Always looking forward to the next episode, thanks! 😊
@ladyprudence613 күн бұрын
I find it amusing that the host believes that newspapers today don't have a political slant- now more than ever it is obvious they do. I was expecting more of a Borden connection.
@ronicrotty554213 күн бұрын
Newspapers were never apolitical. I had a high school class (many many years ago) part of the final exam was to exam only the front page (mostly up above the fold) and determine the political leaning of the newspaper.
@MountainsRCallingMe14 күн бұрын
The only person that profited from those murders was Lizzie. She was guilty
@beckykyer38316 күн бұрын
i always wondered what abbys sister thought about who did this or other family and friends thoughts.lizzys first lie about the note from a sick friend convinced me she did it
@kjay1599319 күн бұрын
I would love to know the history of the (brownels). Where emma lived out the rest of her life after leaving maplecroft.
@user-tv1rf9sd1m26 күн бұрын
John did the killings they all planned it.
@user-tv1rf9sd1m26 күн бұрын
Both sisters and John and the maid killed them.
@user-tv1rf9sd1m26 күн бұрын
Both sisters and John and the maid killed them.
@kjay15993Ай бұрын
Never heard of this case. Thank you.. so now i have another case that will have me researching for years . As I do lizze Borden.
@robertvysther11382 ай бұрын
Abby Borden suffered with those two nasty stepdaughters. The more I read about her the more empathy I have for her.
@luisellamanesco18962 ай бұрын
THE. PRINCIPLES OF. SCIENTIFIC. MANAGEMENT. OF FREDERICK WINSLOV TAYLOR. GERMAN TOWN. BETHLEHEM. STEEL. COMPANY. PHILADELPHIA. PRINCIPLE. OF. THE. SUPER. RAPID. TOOL. STEEL. OF THE MACHINE. TOOL EQUIPMENT. ..VAI. LUCIANO. TECNIC WORKER. ROBELLA. ASTI. EUROPA.
@galelascala1053 ай бұрын
Did police look for thise pear cores she claimed she ate?
@galelascala1053 ай бұрын
Couldn't it be that shes killed Andrew, which wouldn't have taken long and with the coat orotecting her from blood, she goes to the barn so she can, in case anyone sees her, like the neighbors or people on the street ( it was a busy street), she has that alibi of being in the barn. She waits the 20 mins ir so, goes into the house and "discovers" the body. Blood would still be fresh and wet. I'm not convinced she was in the barn for 20-30 minutes. Might have been way less. She had money but she didn't have that huge inheritance that bought maplecroft.
@judithvasiiiyeva94843 ай бұрын
Awesome. Thank you!
@soullessmin4 ай бұрын
Thank you again for a great episode 😊
@abr71924 ай бұрын
Excellent interview with Sarah Miller. However, it was odd hearing Ms. Miller repeatedly refer to Abby Borden as Lizzie Borden’s parent. Abby Borden was Lizzie’s stepmother, an important difference.
@sharmanklinefelter5084 ай бұрын
i am going to buy his books
@sharmanklinefelter5084 ай бұрын
if lizzie did not do it then who did
@sstavsky3 ай бұрын
It would've been either Bridget Sullivan or an intruder.
@KatL222115 күн бұрын
If they were reluctant to consider a bucket full of bloody rags, then they also would’ve been reluctant to observe a woman in her petticoats. I never believed she did it in the nude, but I don’t see why she couldn’t have just removed her outer dress, and easily put it back on after. What other things were they reluctant to do for modesty sake?
@sharmanklinefelter5084 ай бұрын
you talk too fast to understand
@sharmanklinefelter5084 ай бұрын
the picture you have still shows those crazy eyes
@soullessmin4 ай бұрын
Another great episode, looking forward to the next one. I could happily listen to several more episodes of the two of you just discussing Lizzie, Fall River, or anything tbf 😊
@markhewitt21264 ай бұрын
Thank you. Keep up the excellent work!
@daina-lynn4 ай бұрын
Great episode! I agree that Dennis' voice is sublime.
@65hooptee4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for what you and your guests do for this very interesting slice of history. During your research have you ever been able to confirm or debunk the story that once Emma moved out of Maplecroft in 1904 the sisters never spoke to each other again?
@MondoLizzie4 ай бұрын
As far as we know, they never did speak again. But Emma defended her sister in on interview (that may or may not be a real interview). They dealt with each other through official means, lawyers, business managers, etc. There is no evidence they corresponded, unfortunately.
@65hooptee4 ай бұрын
Thank you for answering my question. When I first begun reading about this case years ago it was all about “Did she do it”. Now that is the least of my interests. There are so many interesting and fascinating things to learn about people, places, and the way we reacted to such horrible events in the 1890s. The things that happened to Dr. Bowen after the Acquittal I find amazing as well. one of the main police officers who testified at trial died just a few months after acquittal. It goes on and on.
@annalisette58974 ай бұрын
There are a number of women who have done the unthinkable, including some very recent cases. I will not mention names here in respect for Lizzie's memory, that she not be compared. We have a particularly notorious female offender right here in Idaho. When backgrounds of these women are explored, there are many warning signs. "Narcissism" is overly used at this time, but in general these women are self absorbed and have few if any scruples beyond what they want. Lizzie throughout her life, showed a great deal of empathy and compassion, and I believe that speaks for itself. Is the world a better place because she lived? Yes, I believe so.
@slacktoryrecords41935 ай бұрын
Dennis comes across like such a nice guy. Can’t wait for the next installment.
@soullessmin5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this, very interesting look inside the research process. I look forward to Part 2, and Part 3!
@p_nk72796 ай бұрын
Cara Robertson’s book is really good and gives a view on the inquest testimony; the dude was trying to trip her up and catch her in a lie. Yes, it’s weird and damaging but she was (at least in her way) trying to buffet the attack.
@TammyM367 ай бұрын
Really great reenactment here and I really appreciate the respect you are giving for Abby. It seems the two victims are often forgotten and brutal murders were committed in this otherwise fascinating case. Very interesting on the shutters. First I heard that they were closed. I’m guessing you are spot on when you say “the killer” shut them while walking by and I think Abby did turn around just as you say. When you think about it, Lizzie puts herself with both victims right before each death. She herself said that Abby told her she was going back up spare room to put two pillow shams on and that she’d be closing the room to keep clean as they were expecting company that next week. Lizzie must not have hesitated and followed her up very shortly after. Really incredibly sad and scary
@slacktoryrecords41938 ай бұрын
Loved listening to this episode and Michael Martins’ cool Massachusetts accent. I’m still mystified and disappointed by the decision (made by whom, I don’t know) to dispose of the clothes Andrew and Abby were wearing. First they get buried in the backyard (!), then dug up and …?
@asharrard8 ай бұрын
I wonder why he struck her so many times if his intent was robbery only. Did the first strike foment such rage that he kept going? If so, I suppose the same may be said of the Bordens’ murderer.
@SuperStrik98 ай бұрын
Never heard of this case before. As a true crime buff it's always great to find out and learn about cases I'm unfamiliar with.
@asharrard8 ай бұрын
That’s a whale of a story! I’m not convinced deMello did it. My money’s on John Morse. But in all seriousness, I enjoyed this interview. Felony murder does exist in MA and likely did in 1893. Poor Bertha. May she rest in peace. I’ll visit her grave next time I’m in Fall River.
@idahardy40528 ай бұрын
Yay! I’m glad to see a new video from you. ❤️
@heatherigreja912010 ай бұрын
I must thank the podcaster of this channel I am in the process of start my job as a tour guide at the Borden home and this is a good refresh of the Borden history thank you
@lindaspicer147210 ай бұрын
Drink a shot of booze every time he says "you know"!
@donbrentlinger761711 ай бұрын
She did it..But how...
@skylark125011 ай бұрын
I have been listening to Richard on previous podcasts and am sorry for your loss. His voice and wit and intelligence were well respected by Lizzie Borden Podcast buffs. He will be greatly missed. He made a substantial contribution to my understanding of his exhaustive detective work in exploring this case. My condolences, however belated, to his family.
@lesleydestin993211 ай бұрын
🌷 'promosm'
@skylark125011 ай бұрын
Very interesting discussion. Thank you. I flip flop about whether she was guilty of the murders. There’s compelling evidence on both sides. The trial was a snapshot of events. Not the whole story. I Like the stories about all The people on the periphery and learning what they believed given the story. A person is more than their worst act. These were horrific murders. But I have a feeling we just don’t know everything and are not likely to come to a solid conclusion about who is guilty. It certainly was a different time for the collection of evidence. Allowing neighbors and strangers to walk through the house to view the bodies was awful. But it was a different time.
@skylark125011 ай бұрын
I love that your interest is in the people surrounding the Borden murders and who through incidental circumstance got sucked into the case one way or another. That’s really interesting. The history of those folks is fascinating. Talking about them makes the world in which they lived come alive for us history buffs who are trying to figure this case out. Interesting podcast. I’m a cemetery buff and love old cemeteries and walk through them when I travel. Looking at past lives graves is a way of honoring their existence. Sadly everyone today wants to be cremated and they end up in someone’s closet or on the mantel or in the garage. So old Cemeteries offer a snapshot of history that is important. And tombstones tell a story about that time. Thanks for remembering Edwin Porter and giving him a historical tombstone to identify his burial site. Really exceptional podcast. Well done.
@skylark125011 ай бұрын
Excellent discussions. Thanks for presenting. I’m only recently looking at the Borden murders. True crime was never my thing until the Golden State Killer case in which the murderer preyed on women in my neighborhood. That scariness and his recent years ago capture made me interested in how murderers get caught, arrested, brought to trial, and convicted. So when I saw the book “The Trial of Lizzie Borden” I was fascinated by all the details I didn’t know. I remember the jump rope song and thought that was creepy as an 8 year old. But I didn’t know who Lizzie was. I read a lot of history, American history, and enjoy learning the details of what went on in the old days. And I like to look at architecture from that Victorian era. Not all sources I’ve looked at have meaningful information; yours does! Congratulations on your great work and thanks for sharing. I go back and forth on whose guilty for the murders of the Bordens. I think the floor plan of the 2nd street house can tell us a lot about who did it. And who didn’t. Motive is key as well. I may never get to the Fall River Historical Society but I’m glad you’ve put together so much insight into this fascinating and sad case.
@kerrygold649411 ай бұрын
Is the host saying Andrew Borden was worth $60 million. It was $6 million.
@skylark125011 ай бұрын
The public could never make up its mind about whether Lizzie did the murders. She was shunned after the verdict and yet all during the trial their were protests to her arrest. Does anyone know the significance of her naming the new estate “Maplecroft?” It really is quite a beautiful Mansion with even an indoor bathroom! If her father killed her pet pigeons with a hatchet then she may have used a hatchet as a signature payback.
@lizziebordenaudio Жыл бұрын
Is there any way you could change my name to Lizzie Borden Audio under donors? If not that's okay, I'll just donate again next month under that name.
@madamesalamander16 Жыл бұрын
Very timely, thank you. I am currently listening to his book. It's riveting.
@lizziebordenaudio Жыл бұрын
Fascinating deep dive on Porter. I think people will love knowing that his name appeared in the trial transcripts 12 times. I do hope that you reach ur goal to erect a headstone for Porter and his daughter Winifred's grave. Also, glad to hear what u said about Charles Sawyer.🐝🌺🌷🪦
@cjedwards5414 Жыл бұрын
Hi Lizzie Borden
@madamesalamander16 Жыл бұрын
I felt the mutton story had to be erroneous, as I have never seen an account where John complained of illness. He had the mutton for breakfast on Thursday morning as well. Interesting stuff!
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Always looking forward to the next episode, thanks! 😊
I find it amusing that the host believes that newspapers today don't have a political slant- now more than ever it is obvious they do. I was expecting more of a Borden connection.
Newspapers were never apolitical. I had a high school class (many many years ago) part of the final exam was to exam only the front page (mostly up above the fold) and determine the political leaning of the newspaper.
The only person that profited from those murders was Lizzie. She was guilty
i always wondered what abbys sister thought about who did this or other family and friends thoughts.lizzys first lie about the note from a sick friend convinced me she did it
I would love to know the history of the (brownels). Where emma lived out the rest of her life after leaving maplecroft.
John did the killings they all planned it.
Both sisters and John and the maid killed them.
Both sisters and John and the maid killed them.
Never heard of this case. Thank you.. so now i have another case that will have me researching for years . As I do lizze Borden.
Abby Borden suffered with those two nasty stepdaughters. The more I read about her the more empathy I have for her.
THE. PRINCIPLES OF. SCIENTIFIC. MANAGEMENT. OF FREDERICK WINSLOV TAYLOR. GERMAN TOWN. BETHLEHEM. STEEL. COMPANY. PHILADELPHIA. PRINCIPLE. OF. THE. SUPER. RAPID. TOOL. STEEL. OF THE MACHINE. TOOL EQUIPMENT. ..VAI. LUCIANO. TECNIC WORKER. ROBELLA. ASTI. EUROPA.
Did police look for thise pear cores she claimed she ate?
Couldn't it be that shes killed Andrew, which wouldn't have taken long and with the coat orotecting her from blood, she goes to the barn so she can, in case anyone sees her, like the neighbors or people on the street ( it was a busy street), she has that alibi of being in the barn. She waits the 20 mins ir so, goes into the house and "discovers" the body. Blood would still be fresh and wet. I'm not convinced she was in the barn for 20-30 minutes. Might have been way less. She had money but she didn't have that huge inheritance that bought maplecroft.
Awesome. Thank you!
Thank you again for a great episode 😊
Excellent interview with Sarah Miller. However, it was odd hearing Ms. Miller repeatedly refer to Abby Borden as Lizzie Borden’s parent. Abby Borden was Lizzie’s stepmother, an important difference.
i am going to buy his books
if lizzie did not do it then who did
It would've been either Bridget Sullivan or an intruder.
If they were reluctant to consider a bucket full of bloody rags, then they also would’ve been reluctant to observe a woman in her petticoats. I never believed she did it in the nude, but I don’t see why she couldn’t have just removed her outer dress, and easily put it back on after. What other things were they reluctant to do for modesty sake?
you talk too fast to understand
the picture you have still shows those crazy eyes
Another great episode, looking forward to the next one. I could happily listen to several more episodes of the two of you just discussing Lizzie, Fall River, or anything tbf 😊
Thank you. Keep up the excellent work!
Great episode! I agree that Dennis' voice is sublime.
Thank you so much for what you and your guests do for this very interesting slice of history. During your research have you ever been able to confirm or debunk the story that once Emma moved out of Maplecroft in 1904 the sisters never spoke to each other again?
As far as we know, they never did speak again. But Emma defended her sister in on interview (that may or may not be a real interview). They dealt with each other through official means, lawyers, business managers, etc. There is no evidence they corresponded, unfortunately.
Thank you for answering my question. When I first begun reading about this case years ago it was all about “Did she do it”. Now that is the least of my interests. There are so many interesting and fascinating things to learn about people, places, and the way we reacted to such horrible events in the 1890s. The things that happened to Dr. Bowen after the Acquittal I find amazing as well. one of the main police officers who testified at trial died just a few months after acquittal. It goes on and on.
There are a number of women who have done the unthinkable, including some very recent cases. I will not mention names here in respect for Lizzie's memory, that she not be compared. We have a particularly notorious female offender right here in Idaho. When backgrounds of these women are explored, there are many warning signs. "Narcissism" is overly used at this time, but in general these women are self absorbed and have few if any scruples beyond what they want. Lizzie throughout her life, showed a great deal of empathy and compassion, and I believe that speaks for itself. Is the world a better place because she lived? Yes, I believe so.
Dennis comes across like such a nice guy. Can’t wait for the next installment.
Thank you so much for this, very interesting look inside the research process. I look forward to Part 2, and Part 3!
Cara Robertson’s book is really good and gives a view on the inquest testimony; the dude was trying to trip her up and catch her in a lie. Yes, it’s weird and damaging but she was (at least in her way) trying to buffet the attack.
Really great reenactment here and I really appreciate the respect you are giving for Abby. It seems the two victims are often forgotten and brutal murders were committed in this otherwise fascinating case. Very interesting on the shutters. First I heard that they were closed. I’m guessing you are spot on when you say “the killer” shut them while walking by and I think Abby did turn around just as you say. When you think about it, Lizzie puts herself with both victims right before each death. She herself said that Abby told her she was going back up spare room to put two pillow shams on and that she’d be closing the room to keep clean as they were expecting company that next week. Lizzie must not have hesitated and followed her up very shortly after. Really incredibly sad and scary
Loved listening to this episode and Michael Martins’ cool Massachusetts accent. I’m still mystified and disappointed by the decision (made by whom, I don’t know) to dispose of the clothes Andrew and Abby were wearing. First they get buried in the backyard (!), then dug up and …?
I wonder why he struck her so many times if his intent was robbery only. Did the first strike foment such rage that he kept going? If so, I suppose the same may be said of the Bordens’ murderer.
Never heard of this case before. As a true crime buff it's always great to find out and learn about cases I'm unfamiliar with.
That’s a whale of a story! I’m not convinced deMello did it. My money’s on John Morse. But in all seriousness, I enjoyed this interview. Felony murder does exist in MA and likely did in 1893. Poor Bertha. May she rest in peace. I’ll visit her grave next time I’m in Fall River.
Yay! I’m glad to see a new video from you. ❤️
I must thank the podcaster of this channel I am in the process of start my job as a tour guide at the Borden home and this is a good refresh of the Borden history thank you
Drink a shot of booze every time he says "you know"!
She did it..But how...
I have been listening to Richard on previous podcasts and am sorry for your loss. His voice and wit and intelligence were well respected by Lizzie Borden Podcast buffs. He will be greatly missed. He made a substantial contribution to my understanding of his exhaustive detective work in exploring this case. My condolences, however belated, to his family.
🌷 'promosm'
Very interesting discussion. Thank you. I flip flop about whether she was guilty of the murders. There’s compelling evidence on both sides. The trial was a snapshot of events. Not the whole story. I Like the stories about all The people on the periphery and learning what they believed given the story. A person is more than their worst act. These were horrific murders. But I have a feeling we just don’t know everything and are not likely to come to a solid conclusion about who is guilty. It certainly was a different time for the collection of evidence. Allowing neighbors and strangers to walk through the house to view the bodies was awful. But it was a different time.
I love that your interest is in the people surrounding the Borden murders and who through incidental circumstance got sucked into the case one way or another. That’s really interesting. The history of those folks is fascinating. Talking about them makes the world in which they lived come alive for us history buffs who are trying to figure this case out. Interesting podcast. I’m a cemetery buff and love old cemeteries and walk through them when I travel. Looking at past lives graves is a way of honoring their existence. Sadly everyone today wants to be cremated and they end up in someone’s closet or on the mantel or in the garage. So old Cemeteries offer a snapshot of history that is important. And tombstones tell a story about that time. Thanks for remembering Edwin Porter and giving him a historical tombstone to identify his burial site. Really exceptional podcast. Well done.
Excellent discussions. Thanks for presenting. I’m only recently looking at the Borden murders. True crime was never my thing until the Golden State Killer case in which the murderer preyed on women in my neighborhood. That scariness and his recent years ago capture made me interested in how murderers get caught, arrested, brought to trial, and convicted. So when I saw the book “The Trial of Lizzie Borden” I was fascinated by all the details I didn’t know. I remember the jump rope song and thought that was creepy as an 8 year old. But I didn’t know who Lizzie was. I read a lot of history, American history, and enjoy learning the details of what went on in the old days. And I like to look at architecture from that Victorian era. Not all sources I’ve looked at have meaningful information; yours does! Congratulations on your great work and thanks for sharing. I go back and forth on whose guilty for the murders of the Bordens. I think the floor plan of the 2nd street house can tell us a lot about who did it. And who didn’t. Motive is key as well. I may never get to the Fall River Historical Society but I’m glad you’ve put together so much insight into this fascinating and sad case.
Is the host saying Andrew Borden was worth $60 million. It was $6 million.
The public could never make up its mind about whether Lizzie did the murders. She was shunned after the verdict and yet all during the trial their were protests to her arrest. Does anyone know the significance of her naming the new estate “Maplecroft?” It really is quite a beautiful Mansion with even an indoor bathroom! If her father killed her pet pigeons with a hatchet then she may have used a hatchet as a signature payback.
Is there any way you could change my name to Lizzie Borden Audio under donors? If not that's okay, I'll just donate again next month under that name.
Very timely, thank you. I am currently listening to his book. It's riveting.
Fascinating deep dive on Porter. I think people will love knowing that his name appeared in the trial transcripts 12 times. I do hope that you reach ur goal to erect a headstone for Porter and his daughter Winifred's grave. Also, glad to hear what u said about Charles Sawyer.🐝🌺🌷🪦
Hi Lizzie Borden
I felt the mutton story had to be erroneous, as I have never seen an account where John complained of illness. He had the mutton for breakfast on Thursday morning as well. Interesting stuff!