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@americanrebelking8337

4 жыл бұрын

Loved it

@Beer_Dad1975

4 жыл бұрын

Really disappointing season 2 IMO. Poorly written story and one dimensional characters, flat or campy performances from many of the leads - even the set design, fights and effects seemed lacklustre. Let's hope they come back fighting next season.

@WirelessJoeJackson

4 жыл бұрын

stopped watching it... dull...uninteresting characters...unnecessary jibber jabber dialogue

@fareshajjar1208

4 жыл бұрын

It's so terrible. They ruined it.

I definitely like the switch to Poe; he was one of the show's real stand out characters

@Gabebbee

4 жыл бұрын

wyatt hatch especially this season 😭

@lindarojas734

4 жыл бұрын

He is my favorite character of the show

@andraken

4 жыл бұрын

It's always like that. Daryl wasn't even in The Walking Dead comic and he became the most beloved character of the franchise. And here goes for Poe aswell

@gerarditoluis

4 жыл бұрын

I agree...Poe is the key of the show...his friendship with kovacks is essensial

@KikomochiMendoza

2 жыл бұрын

It was a big surprise to me that it wasn't Poe and the Raven Hotel in the original book. It seemed too perfect to leave out and Poe fits right well in.

Altered Altered Carbon

@LickorishAllsorts

5 жыл бұрын

Almost beyond recognition.

@josephatherley

4 жыл бұрын

Not a carbon copy then?

@AlexSmith-tz2lf

4 жыл бұрын

Cheeky af

One pretty big change is that they've made the stacks much more vulnerable. Stacks are supposed to be like black boxes, able to survive a huge amount of punishment. But on the show, you see stacks being pretty easily destroyed. You even see Bancroft destroy one by hitting a prostitute on the back of the neck really hard. So on the show, it doesn't make much sense how they're able to recover stacks from big crashes and explosions.

@MrH4eafy

6 жыл бұрын

KingOfMadCows I would assume that’s because destroying a stack as durable as you describe while in a human body would be extremely gruesome.

@fieldy409

6 жыл бұрын

Easier on the writers I guess. Characters die when you need them to and live when you dont without hard explanation.

@MetalGamer666

5 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about this in the show. For the customers who want to real death the prostitutes, they make this elaborate scheme where they are coded in a way so that they can't be spun back up. Why not just blow out their stack? Can someone explain this to me, as it doesn't make sense the way it was explained in the show.

@ConfuzzledTomato

5 жыл бұрын

@@MetalGamer666 do they have customer's that want to RD prostitutes?? I don't think so, I think they just want to 'kill' the sleeve (which is till very illigal). The whole 'converting prostitutes to neo Catholic ' thing is more for safe guard for cases like Bancroft I think. That way they can work the prostitute for longer, put the same stack on many different sleeves and when they escape or die they can't be spun back to testify against the meths.

@jacobshaftoe8326

4 жыл бұрын

@@fieldy409 , easier on the writers of a show based on a book better than anything they added or edited, yes.

the characters were much more likeable and relatable in the series first season than in the book. I kind of missed them in the second season and was a little dosappointed in seeing this new desperate and reckless kovacs out of nowhere, it felt like watching a whole new character without any kind of warning.

Season 1: Only the Richest people on Earth can backup their ghosts. Season 2: You can essentially store your ghost in an MMS message.

@wolfiemcfox7080

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, it's a 30 year gap. Plenty of time for those kinds of developments to be made

@standalonecomplex2195

4 жыл бұрын

@@raavimehta In books Trepp character (a mercenary/hired hand) had backup - but she could afford only to back it up every few weeks or even months. The main problems with backups was to have them legally and updated. Only one copy was legal to be active at the same time. Main cost was having clones ready in tanks and regular update by string transfer or sth. like that.

@sosickandtiredofalltheneed568

3 жыл бұрын

Youre wrong

It's basically a completely different story, the main drives of the show's plot, Kovac's love for Quellcrist and his insane meth sister, are both not in the book.

@BaronVonWolfe19

4 жыл бұрын

Oof. All the stuff with his ex is the worst part of the show. It works best as an anthology Blade Runner ripoff with a twist.

@tommytwo-times9053

4 жыл бұрын

Bad Day Jay i agree. i think she should’ve stayed in the past

@fuckoff69

4 жыл бұрын

Wow, that's so irritating to hear, because I thought everything to do with Quellcrist was the worst bits of the show. It seemed so unnecessary and too convenient that Quellcrist just happened to want to bang the hero (some definite hero-harem syndrome), and I thought the actor for Quellcrist, being from Broadway, tended to lean towards campy and melodramatic in her delivery and it just didn't play well on screen.

@tommytwo-times9053

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck Off facts

@darko-man8549

3 жыл бұрын

@@fuckoff69 I think the melodramatic works and was intentional due to Quellcrist's nature as a religious/rebellion leader/speaker

Like other people, I liked the show, but I think the worst change was making the Envoys into Quellists, and perhaps Quellism itself being toned down and sanitized into something less radical.

@fredflinston41

5 жыл бұрын

Toned down and sanitized so the feminist heroine does not appear to be a psychopathic ghoul...........

@stardappledgreen

5 жыл бұрын

It didn't make sense to me why someone like Bancroft would want an envoy researching his case if envoys were known revolutionaries...so that's one change that possibly had unintended ripple effects on other parts of the story

@dj1NM3

4 жыл бұрын

@@stardappledgreen It makes sense to have a former member of the CTAC Praetorian Envoys (the elite forces of the Protectorate) as your investigator/bodyguard, because even if he was corrupted by the Quellist resistance (who also were called "envoys" for some reason), he still has the abilities beaten into him by that CTAC training. The fact that the Quellist resistance is now "ancient history" means that it doesn't matter so much about Kovacs history, but his uniqueness is something that attracted Laurens Bancroft to employ him.

As someone who's never read the books, the show left a really good first impression on me, and I am eager to see where it leads. I enjoyed both the first and second seasons, and all of the characters and subplots. It really surprised me to hear about all of the changes, but I think it's a good idea that they created Poe. Poe is the best and he should live forever.

@silver2zilver

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@MaturishGambino

2 жыл бұрын

@@silver2zilver its cancelled

I would have thought that destroying Sarah's stack -and thus removing the whole motivation of Kovac's character arc over three books- in the first few minutes would have rated as a major change, Lucy!

I think the worst part of the show was the ending. I was dissatisfied with the Head in the Clouds scene and how Lizzie came in and almost solo'd the entire map. Like someone said before, Kovacs shouldn't have needed saving. I'd be okay with Ortega's involvement, but having Lizzie made the ending feel more cheap and trite than it had to be.

IMHO Kovac's 'Tech Ninja' sleeve deserved an honorable mention.

POE was definitely a plus!

Quellism isn't a religion; it's a political philosophy/call to arms.

@notjin2109

6 жыл бұрын

abraxis20 we can make a religion out of this

@TaiFei

6 жыл бұрын

Quellism isn´t a ideologie, you don´t know the quote:"Face the facts. Then act on them. It's the only mantra I know, the only doctrine I have to offer you, and it's harder than you'd think, because I swear humans seem hardwired to do anything but. Face the facts. Don't pray, don't wish, don't buy into centuries-old dogma and dead rhetoric. Don't give in to your conditioning or your visions or your fucked-up sense of... whatever. FACE THE FACTS. THEN act.” That´t not ideologic, that´s real politics!

@fareshajjar1208

4 жыл бұрын

It's boring and it killed this series...

Jimi Hendrix may have been too jarring. Poe was better for the themes and whatnot.

Found it hilatrious how the writers merged characters and changed the story so that "women are badass" but removed an already existing badass woman whom from the moment she appears in the book she lights up every scene she's in and also Ex Machina's Kovacs at least twice in the second half of the first book.

@xxMpEGxx

Жыл бұрын

Who is that?

@ChristheFlakkerGod

Жыл бұрын

@@xxMpEGxx Trep.

When show runners decide based on personal preference to change the canon of a book that was mulled on to detail by the original author for months and months. Absolutely selfish creative anarchy. Not cool.

@hardfugoo1

4 жыл бұрын

I was actually relatively okay with the final product until I started seeing these quotes from the show runner. Jesus, really takes the piss doesn't she.

@gnitsaf

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm reading the books now without watching the series. I don't have netflix and they can miss me on this. changes from text to the screen are always necessary. The hendrix to poe for instance. That's understandable. But do make major plot changes like that... it's like fan fiction with a great budget. No amount of money can overcome the sloppy creative process resulting from changing other peoples work.

As a long time fan of the series I was fine with most of the changes (not so keen on them making Envoys quellist rebels) and thought that Ortega's subplots were a great addition. This continued right up till the ending, which (to me) felt so forced and contrived that I had to turn it off in disgust. The Lizzie saves the day bit and the way the pace of the story ground to a halt just so they could assemble all the players in head in the clouds was painfully bad writing and smacked of personal politics trumping good story-telling. You simply don't focus the audience's attention on a single character only to have another character appear out of left field to save the day in a Deus-Ex Machina. That's god awful plotting for a start and besides drags the viewers out of the experience.

@schristofersen

6 жыл бұрын

agree. I was enjoying the series up until the last episode or two at which point I was like... well they could have stretched that out into an entire season and made it work but... man it is forced and the pacing is completely frenetic and awful and the plots neatly tying together was super contrived. That said, I still feel excited that they made the show and some of the changes were really enjoyable.

@georginikolaev2104

6 жыл бұрын

Completely agree with you, brother (or sister)! Though i missed Sarah Sachilowska

@blainesavini3403

6 жыл бұрын

I agree pretty much with everything you said.

@lilandmestudios

6 жыл бұрын

The Envoys/Quellcrist part kind of annoyed me. How are they going to make the sequels when the second book revolves around an active UN battle. And the third book is all about what happened to Quellcrist Falconer xD

@Quotheraving

6 жыл бұрын

"The Lizzie thing was kind of obviously coming the second Poe started training her" It was obviously being set up from that moment, that doesn't make the outcome we saw either acceptable or dramatically inevitable. Your point though does raise an interesting issue, being that one can always find some excuse for self-evidently bad writing, in this case by invoking a general 'rule' for clear plotting. However there are more issues with this "Chekov's gun". Firstly it conflicts with the established logic of the world. Psychosurgery is supposed to be a science, a controlled reconstruction of the human psyche. This means that it is intended to make the psychologically unhinged into well balanced and sane humans. Well balanced humans are not generally omniscient homicidal revenge machines! If this apparently common technique had this result - even as an outlier - then logic demands that it not be used to cure civilians but to train killers - So where are all the omniscient killers waiting in virtuals to pounce? Secondly there are thematic problems as it's inherent message clashes with a core thematic point of the Kovaks books, being that in becoming an Envoy he became a sociopath and lost some important aspects of humanity along the way. Seeing a recovering Lizzie embracing and reveling in homicidal revenge sends the message that compassionate understanding and forgiveness is secondary to cold-blooded revenge. Kovaks is an anti-hero and we are not expected to forgive him his flaws, but Lizzie presents exactly the opposite of this. In Lizzie's case her behaviour is supposed to be a sign of a 'healthy' approach. It's a clear sign that the writer (in this case Laeta Kalogridis) confuses violence with self control.

making some super elite combat fighter suck until some mediocre women come around... I don't know. maybe write women that have a reason to be good enough at kicking ass to kick ass that an Envoy can't do.

@JaredM990

6 жыл бұрын

Eh it's not so much he was sucking, it's not that they saved him from a lost battle, and don't forget they had similar training, and it were more or less at a stalemate, Ortega and Lizzie simply tipped the scales.

@mgtowdadYouTubeSucksCoxks

6 жыл бұрын

It's forced feminism. It's pointless and ruins the feel of the show. Check out the books.

@RawbeardX

6 жыл бұрын

considering Quellism the "forced feminism" makes sense. but this is still a shitty adaptation. what they did to Sarah, Virginia and Nadia alone shits all over the material

I haven't read the book but it seems they've changed a lot of stuff. The book's idea of the envoys and Kovacs' past seems better. But Poe and the Bancroft family's extra sub-plot and scenes in the TV series seem better. What are Rei's motivations in the book? Given her motivations in the TV series, her actions in the end just make her look like another psychopathic villain.

@Eyedunno

6 жыл бұрын

Reileen runs Head in the Clouds, and she literally needs to get away with murder as part of how she runs her business, so it's imperative that Catholics don't get spun up, and she had to get Bancroft to exercise his sway with the UN. So pretty much the same as in the show, except that she's not Kovacs' sister, because that's stupid. Also, Miriam Bancroft didn't drug her husband; it was some random chick who worked at Psychasec that came out of left field at the very end of the book and sorta felt forced. While I didn't like how the book pulled characters out of nowhere, I preferred the moral ambiguity with respect to the Bancrofts. It keeps you guessing. They're still shitty people in the book, but compared to some other Meths, they're all right, and their comeuppance is mostly just to be told off by Kovacs, with the point being that yeah, they're not really villainous in the way Reileen is, but they still treat people (Kovacs, for instance) like pawns, which is still shitty.

The changes to Eileen's daughter and how she "saves" Kovac just shows that the producers just don't get how a gritty detective novel works. It is contrived and as a fan of the book I will not bother with this "adaption" of a great book.

@matthew4497

6 жыл бұрын

Having seen the series, I can say that it is worth watching. The "contrived" changes aren't terribly done, like the new Ghostbuster's. They are woven much better with the whole plot. Kovac is very tough, but not invulnerable. I think he is "assisted" more than "saved" by other characters. And most of the series feels like a gritty detective novel (minus the backstory episode, perhaps). It's not perfect, but it's much better than I expected.

@Irregular_John

6 жыл бұрын

r00st3r11 Well this Kalogridis woman wrote Terminator Genisys, so you can't really expect anything worthwhile from her.

@stinkingyeti

5 жыл бұрын

It seemed more to me like she saved her parents rather than kovacs and brought down the head in the clouds as some sort of revenge. I never got the impression she directly saved Kovacs.

Trepp comes in season 2 as a very different character to what you mentioned

Started reading the book, mid-series. It only muddied the waters! This video clears things up.

Poe was genius "Sir, I cannot presume guest prerogatives without payment. .. heeeere he comes"

Still a great show

I just... every show I’ve obsessed over..so have you! I love this channel so much!

Thanks for this. I've been re-listening to the book after watching the season to try and catch these but it was nice to see them all summed up.

The changes arn't all bad but they made too many 'save the day' moments with the same characters that it comes off as corny on the screen. I much perfer the randomness of the books.

@agrey2986

6 жыл бұрын

Well the context made up for it. If this was any other show that would had gotten too annoying and like a parody of some sorts. I like it when its believable like when Abboud save Ortega. It wasnt out of nowhere and the character development was there. But Rei jumping into the scene out of nowhere was a bit unrealistic.

@caralho5237

4 жыл бұрын

@@agrey2986 rei had everyone in her pockets, i'm not surprised

@GonzoTehGreat

3 жыл бұрын

The minor changes were clever but the major changes ruined the story in the books.

Honestly I distinctly remember a Hendrix stand-in in Wolfenstein: The New Order. That game was pretty fuckin' brutal.

the Quell being mashed into the love interest character was one of the weakest parts of this show, horrible decision t shoe horn her into a position where she didn't belong, she felt underdeveloped and out of place

I just started rewatching the show and forgot how awesomly heartbreaking and hilareous the whole Mikey/Abuela arc scene's are, also also that damn Michael Eklund beard is always a win.

Hahaha well done lucy oh that was hilarious ive heard of it but never read it thank you for this yet again 🙏

The only changes I wasn't a fan of was Quellcrist/envoy alterations and then the Deus Ex of Lizzie at the end. I did enjoy the Lizzie story overall. I didn't mind the Rey-Kovacs character dynamic shift, it added some weight. And I really liked the expansion o Ortega's character

I always hate when changes are made to a TV or big screen adaptation of a book I've read because many times, the changes made to the story seem like changes for the sake of change itself. It feels like the changes are made just to satisfy someone's whim and not because something doesn't translate well from book to TV show or movie. As someone who read the books first, I find it frustrating when changes are made to a story that's been adapted to the screen. Now I don't mind a change that has a logical reason behind it. For example, the change you explained about the re-naming of the hotel from Hendrix to Poe. That change actually makes sense, but the other other changes you covered in your video just seem like the executive producer/showrunner just decided to re-write Morgan's novel to something she would have preferred and that, in my opinion, is not cool. Considering the number and magnitude of changes to the Netflix version of “Altered Carbon” compared to the original book, I really wish you would have included a comment from the author about the changes to his work. I would love to have heard his opinions. Did Richard K. Morgan care at all about how the executive producer/showrunner re-wrote his novel or could he not care any less since Netflix probably paid handsomely for the rights to his work?

I came back here to compliment the presenter. Darn good job, miss. Style, pace, substance. Keep it up!

@frankemann9125

4 жыл бұрын

Shes obviously taken, you can zip up again.

Just finished reading the book I admire that Takeshi is much more of a killer in the books. When he massacres everyone in the wei clinic the book goes out of it's way to let you know he "real.deathed" everyone while in the show it was a fantastic scene you can assume some of them were resleeved into different bodies

i still want to read all the books they sound pretty cool... but i agree with this video... for the most part the changes they made seemed right.. and considering this is one of my top fav shows of netflix... hell of all time.... they did a great job... looking forward to season 2 and reading the books!

Excellent video really cool look at the directors thoughts I would not have seen otherwise

Your reading of the terrible sex scene was hilarious! Good job! Yes, I read the books, the science behind the plot was definitely interesting. Other than that I wasn't too invested in the story characters themselves.

I'm so sick of film directors/producers talking about how much they love the source material, but then go on to butcher the majority of the storylines and characters because it doesn't suit their "vision". Like, seriously, if you have a vision, go write your own stupid work and leave actual good novels alone to be adapted properly and with respect.

@LemonSte

5 жыл бұрын

in this case i think it was worth it. you can love a source material and still accept changes need to be made to make it enjoyable and watchable. I have watched this show like 5 times, i'd say it was a good gamble.

@navidsoleimani2848

4 жыл бұрын

@@LemonSte no

@Hayley-kp6wt

4 жыл бұрын

In this case, every change was an improvement.

@Andy-SwingDJ

4 жыл бұрын

Fully agree. Sometimes there are good reasons (like the Hendricks change) - but in the case of Quell, they changed everything about the character, her values, her ideology, removed everything that made her special, and turned her into a bit of a cliche. I'd probably have enjoyed this show if I'd not read and loved the books, but instead, I found it utterly infuriating.

@crypticjim

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hayley-kp6wt The fuck it was

First of all, I loved the show. Yes, it has some weak moments, and is not that dramatic as Expanse, but it is a solid SciFi meets Film Noir meets Detective Story. Any Sleeve of Takeshi Kovacs is interesting in his own way. I never got confused, while there were memento stories. As I have not read the books, it is quite hard for me deciding what is better. The original, or the tv adaptation. I for one enjoyed the changes mentioned here. My most deared plots were The Raven, Sister/Broter weird attachement and Quell as the Envoy leader. So, technically I liked the (changed) dynamics in the show. Abboud was also one of my favourites. Quite the kind, and spiritual man. Sad he's dead.

@angelrivera2339

6 жыл бұрын

reading the book would have led to you having unrealistic expectations for the show. When you read, you build a show in your head. A tv show has to please a large audience and some scenes in books would never be made because a lot of the audience would not watch it. The people that control the show is not the creators but the producers who pay people to make the show. If they think that something will create so much controversy that people would boycott the show, they loose money.

This is just what I needed, after reading the book! Having watched the show 2 years ago, it really made me think hard about the Vidaura/Quell character in the book and from what I could remember. Apparently they changed A LOT in the show, although it made reading the novel more interesting! Can't wait for what's in store in Season 2!

For me lizzie's storyline was the worst and the flashbacks with quell were the best

@MMmm-bg9li

5 жыл бұрын

tanya love for me those two were my least favorite parts

@kaizouttv

5 жыл бұрын

tanya love I’m really hoping they make the whole rebel plot line becomes a show

@LemonSte

5 жыл бұрын

i thought lizzies story with Miriam was more interesting, i didn't like her character overall because she was very pretentious and her weird bdsm outfit seemed a very odd choice lol

@TheNecropolis20

4 жыл бұрын

Season 2 of Altered Carbon is out since February 27. we can continue watching it and seeing what happens next with Takashi Kovacs .

After completely railroading the ending in the first season and making such big departures from the original characters of the book I don't even want to watch the second season after that

Did you read Altered Carbon before watching the show?

@thecamelsback8614

6 жыл бұрын

Lame!

@sp3ctum

6 жыл бұрын

Read all the books and was pleased to find a show. I didn't even know it was being made. I agree with your points in this video. Most changes we're good but I didn't like new Quell character or Takeshi's sister. I was hoping to see time dilation between the virtual and real being played with, but it was only very briefly mentioned. If the series continues to be made, I hope they incorporate that, since the second book has a cool play on it. Also I felt like the stacks of the fallen Envoys thing they used to reconstruct the Rawling virus was a nod to the soul market in the second book, which was cool. What do you think about the nudity in the series? I think it was very well used in fight scene between Ortega and Rei. It makes total sense for clone sleeves to be nude. But otherwise nudity was used a bit too often, and I felt it was becoming a gimmick kind of.

@csiebertarq

6 жыл бұрын

I read the first book before watching the show, and I enjoyed both. The changes helped me keep interested in the show. I just wish the violence scenes weren't so graphic. The abuela scene was anthologic. The Raven/Poe was an interesting development, a better use of the A.I.. Rei the sister made more sense than Rei in the book, her connection to Tak and her motivation were clearer and stronger. An interesting aspect of the adaptation is the distorted images of the virtual environments and memories replacing the italics in the book. Also, when we hear Tak's voice as a narrator in the series, we hear different actors. In the book, without the audio resource, the autor used hints like the scar or the urge to smoke so we knew when it was Tak in Ryker's sleeve speaking.

@harlankovacs6276

6 жыл бұрын

yes ,it's my favorite book for 10 years. (with the change on the end of quell in the series, season 3 will not have anything in common with volume 3,no ?)

@kensummers7757

6 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the show, they obviously spent a ton of money on it, but preferred the books. I liked the Poe AI character, but all the other changes were to drive modern social agendas rather than to improve the story.

Glad I didn't read the books because I would be pissed at the number of changes.

This is one of the rare occasions where the show was better than the book. Looking forward to season 2!

The best way to handle the torture scene for TV was to have him be tortured as both a man and a woman... so that he'd experience what it's like to be tortured as both, maximizing what the torturer was trying to do, satisfying both TV and the book scenes, and making the scene overwhelmingly compelling.

"And then...the motion" Lol wow!

7:25 - other characters What song is that? Anyone know?

It has been a very long time since I read the book, so it seemed like they hit most of the important bits I remembered. I think I like most of the changes, but I'm definitely going to put the book back at the top of my reading queue...

What I think is funny/weird is that I mentioned yesterday on Facebook that I had just finished watching this and now these segments are coming up on my KZread feed

Ok it's really earwigging me. Where is the music at 6:32 from because I know I've heard it before and for the life of me I can't think where. Oh and we need more of Lucy reading crap sex scenes please.

@EndieM8

4 жыл бұрын

iirc its in the scene in heavy rain where the reporter chick has to strip for that club owner guy

It's been ten years since I read the book, but weren't Envoys special soliders made by the Protectorate to shut down groups like the Quellists. And weren't the Quellists only a small opposition to the meths on Harlands world? maybe I remember it wrong, but I think they screwed up the whole Envoy thing quite severely.. correct me if I'm wrong..

@ChibiViolin

6 жыл бұрын

reggyriot You're not wrong and it destroyed the show for me.

@reggyriot

6 жыл бұрын

It's sad they didn't use the story in the book. It is a great story and shouldn't be too hard to translate to screen. But i guess it's as difficult for an old woman to interpret a young male sci-fi writers story, as it is for a forty year old man to interpret a story written by a fourteen year old girl... it's not possible... Hopefully they make some adjustments for the next season, and maybe hire some new writers, who can tweak it back to a good story

@agrey2986

6 жыл бұрын

reggyriot I think they were trying to make it more marketable though, I enjoy it but never read the book. Its on Netflix so obviously its not really targeted to any audience in particular. I think it hit as many audiences as it could get. Its best to keep that in mind when youre spending millions of dollars and failure could mean disaster for Netflix as a whole. If this was a recently released book and highly successful and well known... sticking more to the original would make more sense. But too many people dont know the original. At least it gives this book a voice. And in 30 years from now a remake or film will be made inspired by this, by those who learn about it by the series then bought the book. Its been done before.

@dj1NM3

4 жыл бұрын

I haven't read the books, but yes, I noticed that in (maybe) the second episode of season one. The CTAC Praetorians are described as "Envoys" initially and then the Quellist resistance pops up and also calls it's own members "Envoys". Takeshi Kovacs couldn't be The Last Envoy, simply because the CTAC Praetorian Envoy unit is operational until the very last episode of the second season and it's a bit bizarre how Governor Harlan rants about Kovacs being 'the last envoy" when she's doing it to Captain Jaeger, who is in fact a Praetorian Envoy. If the whole schtick was "last of the Quellists" as his stack was the only one so far spun up and resleeved, from hundreds of years after the virus attack on the Quellist base of Stronghold, then it would have made a lot more sense.

I liked Quell in the show, even though it changed so much. It’s been a while since I’ve read the book and while I did love the book, I think I’m starting to prefer the show. Because the book was kind of hard for me to get through lol. The sex scenes were atrocious, yes, but it just lagged a lot for me.

I'm fine with the changes and I liked the show. Nice to see a nice Cyberpunk series pop up on screen.

In the show there was a weird sexual tension between Rei and Kovacs, it makes so much more sense they were no siblings in the book. Great vid!

I liked all of the changes. The actress who plays Quell has a solid performance. I agree that the last episodes are kinda mehh but all around this show was very very good. I really want a season 2.

The Quell/Virginia/Sarah/Envoys change was probably my least favorite... With Reileen/Trep being the other one... Trep was a fun character, and it would have been awesome seeing Asian Takeshi slaughter his way through Head in the Clouds...

The storyline for the show works so much better as a show that's very clear. But both are great imo

I absolutely love the book. I've only seen ep1 so far, but I'm pretty happy. My recent disappointment with the Dark Tower adaption has left me scarred.

Thank you! Explained everything so I dont have to read the book. Just finished the series and thought to check what was different from the boom. I would also like to state that dont watch that many series only those that people recomend or I find interesting. Now for the person who is more interested in more deep, dramatic, thrill and moral endings-plots of movies/series I find this series to be mediocre. The quality of the production is perfect, the actors did amazing job for playing the characters, video, animation and all the graphic content was stunning the atmosphere felt great. But the plot itself was very shallow, the idea was great it had great potential but instead nothing made me to sympathize or feel any of the characters in the end. Some of the dialogs especially towards the end felt like they were not necessary and dull. Feels like it was rushed to get over with. Nevertheless I would still recomend the series to see what other people have to say about it, and if it was in a theatre I would applaud for the actors and ask some more questions the producers. Thanks for the video, everything was on point and the puzzle pieces were put together keep making good content. Sorry for the wall of text.

About 95% of the time, I read the book before I see the movie. I prefer books to movies so a good book is never spoiled. And, it is up to the movie producer to make a story you know compelling. I watched and didn't like Altered Carbon because (a) unnecessarily violent; horribly violent (b) remarkably bad script at times (c) acting sub-par too often (d) character motivation questionable... and more. I was thinking of tackling the book to see if some of this is corrected and to some degree it is. But, I can't get past Lucy's reading from the sex scenes. God, nothing about this story could make me want to endure that garbage. Thanks Lucy; great video.

All the changes really worked for me.

Couple of the changes were good but most of them were the weakest part of the show, they dragged on and felt convoluted. That book is considered top 100 Sci Fi ever written, as a average tv writer you should not fuck with it's stories to much until you have the same accolades.

the show was way better than the book, the first season at least. Making reileen kawahara into kovacs sister gave the story an emotional depth that the book doesn't have and makes the characters a lot more relatable and empathic.

That part about torture was hilariously inaccurate.

This is why the show starts off good and then doesn't get better, it just stays average at best. The story flows better in the book. Hopefully, with season two they won't have this problem since they don't seem to be following the books.

I thought Poe looked alot like Reince Preibus. Now when I look at Reince Preibus, I get a warm fuzzy feeling and I FUCKING HATE IT. I love this show though.

I must say that I really enjoyed the altered Carbon S1, the books were great, but this version just worked on television. The book was hard too imagine in live action. I loved Lizzie and her journey, but I didn’t like the emphasis from the director that women saved the day. I just like not necessary. I liked the powerful female leads, but was the emphasis really necessary?

Thank you for clarifying things so thoroughly. Being three quarters through the first book I personally prefer the more streamlined approach the show takes on some of the characters.

I would say they changed it for good.Have not read the book, but finished the 1 season yesterday.

So glad to be reading the books instead of watching the show

@scubadoobiedoo2190

4 жыл бұрын

@Haloking 4558 lol, nailed it.

@scubadoobiedoo2190

4 жыл бұрын

@@lordhokage7th I enjoy the audio books, I can listen anywhere. Deff skip the sex scenes if you do. Lmao

Now I know why that Rebel plot and the family feud was so awkwardly displaced from the rest. Would've loved to see the original plot in most regards; guess I'll have to read the book now - still, the Raven was really classy. :D

I much prefer poe as the hotel. I wish it was in the books because I love that quirky bastard

True, Kovacs wouldn't have won without Lizzie, but Lizzie wouldn't have been there hadn't Kovacs went beyond what was necessary to make her cope her trauma, by giving her the best care via poe (which he wouldn't have needed to, to get the cooperation by her hacker mum). So, the better truth is, kovacs won because they helped each other. It's a team effort, won by both, its not 'either' Kovacs 'or' Lizzie. :)

Yeaaaaaah I loved both. The Show was awesome in its own rite and the book is amazing.

Hoping for a season 2

Tbh the love story between kovacs and quell is why I kept watching

Had high expectations for this series but the changes, simply put, were made to appeal the most public and in general the final result is a dumbed down product.

Just like every media interpretation of anarchism they have to either change it or wipe it out. Quellism strikes me as Social Liberation or Social Anarchism and as such most people don’t inherently get it as a philosophy.

I'm so glad you went over this. So far it seems i prefer the show to the books. I absolutely LOVE this show and can't wait for season 2

I'm still waiting for season two on netflix

elusive globes!

Jeezzzz... The last change was because he wouldn't have won if it weren't for a woman saving him... *Facepalm*

@rayyanali4471

5 жыл бұрын

Well at a point in the actual story he does get saved by a badass woman who sadly didn't make it to the show and was replaced by a weird Asian guy.

This seems to have a lot of parallels with the matrix. Consciousness in and out from VR, the Agent, the bug.

Can we take a moment to appreciate the fact that Quellcrist Falconer's actress, Renee Goldsberry is 47 years old? Talk about baby skin!

@TheCorey525

4 жыл бұрын

Team Celine black don’t crack 🤷‍♂️

Best sci-fi I've seen in a good while! Absolutely brilliant going to give it a week or two and watch it again 😊

the book is out of date but still a good read but the show really the showed the potential of this beautiful universe. imo they need to do more altered carbon things

The book was better overall. Laeta Kalogridis thought she could improve on it, but she was wrong! Season 1 was started great because the changes were either minor improvements or didn't impact the story but Episode 7 was where it all fell apart.

@joeconnor1821

3 жыл бұрын

Are there less black people? the show has way too many and it comes off as pandering to minorities.

@GonzoTehGreat

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeconnor1821 I don't recall the novel mentioning race creed or color much at all, except to imply that most people are mixed race, due to more racial mixing in the off-world colonies of AC's dystopian future. Hence, I do think the show should also have a mixed race cast to properly represent this future society. Unfortunately, Hollywood usually only plays lip service to this by casting black actors while ignoring asians, but in this case they couldn't get away with doing that for the flash-back scenes, because the inhabitants of the main character's homeworld are mixed race asian!

I read the book right before watching the show. It's one of the very rare times that I've liked a tv adaptation better than the book. I really liked seeing characters like Ortega and the Bancrofts fleshed out a little more, loved Joel Kinnaman as Kovacs-in-Ryker's-sleeve, loved Elliot's part being expanded, and I simply adored Poe. I didn't even mind Rei being written as Kovacs' sister because tv Rei's motivation for getting Bancroft to pick Kovacs makes more sense than book Rei's reasons. The only change that I didn't like is the whole backstory with Quell. Frankly, I didn't care much about her or her history with Kovacs. What we got in the book was enough for me. When I rewatch the show I plan to just fast-forward through most of those flashbacks. Overall though a great show.

I listened to book on audible after I watched the show lol

quite a good summary of why I stopped watching the show, but still love the books and btw: for some reason in the german the sex-scenes are not that badly written... seems like the translator really did some work there ^^ but now coming to think of it after watching this: its really more a decision between book and film in general rather then this particular show - there is just some topics where its easier to bring them across clearly in book form, that doesn't work in film.

I loved the world of the show (I'm a newbie, haven't read the books YET) but I thought the story was dumb. Now I see why.

I love hotal The raven.

If Rei isn't Tak's sister, what is their connection? Is she still responsible for getting him put into the Ryker sleeve and working for Bancroft?

Great vid, but honestly Kovacs could do anything on his own

I was actually bummed with the changes. And... if I am being honest, I’m surprised that Mr. Morgan let it happen. Don’t get me wrong... the series has its sea legs, I’ll give it that, and it stands quite well on its own; I am a bit of a purist though, and I think the story in the book is tight enough and written well enough to stand of its own as well. So... yeah. Jmho

*Seeing as had never heard of the book atil now ... i don’t know why am here*

"And then the motion" ok im wet now.