My first DLSR was the 12mp D5000. If you cropped more than a little bit, you could notice with a large enough print (for me, usually Super B size) but not by much. If anything, the sensor resolution wasn’t the big issue with the crop sensor Nikon DSLRs, it was always glass. Now that I’ve got all 24 megapixel cameras I crop a lot and can barely tell, maybe with an extreme birding photography shot, but most of the time cropping portraits and landscapes, I can’t even tell sometimes. Sometimes I think about buying a 45mp D850 DSLR as my “dream camera” but glass is just so important that it’ll probably never happen. I’ll probably end up with the last Nikon DSLR, the D780 😂 since I love the ‘look’ of the 700 series sensors.
@ddzang3 сағат бұрын
No…I need one! Give me yours if you don’t want it anymore.
@paulanderson244 сағат бұрын
This camera is an underrated gem. Great to see it getting more and more love.
@pauldby14795 сағат бұрын
S9 was stripped out dumbed down and still far too big -GX80 is far better
@michaelshorts94365 сағат бұрын
I love to use the GX85 with the Olympus 17mm f1.8 as my "walking around" camera.
@annamariafranzoni307 сағат бұрын
this was my first camera ever, i loved it, and i loved to use it with some vintage lens
@masterche19808 сағат бұрын
Where is the mechanical shutter, where is the electronic viewfinder, where is the microphone input, where is the external flash connection, where are the convenient controls in the S9? No? 1500$? S9 goodbye.
@guilherme0stevan9 сағат бұрын
You focus only by lens numbers?? 🤔 Or you see anithing about focus on viewfinder?? Or in this case viewfinder is only for compose??
@GeorgeHolden9 сағат бұрын
Viewfinder just to compose, then focus by distance on the lens using zone focus 😊
@guilherme0stevan8 сағат бұрын
@@GeorgeHolden thanks for explanation! I'm from Brasil, here we can't try these equipments, most of these we don't even found .. and all came here veeery expensive... 🥲 It's hard to build knowledge here...
@fattypat3ck12 сағат бұрын
What if i don’t want to edit? What camera do you recommend that have good photos without editing?
@GeorgeHolden11 сағат бұрын
Personally I think Fujifilm, Canon and Lumix should be top of your list if you don't want to edit
@fattypat3ck11 сағат бұрын
@@GeorgeHoldenim looking on xt10 or xt20. I was just wondering if xt20 have an issue with the touchscreen changing the focus when you hit it with your nose. I can’t find any information about this. 😭
@reeshmalms668613 сағат бұрын
Lumix should make new MFT rangefinder style compact cameras with that Real time lut feature. One in GX lineup with new tech and sensor but in gx80 size and dial layout and one in LX series with nd filter and maybe deactivatable IR filter for infrared photography without converting. Imagine how much fun these can be.
@beppeveltri13 сағат бұрын
Il 20mm purtroppo è un obiettivo lento e vecchi che andrebbe rivisto per una versione II. Con questa fotocamera (come anche per la gx9) meglio il 14mm f2,5 o il 15 f1,7 o il 25 f1.4 (anche se quest'ulti rende la combo meno tascabile).
@masterche198014 сағат бұрын
This is what the Panasonic S9 camera should have been, not what happened in the end.
@MicroFourNerds15 сағат бұрын
Love this camera. Raved about it. Of course... I sold it. And of course... it is now still the same price now as when I bought it in 2017 lmao. Moral of the story? Never sell anything ever. Hoard hoard the cameras 📷 😂
@GeorgeHolden14 сағат бұрын
30+ cameras at any given time 😂
@gameon200015 сағат бұрын
😂 Have G5, basically the same camera. Actually any camera from that time. They all had CCD sensors.
@bryanstanton498317 сағат бұрын
I have a GX80, originally with the Lumix 20mm f1.7 but as you say, autofocus is slow. I swapped the lens for the Olympus 17mm f1.8 lens which also has a manual focus clutch meaning no searching menus to switch to manual focus via camera menus; these 2 are made for each other.
@JuanManuelTastzian17 сағат бұрын
Nice one, George! I was eyeing some Olympus cameras for this size of camera and with tilting screen for street, like E-PL7, 8 or 9 (although I think 9 removed some things like ability to add an EVF, so probably 8 is the best). I really value the IBIS in these cameras, for them being so small. I cannot justify getting one right now (since I recently got an E-M5 III and much more recently, a PEN-F), but I will in the future if the opportunity comes!
@bastian.michel20 сағат бұрын
Hey George,It's been a while since I visited your channel. There's no particular reason for my absence, but I wanted to let you know that your recent videos have impressed me greatly. Your storytelling, speaking style, and overall video presentation have improved significantly. I truly appreciate the quality and effort you put into these new videos.I especially appreciate that you are producing content about older cameras. As I get older, I find it less important to have the latest tech. For example, over the last two or three years, I have really enjoyed using the Panasonic GX800. It's so small I can take it everywhere, allowing me to capture pictures I wouldn't normally be able to with my Panasonic G9. I just wish the GX800 would get an update to include PDAF.I also owned the GX80 and GX9. However, after comparing the GX800 with the GX9, I found that it doesn't provide me any significant advantage in the field. Or better to say, the advantage of the smaller size outweighs the viewfinder for me.Thank you for creating such engaging content.
@thepan20 сағат бұрын
Interesting… but aren’t you gonna have a hard time focusing though?
@GeorgeHolden18 сағат бұрын
It's actually easier when you use zone focus on a manual lens
@thepan18 сағат бұрын
@@GeorgeHolden but to focus you have to look at the LED screen right?
@ElinWinblad22 сағат бұрын
I’ve been thinking about just making my own padded insert for any bag I can’t, unfortunately just put it in any bag like that cute sling you had. I am prone to whacking that thing and I would break my screen probably less than the day.😂
@thejoelbag23 сағат бұрын
It doesn’t make any film photos
@arricammarques1955Күн бұрын
Working on my portfolio, its public property. Walk away don't engage.
@katesavage2001Күн бұрын
The GX 85 was my first MFT and it is a fun camera to use.
@jeffslade1892Күн бұрын
The 20/1.7 has great glass. Understandable if you delve deep into the exif and find the legend, "unknown Leica". I think it is slow to focus because it has a very fine focus thread, it will focus precisely. On a Panasonic it will disable the AFC and be AFS-only. This can be a drawback, and don't hope to do any kind of action shot. On an Olympus the 20/1.7 may hunt on C-AF. The more versatile PZ14-42 is very much the same size folded and also has excellent glass, but has no focus or zoom rings although it can MF on its toggle switches. The kit lens for the GX80/85 was the 12-32, originally for the GM1, a miniaturised lens with a slightly reduced image circle that can exhibit vignetting. In Japan the camera is the GX7 Mark II, it has Dual-IS which you will certainly notice if you give it a Power-OIS lens like the PZ14-42.
@sputumtubeКүн бұрын
I noticed you never seemed to use the viewfinder. Any reason why?
@GeorgeHolden18 сағат бұрын
I actually do but when wearing sunglasses or filming my shots at the same time I opt for the LCD
@juliettemansourКүн бұрын
Love it George. Colors on Panny are my favorite, actually! I am 10 steps away from selling 3/4 of my Fujifilm gear because I have consistently turned to my GX9 with the 15mm 1.7 everywhere and the GM5 with the 14mm f/2.5 on sunny days. Your shots are great and we have a similar style. Always enjoy your videos!
@davidmccarthy6061Күн бұрын
What we really need is a proper update to this, instead of what Panasonic appears to be moving towards.
@jackoneil3933Күн бұрын
Thank you George for delving into this, and the piratical aspects of matching the system to application along with simple technical realities often you related, which are obscured by marketing hype are important take-aways you shared exceptionally well. That being the case, there are other technical elements that comprise effective resolution and image quality than sensor megapixels, those being Lens resolution, diffraction, diffusion, aberration and what is commonly referred to as 'micro contrast'. Sensors noise, dynamic range and the way the image processing engine and algorithms can also effect the overall fidelity of an image and how images are digitally developed in post and and displayed effect how an image is ultimately seen as much or more than the camera sensor size and resolution, and any element in that chain can make or break the presentation of an image. Over the 50+ years of messing about with dozens of cameras, lenses, filters, film, prints motion pictures in film and formats, when it comes to digital cameras I've observed that the optical performance of the lens ends up being the delineating element of an imaging system in terms of apparent resolution and fidelity. I've owned and shot sub 1", 1", 4/3", APS-C, H & full-frame 35mm, 645 and 2x2 and 6x9 medium format, and 4X5 cameras in film and digital. Over the last 10+ years I've used 4/3" sensor cameras for about 75% of images produced and the rest in crop and full-frame 35mm, a Pentax 645Z and Fuji GFX50s and a 1" and smaller cameras, and generally the larger sensor imaging systems produced superior actual and apparent image quality when used with optics designed to take advantage of the sensor. The biggest apparent difference I see between say a 20.3mp sensor M43 camera with a top quality Leica or Olympus Prime and a Sony 42mp sensor or Medium format camera with 50mp is not resolution but tonal quality, contrast. and quality. If exposed and processed optimally people's skin, hair, eyes are more natural, and defined as often are trees, grass, water, sky and cloud then what I often see from a M43 camera, especially in less than optimal lighting, and I believe that has to to with the higher inherent electronic noise levels in the M43 and smaller systems and how that noise is processed in-camera that degrades processed quality of the image as well, and generally the smaller sensor system will have a lower image signal to noise floor and ratio that degrades and/or limits the ultimate possible quality an image. While a low-contrast -low-detail scene may look the same with a modern 100mp Medium format system as a 10 year old pocket camera when viewed on a mobile device, a high-contrast, high-detail scene on a high-resolution, high-resolution display or print, the higher performance imaging system should and typically does surpass the low performance system. Large, gallery and commercial prints typically require a higher performance imaging system than Images shared on social media, but for how long? In a few years might newer display technologies such as VR and Mixed reality soon change that where we will be viewing immersive 100mp images through 20mp 3D glasses? And if such display become reality, will the 8mp image most in the future will care to view on such as display? I expect even in the future it will be the content of the image and how the image resonates with the viewer that will always matter as much or more than the technical capture of the image. An interesting image no matter the technical quality will always be engaging and as you point out, if we are serious about sharing meaningful to others in imagery, perhaps we should strive first and foremost to perceive what it is we see that is meaningful to us, and how to capture and share so it resonates and becomes meaningful to others. That perhaps the difference between the art of photographic imagery and the technical performance of a camera. Back in the 70's in high school, I had the good fortune to apprentice to a cinematographer on a film (One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest) that won as many awards as any film to date, and the technical quality of the the film was average at best for the time and very poor technically compared to what a $1,000 consumer camera can produce today, but it was how a moving story was captured in dramatic and moving ways that is timeless and engaging, and one of many examples to help us become visual artists Cheers! stay charged, moving, capturing, sharing and inspiring.
@-greyКүн бұрын
I love the way manufacturers come up with great UX ideas for shooting use cases. I feel a bit spoiled by the Ricoh GRIII currently. The Zone Focus priority mode is game changing. I kind of sit at 2.5m 90% of the time swapping between f4.5 and f6.3 if I want back to infinity in focus, then the camera takes care of the rest. I occasionally will roll the dial to focus at 3.5m or 5m also if it really is pretty far. This is something I'd love to see other brands tackle and put their own spin on. Especially as focus by wire is typically inprecise and the digital distance scale is rather unhelpful most of the time. I am curious about that that tilt EVF. I rarely use an EVF because I personally find eye level to usually be the most boring angle for a POV. So this could be something that changes my mind.
@MarkchristiankcКүн бұрын
That intro. I'm frightened.
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
Just don't be a croissant then we're cool
@xxGravyBabyxxКүн бұрын
I am a firm believer that the S9 should had a EVF or OVF built into it. Doesnt have to be a rangefinder but have the same dimensions as a leica M camera and significantly more affordable would kill it 👍
@sensorpaintingКүн бұрын
For me it is ricoh gr
@busydadscooking001Күн бұрын
This is a good camera, but also one that it took me the longest to warm up to - years in fact - than others. It is getting a lot of love now, but at the time seemed to sell badly (forever on sale), and I think it's good if people are aware of some of the limitations. I'm still discovering features inside it as I need them, even years later, so Lumix packed a lot in.
@fredericld6553Күн бұрын
Lens and GX80 are my fav.
@lichtloperКүн бұрын
The nicest Shutter sound of m all: OLy E-P5
@Stone1108Күн бұрын
I have a GX9, I am very happy with it, and it’s my go to street camera. It focuses pretty niftily, although I don’t have to 20 1.7. Anyway, Is there a big difference between the GX80 and GX9, apart from pixel count, I bought it used, a big win for me? Enjoyed the video content. Thanks.
@busydadscooking001Күн бұрын
20 vs 16mp is the main thing ;)
@busydadscooking001Күн бұрын
20 vs 16mp is the main thing ;)
@phototechchannel229Күн бұрын
Good video and topic. I agree with you, we don't need a lot of pixels. I do think you missed some very important points. Not sure when you made this, but AI is in play now and more pixels are better. On the other side of that is that AI can do amazing up-sample and improve clarity. In general, I like to match the cameras resolution to the lenses resolution. i.g. Wide Zoom lenses cannot resolve more than about 25 megapixels, so it does no good to shoot a 48mp camera if you use a 24-70 2.8. A longer zoom can resolve a bit more. My 70-200 2.8 seems very sharp at 100mm f/8. I shoot 48MP on primes so I can crop and make AI selections. All this being said, I love the old 12MP CCD sesnor cameras. The CCD sensors are far superior in some ways to the CMOS. I discovered this when I was looking at my archive and went back to the early days when I shot CCD sensor cameras and WOW everything looked really nice.
@martingreenberg870Күн бұрын
Thank you for this video George. The GX85(80) is a winner. It is small, as well as the lenses. It is lightweight as well as the small primes. It is stupid cheap. Where as I like this body a lot I have voted with my wallet and prefer the GX9. Truth be told there aren’t a lot of differences between the two bodies. 16 vs 20MP isn’t significant. I don’t crop. Most of the improvements on the GX9 are incremental. This seems so silly but the reason I prefer the GX9 is the L monochrome D B&W jpeg. It is my favorite. Sorry Acros with red filter. This was introduced in the G9. Not mentioned is the GX85 has IBIS. A feature I adore. Being a LUMIX body, the GX85 has a lot of video features but lacks an audio jac. For a small body, the GX85 has an EVF. It is small but there. I don’t like the GRiii/x because it lacks this feature. Both the GX85/9 are becoming harder to find. The GX9 is becoming more expensive. It can be up to 2X the price of the GX85. That is crazy. The GX85 is way more than good enough. Technique tip George. I don’t like my screen to flip. I have some flippy screen bodies. If I use one of those bodies and want to take a shot from a low angle I flip the screen to the 90 degree angle to the body. This way the screen doesn’t stick out. I also get a twin lens reflex feel out of the camera a la Vivian Maier. I wish LUMIX would update the GX line. Maybe put the G9ii sensor in the S9 body. Weather seal it and add an audio jac. Wouldn’t that be something? If you don’t own a GX85(80) consider buying one. It is a super body as George suggests. Put the PL15 on this body and it is a super street photography combination. The same for the GX9. Now watch the prices go up. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
@fourtoes412Күн бұрын
Well done great video, really enjoy your content. I love my GX7Mk2 (GX85), and have been delighted with the image quality using Zuiko 17mm 1.8 , Zuiko 40mm 1.8 and Lumix 25mm 1.7 lenses. Features I really like are the back button focus / image stabilisation as well as the low key appearance.
@glennsakКүн бұрын
All this complaining about focus issues obviously never had to manual focus. Digital cameras make it almost too easy - especially with newer AI subject focus.
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
I actually manual focus most of the time 😂
@monty1258746934 сағат бұрын
Okay grandpa
@jacobterrazas3147Күн бұрын
Bought this camera 2 years ago because of Teo Crawford. Still waiting for something to beat it. I have an X100VI on pre-order and maybe that will dethrone it but the GX85 does have the ability to change out lenses. Could go XE4 but that doesn't have a flash built in. List goes on when making comparisons; the GX85 always has at least ONE thing that other cameras don't have, even when comparing to modern releases.
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
Very true there are some benefits of this camera which outweigh some modern releases
@b3naquaКүн бұрын
GX85 was one of my 1st m43 cameras and it’s one of the only ones I’ve kept over the years. Portability, features, ease of use, speed etc. One of the most slept on cameras ever tbh 👌🏼
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
Still a reasonable amount of money in the UK used market too!
@user-ly6ik4uj5iКүн бұрын
10 mins into the video and still no clue which model of the camera is.
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
I say it in the first minute 😂
@user-ly6ik4uj5iКүн бұрын
@@GeorgeHolden thanks, somehow missed that.
@moneyboys2010Күн бұрын
George Bro ??? As a M4/3 and FF Shooter that owns multiple LUMIX Cams and looking for a new travel M4/3…. You don’t really have to speak down on the S9 to justify using M4/3 over it… like saying you don’t think you could have gotten the shot with it 😂 as skilled as you are. I find fun in both. As a viewer of your content… it just comes across as unnecessary shots. 😂 But to each their own. Just input.
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
I have no need to justify using M4/3 over full frame, I shoot with nearly every format on a regular basis. The S9 is terrible, that's my opinion!
@moneyboys2010Күн бұрын
@@GeorgeHoldenfair enough 😂.
@NetvoTVКүн бұрын
What do you think of the new Leica D Lux 8? Also hey George, my name is Johnny and I'm a freelance logo designer, currently I'm looking for more works, do you love to have a logo for your channel's branding to have a memorable graphic based monogram logo to help your audience recognise and follow your channel easier? I would love to design a photography themed logo inspired by your direction for you! Let me know if you interested to make it happen! :-)
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
It's a Lumix LX100! And sure email me!
@leirumf5476Күн бұрын
Pipeline of me watching these videos: 1) get excited about an alternative to my street camera that's bulky and can't find wider lenses for it. 2) see all the positives, recognize I don't mind any of the negatives 3) look for the camera in the available markets in my country 4) everything is crazy expensive, or doesn't even exist 5) get depressed and vow to never get excited about it again
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
If you're looking for something similar, any of the GX line are good!
@leirumf5476Күн бұрын
@@GeorgeHolden All of them are around 1000 U$D, definitely too pricey for me UnU, specially considering I'd have to also buy lenses and such. The cameras market in my country is busted 😞.
@presuming_edКүн бұрын
Congrats on the channel George!
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
Cheers man! Hope you're well 😄
@johnyoung1606Күн бұрын
Of all of the YT Photogs. You by far have a One of the Best Eye for Comp. n Subject Awareness !!! Your Photos are Really Great :) :) :)
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@cameraz99Күн бұрын
The GX85 and Pan/Leica 15mm f1.7 lens is a killer combo. BTW, the GX80/85 is great for shooting video.
@balboa0621Күн бұрын
Yeah, the focus is insane with zero shutter lag. I have Sony and Fuji cameras, too, and that combo shoots faster than anything I own.
@GeorgeHoldenКүн бұрын
Yes great idea!
@bastian.michel20 сағат бұрын
PanLeica 15mm, my favorite lens beside the 45mm 1.8.
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My first DLSR was the 12mp D5000. If you cropped more than a little bit, you could notice with a large enough print (for me, usually Super B size) but not by much. If anything, the sensor resolution wasn’t the big issue with the crop sensor Nikon DSLRs, it was always glass. Now that I’ve got all 24 megapixel cameras I crop a lot and can barely tell, maybe with an extreme birding photography shot, but most of the time cropping portraits and landscapes, I can’t even tell sometimes. Sometimes I think about buying a 45mp D850 DSLR as my “dream camera” but glass is just so important that it’ll probably never happen. I’ll probably end up with the last Nikon DSLR, the D780 😂 since I love the ‘look’ of the 700 series sensors.
No…I need one! Give me yours if you don’t want it anymore.
This camera is an underrated gem. Great to see it getting more and more love.
S9 was stripped out dumbed down and still far too big -GX80 is far better
I love to use the GX85 with the Olympus 17mm f1.8 as my "walking around" camera.
this was my first camera ever, i loved it, and i loved to use it with some vintage lens
Where is the mechanical shutter, where is the electronic viewfinder, where is the microphone input, where is the external flash connection, where are the convenient controls in the S9? No? 1500$? S9 goodbye.
You focus only by lens numbers?? 🤔 Or you see anithing about focus on viewfinder?? Or in this case viewfinder is only for compose??
Viewfinder just to compose, then focus by distance on the lens using zone focus 😊
@@GeorgeHolden thanks for explanation! I'm from Brasil, here we can't try these equipments, most of these we don't even found .. and all came here veeery expensive... 🥲 It's hard to build knowledge here...
What if i don’t want to edit? What camera do you recommend that have good photos without editing?
Personally I think Fujifilm, Canon and Lumix should be top of your list if you don't want to edit
@@GeorgeHoldenim looking on xt10 or xt20. I was just wondering if xt20 have an issue with the touchscreen changing the focus when you hit it with your nose. I can’t find any information about this. 😭
Lumix should make new MFT rangefinder style compact cameras with that Real time lut feature. One in GX lineup with new tech and sensor but in gx80 size and dial layout and one in LX series with nd filter and maybe deactivatable IR filter for infrared photography without converting. Imagine how much fun these can be.
Il 20mm purtroppo è un obiettivo lento e vecchi che andrebbe rivisto per una versione II. Con questa fotocamera (come anche per la gx9) meglio il 14mm f2,5 o il 15 f1,7 o il 25 f1.4 (anche se quest'ulti rende la combo meno tascabile).
This is what the Panasonic S9 camera should have been, not what happened in the end.
Love this camera. Raved about it. Of course... I sold it. And of course... it is now still the same price now as when I bought it in 2017 lmao. Moral of the story? Never sell anything ever. Hoard hoard the cameras 📷 😂
30+ cameras at any given time 😂
😂 Have G5, basically the same camera. Actually any camera from that time. They all had CCD sensors.
I have a GX80, originally with the Lumix 20mm f1.7 but as you say, autofocus is slow. I swapped the lens for the Olympus 17mm f1.8 lens which also has a manual focus clutch meaning no searching menus to switch to manual focus via camera menus; these 2 are made for each other.
Nice one, George! I was eyeing some Olympus cameras for this size of camera and with tilting screen for street, like E-PL7, 8 or 9 (although I think 9 removed some things like ability to add an EVF, so probably 8 is the best). I really value the IBIS in these cameras, for them being so small. I cannot justify getting one right now (since I recently got an E-M5 III and much more recently, a PEN-F), but I will in the future if the opportunity comes!
Hey George,It's been a while since I visited your channel. There's no particular reason for my absence, but I wanted to let you know that your recent videos have impressed me greatly. Your storytelling, speaking style, and overall video presentation have improved significantly. I truly appreciate the quality and effort you put into these new videos.I especially appreciate that you are producing content about older cameras. As I get older, I find it less important to have the latest tech. For example, over the last two or three years, I have really enjoyed using the Panasonic GX800. It's so small I can take it everywhere, allowing me to capture pictures I wouldn't normally be able to with my Panasonic G9. I just wish the GX800 would get an update to include PDAF.I also owned the GX80 and GX9. However, after comparing the GX800 with the GX9, I found that it doesn't provide me any significant advantage in the field. Or better to say, the advantage of the smaller size outweighs the viewfinder for me.Thank you for creating such engaging content.
Interesting… but aren’t you gonna have a hard time focusing though?
It's actually easier when you use zone focus on a manual lens
@@GeorgeHolden but to focus you have to look at the LED screen right?
I’ve been thinking about just making my own padded insert for any bag I can’t, unfortunately just put it in any bag like that cute sling you had. I am prone to whacking that thing and I would break my screen probably less than the day.😂
It doesn’t make any film photos
Working on my portfolio, its public property. Walk away don't engage.
The GX 85 was my first MFT and it is a fun camera to use.
The 20/1.7 has great glass. Understandable if you delve deep into the exif and find the legend, "unknown Leica". I think it is slow to focus because it has a very fine focus thread, it will focus precisely. On a Panasonic it will disable the AFC and be AFS-only. This can be a drawback, and don't hope to do any kind of action shot. On an Olympus the 20/1.7 may hunt on C-AF. The more versatile PZ14-42 is very much the same size folded and also has excellent glass, but has no focus or zoom rings although it can MF on its toggle switches. The kit lens for the GX80/85 was the 12-32, originally for the GM1, a miniaturised lens with a slightly reduced image circle that can exhibit vignetting. In Japan the camera is the GX7 Mark II, it has Dual-IS which you will certainly notice if you give it a Power-OIS lens like the PZ14-42.
I noticed you never seemed to use the viewfinder. Any reason why?
I actually do but when wearing sunglasses or filming my shots at the same time I opt for the LCD
Love it George. Colors on Panny are my favorite, actually! I am 10 steps away from selling 3/4 of my Fujifilm gear because I have consistently turned to my GX9 with the 15mm 1.7 everywhere and the GM5 with the 14mm f/2.5 on sunny days. Your shots are great and we have a similar style. Always enjoy your videos!
What we really need is a proper update to this, instead of what Panasonic appears to be moving towards.
Thank you George for delving into this, and the piratical aspects of matching the system to application along with simple technical realities often you related, which are obscured by marketing hype are important take-aways you shared exceptionally well. That being the case, there are other technical elements that comprise effective resolution and image quality than sensor megapixels, those being Lens resolution, diffraction, diffusion, aberration and what is commonly referred to as 'micro contrast'. Sensors noise, dynamic range and the way the image processing engine and algorithms can also effect the overall fidelity of an image and how images are digitally developed in post and and displayed effect how an image is ultimately seen as much or more than the camera sensor size and resolution, and any element in that chain can make or break the presentation of an image. Over the 50+ years of messing about with dozens of cameras, lenses, filters, film, prints motion pictures in film and formats, when it comes to digital cameras I've observed that the optical performance of the lens ends up being the delineating element of an imaging system in terms of apparent resolution and fidelity. I've owned and shot sub 1", 1", 4/3", APS-C, H & full-frame 35mm, 645 and 2x2 and 6x9 medium format, and 4X5 cameras in film and digital. Over the last 10+ years I've used 4/3" sensor cameras for about 75% of images produced and the rest in crop and full-frame 35mm, a Pentax 645Z and Fuji GFX50s and a 1" and smaller cameras, and generally the larger sensor imaging systems produced superior actual and apparent image quality when used with optics designed to take advantage of the sensor. The biggest apparent difference I see between say a 20.3mp sensor M43 camera with a top quality Leica or Olympus Prime and a Sony 42mp sensor or Medium format camera with 50mp is not resolution but tonal quality, contrast. and quality. If exposed and processed optimally people's skin, hair, eyes are more natural, and defined as often are trees, grass, water, sky and cloud then what I often see from a M43 camera, especially in less than optimal lighting, and I believe that has to to with the higher inherent electronic noise levels in the M43 and smaller systems and how that noise is processed in-camera that degrades processed quality of the image as well, and generally the smaller sensor system will have a lower image signal to noise floor and ratio that degrades and/or limits the ultimate possible quality an image. While a low-contrast -low-detail scene may look the same with a modern 100mp Medium format system as a 10 year old pocket camera when viewed on a mobile device, a high-contrast, high-detail scene on a high-resolution, high-resolution display or print, the higher performance imaging system should and typically does surpass the low performance system. Large, gallery and commercial prints typically require a higher performance imaging system than Images shared on social media, but for how long? In a few years might newer display technologies such as VR and Mixed reality soon change that where we will be viewing immersive 100mp images through 20mp 3D glasses? And if such display become reality, will the 8mp image most in the future will care to view on such as display? I expect even in the future it will be the content of the image and how the image resonates with the viewer that will always matter as much or more than the technical capture of the image. An interesting image no matter the technical quality will always be engaging and as you point out, if we are serious about sharing meaningful to others in imagery, perhaps we should strive first and foremost to perceive what it is we see that is meaningful to us, and how to capture and share so it resonates and becomes meaningful to others. That perhaps the difference between the art of photographic imagery and the technical performance of a camera. Back in the 70's in high school, I had the good fortune to apprentice to a cinematographer on a film (One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest) that won as many awards as any film to date, and the technical quality of the the film was average at best for the time and very poor technically compared to what a $1,000 consumer camera can produce today, but it was how a moving story was captured in dramatic and moving ways that is timeless and engaging, and one of many examples to help us become visual artists Cheers! stay charged, moving, capturing, sharing and inspiring.
I love the way manufacturers come up with great UX ideas for shooting use cases. I feel a bit spoiled by the Ricoh GRIII currently. The Zone Focus priority mode is game changing. I kind of sit at 2.5m 90% of the time swapping between f4.5 and f6.3 if I want back to infinity in focus, then the camera takes care of the rest. I occasionally will roll the dial to focus at 3.5m or 5m also if it really is pretty far. This is something I'd love to see other brands tackle and put their own spin on. Especially as focus by wire is typically inprecise and the digital distance scale is rather unhelpful most of the time. I am curious about that that tilt EVF. I rarely use an EVF because I personally find eye level to usually be the most boring angle for a POV. So this could be something that changes my mind.
That intro. I'm frightened.
Just don't be a croissant then we're cool
I am a firm believer that the S9 should had a EVF or OVF built into it. Doesnt have to be a rangefinder but have the same dimensions as a leica M camera and significantly more affordable would kill it 👍
For me it is ricoh gr
This is a good camera, but also one that it took me the longest to warm up to - years in fact - than others. It is getting a lot of love now, but at the time seemed to sell badly (forever on sale), and I think it's good if people are aware of some of the limitations. I'm still discovering features inside it as I need them, even years later, so Lumix packed a lot in.
Lens and GX80 are my fav.
The nicest Shutter sound of m all: OLy E-P5
I have a GX9, I am very happy with it, and it’s my go to street camera. It focuses pretty niftily, although I don’t have to 20 1.7. Anyway, Is there a big difference between the GX80 and GX9, apart from pixel count, I bought it used, a big win for me? Enjoyed the video content. Thanks.
20 vs 16mp is the main thing ;)
20 vs 16mp is the main thing ;)
Good video and topic. I agree with you, we don't need a lot of pixels. I do think you missed some very important points. Not sure when you made this, but AI is in play now and more pixels are better. On the other side of that is that AI can do amazing up-sample and improve clarity. In general, I like to match the cameras resolution to the lenses resolution. i.g. Wide Zoom lenses cannot resolve more than about 25 megapixels, so it does no good to shoot a 48mp camera if you use a 24-70 2.8. A longer zoom can resolve a bit more. My 70-200 2.8 seems very sharp at 100mm f/8. I shoot 48MP on primes so I can crop and make AI selections. All this being said, I love the old 12MP CCD sesnor cameras. The CCD sensors are far superior in some ways to the CMOS. I discovered this when I was looking at my archive and went back to the early days when I shot CCD sensor cameras and WOW everything looked really nice.
Thank you for this video George. The GX85(80) is a winner. It is small, as well as the lenses. It is lightweight as well as the small primes. It is stupid cheap. Where as I like this body a lot I have voted with my wallet and prefer the GX9. Truth be told there aren’t a lot of differences between the two bodies. 16 vs 20MP isn’t significant. I don’t crop. Most of the improvements on the GX9 are incremental. This seems so silly but the reason I prefer the GX9 is the L monochrome D B&W jpeg. It is my favorite. Sorry Acros with red filter. This was introduced in the G9. Not mentioned is the GX85 has IBIS. A feature I adore. Being a LUMIX body, the GX85 has a lot of video features but lacks an audio jac. For a small body, the GX85 has an EVF. It is small but there. I don’t like the GRiii/x because it lacks this feature. Both the GX85/9 are becoming harder to find. The GX9 is becoming more expensive. It can be up to 2X the price of the GX85. That is crazy. The GX85 is way more than good enough. Technique tip George. I don’t like my screen to flip. I have some flippy screen bodies. If I use one of those bodies and want to take a shot from a low angle I flip the screen to the 90 degree angle to the body. This way the screen doesn’t stick out. I also get a twin lens reflex feel out of the camera a la Vivian Maier. I wish LUMIX would update the GX line. Maybe put the G9ii sensor in the S9 body. Weather seal it and add an audio jac. Wouldn’t that be something? If you don’t own a GX85(80) consider buying one. It is a super body as George suggests. Put the PL15 on this body and it is a super street photography combination. The same for the GX9. Now watch the prices go up. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Well done great video, really enjoy your content. I love my GX7Mk2 (GX85), and have been delighted with the image quality using Zuiko 17mm 1.8 , Zuiko 40mm 1.8 and Lumix 25mm 1.7 lenses. Features I really like are the back button focus / image stabilisation as well as the low key appearance.
All this complaining about focus issues obviously never had to manual focus. Digital cameras make it almost too easy - especially with newer AI subject focus.
I actually manual focus most of the time 😂
Okay grandpa
Bought this camera 2 years ago because of Teo Crawford. Still waiting for something to beat it. I have an X100VI on pre-order and maybe that will dethrone it but the GX85 does have the ability to change out lenses. Could go XE4 but that doesn't have a flash built in. List goes on when making comparisons; the GX85 always has at least ONE thing that other cameras don't have, even when comparing to modern releases.
Very true there are some benefits of this camera which outweigh some modern releases
GX85 was one of my 1st m43 cameras and it’s one of the only ones I’ve kept over the years. Portability, features, ease of use, speed etc. One of the most slept on cameras ever tbh 👌🏼
Still a reasonable amount of money in the UK used market too!
10 mins into the video and still no clue which model of the camera is.
I say it in the first minute 😂
@@GeorgeHolden thanks, somehow missed that.
George Bro ??? As a M4/3 and FF Shooter that owns multiple LUMIX Cams and looking for a new travel M4/3…. You don’t really have to speak down on the S9 to justify using M4/3 over it… like saying you don’t think you could have gotten the shot with it 😂 as skilled as you are. I find fun in both. As a viewer of your content… it just comes across as unnecessary shots. 😂 But to each their own. Just input.
I have no need to justify using M4/3 over full frame, I shoot with nearly every format on a regular basis. The S9 is terrible, that's my opinion!
@@GeorgeHoldenfair enough 😂.
What do you think of the new Leica D Lux 8? Also hey George, my name is Johnny and I'm a freelance logo designer, currently I'm looking for more works, do you love to have a logo for your channel's branding to have a memorable graphic based monogram logo to help your audience recognise and follow your channel easier? I would love to design a photography themed logo inspired by your direction for you! Let me know if you interested to make it happen! :-)
It's a Lumix LX100! And sure email me!
Pipeline of me watching these videos: 1) get excited about an alternative to my street camera that's bulky and can't find wider lenses for it. 2) see all the positives, recognize I don't mind any of the negatives 3) look for the camera in the available markets in my country 4) everything is crazy expensive, or doesn't even exist 5) get depressed and vow to never get excited about it again
If you're looking for something similar, any of the GX line are good!
@@GeorgeHolden All of them are around 1000 U$D, definitely too pricey for me UnU, specially considering I'd have to also buy lenses and such. The cameras market in my country is busted 😞.
Congrats on the channel George!
Cheers man! Hope you're well 😄
Of all of the YT Photogs. You by far have a One of the Best Eye for Comp. n Subject Awareness !!! Your Photos are Really Great :) :) :)
Wow, thank you!
The GX85 and Pan/Leica 15mm f1.7 lens is a killer combo. BTW, the GX80/85 is great for shooting video.
Yeah, the focus is insane with zero shutter lag. I have Sony and Fuji cameras, too, and that combo shoots faster than anything I own.
Yes great idea!
PanLeica 15mm, my favorite lens beside the 45mm 1.8.