Heard it somewhere: Blood Origin's plot is basically every newbie GM's first attempt at running a homebrew campaign. 7 adventurers of different classes going on an epic quest to stop an evil wizard from opening a portal to another dimension, running into side quests and wacky shenanigans along the way. You can't tell a more generic fantasy story if you tried.

@sidnusmagnus3144

Жыл бұрын

And 3 on 4 of this GM has do better.

@MrMoros1

Жыл бұрын

You might not find something more generic, but it says a LOT that am amateur GM can probably tell the story better than this literal shit-show maybe 7 out of 10 times.

@gottfriedosterbach3907

Жыл бұрын

The GM that cannot do better than this will be the GM rethinking whether the role is meant for them even if it is their first time.

@justinhammer3196

Жыл бұрын

Well... have you watched the Willow shiw on Disney+ ?

@MrMoros1

Жыл бұрын

@@justinhammer3196 OHMYGOD! Please don't bring that dumpster fire up, we're losing faith in human creativity and storytelling as it is.

What’s insane to me is that it’s not even the Witcher. It’s just some dudes DND campaign.

It was the endless narration that amazed me. It was intrusive and basically an ongoing admission of defeat. They couldn’t tell the story any other way.

@shanetaylor761

Жыл бұрын

Well you cut as many episodes as they had to and this is what you get.

@into_play3226

Жыл бұрын

Even the narration was often just explaining obvious things. “And two became three.”

@TheMamaluigi300

Жыл бұрын

@@into_play3226Man, the narrator from Peppa Pig really branched out these days

@haroldb1856

Жыл бұрын

Tell, don't show.

@Trowarr

Жыл бұрын

Too much narration = could as well read a book with illustrations.

Avalach and Eredin are pretty big names in the world of the witcher franchise. The former is one of the most powerful magic users in the entire franchise. A wise sage with questionable morality and a desperate need to protect the Elder Blood at all costs as it's not only sacred, but those that carry it are also decendant of his lover that he lost. The latter the the imposing king of the wild hunt. An elite cavalcade of riders that travel travel to the world of the witcher to take slaves to their world. With his world threaten, Eredin was desperate to use the Elder Blood to open a portal into the world of the witcher and conquer it. Netflix butchered both characters.

@shibbycakes1

Жыл бұрын

THIS THANK YOU!! they made avallac’h some sniveling little coward with barely and control over magic, and while i personally felt that eredin’s storyline with the merchant dude added some humanity to a character that really needed it, bottom line they failed to make him the imposing conquerer he is. not to mention EVERYTHING ELSE WRONG WITH IT ALL! hissrich and her team deserve to lose their jobs.

@NymbusCumulo928

Жыл бұрын

@@shibbycakes1 they also made them gay lovers I can see why Henry bailed

@Olebull93

Жыл бұрын

According to Henry Cavill the shows writers resents the source material and openly mocks it.

@brennangum6236

Жыл бұрын

@@Olebull93 Well I guess at least they give us something to resent and openly mock.

@user-qj9en1kp1m

Жыл бұрын

I haven't read the books that feature Eredin or Avallac'h yet, but in the game they are tall, imposing, intimidating characters. I really have nothing against the actors portraying them but they are painfully miscast.

Something that's often mentioned in writing seminars and boot camps: if the plot you want to tell is "simple," you have to make up for it in execution. Even a character buying tomatoes at the market stall can become an interesting scene with good dialogue and setup.

@StephenGillie

Жыл бұрын

Farscape literally did this - while getting (crackers) on a trade planet, they attract Peacekeeper attention and have to run - with a pallet of crackers and no other food, causing conflict over the relative lack of food.

@jesustyronechrist2330

Жыл бұрын

Unironically the "Potion seller" meme is a great example of this.

- How did he escape? - By being off screen...of course.

Why are studios having such issues with fantasy stories these days? Amazon and Netflix keep shitting the bed!

@haroldb1856

Жыл бұрын

My theory is that there are very few people in the Hollywood hierarchy who grew up appreciating fantasy books and media, and the culture around it. The whole genre is foreign to them. Studio executives were the cool kids who focused on shallow popular culture, who didn't read books, who could never immerse themselves in a fantasy world. They mocked and bullied the people who cared about fantasy stories. They still do.

@ilove2learn783

Жыл бұрын

Because they want to force you to say "she" to the man with a penis. Because women are "strong" and "independent". And a lot of other lies that are just that - lies and have no scientific backup.

@stevewhite6241

Жыл бұрын

Only HOTD succeeded.

@MultiKeto

Жыл бұрын

hollywood actually sees people that like the material as a red flag. they hired people that don't like the witcher on purpose.

@thespanishinquisition4078

Жыл бұрын

That is simple to answer, really. The reason is forced representation. And please do note I added the term FORCED for a reason. There's nothing wrong in theory with representing ethnic groups, cultures, etc... IN. THEORY. But in practice, it is really easy to screw up, specially with fantasy. Modern writers of the kind hired by Hollywood, Netflix or Amazon have an obsession to, in their own words: "REFLECT OUR MODERN REALITY." Forced Diversity is just one symptom of this mentality, where they simply MUST make every people in every place in every age have about the same ethnic composition as the bay area in california today. And you can say "race doesn't mean skill" or anything to that effect to justify the inclusion of actors of certain ethnicitied. But I'm sorry, no, that's bollocks. You wouldn't have a morbidly obese white man play a kunoichi in a period piece about the sengoku jidai even if he was the best damned actor you could possibly imagine. He just won't fit! Skill isn't enough. As racist as it may sound, ethnicity matters too. For example lets see the rings of power, and for this example lets take out the baggage of being LoTR, lets act as if Tolkien had nothing to do with it and RoP was purely its own thing with no books. And lets say we wanted to maximize diversity. Well, then Numenor would be our prime candidate, it is a very large very rich coastal city of a primarily mercantile seafaring culture, you would expect people from literally all over the place in there. Look at late medieval Cadiz for instance, it was a veritable melting pot for its age. Meanwhile, say, the Harfoots would probably all have the same ethnicity, because they are a completely isolationist rural landlocked culture. They don't breed with outsiders and are extremely unlikely to even interact with them, so they'll probably look extremely similar to each other. The elves would also likely be somewhat homogeneous, given how rare it is for them to marry with other peoples, while the humans in the southerlands are literally the result of a massive refugee wave from a continent spanning war, so they actually should look like USA or mexico in terms of diversity. And yet in the series it is the humans that are all british, and Numenor is relatively homogeneous, while elves and harfoots are both somehow multiethnic. That simply makes no sense. Hence why I say FORCED Representation. Inclusion can work, I'd love to see a good inclusive piece, but you need to be really good to make it work. And my point is way broader than skintone, that's just the most obvious visual indicator. Lets for a second talk politics... I swear I won't get political myself. See, I hope everyone has noticed, but... Most writers working for these circles are left wingers. And there's nothing wrong with being left wing. I am a left winger myself! BUT. If you're obsessed with "representing modern realities" you don't unmarry your writing from your politics. And a lesser known fact is: FANTASY IS AN INHERENTLY RIGHT WING LEANING GENRE. It is! I'm serious! Fantasy requires you accept certain tropes. Like feudalism, given its almost always set in the middle ages. Like racism, given the biological differences between elves, orks, dwarves, etc. are way more pronounced than those between any two given humans no matter how remote or isolated their culture. Etc, etc, etc. Fantasy depicts a world with at least some inherent right wing traits attached, and there's really nothing you can do about it. And if you, like me, can separate real world politics from fantasy worlds with bleeping dragons, then that's not gonna be an issue for you. But if you're like your average hollywood writer... That's gonna trigger you, deeply. And the fact most successful fantasy franchises have cis white straight old men as their authors just adds fuel to that in their eyes. It's literally everything they have sworn to take down, subvert, defeat, and dunk on rolled into a single genre. And so we see the other cardinal sin of these writers. Lack of respect. Note how even the press noted that writers were mocking the books and ranting about them even while adapting them during Blood Origin. I know we all have the mental image of the poor exploited writer being puppeted by megacorps, but that has long since stopped being reality. Oh don't get me wrong they're still paid scraps. But nepotism has long since taken hold, they don't just hire anyone, there's ingroups and actual discrimination at play here. That's why they are so heavily skewed in many demographic ways. Amongst other things as many pointed out they've by now actually come out and admited they consider liking the source material a red flag and pushes for sticking to the book are met with open derision and ostracism. And the issue with that kinda people is even when they're the literal bottom of the food chain, their ego is the size of jupiter. They don't think blood origin is bad, they think YOU are bad for not liking it. They'll never admit fantasy can be good despite being somewhat right wing, it either fits their view of the world, or is evil, period. And they sure as shit won't ever admit they screwed up. And when you have someone with no respect for the source material, open hatred for the genre, no self awareness and someone who on top of that discriminates against the target audience... Well that's gonna be a shit product innit. So why do they all suck? It's all the same people, with the same practices, in the same environment, and their view is antithetical to the genre. That's why.

20% isn't that much better than 13%... honestly I think it got that low score because what happened in the Witcher is becoming a pattern, and people are getting sick of show writers ignoring and deleting history and lore and existing culture in pre-existing material to insert their own modern day narrative and still calling it that pre-existing material, when it's not... if they would have called the show anything but a pre-existing franchise, it might have gotten 20% instead of 13%

@APhillaTHun

Жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@TheDman182

Жыл бұрын

Seriously couldn’t have said it better

@TheTalesOfMasculus

Жыл бұрын

I agree as well. I would love to know if you think my story has potential. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aGV_zpttaZWocrA.html Please let me know what you think of The Tales Of Masculus!

@ninebrains4769

Жыл бұрын

No, I’m very glad the writers of the Boys did it.

@userAsiral

Жыл бұрын

@@ninebrains4769 Yeah true , with the boys is a another story , but then again the original comics were just about someone's pure hatred (who made em) of superheroes-

This show is all over the place and I legit feel sorry for the actors and many other people who worked on this show. So many lines, moments miss the mark and instead of being dramatic or poignant they come off as forced, cringey or funny. One of the most unintentionally funny moments was when the Empress dies and asks her people to remember her. This, I assume was supposed to be a "she did bad things for the right reasons, she was misguided but had good intentions and as she is dying she hopes that people will see the good in her" moment, bittersweet and earned. But because of the pacing of the show it comes off really silly, because she was Empress for like a week before she died. She might have been Empress for 5 years, but since we can't really tell how much time has passed,it is just confusing. The elves whom she has been talking to probably don't even know who she is supposed to be.

@gabriellebeauchemin9953

Жыл бұрын

I actually viewed it in a totally different way. I saw it as her attempting at being brave and noble, but I felt that at least for her arc the show had outlined it decently well enough to show how even though her dreams were based in something that she felt was real and tangible, she was still a spoiled princess whose 'history' was uninformed and unrealistic. I felt like her death was actually kind of cathartic because it took the oomph out of the way that colonial powers are often portrayed in pieces like this. Her story deserved an end so devoid of power and triumph, and though I agree with many of the other criticisms, it felt good to see her be shown as such a true withering coward at the very end.

@user-qj9en1kp1m

Жыл бұрын

@@gabriellebeauchemin9953 It is one way of looking at it. It is open to interpretation but most story archs in this show are all over the place. Some moments come out of nowhere or are logically flawed. Like how the two mages are confident that merging Fjall with the monster heart will work as if they do this every day, though their conversation also implies that the only time they tried something similar it did not work. And Fjall, the proto-witcher defeats the monster in the end by throwing a big blade at it a tad harder, even though when it first attacked it was shown that the monster was impervious to arrows and most people who tried to use their swords were evaporated in a second. I feel sorry for the actors because they are trying and they deserved a better story.

They added Eredin and Avallac'h just so they can loosely tie it into the main show. Which is not only lazy, but doesn't make sense in the context of the source material at all. Literally why is Avallac'h a little wimp?

@ffmmain8673

Жыл бұрын

Because they hate men and are LGBT people that write the scripts

@zesky6654

Жыл бұрын

Because the story is happening hundreds of years in the past. Avallac'h is basically a child in this series.

@ffmmain8673

Жыл бұрын

@@zesky6654 no its because they hate men and make men look weak and insecure

@dovalayn

Жыл бұрын

@@zesky6654 hes not even from the same race of elves as the rest of the cast and shouldn’t be there, and neither should eredin

Just want to mention that I truly appreciate finding a review for this series that does not throw the word "woke" left and right every five minutes 😅

@scotiasweetie1647

Жыл бұрын

100%.

@lorenzomeulli750

Жыл бұрын

I fucking wish we could have discussions about stuff like Blood Origin and Rings of Power as part of the fantasy genre and not as "TV series". It's so goddamn annoying to have these remnants of "ANTI SJW" bs still poisoning discussions. I fucking hated this thing (and stopped watching, fuck Netflix) and won't give a view to RoP 2e for the experience itself/writing and the role the play in the business model of these companies, I don't give a damn if some WASP dude is angry about it for his own political discourse.

@flynnlea

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the show was just badly written. There’s plenty of “woke” shows out there that are amazing. Good Omens for example. Honestly the part of the show that i enjoyed the most was with the dwarf avenging her girlfriend. It was actually interesting and i wanted to figure out what was going on with her. Just a shame that she had nothing to do with the actual story lol. As soon as she joined up with the rest of them with no character justification it became boring and predictable again. I hate when people blame a show’s downfall on “woke” stuff when it’s just lazy writers shoving in boring characters to meet diversity quotas required by corporate executives

@sue8412

Жыл бұрын

@@flynnlea so true. So many amazing stories were considered ‘woke’ in their day, and having diversity isn’t bad. But it IS bad when they shoehorn it in, change characters to gain some inclusion tokens, and make it their only traits and ignore storytelling. It’s annoying that Hollywood seems to only make ‘woke’ stories by taking an existing, beloved classic and completely butchering it. Can’t they just make some original, ‘diverse’ characters and genuine stories and not offend literally everyone along the way? Probably not, cuz of all the out-of-touch, ‘well-intentioned’, holier-than-thou people in Hollywood.

@ijwd424

Жыл бұрын

This. As soon as I watch a review that throws in the word "woke" 100 times in just the first few minutes, I check out. A lot of youtubers parrot the same tiring agenda for 30 minutes while not even talking about the show itself. Yeah the show is "woke" but what exactly is wrong with it? Is it badly written? Are the actors garbage? Is the dialogue trash? What about the timeline? If you want to film a 25 minute rant, call it a rant and not an actual review

That swearing thing has become so jarring when it’s done purely for the sake of being edgy

@scotiasweetie1647

Жыл бұрын

It was so desperate and weird in BO. It genuinely feels more like a parody.

@Dilligff

Жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of Tarantino who actually understands how to use swearing in the context of character, situation and/or setting and makes it sound natural. This, however, comes off as a seven year old who's learned a new swear word and is trying to impress their friends.

@onceyouseeityoucantunseeit1126

Жыл бұрын

even more for everyone non-american as swearing on television is very common.

It's so suprsing and so refreshing to see someone who isn't extremely negative sensational rant about media. Already gained my sub

I really feel bad for Liam, he is gonna get shit for this, no matter how good he might be at it. Poor choice to take this role...

@Michal235

Жыл бұрын

Money.

The elves were basically humans with pointy ears, how terrible can you be in world building when you have a great source material to draw from/adapt?

They could have waited with blood origin until Regis was introduced in the Witcher show, making Regis tell the story instead. Because of the obvious reason that he and his kind came through the conjunction.. They could have also told the love story about ciris ancestors - also told a bit in first episode in Witcher 2 Two fantastic ideas here already served on silver platter But what do I know, I’m just a toxic Witcher fan

@varthaner4617

Жыл бұрын

The show was doomed as soon as some corpo decided the premise. In the books Conjunction of Spheres just happened. It's not exactly one throwaway line, but close. Same with creation of Witchers - because of CoS there were alot monsters, that means a niche formed, and creation of witchers filled it. Sapkowski invested no effort whatsoever fleshing those out. If people involved had even shred of competence, they would have chosen another story to be a prequel. The fall of Kaer Moren had potential close to GoT's best, or if they wanted less action and more talk, the story of Lara Doren and how exactly she ended up eloping and dying in a ditch (~). If they wanted something epic and expensive, they could go with first invasion and have Vilgerfortz and Lodge as MCs, or show first contact between elves and humans, the friendship that led to betrayal and war. It's like they thought GoT S8 was the best thing ever and decided to emulate it.

@dillontharp1602

Жыл бұрын

That would’ve been great😢

@NgaBalkan

Жыл бұрын

@@varthaner4617 so many great options and lost opportunities.. it’s saddening

@flynnlea

Жыл бұрын

@@varthaner4617 if they’d chosen to cover Lara Dorren’s story they would have been able to introduce Avallach as well, which achieves the same goal. They could even have introduced Eredin at the same time if they moved a couple of minor things around, explain why he wants the elder blood (which connects back to the main series really well bc they teased the wild hunt at the end of season 2). They could even have used the conjunction of the spheres as a starting off point instead of a finale, which would introduce it as an important event for people watching the show that don’t know the books or games but without fucking the lore up entirely with monoliths and shit. They could have set up the existence of the Aen Elle and Aen Seidhe by saying that the conjunction was the reason they were split apart (i know that’s not book accurate, but i think that simplifying it for the show would probably work well). Then after that they could jump forwards in time to Lara, Avallach and Lod. They would even still get to introduce Ithlinne and the prophecy.

@ls9660

Жыл бұрын

I don't want the Netflix version to even get to Regis. I DONT WANT TO SEE HOW THEY BUTCHER MY BOY

The princess turned empress had a bedroom that looked like it was missing a flat screen TV.

Hahahaha Love that you included Viva La Dirt League's "Witcher Logic" footage in this.

@Ingridfire

Жыл бұрын

I was gonna comment the same!! No one would tell the difference anyway 🤣🤣🤣

@abrahamacevedo5302

Жыл бұрын

Came to the comments looking for this XD

I tried watching the first episode and I was left dumbfounded at how this script made it to production. You had a stellar cast who was left putting this together the best that they could. This just solidifies my thought that Cavill was exactly right to separate himself from this.

@RickReasonnz

Жыл бұрын

I did like the cast. I think they did the best they could do... but that's about all you can give it.

@evobe

Жыл бұрын

you can't tell me these scripts weren't written by ChatGPT or something like that

@tygressblade

Жыл бұрын

@@evobe It shows that it was.

@brennangum6236

Жыл бұрын

Ill tell you how... The writer and producer are very woke and tick a bunch of boxes. Their level of competence, talent, and vision don't matter. Netflix and Amazon both have this issue of not actually looking for quality showrunners and in return 95% of the stuff they put out suck. It's why I cancelled Netflix lol.

@tygressblade

Жыл бұрын

@@brennangum6236 Don’t let them off easy by blaming their political beliefs. They suck as writers. If you suck at storytelling then you suck at storytelling.

Netflix will only order a 2nd season if it gets squid games huge and that’s such a big problem they have as a network. They’ll cancel every actual good show that only has one season to replace it over and over until they find their new diamond jewel. They ruin almost everything they touch and I can’t wait until they’re forced to choose consumers over their share holders.

My issue is that 1,200 years separate the two series'. Even set in a fictional land, its hard to argue that society/civilization has not changed much in terms of technology/life.

@adronius147

Жыл бұрын

Not at all. Technological advancement is not inevitable, it's perfectly plausible that a society would stay stagnant for extended periods of time, even thousands of years, if nothing stimulated it to innovate. There have been much longer periods on Earth since the birth of civilization that saw little to no change in the way people lived. It's only a very recent development that people look to the future with expectations of progress and significant change.

Honestly this feels like right way to do criticism. Yes you couldn't give it high praise but you went about it in a reasonable rational way of explaining how it failed in the mechanics rather than the angry rants I see too often where people seem to be pushing an agenda rather providing a fair review.

@pramabanerjee2767

Жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct...

@EJD339

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Tbh, I thought people were overreacting because people always do that because they think it’s like some political agenda. But then I saw the show and it sucked but some of peoples reason why it sucked were silly to me.

@jaceksudol8301

Жыл бұрын

it's the show that's pushes agenda. People get angry when something they like (Witcher, it's world and lore) is butchered by arrogant showrunners and talentless, lazy writers. Anger isn't conductive for methodical disection of this abomination, true, and yet it is completly justified. Author of this flick is calm and criticises the show on techincal merit only, not adressing the assasination of original characters and desecration of original world, because, as he admits he is very Normie, a guy whose whole knowlage of the Witcher comprises of two seasons of the Netflix show, in itself a travesty of source material and woke agenda driven crap. He is simply not invested in the Witcher universe so he sees no sin, and feels no anger. Good for him, but that doesn't make Netflix's treatment of Witcher any better. If you still don't get it imagine a show that takes something you love, some sort of book or previously well told story that you really like and twists it to the point that what's left doesn't bear any resamblance to the source. You know the original and all you can see is a brutaly disfigured caricature of it still bearing falsely the proud name of the character, or strory you liked but it is not it. Would you be pleased?

@channelsofash

Жыл бұрын

@@jaceksudol8301 source material is nice. I've got boxes and boxes of comic books to say yea I can get into source material as much as any fan. But ultimately change is good if it's done well. TMNT 2012 changes things up but those changes give a chance to tell some interesting new stories instead of retread the good old stuff. Left, right, I just want to be entertained when it comes down to it. I could care less who the producer voted last election as long as the end production is a great bit of entertainment.

@Michal235

Жыл бұрын

@@channelsofash what do you mean by pushing an agenda? These angry ranters are saying that pushing an agenda by Netflix is one of the reasons they butchered the show, it's not an agenda. If it is then you are just pushing an agenda that the angry ranters are just pushing an agenda that Netflix is just pushing its agenda. Don't misuse this word. Although I agree that just angrily attacking this shitshow (even if it's fully justified) isn't interesting to watch at all. As a person with solid books knowledge I expect the youtuber to have it too and actively refer to the source material instead of just laughing.

If Netflix keeps doing this, HBO will be in no need to spend any more money on advertising

the fact that merwin (or whatever her name was lmao) is always clothed in iris van herpen rlly irked me too, it kinda ruins the suspension of reality by linking the characters to modern brands and putting them in modern clothing

@swe3tpeach

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!! I thought the very same thing when watching!

@christicat221b

Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it, but thats just because I'm a mega fan of iris van herpen. But you are definitely right about it breaking immersion.

@MissMisnomer_

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, as much as I love Iris and all of her designs, it really takes ya right out of the story any time she comes on screen. That being said, if they had actually committed and made ALL of the elves/people of the capitol wear similar avant-garde clothing, with interesting textures/structure/and fabric choice, then she wouldn't have felt out of place at all and would have helped make the elves feel like they had their own unique cultural style. As it stands now, they all look like humans because they all dress like humans.

The Witcher Blood Origins lore is like a house. The creators went to the foundation of the house, said "This is no good, we have to tear this all out!" They then proceed to tear out the foundation of the house while expecting the house to stay where it is.

Avalach is such an interesting character in the books and even in the 3rd game. The writers ruined him to be honest.

I feel so bad for all of the actors in both Shows. Genuine talent. Horrid casting and hard to work with scripts.

Needed to be a comedy action show, like Xena. What made Willow more watchable that either Witcher:Blood Origin or Rings of Power was that it didn't take itself too seriously, at least in it's second half.

@mariosblago94

Жыл бұрын

WILLOW is not good though, barely watchable. the acting is pretty bad

@jdranetz

Жыл бұрын

@@mariosblago94 At least better than Blood Origin, which isn't saying much.

Honestly this is one of the most seemingly unbiased review about the witcher blood origin I have seen.

Eradin is supposed to be a intimidating figure and in the show he is anything but

What I'm hearing is. Netflix realized, for once, something was popular and wanted to gain from that but since they have thrown money at so much only to cancel it one season in they decided you know we said 6 episodes but we can do it in 4 🤦🏻‍♀️

Blood Origin was entertaining if only because of the excellent cast who did their best. The actress playing the dwarf really stood out.

Rings of Power: I'm the most butchered adaptation ever Blood origins: Hold my beer..

" I am done being a coward, but the Coward is not done with me " , Dear Netflix, hire me. This philosophy writing is easy.

@vanyadolly

Жыл бұрын

Clearly they hired the Sphinx from Mystery Men

It’s so good to watch a review that doesn’t act like the showrunner personally unalived the reviewer’s family and actually analyzes the show

@brennangum6236

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but in this case it really does suck that we have a showrunner who doesn't even like the source material making witcher shows. These are characters we love and are intrigued by. Why does a talentless hack who doesn't love these characters get to make the tv shows which tell their stories? It just sucks. Be better if there was no show at all. At least then theres still the possibility of getting a good show rather than the certainty we are going to get crap.

imagine if they had just reintroduced Gandalf after he was captured and he escaped sauruman and their just like “yeah hes here now no biggie”

Basically, a bad DM in D&D who is not good with story creation, then decides to go from homebrew to created story, back to homebrew.

Biggest problem all shows have in recent years is their desire to do 6-10 episodes as a season (sometimes it's 13) whereas something like Star Trek TNG had 26 episodes. A longer season means a company can do more world building. Seeing as the world build has to happen visually and NOT through telling it (aka "show vs tell") this was what made this series and also, ironically, the last part of The Witcher lacking. It's a disservice to the creator of the franchise really.

"My uninformed enjoyment " is one of my new phrases

Imagine people actually just adapting the story that fandom was hyped for in the first place. Like those books give enough to make multiple episodes series of just good quality plot. And then you can go full artistic freedom on actual fighting, casting, scenes, scenography, clothes and monsters.

The Book of Amun-Ra line broke me 🤣

I don't know anything about withcer and I'm just here to see what the fuss is about, but here are my extremely random two cents that I just happened to notice at 3:47 : their ponies (or are they horses, can't tell?) have modern saddles and bridles and they did nothing to hide it? This probably means nothing to most viewers and it's definitely not something that would make or break a show, but surely they could have easily found some ye old timey-looking equipment just to fit the look? Sure, they threw a few saddle bags and blankets on there, but it just makes the contrast between the beautifully cut, shiny saddle and the rest of their stuff bigger:D and is there a dedicated blacksmith in this world who makes safety stirrups? Silly thing to point out but it got a small giggle out me

The Viva La Dirt League clips while you were saying about how the show feels like a parody was **chef's kiss.** Yeah, I noped out as soon as I saw the horrible, fourth-wall-breaking 'framing device' set up between Jaskier and Minnie Driver's character. I HATE what they've done to Jaskier in general, both in The Witcher and this show - they've turned him into a cross between the Donkey to Geralt's Shrek and some Random Modern-Day Dude who's accidentally been dropped into a medieval fantasy world and is still trying to adjust.

I had low expectations for Blood Origin.... and those low hopes were scuttled far out to sea, and that was a big bummer... That said, thank you for giving credit to the actors, despite the show lacking, the performances show that everyone on set was putting in the effort. The little mannerisms that each person brought to their character was wonderful even if I don't remember a single character's name.

It astonishes me that shows like this get green lit for a second season and great shows like inside job get canceled with so much hype for the next season. I will never understand how out of touch these people are

@veronicamaine3813

Жыл бұрын

I’m bitter over 1899.

@hendrickziegler8487

Жыл бұрын

yeah, it really is a pity :/ If I had to guess, they are actually not aiming for the most bingeworthy shows. If customers binge the show, then Netflix needs to deliver more. If one or two hours a day are consumed, Netflix can keep its customers with way lower need of show resupply. Maybe they have some stupid algorithm that is designed to delete shows that are too good. Like the opposite of HBO

@richardgroenendijk1378

Жыл бұрын

Wait, inside job got canceled? Its second season was just released right?

If the writers don’t like the source material why are they the ones writing it? Shouldn’t that be part of the interview?!?

I feel sorry for Michelle Yeoh, she is so good actress and deserves a real global hit.

@arthurballs9632

11 ай бұрын

She doesn't speak English well enough.

Great job critiquing this show without sounding like everyone else who hated it. If that's what you were going for (and your closing comments seem to imply that) - resounding success here.

10:27 it’s amazing to me how in a single clip you where able to show how bad the narration was in the story. in the clip the narrator talked about the protagonists ending up being hunted but saying this was completely unnecessary since you saw the guy holding up a wanted poster of himself. you could’ve cut out the narration completely and you would’ve still gotten the same amount of information by just watching attentively. it’s so stupid

They directly asked for all that hate when they put ‘Witcher’ in the title. If they called it ‘Stupid generic fantasy’ no one would’ve hated it, as no one would’ve watched it.

This is par for the course for Netflix originals. Sink a ton of money into random things, then have each episode half-ass written by a different person they found on Fiverr. The scripts aren't just bad, they seem like they were purposefully written poorly by writers who are angry with the producer/director.

@charlesg5085

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I am shocked at how bad this writing is. This feels like our culture rotting to me. I remember when every netflix original was great. Now, they are actually difficult to watch. Why are they doing this?

Hey, just wanted to say I really appreciate your style of honest reviews. Found your channel through the Rings of Power video and it felt really refreshing to hear such a comprehensive review, highlighting both the good and the bad sides of the show. Keep it up!

Yes! Viva la Dirt League! Anyway, found the Michael Cera comparison to NETFLIX Avallac'h hilarious but that's an example where your unfamiliarity with the material shines through. The deep fans LOATHE that casting. We loathe Avallac'h's inclusion here at all. This whole series was a big, steaming dump on the lore. I'm ignoring all things Netflix where the Witcher is concerned.

Thank you for your measured review! I agree that this show was NOT good, but it was far from the worst thing I’ve seen on Netflix. I have also seen many reviewers shit on the show for being “woke” which, in my opinion, had nothing to do with its failure as a show.

It‘s nice to hear a constructive review from a non-witcher-superfan. I understand their frustrations but their reasoning is sometimes just as bad as the storytelling in Blood origin. ps. That smiling Geralt in the end really awakes feelings of madness inside my stomach. dont do that again haha

netflix cancels practically every good show they have put out lately but had no problem throwing money at this mess. this is why i never watch netflix anymore. it’s also a mystery how they managed to nab amazing talent like michelle yeoh and minnie driver and do them so dirty.

I watched the whole thing 😖 hoping it was actually leading somewhere. But at every turn, I was asking “why did they do that”…none of the “plot” turns made sense. At the end, I still had no idea what it was actually about…I think, though can’t be sure, it was trying to be an explanation as to how Cyri came to have Elder Blood….?

It kinda depends on who's watching it 😅 a friend of mine watched it and loved it! But she was looking for a cliche fantasy movie/mini-series and this is exactly that. I (who played the games a lot and loves learning about the lore) was very much disappointed. I just hoped the series to feel more like a Witcher story, instead of a random fantasy story. If you told me this was a game of thrones spin-off, I'd believe you 🤣 (no hate on GoT aside from season 8!).

@carlosnunez6217

Жыл бұрын

And I watched it while doing 100 pages of reading for my upper div course and I loved it. I mean, I was only JUST paying enough attention and had no concept of the pacing because of that, but I liked it!

@Yoyocreative

Жыл бұрын

@@carlosnunez6217 ooh yeah! It's perfect for background noise! Even if you missed a bit here and there, you can still follow the story 🤭 good luck on your course/study!

This looks like someone filmed a larp session

"How Bad Is it?" -Yes.

I just assumed that I missed the inciting incident because I was doing homework at the same time :O this is all making a lot more sense now

I watched 1 and half episodes and came here. You basically made points for everything I was thinking so far. It really felt like they were doing too much and nothing at all at the same time. They gave me absolutely no reason to be invested in the story or the characters. I also think they were like "oh everyone loved Henry Cavill's f bomb so let's capitalize on that" and completely missing the reasons why people loved that moment in the original series. Similarly, It felt like they were trying to make a game of thrones type of cast, but failed to understand why the GOT characters are so beloved and why big moments in GOT really had an impact on the audience. I'm only 3 books into the witcher series, but I love them and this just didn't give me the same feelings the books or the original show did.

this video is refreshing. i have no prior history with the witcher ip, just the first 2 seasons which i've reasonably enjoyed, but i stopped after 2 episodes because i felt it was just sloppy and inefficient in its storytelling. i was disappointed, because i really wanted to like it, or at least be entertained by it for a few hours. i appreciate this analysis for its focus on the technical aspects of what went wrong, such as the writing and pacing, *not* on any nonsense like "wokeness" or whatever people like to whine about instead of thinking critically. the show is bad because the writers weren't good at writing, not because there are black people in it.

"Lark" was so annoying I was actively rooting for anyone else but her, almost no characters were well written, there was some "class warfare" ideas allegedly but we never actually saw anything concrete, the dialogue was poor, no chemistry between characters, it just goes on.

The Michael Cera elf actor also gave an AMAZING weird-ass performance in this one episode in season 3 of Atlanta. I hope he starts to get some bigger roles!

Honestly I wanted the empress to win! All 7 heroes bored me and had no personality, plus win after win wasn’t something believable

I think the saddest part is that it seems like the show runner do not care about the show or the audience... It could have been so good but they are running it to the ground...

That makeup and some costumes looks like parody itself 😂

I got whiplash from how quickly the Witcher shows all fell apart.

I can understand the princess coupe (sort of) 'cause the beginning kinda hint how much said princess disliked being like a bargaining chip for peace. So it was like ohh okay, she disliked it so allied with the evil faction to avoid it. It was flat but like ohh okay, moving on... at least we were shown how it went to pt B from pt A. But one thing that really got me ehhh was about that elf who first deciphered the monoliths. One second we were showed him in prison, next he was with his sister healer. And that's it. We were just told he escaped, which frankly was just bad. At first, I was really like huh? And also took me a sec to realise it was that same elf. And if anyone noticed, yeah, I just described them rather than use their names. 'cause I really don't remember (their names) and can't be bothered. It was that forgettable for me, which was a downer considering S1 of Witcher was good. Even the ending felt flat [Edit] ohh okay, I wrote the earlier statements while still watching your intro. Didn't know you'd also be covering it but yes!! Exactly. It also got me confused if whether or not I accidentally skipped a scene. I even contemplated for a sec checking the prev episode before settling to whatever and abolishing the plan. Glad it wasn't just me 💀

The main issue I have with it is, it didn't need to be made it doesn't add anything to anything..

I am now encouraged to watch all the NPC Man by Viva La Dirt League parodies of the Witcher.

Thank you for being one of the very few reviewers on here that actually had criticisms on the writing and storytelling without resorting to misogyny, racism, and queer-antagonism. Like, I KNOW there’s more to why this season was hot garbage than just “woman bad” or “non-white ppl bad”. The writing itself is the problem, and this video stopped me from having to sit through 4 hrs of pure suffering in order to find out for myself.

@pramabanerjee2767

Жыл бұрын

I agree... Sometimes it's really difficult to judge if the show is actually bad... Or people are just racist...

Sometimes you just have to do a Batwoman and can everything. Anyone at Netflix with taste should have known this was gonna be a dumpster fire with no redeemable features. A modern tale of bad writing is the only purpose this show serves now.

To be fair, the use of the f word is minimal compared to a fan when watching the episode.

When rating something, there no difference between last place, and next to last place.

the director for the blood origin series must be feeling very sad now.

I enjoyed the show but you definitely brought up a lot of good points and reminded me of a couple things that had bother me watching it.

imagine Netflix's The Witcher and Amazon's RoP were as good as Game of Thrones S1~4 and HOTD. Oh man....😔

I appreciate your comment at the end.

They could have saved money by just showing Mini Driver tell the story in it's entirety, and film nothing more.

I liked the casting quite a lot in this show. This could've been amazing, had these people had something proper to work with. I do sincerely hope they find better work after this. I hate it when I see very promising actors whose career sort of ends because of a role they gave their all for in a poorly written show or movie. 😔

Did not watch it since the first season of TW immensly disappointed me. To me it almost felt on par with Percy Jackson in terms of source-material-butchering. The only thing that worked in the show was Henry Cavell as Geralt. So i got no interest in seeing, in which other ways Netflix can torment the franchise. Hearing TW:BO has low ratings just confirms my impression.

Referencing Arrested Development always wins my heart over

For me, it was the Irish bearded elves. I just couldn't take it. There's supposed to be a difference between Men and Elves.

Netflix just wanted a vessel for its own Game of Thrones and the Witcher had enough audience to work. The first season of The Witcher was already a mess, but some were deluded by the writers' talk about being loyal to the source material. At this point, anyone should be aware by now that if a studio is willing to turn a book or game into a show, rarely it is because they like the content, but because they see a huge money cow they can milk.

Although Netflix absolutely butchered the Witcher with its ridiculous " lore" and hated core material, its got nothing on HBO's devastating ass-to-mouth raping it unleashed on Scooby-Doo's VELMA

Before my sampling of Blood Origin (I had to stop it was so bad) I had faith that although The Witcher was diverging from how the books handled character and plot developments it would get to showing onscreen the main points in particular how the books brought the story revolving around Ciri / Geralt / Yennefer to the conclusion. However, after watching this and other reviews and sampling the BO I no longer trust the show runners to do the right thing i.e. respect the source material.

9:12 That has to be one of the... funniest fights I've seen in a while. Like, hahah talk about suspension of disbelief going going and it's gone.

1:02 I wasn't ready for that drag 😭 😫 😆😆

There are so many interesting ways to write elves. Tolkien's elves are otherworldly and wise people voluntarily leaving the world to return to their homeland. Ed Greenwood's elves are adaptible and patient, trying to restore their fallen kingdoms. The elves of Dragon Age are second-class citizens, a shadow of their former self who don't even remember what was lost. Sapkowski's elves are a people on borrowed time, technically surviving, but without a future. Blood Origin's elves are immature 21st century americans with pointy ears.

It was soooooo damn bad.

When you mentioned parody and showed Epic NPC Man… I lolled like crazy. Those guys are. EPIC! 😂

The thing with the narration is... it didn't bother me. Because the "real" plot of the show is, that the elven lady tells dandilion the story so he can make a song out of it... And in medieval times stories where told like that. Take the narration of the show and fill the gaps with your own thoughts and picture an old bearded man in a tavern, or on a road telling it to children and their parents to get some coins or a warm meal. Suddenly it makes more sense ... So I see it as the heavy handed and unenthusiastic attempt to connect two completely different genres with each other.

It wasn’t great but I felt like the actors were all in. The writing was the weakest part. Story was pretty cookie cutter. Costumes and cast were good. Was not the worst Netflix show ever. It wasn’t worse than the movie Bright.

I really wish people would stop being hired to write/direct movies and shows that actively dislike the source material. It seems super counterintuitive. There's no reason they would ever give their actual all to something they don't like, so the end product is going to be less good than a labor of love, and they're going to hate doing it the whole time. It *can't* be that hard to find people who are fans or at least neutral to work on projects like this. Particularly when a large fan base already exists

Netflix Witcher can't gain back the trust of the fans, because the fans never gave it trust in the first place, the franchise was the furthest thing from lore accurate from the beginning.

I hope Netflix pulls the plug on the witcher soon.. So the witch can't ruin it anymore than she already have.

I appreciate the all time low reference

The non-dragon, but very dragon like monster had lazers ::rolling eyes:: that turned people into "mist" I'm going to guess for production cost reasons. If you can't afford to do the special effect, then just don't the make the production.