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This is interesting because I’ve just returned from a country where linear draw is prevalent. I’m not sure I saw anyone get their draw elbow lined up completely. I have to admit I’m unsure how the Oly anchor really works because it seems like once the string is at your jaw you can’t go any further back, even if you’re not quite achieving full extension. Barebow guy here. Anyhow whatever causes the sticky-out elbow tendency has to be counted as a mark against linear draw, I think.
This is interesting because I’ve just returned from a country where linear draw is prevalent. I’m not sure I saw anyone get their draw elbow lined up completely. I have to admit I’m unsure how the Oly anchor really works because it seems like once the string is at your jaw you can’t go any further back, even if you’re not quite achieving full extension. Barebow guy here. Anyhow whatever causes the sticky-out elbow tendency has to be counted as a mark against linear draw, I think.
Don't know if I'm right but from the video it sounds like Angular Draw takes slightly less strength to pull out the string since Linear Draw might require certain muscle to be maintained on the same life when u draw back, or maybe I'm just talking nonsense but I buelieve that's what it means
very few participants - it's too much like real training. Kudos for your efforts!
Thank you so much
I switched to a angular draw after having an impingement injury. I found that it also helped engaging my back muscles properly consistently and as a side benefit cleaned up the release where I don't have as many plucky releases as I used to. As a big strong bloke I was able to "fake it" on some shots by using far more bicep than I should. Now just need to work on my target panic so I can get back to shooting master bowman classifications rather than black.
I just stumbled upon your channel from the "linear vs angular" video and am watching this teaching session and this is so good. I got started four decades ago but had set it aside. I decided recently...at the prompting of KZread shorts...to acquire a competitive target recurve and to get started. Once I am kitted out...your "Masterclass" membership is my next purchase!
Glad you're loving the videos! Once you get the archer bug you can never quite give it up... And if you sign up for the Masterclass, I definitely look forward to seeing your progress too!
When I started as a 14 year old weighing nothing a linear seemed right. At 15 I got a Darton SL-50 for hunting and soon had it bottomed out at #72. There was no way I could safely pull that back in a linear fashion. As an old man wanting to throw arrows downrange again...this video is pretty awesome. I wish I could have had this available four decades ago. Great presentation. One thought of the linear to angular form might be injury or pain over a career...🤔
Wow 18:07 so true
I is think angular draw comes more naturally for me
I’m a Development Coach in the UK. Thank you for the content, I’m finding it very informative with the slight differences of looking at the shoot process. I’m always looking for different ways to coach. 👍
Thanks for your feedback. Is there anybpartnof this you find particularly useful?
My granddaughter shoots with a hyperextended bow arm. She is comfortable with her shoot process. I have recorded her shot. Every shot has constant bow torque. Even with her bow torque she competes at a high level. I found your video because I can’t help but think as accurate as she is she could be so much better if we can reduce the torque from her elbow over extending past what I consider is normal. I was thinking she might experiment with placing slightly pressure on the opposite side of her bow hand to counteract the force from her elbow. Any feedback would be great.
Thank you 🙏 ❤
Gday, So what are those bands called please ? They seem thinner and wider than resistance bands. Thank you 👍
Theraband ribbon. 1.5m blue (extra heavy)
Perfect 👌
Watching this with a huge bruise on my arm lol. Very helpful for the next time. At first I shot with a posture that wasn't necessarily right but it felt comfortable for me and I could aim fairly well, but I also wanted to listen to the coaches and practice the right posture...that's when the string started hitting my arm. I thought I was doing something wrong but turns out it was just my overbending joints. The couch told me to bend my arm a little but that felt awkward and I started to miss a lot of shots. This is helpful. 🫡
Compound bows are better
Wait a second... you're not the REAL Gandalf!
Thank you very much. Very good info. JPE Archery Academy. Cheerio..
NO FINGER TABS OR ANY SORT OF PROTECTION???
Thank you and to your student for this material which demonstrated my main flaw I am struggling with, which is my alignment and when I come or fail to come into alignment. The take away from your video is working to come into alignment using the core and shoulders.
I’m 60 and starting. Will have to take this video with me to back yard. Thanks! Wish I had started sooner.
Hey? I have been an Archery for the last 2 years and I can't twist my arm...I tried twisting it but I can't...😢
Here you go: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mYyh0aiDlNLFoJs.htmlsi=ZqJgzfloMWa7bDNk
Hello! I bought tan bands to increase the relative strength of my training bow (I built it following your tech specs). If placing one band is OK (I place it identically to what I shown in the video), I encounter problems with more than one band. They actually roll up and down along the string as soon as I start pulling on my bow. Do you have any advise on how I should place them? I’m almost sure having already seen such a setting with several bands in one of your videos but without being able to find it back). Many thanks in advance!
I think this is the video you're looking for: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mKuWudtyhZevoLg.htmlsi=R5T21w5fw3nMSmYl Basically, put it between your fingers where the arrow would go!
Thank you very much for your lesson on how to calculate sight adjustments. Making precise sight correction adjustments always been a challenge to me. Today I tested your method and it worked perfectly to me. I have just one suggestion. Instead of counting in scale units I would suggest counting in clicks. While it doesn't change any adjustment settings, I think for some people it would be more convenient.
Hmm - I come more from the traditional side of archery, where there is more of a throwing of the chest forward. I think this is partlz to prevent the bow from rotating while using the back ideally to make the pull. This is more pronouced with thumb draw techniques and with longbows at very heavy draw weights.
Thanks for sharing! I'm definitely no expert on traditional styles of drawing, but observationally, that makes sense to me. Traditional archery styles, particularly where military archery styles have developed, tend to emphasise shooting heavy bows. Some of them REALLY heavy! Where as modern recurve archery the bows are nowhere near as heavy (probably 30-50% of the draw weight), but the emphasis is more on precise consistency.
@@RogueArcheryTV Just found an example kzread.infoV93oxThgWd0 I wonder if this would qualify as angular or linear or something entirely different.
@@foolwise4703 That's quite a good clip. Look, one of the points I was trying to make in the Linear vs. Angular draw video is that it's not the foundation of all good archery technique, and there are better ways to categorise techniques. By definition, any draw style where there is Angular motion of the bow throughout the draw is technically an "Angular" draw, but I don't think this is a particularly useful definition, as almost everyone does that to some degree. I don't want to be the guy to shoehorn this term into other shooting styles, and it's probably better to just call it what it is: Ultra heavy war bow drawing method!
@@RogueArcheryTV Haha fair enough.
Hey Jarryd. Something I've only recently come across regarding aligning the shoulders. Something I've been inconsistent with since starting archery 15 months ago. I've watched every video on KZread multiple times and most videos say to rotate the shoulders to get them into line but in doing so, it's very easy to roll the bow shoulder if not done correctly. It's only recently that I watched a video from a guy called Ashe from online Archer academy and he says to rotate the torso from the waste up. I tried it and it felt really good. My shoulders aligned in doing so, so much easier and It took the focus off trying to rotate the shoulders which like I said, it always felt different because I was approaching it wrongly. My whole point in this post is that when talking about shoulder rotation, would it not be better to mention that it's the torso that is meant to be twisted or rotated, which brings the shoulders into line? It was one of those ah ha moments....ive had a fair few of them 😂😂 but it has completely changed how I align my shoulders. It's something I've to work on now but it just feels so much better, rather than when I was trying to rotate my shoulders and not fully twisting my torso and getting different results. My bow shoulder stays in place and the whole movement is alot smaller than what I've been trying for ages to master. I hope you understand where I'm coming from but it's that one little explanation that has completely changed how I align my shoulders now. There's alot of videos about people having issues with their bow shoulder rolling forward and I'm thinking that maybe this could be related to it....well in some cases anyway. That little twist of the torso and the bow shoulder stays put and both shoulders move into alignment. Sry for the long post but what are your thoughts in it? Or am I completely wrong on this 🤦♂️🥴
What a fantastic analysis, this video help me with some doubts and will help me to improve a LOT. Keep making this videos you are doing it great
Thank you! What did you learn from this video that you can implement in training?
Well, I dont call what you are doing archery.
Then go watch videos about what you do consider archery, and let others enjoy the sport the way they want to.
What does it matter ?
well done everone! Congrats on the new bow Ella! Fantastic colour choice! Good luck defending the title Atticus!
New to your channel but i have to say your video analysis is on point. It makes visualizing things extremely clear.
Thank you and welcome! What did you learn?
@@RogueArcheryTV Well for starters i didnt know what linear vs angular draw was, to be honest i always associated it with torso rotation during draw. I was taught NTS but i haven't had a coach in years and i don't shoot olympic anymore anyways, so i was taught angular, but i think my draw is much more linear, and i experiment with angular sometimes but linear feels more natural to me. That said I think you have a good point that everything is a spectrum, to draw 100% linear is probably not very common if impossible. I also didnt know KSL had a book! Its in my amazon cart now haha.
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Can you help me with where to place my bow hand on the riser in all details
Covered briefly here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c6aA0K2qj67ej7w.htmlsi=qnQPudurIVFOXQvZ
@@RogueArcheryTV thank you. I will go through it.
Check out the full video here! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIukmtmCndjTabw.htmlsi=pa9TrRMrq7rzdO8I
Best video I have seen on this subject. May l added something: Linear draw requires sharp rotation of the draw arm scapula which puts undue load on the rhomboids which is prone to injury. This could be why archers often complain of a pricking pain under the scapula. With linear draw most of the work is done by the deltoid till you come nearly to end of it. Angular draw allows you to use the core muscles and trapezius do most of the work making it much more efficient. Once you come to anchor position you may use linear action or continue the angular motion to come of the clicker. Pros and corns of of these two methods of expansion may be discussed separately.
Thanks for your comment. I don't agree with everything you said though. The rhomboids (along with the trapezius and posterior deltoids) are the prime movers involved in scapular retraction and shoulder extension. These are the larger, more powerful muscles that are less prone to injury. Inefficient drawing styles tend to either: a) put too much strain on the smaller stabilising muscles such as those in the rotator cuff b) fatigue the prime movers, such that when they become fatigued more strain is put on the smaller stabilisers that are NOT strong enough to take heavy loads, leading to muscular strain. Sharp pain that is commonly felt under the scapular often presents as muscular spasm (not an injury) caused by either: a) inadequate warm up / warm down b) poor muscle tone c) overload d) some combination of the above The movement of the scapular retraction is almost identical for Linear or Angular draw (all else being equal). That being said, there are definitely factors which do overload the rhomboids, and I did a whole video on scapular positioning thriughout the draw sequence which covers this.
Check out the full video here! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mIukmtmCndjTabw.htmlsi=pa9TrRMrq7rzdO8I