Good to see you back. Oval rings make no difference at all, its all in your head! Used them in the past and the best you can say is they don't make things worse - provided they are in the right alignment.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

But the placebo effect is a thing, so if we think it works …. 😀

@DavidWard-xs7ld

5 ай бұрын

Just thought I'd add to your comment (I'm 'the Dave' from the video); oh, and I have no affliliation with AB or any other manufacturer. I do disagree that the ovals make no difference; I have really bad knees and, when climbing, I can generate more usable power with ovals (I have checked with my power-meter). When I chatted to Roy, we did discuss the whole gear ratio thing - of course a 30T is going to be better than a 34T for climbing - Miche and Shimano GRX offer good/cheaper alternatives to AB; but in my experience, with bad knees, they help me optimise my power when climbing (same on my MTB). That said, I have round rings on another bike and I'm unaware of the difference, unless I'm climbing, then I fatigue more. Oh, and I have an old bike with Bio-Pace - you really do notice those rings!! (wrong/different orientation). Hope that helps, Dave (of No Two Cycles fame.. 🙂 )

Enjoyed the video as usual. The adventures of Wendy and Roy continue . 7 mile rides are for a when I have a spare. 35 - 40 minutes. 10 miles or 15 miles and a coffee and cake then back is about right. At our age it's good to avoid icey roads as we don't bounce.

God Bless You Tony Rest in Peace

I’ve replaced the Ultegra 50-34 chainsets on 2 of my bikes with 48-31 GRX and really happy with them, I’ve even replaced the triple on my touring bike with the same. I’ve never tried oval rings but I have friends that are really happy with them.

Good to see you back! 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I use them on my MTB 1x12, and used them on my road/gravel bike as 50/34 with 11-32 and now with a 44T 1x11-32. They definitely work in terms how power is put down on the MTB. On the road/gravel bike they work just as well. I find them easier to pedal on both the bikes.

God Bless and rest in peace Tony..

Enjoyable video - good to see you back. Chris Froome must have used an oval for some reason!

@FiveMinuteVelo

5 ай бұрын

Yes, he was paid to use them. kzread.info/dash/bejne/moWsyNekqKe4pcY.htmlsi=Bs1-P5sKAlLSFljd

R.I.P Tony, such a loss. oval rings...? ask Chris Froome. my concern was always the fear of throwing the chain off due to the periodic 'gap' created under the front changer...? Yes, love the idea of smaller rings 48x11 is still a massive 117" and @ 75rpm... you are moving..!

Another lovely video. Thanks, Roy. I do hope i get a chance to ride with you this year.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Me too, let’s set something up.

My first bike had the Shimano Bio Pace chainring - I didn't know enough/ride enough then to feel/know the benefits so good to hear about your experience Roy - thanks for sharing. Rest in Peace Tony - great, poignant tribute Roy. Moving to watch as one person in our club also has the same diagnosis -of MND - he still rides though now needs an electric assist

Love the new intro Roy!

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Thank you. I wanted to change the intro but needed the time to experiment with some of the colour grading techniques, which taking a break from making normal videos gave me..

Happy New Year to you Roy , Like the NEW Title Start Of the video ,Did pass you and a Group back at the end of January , anyway nice to see your back behind the bars .cheers Paul.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Glad you liked the new title, Paul. That was a post Christmas project.

Interesting stuff on oval chainrings...

Welcome back, Roy. 😊 When I didn't see any videos for January, I had the thought you might be taking a break. You had been very prolific in December. Planning to cut back a bit might be a good idea. After all you and Wendy have lives that need attention too. This was a lovely ride. From what you report, sounds as though you are satisfied with your oval chainrings. Anything that helps with climbing and/ knees is a good thing. I sympathize with the knee condition. Good thing my routes are practically hill free. Trikes don't climb well. 😏 I've been riding the same neighborhood routes for years and it was getting really boring. Today tho I rode in a different direction and found a great new neighborhood. Made my morning ride more pleasant than usual. Wendy, sounds as though you and Terry had a great time on your trip. Did you spend the entire six weeks over there? I'm glad to welcome you back to the cycling channel too. 😁 Well, looking forward to your next video when it's ready. Enjoy the longer days and upcoming warmer weather.

@wendysheehan2413

5 ай бұрын

Hi there - yes we spent 5weeks in Nerja - my sister and family hired an apartment nearby and my daughter and hubbie joined us and they went skiing in the Sierra Nevada for 3 days. So it was good to be with family over Xmas and enjoying the sunshine! Swimming in the sea on Xmas day was fantastic if chilly! We finished off with a few days in Malaga doing the touristy bits! It was nice to have escaped the horrid weather that the UK experienced. 😀

Nice new intro Roy I've missed you two, I think absence makes the heart grow fonder mate lol. 👍🏻 Great video here, But I was hoping for the new Chilli Tech 2 Camera Review...? Any idea when....?

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

There’s been a delay on that, Chris. I had completed the edit when Paul from Chilli Tech called to say that his new sub £100 4K camera was performing almost as well as the Pro 2. I returned the Pro 2 and he supplied the 4K. I’ve got most of the footage I need but I still have to test it in low light. The big thing going for this model is that it has quite decent image stabilisation, which is a great help in identifying car number plates. In all honesty it’s going to be a month away but if you are in a hurry to make a decision I’m happy to upload some example footage for you to access, plus I’ll give my impression. If you specifically need low light functionality, then I would say go for the Pro2, as it made two catches in very low light. These were both prosecuted and wouldn’t have been possible without the extra light gathering sensor of the Pro2. Feel free to email me on ridingwithroy@gmail.com

I see Lincolnshire and Nottinghamshire councils surpass Bedfordshire for crap road surfaces. That’s some feat.

@wendysheehan2413

5 ай бұрын

Yes when I was reviewing the video I really noticed how muddy all the roads were. It’s the cleaning the bike after every ride that gets to you!

Hi Roy back in 1989 I had a Giant Peleton Lite with Shimano Biospace oval chain rings. To be honest I don’t remember them making much difference then but like yourself I am pushing on a bit (nearly 68) so thanks for the review and I may look at having another upgrade. The 46/30 looks a good move as I do most of my riding in the Peak District.

@RobertAdams-ly5ku

5 ай бұрын

I had the same bike in 1988, paid a discounted £365 for it, it had shimano 6 speed 13 -23 cassette, with a 52, 42 biopace chainring. I still ride it today, on my very hilly route, gear ratio's aren't ideal, as i'm past 70 now, but it's managable, and as you say, didn't seem to make any difference on the hills

Nice to see a new Ride With Roy video. Two videos a month seems to be quite a challenge. Also nice to hear you and Wendy planning longer trips. Oval chain rings certainly divide opinion, in the same way helmets, chain lubrication, drops and mudguards do. Both have arguments for and against, For me, since I turned 70, in the last 10 years I've found I need lower gears, on my 3X8 setup I'm using gears that previously I never did. I believe some pros use oval rings for mountain stages I believe, Chris Froome was a big fan. It doesn't matter which approach you take, continue to keep in the saddle. Has Wendy lost her singing voice? Thanks for the video.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Colin, good to hear from you. I think Wendy is saving her voice for the Edinburgh to Grantham ride. We will probably get regional favourites as we pass through - but only the first line, of course 😀

@wendysheehan2413

5 ай бұрын

Ohhhh a few Scottish songs…there’s a challenge 🤔

Biopace refuses to die! Snake oil.

@DavidWard-xs7ld

5 ай бұрын

BioPace did die - AB ovals, Rotor Q rings etc have a different orientation - it's recognised that Shimano got it wrong. But see my comments above; ovals really are horses for courses (accepting that horses can't cycle). 🙂

Hi Roy another great video and very sad to hear about Tony, condolences to his family. What did you mean when you said you had to lower your Derailleur could you please give more details. Enjoy your riding with your new set up.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, I’m sure his daughters will see your kind comment. This short video clip explains the front derailleur adjustment much better than I can 🙂 kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHhrlteJnrmqiKg.htmlsi=einzOlpPGdwjta3j

@lunepilot2874

5 ай бұрын

@@RideWithRoy Thanks Roy fully understand what you ment now. Many thanks 👍

Have used ovals for quite a few years & I love them Think it's a case of they work for some people & not others

I love the oval chainrings on my Tempest, mine is a 1x system and have 38 and 34 tooth rings, in the 80s i had no trouble chainring between the rings on the old shimano biopace system, my 38 tooth is Absolute black and the 34 tooth is a wolftooth ring.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Thank you ‘Michael from Peterborough’ 😀

@pezzie1972

5 ай бұрын

A lovely touch at the end Roy , he was/is much loved. I have the same ring as you sold to me by the snake oil salesman 😂. Honestly it has saved my knees, I rode 2000ft today without a twinge. Thumbs up here !

@FENCYCLIST

5 ай бұрын

@@RideWithRoy yes made my comment before video had finished, and it was a great tribute at the end to Tony.

High Roy, nice to see you back. Oval chainrings, there are a lot of myths about this so I decided to do my own testing. I realise you didn't buy yours just for a speed at advantage, but my testing I did look at speed as well as some other more practical aspects of oval chainrings. My second video on this can be found here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/moWsyNekqKe4pcY.htmlsi=Bs1-P5sKAlLSFljd I found no downsides to the oval chainrings, but there again no speed upsites either. As for going for that 46:30 combination, I wholeheartedly agree, I'm now using smaller chain rings on all my bikes - but none of them on how oval!

@FiveMinuteVelo

5 ай бұрын

Just to add, back in the 80s I did use bio-pace chainrings. Back then I can't remember noticing any difference, apart from when in very low gears a slight quickening of my foot movement over the peddling dead spots.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Im told that the old Biopace ovals worked in the opposite sense to these, so can’t be compared. As you say, I was recommended to change to these for climbing and not speed

@FiveMinuteVelo

5 ай бұрын

​@@RideWithRoy Biopace had the larger chord (radius) in-line with the crank so effectively on the pedal down/up-stroke of the crank the bike would be in an effectively lower gear and over the top/bottom the gear would be higher. At the time I remember reading something about the foot speed changing as the chainset rotates. It did not make much sense to me then and I still cannot make sense of Biopace. Maybe that is why it was dropped. I did have a set and I noticed no difference except on the smallest chainring (tripple) when I felt a slight pulsing as I peddled. Modern chainrings are aligned so that the largest chord is about 90 degrees (or a bit more) to the crank so the highest gear is on the down/up-stroke part of the peddling action. This, from a biomechanics point of view, makes more sense to me. However in use I noticed no difference. I don't have doggy knees though. I suspect the biggest benefit comes from the smaller (number of teeth) chainrings and not the ovality.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

@@FiveMinuteVelo yes, it’s a pity I couldn’t try the small round rings first, but as I was using my own money I chose to go all in.

I’m wondering how much the easier climbing is due to the reduced gearing and how much due to the oval rings. I do struggle up some of the Vale climbs on my 34x28, so I’m thinking of changing to 46/30 too. I wouldn’t worry too much about not having a high top gear. 46x11 gives a gear of 113 inches. Back in the day when we used to ride 53/39 chainrings our top gear was a 13 sprocket which gives a gear of 110 inches. Lovely tribute to Tony at the end. I don’t think I ever met him despite him being fairly local to me.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Definitely easier due the gearing. I wish I could have tried just the reduced size round rings but not an option. Having said that, I don’t think I’d be feeling that linear smoothness without the ovals. My view is that for the extra investment it was worth me going oval to be sure, as they certainly don’t make it any harder.

O how i remember so fondly the square steering wheel of my Austin Allegro. Or was it oval and ahead of it's time ?😊

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

My brother had an Allagro. He didn’t get to use that square steering wheel much as it was mostly broken down 😀

I try one on MTB it just gave me knee pain so went bk to round

My hybrid is 42 T front and a 42/11 cassette. So a 1:1 ratio lowest and nearly 4:1 highest gear. Plus e assistance. That's the Ribble spec. Your ratio must be lowest 30/? And highest 46/?. Whatever rear cassette range is . Sorry about your Friend Tony. There seem to be too many funerals of people I knew at the moment. I don't think I will bother with oval chain ring , at least not yet.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

I too wouldn’t use it on my e assist, Keith. But on the ‘me assist’ it is giving the appearance of helping. My cassette is 11/34.

@keithgladman2410

5 ай бұрын

I was interested in gear ratios and your highest is higher than mine and lowest is lower. As to be expected with a twin front gear. The effect of oval is certainly beyond my brain to think about.

Firstly, I'd like to offer my condolences to Tony's family and friends. He sounded a larger than life character, who will obviously be missed by many. R.I.P Sir. As for oval chainrings, you're right, they are Marmite. I used them about 10 years ago, for one season. After the initial set up, and niggles, I found them to be ok tbh. The only problems I encountered, were once they wore slightly. Chain dropping, awkward up shifting into the big ring etc. I have to be honest, the advantages were minimal IMO. As you said Roy, the fact that you are on smaller rings, regardless of shape, it will be easier on the climbs. I think, if it suits you, and you feel a noticeable difference, it's a win. £200 mark? Expensive? Not if it helps, but a bit of a gamble, and if the advantages are minimal, not worth it. However, as I say, if it works for a particular rider, great. Excellent video as per usual Roy. Take care Sir. Andy

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Andy, I’m sure Tony’s daughters will see this. Yes, the benefit of the ovals could be in my mind, but that’s a place where many achievements are won or lost. I also wonder if the benefits are minimal when younger and stronger and more apparent with age.

@aAnd67

5 ай бұрын

@@RideWithRoy placebo effect, maybe, but as you say, battles in the mind are often harder fought than the physical ones! I say, if it works for you, crack on. I set my Wahoo to KM in the winter, when I find cycling is tougher, so when it reads " 100 km, I feel like a winner, whereas 60 miles, I think " could try harder" 😂🤣 At the end of the day, just enjoy riding your bike IMO 👍👍

How were your knees feeling compared to the 50/34. I like you Linear comment. I guess you are able to maintain a more consistant cadence up the bigger percentages? Do you think it would be worth it on my Ebike mid drive 50nm Scott? I am thinking as I have lower leg issues it would smooth out my cadence as I am lob sided a bit with my r ankle fusion and new L knee.

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

My knees are being kept going with steroid injections, so wasn’t in any pain, Russ. These didn’t make them feel any worse, but I’ve heard others say they help. I would imagine that anything that removes pressure must help. Yes, consistency is a good description. I’ve found I can ease up and smoothly climb. I noticed on the video I was climbing the 15% section of the Terrace at 12mph, where I would usually be at about 6mph. On the subject of knees, I’m currently long term testing ‘Midfoot’ cleat adaptors, so that will be coming up soon.

@davidburgess741

5 ай бұрын

Mid cleat position actually will help. Especially the calves and ankles. Shorter cranks and very low gearing will fix many ills.​@@RideWithRoy

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

With regard to using ovals on you electric, Russ. I wouldn’t use them on mine, as I will only use e when I’m too tired to ride my Tempest, so would use power on climbs. If, however, you prefer to ride non powered as much as possible, then they are likely to help.

Invisible car at 27:37 😂

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

It was the emperor on his way to get some new clothes 😀

Did you have to alter your chain length when you changed your chainrings

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

I did, John. I removed two links.

What the size of your large cog on your cassette

@RideWithRoy

5 ай бұрын

It’s an 11/34

@charlielittle2688

5 ай бұрын

Man you’ll go up any hill now .I’m same age as yourself

Oval rings are a total waste of money