6:17 - GBP* what kind of Englishman am I when I can't write my own currency 🤦🏼‍♂️

@Durio_zibethinus

16 күн бұрын

Do not worry my man, I don't understand your currency so I hope it's even it out 🗿

Can't agree more, George. I had the GX80 for a few years now, and it is a fantastic camera, and with EVF!!! Never seen the need for a FF camera too. I've taken it on many holidays over the years, with the 12-32mm lens and that's all I need to get great images. As I've said before the Panasonic S9 is a still born camera. A camera desperately looking for someone to buy it.

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I'm excited to spend some weeks exclusively with the GX80 and 20mm, it's a no brainer to even carry in a pocket which is fantastic

@sjsent4553

18 күн бұрын

Hahahaha @ stillborn

@jutubjestzlem

16 күн бұрын

I have GX9 for this exact purpose, and for some years I've been ignoring 12-32mm lens. Recently I took it out... and now I feel like a doofus for ignoring it for so long. It's amazing.

@Sea0fTime

16 күн бұрын

Having a full frame mirror less is great if you like using vintage 35mm lenses.

@iamhassan9943

2 күн бұрын

The Lumix S9 is selling very well. Apparently many people think very differently than you.

S9 for me. I can buy a single good zoom lens and be done with it due to the hybrid zoom. That in itself is a good value knowing how expensive lenses are.

Hello, I also own the DMC-GX80. An excellent camera... ...However, I would recommend the Leica 15mm F/1.7 lens. I have had the Lumix 20mm in the past. The sharpness is superb, but it has 3 major flaws for me: - Pumping during focusing. - Latency during focusing. - Audible pumping noise during focusing, recordable in video mode. Best regrards,

Depth of field between different sensor sizes isn't really a consideration if you're doing street photography IMHO. If you're shooting street, quite often you're zone focusing, or at east shooting narrower apertures to ensure you nail acceptable focus. At that point, the benefits of one sensor size over another is negated.

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

I tend to agree, but wanted to include as I know for many people that is a consideration

@hieppt

18 күн бұрын

It seems that you love a "standard" lens (28 or 35mm) for street, like me ❤ but you know, someone take streetphotos with 85mm or 135mm 😢

@derrenleepoole

18 күн бұрын

@@hieppt they do in deed, and that’s perfectly fine too :)

The GX80 was my first mirrorless camera… so many memories 🥺😭😭

@RyanKorea

18 күн бұрын

Me too! I miss it

@amirulhakim2858

3 күн бұрын

What happen now? You sell it?

A tip for those shooting with the gx80 for autofocus: use point focus! Just tap on the screen to choose the area and focus. It's pretty quick and snappy (probably nothing close to the top end these days) but I actually prefer it to full autofocus cuz I can be more specific about what is actually in focus. No focus on the tip of the nose!

@GeorgeHolden

3 күн бұрын

Yeah very good idea! Sometimes when using the EVF my nose would set the single point for me

Very informative video as usual George and I've been looking at the GX80 to add to my collection of m 4/3rds cameras .

Love it. Also, I've really been enjoying Portrait Mode since you recommended it, great to have an app JUST for street photography ❤ Definitely helping me grow my style!

GX80 has an EVF which the S9 lacking is just wild to me. I can't fathom how LUMIX saw the S9 and the demand for rangefinder style cameras and didn't add an EVF. I have an S5ii and really love it but would've instantly traded it for an S9 with an EVF.

@ignatiussloane

17 күн бұрын

Panasonic has explained why there is no EVF - one of the reasons is to prioritise certain elements like IBIS and keeping the size down, and who they are targeting. That won’t work out for all but personally, it’s not an issue for me - I use a viewfinder only 90% of the time and with street, virtually none of the time.

@GrainOnTheGo

17 күн бұрын

@@ignatiussloane if it had a tilt screen it would be less egregious. Panasonic can say what they want about design but it seems genuinely pretty lacking in terms of direction.

@ignatiussloane

17 күн бұрын

@@GrainOnTheGo an articulated screen makes more sense for vlogging, selfies etc which suit the SNS market that Panasonic have said it’s for. How well that does, we’ll see - it’s certainly not pitched at the traditional experience and from what I’ve seen from comments in Asia, it seems to resonate with that SNS usage. Although I like tilt screens in some usage particularly street shooting (although I should say that most of the time I compose by eye), I find an articulated one more useful more generally, particularly when travelling. The GX9 was marketed in the UK (where I’m based) and I think it Europe as a ‘premier street and travel camera’ and personally, I think it was a great choice (although I did love the GX80). Would love a new GX camera but my understanding is that the range has never sold well.

@cheeeeezewizzz

17 күн бұрын

And a FUCKING SHUTTER

@cheeeeezewizzz

17 күн бұрын

​@ignatiussloane Over in China I know the s9 was ruthlessly mocked by people online. The reps at the Panasonic flagship store in Shanghai are ashamed to even show it to people.

True, the gx80 has no special video specifications, no microphone input, but the 4k 25/30p combined with the stabilized sensor also allows you to shoot beautiful footage. Obviously, if you work with video it can't be your only camera, but it can be a second camera or a travel camera for video too.

Thank you George for this comparison. I own the GX85/9 and have no intention to purchase the S9. The S9 is being marketed for context creators. I am not in that market. From my perspective as a street photographer, the S9 is a suboptimal body. Glad you purchased a cheap 35mm plastic view finder. I’m sure that substantially improved your experience. The GX85 is a lovely camera for street photography. Small and lightweight. Very nice image quality. The Hd video is nice but of course LUMIX for some reason disabled the body by not including an audio jac. Why LUMIX did you do that? As you point out, there is a large selection of nice M43 glass available. The L mount doesn’t have a wide choice of lenses for the S9. The price comparison between these bodies is crazy. The GX85 plus lens is bout 1/4 the price of the S9 without the lens. I’m not convinced the full frame sensor is worth anywhere near the price premium for the S9. To be fair, the S9 isn’t designed with street photography in mind. In this comparison the GX85 is the clear winner. So will LUMIX put the G9ii guts in the S9 body? I hope so. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)

I loved the GX85 when I owned it. A big regret getting rid of it. If they come out with the same form factor with their new autofocus system it would be my forever camera.

The lumix GX series is very good value. I picked up a GX9, 12-32 kit lens (in originalbox), plus 25mm F1.7, 14mm F2.5, and Oly 40-150 F4.0 to 5.6 for just £500. Everything works, and it works well with my existing Olympus M4/3 lenses. As for street photgraphy, shallow depth of field is a disadvantage, in my opinion as it might as well be studio work if the depth of field doesn’t give a clue to the location.

Aaah the gx80 🫶🫶🫶🫶 my second biggest selling regret after the Pen F. (Now I juat hoard everything to be on the safe side 😂) Now, if we could just have a new gx80 🤷‍♀️🤞

I am still happy with my gx80 12-32 for travel, camping etc. Would love an update with stacked sony sensor, better evf.

Great video! The GX80 appeals to me so much recently, but the camera stores in my city don't sell it anymore, so I keep looking for similar options.

If I was going to replace my GX85 with a full frame I would go with the Sony A7C. I just can't live without an EVF. And you're right about the lens options and price difference between Lumix L and Sony. Back to MFT, the Olympus 45mm is a great prime in a tiny package for "across the street" photography and portraits. I always carry it with the 20mm and a Laowa 7.5mm in a small bag.

The 20mm is slower to focus. It is actually faster on my GX80 than on my G80 and Olympus EM5ii, and my GX1. And it actually feels pretty fast on my G9ii. I guess Panasonic found ways to control it better and firmware updates for lenses and bodies could help. The 12-32mm is a fantastic little lens. To me, even though m43 bodies have grown and the fast lenses are pretty big as well, the fact that we have those tiny and cheap lenses as well still makes it the most affordable and portable system, if you want to bring lenses for every kind of photography.

I used the GX80 for four years, a fab camera. I now use the GX9, even better! I bought mine a few years ago, new, for less than you paid for your second hand GX80! This is how crazy the second hand market is now. Pany should release a new GX camera, it makes much more sense. By the way, I mostly use the electronic shutter, it works well. The 4K video on the GX80 and GX9 is good in my opinion. The AF is also pretty good, at least I find it fast!

@georgeholden How do you structure your file storage when using so many different cameras and using multiple cameras on the same day? Would love to see you do a Lightroom workflow and photo storage structure video !

I've been taking the photos from my GX85 and using the Lumix Lab to apply LUTs.

@GeorgeHolden

17 күн бұрын

But transferring manually to Lumix Lab?

@Blackbirddc

17 күн бұрын

@@GeorgeHolden Yes I transfer using the WiFi in the camera to my phone.

Lovely video thank you Have you used the gx9? Also I hear good things about Lumix 15mm for street?

@ignatiussloane

17 күн бұрын

The GX9 is a fantastic camera - I used to shoot with the GX80 and owned both for a while. The GX80 is a great camera but the GX9 had lots of little refinements that worked out better for me - one big one is the improved image processor. The 15mm is also a really good lens and would pair with either camera beautifully.

Great video! What are you using for the POV camera while taking photos?

Panasonic Full frame model's continue to tempt me but you are right about the lens prices, would limit me as an amateur. And I really do love FMT. GX80 was the first interchangeable lens camera I ever bought, and the 20mm was the first lens I picked up for it. And I still use it all the time five years later despite adding another two MFT cameras to the collection and multiple lenses. Its not a fully pocketable combo but very close and fits nicely in the Uniqlo shoulder bag. Not sure I'd ever sell either the camera or lens, even if Lumix launched a GX80/GX9 successor.

@cheeeeezewizzz

17 күн бұрын

I bought an s5ii and 3 of the 1.8 primes. It was cheaper than buying a g9ii and three weathersealed m43 primes of similar focal lengths....by about 1000 usd. I bought it because my gh6 and 3 voigtlanders where stolen. Really miss those voigtlanders though.

@stub8213

17 күн бұрын

@@cheeeeezewizzz that's interesting and sounds like a great deal. The S5 models really look like a perfect entry to full frame.

You will get the same depth of field if you have F1.7 (mft) VS F3.4 (FF). To get a compact setup for FF, you will need F2.8 or slower F anyway. With the fast aperture on MFT you might be limited in bright light with your shutter speed though to get the FF look.

@ericmuijs1938

15 күн бұрын

Only waiting for a phase detect GX9 :)

@Kalua85

14 күн бұрын

@@ericmuijs1938 since GX9 already exist it must be a GX10. 🥳

The gx80 was the first camera with an evf for me and I have to say, I don’t like enough to question if I even need one that small and low quality. Since I wear glasses it is not very comfortable or good looking cause my eyes are too far away from the screen which clearly looks like a screen…

The GX80 (or GX85 as it's called in some markets) is actually the direct successor of the GX7. Hence, in Japan it's actually called the GX7 Mark II. Also, there is a third camera in that series, the GX9 (which is called GX7 Mark III in Japan). It seems Panasonic reserves logical naming conventions for Japan only, at least during that confusing time period when those came out.

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

I'm aware!

@nickguzman1734

18 күн бұрын

How does the GX8 fit into that naming scheme?

@busydadscooking001

18 күн бұрын

ya the naming is so crazy! bc they also had the gx8 (which was a much larger camera than the 7/85/9, which are the "direct successors" here). and the 850. and 880. all of which had different numbers depending on the market. what. on. earth. anyway i second the 85/80 as a real nice camera. currently selling for over the price i paid new, now used ... craziness

@cheeeeezewizzz

17 күн бұрын

​@@busydadscooking001that gx8 was just ridiculously huge. Thing was MASSIVE

Nice video. I'm half expecting to see myself in the background in some of your shots as I'm always out and about in town 👀

@GeorgeHolden

12 күн бұрын

Thanks! Come say hi if you see me!

Beautiful camera❤❤❤

Excellent Video I have a GX8 with some lenses and I love it ! I m not doing any video so I do not care about the S9 and I do have other FF camera.

Interesting video, I’ve owned the GX7 (a long time ago) and now have the S9. Couple of things, setting the monitor to +3 makes a huge difference to outdoor visibility and the enjoyment of it (not sure if you tried?). As for lenses, the Sigma I series is pretty compact, I picked up the 45mm f2.8, pretty close to my preferred street focal length (50mm). It is much more compact than the lenses you were using. If I was only shooting street photography I’d agree it’s not the best option for the money. But as a hybrid camera I love it.

@GeorgeHolden

15 күн бұрын

I had three GX7 too! Yeah I had the S9 monitor maxed brightness but found it difficult to use in bright sun which is unfortunate. And I considered borrowing some sigma lenses but couldn't find any easily!

Nice. I also had the thought also setting it up as a ghetto Mcgyver Leica. They do make bodies for them.

Actually the autofocus issues you might be facing with the GX80 might be due to the Lumix 20mm F1.7, my EM5 is also a lot slower with the Lumix 20mm F1.7, but it is fast with the Olympus 14-42mm Kit lens. The Lumix 20mm F1.7 is quite a slow focusing lens in the micro four thirds space.

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

That's the first I've heard this, thank you! I did think the 12-32 was quick so that makes sense, cheers!

@ryanchai8371

18 күн бұрын

@@GeorgeHolden Yep, that's something to take note of. So that's why the Lumix 20mm F1.7 is probably not the lens for your street uses.... the autofocus is too slow and manual focus is clunky to be honest. I think the Olympus 17mm F1.8 or the Lumix leica 15mm F1.7 would suit that better.

@nickguzman1734

18 күн бұрын

Yep the 20mm is notorious for it's AF speed. Stunning images from it, though... I am torn between the 20 and leica 15mm for a gx85 I just bought to replace my stolen gx7.

@reeshmalms6686

18 күн бұрын

Leica 15mm f1.7 is a little pricey but wonderful. There is a dji version of the same lens which have same quality and design but cheap. Check it out if anyone is interested

@ignatiussloane

17 күн бұрын

@@ryanchai8371the 20mm focussing speed also depends on your camera - with newer models, its considerably faster but with something like the GX80 totally agree with comments that someone is better off with another lens.

Hey George, do you know about adapter using Z Mount Lenses on M43 Camera??

@Carthodon

17 күн бұрын

It can't exist without having extra glass elements. Since I haven't seen an adapter from one mount to another with added glass elements I don't think it exists.

Where can I get the Kodak Gold LUT that you used in this video?

I don't know if someone else has already pointed it out. But the iris on the m43 has a cropfactor of 2. So e.g. if you use f2.8 on the m43, you would have to stop down to. f5.6 on the fullframe. Might I suggest a short video where you try them out again with the correct aperture?

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

I think that actually negates the point, if you were to shoot full frame then shoot at the equivalent aperture to four thirds then why shoot full frame?

@Kalua85

18 күн бұрын

@@GeorgeHolden I mention it because you shot them using the correct cropfactor on the focal length but forgot to use the cropfactor on the f number. So when you used f5.6 on the gx80 so you should had been using f11.6 on the S9. The reason for getting a fullframe is ofcourse of the lightgathering cababilities of the sensor and bigger and faster glass. To get a DOF of a ff f1.2, you would need a m43 f0.6 lens. Sadly that doesn't exist.

@MikeC2K10

18 күн бұрын

@@Kalua85 I wish people would try to think of this differently. A 50mm f/1.2 lens projects an image of the subject with the exact same DOF onto a FF sensor, a M43 sensor, or a piece of paper taped to a wall. Your aperture doesn't have to change when you switch from a FF to a M43 sensor. Your composition does. If you switch to a 25mm lens on M43 to get the equivalent FOV and you have the magic f/0.6 lens, your composition is still going to change because you are closer to the subject now, and the perspective and subject compression is different. But that's because the lens has half the focal length, not because the M43 sensor has a crop factor of 2. People seem to get the cause and effect mixed up. The DOF changes because the lens changes. The lens changes because you want a similar composition to the 50mm on a FF. Compose differently and you can keep the same lens and DOF on a M43 sensor as on a FF sensor.

@cheeeeezewizzz

17 күн бұрын

​@@MikeC2K10That's an idiotic way of thinking about it. The vast majority of shooting locations don't give you that ability to dramatically reframe to do that. Portraits and still life aren't the only two types of photography that exists. It's a stupid viewpoint.

@cheeeeezewizzz

17 күн бұрын

​@@GeorgeHoldenNobody buys a camera to shoot at any specific aperture. I shoot at f8-f16 on my gull frame s5iix all the time. I mostly shoot portraits at about f5.6-f8 while occasionally opening it up to f1.8 or 2.8 when I want a shot in a location where the background is more distracting. It's like saying someone buys an f1.2 lens lens to shoot at f1.2. It's just wrong. You buy a lens to shoot at every aperture it is capable of shooting at which fits a need in any given circumstance. If you are drawing comparisons and equalizing everything else, then equalizing the DOF only makes sense. Otherwise WTF is the reason you are choosing your apertures? Randomness? The aperture should be selected to achieve the desired dof and light gathering necessary for a shot. If you aren't equalizing this when shooting between m43 and FF then it means you aren't actually taking your dof into account at all.

If one is happy with a mft camera, one can be happy with the latest iphones, which anyway one would need to buy. But if one likes the look from a full frame, that is still haed to get. Or course I am talking the DR and the DOF renderinf differences. z6 with its 40mm is not much bigger than the gx80 with 20mm. MFT can be very useful for bird photography. Other than that FF nowadays have pretty small primes, which one can crop too. All the reasons why a Leica Q2 or Q3 has a huge following, even with fixed focal length and FF sensor. Cellphones have negated the need to buy a MFT.

Any other camera brands offer something close to Nikon 28-400mm f4-8 usability? Even M43 doesn't offer something similar right hence the smaller size doesn't offer much other than lighter? Does M43 able to shoot full person in frame with blurred background with or without compression?

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

Hence the depth of field comparison

I got so much flack for pointing out in my ‘why not to buy the S5ii’ video when I pointed out the LACK of L mount lenses. Yes, there’s everything you need. But damn it’s expensive! One of my favourite lenses when I was a Sony boy was a Tamron 17-28mm f2.8. Where is that lens for L mount? I know there’s sigma, but Tamron is cheaper lol. Lumix are working on it but the third party peeps need to speed up for sure

@GeorgeHolden

15 күн бұрын

Yeah agreed!

I don't own any of these cameras, but in looking at sample shots from the S9 on Flickr, it (to me) looks lackluster. I'm not seeing the detail and clean look of full frame sensors like the Nikon Zf or Sony Alpha 7. Typically, with a full frame, there's more details captured (without artificial in-camera sharpening), and the light is more nuanced. It should look clean and detailed. I'm not seeing that on the S9. There are some amazing cameras with cropped sensors... I think the X-T line up on Fuji is great, and I looked at the GX80 and was impressed with photographers like "benberes" on Flickr. Sometimes a camera ticks all the "upgrades" on whitepaper (i.e. S9, or the Fuji X100VI), but it lacks a certain something that makes images feel cinematic, alive or fun.

I sold my 20mm lens years ago because of the horrible autofocus. It is a shame because otherwise it was a great lens. It was just too frustrating to use.

The GX80 and even the GX9 with its 1.25x crop has better detail rendering than the S5II and S9 in 4k. Sure the GX80 and GX9 are much noisier but at least fine details are very close to a raw picture, the difference is impressive when cropping a bit in 4k, both the S5II and S9 have an oversharpened look with details filtering. Of course, DR, IBIS and AF are so much better on these cameras, but I still prefer the detail rendering from the old Panasonic cameras like the GX9, GH5, S1, S5 etc.

Shoot from the hip looking down at the monitor. It gets you better pictures. Especially when you’re tall.

@GeorgeHolden

17 күн бұрын

Disagree! I crouch instead

@cmck1777

17 күн бұрын

With respect, going into ‘horse pose’ to get the precise height needed for good composition is far more difficult than just using a screen, shielded from light by being close to my body. I don’t think we need a new FF camera but m4/3 are, for me, really only useful for wildlife, macro or landscape photography. I much preferred the obvious subject separation with FF cameras (I use 3 sensor sizes every week).

nobody wanted to buy that gx80(85 here) when it was new .. as a result they still had stock going after they discontinued both the 7, 8 and 9. That lack of interest continued until they stopped making it, at which point, suddenly people started to pay more for them used than they had been sold for new .... ??

Im a gx85 owner and its a fun camera but I want upgrade to the s9

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

I would strongly consider other cameras over the S9, the S5II is better and cheaper 👍

@reaxxion

18 күн бұрын

@@GeorgeHolden I don’t see it cheaper camera alone same price as the s9 w lens on Adorama and bhphotovideo 😭 you meant the s5 not s5ii?

@nickguzman1734

18 күн бұрын

​@GeorgeHolden in addition, I would also say the GX85 is well equipped enough to service a person until a S9ii comes out. Would you agree?

@jockturner1547

18 күн бұрын

Yeah I wouldn’t waste your money on the S9. It’s far far too crippled at such a high price to make it a worthwhile investment. You’re better off looking into a S5ii or even a Gx9. Even if the S5ii is a little more expensive it’s a far greater value

@reaxxion

18 күн бұрын

@@jockturner1547 gx9 so hard to find I would love to own one!

Finally an honest take of todays market - worst than previous generations, cheaping out covered up by software changes and endless youtube hype...

Lumix should have made the s9 a fixed lens and made a compact mft camera in gx-line with new technology.

Real question is if the 500€ crushes any top tier smartphone. Not just a little better, I mean crush it.

Hey it’s me! 🎉😂

@GeorgeHolden

15 күн бұрын

Hey Adele!

You should buy a used pentax camera next then make it a content

@GeorgeHolden

10 күн бұрын

Do you have any recommendations?

You have to try the 20mm 1.7 Lu... oh, wait.

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

😂

I'd pick the Canon M6ii+22 pancake.

You really need to alter the FStop too, to get a proper comparison. F5.6 is F11 on 4/3.

@TL-xw6fh

18 күн бұрын

F5.6 is F5.6 on any camera, irregardless of format size.

@Vartan297

18 күн бұрын

@@TL-xw6fh to get a depth of field comparison…

@Vartan297

18 күн бұрын

@@TL-xw6fh a cropped sensor gives an F4 looking image compared to FF F2.8. Trust me. 4/3 is double FF.

@TL-xw6fh

18 күн бұрын

@@Vartan297 Street photographers could not care less about depth of field!

@Vartan297

17 күн бұрын

@@TL-xw6fh 😂😂😂😂 ridiculous

Great videos!! Just need to ask you to speak slower for us international people understand easier :) THANKS AND KEEP POSTING

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

Apologies! I also have multi-language subtitles, I can add other languages if you need :)

@garreswe

18 күн бұрын

You can choose a slower playback speed if it's too fast, press the cogwheel under the video.

As of today, artificial intelligence is already capable of offering completely realistic images from accurate prompts. How long will it take for digital cameras to have AI incorporated? In such a scenario, the shots we take would be nothing more than highly refined prompts for our AI-equipped camera to give us the "perfect image". Or, even worse, several trendy versions of the "perfect image". That’s when digital photography will become so boring that I’ll only take photos with my analogue cameras. I just hope that amateurs around the world do the same, and more manufacturers of analogue cameras and, above all, photographic film, emerge… I want to take my photos myself!!

S9 with its mediocre rolling shutter perfomance ( and no mech shutter ) is terrible for dynamic street photography ( which is core of impressive street shots )

@baihu4u

14 күн бұрын

You've tested it?

S9 was stripped out dumbed down and still far too big -GX80 is far better

Where is the mechanical shutter, where is the electronic viewfinder, where is the microphone input, where is the external flash connection, where are the convenient controls in the S9? No? 1500$? S9 goodbye.

Nothing for 50 dollars?

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

There are cameras for 50 but not in this video

The S9 has some terrible rolling shutter especially indoors or with fast moving subjects, a terrible oversite of a slow readout speed and no mechanical shutter. As someone that does street you know that things are pretty dynamic and you can go from shooting someone chilling on a bench to a guy doing wheelies on a bike.

lol. Panny is gonna cancel you 😂

@GeorgeHolden

18 күн бұрын

More micro four thirds plz panny

@aaronroberts3481

17 күн бұрын

@@GeorgeHoldenyes. This. A new GX with phase detect please. Love my GX85 though.