interest almost straight away unfortunately. don't understand how there is anything good to say about it really... ah well, season one is still worth a re-watch...

The main character gets stabbed in the same spot three times in the first episode and the cool thing about that is it pays off at the end of the episode.

Carrera/Jaeger was a far more compelling character than Kovacs was this time. That's a great thing for a villian, but the supposed protagonist didn't really seem to have much agency. He was just reacting to events happening around him for the most part.

@SolomonsNightmare

4 жыл бұрын

I do agree that he was probably the most interesting character of this season, but he wasn't that great ether. I still felt that he was also off. His love and hatred emotion toward Taku felt quite off too. For me, he was just a cheap version of Reil.

Season 2 just made me sad.

I watched it , and when i was at episode 8. i realized i didn't care how it ends ... That's how good it was..

I mostly agree with you. This season was disappointing...

I liked season 1 much better, even though Anthony Mackie was good he was just an obsessed sourpuss who gets his ass kicked a lot. This season dealt with themes of obsession leading to ruin and our memories make us who we are even if we let go of the people in them so we can move forward in our life, and that was done well but Kovachs just seemed like a straight obsessed douche instead of the hopeful caring somewhat douche from season 1. Made me a little sad too as far as the memories make us who we are because my mom and grandmother passed away from Alzheimer’s disease, but I did like the Circle fights and loved Poe.

I liked Season One but was annoyed at the changes (like practically everyone that read the books). Started watching the first episode of Season Two and straight away realised they have skipped book two and gone straight to Woken Furies!? Why bother getting the rights to awesome books if you are going to throw away the story and plot lines of the source material and go your own way?

My biggest hope for season 3 is to bring back Joel as Takeshi again. Whether he is better at the character or you just can't not associate him as the Tak after the first season Joel to me just embodies Tak perfectly. The point you bring up about him being the detective and the better detective makes a massive difference to me. It fully plays into first seasons Noir atmosphere they did so well. Admittedly Harlons works makes that harder or more impossible to do but still the detective aspect gives the character and story so much more weight /body & feels more of a journey and more fleshed out. More complete I guess. Not good at saying what I mean it feel but so hope I get it across to you guys.

can we have a video showing season 2 vs the 2nd book?

Lol, yeah they copy a human personality in a matter of seconds, and "trap" the elder in a vr simulation in order to separate it from Kel, but cant do anything for Poe? Shame, shame, double shame.

Great review, I didn’t realize how disappointed I was w season 2 until I saw this 😂

Kinnimen's portrayal was Kakeshi after being brought back from a "F it" time in his life but Mackie has been running around for a while with nothing driving him no goals or nothing - to live an aimless immortal life would make you grumpy and be all in if the only person that gave him purpose comes back - if Mackie and the writers wanted him the same would have been boring

Season 1 was about life, and how one's darker nature can become twisted and stronger the longer they live. Tak was nothing but a relic that spent hundreds of years having nobody to care about and seeing the world turn into exactly what Quell was trying to prevent. His personality at that point borders on nihilism--something Joel did very well. Season 2 is about death, and letting go of the past. Tak spent 30 years looking for someone, becoming more distraught over time. Poe, his companion, constantly risks the success of missions because he cannot let go of his memories--Lizzie, in particular. Dig spent years without a purpose, and gets a shot at something new. In the end, Tak finds Quell and restores her memories only to realize that what he and Quell shared was a moment, not a start of an epic love. A moment that changed humankind. Tak even has the chance to tell HIMSELF in the most therapeutic of ways how he felt about killing his own sister. Tripp had to let go of her brother, someone she started killing to find. Tak, Poe, Dig, and Tripp all learn to let go. They all die, and become something new. I honestly love this season as much as I love the first. Both actors for Tak bring out the right elements for his character, given that he has gone through. Can't wait for season 3!

If I made a video to review this season it would be exactly two seconds long because all that needs to be said is "it sucked".

I so glad you mentioned the relationship between Takeshi and Poe because it really bumped for me as well. Season 2 Takeshi was unjustifiably a prick to Poe which was really disappointing for me. Didn’t enjoy season 2 very much which is sad because season 1 is probably my favourite season of a show ever

I got one more episode to go. I’ll be back here to hear the review! So far so good but I like Joel a bit more than Anthony.

Season 2 had a lot more action, and the action was good, but the season 1 action scenes felt more impactful.

Lucy, are you REALLY a Nine Inch Nails fan, or is that a Carol Danvers casual cosplay?

There were a lot of shortcomings in season 2 as sad as it is to say. Altered Carbon and Black Mirror are my two favorite shows of all time I was so excited for this and was let down. Anthony is not a bad actor by any stretch but i never felt like he was Tak in someone elses sleeve he just seemed like his own person whereas I felt like Joel and Will Lee acted exactly the same. It’s like he was really soft in this. All of the deep and interesting moral complexities of the Meths and humanity, living forever, being you but in a different body, seems completely stripped away and it was basically a pretty weak and unbelievable love story set in the AC universe. The chemistry just wasn’t there between the two actors and it just didn’t work for me. Also the tone of the show was completely different from season 1. S1 felt a lot more gritty, brutal & visceral.They are different in terms of the actual plot but the S1 was had ALOT of violence and nudity comparatively, which the nudity towards the end of the season felt quite gratuitous and they were beating you over the head with it so I was glad they toned that down for S2. Ugh why. I think “it’s there if you want it” sums it up perfectly. Season 1 is an absolute masterpiece and S2 exists.. Poe at least was still awesome and became an even more interesting and compelling character.

@ProjectblackOfficial

4 жыл бұрын

Concerning nudity in S1. People did not feel naked; the body is not you, it is just a sleeve. So no inhibitions, shame etc. It is logical in a way and I found it was strange to switch to almost no nudity in S2. Not logical at all.

@swiftblaqness

4 жыл бұрын

@@ProjectblackOfficial Yeah exactly. I for one liked the nudity, any sex scene in a show/movie without nudity completely takes me out of the scene. Like oh yeah im watching 2 actors pretend at sex lol.

I liked season 2, it just didn't have the WOW factor of 1. Season 1 was more out there. They toned it down in 2, which is where it was less successful. I think Mackey did a good job taking Kovak's story further, but they made it PG instead of the wonderful hard R it was before.

11:39 he can only do that to the guns that are specifically registered to that sleeve.

Filled my heat to see you guys love the show as much as me. ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Love to you both. And yes first season was better.

Isn't AR (Augmented reality) in the circle fights, are synths made equal of those people emotionally related to Takeshi to break him.

i hated the season 2 altered carbon from netflix is an adaptation of a book called altered carbon by richard k morgan thereis two other books broken angel & woken furries the season one adapted this book with lots of changes ( kovach dont have a sister , quellcrist falconer died killed by the martian orbital platform 300years before kovach was born , the cetac of the show are the diplo fo the books (virgina vidora is the mentor who trained kovach (the diplo training of the serie) and the love interest of kovach is sara who died in the 1st scene of the show the season two of altered where supposed to adapt the second book ( broken angel) but the show adapted the book 2 &3 and merged the plots and it's make no sense once you read the books the books two is about kovach who was ans impactor of carrera in a war against joshua kemp on the planet sanction IV and is recuted for helping archaeologists finish their research they found a martian door before the war the site is nuked by kemp ans with special sleeve they continue their research the door is a worm hole and on the other side there is space with dead archaeologist and a martian spaceship with a momified martian inside and there is another spaceship who pass and attack the martiain spaceship respond and attack too BUT THE ONLY THING NETFLIX KEPT IS CARRERA AND JOSHUA KEMP this is so sad i was so hyped when i finished the book and now i'm frustrated quellcrist falconer came back in the book 3 woken furries but no in the same way the martian orbital platform didn't kill they save the data of the stacks (so the people) and a cyborg women catch the mind of quell ) and have the two personality a copy of kovach (when he was a diplo )like in the season two chase them the acion happen in harlan the two story of the book 2 and 3 are amazing apart this is so sad that they mixed it together

I felt like the circle was nothing more than a plot device to shoehorn the 1st season characters into a guest appearance. I'm very sure Tak had more past relationships he could've been tortured with. I guess they're just going to doctor who the Takeshi actor every season.

TBH, I want magical "make drink cans come to me" hands, esp if it can open the fridge, select when I want beer in a bottle, a can of Coke, or water; then that is Envoy power I want. Also for me, I wish they did more of the story from the second book vs the make things up as they go along season 2. I enjoyed the world, but it wasn't exactly for me. Loved Poe, and while I like Renee Elise Goldsberry from her roles in Rent and Hamilton, I wasn't into Quell in S1 and even less into her in S2. Would have loved to see more of the lounge singer sleeve, she was cool in every other role I've seen her in. Macky felt like he was playing the guy, who's playing the guy, who's pretending to be the guy, who is the other guy... wooden, he felt wooden.

I don't like how they were bringing back Mackie's version of Kovacs at the end. In a season where the overall theme was that death gives life meaning, having the main character sacrifice his own life to save the one he loved, along with the world, is cheapened by the "Lol, just kidding" move.

I haven't read the books, is Altered Carbon (Netflix) 2 accurate? Felt like it was almost a Stan script that got everything we would want. EDIT: Ah, missed last line, you covered this-it's book 2 and 3 combined. My, that is a lot.

I do absolutely agree. The writing was so weird. There were so many missed opportunities. And then it felt both rushed and streched at the same time. On it's own it doesn't even feel like a bad season... just mediocre and forgettable... But... if you compare it to the first season it's just ridiculously disappointing. What did they do to the writers.... ?!

Yooo I binged this season too I loved the character, I honestly wasn’t expecting Anthony Mackie to do so well after seeing him play Falcon so long...I liked how they spun up the Original Kovac up that was fresh and they really explained Kovac past a lot better in depth than the first. The first season felt like it was all about him solving a case but this time they give insight on the Last Envoy

Fantastic season. That ending got me like😭

so i take it yall havent read the source material?

It's really hard to watch this season, it's really boring

@letssamplethis7641

4 жыл бұрын

Saggy T Yep, I still can’t bring myself to finish the first episode. 30mins, that’s all I could take.

@antilumi1

4 жыл бұрын

The first 2 episodes were boring but then I find myself liking the rest of season 2.

@saggyt7473

4 жыл бұрын

@@antilumi1 thanks I try more episodes

@ralphsampang253

4 жыл бұрын

Try finishing the rest of the season it’s not the bad.

@swiftblaqness

4 жыл бұрын

@@ralphsampang253 it's still pretty bad lol

Season 2 felt like Sci-fi but season 1 felt like cyberpunk

I just want Tak to get his original (a clone of his sleeve) sleeve back.

This show itself is somewhat of a wasted opportunity, with such a great concept it could be a masterpiece with better writing, but the producers & writers don’t seem to wanna delve into any serious themes so we just get a bunch of cool cyberpunk visuals with fluffy writing. But I’ll say the character of POE is a standout in this show, great actor that played him!

Season 1 was amazing, it was the best cyberpunk since the original Blade Runner. Season 2 is more like The Matrix, that's a good point. But where The Matrix was also a great movie, season 2 was not a good season. It was okay but highly disappointing compared to season 1.

A for being good A mystery crime reveal at the final episode Anthony Mackie is ok A- because everyone relate to the bounty hunter, her companion is the last archeologist, her brother wake up the ancient threat

Watch 3 episode and its bored me already. Should i continue watching it till end?

@infctdppt

4 жыл бұрын

Nah

@Hazard2005

4 жыл бұрын

The show is not for you

@RegularDude00

4 жыл бұрын

mmmmmhhh i dont know. Poe is still a awesome character and his scenes are great. But you would have to sit through a lot of boring stuff to get to these scenes so im not sure if its worth it

@deen100584

4 жыл бұрын

@@RegularDude00 Yes i agreed, poe scenes are great, but other then that nothing attract me. So i guess the show is not for me.

Wonder why they didn't do the same thing as season 1

Well, I get people were not all into Mackie, but we will most likely get a new person in the role next season.

On a goddamn sticky note lmao

I liked both seasons. One was better, but 2 was still good IMO!

The show meshed all 3 books and ripped the heart out of it... Season 2 went down hill has fast as the sequel books... There was so much potential but they forgot how to write on this one.

After reading the books, i dont know what this is, but it isnt Altered Carbon. Maybe the CW is looking for another teen chosen one series

The guy has been travelling and not finding what he is looking for in 30 years... not like the coming back from the dead guy, the one that cheated death, he lived, you kinda lose your sarcasm and humor. That's actually what i liked, he isn't the same as when he had nothing to lose or nothing to live for, you see evolution in the character... It makes sense and wouldn't if he was still unfazed by everything.

I'm gonna go and say, I didnt like season 1 all that much. It had brilliant world building and likable, interesting characters, but writing and many other stuff was sooo surface level. My biggest gripe was definitely the sister character, as soon as she appeared, she derailed the whole show. Season 1 is like 7/10 for me. Season 2 had different vibe, maybe too different, but it was still fun. Mackie did a great job, but side characters are much less interesting. And yes, Poe is a jewel. Season 2 is like 6,5/10 for me.

Its probably a HUGE stretch... but they should let Neill Blomkamp consult or contribute somehow.... Or maybe a promising talent that has been involved with his creative process.

Wow

really really disappointed. I BELIEVE joel and will as kovacs, as a character with depth to begin with - anthony mackie just seemed like anthony mackie pretending to be grouchy. didn't buy it. so many missed opportunities for classic kovacs sarcasm, for humour, and equally for pain and sincerity. i kept imagining joel in every scene and dying a little inside at what could have been. especially when it came to Quell (which btw, terrible storyline and goddammit she's annoying) - imagine Joel's kovacs reuniting with quell - heartwrenching. obviously elias needed his body back, but they should have searched high and low for the perfect kovacs. instead they chose the guy who people would recognise. so disappointing. even Will Yun Lee didn't sound like Kovacs this season, did they switch writers? and i have so many questions. how much time has passed since season 1? are all Poe and Kovacs' friends back on earth now deceased? how the hell did Poe get restored? Why did they backtrack on the Ortega childrens death? (theres no way the ghostwalker didn't slag their stacks too)

@RegularDude00

4 жыл бұрын

really felt like they switched writers. The kovac of season 1 was WAY BETTER. When he woke up from torture and started going on a rampage that shit was coldblooded and badass. Didnt see anything close to it this season. Or intense hot naked chicks fighting with katanas. Silly af but it sure is entertaining

This was so much better at 1.5 speed.

Season 1 was way better. Better story, better characters, better fight scenes. I couldnt care less for most of the new characters besides poe's new AI Friend i liked her but the rest .... duuuuude i really couldnt give a shit about any of them. The only good moments that kept me watching were every scene with poe and the short cameos of the old characters like vernon and rei. To bad they had next to no screentime. And sry but falconer is a horrible main character.

This season at best was lackluster. Hopefully it goes back to the noireness of season one. Idk i liked it but I did see difference from this season and the last.

Kovacs in a Mackie sleeve.

I think the search of Kovac and Poe for Quell (straight after season one) would be way more interesting than what they did this season. It's just a blane action series at this point. And one thing really annoys me: The bounty hunter system is shown like it's a really big thing, but all the characters do to not get identified is puttting on a hoody. You live in the god damn future. This should not work. Your face is everywhere. A hoody hides the back of your head not your fucking face!! Only one time did they use a mask, but they removed the mask for talking. Why???!!! I hate these kind of logic mistakes.

@14.18 .... it's NOT A PLOT HOLE you vacuous woman, Poe obviously can't make a copy of himself because his mind is damaged, it would be like making a copy of a corrupted hard drive - what wound be the point - whereas Kovacs isn't glitching and the copy would therefore be good enough to be used.

@solasta

3 жыл бұрын

Well quite. Furthermore- if people can backup their stacks into remote storage facilities in orbit, then it would have to the be the case that Poe could take a backup so long as he had sufficiently sophisticated download and storage capabilities- or found a method to improvise them.

So first, while Anthony Mackie’s Tak would have been fine if he was the first person to play Tak. Sadly, he wasn’t. He was the second person. Mackie’s biggest goal in acting should have been consistency. The characters were just not the same. Tak Prime and Kinaman’s Tak were pretty similar, but Mackie’s was not the same. Additionally, I would have loved it if Quell stayed lost and lived as a ghost/memory forever. Would have made it so, so much more bitter sweet if he lived his whole life comparing everything with what it could have been with her. I would give S1 9/10 and S2 6.5/10. Ok to watch and fun, but not as imaginative or fun.

This is what happened after westworld there are a lot of similarities

Effects aren't as good as the first season. It looks like a big budget drop. Netflix is tightening their budgets across the board, after literally going for broke trying to grab market share. Which is understandable. They can not continue operating at a loss. They had entered into a death match with Amazon and Hulu. Hulu stepped back first. Leaving the two giants to slug it out. But, its just not sustainable for either. Both, have stepped back to lick their wounds. The first season had more panning CGI shots with elaborate movement. Not just lights in the distance representing vehicles. This season looked not much better than any other Sfy-Fy channel show. The first season looked as good as a lot of high budget movies. Plus the first season had James Purfoy (sp), a very dynamic actor.

@swiftblaqness

4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was just me. I literally thought in my head when watching 2 that the first season looked like blade runner and this season looked like a show made for fx or syfy LoL

@jdranetz

4 жыл бұрын

@@swiftblaqness It might as well been episodes of "Kill Joys" or "DarkMatter".

@swiftblaqness

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdranetz lol seriously

I hate the ending. It was just too by the numbers. A pissed off alien that is out for revenge is about to destroy Harlan's world and Kovacs and company will have to save the world! What!? That's like the plot for a generic sci-fi movie! Season 1 is better and is a more personal story for Kovacs. Because her sister became more and more corrupt and less of what she used to be. The build up was fantastic to the ending of Season 1. It was such an emotional journey for Kovacs to kill her sister and accept what she's become.

So what was the score?

Season 2 was 8/10 for me

Bloody ell . . . You two are so vicious on season 2 going all the way in init??? Enjoyed lots view though yeah . . .

I miss rei

I liked it..alot

I couldn’t get through any of the episodes in S1, the writing was so empty I didn’t care about anyone, but S2 seemed more engaging, not sure if it was better writing or just better actors