Great video! If you want to maximize the velocity potential of the 20” without pushing past the SAAMI MAP, it will easily do well over 2500fps with the right powder and most any cup and core in the 120-123gr weight range. Partitions and some of the bonded bullets will limit what you can do with start pressure, so some will be a bit slower, but breaking 2500fps is fairly straightforward with 20” Grendel. The 2 powders that will get you there without chasing max pressure are CFE223 and LeveRevolution. Another powder that will do it is Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR. With a standard cup and core 120-123gr (not bonded), work up with CFE223 in .3gr increments to no more than 31.7gr using Hornady, Lapua, or Starline brass. Some chambers will be limited to 31.0 to 31.2gr if they were cut with a reamer past its correct cutting life. With a real SAAMI chamber with the compound throat and Enfield rifling, I’ve easily past 2500fps even with a 16” Grendel, but my go-to load of 31.2gr is usually in the 2480-2490fps region 15ft from the muzzle. That’s with the 123gr A-MAX loaded to 2.272” COL fed from CProducts mags. My 17.6” Lilja 3R barrel with the same load averages 2490fps at 64˚F. I have tons of factory load data as well out of 22”, 18” AA fluted, 18” LaRue Stealth 2.0, 17.6” Lilja, 16” AA, 16” Lilja, and 12” Faxon 5R barrels. You can also look at the 129gr class of bullets, either the 129gr SST or 129gr Nosler Accubond LR. The ABLR will actually expand down to 1300fps and has a very good BC, very soft construction but bonded so it doesn’t shed a lot of weight and expands dramatically. 129gr Hornady SP and SST are very reliable killers on medium game, but the 123gr SST has probably killed the most deer out of them all. 129gr ABLR will give you the most effective range out of all the bullets in 6.5mm that work well in the Grendel. The Barnes and other lead-free projectiles in the 100-120gr weights will give you the most penetration, followed by any of the bonded bullets. Great little cartridge that hits outside of its weight class on-target, not on your shoulder and sight picture.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir for the Great comments from you with allot of experience. My data is only gleaned from the 2 rifles shown. I am able to get over 2500fps in the 20 inch with PP Varmint powder and Sierra Pro Hunter 120 grain flat based bullet, with sub moa accuracy and have harvested 3 bucks in 3 shots total. I have experimented extensively with cfe-223 and 123gn. Horn. SST bullets, velocity was great but accuracy wasn't acceptable in my rifles. Thanks again for your input and advice.

@wendellbell6164

7 ай бұрын

Great video and coments. Thank you

As I'm looking to build a 6.5 here soon, and have thought about getting into reloading, this was allot of great info. Thanks 👍

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Great caliber! Thanks for watching.

Researching different barrel lengths. This video helps

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Just found your site ! Love my 6.5 grendel !!! Mine is a 20 " heavy !! Thanks for the comparison ☺️ good video !!!

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Mark, Thanks for watching .

6.5 grendal is the king of the ar platform

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! Thanks for watching

@rustynut1967

4 жыл бұрын

We'll see 😄 ....... Just kidding. I think 500 yards in it is the better choice. I'm on the fence now as to get a grendel or the arc.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

@@rustynut1967 The ARC does sound intriguing but the Grendel is beyond the test phase and is now on version type II..No bugs, a 12 year history and if you buy or load 100 grain bullets the velocity difference between the ARC and Grendel is moot...Thanks for your comment.

@rustynut1967

4 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 But BC is better on the ARC. That's why I said grenel is the better choice out to 500 yards and for the reasons you mentioned. I built my neighbor a 22" grendel and was thinking of doing a 22" ARC for fun to compare. I enjoyed your video. Thanks.

@justaregularguy3827

3 жыл бұрын

@@rustynut1967 unless your a handloader you can't get the arc only l;like 2 boxes of ammo and there sold out till June

Good video! Impressed with the velocity gains from 4" of barrel! Thank you.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Robert, Thanks for watching.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

That velocity gain is totally normal and not crazy in any way. It's pretty much standard at about 30 fps per inch of barrel, so one would expect about 120fps in velocity gain.

@uralbob1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wildwestwrangler I put a 24" barrel on mine. It's no lightweight anymore. It will be fun building accurate loads. Thanks again.

I enjoy your videos much and I am a fan of the 6.5. I liked it so much after buying the AR upper that I bought a CZ527 in 6.5 Grendel. I also like your cold bore 2 shot groups. Most practical way to test for what most people use their firearms for.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for the kind words here.

Eh young man very nice video and well put together ...according to Berger bullets there is an increase in velocity with longer barrels anywhere from 25 to 35..40 feet per second.... now about the powders ....on the burn rate chart with pressure...your in the same playing field that all the major manufacturers are in .... I’ve experienced the same this powder that bullet .....etc ..etc..etc...I guess it depends on how much testing one wants to do with powder and bullet and primer combo ......today there are waaay too many choices .....I’ve learned to cut out all the regular powders ...they all work well.....and now I have gone the route of the extreme powders....less variation in velocities and pressure less fluctuation ....like the extreme line in Hodgdon and the new imr powders ..... I’ve also taking in consideration from other reloaders the fact about pressures with different powders ....for semiautomatic and bolt action rifles Less beating up the gun/wear and tear ..and also destroying the brass ....primer pockets ...stretching of the brass etc..etc.......example for my browning rifles I’ll use powders with less pressure examples imr 3031or benchmark...with lighter bullets and when shooting heavier bullets I’ll go h4895....varget .....and I remember reading for 308 semi autos ....nothing slower then imr 4064.....and so far I’ve had great results ....and I’m still chasing that magic load .....it’s fun and a challenge at the same time Eh young man again a well put video ...well spoken ...and nice toys(rifles)...I just wish up here in Canada we had different laws so we can hunt with ar types of rifles ....it’s only range and back home Again very nice video Cheers davide

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind review and input... My "chasing that magic load" is always tied to meeting or exceeding store bought ammunition performance. Reloading enhances the understanding of, 1. Internal ballistics 2. External ballistics and 3.Terminal ballistics for each individual firearm... I am new to the AR platform and learning its myriad of intricacies, but I still prefer my traditional rifles, for hunting,

Excellent video, thank you!

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Very informative video, thank you.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment and for watching.

Excellent work sir, thank you.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words and for watching.

Bought a 24” Grendel for that exact reason, better terminal ballistics at the longer ranges. I also wanted something between the 5.56 and 308. Great video!😊

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Yeap, smaller cartridges, speed is your friend. Thanks for watching and best of luck to you with your rifle.

very well done

Great video. I learned a little from it.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Great video .. just bought a 20’

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind comment. Enjoy your 20"

Love the Grendel. I'm not set up to reload so I have to depend on factory ammo. Good presentation.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and your comment

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

Hornady custom 123gr sst is a great round in 6.5 grendel.

Thank you for the video

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting.

Thanks for the video, it's great to see the comparison - I'm getting the 24 fluted since it same weight as 20", and better accuracy and velocity! It would be nice to see you update your comments on providing the velocity and energy data one each rounds shot from each barrel with the average velocity. Also, down range velocity would be nice to see. I know it's a lot of work, so I understand if you don't.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and for your suggestions

Love my Grendel. You’re getting some pretty good SD & ES numbers you’re obviously taking the time to make some pretty nice ammunition.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Larry...Thank goodness for the published load data from the bullet/powder manufacturers, as all I have to do is test the loads to see the results best suited to my rifles for their intended purpose.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

@Jay C My experience has been good with BCA. They have a 1 MOA guarantee and a no nonsense return policy...

This is important important.

Got the 24" bca hand loading 140grn sst h335 26.5 to 27grn max load. Leaving bullet out long to lessen bullet jump into the riffling. The dead air muzzle break is a game changer on mine. I run an 10x40 50mm ZOS SCOPE for long distance . great set up.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great set up...Thanks for watching

Thanks for the test and comparison! I am now considering a 24” barrel

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Joe.

@markgrissom3436

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 24 and wish I had done 20. Handling is awkward.

@matthewgray259

2 жыл бұрын

@@markgrissom3436 In what way exactly?

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewgray259 they get really nose heavy if you're packing it around. Especially if you're shooting from the shoulder towards the end of the day after a long pack in and you don't have a rest to shoot from. Then you'll notice that extra 4 inches!!!

@matthewgray259

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wildwestwrangler I built a 24inch with a bull barrel since then. I know exactly of what you speak lol…

I have AR Stoner and BCA 24" barrels. The AR stoner shoots tighters groups. I mainly shoot 100 grain Barnes TTSX bullets, and Hornady 100grain. Using 30.7 grains H335. Just started loading 120 grain using Tac powder. So far I can cover my groups with a nickle at a hundred yards. Very pleased with this caliber. Not pleased with the BCA barrel chamber seems short max coal is 2.260 and bullets stick in rifling so I had to adjust for this. No such problem with the AR Stoner barrel.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you have a couple of winners...2.260 is usually the max magazine length. Also for a gas gun, most reloading manuals and Saami chamber specs show COAL at 2.260...However no two chambers are ever alike. Thanks for your comment.

Looking at building a hunting rifle upper for my AR, been looking for wisdom on loads that can be used. Thank you great info.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, Use the bullet manufacture load data. Always start at lower loads and work up cautiously.

Subscribed. Thanks for the work on the grendel. Been shooting 1200 rnds of wolf junk from my 22 in Grendel I will probably look at a better barrel in the future. Really was just curious about the round. Kinda like it. Just got a set of dies for it yesterday. Brass is on the way. Gonna go for the 123 eld match for my first go around. Seen a bit of info and this seems to be a pretty good weight for the platform. I'll be watching thanks again

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Forrest for your comment...Yes 120-123 grn bullets really shine..Good luck and have fun with your load development...Thanks again.

Awesome Video on the 6.5 Grendel....was Super Curious on how it would shoot on both barrel lengths. EXCELLENT> MUST BUILD ME ONE, BEEN LOOKING @ THEM 4 A WHILE. THANKS FOR THE INSIGHT ON THIS BULLET & RIFLES!

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

I also have a 20 in BCA Grendel but do not hunt. Nevertheless, this is extremely interesting. My lack of experience with loading caused real surprise at your overspeed comments. You are imparting good, helpful knowledge.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching...Factory ammunition is loaded to work in "All rifles" So the common conception is that factory ammo is safer. Developing your own "Custom Ammo" Allows a more experimental load development range. However faster than book listed velocity equals greater chamber pressure that can become unsafe or damage the firearm.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 well you're shooting a slightly lighter bullet than those hornady custom 123gr sst are listed at out of 24 inch barrel at very comparable speeds, so I wouldn't be alarmed by that, especially since your fast load isn't much faster than the factory load and with a slightly lighter bullet.

Great video. I have a 6.5 18" from bca and a 24" from Sanders Armory. Love them both. I didn't think of the pressure being higher from the longer barrel. I'll be sure to monitor that. Thank you for sharing. I'm sure glad I watched.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!...No two rifles are alike, even from the same manufacturer. Cartridge construction, components, rifle chamber dimensions and the barrel are just some of the contributors to pressure/velocity inconsistency...Thanks again for your comment.

@LRRPFco52

3 жыл бұрын

Velocity will be faster from the 24” barrel using the same loads. Chamber pressure will be the same, as the chamber can’t know the difference.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

@@LRRPFco52 actually that's not completely true. With a slower powder you'd build higher chamber pressures with a longer barrel, cause the bullet would be out of shorter barrel before it could peak.

@LRRPFco52

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wildwestwrangler Nope. Peak pressure can only happen at midpoint of the propellant mass. It’s absolutely impossible to create more peak pressure with barrel length. Barrel length has zero to do with peak pressure.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

@@LRRPFco52 not true.

I have a BCA Grendel upper with the 20” barrel, I’m shooting a 90 gr. Speer with IMR 4895 . I’m thinking about trying IMR 3031, which is close to Benchmark. Yes it’s a lite bullet my furthest shot will be 200-250 at the most. I’ll be watching your channel for your success.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Al.. Good luck with your load development. That is half the fun...

I have a 20", may have to order a 24" barrel also. I am liking the velocity gains you are seeing.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, the 20" is a little quicker to shoulder and shoot if shooting from a standing position while hunting. Also a better choice if shooting with a suppressor.

@JReed305

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 my 20" weighs 10lb all up so really a range toy. Another upper in 24" would be nice for those longer ranges.

There is a complete reloading manual for 6.5 Grendel published by Las Positas Group, LLC - PO Box 824, Livermore, California 994550, in two volumes. I started with Sierra 120 Pro-Hunter for testing purposes but changed to Sierra 107 Match King 2800+ velocity, and the accuracy is excellent.26-.30”, all from 24” barrel Match (Deadshot Barrel) of Oregon.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds great! Thanks for your comment.

Great video! As an avid reloader, 6.5 Grendel is my next round to experiment with. Standard reloads are a piece of cake, but I’m interested in oddball rounds now, in light rounds and experimenting in the heavier rounds for improved downwind performance. I’m specifically interested in 300-400 yard accuracy and now to figure out if I trust myself enough to take my chrony out to 400 yards and shoot across the top. I can calculate it, but no better proven method than shooting through the posts. I need a new chrony anyways. Maybe I’ll shoot low on purpose when testing and tell them wife “oops”, so I can finally ditch the user unfriendly Chrony Gamma. My rifle is a 13.5” and I get amazing accuracy out of it, at a cost of reduced velocity. However, it plants deer like a champ with 123 SSTs and is dialed with factory ELD Match. Shot 2 deer with the SSTs now and both times it dropped them within feet. Split the heart in half like a sushi knife on the first deer I took. 2nd deer, I gained tremendous confidence, and took a direct center neck shot. The deer dropped instantly and never so much as twitched. Confidence in the grendel platform for hunting is just as high as using my 243 win, 270 win or 308. Dead is dead with proper bullet performance and over 1500 ft lbs of energy on target. Very happy

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your information, kind comment and for watching.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 the hornady custom 123gr is advertised at 2580 out if a 24 inch barrel so you should be good. I'd be more worried if you were hitting north of 2700fps.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wildwestwrangler Yes the loads were good to go. Thanks for watching.

I just wanted to make the one hundredth comment. I do have a 6.5 but here in Indiana, we can't really let it stretch out it legs. If the bison ever come back, I'll be ready LOL.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being #100! My Dad was a 2 time All American at Notre Dame 1946-1947. That is where my Mom and Dad got married. No worries about distance shooting if you are proficient at 100 yards, as longer ranges involve to many variables including math. 1MOA at 100yards is 10moa at 1,000yds.

@notsoserious0944

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 That is quite an accomplishment! My Uncle graduated from ND and got his masters there.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

@@notsoserious0944 It is truly a small world. From Idaho to Indiana, I thank you for watching and commenting.

@yargageqc1111

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 1 moa is 1/60th a degree 1.047 inches at 100 yards so 1 moa is still 1 moa at 100 or 1000 yards but at 100 yards it is 1 inch and 1000 yards 10 inches. Thanks for making the video showing the velocity gains. I'm still waiting for my wolf 6.5 ammo to show up so I can test out my bca 24" barrel I bought a long time ago.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

@@yargageqc1111 Have fun with your build. Thanks for watching.

Looking forward to the results from the reloading bench. I ordered the same 24” upper but 123gr SST bullets with 8208xbr or 2000MR or AR-Comp for powder choices. Hoping to gain some knowledge for accurate/fast loads for my barrel.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Have fun with the process. Finding a tailored load for your specific rifle is both fun and a challenge. Thanks for your comment...

Great hat.

I’m shooting the same 24” Bear Arsenal upper. I reload also. Love the gun except for the weight. I’ve taken a few hogs with it and they drop when hit. Great group with the pro Varmint.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment and for watching.

@crawford323

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Got two Hogs last weekend. It was nice to get out again. Reloaded 50 yesterday Hornady 120 grain with Benchmark powder.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

@@crawford323 Glad you had a successful hunt...

Some chart with the velocities would have been very useful!

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

See my Grendel playlist for plenty of load developments including velocities. Thanks for watching.

Another good video, very well explained, easy to understand. Thank you very much sir.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your kind words and for watching.

Nice SD numbers..

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Very nice I have a 20" from BCA and I love it but am saving up to start reloading, I really want to see it's full capability while keeping safe pressures but even with factor loads I'm getting ejector marks

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

If your rifle shoots well and cycles properly, that is 90% of the game...Some rifles have extremely tight chambers (which is good) and that can contribute to ejector marks. Thanks for watching and your comment.

Excellent demonstration! I’m currently in the market for my first none 5.56 upper. There’s a lot of hype around 6 arc. Seems like Grendel rounds are more available. What do you recommend. It will be for the little deer we have in North Carolina.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

Both the ARC and the Grendel have taken deer for me. The Grendel has the larger diameter bullet of 6.5mm and is able to shoot heavier bullet weights up to 129gns very well. But I own both and you can check out my 6ARC playlist as well as my Grendel Playlist for more info. Thanks for watching.

Good morning from las vegas. Thank you so much for your knowledge. Quick question what did you find at the end of the video with the casings? Were they too hot? Etc. I am waiting for bear creek arsenal to have the 24" upper. I already have my lower for it.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

My cases were fine. But I did lower the charge weight to fine tune the cartridge to rifle performance. Check out my 6.5 Grendel playlist for allot more information. Thanks for your question and for watching.

Awesome comparison! I don’t have a 6.5 Grendel yet is my situation

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Thank for watching and for your comment.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a 5.56? If so just buy and swap the upper to try it for much cheaper than getting into a whole new rifle, and if you end up liking it, then buy a new lower to leave on it or stick with your multi-caliber system if you want.

Just picked up the BVA 24 in upper this is just what I want to do

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Good range fun! Thanks for watching...

I am not a reloader but I can tell you that the longer the barrel, the more complete the powder burn is and that results in maxed out and often consistent velocities. From my research there is a point after 100% complete powder burn where the load reaches maximum velocity, and after that the bullet starts slowing down. Most factory reload data comes from a 24 inch bolt action barrel or pressure test barrel, and these barrels will always result in higher projectile velocities than a gas operated rifle (the rifle cycling according to my research takes away between 100 FPS and 200 FPS from the bullet). If you are getting higher velocities than recorded with no pressure signs, or accuracy degradation I consider that to be a good thing. If you really want to test the stability of the load then you are going to have to do a high heat firing (a few mag dumps before accuracy testing) and a cold firing (probably put the rifle and ammo in a cooler with bags of ice for an hour). If the load can pass this test without displaying pressure signs then I say you have a load that should not fail you. TL-DR The formula you have for ammo so far seems good.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input and knowledge to share with any of the folks who watch my videos..

I would say if that load is too hot for one it's too hot for both. I think you're just on the right combination if the brass is good and the barrel length definitely has to be why the speed was so good. So the pressures should be good.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, except for the first shots in the 20" which were lower than previous tests. But, after case and rifle inspection at the reloading bench, there was no case stretch and no primer pocket looseness. so I will stick with that load for both rifles due to acceptable accuracy. However, the ballisticians at Alexander Arms, Speer and Sierra have the ability to check for chamber pressures and place max load data including velocity expectations for our safety. When reloading, inconsistent low velocity and high velocity based on listed load data with the same components is cause for 'prudent further investigation' and why we reload. Thanks for your comment.

100gr Nosler partition on 28.5gr of benchmark from my 24" barrel 2745fps

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds like a dandy load! Thanks for your comment.

Hey Dave Nice Shooting , In your Opinion Which BCA Upper do you Prefer and Why??

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

The 24 inch gives me better velocity that I feel makes the 6.5 Grendel more effective on game. Speed helps and also translates to better foot ponds of energy within the cartridge limits, on game. Both are pretty accurate. The big benefits to the 20 inch barrel is ease of getting in and out of the truck faster, should you need to. Also neither would be a good choice for a added suppressor. The 18 inch would be ideal for that. Thanks for watching and your question.

Thank you for wisdom as usual sir! Would similar results be achieved with the 6.5 creedmoor? In terms of 20vs 24in barrel?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, (with an understanding that no two rifles are alike) expect about 20-25 fps increase per inch of additional barrel length, for factory loads.

@bustersmith5569

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 thats per inch of barrel ? TY..

Your test would have been better if it was done with a standard factory load such as 123 gr. Hornady Black, so that the deviation due to barrel lengths would have been repeatable for anyone else. Changing powders and quantities could skew the results.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. I have no factory loads. The exact same cartridges were shot in both rifles . Both rifles complete uppers are identical from the same maker the only difference is the 4 inches in length.

Thank you for your information. Two questions. I do not reload because that is a rabbit hole I don't want to go down yet however I will be using hornady black eld match and the custom set. Which on do you think is the better option? Second I intend to use a drop trigger from timmey. What do youbthink about drop-in triggers?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

I only had experience with the Hornady version that had the 123 grain SST whose results were 1-2" groups. The better results were Federal Fusion 120 grain factory offerings. "Timney" drop in triggers are very good and will improve trigger pull accuracy. I use triggers by Rise Armament 3-3.5#.

I think those velocities are fine. A little hot but that rig should be more than capable to handle it. I use 31.0 gr. Of AA2520 using a 125gr. Monolithic solid copper In a 16" and get 2453avg FPS with zero signs of pressure not even an extractor swipe in 90 degree weather. Now if you really want to push this cartridge in an AR platform I would recommend a Unitah precision bolt action upper. Nice thick bolt solid action.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment and for watching. The velocities were alarming in the 24". However, the cases showed no abnormalities from my rifle. The Grendel max pressure is rated at 52,000 psi. I have no way to verify that pressure level in my rifle and I certainly don't want to damage my BCG. The disclaimer is always "Your results may vary, so start low and work up cautiously."

@ryanhutchinson3550

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 hahaha! Ain't that the truth. It can get a little unpredictable when you get close to the edge. That's why I don't like to shoot alone just in case something catastrophic happens. I've seen the grendel cases handle alot more than people think they can. I don't think it's the cases that have too many issues, it's the guns sheering a locking lug or the extractors breaking that the issue. But that's just my non-expert opinion.

In most of the Grendel load data I've seen, the fastest velocities come from Pro Varmint and Tac.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, on PP Varmint.

Dave Strohmeyer - Saddle Up Shootin' Dave, I like many have watched your workup on the 6.5 Grendel. You have several vids on the subject and I know this vid is on velocity. However, with the work you've done what have you found to be the most accurate?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

I have found Power pro Varmint @29-30gns, depending on bullet weight to give me the best consistency. Accuracy of course is 50% or more on me and as shown in the videos, I am the weakest link.

I am asking because I have a 6.5 grendel at 20” and trying to gather any and all backed up info I can I have heard a lot of people say the 6.5 grendel zips straight through deer and have lost trace and never found them and trying to find out if this is true or if I should use a specific round that will keep this from happening

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Alexander Arms, the creator of the Grendel has 2 manuals for reloading Volume 1 and Volume 2 that can be purchased online. In his manuals and on various forums you will see loads and FPS for the 123 grain top out at 2450 -2500 fps.. As far as the what the bullet does on deer sized game, bullet construction, distance to target and shot placement has more to do with actual terminal ballistics as bow hunters have had arrows zip right through a deer at 250fps. See my previous video on bullet construction

you should try some Lapua 108/gr. with the powerpro varmit..or some factory 110/gr. PPU ammo..they shoot great in my BCA 6.5 24" grendel

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks John for the suggestion and thanks for watching...

On the 24” Gun if there isn’t any problems with the brass why is 2626 a problem when the groups are good the faster the better and more energy down range ? If it’s doing that in a gas gun in a bolt gun it should be almost 28 to 2900 is that right

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, All the brass checked out...But I am fairly new to the AR platforms and therefore overly cautious because of the bolt lugs, extractor and gas tube. They are made to withstand only so much PSI pressure and usually speed and pressure go hand and glove...But you are right and my load development turned out to be "Good to Go" I don't own a bolt rifle in the Grendel, so I cannot comment on that...Thanks for your comment and for watching..

I have a Bca 24” grendel heavy spiral fluted steel barrel. I haven’t shot it yet . In your opinion for hunting is this close to 308 ? I like the grendal because it fits the ar 15 platform. Just interested in this because the internet is mixed unless you try it for yourself. And my guess is you have

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Well, The two cartridges are different.. The 308 allows for more powder and larger and heavier bullets that provide more energy on target within it's ballistic range to 500 yards. The Grendel is a great deer shooter up to it's limits, which in my opinion is max 300 yards. Energy is the key to a humane quick kill, then proper bullet construction is a close second...Aim and proper bullet placement is also paramount. Thanks for your kind question and for watching.

@brianamo3393

4 жыл бұрын

Dave Strohmeyer thank you sir for your reply! Yes I think the 308 is still great , and the other large 30 cals as well . The grendal has its promises but I believe it’s the best new military round , and perfect for deer and hogs at a reasonable range . I appreciate your reply

Should look into 130 grain accubond. Sitting over IMR 8208 XBR.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

I am a big fan of the Nosler Accubond and I have harvested many animals in larger and faster (over 3,000 fps) firearms. Thanks for your kind suggestions and for watching.

Thank you I wanted know what extra 4" would bring

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and your kind comment.

How much pressure are we talking, at 2625 feet per second? Is it simply somewhat over the "recommended" maximum pressure, or is it dangerously above? You were still very accurate at 2600 feet per second; and, more velocity equals more foot pounds... Win/Win?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe for your question. Max velocity for a 120 grain bullet in a gas gun and to stay within the thinner bolt face and bolt lugs tolerances, is the low 2,500 fps range. Now that being said, my cases showed no excessive pressure signs however I did drop down 1 full grain of the powder that showed higher velocity.

How much speed do I lose with a 16 inch barrel? (6.5 Grendel) Thanks.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your question. A general rule of thumbs is 20-25 feet per second, per inch inch of barrel length. 8 inches of barrel would be 160-200fps. Loss or gain of velocity has other variables in addition to the length of barrel rule of thumb.

I have a BCA 18 inch heavy barrel and when the barrel is cool it's right on but when it's warmed up it opens to about an 8 inch group at 100 yds cold it's less then 1 moa T 100 yds. I will put a 24 inch barrel on the same platform and see if it gets any better.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill for your comment...My grendels have a nitch as a truck gun for shots on game to 300 yds...I rarely shoot more than 10 rounds at the bench without a rifle change...I have never tried a mag dump to give an opinion on groups opening up do to excessive heat...

@billjensen6216

3 жыл бұрын

Thank for the reply I will box it up and get ahold of them.

@russstockton3784

3 жыл бұрын

@@billjensen6216 I would be curious to know what warmed up means. Opening to 8 inches is pretty incredible compared to what I've experienced with other calibers and other types of guns. It seems maybe the stress relief treatment on your barrel is bad? But that also seems if that were the case then it would move your point of impact rather give you minute of pie platter accuracy?

I am trying to decide between the 2. Do you know the weights? I Did not see it listed on their website.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Both are equal weight because of the heavy barrel. My rifles with scope mounted are 9.4 lbs . The 20 inch is a little quicker to handle for standing shots. the 24 inch provides more velocity with the same loads.

No book tests it in a 24" barrel do they? Don't they test 20 or 22?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your watching and your question. My data sources are from Speer and Sierra published test data. They both show a 24 inch test barrel for their results and max velocity listed for the powders I used was 2,500+or-fps. I suspect there data came from a test barrel or a bolt action. Care has to be taken on a gas gun due to the Saami 52,000 max pressure limits that can cause bolt, lugs and gas tube catastrophic failure. sierrabullets.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/sierra-bullets-65-grendel-load-data-112817.pdf

@AlaskanBallistics

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 i immediately looked it up after i commented and the hornady manual online uses a 18" barrel

How is the recoil on the 6.5? I ask because I have a total shoulder replacement on my shooting side. I have an AR-10 in 7.62 x 51 that has a pretty good kick to it, how does the kick compare to that? I have a lower waiting on an upper and I really like what I see with the Grendel. I am moving to AZ soon and want an AR with more range than my current 5.56, thank you.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

The recoil of the 6.5 Grendel is about 7 lbs. More than a .556 and less than a .243. A muzzle break can be installed to reduce the felt recoil to that of a .223/.556.

@charliedee9276

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Thank you! I will be ordering a 20" based on that.

Hey Dave, an old guy here but I love the Gren. I have a Stag Upper with a X-caliber 24 inch barrel, 1:7 twist and rifle plus 2 gas system with adjustable block. I get 2540 fps with Nosler 129 grain ABLR rounds. I have been only shooting out to 700 yards with it but it is accurate and hits hard even at that range. I do believe I can make hits at a thousand but at 75 I don't feel like I really want to go that far as we have to walk to our targets and it is on a 9+ percent grade. I have no problem taking the Gren hunting as I am more than confident it will do the trick, but wildfires took out my hunting ground last fall. Now I have to find another place to hunt this fall, unless there are more fires. How did the brass look after the 2600 plus fps velocities? I have had 2613 with AR Comp and just can't find Varmint anymore, not anything of other powder either. Thanks for the video.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

You are a better man than me!...500 yards is my limit with the Grendel. 250-300 yds for deer hunting. Out west we look forward to the year after a fire as new feed emerges and old brush and slag make horse travel easier and open up distances to see game. Deer and elk like to role in the ash to alleviate ticks. I have not yet got the long range addiction because as stated, I use primarily hunting and not high BC target bullets. I have to many other rifles for stretching out the point blank energy needed for mid to large game. The cases of the 2,600+ fps fired Grendel were fine and have since been reloaded several times. Thanks for your comment and for watching.

@wj9954

3 жыл бұрын

What brass do you use? I am a Starline fan as I have used Hornady and Winchester as well. The Starline doesn't strech like the other two do, at least for me.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

@@wj9954 Federal brass from previously fired factory ammo for the Speer gold dot. Starline brass for the Sierra PH. I always full length re-size and measure to the suggested trim to length with calipers then trim when needed. Chamfer and deburr/bevel every time.

@wj9954

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Thanks, I try to stay with the recorded loads but sometimes I get a little adventure some when I am around my grandson. You have a good evening.

I am a bit confused. Did you mean to imply that longer barrels with the same cartridge create higher chamber pressures? I do not believe this to be correct, as the chamber pressure begins to drop as soon as the bullet has moved, and will be the same for every inch of mutual barrel length even if one barrel is longer than the other. For example, if you use Quickload you will notice that maximum chamber pressures do not change with barrel lengths as you are working up loads in that program. So if a load is safe in a 20 inch barrel it will be safe in a 24 or 26 incher as well. Also, I believe that with an AR's gas system, a gas tube of the same length on 2 different barrel lengths will still transmit about the same gas pressure to the bolt.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input David...I may have misstated, or had a slip of the tongue, as all of my videos are a running dialogue with the video camera and I am limited to my editing ability...It's a good thing to have subscribers contribute for clarification an or correction. I should have made it clear that even with a longer barrel, the increase in velocity from the 24" BCA upper over the 20" BCA upper with the same exact load was extreme and more than the reloading manuals printed velocity for maximum loads...No doubt, pressure increase does contribute to increase velocity . But after checking the fired brass and primer pockets there were no anomalies. A good thing...So a possible explanation and further investigation could lead to chamber tolerance being different between the two rifles...I sure do not want to cause a bolt or other catastrophic failure for extra FPS velocity, (Grendel limit 53,000 PSI), but that being said I do like the accuracy of the rifle and that load. Thanks again for your insight and for watching.

@davidbryce928

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 If you wish, I can run the parameters through Quickload, I have some Grendel stuff already set up in my version. I find it to be a much better source for actual chamber pressures than the more generalized reloading manuals.

Try the barns 100g ttsx with 2520 or 748. Out a 24" tube you get 3400+ fps and very accurate.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

That is very fast indeed! Thanks for you comment and thanks for watching...

@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984

3 жыл бұрын

Is that in the 6.5 Grendel 3400? What load are you using???

@michaellawton5051

3 жыл бұрын

@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 30 grains of W748

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

6.5 grendel or Creedmoor?

Dave no book gets that kind of velocity because they all use barrels in the 16-18 inch range. I have pushed 123 gr Hornady's safely over 2700 fps. Another David

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David. My Hornady #9 book says load data tested in a 24" barrel...But I am happy with the velocity/accuracy because after case inspection and bolt inspection there seemed to be no abnormalities. Thanks for watching.

Is the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 CM the same bullet, I know the CM is on a AR 10 frame and 6.5 Grendel is for AR 15,,,but are they the same for reloading? Trying to find a good 20" barrel but now I'm not sure,,for hunting 24" gets a little long.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, both use the .264 or 6.5mm caliber bullet, however the 6.5 Grendel should not be loaded with the heavier grain weight 6.5 bullets that are better suited to the 6.5 Creedmoor. Either the 20" or the 24" barrel for hunting would be good. Thanks for watching.

@douglasbattjes3991

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 So what should be the max weight for the Grendel and the upper weights for CM rounds, Thanks so much David really appreciate it and quick response. DCB

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

@@douglasbattjes3991 Alexander Arms, the creator of the 6.5 Grendel is the definitive source for the recommended load data. They have 2 books that can be obtained on-line. For deer hunting the 120-123gr. works well. For the Creedmoor, Hornady is the creator and their load data is extensive and easily obtained through internet 6.5 Creedmoor forums. For deer size game, the 140-147 grain bullets are supreme.

Any experience with a 16” AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Not in a Grendel. My rifles are set up as Modern Sporting rifles to mimic the performance that is in my reloading manuals test barrels. But I have owned a 16" carbine AR-15 in 5.56. It shot great but 300 fps slower velocity was not what I was looking for, for hunting. Thanks for your question.

If you’re not seeing any problems with signs of pressure, why does a 2600+ feet per second velocity out of the 24 inch barrel concern you? I’ve always hope people will find combinations that let us push the Grendel just a little bit hotter

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

In a Bolt action rifle, I would not be concerned in the slightest as long as accuracy was still there also. But in a AR-15 platform.. The bolt is only rated to 53,000 PSI max. The Grendel bolt face is quite a bit thinner than the 5.56, so it is possible to damage your bolt, bolt lugs and barrel at the chamber...So I do not want to exceed what the books (egg heads) say is maximum Sammi. standards. Just not worth the worry to squeeze out 5% more velocity.

@38north15

3 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I certainly understand that thinking that you just express. And in general I wouldn’t argue it. We just need to sort out powders and combinations that keep us in the pressure window and push the 123gr a little hotter to about 2650 out of 18” barrels. I think this would really mature the 65 Grendel

How do you feel about the CCMG 20" vs the 22" 6.5 Grendel? I want to hunt medium game and what barrel length would you choose? Thank you for the video.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

With smaller lighter bullets, speed is your friend, so longer barrels typically produce higher velocity thus more energy on target. That speed difference is typically 25fps per inch. As shown in this video I experienced between 100-150 fps difference between the 20 inch barrel and the 24 inch barrel. If you are stand hunting the 24" will work well. The 20" is a little more maneuverable if a quicker shot is necessary. Thanks for watching

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

Have seen people several people take elk and even a good sized black bear and big bodied high desert multiple with the 24 inch 6.5 grendel. One big cow elk at 175 yards and had a through and through clean pass right behind the shoulder and a nice Idaho bull 6x5 shot just over 200 yards where the shoulder was hit on the front side and the bullet rested right under the skin on the far side. The black bear was a boar that weighed about 375lbs not huge, but decent sized took out both lungs didn't go very far at all. Also seen it in action on several hogs of all sizes and the difference on 1 shot drops was huge when switching from 5.56. The muley was weighed at 210lbs quartered out so much heavier when on the hoof, and was shot at 273 yards and was a 1 shot drt.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

I think all was shot with hornady custom 123gr sst except the bull which was shot with the hornady black load. And several of the pigs, not all though were shot with wolf 100gr military ball.

How's that recoil on the 6.5 Grendel? I've heard people say it's like a 223, but from watching your video it seems to send you back a bit. If I could find an extremely low recoil 6mm or 6.5mm round for hunting I would be very happy and the Grendel seems like it could be a winner. So I'd like to hear your thoughts on recoil if you have a moment please.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

Recoil is subjective to the individual, but can be measured by the law of physics...The best resource I've seen is the "Recoil tables, by Chuck Hawks" accessed through Google...To answer your question in short. The Recoil energy of the 6.5 Grendel is 8.9lbs and the recoil energy of a .223 is 3.2lbs...So it is safer to say the Recoil of a 6.5 Grendel is closer to that of a .243 Win...But I think the recoil of the Grendel is not unpleasant...

@mattcomchoc2957

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a pretty recoil-averse shooter. I have a 20" heavy barrel AR pattern rifle chambered in Grendel, with a large optic and mount. I have no issues firing the weapon. I would liken that gun's recoil, that weighs about 10 pounds, to the recoil of a naked 6lb 223 AR, which makes sense: 50% more muzzle energy, but the gun is 50% heavier, and they kinda "cancel-out", or at least it feels that way in my uncalibrated shoulder.

@LRRPFco52

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what load you shoot and what the rifle weight is. 90gr TNT and 95gr Lehigh Controlled Chaos feel almost recoilless to me from my very lightweight Lilja 17.6” Wasp profile barreled AR15. 100gr and up will generate more recoil that isn’t as bad as 7.62x39 in an AK or SKS, somewhere in-between those and the .223 Rem in the AR15. Reciprocating mass effects recoil will also depend on how the gas system is set up. The large the port and closer it is to the chamber, the more perceived recoil from the reciprocating mass you will feel. A well-tuned rifle will feel like a pussycat compared to the exact same rifle with too large of a gas port. My kids shoot Grendel without a problem and they’re still pretty little. A 6mm AR or 6mm ARC is very low recoiling if it has a heavy barrel, but the 85-95gr loads in Grendels feel the same.

@Wildwestwrangler

2 жыл бұрын

I shoot the 6.5 grendel and I have a torn spinal cord, and am disabled with limited range of motion in my arms and a very weak partially paralyzed leg. You can do it. It's better than a 308 bolt gun or 30-06, which I have fired, but hurt like he'll after having spinal surgery. If I can, you can.

@davidgreenapple9397

2 жыл бұрын

@@Wildwestwrangler Thanks all for the positive words about 6.5 Grendel. It 21 months later and since writing my comment above, I bought a CZ 527, dressed it up with some great add-ons and I've been shooting hundreds of rounds at the range with it and gone hunting once. It's a great round and a great rifle. Love it!!!

Do you have any recommendations for a complete 24" upper in 6.5 Grendel?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Sanders Armory. Good people.

@russdennis7026

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I bought the 20" and love it. Great Company.

I wonder what the weight difference for the two is?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

As shown, 20" is 9lbs 4oz...24" is 10lbs

What magazine are you using?

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

3 жыл бұрын

E-Landers 10 round.

I meant to say hornady sst

The first sign of overpressure is a flattened primer which you do not have. You aren't even close to the velocity limit. The poor accuracy was telling you that the bullet was being underpowered. And by what it appears, it was under powered by quite a bit. You weren't even getting a decent group at a hundred and twenty five yards. 120 grain 6.5 Grendel should be easily capable of producing muzzle velocities comfortably above what you've indicated so far, even with the 20 inch barrel

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input.

I’ve killed big pigs and whitetail with my 16 inch Grendel. To each his own but I don’t understand putting long barrels on a carbine. That’s like a 10 inch barrel on a 7 mag lol.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your input. Both of the rifles in this video are not in the carbine class, they have rifle length gas systems, heavy barrels and heavier buffers to handle the increase in velocity. They are configured for long range shooting and hunting. I am glad that your set up works well for you. Thanks for watching.

I have a 11.5 inch barrel and i shoot 129 bullets.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

4 жыл бұрын

That's sounds like a nice set up..Thanks for your comment and for watching

Reloading manuals are always conservative.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

I have found the manuals to be good guidelines. Each rifle is a law unto itself and the manuals guidelines can give reloaders a range in which to operate. Also the ballisticians from the bullet makers can be a great resource. Thanks for your comment.

@VG-913

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 if you pay attention to max chamber pressures and max load pressures in the manuals they leave a decent zied gap alot. If you have a good quality gun you can squeeze more out safely without worrying about damaging rifle or body.

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

@@VG-913 I agree to a point. With the "Gas guns" even a little over pressure can cause major damage to mechanical parts necessary for safe operation. In a bolt action rifle, pressure tolerances are much higher but each manufacturers case tolerances differ significantly. I see your moniker is 7.62..In my 24" .308 win. I ran into high pressure, high velocity and sticky bolt lift with CFE-223 at 3 grains below listed Max. So I say again, Each rifle is a law unto itself and listed loads in a manual are "Guidelines"

@VG-913

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 AR10s are not exactly the most reliable platform. They also have tolerance issues since there is no "mil spec." it's 7.62 for 7.62x39 lol.

"Without further adu" 2x before you started shooting.

First, enjoy your videos , can only use bolt guns fl

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting.

HMM

My book goes to 2700 fps...

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

With a 120 grain bullet in a AR-15? What book is that?

bear creek barrels are bottom of the barrel ,barrels meaning garbage barrels

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

Mine shoot pretty good.

@garyjohns4711

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 well that depends on what pretty good is?

@garyjohns4711

2 жыл бұрын

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 i recommend Wilson, White Oak, and Criterion if you like better than pretty good

@larryodiaga6000

Жыл бұрын

@@garyjohns4711 I reload, have 24 inch bear creek upper and I get 1/2 inch groups at 200 yds,and a little under 3 inches at 300 hundred yds using 95 gr hornady v-max and benchmark powder.....dont know if this good or not but bear creek shoots great for me

What is benchnark powder? Lol jk

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

2 жыл бұрын

HaHa. You are the first one to catch that error. N and M are too close on the keyboard for us two finger typist.