it's peculiar how dragon ball fans always put more thought into it than its creators themselves

@arigo1015

19 күн бұрын

It's mainly because the creator (Toriyama rip) was never really serious with the series and he actually meant for it to be a gag series, you can see this in the Ginyu force and fat Buu as well as og DB however the fans love it so much that they see the potential the series has that toei just refuses to explore it's one of the reasons some argue Goten black would've been a far better villain than Goku, all it would require is a bunch of writing and planning for how Goten turned that way since according to multiverse theory for each decision made in history and for every second that passes a separate timeline is created, creating the conditions needed for Goten black. Why are there Saiyans, Namekians, and arcosians in both universes 6 and 7? Were they originally 1 universe during their creation? Where's Yamoshi in the afterlife? Was there a Yamoshi like character in universe 6 that won the civil war of planet Sadala? What are the origins of the arcosians? Where do the super dragon balls come from? (This is a valid question as apparently according to some Zalama is the dragon but if that's the case why would he create the dragon balls?) Is there a demon realm Zeno and if so why hasn't he been shown? Why do the Saiyans have so many transformations compared to other species does it have to do with their origin? Why is it that universe 7 Saiyans became blood thirsty planet conquerors when in order for a Saiyan to reach their full potential they have to have a gentle nature, by natural selection the blood lusted saiyans would've died out long ago due to the gentle Saiyans reaching their full potential and overpowering them. And they could just make whole prequels about the history of the DB verse like a Yamoshi/Sadala civil war movie or series and they would make a fuck ton of money if they're able to pull it off well depending how they go about it.

I refuse to believe vegeta's blue evolution isn't just super saiyan blue 2

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

go read my comment i give a good explaination, but that blue evolution might just be ascended super sayain blue or ultra super sayain blue.but its debatable because if we assume at tournament of power they are at equal footing than gokus kaioken x20 ontop of blue doesnt compare to blue evolution? super sayain two is 2x super sayain. so the super sayain blue multipliers are definetely f*cked and id even debate super sayin blue isnt 50x super sayain god. either that or blue evolution is something else entirely

@dylancox2157

Ай бұрын

@@thegodlynerd it does look more like super vegeta

@samburgerwithcheeze8145

Ай бұрын

​@@thegodlynerdbut why wouldnt it be 50 times god though? SSJG happens when you use god ki, and SSJB happens when you stack SSJ ontop of that? Goku even says its just going super Saiyan with god ki so its still multiplying the SSJG. Even in the TOP Goku switches between God and blue, similar to how he goes from base and ssj. Unless your Saying God ki nerfs the full effect of super Saiyan to the point it's not a 50 times increase which is terrible.

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 it is super sayain ontop of super sayain god im not denying it its just the fact that the power scaling is so inconsistent that it would make more sense to the canon if super sayain blue wasnt 50x stronger cause goku definetely grows higher than 50x. but also you can just disregard what im syaing to be completely honest cause the power scaling will probably never be consistent, im jsut saying if i became head writer of dragon ball super im changing so much of the power scaling cause its sooooo stupid, also super sayain god is just a base form with divine ki

@samburgerwithcheeze8145

Ай бұрын

@@thegodlynerd It's an known phenomenon about the power scaling being inconsistent. But remember against Jiren SSJG was merely a finger to Jiren, compared to Gokus previous forms that he just tanks effortlessly, it being a 50 times SSJG does makes sense if it went from him blocking with his finger to full on clashing with him. But overall super is terrible at scaling lol, blue evolution is relative to kaioken blue which is nuts.

SSJ2 and SSJ3 are feral routes that rely on anger, contrary to God-forms which rely on calm mind and control over oneself

@mkalic7423

Ай бұрын

SSJ 1 isn't?

@KapayaSiame

Ай бұрын

In the Heroes series, Goku Black achieves SSJ Rose 2 and SSJ Rose 3. Even if not canon to the original manga, it’s still official material.

@MoeenKhalil-db6fu

Ай бұрын

Maybe ssg but ssb is a mix of a calm and a rage form.

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

super sayain god is a base form and super sayain blue is definetely a rage form and its idiotic if super sayin 2 and 3 exist but super sayain blue ends at one. also you have to consider blue evolution, what the hell is that?, go read my comment i talk about it.

@mkalic7423

Ай бұрын

@@thegodlynerd I think Evolution is kinda like the equivalent to what Vegeta and Trunks obtained in the Time Chamber, the SSJ Grades 2 and 3: a more powerful yet energy-consuming form

Technically it's possible but, and that's a big but, the amount of strain that it would put on Goku would most likely kill him if he did it now in the series. However if Goku mastered SS2 and 3 like he did in the Cell arc then it would be very possible.

@johnzahm193

24 күн бұрын

He and Vegeta did master ss2, all of that training in the other world over 7 years he definitely mastered the form and as it's implied in Z you can't achieve the next form without mastering the previous ones, but ss3 has never been mastered and probably never can be because it drains so much stamina

@jayzdawg3111

24 күн бұрын

@@johnzahm193 Very true which is why I made that statement. Thanks for adding to it.

6:24 True but Super Saiyan 2 is literally a better version of Super Saiyan overall, no matter how strong SSJ is SSJ2 would be stronger. If they mastered 2 with no ki drain then used god ki to make it blue 2, it would overall be better than blue. Now if Goku managed to master SSJ3 somehow then blue would be just like how original SSJ1 is. The real reason blue 2 isn't a thing is because theres probably a threshold of power for them to reach beyond blue. Think about it, Goku couldnt stack ssj originally with ssjg, he needed to train to do so. So what if he needs to be a certain level in base to pull that off? In the manga they have multiple versions of Blue but no blue 2, if ui didnt exist it would've been their next step in evolution Now on the kaioken argument: true Kaioken blue doesnt make them useless but imagine Blue 2 kaioken x20, or SSJ3 Blue kaioken x20, blue 3 x 20 would probably be ui omen level if he managed to master SSJ3(idk why he hadn't he has a HTC to train in but chooses to leave it as it is. I hope gotenks does master it though) Blue in general makes any form before it useless but the forms before helps you scale how stronge the person is. imagine an enemy thats blue 3 level and he needs mui, it would be way easier to scale how strong someone is, with blue its pretty vague because ROF blue is way different than TOP blue in power. It eould just be cool if we had a multiplier for ssg

Yes because in the promotional anime Dragon Ball Heroes Crimson Masked Saiyan(Goku Black), went Super Saiyan Rose, Super Saiyan Rose 2, Super Saiyan Rose 3, and Super Saiyan Rose Full Power. So yes it is possible.

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

Is Heroes canon? Genuinely asking bc I don't watch the Anime or play the Games

@milkman4760

Ай бұрын

​@@driveghost1996nope. it's a promotional anime for a game

@KapayaSiame

Ай бұрын

@@driveghost1996 it’s its own thing. It even has its own manga. There’s even Super Saiyan 3 Full Power by a saiyan called Cumber.

@Rjfromoutsouth.04

Ай бұрын

That’s a promotional anime with its own unique concepts and continuity. That doesn’t have anything to do with the main anime or the manga timeline or power structure at all

@MoeenKhalil-db6fu

Ай бұрын

​@driveghost1996 it isn't canon, thankfully.

I think Red is SSJ1, Blue is SSJ2, and Blue 2 is SSJ3. I don't think Red is just him using a different type of Ki, be cause it's said that that ki is now apart of him, and he uses it in base form. It would be interesting if Beast was just Blue 2 (AKA, SSJ White). SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3. Red, Blue, White. It's just like fire, going from red, to blue, to white.

@ElPeloXD

17 күн бұрын

no, youre wrong, im correct. i refuse to elaborate further.

Great points here, especially the one about the kaioken multiplier basically exceeding the multiplier of ss2 and ss3 combined. Great explanation man.

@OnlySayori

21 күн бұрын

the kaioken multiplier is just not valid though, we could just have a ssjb2 with kaioken, the forms could still be useful and still use kaioken

@Ace_of_Horns

20 күн бұрын

@@OnlySayori yeah i guess that's true.

@8theminecraftgamer

19 күн бұрын

@@OnlySayori bro if it was ssb3 with kaioken then it might just kill goku in a milisecond of activating it

@niftylittlename

16 күн бұрын

​@@8theminecraftgamer "this is my heart attack technique, watch this shi-"

if he could reach ssj2 blue i would be highly flabbergasted if he was allowed to stack kaioken in anyway without dying

If you look at in the normal multipliers it would be 2x and 8x. If you consider blue evolution as a grade 2 ssj1 variant then 2 and 3 would or should have WAY better multipliers at a logical reasoning. But ego and ui may still surpass them.

It would have become so convoluted to simply recolor all of the super Saiyan transformations and the writers probably realized that

I in particular do think that super saiyan blue 2 and 3 are possible. the problem of getting to that part however, is that the super saiyan blue is all about the control, calmness of super saiyan god combined with anger of original super saiyan. Pure control on this part is already difficult. Super Saiyan 2 is, I hate this definition that Dragon Ball Super gave us, but S cells as energy, that gathers in the back, compress, tighter, it would mean that to get to the part of Super Saiyan Blue, first, would be containing all that aura that escapes, the same way Goku did in the Manga. After that, compressing all that energy to the level it could give space for more energy to gather in the back, compressing so on and on. Nevertheless leaving that blashpemy of definition, Super Saiyan 2 is more about anger than the original super saiyan, is, so it will be even harder to balans with calmness of super saiyan god

@PawDRyu

2 күн бұрын

Hence, Goku and Vegeta skipped that and went straight for Ultra Instinct/Ego, which is all about one emotion guiding them. Which now as I think about it, both ultra Ego and Instinct could limit progress of thinking out of a box for both saiyans. I like the definition of non canon super saiyan 5, being combination of all emotions putten into balans, none dominant one. That's how out of a box they should think, I think

Ssjb2/3 is the same principle as ssjb due to them mixing god ki with super sayian so all goku has to do is add ssj2 to god ki and boom

Well, yeah it's possible. Blue Evolved is Super Vegeta but with God Ki. Same with Goku Black in heroes using Rosé 3

If it was possible they would be useless. SSJ B 2 is a x2 multipler on SSJ B and SSJ B 3 is a x8 on top SSJ B. Both of which would be a weaker multipler then Evolved or Kiaoken x 20. Not to mention it took Goku and Vegeta forever to full master blue and deal with it's energy drain. The energy drain to try and use the form wouldn't be worth it. While a theoretical SSJ B 3 with Kiaoken x20 would be powerful it would likely still be weaker then UI and wouldn't last long at all.

@driveghost1996

6 күн бұрын

@@jeremymorris345 Exactly what I say in the video.

@jeremymorris345

6 күн бұрын

@@driveghost1996 Commented before I watched, sorry.

@driveghost1996

6 күн бұрын

@@jeremymorris345 It's fine, most the comments seemed to have done that lol

@jeremymorris345

6 күн бұрын

@@driveghost1996 Algorithm boost lol

1:50 I think its ssb mixed with the grades cause it looks like ssb on roids

Actually it’s possible cause ssjbe is the equal to ssjb kaioken x20 Kaioken x2 (or just kaioken) ion top of ssjb is the EXACT EQUAL TO SSJBLUE 2 Kaioken X8 on top of ssjblue is the equal of ssjblue 3 Ssjblue evolution and kaioken x20 on top of ssjblue is the equal to what would be greta but blue

maybe ssjblue2 could have been usefull, since it doesn't drain stamina that much, but ssjblue3 would have not been worth it. Tho if goku managed a kaio-khen x20 on ssjblue he probably could have handles a ssjblue3 as well, but ssjblue3 would have only been a 8x on top of ssjblue. By the time they could maybe handled those transformations they already had UI and UE, so not really worth it. Maybe a ssjblue2 with kaiokhen could have worked tho

@kuru-yami9416

Ай бұрын

It would be worth. Its effectivily making him ssjblue kaioken X 40 level of power but without that much strain on the body. Or if hes ssjblue kkX10 hes equal to X20 ssj blue 1. And if he went back and mastered ssj3, he could then just use that instead since it would surpass the others by a long shot, without even needing kaioken. Ssj3 is similar to potential unleashed which means its multiplier increases as gokus base power increases. Ssj blue 3 would be worth it , if goku actually masters ssj3, and especially if he also masters ssj god. At that point, even normal ssj blue would become supremely powerful

@dokkaner5934

Ай бұрын

Imo we should've got SSB2 before going the Ui/UE route since SS2 is a superior version of SS (technically grade 5) with no draw backs it made no sense for them to stop exploring the possibilities of god ki with just SS without some inverse explanation as to why.

It is possible bcuz goku in RoF saga went to ssB by merging ss1 with ssG , he could merge ssG with ss2 or ss3. But its useless bcuz ssB 3 (if its possible) will be 8 times ssB since ss1 is 50 multiplyer and ss3 is 400 multiplyer , ultra instict is way too much more multiplyer than that.

There isn’t a reason to try and achieve further transformations, you’d need an enemy like Cell that nobody can touch, what Vegeta and Goku would probably do is just fuse though which would yield much more power than SSJ2 or 3.

I feel if that the god forms were be a stronger multiplier then the regular SSJ forms

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

yeah thats pretty much what i talk about in my comment go read it itll make sense

(tldr at the bottom) im thinking about getting into dragon ball z theorys and stuff like that and i think this topic is an interesting one because in my opionion i think that super sayain god is not a form at all and is just a different type of ki (divine), like their is demonic ki and omni ki (im just guessing zeno and the dragons use some different type of ki ofc) so pretty much i think you could even have a super sayain god great ape, a blue great ape, and a blue super sayain 4 however the blue super sayain four would probably not be blue since super sayain 4 goes from super great ape to a completely different form so what it would look like is all theory. also in this case you need to consider rose which if i take it into consideration its most likely the super sayain blue for the kai beings of course a non sayain being wouldnt be able to use traditional sayain forms. however we see goku black use super sayain rose 1 and he may or may not have an acsended base form (alike supersayain god being a base form) or maybe zamasu simply uses divine ki at all times so when he stole gokus body he achieved a strong base form of that is at the level or comparable to super sayain god. so thats up for a bigger debate, but of course their is also a super sayain rose 4 and rose ape form which would be cool to explore but all this is simply something youd see in a fan manga but if super sayain 4 is added this is all 100% canon it would have to be. i simply dont understand why no one has reached super sayain blue 2 but im assuming blue evolution is either super sayain blue 2, or acsended/ultra super sayain blue. of course i dont know though i would need to look into it more. (tldr) yeah there is likely a super sayain blue 2 3 and four as well as for rose. (edit: also i came to the consideration that blue evolution might just be something else entirely.but its debatable because if we assume at tournament of power they are at equal footing than gokus kaioken x20 ontop of blue doesnt even slightly compare to blue evolution? super sayain two is 2x super sayain. so the super sayain blue multipliers are definetely f*cked if blue goku with x20 is weaker than blue evolution which means super sayain 3 which is 8x stronger than supersayain is shadowed by blue evolution by a huge margain and id even debate super sayin blue isnt 50x super sayain god. either that or blue evolution is something else entirely, but of course its just the issue of inconsitent power scaling every anime has this issue which means debating what is what is pretty much useless without confirmed power scales. for example super sayain 4 is definetly not canonically millions of times base power but thats the power goku shows with it? confusing. also the fact that goku and beerus fist collision shook the universe but goku at a stronger point against stronger foes (beerus used 70% canonically in his fight with goku so that means that if beerus is still stronger than goku he too has definetly done some crazy training off camera) never was once again able to do that while colliding fists, the only explaination to that is that beeruses destructive energy is potent enough to destroy the universe and goku performed a near multi galaxy feat to nullify it using martial arts or maybe a higher scaled feat , but of course its canon that goku and beerus both contrubited to this universal feat massively? and lastly the fact goku shook infinity when he first used ultra instinct -_- do i even need to say why thats just not true by logic (lets say the logic is the tournament arena had an atmosphere that goku shook because that makes the most sense logically) but canonically goku shook infinity with a limited power. but im getting ahead of myself here long story short. there is logic and canon if you wanna powerscale use logic and canon in different literations so no one gets pissed.) (edit 2: yeah so i see many comments about super sayain blue 2 and 3 being useless in the eyes of UE and UE and you are all 100% correct its useless to the maximum but you have to think that so are every form but blue and god... yet at every point in the anime they have used one of these pointless forms because they are interesting to implement every once in a while because it shows their growth and helps powerscalers alot more. also alike i said before their is logical canon and the writer canon, logically goku has no use for these forms since with kaiokenx20 he is stronger than blue 3 (which is supposedly 8x stronger than blue 1) and even if goku did use blue 3 there is no f*cking way he is using kaioken ontop of that, he would be annihlilated by it... now there is writer canon. the writers have already shown that the blue form has a way bigger multiplier since blue evolved surpasses blue kaioken x 20 and isnt even labeled blue 2 or anything close to that... so evidently blue 2 and 3 would seriously overshadow kaioken blue. and as for the stamina drain? in 30 minutes goku went from a normal mortal to one who mastered ultra instinct... the sayains will adapt to anything id put my life on that. also UI and UE are just techniques. they take goku and vegetasstrongest point and add the UI/UE skills ontop of it so it mimics a form pretty much)

@smdbzxproductions9868

Ай бұрын

Want to get into Dragon Ball Theory? learn to organize your writing better. You will need to be prepared to counter-point and debate. And when you write a wall of text, no one will want to read it or take you seriously. "im thinking about getting into dragon ball z theorys and stuff like that and i think this topic is an interesting one because in my opionion i think that super sayain god is not a form at all and is just a different type of ki (divine), like their is demonic ki and omni ki (im just guessing zeno and the dragons use some different type of ki ofc). so pretty much i think you could even have a super sayain god great ape, a blue great ape, and a blue super sayain 4 however the blue super sayain four would probably not be blue since super sayain 4 goes from super great ape to a completely different form so what it would look like is all theory. also in this case you need to consider rose which if i take it into consideration its most likely the super sayain blue for the kai beings of course a non sayain being wouldnt be able to use traditional sayain forms. however we see goku black use super sayain rose 1 and he may or may not have an acsended base form (alike supersayain god being a base form) or maybe zamasu simply uses divine ki at all times so when he stole gokus body he achieved a strong base form of that is at the level or comparable to super sayain god. so thats up for a bigger debate, but of course their is also a super sayain rose 4 and rose ape form which would be cool to explore but all this is simply something youd see in a fan manga but if super sayain 4 is added this is all 100% canon it would have to be. i simply dont understand why no one has reached super sayain blue 2 but im assuming blue evolution is either super sayain blue 2, or acsended/ultra super sayain blue. of course i dont know though i would need to look into it more." It's much easier to read, spread out, and easier to comprehend. Your sentences might also want some work but we DB fan's cant read so I guess it doesn't matter.

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

​@@smdbzxproductions9868 yeah the one you wrote is alot more compact and easier to read ngl i was just in a rush and started spewingout words i tried to make a TLDR but it wasnt all that good, but do you agree with what im saying at least?

Isnt ssj4 a stronger humanized golden ape? And isnt the golden ape a mix of the oozaru and the super sayian? So could the oozaru be stacked with super sayian 3 then that be stacked with ssjbe?

Well in dragonball super during the tournament of power vegeta achieved super saiyan blue evolved which is super saiyan blue 2. Goku also implies in dbz during his fight with buu when he turns super saiyan 2, that’s it’s an ascended version of super saiyan & vegeta stated super saiyan blue evolved is an ascended power of super saiyan blue

@andrehwsanders7146

Ай бұрын

So yeah technically super saiyan blue evolved is blue 2 ascended or evolved in the dbs/dbz world is considered level 2 or higher for the initial transformation

When already saw ssj2 blue in the tournament of power while yes it might be error it's desgin itself is still there

@ElPeloXD

17 күн бұрын

what, no... it was just well drawn ssjb, no sparkles, watch the show again

To answer the question of the video: No. Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is the next step of Super Saiyan Blue as that form breaks the limit of Super Saiyan Blue, just like Super Saiyan 2 and 3 breaks the limit of Super Saiyan 1. Rose in the anime is a different divine mutation of Super Saiyan 1, so it didn't evolved the same as Super Saiyan Blue Evolution.

@Eric6761

17 күн бұрын

Rosé as Zamasu said is the Super Saiyan Blue of a divinity

@MinhLe19303

16 күн бұрын

@@Eric6761 That's just the manga. The anime didn't parallel it to SSB, but a different version of SS1 that different from SSB.

Yes it possible. Vegeta ss2 blue evolution is just proof it exist. They just didn't want to use it. That's why ultra instinct exist and Vegeta god of destruction form because it will cause them to rethink the original transformations. But instead they chose to make new ones. Super Saiyan 3 and Super Saiyan blue uses too much energy. Like they didn't solve that in the cell saga and Vegeta in the god of destruction saga mastered Super Saiyan 2 to the point where he was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. I understand that Goku didn't train as much before that. But still Vegeta being weaker than fat buu and Goku to straight out matching them in that saga is crazy.

In heros vegito has lightining in his arua so it looks like ssjb2. Cant remember if his hair changed.

You are wrong SSB is going SSJ on SSG

@arkimedeez

Ай бұрын

that's what he said

Via Potara earing fusion it should be easily be possible.

It would be over showed by ssb kaioken and ssb evolved

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

That's a point I make in the video lol

@awakane5341

Ай бұрын

@@driveghost1996 I know people don't get it

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

@driveghost1996 obviously yes if we uselogic (go read my comment i talk about this) but if it were made canon blue 2 and 3 would overshadow these forms by alot and blue evolved is some type of blue expansion that is going to be weaker then blue 2 and 3 if animated, it just makes more sense for the canon, but logically you are 100% right but not to be rude this is an anime you cant exactly use logic

My personal headcannon: Since super sayan blue is a fusion of super sayan and super sayan god, the only way to get ssj blue 2 is to fuse ssj 2 alongside ssj god 2 (an evolution of ssjg) and the only way to get super Sayan blue 3 is to fuse ssj3 with ssjg 3. Fusing ssj 2 or ssj 3 with regular ssjg, or fusing ssjg 2 or ssjg 3 with regular ssj would result in vegeta's transformation, super sayan blue evolved, which is a slightly weaker version of the hypothetical ssjb 2 (like a ssjb 1.5). Since regular super sayan comes from anger and rage and gives a boost in strength and power, i believe super sayan god would be the opposite, giving a boost to speed and agility, alongside with strengthening techniques and attacks. Super sayan blue would both give physical strength, agility, and a boost in abilities at a cost of mental stability. Regular super Sayan blue would have little to no effect on the main cast due to it giving a downgrade to mental state thats way too small to be noticable, while super sayan blue 2 would give a way more noticable loss on the user's mental state, with ssjb 3 putting the user on the verge of insanity (like super Sayan beast does with rage), with it requiring incredible mental stablility and emotional control to be used effectively. Overall, i think a perfected super sayan blue 3 would be enough to rival beerus, with goku fusing it with the ultra instinct technique and vegeta imbuing it with destroyer energy, finally putting an end to beerus's reign as the strongest current enemy of the sayan duo and putting either whis, the grand priest, or a different character like a g.o.d that was way to powerful and unpredictable and was sealed away as its new strongest enemy. Also, the super Sayan blue transformations would allow goku and vegeta to use both the UI technique alongside destroyer energy together as vegito or gogeta, since i believe UI and UE are incompatible as forms, while super sayan blue 2 or 3 could be embued with both at the same time. Edit: spelling.

@ElPeloXD

17 күн бұрын

holy shit, that makes no sense in too many levels.

@Frieza_Fanboy

17 күн бұрын

@@ElPeloXD how?

@Eric6761

17 күн бұрын

​​@@Frieza_Fanboyunlike the rude guy before me, allow me to explain: Super Saiyan Blue is the natural evolution to Super Saiyan God, not a fusion as Goku described in Resurrection of F, Blue is an form that is provenient of the God ki as said by Goku Black and Gohan Beast is not using God ki as much as we know since Beerus in the manga even asks Whis if the form Gohan have is something provenient of God energy and Whis said no, so there's no way it's a fusion besides, Blue already has a Super Saiyan 2 that is Blue Evolved besides even if Goku and Vegeta unlocked theoretical 2 and 3 versions they would pale in comparison to anything that Ultra Instinct and Ego since their multipliers are stronger

@Frieza_Fanboy

16 күн бұрын

@@Eric6761 fair enough I guess, although what I said here in my comment is more of a fan fic of sorts, I just like the idea of a form deteriorating mental state instead of health (kaioken) or energy (ssj3).

@Eric6761

16 күн бұрын

@@Frieza_Fanboy that's honestly a cool idea

😂ssj3 doesnt rely on anger it rely's on screaming at the top of your lungs without stopping for almost 2minutes

I hope at least SSJB2 is.

I figured blue evolution is like ssb2

Khalil Super Saiyan Blue 2 and Super Saiyan Blue 3

We alr have super sayian blue 2 in the manga, its called mastered ssb. They use it in every fight post goku black arc

@ElPeloXD

17 күн бұрын

is that a bait? what you said is completely false

@baseddlite7306

23 сағат бұрын

i miss when bait used to be good

@ElPeloXD

19 сағат бұрын

@@baseddlite7306 thsi is literally "bait used to be believable"

Dude Goku already achieved ssj blue 2 against Jiren

ssj2 n ssj3 POWER outlet would not be worth the trade off as it would be harder to maintain blue due to the fact that these forms let power escape hence the reason in duration of maintaining these forms are a lot shorter then ssj1. notice majority of fights they do not stay in ss2 or ss3 for very long. and revert to base form, while ssj1 they only seem 2 revert to base form when knocked out.

Its possible but they get ui the same time around they master ssj1 blue in the manga atleast for goku, and anime goku has kaioken x20 ssj which is better than ssj3

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I said in the video 👍

Id say likely.

Yes for the anime but for the manga, definitely no

SSJ3 is 8x stronger than SSJ... So SSJB3 = SSJBKKx8 < SSJBKKx20

mssjBE3+mssjG+kkx100 =?

I feel Goku form should've been SS3 God

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 3 are not possible, think about it from the massive amount of stamina and KI it would to transform into those forms let alone sustain those transformations for a period of time longer than 5 minutes! They'd probably use 10x as much than Vegetto Blue then to attack with a Gallick Gun or something like that it'd take 2x that amount!

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

theyd obviously adapt this is goku and vegeta we are talking about super sayain 3 used to be a super drainer but now goku can use it with likely minimal issue, its debatable cause when he used it in the TOP he was weak and already drained so who knows? but obviously if the writers wrote this in this logic would be flawed but dont get me wrong you are 100% correct. go read my comment itll explain alot i swear

I think Blue 3 would straight up kill him.

my head cannon is that the rage induced by super saiyan 2 and 3 is too great for it to mix with the calm god ki. only reason they can do it with super saiyan 1 is because they mastered it and became peaceful in it via super saiyan grade 4

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

i kinda agree with what you say (go read my comment i think i explain it perfectly)

@GungaGod

Ай бұрын

@@thegodlynerd i read like the first 3 sentences of your comment, and you dont agree with me im saying ssb2/ssb3 cant or wouldnt exist. youre saying that ssb2/ssb3 can or would exist

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

@@GungaGod im saying it would be cool if it existed not that it 100% does exist if you read all of it youd know. but whatever i guess

Blue 2 would be enpar with Blue Evolution and Blue Kaio-Ken x20

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

go read my comment brodie

@aterrariastarcell5952

Ай бұрын

So, SSJ2 is 2x SSJ, right? SSJB is SSJG + SSJ… So no, SSJB2 wouldn’t be as strong as SSJBE or SSJB Kaioken x20, it would literally just be equal with SSJB Kaioken… Just like how super kaioken is equal to SSJ2

It not needed because super saiyan is a greater multipleir than ssj2 and 3 now. Akira Toriyama stated 2 and 3 are just mutations and that the original ssj’s power can increase further than them.

@smaragdchaos

Ай бұрын

He never said that

@terrence9772

Ай бұрын

@@smaragdchaos he did

@terrence9772

Ай бұрын

@@smaragdchaos He did

@MLG11256

Ай бұрын

​@@terrence9772 He never said that lmao

@terrence9772

Ай бұрын

@@MLG11256 how about you do your research instead of dismissing my claim

Blue 3 would be enpar with UE and UI

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

theyd be on par with the weaker versions but not the max since goku and vegeta grow with UI and UE, keep in mind these arent forms but techniques they dont literally get stronger they are using their full power in these states so its by default stronger than any form they could use, go read my comment i explain alot in it

Super Saiyan blue 3 would not be possible because the stamina drain would bring you near the brink of death Mastered Super Saiyan blue 2 would be the maximum that's worth perfecting. Super sayian 3 however, would be much harder and it would not be worth it. This topic is like saying why doesn't goku combine mastered super saiyan and Ultra Instinct during the tournament of power when jiren tried to kill goku's friends How? one may ask that's easy, go back to base and transform into mastered super saiyan and then stack the complete power of ultra instinct Possible Names: Super Ultra Instinct, Ultra Instinct Full power In The manga Super True Ultra Instinct

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

i dont know what you are talking about with the super sayain ultra instinct could you explain it better? but yeah you are 100% correct with what you say (go read my comment i explain ALOT)

@mugencoreni7130

Ай бұрын

@@thegodlynerd It a super saiyan Ultra Instinct is a form that's conserves stamina that's all

@mugencoreni7130

Ай бұрын

And it's far more efficient

Like the majority of the fandom with a terrible take, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is not a terrible name. "Super Saiyan Blue" is the terrible name. Calling it "Blue" lessens the form. "Blue" makes it sound cutesy. And also no, SSGSS is not "Super Saiyan with God Ki," it's the Super Saiyan form of Super Saiyan God, exactly what Goku explained it as.

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

SSGSS is objectively bad. There's a reason literally everyone says Super Saiyan Blue and not Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan.

@SpiralVortex

Ай бұрын

@@driveghost1996 SSB is really stupid af. SSGSS is better, FACT. Calling it Blue belittles the form, also fact because people now think SSGSS is a joke of a form. Literally no one called it Blue when the Frieza movie was out, because it was called SSGSS and it was viewed as powerful. And it's still officially called "SSGSS" in the series and marketing, more facts. Do we call SSG as Super Saiyan Red? No, because that's stupid af, same with calling it Blue. Terrible takes from you

@Supahdenning

Ай бұрын

@@driveghost1996 *SSJGSSJ is based actually.

@kuru-yami9416

Ай бұрын

Ssj god isnt a ssj form, so yea its a shit name. Its just god form. Blue should be called ssj god, since its god ki with ssj together

@SpiralVortex

Ай бұрын

blud deleted my 2nd comment from days ago because he couldn't handle the heat 😂

NEXT UP IS UI GOKU 2 AND 3 POSSIBLE XD

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

Nah

@orlonshammer9145

Ай бұрын

@@driveghost1996 DARN ULTRA EGO 3 THEN LETS GO :D LOL

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

@@orlonshammer9145 Why would I do that when I can make a Video about Super Saiyan 10 x100 Ultra Orange

@orlonshammer9145

Ай бұрын

@@driveghost1996 I RATE IT MAN :D

@kindertak5396

Ай бұрын

Well they literally are... Because UI is a technique...

😑

If the writer’s decide it is, it is. That’s how fiction works

@KapayaSiame

Ай бұрын

Yeah at the end of the day. With Toriyama gone, they can go in any direction like Heroes where you find SSJ Rose 3 and SSJ3 Full Power. You’ll eventually see these concepts in the main canon of DB.

@illosovic

Ай бұрын

I think with him gone, canon DB is over, otherwise GT and heroes are canon, now anything that ever comes out is literally fan fiction 😞​@@KapayaSiame

I disagree. Also a words of advice. Write a script, Record mutliplie files instead of 1 big file, practice breathing while talking. It'll improve your video quality. Im not perfect at it myself -_-'

@driveghost1996

Ай бұрын

I also need a better computer than my all-in-one potato, bc it lags and cuts audio when recording lol

@smdbzxproductions9868

Ай бұрын

I feel that.

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

wait wait why do you disagree my guy? (read my comment itll likely change your mind but tell me if it doesnt)

No. God no. It's bad enough they forgot about Ssj God. Blue 2-3 is pointless. And what's the point. UI, which is supposed to be a technique not a transformation, and UE increase the Saiyans power. The next level for Blue would be that Blue Evolution that Vegeta achieved when he fought Toppo. A form that's been rendered useless in the following arcs. Toriyama and Toyotaro should've stopped at Ssj God followed by UI & UE. Unfortunately, six transformations (counting Kaioken) wouldn't sell as many toys as nine transformations.

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

yes you are 100% right of course but if these were introduced in the anime obviously the writers would make the forms strong, (go read my comment i explain alot)

@ElPeloXD

17 күн бұрын

who cares dude, the thing is that they are possible! thats the whole point of this video

hahahahahaha why would Goku or Vegeta need that when they have Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego which eclipses the need for those silly transformations....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@thegodlynerd

Ай бұрын

logically yes but its more complicated than that... go read my comment i explain alot more