The very fact that Lizzy assumed that the maid was still alive, seems like an incriminating item of interest. The Smithsonian did an investigation on this case, and mentioned that lizzys father can be seen on the sofa with his favorite coat crumpled behind his head, a coat he would not have bunched up to sleep on, and that the coat itself might have been worn by the killer to avoid blood stains on their clothes and afterwards stuffed under the old man's head

Lizzie did the murder no one else had a motive and was able to murder both and no one had the time to do it except for Lizzie.

Regarding the note that Abby was meant to have received: if you look at Addy Churchill's testimony, you see something striking. Bridget tells her independently of Lizzie that Abby had told her that she received a note and she was going to go out to visit someone. Bridget said it was unusual for Abby not to tell her where she was going.

@dougtaylor2803

2 жыл бұрын

???...awkward

you honestly think Lizzie was innocent? So who was it? How did he hide for the hours between the murders, then escape, covered in blood? Rhubarb! It was Lizzie.

Of course she did it, the actual circumstantial evidence alone condemns her in reality, if not in law. No other solution makes any real sense. She was lucky, ultimately. Half of the town (and area) wanted her acquitted because they thought she was innocent, and the other half wanted her acquitted in spite of believing she was guilty. And the judge influenced the court and the jury in her favor.

This is excellent. Thank you.

Cara Robertson’s book is really good and gives a view on the inquest testimony; the dude was trying to trip her up and catch her in a lie. Yes, it’s weird and damaging but she was (at least in her way) trying to buffet the attack.

when I am in the hospital after surgery, a little morphine in the PICC line to sleep is a beautiful thing!

If the bedroom door was wide open when Lizzie called Bridget informing her that her father had been killed and was still wide open when Mrs Churchill went up the stairs ,then it must have been in the same position when Lizzie stood on the stairs & laughed as Bridget struggled with the bolts on the front door.

@daddydavey9067

3 жыл бұрын

Lizzie Called up to Bridget at the rear steps. Bridget couldn't access her room any other way. She wouldn't see the open guestroom door until they looked for Mrs. Borden later, from the front steps... Just sayin'. 🤓

Are the remainder episodes available? In production?

I think Lizzie was guilty of both murders. That's just my opinion though.

She did it and if it were tried today, it would be a clear and cut case. I have sooo many isssues with this case. #1: Getting rid of the dress. #2: Telling a neighbor the night before the murders that she's afraid someone might try to kill her father. #3: Remaining in the house after finding her father, while she sends others for help. #4: She repeatedly tells people to go find Abby, hmmm. #5: There is no way that someone entered that house for that short amount of time just to hack 2 people to death for no reason at all and then miraculously disappear. #6: Lizzy had AMPLE motive. I could go on and on and on.

@Billygoatsgrruff

Жыл бұрын

the made up note, and if she were in the barn staring out the window, how the hell did someone get in or out without her seeing them

@TheOriginalSubstance

Жыл бұрын

Not the case, actually. EVERYONE that knows the case well has sooo many issues with the case. Its fraught with inconsistencies and things you can call " all out bullsh**" But going by evidence allowed, It has been retried by modern day court, and again, the conclusion has been that enough reasonable doubt existed. They didn't have to prove "how it was done" only that beyond a reasonable doubt that she did it. She sure had motive, means and opportunity. But there was no weapon tying her to it. No hard physical evidence, tying physically to her and enough doubt and question with the fact that a stranger Could have entered the residence. Unfortunately it would NOT be a "clear and cut case"

Elizabeth was 'in her cycle and killed them 'in her under's.

People always look for financial motives. But I think the pigeon slaying might have played a bigger role, for an animal lover like Lizzie. And eating spoiled mutton meat for a week, assuming it wasn't poisoned, might have been the last straw.

Uncle John traveled w/o toothbrush.

RIP Lizzie Borden

The song isn’t really to the tune of Ta Ra Ra Boom-de-Ay....

@OldHeathen1963

2 жыл бұрын

That sucks...cringe.

A contemporary news report said Andrew Borden's slippers were put back on his feet before the photograph. This was considered more dignified.

@daddydavey9067

3 жыл бұрын

But I've always wondered.. isn't it somewhat undignified to leave ones brains splattered to the winds in a proper photograph? "Mr. Borden.. might you please scoop yourself together? This is for posterity. "🤓

@annalisette5897

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddydavey9067 LOL! And have you seen the postmortem photo on the 'cooling rack' from when the autopsy took place in the dining room?

@daddydavey9067

3 жыл бұрын

@@annalisette5897 God no... What's that?

@annalisette5897

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddydavey9067 It's available. Probably easy by Googling 'Andrew Borden, images'. There are several extremely graphic pictures. The famous one on the couch, I guess, was the one fit to be printed in a regular newspaper of the day. At least neighbors put his shoes back on, according to one contemporary report. (Interestingly, much is made of the fact that his coat was bunched up under his head. Some theorize that Lizzie wore the coat to cover her dress then jammed it under cushions at the arm of the sofa. I wonder if photographers used it to get a better angle for their cameras which in those days could not be pointed downward?)

I feel that Lizzie did murder her father and step mother.The question I have is whether Bridget knew or helped.Also ws the siste Emma involved? or knew either before or after.Going to the basement for the 2nd time the night of the murders is suspicious! What was in that pail/bucket? Was that dress she burned really covered in paint? Or blood?This was an interesting and ,etertaining podcast.

The boots were reapplied.

I still think Lizzie murdered one or both of the victims. Since the time of the murders could not be pinpointed, Lizzie had the time and opportunity to do the deed. And yes, she could have been naked when she did the murders. She certainly had numerous motives to kill her father and stepmother. The two speakers on this podcast already have their minds made up that Lizzie didn't do the murders.

@jaymesguy239

6 жыл бұрын

Come on, she killed BOTH! Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense. ;)

@sandyotelli8886

5 жыл бұрын

@@jaymesguy239 seems like she hated them both since long especially Abby👿😒Everyone can admit she had the best motive😠🔨

She didn't even check on her step mother????

I've always found the story related by the nurse who said that Lizzie told her that a boyfriend of hers had done the crime quite interesting. I've yet to read anything about her ever having a boyfriend or lover, but I still think it's plausible. Seems like a simple explanation that could have happened. Maybe she had a secret love. Or maybe she seduced someone and persuaded him to do it for her. Wouldn't be the first time women have used their, shall we say, charms to elicit something they want from a man. Maybe she met someone on that cruise and maintained a correspondence with him. Then there was church--perhaps he could have been married so no one knew. Wish there more detail to the woman's story. Seems like an odd thing for Lizzie to lie about to the lady. Why bother when she could have just said she had nothing to do with it and doesn't know who did it? Or is the woman making it up? That's possible too, but she was convincing if she was.

@sandyotelli8886

5 жыл бұрын

She is not even sexy seriously 😣😒rather fat and without any trace of seduction power at all💇😠a married man?😕nooo 😮why would someone like this do that for her?what would he gain?the victims especially the Father was well respected🙏it would not make any sense👎😑

@sarahholland2600

3 жыл бұрын

That's like a child's "a big boy did it & ran away" excuse!

Guilty. ( I know this family ) 😉

THAT'S considered a 'children's book'? What's next, "Are you there God? It's me, the Black Dahlia"? Just kidding. Fun read, but yeah, a pretty gory, dark tale. Can't say I'm a big fan of the male host, he's kind of a dumbass, but the female author is more listenable. But I stll think Lizzie did it; no other theory really makes sense, nor does her defense.

If I had been Lizzie I would have grabbed a spare bedsheet to wrap myself in before killing anyone with a hatchet. I can't imagine the reasoning in wearing my everyday clothing for such an event. Quick on, quick off. Not much cleanup after. Just hide one sheet. That's what I would have thought of beforehand. 🤔

@FetchTheSled

3 жыл бұрын

She could have covered her head in the same way. Just her face and hands to clean after.

@daddydavey9067

3 жыл бұрын

@@FetchTheSled Exactly. Well,we solved it. What do we tackle next?

@FetchTheSled

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddydavey9067 lol! I'm game. She prob wore a burqa like she saw on her grand tour. Lizzie was quite cunning and crafty.

@americaneclectic

3 жыл бұрын

I also think she dropped the hatchet into the privy. Gone forever.

@sarahholland2600

3 жыл бұрын

She wore the bloodsoaked folded up coat pictured under Andrews head in crime scene photo . It was described as a very hot day, so he wouldn't have been wearing it & a famously frugal man wouldn't use an expensive item like a coat as a cushion.

can do without tha dolly

tha giggling kid too annoying, next

I don't know how they've managed it, but the makers and narrators of this video have rendered one of the most interesting and mysterious murders of all time - BORING!!!

12 podcasts to long

@Jasper7182009

2 жыл бұрын

Many of us are enjoying the podcasts. All of them …

stop with the bloody rhymes already

@jaymesguy239

6 жыл бұрын

I thought just that as I started listening, lol! It's sooo cliche by now and only really conjurs up those 'psycho-biddie' movies of the sixties. 'Took an axe, TOOK AN AXE!!!"