I love how Yoshi-P tells people still progging TOP to take proper care of themselves. Man really needs to take his own advice. Mostly because he needs to be around forever :)

@filipvadas7602

Жыл бұрын

The developement of ARR alone probably took 14 years off his lifespan. Man is just making the most of the time he has left.

@Liquefaction

Жыл бұрын

It is terrible press for someone to die while playing their video game and at that level of play the tendency for no-life is high. People die playing games all the time

@brianbierlein4747

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. He really needs to stop smoking. :(

@ari_woof

Жыл бұрын

@@brianbierlein4747 he smokes? :o

@brianbierlein4747

Жыл бұрын

@@ari_woof Like a chimney. :( Not on stream though obviously. But one of the reasons they have 2 parts to live letters is so he can smoke between them. also he mentioned it during some panels of Fan Fest before.

At this point Yoshi-P doesn't even open the pack of cigarettes, he just lights the whole box on fire and inhales (he's gonna turn into the smoke primal)

Damn, Zepla has fallen hard back into her southern accent 🤣

@jlGenozzV

Жыл бұрын

Especially that "Final Fantasy XIV"

@0Fyrebrand0

Жыл бұрын

I never used to hear it at all, but now I hear it all the time. Maybe moving back to America reactivated it somehow, lol.

@DioDiablo702

Жыл бұрын

The one that is supposedly fake

@yyZiggurat

Жыл бұрын

@@0Fyrebrand0 I've heard being back in one's home country or even talking to someone from their home country can lead to someone's accent becoming more noticeable

@Diskhate

Жыл бұрын

@@yyZiggurat That is 100% the case.. Being that i live in a country with dozens and dozens and dozens of dialects and accents (Italy) i can tell you for sure that...whenever people go back home to their families during christmas, everyone comes back sounding super funny and with their own hometown's accent lol

I was listening to Arthars saying that all the top statics are using 3rd party addons (not just the regular act)... If that is what is considered / needed of extreme high level raiding in FFxiv, I'd rather stay mid-core with my static and not using any addons in order to clear savage and older ultimates...

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

The thing is, it's not needed. Content doesn't get put out by the devs unless it can get cleared internally. Such scummy tactics are used by "top end" raiders not because they want to be the best - the fact they need to use addons plainly says they aren't - but that they want to be *first.*

@marioharrer9999

Жыл бұрын

No u don't need tht for any savage/ultimate. It's about world 1st race. Basically ppl r tryin to squeeze ever ounce of advantage they can get to be the 1st. Tht's what Arthars said. Same as in any other competitive activity out there. Thing is those other activities have more defined borders where u can move w/o punishment.

@Caursten

Жыл бұрын

Yoshi P said in his letter that they design the Ultimate Fights completable without using even one third party tool. So it can be done without it. The only reason people use them is for the internet epeen wagging by being able to say you were "The first" to do this thing.

@marioharrer9999

Жыл бұрын

@@Caursten Exactly those ppl usually have ego problems. It's what it's.

@Kidame17

Жыл бұрын

No you dont need it for ult/Savage clears, But Yeah you need it if you want to be world first sadly. But now maybe in the Future not more. Hopefully

"Yoshida allows the use of third party tools" Yeah, and there are articles telling you to drill a hole in your iphone to access a hidden earphone jack. People will believe what they want to believe.

@peppe4130

Жыл бұрын

Using hollow reasons as justification. They repeat this again and again. And their darkness grows.

@cyanmage1

Жыл бұрын

I love how an off handed comment made in like 2015 about not showing your act on stream is now he allows add-ons when all he was saying is stop self reporting

@dougfax

Жыл бұрын

@@cyanmage1 First was stop self reporting then he lost hope in humanity when that escalated to self reporting with cheats and lewds. Now this.

Every time a new ultimate comes out there always a series of cheaters trying to get world first, to say I am disappointed would be a understatement......

@TheToasterbox

Жыл бұрын

And they always got world first

@trndrd

Жыл бұрын

World first in FF14 is an unofficial race and addons aren't cheating. Get a grip.

@KazaarTV

Жыл бұрын

@@trndrd dimwit xD you know what cheating means? against the rules. what are the rules? no addons.

@trndrd

Жыл бұрын

@@KazaarTV what rules? The race is not official.

@NoXiiZz

Жыл бұрын

@@trndrd I see so many people with this stupid take, if the race is not official who cares, it’s not only about those world first people, if you play the game and you make an unofficial event it’s still within the game rules because you are playing the game. It’s like if an unofficial event from chess is created and people start using computer calculator, and you say well it’s not official so get a grip, well it’s a company it’s their game, if it’s not in the tos it’s cheating

I'm guessing we won't have another ultimate for around a year- year 1/2, so I hope Yoshi P really considers the sentiment that Square should be more involved with the race to world first, not just because of the fun and a celebration of the game in a sense, but to make sure we have legitimate clears with real, legal footage submitted to the devs themselves.

@elvangulley3210

Жыл бұрын

No he needs to stop wasting resources on this content only 3% of the player base plays in the first place and that 3% are the main ones that cheat and break tos with addons

@samuelbell2818

Жыл бұрын

@@elvangulley3210 L take

@elvangulley3210

Жыл бұрын

@@samuelbell2818 found the cheater

@janematthews9087

Жыл бұрын

This is content he likes to be involved in, even if it's less than 5% of players that actually plays it. Normally he would've just go "Come on guys, really?", As his last non-tweet about the DSR race indicates. With this latest cheat kerfluffle, he's also faced with players going "BUT EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT!!" which is something he can't deny anymore. It's stupid to imagine, but he was probably hoping that cheating at high-end raiding wasn't as widespread as they said. Finding out that it is probably just made him mad. He had hope and this latest drama just killed that hope and his trust was definitively destroyed. So let's see what they do in the future. But it won't be pretty.

@Xero-rr2ol

Жыл бұрын

@@elvangulley3210 L. Casual alert.

High lvl FFXIV raid ppl: Whine, nothing is difficult enough in this game. High lvl difficult content is released. High lvl FFXIV raid ppl: Whine, they won't let me cheat.

@lovire2299

Жыл бұрын

Not a toxic community btw.

@elenhin

Жыл бұрын

@@lovire2299 compared to others? not even a little bit.

@kyoeki5

Жыл бұрын

@@lovire2299 Raider's *usually* are very toxic players as they take games serious serious. Every games raiding community is toxic, but the majority of players within ffxiv aren't hardcore raiders.

@timmoody5466

Жыл бұрын

It's not Lovire. And the scenario you're trying to make that point from isn't even an example of toxicity.

@Vasshyy

Жыл бұрын

At least it's not just the casuals being toxic

They tell me we should have this kind of ultra-hardcore content, even if only 1% of the playerbase can beat it, because it gives us casuals something to look up to and aspire to. That it encourages us to get better. That the devs need to support niche hardcore content because it makes the game better overall, in a weird "trickle-down" kind of way. But then when the content comes out and they want to really put their money where their mouth is and prove what next-level Pro Gamerz™ can achieve, they do it by cheating. They make themselves look like clowns, they make the game look like a joke. We don't need FFXIV making these kinds of headlines, and we don't need players like this. Yoshi-P is right to get mad. Why pay attention to or celebrate "world first" events if it's full of this bullshit?

@NotTheWheel

Жыл бұрын

It's exactly that too isn't it. The reason this stuff exists is to be hard. So hard a majority of players will take one look and not even touch it... but the idea, the reward that comes from the challenge being that 1% that such a select few dared to challenge and won! It inspires people to try it. We have another section of this community who think that there isn't enough challenging content in the game and yet every single time we get a new savage or ultimate... People are cheating, so how do we even know who is accomplishing what and how legit? What if people asking for hard content almost like a brag are just hidden cheaters? Cheating in this game affects so many things - You're not only cheating yourself, you're cheating everyone who has ever attempted it or dreamt of trying. Cheating effects so much more in this context. We cannot tolerate this in our community.

@lynxcomplex3099

Жыл бұрын

@@NotTheWheel It drives me mad. I was one of those people since STB calling for harder content. More challenging things to do. And while these days I don't have the time to do races. I've never once cheated. To see all these people that want/can participate in such a massive event decide they want to cheat their way through. I feel Yoshi-Ps disappointment as a gamer to say the least.

@chiekokurokumo

Жыл бұрын

Even more annoying when said top percent raiders walk around and treat "lower" players like crap, while coasting on the coat-tails of a 3rd party mod.

@MissSmoozie

Жыл бұрын

I feel this echoes the "they need help to clear at all" sentiment, which just factually incorrect, the plugins are there to speed up the process, whether by automated callouts for consistency, auto markers to reduce fatigue to get more prog time, zoom hack to get more info per pull. Lance Armstrong didn't need any doping to finish Tour de France, just like UNKNOWN_ would've cleared without zoomhacks, they did it to ensure they could do it first. The disappointment comes from the illusion of them winning fairly being shattered, and the hype of the race has already subsided, on top of that the same group won the race for p8s, which makes the whole thing suck more as it implies they did the same thing there.

@ouromov2895

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, just like pvp scripting. It just robs the whole scene of any sense of accomplishment or me having any sort of respect for these people. No matter what these people claim about "ooooh it only helps just a little.. ooooooo" thats all bullshit.

I got ghosted from my last raid group because they tired to force an auto-caller on me via Discord and I asked them to stop. My current static leader is trying to do the same thing now too. I am about to explode.

@DemonLordSparda

Жыл бұрын

Looks like the community really needs to band together and push back against teams requiring add ons.

@ToMaSsS10

Жыл бұрын

You wouldnt need them if you actually learn the fight at the team's pace

@smudgedragon

Жыл бұрын

@@ToMaSsS10 what are you talking about? I'm the one teaching them the fight. Seriously.

@ToMaSsS10

Жыл бұрын

@@smudgedragon maybe ur just bad idk.

@dracomeister7684

Жыл бұрын

@@ToMaSsS10 reeeeeeeeeeeeeere

7:40 I have seen *so many* comments on the subreddit to that effect. They take Yoshida's comments about not wanting to track individual players' add-on usage as a tacit approval of 3rd party tools in general. Like a "we won't try to catch you doing it, so wink wink have fun!" kind of thing. They tend to be quite self-righteous about it too, as if using add-ons is the only way to enjoy the game.

@arionell

Жыл бұрын

The game severely lacky lacks QoL updates. Once you go in too deep and learn what the game could've been, there isn't really going back from it. A 30KB file with like an 100 lines of code changes ALOT of things in FFXIV. So yea, considering how vast the modding community is, addons makes a significant part of the fun for many people.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

Personally I only use mods that are cosmetic, yet I know that I’m probably considered just as bad as the cheaters in this prog group got TOP.

@GetterRay

Жыл бұрын

@@arionell The QoL addons are vastly overvalued. You don't need them.

@foomp

Жыл бұрын

I mean that is kind of what it implies, but people are too stupid to understand context and nuance. Anti-social idiots IRL maybe. That's the only way I can reason anyone's lack of understanding things like context and nuance. When you only live a life of text, you will never understand implications exist unless someone directly tells you it does and what it is... through text lol. He was saying that they're not going to actively look for you for doing things that aren't causing problems for them (SE) or players, but if you get caught for whatever reason, or start becoming a problem for SE or players, then that hands off stance will no longer apply to you. Sadly, aforementioned dipshits like those IRL anti-social idiots wouldn't understand that even if that were said to them. It should be mentioned that this is only a part of the cheater group. Most aren't anti-social idiots, they just don't care about ToS violations. FYI I'm one of them for many games, just not XIV. I barely play and even if I did play more, I don't do content that I feel needs it.

@democha1562

Жыл бұрын

@@BaithNa thats true, and I respect that. I belive that when it comes to content and competitive stuff like pvp raiding, leave the 3rd party stuff alone. People are gonna still track damage regardless (they always find a way how it seems lol), but don't use cheats to help you win the fight, it defeats the purpose. If people wanna fit a dress onto male viera or get more bun boy and hrothgar hats. Maybe a cleaner UI that fits their preferences. I couldn't really care, not every QOL feature can be implement by a company and sometimes these 3rd party tools help alleviate that void & inability until that company is able to do so. But there is a stark contrast between using it for QOL and using it for cheating. One I wish was more acknowleged. Its a disappointment that idiots like the ones in the race help paint only a black and white on the entire 3rd party tools community. Honestly, I fricking auto-correct would be nice , especially for someone like me lol.

I used to be a hard core raider on wow, doing mythic raiding because I wanted to lose myself to the game for a few months back during Legion. I played a Feral Druid, and was ranked 6th on my server. It turns out the top 5 were RMT buying and trading for gear, using programs that ran macro scrips, and helped showed them where to move and how to move. I was running barebones (A rp addon called TRP). I was called trash by every raid team except the one I ran with.

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the things I've always hated about WoW. The last time I did raiding there seriously was during Wrath, when stuff like DBM was just starting up (and Weak Auras didn't exist yet, or I hadn't heard about it). I eschewed add-ons like that, and thought they were stupid. If you need an add-on to tell you how to play the game or to do certain kinds of content, that's either bad game design, or you shouldn't be doing that content. Sort of a "If you aren't good enough, then work at getting better". But WoW leaned hard on the easier route: "If you aren't good enough, just get enough add-ons to play the game for you."

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

Kinda of a meta take, but it's interesting how this applies to a lot of professional competitions. You always hear about people at the top of certain industries doing whatever they can to stay on top, this isn't specifically a game issue. Athletes taking steroids, gamers using cheats, people bribing, ghosting (like people playing for other people), etc. etc. People really love the win without the gratification of doing it honorably 🤷🏾‍♀️

@PrivateTouch

Жыл бұрын

you sound like a world500 mentality guy

@Aphorism89

Жыл бұрын

@@Maria_Erias hm no. Mods and enhancement exist everywhere. You have old private planes from the 60s which have been greatly revamped with modern Garmin systems and gauges.... Nothing wrong with it. This is the same. Problem is the user not knowing how to use it or adapt, so don't blame the product :)

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

@@Aphorism89 Planes =/= games. Do you know what a bad faith argument is? Because your comment makes about as much sense as saying, "Hey, knives have been around for tens of thousands of years. So if you're ever in a footrace with someone, you might as well stab 'em!"

A part of me feelings like a lot of this boldness has shot up massively from people who has come from an environment in which add-ons thrive.

@zirilan3398

Жыл бұрын

Just say it, it came with WoW-exodus, we all know it

@arionell

Жыл бұрын

@@zirilan3398 No it didnt. Dalamud have always existed. The amount of addons and mods WoW has is nothing compared to FFXIV's ''secret society''.

@crimsoneyr1234

Жыл бұрын

WOW isn't the only one to really be put out in the open when it comes to add-ons they are all over. However I can't fully say its the fault of people who are used to using add-ons. Frankly I think the bigger blame is people spreading the notion that "add-ons shouldn't be used but if your gonna use them at least use them privately". Giving people the idea that if accessible add-ons are ok to use and they can't see what add-ons are privately used what other add-ons could be used in the same way. As well as the people saying its ok to use add-ons everyone is using them anyway. The community are just much to blame as the people that use them.

@eureka5635

Жыл бұрын

@@crimsoneyr1234 theres a difference between having mods that give your characters a better ass versus using the huble telescope in TOP.

@crimsoneyr1234

Жыл бұрын

@@eureka5635 I agree but encouraging people to use add-on will always attract people bold enough to use add on like these to gain an advantage and all it takes is for someone to keep pushing to see how far they can go

I just want to say, if people don’t want to lose their cosmetic mods, then they should be getting mad at the actual cheaters rather than Yoshi P for reiterating the no third party tools stance. Cosmetic mods aren’t going to be what would force Yoshi P’s hand at banning them, cheaters are.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

Believe me, I am seething at these cheaters for what they’ve done. Yoshida is in his full right for what he’s doing and I would be fine sacrificing my Roegadyn not looking like a doll if it meant we could get rid of the people cheating.

@CidVeldoril

Жыл бұрын

Nobody is getting mad at Yoshi P. No matter what he might personally think of stuff like bardplayers or cosmetic mods, he'll always tell us to follow TOS because he has to. At the same time he does NOT want to enforce this.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

@@CidVeldoril I’m sure he wants to ensure something is done about the cheaters, which we’ve seen is the case. It’s just sad that a number of people want a witch hunt if everyone that uses any kind of mod…

@CidVeldoril

Жыл бұрын

@@raisylvaine8398 If they came for ALL mod users, then the communities for: Bards, Housing, Clubbing, Gposing, Hunting and Maps would collapse. Pretty much the entire social aspect of the game would die. And many would leave. Because of japanese law I can't see SE trying to scan PCs, so most players who do "stuff" should be fine. However, I could see SE paying much closer attention to streamers to catch them in the act if they cheat in stuff like Ultimates.

@democha1562

Жыл бұрын

Sad part is, a huge part of the modding community is actually against, or blacklist mods that do this type of shit. Espesially the qol oriented modding communities and cosmetics. They are and do get mad, but regardless you still have shit heads who go into it with a 'idc' attitude about displaying their mods, more so the ones involving raiding.

So, fun story about people saying Yoship "allows mods". A MENTOR in novice network was telling sprouts that "Yoship says mods are fine as long as you don't talk about them", after I told a sprout not to talk about the fact he was using mods. I literally had to dig up the lodestone articles where Yoship had said "NO MODS. EVER" before they would shut up about mods being "allowed". So yeah, people really do say "Yoship says mods are OK", and will double down hard when challenged about it.

Honestly, congrats to Aether Group 3 for the legitimate clear. Homie pulling up his task manager mid-cutscene to prove they're not cheating is simultaneously such a flex and really sad view of the state of WF

They actually did simillar thing way back in ARR when coils were current raid. I think during second tier team was caught cheating and got banned/removed achievements and rewards.

@mercyveritas1125

Жыл бұрын

Ppl were using fly hacks to kill the phoenix back when skybox detection wasn't a thing and the boss would just afk since it couldn't reach the players in the sky

Talking about community perception about 3rd party tools reminds me of how corruption spreads into real-world societies. It's only when corruption is widely viewed as socially acceptable that the average person engages in it, which in turn reinforces the idea that it's socially acceptable. After all, if everyone else is doing it, why not you? 3rd party tools in raids are little different - people are knowingly cheating, but the "everyone does it" attitude makes it easy for lots of people to just look the other way and rationalize their decision to cheat.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

It makes others that don’t use plug ins for raiding look bad as well because then we can be accused with no evidence. “You use a mod for gear refits, why not a raid tell?”

@radaro.9682

Жыл бұрын

Wanna define "corruption" cause that sounds more like social change than anything?

@teeswaga

Жыл бұрын

@@radaro.9682 It's social corruption specifically.

I'm not into hardcore raiding just yet, but I definitely don't like seeing cheaters in online games, especially when games that I love and play on a regulars basis are involved...

I have a feeling that The Omega Protocol IS the second chance. Why are people surprised that they would take harsher enforcement measures, their (the GM's/dev team's) stance hasn't changed. Personally, I love the last line in the letter, where Yoshi-P says the he at the very least wouldn't acknowledge them as the world's first. A gamer's "rationalizations," and PC elitism are the biggest detriment to this at present. My personal viewpoint has always been something to the effect of "anything not directly available on the console version" is not allowed.

im on ps5 so never put too much thought into add ons. looked up my character in the act site and found a dozen fights my dps was tracked on. 😮 it was cool to see but glad its not needed to do anything in game

@Auhsa

Жыл бұрын

I remember looking up my character and it had really wonky information. One stellar example was RDM in content that was higher level than the job was at. Both my character and name are old af so it can't be case of mistaken identity. Since I couldn't count on it getting such a basic thing right I felt exploring further was a waste of time. Which is a shame because I'm interested in the self improvement possibilities of such information.

As someone who enjoys playing some games with cheats and mods... Some mods go beyond quality of life, and actually significantly tune the challenge rating of the content. In the spirit of fair play it would be nice if people could stop using em to ruin stuff that other players find fun, like the race to world first for example. There is a competitive aspect of some of the harder content in this game, and I think people need to accept and respect that. Just because the race is "unofficial" doesn't mean that you should guzzle down steroids to win.

I'm a 60 year old FFXIV player. I KNOW I'm not capable of doing Ultimate level content, so...I just don't. And it's fine 🙂. If you have to cheat to get it done, you didn't deserve those rewards in the first place.

I'll admit, I use texture mods to upgrade some things, a UI reskin and a GShade that adds ray tracing to the game. But I don't use anythign that touches gameplay or adds timers. I like that all that stuff isn't needed here.

@ToMaSsS10

Жыл бұрын

You'd get banned in square's eyes

@CidVeldoril

Жыл бұрын

@@ToMaSsS10 Unlikely because Japan's privacy laws would heavily frown upon scanning pcs. However if someone was dumb enough to stream their modded gameplay..well.

@THexas

Жыл бұрын

Don't care, you're still cheating. Go get banned bro

@katnerd6712

Жыл бұрын

@@ToMaSsS10 By the rules in place, yes. I don't have a problem with that policy, however. I understand why they have a "all or nothing" attitude. If theysay my Material UI is fine, then it would snowball to other elements, eventually. I raided in WoW back in classic. I remember, leading up to the first expansion, Decursive broke. I was the only mage in our guild who could decurse without the mod. Seriously. It was ridiculous. I'd rather not be in that situation here.

I love this you don't want to start an addon arms race like WOW. It actively makes your game more inaccessible.

This likely mostly on applies to high end content with rewards that aren't easily obtainable for now but it's interesting to consider that as a PS5 player I could conceivably lose my rewards for something by playing with someone else who's cheating if I benefit from it. Honestly, it's not like people are seriously pugging brand new Ultimate fights so this is still probably the best way to go but I'll be interested to see if this somehow trends downwards into more casual content or if it does strictly remain something that really only affects a small minority of the playerbase (the last numbers that I saw put Ultimate clears on the raiding Data Centers at around 10% of their playerbase with Crystal being the only NA Data Center at the time bringing down the average). Even if a small amount of players actually manage to clear Ultimate fights it doesn't change the fact that they are visible to a large amount of the player base which is why FFXIV viewership spikes when these fights release so it would be a shame to see the devs lose interest in creating the content as a whole because some people can't help but cheat in a video game for rewards that don't even have a monetary value.

@khinzaw77

Жыл бұрын

It won't. This happened because it was a very prominent thing with clear proof that it happened and a group that reasonably knew it was happening. It was literally impossible to ignore. I think it's highly unlikely to just start mass mercing people.

@MissSmoozie

Жыл бұрын

People are seriously pugging ultimates on release nowadays though, happened with Dragonsong, happening again with TOP. EU has a rather decent ultimate PF scene, Light is on phase 3 monitors already.

those cheaters literally spat on YoshiP and his team's hardwork.

@THexas

Жыл бұрын

Do you think the SE raid development team also use satellites camera to create this fight?

@OTOBIOhazord

Жыл бұрын

@@THexas what a weird thing to say...

Been playing for about 8 months now and just recently started doing savages and unreal so I didn’t even think these mods existed 😮 Dumb question but what are auto markers?

I agree with Yoshi P the true world first will be done by a party that doesn't use any tools, regardless of who actually gets the first clear. maybe we will never never know who that is, maybe we will. but regardless cheating of any kind shouldn't be tolerated in this community, clout means nothing.

@ouromov2895

Жыл бұрын

I stopped caring about anyform of pvp clout either the moment I realized how rampant scripting is in crystalline conflict.

it's the worlds worst kept secret that, despite the corporate-speak bluster, 3rd party assists are much more common than anyone wants to admit. "It's OK as long as you don't get caught" is very different from "It's not OK". Particularly in the Sav-ult circuit (these weren't made for MSQ Roulette). Now the world really does know. And it's a world first group of tryhards in a one-time only competition. No streaming & every tool they could deploy was probably in play. Someone spoke about Fight Club, and here we are. This pretty much killed my interest in doing savage/ult content, and I've been with this game since open BETA.

@BoredDan7

Жыл бұрын

"This pretty much killed my interest in doing savage/ult content, and I've been with this game since open BETA." Why though? Like honestly why? Just do the content if you enjoy it, or don't if you don't. Why should world first racers use of tools change anything on that front for you?

Embrace southern Zepla. I had no idea she was southern, but I'm here for it.

Ty for posting, I could’ve just found and read all this info elsewhere on my own, but it’s more fun to have you filter it instead lol I’d been hearing about this in my fc, but I loosely follow certain aspects of XIV especially since I’m not far in the story, only just on the cusp of storm blood.

Yoshi P has given multiply example of being against hacks and addons. Aren't we past second chances now?

@Invie4196

Жыл бұрын

He really really dosent want to police this.

@chaosiori

Жыл бұрын

@@Invie4196 I understand that but certain players are forcing his hand.

@CidVeldoril

Жыл бұрын

@@Invie4196 He'd have to scan people's pcs with stuff like Anti-cheat if he wanted to police it. Which obviously would kill the entire modding scene in one fell swoop, likely driving a big bunch of roleplayers and gposers, as well as all bard bands out of the game. This would destroy the community style FF has ingame which has been a big part of why the game is successful.

@UmbraWeiss

Жыл бұрын

Don't you see, Ultimate comes, shit gets banned, content that not even 1% playing destroys the fun for the other 99%, because if they implemented an anticheat in the game, there will be a very big chunk of players quiting the game on pc, mostly Rp players, and probably gshade will go down with it to, that is the one thing that makes the game look somewhat acceptable in 2023...

@UmbraWeiss

Жыл бұрын

@@CidVeldoril I don't think they have the balls to do anything about it, a very big chunk of the community using mods and with this one move a big chunk of Pc players would quit the game without thinking about it probably, without mods probably a very big chunk of housing players will be gone to, the hunting community will collapse, gshade would be gone that alone would drive a lot of people out of the game, concerts will be gone, the club's in the housing district will be gone to mostly, without the Pc players hunting trains is almost impossible to do in a way that makes sense to waste your time on it. So if they don't implement things that replace these things in a way that works, yeah , at this point banning mods will be a suicide for Ff14.

Y'all wanted hard content. Y'all got hard content. Then some y'all went and tried to cheat. That's why we can't have nice things. Cheating is like slapping Yoshi P in the face.

@marcuscorvin9998

Жыл бұрын

Then he slaps back even harder with all his rings.

@yoshiiscool2002

Жыл бұрын

I commented this in a another comment. Its so mind boggling how raid community complains how the content is super easy and when hard content does arrive, they go ahead and download an add on to make it easier. DO YOU GUYS WANT HARD CONTENT OR NOT!?

@epiccthulu

Жыл бұрын

i’m so confused. all it was was a zoom out. if the camera is part of the fight’s difficulty, then it comes off as not a good fight

@sneakytrip6594

Жыл бұрын

@@epiccthulu- To an extent, I agree. The zoom alone is whatever; you still need to know how to react to mechanics. The problem is, that (while false) we're under the pretense that nobody has an advantage over anyone else through the use of mods of any kind. In short, EVERYONE should have access to the same mods (officially supported, of course), or nobody should. I think that if you use mods, you should get used to the fact that you can't claim world first. Maybe use the mods, learn the fight, THEN clear the fight legitimately using the knowledge you've gained while using mods.

@evarchavex4800

Жыл бұрын

@@epiccthulu Your field of view in ANY fight plays a big role in every single game with real time combat. If you think that's what qualifies it as a good fight or not is idiotic, and you might as well go on Dota or LoL forums and ask why you can't zoom out. Because it'd be just as stupid there as it is here.

i think most Raiders in general are already going against TOS. after all how do good groups find good replacements? either from log info or letting them try out and checking the logs on the tryout. and how do you think logs are made of attempts?

I wonder if they can make instanced content detect addons

I've never seen SE penalize the rest of the team. I guess Unnamed did get a world first!

IMO, most add-ons are fine, but if you're using them to beat a boss, you didn't beat that boss; you beat an easier version of it.

I think the "Yoshida allows the use of third party tools so it's ok to use them." is in reference to the community continuously saying, "no you have to read between the lines he's saying they can't detect them so just don't talk about them and it's ok to use" When the reality is, it's not ok to use they aren't allowed period, you just aren't going to get caught probably. It's like speeding. Yeah, you probably won't get caught but you're still breaking the law.

@thomash341

Жыл бұрын

Especially since the man has gone on record multiple times to state that third party tools aren’t allowed. One of these days another cheating scandal is going to pop up and Yoshi-P will just start copying and pasting his older statements.

@naruhearts1

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they should add speech bubbles and not make the coloring of the game so terrible if they don't want people to use them.

It makes total perfect sense that all party members lost their title and the weapons too even if they were not directly caught cheating. Because even if they didn't do the cheating themselves, they still benefit from it. Because they weren't directly caught, they didn't receive any punishment like an account suspension or anything. But you have to think about it like this: If someone in the group has cheated, the whole run didn't actually happen. If it didn't happen, no one in the group got the title or the weapons from it. If they don't treat it like that they indirectly allow the cheating. Or else people could just agree on one party risking their account by cheating for others to benefit of it.

@Namingway248

Жыл бұрын

at the same time though I don't see how its fair to make it an individual player's responsibility going forward to actively police and get evidence from everyone they raid with just to be certain they will get what they've worked for. I feel like that could just end up inspiring witch hunts and drama that should absolutely not be player side but rather between suspicious individuals and ff14 staff

@harrylane4

Жыл бұрын

@@Namingway248 ??? It should be the whole party’s job to communicate. Ensuring your teammates are all on the same page is just basic communication.

@Namingway248

Жыл бұрын

@@harrylane4 do you not think people lie? I've been in so many parties where people are dishonest about their raiding history and ability to do the fight, even though its easy to tell if someone has lied about that once you actually see them in action. I can't help but imagine plenty of people will say they aren't using third party tools when they actually are, and I'm not going to go around asking for screenshots or proof ahead of time, especially if I don't plan on continuing to party with those people in the future. Its legitimately not my responsibility to verify someone else's integrity and it absolutely never should be.

yea honestly at this point i hope yoshi takes resources from the ultimate fights and just make the game better for everyone else.

I feel like we are tipping closer and closer to heavy anti cheats. I don’t want it, but I don’t feel like the cheating is gonna stop. I feel like this is gonna get to a point where we either we lose ultimates or get heavy anti cheats.

@SolPhantasmagoria

Жыл бұрын

_Anticheats are complained about initally, but then people get over it. Take every single competitive game out there that has applied them._

@celestialstreams3629

Жыл бұрын

@@SolPhantasmagoria Except ffxiv looks like dogshit without mods so unless their 7.0 update is seriously effective for graphics and accessibility, they'll lose people for killing third party addons.

@miikaeatsbagels7320

Жыл бұрын

@@celestialstreams3629 They’ll lose well over 40% of their player base. Can you imagine in one single night, losing nearly half of your games revenue and player base ? The game would spiral into a decline and join the other dead MMOs.

@tcan225

Жыл бұрын

Better to put the energy and effort into why people feel the need to mod, and then solve those issues. Game does look bad without mods for sure. They’re fully focused on ff16 at this point, so sweeping changes are always on the back burner.

@SolPhantasmagoria

Жыл бұрын

@@miikaeatsbagels7320 _9/10 statistics are completely made up._

what hairstyle is the parasol bun rocking?

Well, I just hope from now on static/PF won't turn into an amongus game every time when you do hardcore content, though, it can also be pretty fun though.

@randomwalk1551

Жыл бұрын

i dont think it would, because at that point you would ba a wholly unknowing participant in whoever else would be cheating.

@Verpal

Жыл бұрын

@@randomwalk1551 I hope you are right, enforcement on UNNAMED_ still left some room for interpretation, we will have to see how future enforcement will be done.

@randomwalk1551

Жыл бұрын

@@Verpal you're right in that. but like. as a console player, i don't have access to any mod, so if i join a pf who am i to even assume or tell who has an addon?

@qwertyuiop3656

Жыл бұрын

Lol this punishment is for the race for world 1st. I'm not saying you should ever think about cheating. I'm saying you won't be punished for another players cheating in PF unless it's clear you know about it and continue to prog. Even then it's very unlikely you will be found and punished

Huh...I say good, make an example of those cheaters and furthermore the fact they are removing those who were in the same party but did not use the tools sends an even stronger message, there's a reason why in the military they have group punishments, they work it may not happen tomorrow but eventually those people will not run with those cheaters anymore and they will get their genuine clear and maybe those cheaters will even lose friends because of it. All that said, now that this information is public they NEED to stay on the offensive and really drive home that this behavior will NEVER be tolerated regardless of circumstances, like I said it wont be tomorrow but maybe one day we will see the fruits of what was put in motion today.

i think my fear is that visual mods might get caught in the crossfire of all of this. i dont think we should just attack people who just want improved character customization. I dont want anti cheat to invade this game. i personally play on ps5 and pc and sometimes i just want to take better gposes. i know so many people that log on just to take gposes with visual mods and i jist dont see them as criminals but i can understand when it comes to gameplay changes or ui advantages that console users will never have as someone who plays on ps5 now and then. my aspect with it was well it doesn't effect me so i dont care. but i dont want to get punished for stuff others do

@Hlieyto

Жыл бұрын

They use the same vulnerability in the game as cheats. So if they do something about it, yeah, everything's going to get dunked on

@smittenmittens1364

Жыл бұрын

I was really disappointed with the Ps5 version of the game. Went back to PC even though my pc is about slightly more powerful than a Ps4.

Never blame someone else for the road you are on. That is your own asphalt.

“Everybody’s doing it,” said literally every pusher, ever.

@qwertyuiop3656

Жыл бұрын

True

Yoshi is like the cool boss that certain employees keep taking advantage of. It’s gonna come to a point to where he has to stop being that cool boss and throw down the hammer not of only those that keep messing around, but everyone else as well.

it never fails to impress me how much Yoshida isn't just a dev but expresses himself as a gamer and with us as a non dev. However i'm not remotely suprised that world first probly contained cheats/third party it was cleared in less then 6 hours not a chance....

My general policy is that as long as it does not impact competitive group gameplay, it's ok. If it would impact a contest, I expect people to turn it off it they had it. An example would be gatherbuddy or allagan tools. They are great QoL mods for crafting/gathering, but if there is some kind of crafting competition happening, you better not use them.

Perhaps this could be considered coping but I feel that while Yoshi P and a lot of higher-ups explicitly disapprove of mods in general, the reality of the situation leaves them unable to police the playerbase over it without severe consequences, be it technical or simply due to expected community backlash. So, they're left to discourage it from afar and to a degree learn to accept that some people will mess with the game. That would have been an acceptable compromise but to have it then shoved in your face in the worst possible way after working hard on high-end content wouldn't exactly help. I'm personally on the side of light modding, cosmetics and accessibility stuff (Timers & Notepads etc.) that helps with my ADHD and would prefer to keep them but I can certainly understand the frustration of Yoshi P here. Hopefully we can find a solution.

Yoshi-P: "Turn in your gun, your title, and your achievement... And get outta my sight"

There's definitely a pretty big difference between "Oh I get to see a warning if I forget to use my food buff before the fight, or don't have my dance partner on" and "I'm revealing things I shouldn't be able to see and effectively cheating" I don't think anybody would've cared about plugins in the race if they were just simple convenience.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

I use XIV Combo because controller is hard to play some jobs on, I still need to do mechanics just the same as other, it’s just that combos are condensed down to fewer buttons, you know?

@katrinascarlet5637

Жыл бұрын

I only ever downloaded the one that shows party dps. I was starting dnc and wanted to be sure I wasn't lagging behind.

@Raven3557

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that you can't do case by case, so they decided that all 3rd party tool isnt allowed

@Raven3557

Жыл бұрын

@@raisylvaine8398 I play with controller and making a good hotbar for the combos is part of the fun. There's no need for xiv combo to be fair

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

@@Raven3557 to each their own, with how scatter brained I am I need to keep all the stuff I’m using the most often right in front of me.

I love how this community is all like "Square Enix should just tell us which Mods/Plugins are are allowed and which not" and "Nobody ever got punished for X so it must be fine" But Yoshi P made his stance very clear a while ago. Any and all Mods are not okay, the only thing is that he hasn't enforced this rule yet except for some influencers. Imagine for a second that Square Enix pushes out a temper detection update that looks if the game has been messed with in any way and hands out temporary punishments to anyone who is found with that stuff just installed. The Community would quite litterally implode. Everyone who is using Mods/Plugins/Cheats should be aware off that it's agains the rules and Square Enix can start enforcing those rules at any point that they see fit. this WF cheating scandal might just have lit a powder keg that is long overdue. Do not assume you have a moral high ground because "I only use cosmetic/utility/ui changing mods", SE could come after you all the same and they have all the right to do it. It's their game and you just have a license to play it using the one game client that square enix approves without any alterations. The community twists this into a narrative that is about "what's morally okay" and that just isn't true. In the current policy of SE you're equally a cheater than the people who use splatoon. The only thing we as a community CAN do is ask Square Enix to either: 1. Start enforcing their rules. And not just selectively when we as a community cry out they should punish a specific cheater/group of cheaters. 2. Start allowing certain Plugins/Mods explicitly and then start enforcing their rules. 3. Do nothing and keep the status quo. Obviously not everyone is happy with either of the 3 choices, so here is my prediction for the next 2 years: Square Enix will start to selectively keep punishing influencers who use Plugins/Mods only to make it look like they do something, then when the next ultimate comes out they will hold a official world first race where they silently roll out a temper detection update alongside the ultimate. They will then wait like 1-2 days let the cheaters have their fun and then let out a banwave for everyone who uses certain kinds of cheats. Could be worse, could be better. like I said this could be a lit powder keg now and YoshiP could be actually angry and do something more extreme. Who knows, only time will tell.

The fact that they (SE) fixed some of the 10 year old broken shit is solely thanks to plugins. You can't blame old legacy code + laziness anymore when people workaround and fix the shit via external means. Yes, some plugins are fine (and some are flat out godsent), some are not. Same goes for ACT (you do use it, don't you ?) plugins and to what extent one uses them, same goes teamcraft along with its inventory management and so on.

I'm pretty sure the reason they are cracking down on this so hard is because it happened in the JP server by a JP team the JP server treats TOS as basicly the words of god where even a specific marker in the tree boss that made the fight make much more sence was frounded upon but now they are also part of the "cool kids" club and are no longer pure, I heard that some if not all the players of UNNAMED said they would delete their characters and the DRK of the group has said he's just quitting the game all together

@JoSan3

Жыл бұрын

Can't bear to live with the shame now that it has come to light eh?

@ohnoitsthenoooo

Жыл бұрын

Good riddance I guess lol

@pedromoreira6218

Жыл бұрын

@@JoSan3 I wouldn't be surprised if for some to actually quit over it that would be the case

This is literally why streamer world first is almost impossible. ALL WF teams not streaming are using addons. And actually a lot of them in streaming teams also use them. Not all 8 people stream. At the end of the day, about +95% of people doing savage and Ultimates on PC are using some kind of addons. Only more casual professional streamers play the game fully vanilla, simply to not get banned. That's why a popular streamer will never win world first ever, even though still the 7 other people could be using addons. Xeno is 100% correct, the true TOP World First winners is UNNAMED_. They did nothing special that other WF groups from the past didn't use.

I'm an sprout, what is the advantage of the zoom hack?

@passel5953

Жыл бұрын

It lets you get a clearer view of everything, makes it easier to see mechanics and stuff.

Dear @ZepLIVE, where are these bunny ears from? I need them in my life 😭

If they really want to acknowledge a world first run in the future the FF14 team will have to host it themselves, and I think it would be a great way of culturally keeping things in check; give the funds and vetting to people willing to perform live and prove that anyone can still beat these things at the highest level of comp with just vanilla resources. Because the entire point of them having a don't ask, don't tell or god forbid flaunt policy on third party tools is because they want to be the ones steering the ship. Yes, most people don't modify the game for malicious or game destabilizing reasons... but the minority of people who don't care are going to use the majority as a smokescreen to do whatever they want. They aren't accountable to the players paying subs or the board of directors holding stocks in the company. And if certain people decide one day to push the line where it's mainstream that the game is developing into this big open-source thing, taken way more seriously it drives off the growth of the game from many people who game casually or might never have even played an MMO. And I think it really sucks because the moding community has done many amazing things ahead of the curve, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that several of the QoL or just cool aesthetic features that do eventually come officially to the game are because a dev found a fan who made it off the grid.

@DarkDyllon

Жыл бұрын

more that the GMs had to ban someone and the FF14 dev team was like "thank you for the plugin, now get banned!" happened on multiple occasions now. first time was during TEA, where people were using ACT to automatically replace the markers on the ground, instead of adding something simular they just removed the ability to place markers mid fight, meanwhile giving us 5 slots to save markers (now up to 30 i believe, but took them atleast 3 years) then with DSR they banned people using third party tools (mainly things like party buff timers, or bigger cooldown numbers for example, hell even damage type plugins. guess what's in the game now? literally all 3 of those, it has become a meme where people need to sacrifice themselves for Yoshi to finally recognize the need for these QoL things.

@hennyzhi2261

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkDyllon I know that type of response is frustrating, but this has nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with being a business. Imagine your one of the leads on this games team - even if your smart to some extent your just one person vs the millions of fans who aren't treating this like a job and a decent portion of them put in the passion to make mods. You have to get certain things done on time with extra miles worth of crunch, living in your desk, and taking however much feedback you can into account. And despite the relationship between the creators and the consumers being more or less stable most of the time you still have large swaths of people who think they can do better at steering the game where each individual thinks it should go... when the reality is only one person can be at the helm. If everyone is pulling on the wheel, the ship will crash into something eventually and die. And the devs rightfully steer it because they have the most to loose since it's their career and financial well-being at stake, especially if your the boss-man and your employees all rely on your judgement to keep them hired (and they have to appease to a certain degree a CEO who thinks NFTs aren't a scam). And I still think it's great to see people create their own stuff within the engine via 3rd party tools, but it shouldn't interfere with the capacity for this game to exist in the first place by undermining the devs we know could be doing better (rather than it turn into some giant web of downloads people expect each other to have to even interact with baseline content).

♫ We're raiders on the moon, we carry our Harpoons. ♫ ♫ And we see Boss Tells, so World's First don't fail. ♫ ♫ Hope Yoshi-P doesn't ban us soon. ♫

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

"You won't let me use add-ons? Fine! I'll go make my own game! With blackjack! And hookers! Actually, forget the blackjack!"

I've only ever messed around with cosmetic mods for a bit. It was just a bit of fun that nobody else could even SEE on their end. I've since stopped since it started causing some graphical issues for me, but I still know of people who use them. They're harmless. But that's a far cry from using something solely to give yourself a "hidden edge".

FFXIV Players: This game is too damn easy. You can do everything brain dead. Give us harder content Yoshi-P! Also FFXIV players: * uses plug-ins to make harder content easy *

I'll be honest, I'm more disgusted by streamers and figure heads within the FF14 community that have been defending this or just not calling it out. It's such hypocrisy from people like MrHappy(the RDM was cheating and he didn't kick him from the group, so if they clear, they benefitted from cheats too, and I saw some commenting the RDM is part of the Balance Discord, if true, even worse), Zeno defending cheating after just calling people out for view botting because it's "cheating the system and their fans", Arthars apparently knows people doing this. Calling it out is not throwing anyone under the bus, they're ruining the game. High end content has no purpose if everyone is cheating their way through it. Why would anyone watch World First or even just raid prog now that it's so clear, the so called "top players" are all cheating. You can't believe in anyone of them, what they say, they're f**king cheating to look better at the game than they are, period. It's pathetic, it's cringe, grown people, some of them are 30-40+ years old cheating for clout in a game and making excuses like a little kid that got caught stealing candy like "But those kids did it too!". Yuck.

@Giyari50

Жыл бұрын

You do realize a lot of people are in the Balance discord, it is an excellent source of information, from openers to Best in slot choices, this info is essential to high end content. I don't see how being informed is cheating by being part of the Balance discord.

@ToMaSsS10

Жыл бұрын

At least 1 guy is "cheating" in all high end raid content, so what?

@Hlieyto

Жыл бұрын

And it's not just PvE, PvP has it's own can of worms of cheats. It's basically all parts of the game are infested with cheats or bots

@mismismism

Жыл бұрын

@@ToMaSsS10 So what? It makes it purposeless. Cheating kills the achievement, it kills the hype, it's like saying players taking steroids and throwing matches in sports is fine because some of them will cheat, it's not, if you have to assume they're all cheating then there is no point to the sport. And in this case, it causes problems because players also get pushed to break TOS to do content because of this mindset, you can't just play the game properly?

@mismismism

Жыл бұрын

@@Giyari50 You clearly misunderstood what I said. The RDM on MrHappy's team, who some in posts were saying is someone in charge of posting info in Balance Discord, not just a random, (someone that supposedly is a beacon of knowledge and skill in the game has to cheat to learn mechanics?), got caught using that cheat that shows the telegraphs, they admitted it and essentially said "I only used it sometimes", MrHappy and the group knows they cheated and they didn't even replace him, they just continued progressing with him like it didn't happen, which is why his comment section was flooded with people calling him a hypocrite.

People extra mad because it was JP. Even the JP side... specially the JP side.

The only add-on I use is Gshade and I hope to god it doesn't get affected

I want more Ultimates. It's content. I don't care if only a percentage of the playerbase does it. You could say the same thing about Deep Dungeons or PvP. More options for content is better than less. 1+1 still equals 2. Having said that, I love that Yoshi-P basically told the cheaters to get better. These fights are clearable without add-ons. They're not necessary. Limited vision is a part of the challenge, like walls in a FPS game. If you use cheats to see through walls any win you get is cheap. Same thing here.

The use of these 3rd party tools needs to stop (but it won't, they always will be there). If Yoshi-P truly gets fed up with this, he just might decide to not create any new ultimates.

ehh if console players can do ults without act pc players can too :p

When you get into a topic, your accent gets strong. That shit is so beautiful.

Yoshi is trying to get the community to police themselves with this punishment by association. It will be the opposite of WOW. They may kick you in wow if you don't have an add on. Appears ff14 is heading to kicking players if they have an add on because they don't want any reward to be taken away.

Using 3rd party tools and cheats in japan is taken very seriously. Like they have been cases of similar situations where players actually did time in jail. That's probably why they deleted their accounts or at least another reason why they did

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

If I remember right - and someone correct me if I'm wrong - but that's because Japanese copyright laws are much stricter than in the US or EU. Basically, anything that modifies a program that isn't specifically allowed by the software company is illegal. I'm pretty sure this is also why you don't see many (if any) Japanese games that ship with mod support, and why companies like Nintendo have been so furiously against *anyone* doing anything at all with any of their IPs, like them crushing the Smash tournaments and emulators.

@6-1-1

Жыл бұрын

@@Maria_Erias Yeah Nintendo Shut down a Smash tournament because players was using a mod for SSBM. And A Japanese man was arrested for selling a BOTW save mod years ago.

My heart is so broken at this, if someone told me all this existed I'd have called them a liar... This is all so crazy.

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

What's ironic is that the Japanese teams have long railed and mocked NA and EU teams as cheaters (with Unnamed being one of the loudest) because of stuff like slide cast overlays for cast bars, all while staunchly proclaiming their own "purity".

@DeadSpaceWing

Жыл бұрын

Oh, you sweet summer child.

@TheAuron32

Жыл бұрын

@@Maria_Erias all that does is make me wonder what else they've done, really stupid as it opens Pandora's f**king Box really.

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

@@MorningSunGamer You're supposing on both sides. Supposing that cheating is more widely accepted and less punished in NA and EU, while JPN is more against it. That's a double standard, mate.

@Maria_Erias

Жыл бұрын

@@MorningSunGamer "Most" KZreadrs being... who, exactly? I don't know any FF KZreadrs who are fine with people cheating. At all. You can't just keep making stuff up and throwing around generalities without backing it up.

Hey Zep, I am not currently in a static, but I've watched others working at getting the clear, it doesn't look hard, just hard for no one person to mess up & wipe the group, is that how you feel? Zep or anyone currently working at DSR U, thanks for answering.

@originaldexter9387

Жыл бұрын

Heavens legend here and DSR and TOP are extremely difficult and will take most groups at least 3-4 months to clear

@THexas

Жыл бұрын

The fact that you think it's doesn't look that hard kill me lmao

@112Famine

Жыл бұрын

@@THexas none of the fights are hard once they're known, what is hard is getting 7 other people in a group that also know the fight, that are not drunk, high, watching videos, playing with their phone, or reading & responding to superchats, or just can not pay attention during the fight. Or they just lie about knowing the fight thinking they're going to get carried while being dead. Or to dumb to know how to play their own job. You do not raid, otherwise you'd already know this, you're a soy boy JOKE!

Thank you. I'm so glad you're on here. And not where I am.... the hours of content helps... it's fine!

i honestly feel the current max zoom level could atleast be 2x what it is i feel crammed in

@bxnaxmxxnaxx1914

Жыл бұрын

we would need to have extra massive arenas then. the point of the limited zoom, is cause the duty is planned to have you decipher where everything is, hence why people find zoom to be cheating, cause it basically makes a aerial view of the full reach of things that generally aren't. Like a xray or no clip. knowing where the mechanics are makes things ridiculously easy to plan. That said if they do make ridiculously large arenas, it would have to make use of it. But again, why bother with size like games that claim a huge open world. it's what you do in the zone that matters. hence no need to increase zoom.

@totallynottrademarked5279

Жыл бұрын

You know the fights are designed with that in mind right? Also you can move your character lower on the screen which gives you more than enough screenspace to see everything.

I kinda wonder if it’s possible to implement an anti cheat system that allows whitelisting some third party harmless programs while blacklisting really intrusive ones like cactbot

@MissSmoozie

Жыл бұрын

Not really, afaik cactbot still works via packet capture, and doesn't really interact with the game at all. While using checksums to check for modded textures is rather trivial. Not to mention, cactbot is on the absolutely tamest end of the more cheaty tools.

@kuza_g

Жыл бұрын

Cactbot is literally just a friend yelling callouts for people with no friends.

@MostlyClueless

Жыл бұрын

@@kuza_g And sometimes that friend can see the future and yell out callouts before it's even possible to know what it'll be.

@MissSmoozie

Жыл бұрын

@@MostlyClueless that's actually quite rare in modern fights afaik Have friends who use(d) it, and apperently it's gotten slightly lobotomised since the TEA "fix". It's still miles better than any normal human, but it's not as prone to premonitions.

@MostlyClueless

Жыл бұрын

@@MissSmoozie I've seen people moving before the visuals in P8S and all the rest of the fights this tier, it's still a problem.

Much love from a fellow bun! 💙

thats part of what i dont like about FF14 raids is the exceptionally close camera to the point i cant see whats all going on. the camera is very claustrophobia inducing.

My bf sent me an article on the drama

I would say some qol things that plugins provide or have provided like the buffs on the party list or what type of DMG an attack is is good that they showed the interest in especially with the attack type. It would be so nice if it would be a symbiotic relationship to improve the game and not going into the direction of a parasite. In my naive view I hope the former can still be achieved

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

I mean, that’s why these things have become official game features. I wish that the devs would actually hire some of these modders because they do good work! I swear, a lot of the stuff we want would get done faster. Stuff like updated character models and Viera/Hrothgar hat availability!

@axis1247

Жыл бұрын

​@@raisylvaine8398 Im gonna try and say this without being mean. Creating a mod is nowhere near the same as actually implementing a feature in game. Especially if the mod is a visual one. As visual mods only have to affect the client side and nobody else can see it. Meanwhile if it were to be implemented it would be a change on both client and server side. To make sure you see it and everyone else can see it.

One thing I would like is something that shows me personally if I am doing enough dps, perhaps red for way to low, yellow for close but a bit to low, green ok. Just so I know if I need to improve or not. If this goes on fflogs might get hit. EDIT: In my mind ultimate is a gift to the hardcore community, if the devs see that cheating happens in each fight going forward then they might stop making that gift since less then 1% of the playerbase do ultimate.

@CADPgamer

Жыл бұрын

Technically it's the emnity list. The more damage you're dealing, the higher your emnity increases. The only roles that are an exception to this rule are tanks because they have ways to manipulate enmity through tank stances, their ranged GCDs, and provoke and shirk.

@Muppemania

Жыл бұрын

@@CADPgamer I know that, not what I was talking about. I am talking about another indicater that tells you if you are doing your part or not.

I honestly do hope that we're able to zoom out more. I'm very prone to motion sickness, and it gets worse with age. Zooming out really helps with that.

I love that Yoshi-P and his Team have the same mind set as me regarding this. Today there are sadly a lot of people who think it's okay to use this tools or just ignore them because they think that it doesn't effect them, some even argue that it's fine because in other MMOs like WoW People do it too. The big difference is in WoW third party tools (Addons) are allowed or tolerated by the dev team, but in FF14 they are strictly against the TOS, meaning it's considered cheating. The punishment to rewoke the kill with all rewards and ban the players that used those tools is the right thing to do, regardless if someone thinks it's right or not, it was stated more than enough that such tools are forbidden and result in punishment.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

It’s unfortunate for anyone who doesn’t use add-ons for raiding because we get lumped into the same basket. I just like my Roegadyn actually looking buff and not like a giant Ken doll in a lot of clothes, and yet I know I’d get flamed and compared to these cheaters. I hate the idea of using an add-on to make a fight easier because just being able to see where I need to go is just so boring and would detract from the pride I’d feel for doing the fight correctly!

@wochda429

Жыл бұрын

@@raisylvaine8398 True, it's just an unfair advantage to others, especially console players that have already a little disadvantage using controllers.

@raisylvaine8398

Жыл бұрын

@@wochda429 I use controller on PC and believe me I know what you mean. Trying to situate jobs like Paladin, Dragoon and Reaper on the cross hotbar was hard due to how many skills they have and what purposes they all serve. People have told me to “just use the double tap hot bars” and I physically can’t due to issues with coordination. It makes me wish the PvP combos thing was an option for PVE because I could situate my bars far easier.

@DarkDyllon

Жыл бұрын

@@raisylvaine8398 you can adjust the triggers fairly sure to make them more sensitive to touch, in SB i used 1 hotbar and had to swap between them on a whim, memorizing where every single 1 of the buttons were, for the record i mained PLD back then, not do right now but i've did. ive made the switch to touble tab hotbar in SHB, took me a while to get used to it, but damn, did my gameplay explode in a positive way, kinda evolved into me playing partial claw to keep doing actions while moving around, i don't mind though.

@DarkDyllon

Жыл бұрын

@@colindeal9343 finally someone who says it as it is. so many people are for some reason passionate against third party tools, don't get why to be honest. I would get that 3rd party tools were mandatory (like if WoW was on console like FF14 is and then only PC can use mods while console is shit out of luck) but they're not mandatory, ever. they just enhance the gameplay tbh or fix certain gripes that some people have, for example not being able to see a pull timer past 5 seconds and having to start your rotation anywhere between 5-15 seconds.

i just started playing this game 5 days ago (after playing other mmorpgs for numerous years) and im glad the community is welcoming and the gm's/devs are receptive towards things like this. im really excited for raid content because everyone takes it so seriously within fair bounds.

I like the little shark in the corner of the camera view

i think aoto marker(or a way to save markers you made for trials) should just be in the game in some way because its just a quality of life thing

Personally only really use ACT (think most people can admit to that one) and then Gshade and triggernometry for some very specific mechanics. This is because I am colourblind and the in game settings just don’t help with many mechanics (btw they also are not even available on PS which is a majorrrrrr oversight imo). Gshade helps immensely for fights like p3s which was just a mess (with even SE admitting on that one). Then personally use triggernometry for mechs like nisi and high concept just to say nisi colour/ water/lighting tower because with the colours SE chooses for these mechanics they are nearly indiscernible now yes there are often secondary markers but they are often extremely hard for me to notice (high concept) or PF strats only mention the colour (with nisi on light the common strat Is BPOG which is just a line of colours and I have no clue which little letter is the “purple one”) To cut a long story short I’m hopeful that SE will improve accessibility (actually adding options to ps5 would be a start) by putting more thought into their choices when designing graphics for mechanics so I don’t feel like I need to use addons just to play on an even playing field with others. I also hope the community also mentions secondary markers in the strats they make another example would be ex4 from EW where the common macro just mentions marker colours for PlayStation when adding the corresponding letter/number to the macro would help a lot especially for new players who have the same disability

I will say not all add ons are created equal. Aside from all the animation or body changing mods, but the colorblind mods, the count down mods, even triggernometry, does not help you clear but assists you in doing the fight normally. Some people can't see the normal mechs, some have memory issues so they need reminding, yet these little mods would technically be cheating

@tearlach47

Жыл бұрын

That's the matter of enforcement. Accessibility mods should be in-game base features. The silly part begins if one or more of the accessibility features becomes a useful edge for the entire playerbase.

@ouromov2895

Жыл бұрын

I'm all for assist for people who are physically unable to do so. And I'd be all for them adding more comfort stuff But let's not hide under the umbrella of "Some people have physical disabilities" to give these people leeway who use mods to get an unfair advantage in the world first race. People need to be on the same starting line. I don't give a damn what people do normally but in a race? Hell no. I hope they do races that are watched by admins or something.

@stinalee3416

Жыл бұрын

If they can't handle end game content then end game content isn't for them. I'm casual because I recognize that raids stress me tf out and stay away from them.

@sakiefox7250

Жыл бұрын

@Stina Lee I'm not talking about people who legit can't handle the stress and difficulty of hard content. I'm talking about a color blinded person who can see some fights, but can't for others. For instance, pandemonium part 3, for both normal and savage was hard to see for a lot of people, including those with normal vision. A friend of mine who does perfectly fine on hard content fights is red colorblind. Completed all content, including 4s perfectly fine, but p3s is so badly designed for him that he had no choice but to use a colorblind mod so he can do p3s effects. That doesn't help him do the fight, that just helps him see. That's why I'm saying not all mods are equal to cheating. A colorblind mod, a mod to ping for dot, or a large number mod is not equal to mods that literally guide you through the fight.

Lol so I am very new to this game, and the first thing I ever heard about third party tools was, “they’re not allowed”

27:05 This is the funniest thing about all of this because a lot of people absolutely are taking the high ground, and you know damn well half of them use some form of third party themselves. Most people do. I did and still do, my entire FC does, all the top streamers do, and half the people witch hunting more than likely do. That said, the splatoon thing is pretty bad lmao - That's bad even by WoW standards, and that games designed around third party.

From UNAMED TO UNARMED.

@Albatross0913

Жыл бұрын

My ADHD brain took "unarmed" to "disarmed" and then "Hey Nappa, he's been... disarmed!"

At this point, I better see a CoD x FFXIV collaboration.

My biggest worry is that they end up implementing heavy anti-cheat code, and the gposer community is taken out as an innocent bystander.

For things like auto marker, I still feel like the OG version was across the line, since while it could be done with macros using automarker meant that no one had to press an extra button to set or change the markers on people. it impacted the run as a whole. I only use ACT to keep track of my numbers, and will provide numbers to the group IF people all ask for their stats. I never even upload to FFlogs, even when I have a really good parse myself, because I am only using it for my benefit.

See even Zepla is saying it is difficult without ACT, like it is suppose to be! I do savege blind and it is hard and fun, the way it was meant. Anyone who now defends ACT shows their true colors. Get good people and stop crying for harder content then cheat when it is too hard because you must keep the title of "good" player, instead of actually being a good player. What this is showing is world first players are not as good as they claim to be. I seen streamers say they need all these tools, to include ACT, or else they can't beat the raid. Those who need any 3rd party tool should be stripped of title of end game player. I hear them crying that TOP is too hard and these are players who say they want a challenge, but only one they can beat. If they can't beat it they must cheat, they only care about "W"s now. On a side note, when I was in the Navy I heard stories of Japanese collectors finding ex-military members who left unpaid bills years after they left Japan. They do NOT play around.

And while we are having this moral discussion, far, far away, in the land called Azeroth, players are reportedly having issues locate their characters on the screen flooded with plugins... I still remember my first time ever raiding in WoW, Castle Nathria in Shadowlands (was new to the game), where before the raid, the raid leader took me aside and helped me install all those addons xD I knew about every mechanic that was coming at me about 10s ahead, and when I asked on discord if it isn't cheating, there was a silence shortly disturbed by a nervous laughter... and they were wiping like crazy anyway xD

@CidVeldoril

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but WoW bases their boss fights on expecting people to have stuff like DBM installed. They deliberately make them harder so that they can be challenging even with DBM. Which means that running them without addons is a nightmare. :D

@jirikral1794

Жыл бұрын

@@CidVeldoril That’s possible, though it does not change and f888ked up it is =)) I had fun playing those raids, though the normality of game modifications there is just unreal.

@CidVeldoril

Жыл бұрын

@@jirikral1794 To be fair, most mods in Wow became pretty obsolete with ongoing updates. Like, there was one that enabled easy ways to search for parties across different servers. That became obsolete when Blizz realized "Wait a moment. That's actually a good idea, let's implement that!" The only Mod I can even remember that is pretty much useful for Wow is DBM because it's regularly updated. Although I could be wrong, heard that Wow had something like that baked in at some point.

@AuspexAO

Жыл бұрын

I honestly couldn't heal in WoW with Vuhdo. The game doesn't really support healing at high mythic plus levels, lol.

@AuspexAO

Жыл бұрын

I meant without. Stupid broken edit on my phone.

I use a dps meter. I just need my ego boosted once in awhile. Also has helped me realize when I need better gear.

Honestly, stuff like this should be banned, but not all plug ins/mods are bad