Caller is right. As an atheist, I have a very strong bias against fantasies about invisible magical god-daddy friends. I tend not to take that nonsense seriously.

It’s a bit frustrating you let this guy claim science is a religion instead of pointing out WHY the two are so different.

@mumuvp

5 күн бұрын

Extremely frustrating

Saying I don’t know to a question is probably the most honest answer you can give to a question.

@terryfall8915

5 күн бұрын

But honest men do not pretend to know; they are candid and sincere; they love the truth; they admit their ignorance, and they say, "We do not know." -- Robert Green Ingersoll, "Superstition" (1898) As long as every question is answered by the word "God," scientific inquiry is simply impossible. -- Robert Ingersoll, "The Gods" (1872) Is it not better to place a question mark upon a problem while seeking an answer than to put the label "God" there and consider the matter closed? -- Joseph Lewis, from The Philosophy of Atheism

Boy, "John" must be exhausted with all that goal post moving.

@logan666

5 күн бұрын

“Now don’t move the goal posts, especially if you’re still going to miss” -Alex O’Connor

A scientist will be the first person to admit he doesn't know........ "Yet"😉

This guy was wholly unprepared for a discussion of any kind.

One thing that theists don’t understand is that science is open for revision when new information is discovered. Religious people believe their book is complete. Their views on everything is literally written in stone.

Atheists are biased? That's a heck of a thing coming from someone who is biased toward one of any number of the thousands of different gods humans have worshipped. I like to say we atheists are consistent. Something you god believers can't say.

@rakitakhan

5 күн бұрын

Yup. I have a shirt that says " I don't believe in your god the same way you don't believe in anyone else's".

"I gotta call these guys" is hilarious. "My very limited understanding is somehow going to talk these people into believing something without evidence."

So much projection from this caller.

John is certainly a few fries short of a happy meal. Bro didn't even understand basic concepts.

@OctaviaOG

5 күн бұрын

@@wiI1776 he's incredibly uneducated and incapable of logical thinking to say it in the kindest possible way. if he's a happy meal, he didn't just miss out on some fries, i think he's only got a half eaten cheeseburger.

It's not just the catholic church that condones abuse of children. Most religions do one way or another.

@OswaldBatesIIIEsq

5 күн бұрын

Just like that preacher Robert Morris in Texas who abused a girl years ago. His congregation still supports him. That's amazing for all the wrong reasons.

@Magnusfication

5 күн бұрын

Yes but at the time it was okay cuz everyone was doing it (it being children) also talking snake and flying horses. Just take my word for it bro

Uumm... Science goes where the evidence leads. It doesn't matter if I like it of not. Universe doesn't care if I'm upset for something being real or not real. If I have to choose between science and religion, I'm biased to choose science. Science won't lie to me to make me feel better.

@georgexavier3636

6 күн бұрын

Sorry to be pedantic. I agree with you in general. However it is important to not conflate science and scientists. Science is a process a methodology. Scientists are not they are human, and as such are prey to all the weaknesses of the rest of us mere mortals. Scientists can, have and will lie and manipulate data ect. There are many, many examples of this. Science as a process can uncover and correct these mistakes and corruptions. But only if the scientists using the scientific methodology are honest. It's the very reason for the peer review process.

@Wiggimus

2 күн бұрын

Hey! No weird replies from theists! Let's celebrate with a metal recommendation 🤘 "Vultures of North" by Orbit Culture. Such a good song 🎵

@einienj3281

2 күн бұрын

@@Wiggimus Ooo... I love it! Let's party hard! 🙌🏻😸🤘🏻

The irony of a theist with pre-set fixed ideas based on no evidence arguing that the scientific process is « biassed » is hilarious.

@Leith_Crowther

5 күн бұрын

He’s not arguing he’s not biased, he’s arguing we are. Two different things.

@starfishsystems

5 күн бұрын

​@@Leith_Crowther Not entirely, since we haven't established a common reference for what "bias" means. If by "bias" the caller means to say that atheists are HOMINIDS, for example, and the caller is also a HOMINID, there wouldn't be much ground for contention, apart from being a poor choice of terminology. But, from context, we might reasonably suspect that the caller is trying to establish that atheists are WRONG and the caller is RIGHT, by virtue of this property called "bias." Then we'd want to see whether the claim of bias is in fact warranted. And in order to do that, we'd need to establish what "bias" means to the caller, and whether we agree with it.

Any theist ever trying to pretend they are listening to an atheist: "I understand what you're saying." "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

On one hand, talking to people so far behind in knowledge feels like abuse, but on the other hand, the are sooo many of these people.

the problem is that this caller is uneducated and doesn't know he's terribly uneducated. he has some sunday school dogmas he's learned but lacks an ability think through his own ideas or follow a logical argument. that's what's frustrating.

@bobs182

5 күн бұрын

Dunning-Kruger to the max.

@raccuia1

5 күн бұрын

And all the toilet wall graffiti reading he has done. It's a lot of, ahum ahum, sh_thouse verbiage.

John seems to be confusing scientific method with scientists.

@OctaviaOG

5 күн бұрын

@@teresaamanfu7408 he's confusing his sunday school christian dogmas with an ability to think. he utterly lacks an ability to think and worse: he isn't aware he doesn't know how to think logically.

@jaimerivera2382

5 күн бұрын

He's also conflating atheism with science and the scientific method.

He was literally arguing that ignorance is better. That brain was washed down to his feet.

I only watch these videos as I’m so incredulous that people call in to argue when all they have is their belief as evidence.

Yes I have a bias against irrationality and believing things without evidence.

I always try to keep in mind half of the population is below average intelligence, so not every caller is going to have something of value to bring . This was one of those calls .

@raccuia1

5 күн бұрын

As the late George Carlin said most people are really stupid and half of those are even more stupid.

God DOES NOT EXIST because he is not joining in the conversation.

I just don't understand why so many theists are desperately trying to prove that atheism is an ideology or religion. Like, even if it was true, what would that prove? Is it just a tu quoque?

@skinfully

5 күн бұрын

my guess is to try and level the playing field. which stems from the ingroup vs. outgroup mentality. in my experience when i was religious, having beliefs criticized felt like an attack on the self. since religion's so closely intertwined with all your actions. get beliefs scrutinized? the feeling sucks. → go on to project beliefs that these criticizers are the enemy, absolute sinners, worst of worst human beings. believe they're "blind", arrogant. → accuse them of arrogance, which can take the form of claiming atheism is also a religion, takes faith, etc.

@Leith_Crowther

5 күн бұрын

They’re trying to paint antitheists as hypocrites, or at least inconsistent. “You say religion is bad, but you have a religion.” It’s a fair thing to do if they’re actually right, but they’re not actually right.

@Paolo8772

5 күн бұрын

It is a Tu Quoque fallacy, and an admission that religion and/or faith isn't a good way to conclude the truth about anything.

@starfishsystems

5 күн бұрын

​@@sammur1977 Your mistake is in ASSUMING that codes require cognition. It's an (unfortunately typical) Begging the Question fallacy, or Argument from Ignorance if you prefer.

@jaimerivera2382

5 күн бұрын

@@sammur1977 Your *other* mistake is conflating atheism with science. Atheism is the response to a *single* claim - you claim a god exists, and we say "we don't know/we're not convinced due to the lack of evidence". Everything you decide to lump on top of that are different claims that have their *own* responses. For instance, another claim is "biological "codes" require cognition". That is a *separate* claim that would have to be demonstrated - and this claim can't be used to defend your claim of "God exists" until we all agree that biological "codes" require cognition. And even *if* we agreed that they did, that still doesn't mean that *your* god in particular was responsible or exists. While we could agree that "biological "codes" require cognition", there could be many many answers for who coded it - it would still be up to *you* to demonstrate that it was *your* god, and your god *alone*, that coded it.

The amount of equivocation that goes on in these kinds of calls is astounding. The distinction between the types of ideologies that theists vs non-theists hold is a pretty simple one: For theists, it's a full-packaged worldview that makes proclamations about what the world is and how it should be. For non-theists, the god belief is a small part of the worldview. The rest of our individual worldviews are informed by exploring the world around us and therefore can be drastically different from one another. And it's not just on this particular topic. I also see the same thing happen politically, where the finger is pointed despite there not being any true parallels. And I can only assume this kind of thinking comes from a lack of proper exploration into the other side. Theists tend to have information dictated to them, hence why they assume that it's the same with science, the kind of open questioning and need for specifics/nuance/clarity are all foreign to them. Not to say there isn't room for questions in churches, but at the end of the day, everyone shows up and leaves with the same conclusion in mind (that god exists and he wants the things they were taught). With science and skepticism, there is always room to question everything, it's just that how seriously you're taken depends on your ability to properly communicate your ideas in an honest way. That kind of humility can be uncommon even in some atheist circles.

Seriously, Can we give Texas back to Mexico?

@KitPhuket-ix1en

6 күн бұрын

The cartels are 1000000x worst, no thanks

@Paolo8772

5 күн бұрын

Only if we can save the roller coasters.

The skeptic does not mean him who doubts, but him who investigates or researches, as opposed to him who asserts and thinks that he has found. -- Miguel de Unamuno, Essays and Soliloquies, "My Religion" (1924)

If I told you an elephant exists I could take you to the zoo and show you an elephant. If I told you god exists I could …………..???

Some these callers are such bummers. Just weighted chains holding back society. The patience of the hosts is astounding

So John doesn't know what science is, what atheism is, what a religion is, or what an argument is. Got it.

Sure John, we'll talk about all the horrible things scientists have done to animals and fellow humans in the name of science... right after we talk about the horrible things religious people have done to their fellow humans in the name of religion. Holy crap....

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

Oh, the christian god is sending its very best to call in, yet again... John from Texas, who doesn't understand the meaning of the words he's using, and rote repetition of quotes that he's heard since he was a child. What really confuses me is that he didn't claim to be an atheist at the outset of his call.

@RecMike

6 күн бұрын

The good ol' "Back when I was an atheist and angry with god..." A timeless classic. That would have amped this up a bit for sure

More people need to say "i dont know" and go study more

Neurobiology states everyone has biases. When claims are made, I'm going to expect detectable, observable, and measurable evidence without apologies.

Do people go to school in Texas?

@einienj3281

6 күн бұрын

Callers from Texas are making me assume: No.

@D-Pocalypse

6 күн бұрын

Good question 🤔

@andreasplosky8516

6 күн бұрын

Yes, people go to schools in Texas: Janitors, administrators, cleaners.

@MooseMaunu

6 күн бұрын

Yes they do. The main difference is they are armed to the teeth, and they teach the bible as if it's a history book.

@KitPhuket-ix1en

6 күн бұрын

Their school only have a plus sign at the top of their buildings which explain their education

Reality is biased, and I’m biased toward reality.

Guilty as charged! I am super biased against claims that are not supported by evidence.

The hardest part of being an atheist is fighting off the stupid imagined misconceptions Christian’s constantly makeup about us.

People in general misunderstand the observer effect so much. They kind of feel like it's some woo woo quantum thing. Here's an example of the observer effect. You have a glass of water, and you want to measure the temperature of the water. You put a thermometer in it, but the thermometer is NOT the same temperature as the water. So your measurement is slightly inaccurate. Observer effect.

Scientists who do "bad" things do it because they're bad people, not because they're scientists. John is very, very far down the rabbit hole to the point he can't see outside of it anymore.

John really has just a very tiny piece of limited knowledge about everything including his 'metaphysical' world which is limited to his god. He could do with an education outside of his church.

We as a society have failed people like John. We need to do better as a species to educate our populace on skepticism and critical thinking

"Something you cant see or touch is metaphysical" finally proof that i produce metaphysical farts 🎉

@seraeirian2

5 күн бұрын

I mean, you can touch it.

I'm biased towards evidence, correct.

Be more assertive, don't let the mucky muck siderail the points that the caller is missing.

OMG. Super sad to hear his ignorance being so astounding & hindering his knowledge of reality.

John is so indoctrinated or dishonest it's hard tell with some theist. He can't tell the difference between confidence in a process aka "science" and religion. The scientific method is always subject to change based on facts.

@starfishsystems

5 күн бұрын

Well, let's be careful here. The SCIENTIFIC METHOD is open to revision as we gain insight into the reliability of different methodologies. For example, Karl Popper introduced the idea of falsifiablity into the investigation of hypotheses. That was less than a century ago. But you're talking about the PHENOMENA which this method proposes to study. That's an entirely different thing. It's important not to confuse them. Your choice of language needlessly confuses them. Scientific CONCLUSIONS are "always subject to change, based on facts." You offered a perfectly good description, but of the wrong thing. New facts could easily upset a prevailing scientific theory. But the METHOD would remain unaffected, exactly as it was. If anything, our view of the method would be validated. It takes a new insight or interpretation, a change of perspective, something conceptual, to motivate a change of method such as Popper raised. This is not about new facts at all. It's purely conceptual.

@acerx203

5 күн бұрын

@@starfishsystems Stop being so pedantic, This is a comment section and colloquial use of words is the most common method of interaction. I know the scientific process is always open to revision. Which is why it's not a religion.

All of Johns views are based on ignorance, of what atheism means, what an ideology is, of what the scientific method is, of everything. Ignorance and gullibility seems to be foundational to theistic beliefs.

@starfishsystems

5 күн бұрын

And fallacious argument. Seriously. Once you start calling out the fallacies you begin to see that every theistic argument is based on fallacy. Most confine themselves to one from a set of only half a dozen or so. I enjoy calling them out, particularly the compound fallacies in which a single phrase may be badly constructed in multiple ways. The most I've ever seen is five fallacies in one ordinary sentence. That is some seriously barricaded stupidity.

Every time you hear a Theist say, “What Atheists say” or “What Atheists believe,” you know there’s plenty of Straw-mans coming.

Well yes, I'm biased towards reason.

Unlike religions of the world science is one thing which can be physically relied on.

So why is it that religious people get so upset and resentful? Because they want you to believe in their god, then do what ever they say and give them money. And for sure if you do not believe in their god then you are most likely not going to give them any of your money. Religious people really hate that!

Don't mean to insult Hollywood but John have feather brains.

I definitely would've liked to see them get into harm science has done versus religion. Because and of the most inhumane science was done by religious people, because they felt justified in abusing animals or people they saw as less than. So what's to blame? The science they were pursuing or the religion they used to justify their disregard for others Have they're been cruel non-religious scientists? Of course. But the original comparison was how parents treat their own kids. Many religions directly lead to abusing kids. There's no scientific teaching that can be used to justify abusing your child. There are no scientific organizations that protect systemic child abuse. The other side is that conversation is which has done the most good. Science has given us medicine, technology, a better understanding of the world around us, including the ability to do away with harmful superstitions like animal and human sacrifices meant to appease gods people believed control the weather. Now we know that's just natural occurrences, no gods or spirits to appease, and we have the technology to help cope with natural disasters, ask thanks to science.

@starfishsystems

5 күн бұрын

The germ theory of disease, to give one example. Versus claims of malevolent witchcraft. Which serves our wellbeing better?

I wonder if this kid ever finished high school? 🤔

claims of the sort 'there is more to reality that you can see' from someone whose 'science' knowledge boils down to 'the law of observation' is akin to expecting an amoeba to 'comprehend' the world of ants.

How many kids lives have been saved through the scientific development of vaccines? It’s at least as many as have been ruined by religions.

Questioning theism is so totally biased. It’s not fair that their worldview is ever challenged based on the logical inconsistencies that they espouse. I mean, come on… Imagine whining about the ‘dogma’ of science, while simultaneously claiming it’s only existed for ‘like, a hundred years’. Pot, kettle homie… This caller was excessively hostile, constantly (deliberately?) mischaracterizing the beliefs of the hosts, and just misconstruing pretty basic concepts left and right. I wouldn’t have found it worth engaging with them for even half as long as the hosts did.

Alright, John might be right in the end. I mean...I for sure don't know. But when asked, what I think, the honest answer is 'ridiculous made-up iron age nonsense'. And I'm ready to argue thereabout.

I am not convinced that God exists, and I am also not convinced that God does not exist, because I have not seen any convincing evidence to support either proposition. The reason I’m an Atheist rather than Theist is that, with my knowledge of Science and the Natural world, I have found that there is no phenomenon of nature or understanding of reality that requires a supernatural explanation (God). All natural phenomena can be explained by purely natural explanations. God is unnecessary and superfluous.

So dude doesn’t know what metaphysics is. Nor does he really know what atheists or probably even science is. Am I biased? Yup. I’m biased towards reality.

Such incredible arrogance...watchea program for 30 min snd believes he knows more and better than the hosts

Atheism makes no assertions or claims and has nothing to prove or defend. “Atheist belief” is an oxymoron. More: “Atheist Faith,” “Atheist church,” “Atheist religion,” etc.

John is an embarrassment to the name John and rational thought.

Christians strawman

You do talk a load of rubbish John.

Sadly I think I'm gonna have to unsub from talk heathen.. It was a great channel a few years back. I always preferred it's style a little more than the athiest experience but the content has dried up. it was bad enough to be getting recommended the same videos I've already seen 20 times. but now you're releasing "Throwbacks" which are only from a couple years ago? What a joke. either get some new hosts and make new content or shut the channel down. Stop living in the past

@GoodBrotherGrimm

6 күн бұрын

Dude, you don't need to write a farewell speech.

@einienj3281

6 күн бұрын

😂😂

@XxMrGreenBudxX

6 күн бұрын

@@GoodBrotherGrimm You liked it and you know it

@dieseljester3466

6 күн бұрын

This ain't an airport, no reason to announce your departure.

@D-Pocalypse

6 күн бұрын

Don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on your way out....... 🤙

Repent. Believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Romans 10:9 KJV That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

@curious1053

6 күн бұрын

Why should anyone take those quotes seriously?

@KasperKatje

6 күн бұрын

Rigor Mortis 3:16 "Every knee shall stiffen"

@MooseMaunu

6 күн бұрын

You again?! Tell me bible thumper...how many converts have you driven to "jesus" with these threats in KZread video comments?

@D-Pocalypse

6 күн бұрын

Empty words from an iron age book.......

@albaniahenry-franklin2829

6 күн бұрын

​@@MooseMaunuMy best educated guess would be absolutely ZERO.

I am totally biased against hatred and inequality. I stand against gods and people that push these things as part of their ethos.

John is from texas. Enough said. John is a goof.

Aussie here. How come most calls to them have someone that more than likely greets people with "Hey Y'all!"?

@Leith_Crowther

5 күн бұрын

This caller didn’t, but lots of people do because callers are majority-American. The American south in particular makes “hey, y’all” a pretty normal greeting, especially when talking to multiple people.

@sgtsnokeem1139

5 күн бұрын

@@Leith_Crowther my point was they tend to be from the south.

I swear.. thia dude is walter white's son..

John is incredibly annoying in his rambling simplicity.

Every now and then, I need to remind myself of why I stopped watching this kind of stuff. It's SO FRUSTRATING! 🫨