What they should have done a long time ago when they started having housing shortages is A) Make houses account wide so your alts can just use a single house, and limit the number of houses an account can purchase overall.

@jordanofshadowlightening6040

Жыл бұрын

Account shared house is smart

@AgentRedShirt

Жыл бұрын

Id be happy if I could just add my alts to my house. But alas.. you cant add somone not on your friends list. And since this is the only MMO in existence that Ive played that requires somone to be online to add them to your friends list, you cant add yourself, so nope nope.

@StrangerForever85

Жыл бұрын

LOTRO does that. All characters on a world (that you have) share the same house.

@pheonixuk20

Жыл бұрын

I get the I'm not allowed to purchase any more properties on accounts assigned to my service account. So I'm surprised people get away with this. I've been super lucky with housing. In the previous system and current.

@Eggwhut

Жыл бұрын

You can only have one house per account on each data centre, that's been added. People just use the loophole of making FCs to own the houses instead.

This is such an interesting microcosm of the housing crisis we're experiencing in the real world - landlord companies claiming they should get to own and not use all these homes while people are literally homeless

@skiefyre123

Жыл бұрын

The difference is IRL the landlord can rent those houses out giving people somewhere to live while gaining value. In game the houses are literally only for them period.

@presshart

Жыл бұрын

@@skiefyre123 While this is true, there are a lot of buildings here in San diego sitting at 60% capacity because its cheaper not to rent out the apartments and let them sit empty..soooo...lol

@TURBOGABBA

Жыл бұрын

@@presshart not just San Diego but basically everywhere. Denying people housing under any circumstances is a horrible practice.

@skiefyre123

Жыл бұрын

@@presshart If it's cheaper not to rent them then there is govt intervention at play and that's hardly the fault of the land owner. The more govt messes with things the worse they tend to get.

@rollandklontz

Жыл бұрын

Bad analogy. The lack of housing is not the reason there is a homeless crisis.

"You're not wrong. You're just an asshole." - somebody

@TheHeartlessFour

15 күн бұрын

The Dude

How it should be: one house maximum per world per account or FC, shared between all your characters on that world. How it is: one person buying up as many plots as possible across as many wards and subdivisions as possible, and saying dumb things like "if you all put in more time and effort you could get a house" and "stop 'harassing' and 'stalking' and 'shaming' me for buying up every housing plot" because they can only "enjoy" the game by ruining it for everyone else.

@arturius9715

Жыл бұрын

Players complaining about getting a house are full sht. It's extremely easy to get a house when they open new wards. It may not be the one you want, but you can get one

@torashiki5646

Жыл бұрын

@@arturius9715 Its luck whatever you win or not, and when there are groups of people playing mr. monopoly, the odds are stacked extremely against you and they wont even actually USE the house. Recently a friend entered on an Ishgard plot's lottery and out of the 20~ or so people in it, 15 were slum lords werent going to use the house for anything but to put it away from the reach of an actual user.

@torashiki5646

Жыл бұрын

Make it 1 personal per Data Center, and 1 per FC.

@arturius9715

Жыл бұрын

@Torashiki there's going to be troll instances like what you just said. Majority cases are not like that. I would advise your friend to bid on a small, which he will probably have no contest on. Then after he gets a house, bid on mid to low tier mediums

@LadyTsunade777

Жыл бұрын

​@@arturius9715 hello pathetic housing "collector", you're replying exactly as Zepla said in the tweet she showed at the start of this video - playing the victim and saying everyone else needs to just "put in more effort" or some other similarly worthless excuse

"Have a magical day" is the new "bless her heart"

lol the amount of narcissism from this multi house owner is insane

In 99% of cases, if your enjoyment of the game comes at the expense of litterally every other player, then it shouldn’t be in the game and you need to re-evaluate what you find fun.

I'll always find it funny that every time Zepla does a video like this, she's in Old Sharlyan, sitting down, her bun staring at the camera and she just has a harem of bun girls behind her with the inclusion of a bunboy, a random catgirl and a hyur, looking like she owns the place lol

This can be boiled down to: "Just because you *can* do something, doesn't mean you *should* ..."

@Magnarmis

Жыл бұрын

I can legally walk down the road and flip off elderly people. That doesn't mean I won't be an asshole for doing it.

@TheDoctorRobotnik

Жыл бұрын

Wise words spoken by Dr. Ian Malcolm.

@cattysplat

Жыл бұрын

This is why stuff like this gets regulated in real life or you get feudalism.

Yesterday was the first time I met a neighbor. Our ward is nearly completely filled with standard houses (empty garden incl). I've never met the person who bought all those houses, so it was very lonely there. Now finally someone else moved there - and the first subject we talked was about those multi-house-hoarders. It just sucks.

@t0nkys

Жыл бұрын

I recognise your name, I think I'm one of your actual neighbours!! Sorry if I'm actually wrong but mini excitement lol

@avelinevarlineau7123

Жыл бұрын

@@t0nkys Oh, hey 🙂Now I'm curious. Server Alpha?What's your house number?

@t0nkys

Жыл бұрын

@@avelinevarlineau7123 I’m in Shirogane house number 11 on shiva, I can’t remember which ward 😂😂 I’m the goblin potato!! Toadsy :D With the giraffe and plushie pile :D I never got to see your house finished yet!!

@t0nkys

Жыл бұрын

@@avelinevarlineau7123 fyi I’m going to be so sad if you’re not the neighbours I’m thinking of 😂😂

@avelinevarlineau7123

Жыл бұрын

@@t0nkys Sadly I'm not :-(I started on Shiva, but never got a house there, so I moved to Alpha when it came out . Whoever your neighbor is, if the surname is "Varlineau", then the person might be a huge fan of Estinien ;-) like I am

These people feel like their getting doxxed because they spend more time in game than in real life so it feels like they themselves are being targeted. 💀

The people who behave like that are complete goobers. I'd hate to know how they act IRL

@thuncerd1087

Жыл бұрын

They don’t act like anything irl because they don’t go out.

@omniburrito

Жыл бұрын

probably the same kind of people that buy up essential resources during a crisis or pandemic, and then get mad when the laws strike down on them for doing something that is extremely amoral.

@DioDiablo702

Жыл бұрын

That's exactly how they act in real life

@XDD50Hz

Жыл бұрын

@@thuncerd1087 fucking gottem🤣🤣🤣

@belphegor_dev

Жыл бұрын

MMORPGs attract garbage people, like the poster in this video.

I feel like Squeenix should just bring the hammer down and be a lot more ruthless about dealing with people who have found exploits or workarounds to monopolise limited resources that are intended to be shared amongst players, not exclusively owned by only a small few.

@LittleHobbit13

Жыл бұрын

You should definitely have to maintain the minimum # of people required to create a free company in order to maintain owning a home. I think that would absolutely cut down on people using the "solo FC" loophole. And end the grandfathering that people took advantage of when SE eliminated unlimited homeownership. Just tell those people "pick one to keep and we'll compensate in-game for taking back the rest".

@Khayon_The_Kingbreaker

Жыл бұрын

Yep, their are way to many wards that are owned by a single person. One of the big ones I see everywhere is the FC Night

@xSaraxMxNeffx

Жыл бұрын

they...are intended to be owned by a small few though. The moment they desided to make housing a limited resource instead of instanced they created a prestige item. They say they want a 'community feel' which is why they keep the housing wards and limited number of houses to make the servers not explode. But they HAVE to know they created a prestige item and if they didnt want it that way they'd change it. getting angry about something that isnt ever going to change (i promise they are not going to change it, they would have by now) does nothing but stress yourself out. If people are going to drain their wallets to be trolls, then they're going to do it one way or another. If they start being more ruthless about housing, those of us who arent exploting it will be hurt far more than those that are.

@mikaruyami

Жыл бұрын

A much better solution, and this might be an unpopular opinion, could be for SE to just have wards tied to separate individual servers and for them to rent out these ward servers or allow ppl to host their own ward server(as long as the server is determined safe). These servers then either get tied to a single SE Account/FC and those ppl are denied the ability to purchase public plots as well as given the ability to transfer any existing owned plots to their server. This might also screw over the ppl buying plots for RMT purposes abit.

@StartouchArts

Жыл бұрын

@@xSaraxMxNeffx How would those that AREN'T exploiting it be hurt more than those who are? One house per player ACCOUNT, require 10 minimum members to get a house, and require those with multiple houses to relinquish all but 1 home; force teleport them to the wards they have homes in and keep them locked in wards they own houses until they throw all but 1 house away. This impacts shell FC's and grandfather-abusers infinitely more than the average player, who likely only have 1 home anyways. The needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few.

You have to hand it to Sqenix. Their housing is so realistic they even added in the rich people who buy up all the property so they can jack up the prices for everyone else!

The comment that annoys me the most from the house hoarder is the whole "let me play the game the way I enjoy it" - so they're literally saying the way they like to enjoy FF14 is to actively be someone that makes other player's experience with the game worse.

The people who say "but SE lets me do it, so it's okay" don't understand that being able to do something is not mutually exclusive with if it's morally right.

@GaleGrim

Жыл бұрын

Also, they PHYSICALLY let them yes, but that doesn't mean it isn't against ToS. Like "letting me do it" is being generous. The GMs and square probably don't even know they exist, yet alone that they are abusing the house market to do this crap. Or are still contemplating what to do. like ""Obstruction of play" refers to all behavior in general that ". I'm pretty sure buying out a whole ward that you will NEVER use completely and thus obstructing the play of others trying to get a house counts. Sure it isn't on the example list, but the list is noted as "Non-exhaustive" as in "their are probably more ways beyond this, but here are some common examples".

@mysidian

Жыл бұрын

@@GaleGrim They do know they exist. If it was forbidden they would've already gotten banned. Because plenty of people report this, thinking this is somehow against the rules. It isn't.

@waltlock8805

Жыл бұрын

This is part of SOE's vision. They want the competition and the winners and losers. Otherwise, they'd just make different neighborhoods with instanced housing like every other MMO has done for years.

I am not at all shocked and amazed at the sheer greed of some people who think buying pixelated houses with pixelated currency in mass quantities makes them think they are better than other players. In a game that has a fantastic community in general, it's people like these who ruin the game for others.

@papercat5829

Жыл бұрын

Its probably that feeling of almost nobody else has this. So its basically mmo clout. Its just that the clout is taking stuff away from other people which is why its bad.

@zeening

Жыл бұрын

it DOESNT have a fantastic community in general, how many fkin issues can we say "well it's a great community eXcEpT fOr ThiS "oNe" iSsUe!11!!1" before you realize ITS NOT A GREAT FREAKING COMMUNITY!?!??!? they even have a clause in their TOS now that you CANNOT ASK A TANK TO PUT THEIR TANK STANCE UP BECAUSE THATS FORCING YOUR PLAYSTYLE ON ANOTHER PERSON, it's why i haven't ran roulettes since early SHB because you can literally get kicked and reported now for asking people to do the damn role they QUED UP FOR....

@Scarheart76

Жыл бұрын

@@zeening Individual experiences will vary. I gave my opinion on the community and you gave yours. Have a nice day.

Slum lords are just one problem of many, unfortunately. One reason why someone would want to even buy multiple houses is because the limitations placed on house owners is incredibly limited. Wards in general are not a great idea because of it, but it's what we've got. I'd have hoped that the Island Sanctuary would be a place where people can actually put down the outdoor furnishings that they've collected and put in storage, but it doesn't seem like that'll be the case anytime soon.

@FishSkeleton-

Жыл бұрын

This is why I warned people not to get excited for Island Sanctuary if that was what they wanted from it. It was clear ever since it was revealed that it was supposed to be available for everyone, and since the houses and item placement specifically take up so much server space it was never going to let you freely place housing items. For those who don't know, housing items are why houses are so limited, as Square keeps several backups of all houses and where items are placed so nothing ever gets lost between updates and server crashes. Island Sanctuary was always going to be closer to WoW Garrisons at most, which is to say pre-selected areas around the island where you can choose to build specific buildings, but no decorating or customizing beyond plonking something like a chocobo stable down in a certain allowed spot instead of, say, a sandbox where your minions can play together.

@Auhsa

Жыл бұрын

​@@FishSkeleton- If only our islands could have the amenities a house can have my FC would give up our plot in a heartbeat, we don't hang there. None of us care about decorating, we put up some pretty trees to not embarrass the neighborhood but it does feel bad that someone more imaginative and neighborly can't have what we only use because everything is in one spot.

@djhicks1571

Жыл бұрын

I would gladly give up both my houses on NA and EU if housing was like Island Sanctuary. My issue is that I can’t stand on my island idle too long or I am going to be returned to the mainland. Which is silly to me. I should be able to afk there as long as I want.

@xSaraxMxNeffx

Жыл бұрын

@@FishSkeleton- while they limit the number of houses because of server load; that could EASILY be fixed by just instancing the damned housing. But no, square wants to 'foster community'. i dont know what its like in the japan servers but MY GOD does no one ever interact with neighbors. but they keep pushing it.

I understand why they don't want to switch to instanced housing, they've made it clear that they want to keep the community aspect of having a neighborhood. Obviously, that doesn't pan out when 1 person buys everything. I would implement a few changes: 1) Switch to make owning a house account-wide. This will eliminate the biggest problem going forward. 2) Add a monthly taxing/upkeep cost system for those who current have multiple houses. Gil is fairly easy to come by in the game, this will help eat up some gil inflation and put pressure on those being greedy. 3) Add a limited-time relinquishing reward for those with multiple houses. This will give them their bragging rights and incentivize them to open up their plots. (Probably give those who hate the slum lords a nice target too). 4) Allow houses to convert from FC/Personal and make all housing lots this type.

As long as it is not against TOS there are nothing we can do about it, anything we suggest to ''do about it'' is just harassment as per SQEX TOS, I put the ultimate blame on SQEX refusing to pull the trigger and stop grandfathering or leaving loopholes in.

@GaleGrim

Жыл бұрын

Actually it COULD be against ToS as a form of obstruction of play and a few other rules, but I've personally yet to see a GM's opinion on this (not so say they haven't voiced one, I just haven't seen ones personally). Like, the examples on the ToS page aren't exhaustive. Cause crappy people will ALWAYS try and find new ways to loop hole their way into being able to be crappy. So weather or not something is against the ToS is a little bit at squares discretion.

@Verpal

Жыл бұрын

@@GaleGrim Here is the thing though, these ''multiowner'' garnered a lot of hates over the years, tons of people have reported them, their reports ought to be mountain by now, if there is action against them, it should already have happened, yet nothing happened.

@zeening

Жыл бұрын

@@GaleGrim they literally don't give a fk, they have examples IN their tos about early pulling, on primal/famfrit we've been havng 2 people early pull every single S rank for weeks now, thousands of reports and we've actually had multiple people GET SUSPENDED FOR SENDING WHISPERS TO THE EARLY PULLERS..... the company is literal trash ran by a bunch of weak soy babies, and i literally cannot believe i just typed that sentence but it's sadly pretty true

I wish they would decorate their gardens, at least. It is soo depressing to have your house in an area, surrounded by empty, bare, generic shell FC houses. Those plots are like ghost towns.

19:35 "Would you be happier if they had a good reason."

@Ariancia.Thystarian

Жыл бұрын

I see the Zenos quote ^^

I wanna see this guy's reaction when the housing system gets updated again and SE nukes their entire ward

@setsuna5919

Жыл бұрын

the thing is they probably wont do anything I heard previously in the beginning individuals can buy more than 1 plot and there is an individual who bought the whole area, and after they enforce the system 1 person 1 plot thing, those plot that already bought arent revoke this is a story that I heard in NA data center long time ago, not sure if its true or not

@LordFinkenstein

Жыл бұрын

@@setsuna5919 It's true, the people who already had multiple house where grandfathered in. Though to be fair they would have to implement a who new system that makes those players chose which house to keep while relinquishing the others, which could be a rather difficult to code and time consuming process for such an admittedly small amount of offenders.

@rynfiaryn

Жыл бұрын

@WarpedPerceptions Or they could just demolish them all, refund the gil, and make them buy a new house along with everyone else.

@LordFinkenstein

Жыл бұрын

@@rynfiaryn That's to extreme considering most of the people grandfathered in weren't breaking any rules at the time and bought them on low pop servers with absolutely no demand for housing. It's hard to believe considering the state of housing now, but there was a time where there were servers with multiple wards that we're completely empty, especially in goblet.

@rynfiaryn

Жыл бұрын

@@LordFinkenstein I thought we were talking about people currently doing it.

refreashing to hear a content creator not take the dev's bull for the millionth time.

I actually had one of these multi-house owners try to scam me out of my house. They asked if I could switch with another house they had in the ward - sounded fishy from the start. I did a little investigating and it turned out the owner of the other house was not one of their alts or fc mates. Chatted with them and found out they knew nothing about a housing switch and said they would never sell or leave. Be on the look out for housing scams!

@Baestard

Жыл бұрын

People do that!? Thats so vile D:

The "help you get a house" person just oozes stereotypical toxic gamer vibes

I love the hair and new bunny ears. The ears look super realistic

Reminds me of the duo on Mateus that bought out the entire ward as a single entity and then threw a tantrum when they had an article posted about them and didn't understand why both the article and them got massive backlash. Like, idk, maybe it's because you're greedy scumbags who treated people like shit while you did it? idk man. Can't relate. lmao

@arturius9715

Жыл бұрын

They did nothing wrong. The game allowed them to buy that many houses without exploit. I know Alice, and she bought all those houses after a week of no one buying them. Probably because they were all goblet. Also, as a top designer, she created a small town with themes for all the houses. It's actually quite amazing to visit

@melissas4874

Жыл бұрын

@@arturius9715 What server, ward, etc is this on?

@arturius9715

Жыл бұрын

@@melissas4874 Spriggan gob ward 20

@melissas4874

Жыл бұрын

@@arturius9715 That's EU so - oh well. I can kind of understand why they would buy up empty plots - my FC mates did the same thing because nobody was bidding on EMP housing around our FC. But they didn't make them all FC houses with alts - they bought personal houses and gave us permissions if we wanted. It is nice that she got to express herself, but maybe if it's this much drama she should be kind to her fellow players? The reality is that humans are selfish and greedy and if they see something as limited, whether it be housing in a video game or toilet paper in a pandemic, they are going to greedily try to take as much as possible. The people in the pandemic were being allowed to buy as much resources as they want, but that doesn't mean they aren't assholes. I know this isn't a life or death situation, but neither was toilet paper honestly - it's called a shower, just go wash your asshole. The reason baby formula is so hard to find is because of assholes hording. We are allowed to do a lot of things - doesn't mean we should.

@sargehavoc

Жыл бұрын

They also did that WELL prior to the sudden import of roleplayers. Before that time, lots of plots sat vacant and undesired. Keep in mind this was in the age of "first come first served" and not a lotto or placard timer system. The sense of entitlement from those who had no interest or dog in that race at the time of is quite telling. Perhaps rather than presuming access to something is owed, spend more time appreciating what is already in hand.

in a way im really glad this happened cause im pretty sure they were patting themselves on the back "YEAH WE ARE SO SMART WITH THIS LOTTERY STUFF" eventually there will be a point the complaints cant be ignored and thats when they do something

@presshart

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Sometimes a problem needs to become so big and ugly that the developers wont have any other choice but to fix it lol

@FishSkeleton-

Жыл бұрын

The lotteries are far from perfect but I sure do like this more than the former way you had to compete for a house, where everyone was basically out of luck unless they downloaded an auto-clicker bot. I was much happier just submitting my bid, stepping away, and hoping in the back of my mind through the lotto cycle, getting to play the rest of the game in the meantime instead of clicking a placard for hours on end. It felt hopeless as I'm on Mateus, a very crowded server, and auctions were often 200+ entrants per lot, but I did get lucky with this last round of ward releases, thankfully.

Crazy thought that is probably just a "Hot Take", Square Enix is literally god at the end of the day in XIV, why not visit every data center and anyone with more than 1-2 places instantly loses all the others and are permanently locked out of the lottery until they demolish their house? This is literally just greed for the sake of greed, obviously you'll have to reimburse them for lost gil but then again people that do this willingly to this degree maybe don't reimburse them, im not saying they should go this route but it is an option, me personally I got an Apartment in the Mist and that's plenty for me end of the day I could care less the route they go but doing this to this degree should be punishable locking out other players simply because you have a monopoly complex.

This reminds me of that scene in Brooklynn 99 where Scully goes to the urinal while still on his rolling chair. He argues, "I can go anywhere with this chair" but Jake looks in disgust and says "buuuut... you shouldn't." Doing something within the safety net of legality doesn't mean its automaticaly treated as fair, or appropriate.

I understand SE:FFXIV wanting houses to feel like a luxury, at this point, with how many people actively play and WANT housing, something needs to change wether it be account wide one house per server, or something entirely different. Instances would remove the neighbor aspect which is something i do enjoy seeing. But let’s be real, the apartments just dont cut it. Have all these outdoor items and no place to use them. Id enjoy something bigger and without a outdoor area. Maybe even give houses the options to add extra rooms, similar to the FC house but that way those houses can “feel” bigger without actually reflecting it. The current hoarding situation has been here since houses were introduced, years ago, time to change and adapt Honestly

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

I find it odd they didn't use island sanctuary to try to satiate at least a little bit of the decoration cravings people have. It wouldn't fix housing but some people would be a little happier with just that.

@CloudsCrux

Жыл бұрын

@@marslarahonestly so am i. I just started the island, went in “blind” And had hoped i would get to “build” my own home and decorate as i wanted. Would be sad to not have neighbors but would fill the void of my decorating needs and just wanting to design stuff without a mass amount of gil or deal with housing wars. Call me dumb, but most my “free” gil, i give away to new players in our FC and friends just starting out so they don’t have to stress gearing up or travel costs.

@norightturn7047

Жыл бұрын

I haven't seen a single other person in my ward since Stormblood so at this point the whole social aspect of wards for a lot of areas doesn't really matter. Just keep the old wards and make new instance housing for everyone. It's not perfect but probably the best way forward at this point.

@CloudsCrux

Жыл бұрын

@@norightturn7047 the ishgard ward my apartment is in is actually really active for being new. It is distant from ward to ward, server to server, but i do like seeing random players just running amuk lol I guess with just some thinking, if it were to go to instance, If you could like cycle through which house is displayed for you in the ward for the other houses. Like if your neighboring house had three players and two players didn’t decorate, could you swap to see the one that did for example

I think the greatest issues are as follows: - Crossbred gardening is locked behind an estate. Allowing crossbreeding gardening by another means available to everyone will relieve some of the housing pressure. - Airships/Subs are locked behind an FC estate. Allowing FCs to exist in an exclusive instance or enable the FC workshop to function outside the estates ("Rent" from the Ironworks?) would alleviate some of the housing pressure. - For people looking to have a venue to decorate, a private instance would be easy to have, wouldn't it?

@cattysplat

Жыл бұрын

The developers know this. They designed this exclusive system to exclude people. They likely enjoy it themselves. The tech for instanced systems is already there (apartment, island sanctuary).

The best fix for this IMO is having both the current neighborhood houses with instanced ones, as you run through any ward you have a small road that goes "somewhere", that being your instanced house, themed around that neighborhood, and how many houses you could own work the same as retainers, the first one being free, and if you want more houses, it would be at an additional cost and only be allowed to be instance ones, it is you who decides what you value more, the house, or the neighborhood feel of it. As for those who create an FC just to get a second house there could be an obstacle, but not an absolute fix, make FCs have a certain amount of members before they can apply to having a house, be any house, or depending on how many members you have, the size of the house (5 members for small, 10 for med and so on) Again, this is not absolute and would only be more of a time/money sink for those who really want to do this stuff, but unless SE is willing to spend people and resources into solving this issue, the best they would do is just slow these players down.

@ArCSelkie37

Жыл бұрын

I'd love a house, but I don't have the means or the time to grind the gil to buy one even if i wanted to... it's a shame really and is a big turn off from playing. I have been to my FC houses though and honestly I don't really get what "community" they're trying to foster in the wards, they mostly seem empty considering everyone hangs out in Limsa anyway, not their random ward. Instanced housing is honestly the way forward i think, one per player would be nice.

Also you know what they could have done in Island Sanctuary make a plot for a house and you need the resources to do so for plot by size. As plot size goes from small to medium to large. You have to build up start small plot and small house and then work to medium to large. On plot you can place housing outdoors items, in house you can play your indoor housing. Additionally: you can have a workshop like in fc houses, with a new system for island sanctuary currency to use workshop instead of fc credits

i mean that is just bad game design, make houses instanced, you choose who to go to and whose house to see at the door, easyits not like other mmos solved this years ago

@squallofthedai

Жыл бұрын

Yoshi-P has already said that he prefers the community feel of the current ward system, which is why it doesn't change. On one hand I can see why he feels that way, I've met some decent neighbors/friends that way, on the other hand, with so many people hanging out at aetherytes rather than housing wards, and given how American data centers are, very few hang out in the housing wards to where instanced housing would make more sense.

@binhhoangbapham7231

Жыл бұрын

We have instanced housing though, it's called department. The reason why housing is so in demand is because it's unique and it's always there, people don't need to find a way to look for a house, when they go to a ward, the house will be there to you. For instanced housing like department, no one will ever know your house (department) or visit it. Other MMOs solve the problem of housing by making it instance and FFXIV copied it with their department system. However, just like every other MMOs where housing won't be unique and not as popular feature as 14 because it's INSTANCEd. Sometimes when you lurk around some wards, you will be in awe with some of house design and decoration, you can't do that with Instanced housing because you need to know the address of that instance (just like department number). Sooner or later, the devs must listen to your demand and make housing instance, and then the housing system will not be the FFXIV special feature anymore and just become another MMOs clone which clearly shows that they are not popular.

@ravirr513

Жыл бұрын

@@squallofthedai That's an oxymoron, if there are far fewer houses than people who want them the vast majority of the community will never get to experience it by definition.

People also forget that SE balances the wards by JP numbers, in JP the amount of active players equates to almost 3 players per housing plot, might be down to 2 with the new wards I haven't checked. Meanwhile on NA there's something like 15 players per housing plot at peak numbers, but only some of those players even want a house and most are burned out or only want a specific plot. Prime plots get WAY more competition too, I think I remember that some of the really top tier plots in the newly added wards were going upwards of 20 bids a piece.

@cattysplat

Жыл бұрын

The number of Japan servers to their population is crazy. So many servers for so few people. No wonder they have no idea how bad it is elsewhere.

I was recently feeling bad for keeping my house, cos FC I run is so small and, frankly, mostly inactive. Compared to these people? Yeeeeah I don't feel bad anymore

I don't think it should be free, but it would make more sense to me for players to start with a house, apartment, or just a private instance where they can put stuff. I don't own a home in ffxiv but i have a few furnishings that i want to put somewhere. It seems really frustrating that there are people with multiple houses and I'm sitting here looking at the shortage of properties and not wanting to "work" to get a house in a video game.

@FeydenAR

Жыл бұрын

Unless you are talking about outdoor furnishing, you can buy an apartment and put your stuff there. Better than a demolishable house, in my view.

@k2k4

Жыл бұрын

@FeydenAR are apartments unlimited or are there only a handful available? Sorry I'm a newb to this.

@erincraig11

Жыл бұрын

@@k2k4 I don’t think they’re unlimited, but there is a WAY bigger supply of them than there are houses. Also, if you are in an FC that has a house, you can buy your own room in that house. I *think* it’s a little less than an apartment.

@FeydenAR

Жыл бұрын

@@k2k4 There are 500 apartament rooms per building, per ward and subdivision, so pleny for virtually everyone. They cost 500k gil and won't demolish even if you don't log in in 45+ days. And yeah, you can also get a room in an FC house, which has the same space as an apartament room.

Played for 4 years, got like 300m gil and I still can’t get a house. I wish island sanctuary included instance housing. My apartment just isn’t big enough. 😂

@AnyaShortcake

Жыл бұрын

Damn, got any advice cause I sufferr with like only 50k gil qwq

@InbetweenGamer

Жыл бұрын

@@AnyaShortcake level crafters. I stock up on the items needed to craft new glowing boss weapons and the last two patches I’ve made 100mil.

Submarines are an awful lot of work. Now it takes a lot of time to level them fully and unlock every area.

@cattysplat

Жыл бұрын

I could care less about housing. But having exclusive growing plots and loot only available from submarines is just insane gatekeeping by the developers themselves. It's basically a rich get richer situation, so inevitably you'll have people buying multiple houses to make even more gil through sheer exclusivity. Yet this only works because the FC and house owners own the supply. The developers obviously enjoy this system and use it themselves.

It probably is for RMT. Gil farming with materials obtained from submarines and whatever else. Or they're leveling company workshops to sell the FC/house to other players (again, for any return other than a crap-ton of gil, RMT most likely)

@SrBlacken

Жыл бұрын

Nah its too slow it takes about 3 months with decent rng to have bare minimum to be able to start sending subs to make gil and its not even the most efficient one either. Bots gathering/crafting and selling stuff is much much faster even compared to most efficient submarine set ups.

@MorpheusCh

Жыл бұрын

not worth it tbh, it takes 6 months to get gil farming subs running and it's very expensive since many mats are locked behind currency like seals (a lot of it, we're talking like over a 570k GC seals for a single modified sub) and a shit ton of mats locked behind timed nodes, it's easier to just pop a bot on a throwaway account to bot eureka bunny fates or relevant aethersand/timed nodes and rmt the gil you made it off for cash

@kultres5920

Жыл бұрын

Unless you have a bot farm and pc's to run it, investing in subs is really not that hard. Solo upgraded them on two occasions (changing fc's), and if I knew how much a FC with maxes subs is worth, would never have done it. And once they are maxed, it's no effort gil after that. Depending on server it can be up to 10mil a week by just pressing deploy.

@zaetia

Жыл бұрын

@@kultres5920 This is false. Data from the sub discord after thousands of trips is ~115k per sub per day. With 4 subs in a FC, nowhere close to 10m a week. Even Yoshi P/SE have said in a Live Letter, gil from subs is "barely acceptable". RMTers make a lot more gil doing fully automated things like Eureka bunny chests, treasure maps, crafting/gathering bots, etc

@kultres5920

Жыл бұрын

@@zaetia just by sending subs for the items you sell to npcs you earn few mil a week. Depending if your subs are lvl1 or upgraded you can cut the time in half, litteraly making it a mil a day. There are items worth up to 1mil on the market. So idk what you were reading and where. There is a reason why fc with maxes subs goes from 300mil small plot to 900mil large plot. Yes I agree RMT gil selling people use bots, I have not linked those two, RMT involving buying a plot with real money exists and its not the same as the one you mentioned. And yes compared to bots I can see why yoship would say that, even crafting gets me more, but it's either work hard or illegal actions.

The only consolation is that people like this usually reach the end of their days alone, unloved, and with no one taking note that they were ever there.

@sargehavoc

Жыл бұрын

That's quite the spiteful cope.

@FishSkeleton-

Жыл бұрын

@Desert Snake They always make it clear that they don't care about anyone but themselves, and that their feelings are paramount over anything like equality, so why *would* they wind up loved if they act as selfishly and apathetically towards others outside of the game as they do inside of it? Reminds me of the people who got in trouble with their local communities early on in the pandemic due to them buying out all the toilet paper and hand sanitizer, such as Matt Colvin.

@BlazeBuds

Жыл бұрын

Lol no people like you crying about a video game end up alone! You are the toxic people. I have had 100 million for 4 years and haven't gotten a house and guess what? I don't care lol its a game. Go outside and grow tf up. You people are toxic complaining about everything online

@sargehavoc

Жыл бұрын

@@FishSkeleton- And this argument is any different... how exactly? I deserve. I'm owed. Me me me. I want. I want. They don't.

@FishSkeleton-

Жыл бұрын

@@sargehavoc If you don't see any equality difference between someone who has no house and someone who has ten or more, then your parents failed to teach you the concept of sharing, especially since this is about limited availability and not something as simple as earning the gil to buy a house. There's not enough to go around and some people don't care at all about others having a shot, they just want for themselves. I have a house in the game, but these people are laughably, ludicrously selfish. I'd be happy getting two or three more houses too for fun, but I have my one and that's plenty for me because I want other people to have a shot at actually enjoying that side of the game too. It's not all about me, and it shouldn't be all about the slumlords, either. Sprouts shouldn't be treated as afterthoughts, especially if you care about the long-term health of XIV as a game.

"Don't put that camera in my face!" that is an amazing thing to say when you're being recorded in a game.

That person is a sociopath. I guarantee they feel hopeless and pointless about their actual life, and use their situation in FF to feel like the CEO of a multibillion dollar company. Their entire self worth is wrapped up in this, I'd bet real money on it. SE really needs to handle this, but I've been asking for that for years with no results.

@user-on5dl9hc2z

Жыл бұрын

Since he likes capitalism so much SE should start taxing him. He can learn what it takes to care for so many properties by paying property taxes millions a month or the houses get seized and sold and demolished at sheriff's sale.

@rieyuki

Жыл бұрын

@@user-on5dl9hc2z throw in quarterly HOA dues as well 😂

@siyrean

Жыл бұрын

@@user-on5dl9hc2z yes include housing taxes, but have it based on how much gil the character actually has so it won't screw people who were only just able to afford their house

Ok, to put into context how bad the housing situation is in FF14. There is a person or persons in Dynamis, who literally made SEVERAL fc's to buy up several houses in marilith in the mist. Literally the only way to fix it is to just rip up the current housing system by it's roots, and start from scratch with a new system that allows everyone to have proper housing ingame, but it's too far gone for even that now.

Reading through the comments I feel like people dont understand how housing is working. It is limited to one personal house per account per world and also one house per fc. However people are hoarding multiple houses by using a loophole of making multiple FCs for all their characters. And those FCs techinqually owning the houses and not the person.

I have over 900 million gil. Been playing since right before Shadowbringer. I just got a house on the 1/29 cycle. It’s a small. It’s in the Goblet. I’m so thrilled and in love with my little place. Even with just that and a ton of gil to spend, this is it unless I eventually replace it with a medium or large in a later auction cycle.

There is one slumlord company in Second Life, Anshe X, that has bought uncountable properties in the world and charges outrageous amounts to rent them. Anshe Chung has been called the Rockefeller of SL, which isn't as good a thing as made out to be. Her monopoly control is an exercise in futility b/c the high prices for land and rentals played a huge part in the world's fall.

I am blessed to have gotten my house, considering I got it during the worst possible time to be trying to get a house. (At least now you don't have to sit in front of a plaque clicking vs 50 other people for hours.) Now I have to just never unsub again. LMAO... (I had houses before, but had to give them up when I had to stop playing for IRL reasons. Very sad. And I say "them" not because I had more than one but because this happened more than once. T_T) I was a little more understanding of people who were holding onto extra houses they'd gotten back when their server was empty before the population boom, but getting multiple houses now is just a dick move - especially since a lot of people do it to resell them. But sadly that's always been a thing. The housing market always finds a way and yeah, they're always very smug about it. (Also, if you need help getting a house, just check out one of the discord servers. FFXIV Housing Alerts is incredibly helpful.)

I blame both the exploiters AND Square Enix.

i feel like houses should be limited to 1 plot per character. if you want to get a bigger house, there should be some way to transfer your home to a bigger plot if that isn't an option already. for fc owners, them owning the fc house and a private house should be the limit. i also like the idea someone suggested of houses being account server wide. i have 2 characters on lamia, for example, and the 2 of them being able to share a house would be great.

@icefox94

Жыл бұрын

@Yuno Kashiki oh, okay. I don't know much about housing, can never find an empty plot or win the lottery.

I don't think its the devs not caring, I simply think they are putting effort and resources into a much better system, like instance based housing which they have previously said wasn't possible, but might be a thing now. Like surely they must care as making new wards costs then resources and if the ward is owned by one person that is server tax not being used.

Not slum lords in the thumbnail 🤣🤣🤣 I'm living

This was a HILARIOUS video though. Zepla was on point today.

I can't get over the fact how SOUTHERN Zep sounds. She reverted so quickly to her American accent. It's astounding. E: As far as the topic at hand, I have an FC apartment, I have a private ward apartment, and I have a small house. That's 400 slots, that's more than enough for me. I'm not double dipping on any one form of housing available to an individual. I got my apartments way before I ever did my house (thanks ward expansions, you're the real MVP here), but I know what the rules are, and I stick with them. I wish everyone did the same.

@cattysplat

Жыл бұрын

The southern drawl elongating words came back so quick. There was even abrupt shortening of some wordage when she was in Ukraine which mimicked east European accents. Fascinating how we start mirroring local speaking language naturally.

I just wonder, if this was possible in the old days by using many trial accounts and emails? Now there seems to be limit (Limit housing to 1 personal & FC house per-World per-Account). But when reading forums there seems to be talking about grandfathering. Just asking.. I don't have house yet 🙂.. but this article/video was very interesting!

Real landlords are insufferable enough, but virtual ones have that special kind of brainrot.

Thing is, its not even just about hoarding too. More often than not a lot of these people go out of their way to create alt accounts and all that stuff to gobble up houses because they try to sell them for real money to other players. So its both people being dicks and often times getting into RMT.

I don't think there's anything wrong with owning a house via a solo FC. I'm biased sure, because I have one, but a personal house can't do the things an FC house can. I have absolutely no desire to be in an FC with other players, but I do want the FC benefits. Storage box, workshop, etc.

Took me almost a year to finally get a house, and it took a whole additional area for it to happen. There should absolutely be limits to the number of houses one person can own. But until SE goes out of their way to fix it, the people saying they aren't going anywhere, are right.

One of the main reasons I've stopped playing FFXIV is the terrible housing systems. I've tried on literally every lottery to try and get a house. Never happens. It's so dumb that my only option to get a house would be to make my own FC and get it that way but then I would have to leave my current one where all my friends are. There are so many wards that are full of houses owned by the same people. It's so stupid, I waited for years for Ishgardian housing and never got one. I'm not a raider, I like casually playing this game and hanging out with friends. And I know damn well I'm one of thousands whom have this same issue. Also, its definitely ties to RMT. Go to the gold buying sites for XIV and you'll see tons of accounts for sale that have a house and they all come from the same seller.

This entire situation is why i got my house back in late stormblood. still have it to this day.

and here I am as a rich wondering nomad going from inn to inn because there aren't any plots available

@shadowzach00

Жыл бұрын

@Truth Teller same here but I have a apartment in ishgard =/

I know a very notorious one on Gilgamesh server and the reasoning for doing this is so soulless its brutal. He justifies it with "Those people won't use the all the features of the house like airships and submarines. Its better in my hands being productive than someone else's." and the other justification is "I'm just showing Square Enix there is a problem with their system and how it can be exploited. I'm doing it for them." I shake my head...

The ward my FC is in had almost every house held by a single group and it was a bit creepy. Everything was set up the same exact way, the house the lawn the interior. It's slowly died out but there are a few left.

Knowing somebody who claims to own 16 or so homes, and claims to know of a couple of people who have over 100 spread across the servers, they have told me it is largely based on the passive income of subs, and wanting to have multiple styles of homes. I think I saw it in your chat that well fitted subs can bring in something like 70-100m per month if you get good luck, multiply that by the 16 that I'm aware my friend has, and then tell them that people make FCs, put bids in for the lottery, and immediately move to sell the FC for what... 300-400m for a small? They make that in less than a week from the FCs they already have generating income. I also still see them making more alts to put down more bids on the lotto, and this comes down to something else they've told me. SQUARE DOESN'T TIE THE OWNERSHIP OF THE FC HOUSE TO THE FC LEADER OR THEIR ACCOUNT, ITS TIED TO THE CHARACTER THAT BOUGHT THE HOUSE, AND IF THAT CHARACTER LEAVES THE FC YOUR ACCOUNT IS NO LONGER FLAGGED AS OWNING A HOUSE. This is the major problem, as you can literally have an FC with 4 of your own characters, put 4 bids in the lotto for a house, and if you win it, you just kick the character out that won, boom, no longer flagged as a homeowner, now go bid on more homes.

correct me if I'm not wrong, but aren't you limited to 3 homes per character? Player House FC Apartment in an FC House. Apartment I do know you can make 8 characters per world per account, which can each have their own (having the Player House tied to a service account would make sense tbh...), but surely you'd still need to be paying a bucketload of subs to hoard that many houses?

Was able to get a house last week. Enjoying myself decorating it 😍 Just need more gil hehe

I don't think they would even need that many service accounts, depending on how many they buy ofc. The FC members could all be characters on their own account, they just need someone or a second account to invite them all.

The post at 15:54 is incorrect as you do not need another account, or even someone else, to invite your characters to an FC once it has been created (gotten the signatures). There are some game features, one of which people probably didn't know exists, that facilitates this.

I don't even know how to get more than one house. Won't that cost real money at some point? I bought mine in Ishgard during the first housing rework. My girlfriend bought hers last week in Kugane after another reworking. There were two other people bidding on my house so we both entered 50/50 chance. And for hers she only had one other person bidding. Granted these are small private houses but a house is a house right?

I used to do this in The Lord of the Rings Online. But it was and is much less populated than FF14, even after I did it there was still many empty houses. I did it because I had too many furniture items to fit in one house and they provide good storage for my massive stores of mats.

@LordFinkenstein

Жыл бұрын

That's actually wasn't a problem in LOTRO though, since whenever that game ran out of "wards" it automatically made a new one.

@damiennewman1992

Жыл бұрын

@@LordFinkenstein Right so why are we blaming the players when SE could implement something similar and chooses not to. The reality is no one is doing anything wrong and SE has all the power to fix it but doesn't want to.

There is a website where you can pay real money for a house. They sell them for 800 usd for most medium plots.

I can hear the thrumming of machinery running in the background >< why neighbour whyYY!

"You can't expect people's good graces to not do it, that is naive." Yoshi.P and SE are extremely naive, they never thought of implementing a counter measure for this because they did not expect shitty people to go through these lengths to ruin other players enjoyment because their enjoyment is all that matters to them.

I wonder of yioshi-p will care enough to address it asap. In the end, it's almost of not more important than new content. They can't expect the game to continue living if it's dying on its core.

EAT THE RICH. OK but seriously these folks need some help. Go play Sims if they wanna control a whole neighborhood. EDIT: regarding unexploitable systems... it's impossible. There are no perfect systems and there are no silver bullets. It becomes an arms race. You build a system, the players find a hole, and then you have a new problem to try and solve, until systems become both draconian AND broken. :c

In my server, those people advertise those houses and sell them for gil. I have heard some of my friends bought those houses at a higher price than the normal lottery price, no decorations etc. just the house plot.

At this point square should just nuke the whole housing system and make it an instanced zone for each player just like sanctuary Island

One house per account and Alts are co-owners (like a tenant but don't take up a tenant slot) keep the one bid per account and it'd be fixed. For the multi house people cap them at 3 and force buy back the houses they have cause having to add more wards cause of these guys does abuse Squares resources as well as to how much Server space they' have to designate to housing.

there was a few months of me not playing, i got rid of my house personally cause the auto-demolished was off, and i wasn't playing the game for period of time. No regret of getting my house

Zepla, you've got me 🤣🤣🤣 right now with this video. THANK YOU for this because it was absolutely cathartic! It's like my inner voice on the subject came to life and watching you crack yourself up reading those responses?! Priceless!! And ytf do we all have private islands instead of a damn house??!! Put a house on the damn island!!! Then watch the ENTITLED'S comments ROLLLLL!!!!

Squenix the US housing market is already a living doomsday IRL, you really gotta bring that immersion into my video game too?

I think the issue is them making FC-only wards. Part of the reason the mix-use wards fill up so fast is people want their FC houses and personal houses all next to each other or in the same ward. So when I look through ward 25 today in some districts, 50-70% of this ward is empty. So they just need to stop that since it is only making it worse for personal housing. OR they need to make NO mix-use districts - they are all FC or all private housing. Most people likely wouldn't even care to get a house if it wasn't in the same neighborhood as other FC members so this would totally cure that problem.

@LordFinkenstein

Жыл бұрын

I think you found the answer.

@user-on5dl9hc2z

Жыл бұрын

Most wards I explore are empty. What a joke this system is. All this grief to buy a house in an empty town with no life.

@kats528

Жыл бұрын

FC-only wards were a problem when Empyreum released because there just weren't enough FCs on Worlds unless the world was super crowded. My FC got a house in an FC-only Empyreum ward, and it was three-quarters empty, probably even more, once we first got our house. It's filled up now, but only after a group built a bunch of shell companies. I've been told they're supposed to be decorating them to "make them look nice," but most of them still remain empty to this day. They bought up a bunch of the apartments in the ward as well. I hate that they did this, and I hate that my FC has to live around this, but my FC wanted an Empyreum house, so I don't see us moving anytime soon. The FC-only ward issue is not so much one of "I want my house near x or y," but one of how few FCs there properly are. That, and FCs don't want small houses. Heck, private owners don't want small houses. You're spending 6 times the amount of gil you spend on an apartment for such a small upgrade in terms of space. Overall the FC-only wards just encouraged the creation of shells. Though, mixed-use wards probably exacerbate the issue, since those who CAN get an FC house next to their private house probably will.

@FishSkeleton-

Жыл бұрын

@@user-on5dl9hc2z Sounds more like you're in a dead server, not just a dead ward. I'm on an overcrowded server and every single one of the new plots got bought there. The ward of Mists I'm in is packed and I see neighbors all the time, I'm even beginning to recognize familiar faces and feel that 'neighborhood' vibe that Yoshi P prizes so much.

@MichiCommander

Жыл бұрын

@@FishSkeleton- It's like that for the ward I got my house in, they all got snapped up with the first lotto cycle. My sever might even need more housing than what was just added, even more so with medium and large plots.

Your accent is sounding a lot more southern since getting back to the states... it adds to your cuteness level 😁😁

I can’t imagine how much time it takes to login to each character to do submarine missions every day. The tediousness alone would cause my brain to leak out of my ears. My God, these people must have absolutely nothing tangible or worth having in their real lives.

@cf651

Жыл бұрын

Takes maybe 10 minutes every 48 hours for my FC houses. Easy 70 Million Gil/month. Single account, single server.

New housing minigame idea: Molotov Cocktail party. Also, housing Zenos be like: "Would you be happier if I had a good reason?"

Shoutout to the person on Sophia, Materia slowly buying up the entirety of The Goblet. They're all in the same FC and share last names here and there.

I lost a 50/50 to someone else who bid like right before the lottery ended. How am I supposed to have "worked harder" at getting that plot lol.

Savage raiding: look up strats and practice. Savage Housing: warriors of light stopping the murderhobo lifestyle to ask other warriors of light how to get a house. Me: Couldn't we have a house on that private island? Gets yelled at by everyone.

IMO, house hoarding should be treated the same as RMT: extremely against TOS, and subject to the same investigations and ban waves as RMT.

Imagine the faces of those people who say "I have the money to do it and if I'm not allowed to do it then SE would stop me from doing it" if SE took all their houses. They would no doubt be all, "They shouldn't be allowed to do this", "I spent so much money", etc. Just a high score? Who are they trying to impress with such a high score? Do they just want notoriety like those people licking toilet seats during the beginning of COVID, just for the attention? But they also don't want people to know about it or as they put it, for people to "doxx" them? SE needs to bring housing to the moon. So we can all escape to the one place that hasn't been corrupted by capitalism... ...Space!

What it boils down to for me is there needs to be some sort of app on the website or something more in place to stop fc abusive leaders from gaining that power has well there is one right answer to fix it for sure

@willowkaiser4036

Жыл бұрын

There no easy fix because every Situation is different but from the 6 years u been playing I seen a bit of the good the bad and the just plain dumb of squre and it rules and junk

these are the people who collected multiple 2b outfit coffins when the nier alliance raid collab first came out

i dont want to instigate pitchforking intensifies moderately

I found an FC that runs multiple venues, and they have nearly an entire ward in Empy on lock down. On Dynamis...

Wait you can buy multiple house's?

I was a bit upset that I went through a lot of effort to find a house with zero bids to give myself a good chance, but at least I lost to a single person who also just wanted a home. I'd have been even more upset if this crap had happened to me. The housing system is just really painful overall, but this just makes it so much worse.

You should ask yoshi this question about housing at the next media tour