The Back 40

The Back 40

A channel to chronicle our deer hunting and habitat improvement projects, along with a variety of work we do out on our 42 acres in Michigan, which we call "The Back 40".

We'll also share 20+ years of experience on a variety of other topics so you can learn from my mistakes (and a few successes), along with product reviews to help you determine what is best for your situation.

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  • @vervi1jw1
    @vervi1jw12 күн бұрын

    I had a local consultant come out to my property in Michigan. He was cheaper than others and was available. Charged 1200 for my 66 acres. The plan was ok but was mostly a repeat of the ideas i already had and didn't really add anything new. A little frustrating. That being said, i had a great season last year. But I now have Jeff Sturgis coming out in August. It is expensive, but it will probably save me money and mistakes in the long run to develop my property.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Күн бұрын

    Thank you for sharing with us, might save someone from going throught the same experience you had with the first consultant. Congrats on your great year! Hope Jeff meets your expectations, I have learned a lot from his books and videos to help me put together my property. I am confident he will help you successfully develop your property faster than going it alone. All the best to you.

  • @newslavecity8311
    @newslavecity83112 күн бұрын

    youre really over complicating things. all that math and calculations arent gunna help if you dont have a green thumb.

  • @theback40
    @theback402 күн бұрын

    I have great skill at over complicating things! All the best to you.

  • @4schitzangiggles
    @4schitzangiggles3 күн бұрын

    The reason for dputtingbot down a d driving 500ft in the field is depending on soil type, soil moisture and even temperature of the soil can cause the driver roller to slip and throw off your calibration/application rate.

  • @theback40
    @theback402 күн бұрын

    Great point, I never thought of that! This process assumes 100% contact and perfect roller performance, which is probably not always true out in the field, hmmmm. All the best to you.

  • @vervi1jw1
    @vervi1jw16 күн бұрын

    How is that Tar river drill holding up? Looking to get one myself. Also, where did you get yours? I'm near Traverse City and can't find any nearby.

  • @theback40
    @theback405 күн бұрын

    So far, so good. Seems to be holding up well to this point. For food plotting, it gets the job done. All the best to you.

  • @vervi1jw1
    @vervi1jw15 күн бұрын

    @theback40 That's great! Any leads on where to purchase one in Michigan?

  • @theback40
    @theback404 күн бұрын

    @@vervi1jw1 I purchased mine at Burnips Equipment in Coopersville.

  • @charlesnorman1072
    @charlesnorman10728 күн бұрын

    I spray at spring then in the late to mid summer. Then I'll seed after it dies I'll also frost seed too. I've never sprayed them seed not long after spraying

  • @theback40
    @theback408 күн бұрын

    Hey Charles, thanks for the info. I'm thinking I might be doing the same thing this year. All the best to you.

  • @charlesnorman1072
    @charlesnorman10728 күн бұрын

    @@theback40 your welcome

  • @littlewoody5539
    @littlewoody55399 күн бұрын

    Are the g5 Monte shaving sharp ?

  • @theback40
    @theback408 күн бұрын

    Yes, scarey sharp for sure. All the best to you.

  • @roblank8702
    @roblank870220 күн бұрын

    Love your videos!! Typically answers a ton of questions running through my head. I am only one year in to building my 58 acre hunting property

  • @theback40
    @theback4019 күн бұрын

    Hey Rob, congrats on your property! All the best to you.

  • @OfftoShambala
    @OfftoShambala20 күн бұрын

    Hmm… do they make stuff like that box spreader for a truck or suv tow hitch?

  • @theback40
    @theback4020 күн бұрын

    I have seen tow behind "GRADERS", which are similar in concept. I haven't used one before, so can't say how effective they are. My biggest question would be can they be adjusted to develop a crown on the drive? All the best to you.

  • @theback40
    @theback4017 күн бұрын

    Look what KZread fed to me this morning, might be what you are looking for: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mpNlsamipbSTpLA.html

  • @triplelranch
    @triplelranch21 күн бұрын

    So, you are drilling in the corn, soybeans, oats and clover all in the same pass? You will then come back in a few days and spray? Is this correct?

  • @theback40
    @theback4020 күн бұрын

    Correct. Just have to get the spraying done sometime before the seeds germinate. All the best to you.

  • @timburke2785
    @timburke278525 күн бұрын

    My suggestion is to separate your feed plots from your kill plots. Feed plots consisting of soybeans are fantastic if they don’t get over browsed before the get established. I use clover as my go to for kill plots. The clover plot must be large enough to support the deer until winter stunts it’s growth but the deer will hammer it all fall during early hunting season. The only thing better than clover is alfalfa so also consider it as well but much harder to grow. FYI, planting feed corner is a no no if you get caught the seed company might make your life miserable….. good luck love your common sense approach!

  • @theback40
    @theback4023 күн бұрын

    Hey Tim, thank you for taking the time to give us feedback. And yes, I've planted just soy beans back in my "traditional" farming technique days, and they are all wiped out a few weeks after germination. We'll see how it goes this year when hidden in a mix? I have heard good things about Alfalfa, and I plan to do some recon to see if I can find a strain that will work here, mainly looking for one that can withstand lower temperatures so it is attractive into November here in Michigan. And did I say I was planting "feed corn"? Silly me, I meant to say "seed corn"....... 😉

  • @Brokehunter1
    @Brokehunter126 күн бұрын

    Your food plot looks awesome! Take a look at the Packer Maxx Crimper Combo. It is $1,324.99. I just used it for the first time and it worked very well for me in South Carolina. You can pull it with a 4-wheeler, UTV, or tractor. Thanks for the video's.

  • @theback40
    @theback4025 күн бұрын

    Hey Spencer, thanks, I'll check it out for sure. Does it just terminate the rye and cover crop, or does it get the weeds, too?

  • @Brokehunter1
    @Brokehunter122 күн бұрын

    @@theback40 it terminated ryegrass, winter oats, clover, most of the lespedeza, and some of the other weeds. It didn't kill everything. It did create a great mat over the seed I threw out. It appears to be keeping the weeds at bay. I had germination in about 5 days with 1 light rain. That part I was very happy about. This is the first time I have used this method. So far I am very pleased. (FYI I did want the clover!)

  • @theback40
    @theback4022 күн бұрын

    @@Brokehunter1 Thanks. Please keep me updated on how it performs. I was just looking at their website and realized they are located about 15 miles from me.

  • @Brokehunter1
    @Brokehunter15 сағат бұрын

    @@theback40 The food plot is looking great after the rains we've had! Where the crimped "mat" is thick, there are zero weeds. Where we had exposed ground after the crimp, there is lespedeza popping up. Having said that, I would think spray and crimp for the first year or so. That way you keep the weeds down until that mat is created. Let me know what you think.

  • @mtnmallard
    @mtnmallard27 күн бұрын

    How did you fertilize? I have a tar river drill and would love to not disk

  • @theback40
    @theback4026 күн бұрын

    Hey Michael, I have not fertilized since starting no-till over 5 years ago. That's all part of the seed mix selection. It has amazed me how the legumes have pumped (free) nitrogen into the soil, and how the brassica's have pulled up minerals from deeper in the soil, but mostly how the fungi and micro-organisms have somehow converted so much in the soil to usable nutrition for all of the plant varieties. It's hard to get out of the "soil sample for fertilizer and lime recommendations", but no-till is a different process that will cure most ills over a few seasons without adding anything. Our assignment is to pick and plant a variety of species that will benefit our soil, and then control the weeds. All the best to you.

  • @armandogutierrez5301
    @armandogutierrez530128 күн бұрын

    Thank you!!!!

  • @theback40
    @theback4028 күн бұрын

    Hey Armando, hope it helps. All the best to you.

  • @roberthicks4794
    @roberthicks4794Ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for sharing your “ real life” experience with us. Very helpful.

  • @theback40
    @theback4029 күн бұрын

    Hey Robert, thanks for the kind words. All the best to you.

  • @2011akbound
    @2011akboundАй бұрын

    I'm a NW Lower MI sand farmer too. Switch to NT and crimping last year. The results from the drill are incredible. The results from crimping, as far as a weed control, was disappointing. Mare's Tail (or whatever you call it) is the bane of my foodplot existence. I got my thistle under control by adding 1 qt 2,4d to my gly application. Every year there seems to be a new pestilence invading my fields! Keeps things interesting and increases my respect for the farmers who make a living on this type of work! Oh, and kudos for the drill calibration video, that helped me to understand the calibration on my 505. Thanks!

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Thanks for the feedback. Seems like quite a few of us are in the same boat with weed control. If the Mare's Tail is still there, maybe adding some Dicamba would do the trick, it did at my place. All the best to you.

  • @figandcloverranch5871
    @figandcloverranch5871Ай бұрын

    The corn 🌽will love the Clover if it can jump up above it !! That clover ☘️will pump Nitrogen into the growing corn and suppress the weeds 👍🏼👍🏼

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    That's what we're all hoping for! We'll know next year how well it worked. All the best to you.

  • @figandcloverranch5871
    @figandcloverranch5871Ай бұрын

    Great video, I am NoTill Planting this weekend in NY myself in my small plots . Feeling all your points 👨🏻👍🏼

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Thanks. Misery loves company right? Best of luck in your planting this weekend, hope you get a well timed rain. All the best to you.

  • @figandcloverranch5871
    @figandcloverranch5871Ай бұрын

    @@theback40 lol , yep 😂 . Should get a burst of rain tonight by me when I am done today … HappyPlottin’

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    @@figandcloverranch5871 Perfect!

  • @joesparacino5529
    @joesparacino5529Ай бұрын

    Hello friend it’s Joe from upstate NY hope all is well and you knocked it out of the park!! This is exactly what I feel a lot of people are looking for!!! Where to apply the things to improve habitat! Or the how to setup! Nobody but you has this l, I imagine the likes responses and views will explode! Appreciate all the hard work and time you put into these things!

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Joe, thanks! All the best to you.

  • @brianwest4126
    @brianwest4126Ай бұрын

    Great video. I too am in my fourth and now fifth fall of no till food plots. I too have drought almost every year and Sandy Lely soil and have experience exactly what you were talking about with the dry soil and weeds.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Brian, we'll get this figure out over time, right? All the best to you.

  • @hc8771
    @hc8771Ай бұрын

    I'm curious, why not just a bucket to back drag? I've bought a box blade but I find it slower to spread and level. Great for turning up the gravel in the back for weed control.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    I didn't find the bucket to have enough volume of aggregate to fill the holes properly and smooth the surface, just too inconsistent for me. It also doesn't allow for slope creation for drainage to prevent the pot holes, and continued maintenance compared to the box blade. AND, driving backward on a half mile driveway multiple times? Nah. All the best to you.

  • @seanbalch7563
    @seanbalch7563Ай бұрын

    Greens and grains. Sounds dynamite

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Sean, agreed! All the best to you.

  • @seanbalch7563
    @seanbalch7563Ай бұрын

    Is Marestail roundup resistant?

  • @theback40
    @theback4029 күн бұрын

    Hey Sean, yes. I used a combo of gly, 2-4D, and Dicamba last year and it wiped it out. All the best to you.

  • @scotwolf9280
    @scotwolf9280Ай бұрын

    Milestone will fry thistle

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Scot, thanks. I'll have to look into this one. All the best to you.

  • @gregtrende8290
    @gregtrende8290Ай бұрын

    Mark, do yourself a favor and invest in the crimper, put the sprayer back in storage. No need to feed the deer, you, or your family more glyphosate! If you are compelled to spray a little check out Contact Organics. I just ordered a gallon to experiment with. Thx

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Greg, thanks. Let us know how that stuff works, could be a great alternative. All the best to you.

  • @tompeterson3296
    @tompeterson3296Ай бұрын

    Hi Mark.....Thanks for a Great video on your experiences with the drill. Your results are close to what I experience here in Northern MN on sandy land. I do have. crimper but last year I never used it....electing to use Glyphosate as well (In July) and then flail mowed the rye....which worked pretty good. (The clover persisted through the glyphosate application.) I do plant red and white clovers on all 7 acres of food plots each year. I do get good clover carryover each year....but add a few lbs of each when drilling in my rye in late August. I also need to kill that clover to grow brassica....as I find the clover outcompetes my attempts at brassica. Just yesterday I drilled some North Woods Whitetail Sorghum into some strips in the clover plots to get some added cover and create biomass. As always...experimenting for the future. Your results are so similar to mine.....and I thank you for putting this up on your channel my friend.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Tom, thanks for the feedback. Good idea overseeding the clover each season, I'll have to implement this one. Let us know how the sorghum performs, or I'll check your KZread channel for a follow up video. Did you publish anything on why you chose spraying vs crimping?

  • @tompeterson3296
    @tompeterson329626 күн бұрын

    @@theback40 Hey Mark. Trying to remember my decision to spray......and I believe I was trying to get rid of a flush of grasses and weeds with the herbicides. I still am tolerating excess weeds in my plots as I write this. But this year I plan to roller crimp and possibly spot spray some areas. My sprayer is broke right now.....and I am waiting on a replacement to ship for this years efforts.

  • @theback40
    @theback4025 күн бұрын

    @@tompeterson3296 Had to fix my sprayer, too. Thought I had drained all the water out last fall, but there was still enough in there to freeze and expand and crack a fitting, so that set me back a week waiting for the part.

  • @habitatsolutions360llc3
    @habitatsolutions360llc3Ай бұрын

    Great update Mark, I agree theres times weed control needs to part of your plan or youll pay for it the following season.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Jake, thank you. I'm good at learning the hard way, LOL. I just watched your Seclusion update yesterday, seems to be a drift in foodplot plantings to go back in the clover direction again? All the best to you. I recommend anyone reading this watch this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e5N4layCn6jbpLg.html.

  • @Yegjesh
    @YegjeshАй бұрын

    I have a relatively small 17 acre parcel in SW Wisconsin and struggled like everyone else to strike the right balance of time / money. I try to limit my annual costs to about the $600 range (it was half that ten years ago). At this point I have two plots that are about 1 acre total - after spring turkey hunting and lime spreading (the best time to fix your ph by planting season in August) I don’t set foot on the property until the 3rd or 4th week in July. I rent a walk behind brush hog (I can rent one for ten plus years and it still would not equal cost of buying one for a once a year use) and bust @$$ for 6 hours mowing all the plots. I come back in 1-2 weeks and spray gly while hand broadcasting the first phase of seeds. A week before the opener has me throwing down the second seeds (mostly winter rye and buckwheat) and then after collecting my trail cam cards / final fine tuning of the stands I don’t set foot on the property until my first hunt. No I don’t have perfect food plots but what I do have is a perfect spring fawning property and most weeds have finished their seeding life (ie this concept alone will drive you nuts fighting it all year). What is left sprouts in the 1-2 weeks after mowing really gets impacted by the gly since it is in such a vulnerable / weakened state. All that ground up mowing residue has degraded perfectly for retaining moisture / covers the seeds while they germinate without smothering them. If there is drought then the last preseason buckwheat and rye seeding will save the day. Not perfect but I’m not there to feed the deer all year - they have more than enough food all summer - I also have extra time to spend with the family - you never get that time back….

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Good point, we just need the plots to work for hunting season if they have plenty of other year around food sources. Sounds like you have your system dialed in, nice job. All the best to you.

  • @BradFess-jo8to
    @BradFess-jo8toАй бұрын

    I hired Josh Raley with Whitetail Partners. I like their approach. They are a team of guys, with a guy for each state/area they work in. Hes knows the local habitat, nuances, etc. He did all those things you mentioned Mark. Approx 1 hr video call before, nreakfast the morning of with more questions, spent the better part of a day walking all 200 acres. He listened, educated us, and adapted around the property. Produced a gorgeous plan, interactive map and a series of videos that broke the entire plan down by region. I could not be happier with the service he provided. He will even come back out and work along side you to implement parts of the plan you arent as confident about. Could I have figured it out eventually, yes, Im sure of it. Did he drastically shorten my learning curve, bring fresh ideas and earn every single penny I paid him, ABSOLUTELY! 10/10 Would reccomended him 100x over

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Brad, thank you for taking the time to share with us. I agree that we could all eventually figure it out, but it's the time it costs us to do so, years and years vs. a day with a GOOD consultant. The plan is done, now it's time to get to work! All the best to you.

  • @jaredb9909
    @jaredb9909Ай бұрын

    I’m with ya buddy I like the no till but I haven’t been able to make it work without some occasional herbicide applications

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Jared, thanks for the feedback. Seems like there are quite a few of us doing this now based on the feedback from this video over the last couple of days. All the best to you.

  • @justinkelley4984
    @justinkelley4984Ай бұрын

    Deer like the clover because they prefer a forb over a grass like rye. Also what was your Organic matter 5 years ago to what it is now doing no till practice?

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Justin, I didn't get it tested this year, been doing it every other year. I did it last year and the test didn't show an increase, but a subscriber very knowledgeable in soil reviewed the test reports and pointed out that it was probably because the lab changed the testing method from the previous comparison, so it was apples to oranges (very disappointing). I can say that my observations in the vigor of the plantings has increased each year, and this past year was outstanding. But, I readily admit, this is subjective, and could be confirmation bias on my part. All the best to you.

  • @keadog1838
    @keadog1838Ай бұрын

    Good info. I have a Tar River as well and yes weeds are still a problem. I like the clover idea. I have denser soil and am having a problem getting good depth with the soybeans but can't afford a heavier drill so I just keep plodding along. Really don't like spraying but might have to after all.

  • @BradFess-jo8to
    @BradFess-jo8toАй бұрын

    Same here. In central GA and heavy clay. Tried Soybeans this weekend and had issues getting them in deep enough. It was my first time with a drill. I have the Greenscape 750 drill and it's in between the Tar River and Genesis drill in terms of weight. Possibly it's my improper set up, but I had same issues

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Seems like a lot of us are starting to spray. Unfortunate, but necessary. None of the methods are going to be perfect, so we keep learning and adapting the best we can. All the best to you.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Brad, never heard of Greenscape, but just checked their website. Curious on your thoughts after using it for a while, let us know. @@BradFess-jo8to

  • @BradFess-jo8to
    @BradFess-jo8toАй бұрын

    @theback40 Mine is actually an LMC drill, but it's made by Greenscape. It's their 750 model, re-badged and painted to be sold under the LMC brand name. I stink at operating it and I'm 100% sure it was user error/setup issue. I bought the drill because it's between the Tar River and the Genesis/PM Outdoors. I was going to buy the Tar River based off your videos, but I have clay soils and I was worried about the weight. I believe my drill is about 1200 lb, so in between the Tar River and the Genesis, and it's in between on price as well. Has trays in the front where you can add extra weights, definitely built more HD than the Tar River, but not as crazy as the Genesis. Large and small seed box. Small seeds dump into a splash pan and it has a cast iron cultipacker across the back for closing up the rows. I just need more time to play with it, but looking forward to MANY years of planting with it. Grateful for all the knowledge you share and hoping to also be at the 5 year mark of No-till in a few years.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    @@BradFess-jo8to Sounds like a perfect drill. I would be happier to get one a little more heavy duty than the Tar River, but so far, so good. You'll get yours figured out.

  • @DavidFrater800
    @DavidFrater800Ай бұрын

    Spot on video. Good luck with your current experiment.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey David, thanks. All the best to you.

  • @freetired
    @freetiredАй бұрын

    Anyone know where a drill can be rented in s.e. michigan, trouble finding any for rent nearby?

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Check to see if you have a Pheasants Forever chapter in your area, they usually have one available.

  • @freetired
    @freetiredАй бұрын

    Another helpful video. You save us so much trial & error. What is smallest & largest seed you can plant with your tar river equipment?

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    I have only planted mixes with it so far, so can't really say for sure based on my experience. However, a few guys have tried small seeds like clover and had a problem with a gaps between the seed bin and seed cups where small seed can pour out. They closed the gaps with shims or caulk and then it seems to work really well.

  • @rharrell1
    @rharrell1Ай бұрын

    Leafy weeds indicate the soil is too bacterial to correct brown thatch needs to develop then roll it down into the soil after the season is over probably would be better contact when the soil is wet. If there is woody weeds like black berry the soil is too fungal correction would be to roll green plant matter down onto the soil. If you know anyone with sheep or goats just make a cattle panel corral and move them once or twice a day. They do not drink much water and have never had a jail break from the panels they will clean up leafy weeds but will not eat much of anything with thorns though. I have actually sown small seed like millet by just throwing them on the ground and let the animals hoof action do the planting.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Ugh, I never realized you could have an imbalance like this that would be a detriment. Would love to get livestock on the plots, but too logistically challenging around here. Thanks for the feedback, more for me to learn. All the best to you.

  • @bradbrockhaus633
    @bradbrockhaus633Ай бұрын

    Any regrets on the tar river planter? Thinking of getting one

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Brad, regrets? This is a head scratcher for me right now. I don't have any regrets at the moment, but my fear is always the future problems that might occur because it is light duty. Assembled with nuts and bolts (welding would be much better, but welders are very skilled and very expensive, but worth every penny). The vertical travel of the discs is also very short compared to farm duty drills, which means small undulations in the plots get missed (but still very effective, probably 90%, which is good enough for food plots). If I was given a choice, for the same price, to get a farm duty drill in great condition, or a brand new Tar River, I'd take the farm duty drill. But it takes time, knowledge, and more risk to go that way. I could go on and on, but I'll stop here. Just let me know if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help. All the best to you.

  • @roblank8702
    @roblank8702Ай бұрын

    When do you spray and how many times a year? I'm starting year 2 of my property and weeds are just out of control!!!

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Rob, I've only sprayed once (not counting yesterday), so I wouldn't say I have a lot of experience. However, I sprayed just once last year prior to drilling in the summer planting in early June. I feel it worked really well, as both the summer and then the fall crops did really well. I intend to just do the one spraying again this year. All the best to you.

  • @roblank8702
    @roblank8702Ай бұрын

    Glyphosate will not hurt the clover and ryes?

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    The crimson clover and rye are pretty close to done in June, so I don't mind that they are terminated by gly at that time.

  • @roblank8702
    @roblank8702Ай бұрын

    Awesome thanks for info

  • @CentralMississippiWhitetail
    @CentralMississippiWhitetailАй бұрын

    Yea..I’m gonna start disking and plowing again before my corn. So every third year will get plowed….Im gonna be a partially no till now. Main chemistry..cleth, buytrac, gly, s metolachlor

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    We're all figuring out what works for us, and we're all different. I know a few other guys following the channel that are doing the same thing, tried strict no-till but went back to tilling, but at a much lesser degree. All the best to you.

  • @George-ro6bw
    @George-ro6bwАй бұрын

    Thought-provoking video Mark. I’m interested in knowing what setting you will be using for the corn, soybeans and Sorghum? I purchased a Saya 505 last winter to no-till my heavy clay based food plots. I just planted soybeans using setting #2. I use clover around the fruit trees in my plot. . It helps in deterring groundhogs from hitting the beans.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey George, can't say that I know the setting yet, I have to get the mix in the seed box and do the calibration, and I haven't planted this mix before so don't have a reference. Thanks for letting me know the setting you used, gives me a place to start. All the best to you.

  • @timh8257
    @timh8257Ай бұрын

    Last Spring, I didn’t have any success with “no spray, broadcast, cultipacking no-till planting on my winter rye cover crop. Buckwheat came up, but with the drought last year, It dried up and became very sparse…much like conventional planting. I switched back to conventional planting (spray, fertilizer, till, seed, and roll it in). The soil moisture content with no-till was no different than conventional planting.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Tim, at least you gave it a try and now you know. Broadcasting definitely did not work here either. You either need to get some sort of a drill, or go back to traditional planting. However, I have seen success from a buddy of mine, and others on KZread, that lightly scratch the surface of the soil with their conventional equipment and then broadcast, which has worked very well. Still get most of the no-till benefits. All the best to you.

  • @curtkates9514
    @curtkates9514Ай бұрын

    Mark, love it! You’re a great lab for the rest of us. I think you are exactly right about several things: 1. Drills (I rent a no-till drill) were a game changer for germination in my sandy soil, it’s amazing. 2. Weed control is essential and I learned that from seeing a spot you missed with herbicide last year. I also thought my crop would outcompete weeds, wrong! I’m spraying for now and it makes the diff. I don’t have a crimper either. 3. Three years in (3 falls and 3 springs) and each successive crop has been better than its predecessor, so I’m making progress. Soil is getting darker and improving. 4. I started no-till with my first fall crop being broadcasted, no bueno. Also, my first couple of summer crops dried up and died, the soil had no cover and it dried out quickly. You are a few years ahead of us, but it’s a fun journey and I like the way you scientifically think. My other challenges are different: 1) yaupon is a woody weed that makes either a closed canopy forest impassable or a pasture is overcome and useless, 2) feral hogs love my food plots, and 3) neighbors graze their pastures down to nothing, so their cows break in and have at least partially ruined my fall/winter crop each year - can’t wait to see what an unmolested fall crop looks like. I have also experimented with planting much more than the recommended amount of seed, and I like the results so far. Keep it coming!

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Curt, you make me thankful that my only problem is controllable weeds! Yaupon sounds awful, and feral hogs......ugh. All the best to you.

  • @novchild1968
    @novchild1968Ай бұрын

    I switched over to clover in all my plots with an August planting of forage radishes and annual clovers. September planting of rye over the clover. All no till. My clover is a great weed suppressant once it thickens up. Good luck this year!

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    This is great feedback! Thank you for taking the time to share this, you're giving me hope that maybe I'm on the right track? All the best to you.

  • @danielgales449
    @danielgales449Ай бұрын

    Use humus to spray on food plot Keller Homestead just south of Ionia can provide. I spray on my sweetcorn.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Daniel, thank you for this, I intend to look further into it this weekend. Found their website: www.kellerhomestead.com/. All the best to you.

  • @66rmw
    @66rmwАй бұрын

    We still use lots of clover and chicory. Really like alfalfa puts down a deeper root , stays green in the summer and much more tonnage per acre. NE Mich . They like your old clover better because the root system has gotten deeper and is pulling more minerals out of the soil . We have a no till drill and sprayer for the price of roundup I have a hard time justifying the price of a crimper . No farms by me so our plots get hit hard

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Bob, great to hear, thank you for sharing this. I've thought about alfalfa a few times, but never planted because I thought it died off at first frost? Let me know your experience with it. Or, maybe there's a type that is cold resistance now??? All the best to you.

  • @66rmw
    @66rmwАй бұрын

    @@theback40 it might depend on the variety. I’ve planted the rr variety. They dig through the snow for it and the only thing that greens up faster in the spring is rye . The seed is very expensive, but in the long run it’s cheap because of the tonnage it produces. And the first stand I put in is 5 years old now and still going strong. I would do a soil test to determine if it will work for you. And since you have the sprayer I’ve found foliar feeding has done much better for me than spreading fertilizer, it’s also much easier and allows you to grow more/better plants while you’re amending/building soil

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    @@66rmw Thank you for responding! I'm going to recon this more for next year.

  • @NorthMissouriOutdoors
    @NorthMissouriOutdoorsАй бұрын

    Great share my friend of what you think will work

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Thanks! All the best to you.

  • @NorthMissouriOutdoors
    @NorthMissouriOutdoorsАй бұрын

    @@theback40 same to you

  • @jvin248
    @jvin248Ай бұрын

    Here's what I've found from experimenting: Weeds tell you the field has more bacteria and less fungal balance. Thistle reveals bad compaction (get more good plants growing). Go in the woods and scoop up a five gallon bucket of decayed maple/oak leaf litter and soil, make a very diluted tea from it and dribble/spray that tea around the fields spring or fall (basically not July/August so they can get in the ground without cooking) and you'll increase your worm and other biodiversity, worms do better than grazing cattle per acre for the amount of fertility added. ... Look up Fukuoka One Straw Revolution for ideas how to broadcast seed without a drill (encases seed with clay into beads). .. Plant four to eight species of plants for synergy: Rye, buckwheat, cow peas/lentils/clover, daikon tillage radish, flax, and so on: a mix that gives NPK and insect predator controls. Increase your winter rye seed rate, 2-3bu/ac is common cover so aim at the higher end maybe try 3-4bu/ac. Plant winter rye right around Labor Day for the thickest spring stand. If you wait until the end of September or into October here in lower Michigan the rye stand will be sparse (I have a tradeoff with late corn harvest vs early rye planting; I may broadcast rye into the standing corn this fall and see how that does). .. An alternative to a roller crimper is finding a traditional 'cultipacker' roller and roll down the field one way, turn around and roll back the same path; this flattens most on the first pass but the second pass kinks over the opposite way any that were determined to stand back up and they stay down. Find an old water-filled style suburban lawn-roller to hook behind an ATV/Side by side and go down and back with that. ... If you want to try corn (go with heirloom varieties, deer like the taste a lot more than modern hybrid/gmo) then plant into the green standing rye and when the corn emerges you run the roller to flatten the rye then, not before. Planting is easier plus the rye protects the corn from weeds, crows and rodents eating the seed, and retains moisture until the corn is established.

  • @marchhair01
    @marchhair01Ай бұрын

    I just planted soybeans with a little bit of Milo. When the leaves fall off the soybeans I'm going to try to plant some either brassica or clover. Kind of the same theory that you're going with.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Douglas, let us know how it turns out, that's an interesting mix and strategy for fall planting. All the best to you.

  • @travissmith-wz5nc
    @travissmith-wz5ncАй бұрын

    Dandelion problem in clover chicory????? Ideas??

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Travis, sorry, but I don't have enough experience with it to tell you for sure what works, and I don't want to steer you wrong. All the best to you.

  • @davidvankainen6711
    @davidvankainen6711Ай бұрын

    24D works goiod on my lawn for dandilions. May harm chicory though. My clover and grass are doing fine in the lawn. I wonder if dandilions with their deep roots would complement clover FP in the same way as chicory.

  • @travissmith-wz5nc
    @travissmith-wz5ncАй бұрын

    @@davidvankainen6711 that is my question if they help or hurt. Thanks for your response 👍

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    @@davidvankainen6711 Hey David, thank you for helping out here.

  • @davidvankainen6711
    @davidvankainen6711Ай бұрын

    @@travissmith-wz5nc not a food plot scale, but my home garden sits on heavy clay. Although the bees love the early flowers of dandilions, the wife does not. Those that border the garden, I'll keep the taproot in place to penetrate deep into the clay, but chop off the flower heads to keep the wife happy. If too many, too close to the garden, I'll extract by hand, keeping any herbicides well removed from food. Good place to "plant" some winter rye or more preferable, deep rooted covers, contantly trying to feed the rabbits; keep them out of the veggy garden. I actually had a rabbit select a few stems of winter rye and (grass?) from a blanket of buckwheat cover on a new, too wet clay bed for future garden space. I guess rabbits dont prefer young buckwheat

  • @richarddean3154
    @richarddean3154Ай бұрын

    Thank you for the fine content. I like the mix that Dr. Grant Woods (Growing Deer TV) uses. It gives the deer a lot of variety and does a good job on the soil. Good luck this fall.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    Hey Richard, I like their mixes, too, have had a lot of good luck with them. They have improved the soil here for a few years now. Keep at it! All the best to you.

  • @backhoebucket
    @backhoebucketАй бұрын

    Great video and thank you for all of the information. I live in SE Michigan and my property is exactly like yours: 38 acres sand/loam. I am also no-till working hard on building organic content. I have not found any way around using gly. Good ideas with the clover. I have noticed some of the same with clover on my property. I have had really good luck with Cereal Rye in the sand this last year, planted in August. I also recommend John comp at Northwood Whitetail. Great guy.

  • @theback40
    @theback40Ай бұрын

    I'm fine with having to spray now, was trying to stay away from it in the beginning of this process, but finally figured out it doesn't work that way, and it's nice to hear someone like you has to do the same thing. All the best to you.