That pre-made sheet when the ninja died was a dick move, he knew he was going to do this once and for all without relying on the dice and was actually PROUD of it

@wargriz8213

Жыл бұрын

Yea, handing him a premade character like that is adding insult to injury. Like I didn’t like your character so here’s a character I do like.

@akun50

Жыл бұрын

@@wargriz8213 I would've accepted the sheet, instantly done the most dishonorable thing possible, committed seppuku and then made another ninja. All while keeping eye contact.

@vexxama

Жыл бұрын

Yup. I’d have stopped right there and said it was a railroaded death just because he didn’t like the character. The sheet just shows evidence of planning ahead of time

@kyletucker3811

Жыл бұрын

@@akun50 I mean its rude as eff and probably burns the bridge, but I'd have just stared him in the eyes and slowly torn the sheet in half.

"This game is set in 16th century China and I'm aiming for historical accuracy. Yes you can play a samurai or a ninja." Hmm. "Here's a dragon in this Chinese campaign that died protecting its eggs" That's like playing a game based on Greek mythology and just casually coming across Hephaestus' forge and finding that the god is dead in the corner and glossing over it like it's no big deal. Also I don't think they lay eggs.

@vegeta002

Жыл бұрын

His 16th century China campaign was probably about as authentic as Disney's Pocahontas.

@solarchos4352

Жыл бұрын

The fact that the DM said his campaign's set in China but incorporates exclusively Japanese classes (and probably other things too) is most likely one of the reasons why the players had such a hard time.

@jaysonklein6018

Жыл бұрын

@@solarchos4352 I'm glad I'm not the only one scratching his head on why there are SAMURAI in a CHINESE campaign.

@solarchos4352

Жыл бұрын

@@jaysonklein6018 Yeah. If there were MONKS in that campaign, that would make perfect sense (Shaolin, etc). But nope...ninja and samurai.

@Creshosk

Жыл бұрын

Chinese beliefs were that dragons did indeed lay eggs. They'd be in the egg for at least 1,000 years. But it was a bad idea to be in possession of an egg when it hatched. It would hatch in the form of a tiny worm or snake and grow within minutes into a full-sized dragon which would whirl up to the sky in a thunderstorm, tearing its way out through the roof. This was their explanation for water spouts as a young dragon ascending to heaven.

So, overall, Steve wanted to host the MCU of DND campaigns. Sounds amazing, but is probably an anxiety-ridden rollercoaster in actuality. Some things are easier said than done, but I won’t lie, that kind of overarching does sound like a LOT of fun!

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

On paper it is Sadly reality is often disappointing

Steve was a the kind of D.M who bites off more than he can chew, and then forces it instead of doing something more intelligent. That's my take away from this.

Oh DEITY! I remember a similar argument to Story 4 on our table, but about whether plants have a soul. My character as a Druid insisted they had since he could talk to them. That was probably not the smartest thing to say with a vegan at our table.

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

Being near a vegan wasn't the smartest thing to be honest lol

Does anyone find it strange that a Doge has so many cats?

@vortega472

Жыл бұрын

NEVER enough cats!!!

@tonydanatop4912

Жыл бұрын

As long as they’re well taken care of I guess it’s fine

the dude didnt' raect properly after the ninja death honestly. he should have said that and then tore the sheet in half without reading it saying 'this new character killed himsef before entering the dugneon, too much of a coward'. he'd have to sit through the session but accepting the sheet like that only encouraged steve.

About the ninja, they unironically played their ninja true to history. Not only were Ninjas assassins, they were also intelligent survivalists that would live through pretty much anything which earned their mystical reputation.

Part 5. Oi! Our blind cat (RIP Abby, our little Tsarina) was really feisty when she was 4 weeks old and blind. Hardly anything could really get past her except for a surprise petting.

I am DMing homebrew SW campaign. Actually it's my first real DM expirience after years of text roleplays in VK (Russian Facebook analog). My campaign is simple and made mostly for fun. Adventurers end up in the "unknown" sector of galaxy with systems representing 1870-1920 Europe (as a fan I know there's no such things in SW universe, but again, we playing just for fun). And "RPG horror stories" help me a lot to be a nice DM, and players all are having a great time ^^ Thank ye Doge, my cat Venczislav cheers for you :)

Merry knishmas everyone

This was probably the most fun Ive had listening. Steve is some kind of madman.

The big problem is saying “you know everything about them” to give him access to meta knowledge. Now whatever version that player believes would be considered the correct version,even though their not in agreement out of game. Th DM should have given the information for this particular setting rather than letting the player fill in the blank after a role

"I am the Doctor and this is my spoon!"

If I were a D&D player and someone tried to pull that crap with the ninja, that pre-made character sheet is likely getting crumpled up and tossed in the bin on my way out the door. His 16th century China campaign was probably about as authentic as Disney's Pocahontas, anyway.

How Steve had so much time? Did he even study?

"SPOON MAN!"

When the pre-made sheet would be handed to me, just over an honourable character, I would decide to go "Okay. Fine". Then, go all evil on his ass, using every twisted rule and regulation to go all Nobunaga on everyone's ass.

It's okay, Doge. My inner Chris Cornell came out too. I'm together with your plan.

I rather disbelieve an Arthurian setting to be low magic, because the Round Table was basically a feudal Justice League. Werewolf knights, King Arthur had a laser sword, Bedivere could turn giant, etc.

Since I'm still a novice, I have a question for the chat: Would picking a "fear" work better in, say, a skill-based game as opposed to one where the characters level up? I also feel that the DM could have said, while they picked their fears, "You might get an XP reduction/omission if you let your fear dictate your choices." (And yes, I know that seems hypocritical, but it would maybe add another layer to the characters if it was implemented a bit better.)

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

About the last part maybe add extra rewards after playing with high penalties

@NopeNaw

Жыл бұрын

What does "work better" even mean in this context?

@guyvizard549

Жыл бұрын

@@NopeNaw For some reason, I was thinking, when I made the OP, that the idea of character fears or phobias would be more applicable to something like Shadowrun, as opposed to D&D. I was thinking that Shadowrun characters were a better fit for some reason- whatever. The more I've thought about it after a couple days, the more I realize it's a bit of a silly thought. (Like, the game shouldn't matter. It's really about how and why it's implemented.) Obviously, fears would be more applicable to something like, Call of Cthulhu or something in that vein. Again, I'm a TTRPG newb, and I'm just asking questions (when I can't find an answer on reddit or forums.) If they're silly questions, so be it.

@NopeNaw

Жыл бұрын

​@@guyvizard549 Silly or not, asking questions is how we learn, so good on you for that. Using "fear" as a mechanic is a bit tricky, because not only is fear extremely subjective, it can mean a lot of different things. Is "fear" a general apprehensive disposition? Is it a crippling phobia? Or is it fight or flight triggering state of terror? All three can be true, depending on context. I played a character that was subjected to a lot of fire damage at one point. As a player, I decided that that instilled a deep fear of fire in him. He'd go out of his way to avoid sources of fire, never prepared any fire spells, and would avoid helping characters on or close to fire. But that had nothing to do with mechanics. If you want to use fear in a mechanical sense, the more clear you can make it, the better.

@guyvizard549

Жыл бұрын

@@NopeNaw Thanks!

The comment about alignment made sense to me. Back in 3.5, there wasn't much emphasis on the idea that a monster could diversify in its alignment, whereas in 5e, they put greater emphasis on the idea that "okay, they might tend towards a certain alignment but there can be exceptions." That's what the OP was trying to say. In 3.5, black dragons were just evil because they just were, while in 5e, they may tend towards evil, there can be good-aligned black dragons. That's not necessarily true, even back in 3.5 you could still have good-aligned black dragons, it's just 5e more strongly tries to put forward that there creatures of the same type that align differently from others of their kind.

@NopeNaw

Жыл бұрын

The most overlooked bit of the monster manual is in the introduction of how to read the entries. The very first line of the alignment section reads: "This line gives the alignment that the creature is most likely to have." Funnily enough, both OP *and* Mick are wrong on this point. Mick is mostly right in that the black dragon entry does in fact say "Always Chaotic Evil", but wrong in the fact that the previously mentioned line supersedes the entries (not to mention the DM) , and OP is wrong because he claims that 3.5 never specified "usually LE" etc, when that's exactly what it did.

@CruelestChris

Жыл бұрын

@@NopeNaw Well, "always" does rather imply that the "usually" in the alignment section doesn't apply in this particular case. You can't usually always be something.

21:32 Sing it, Doggo!

Sounded like you got a little Vedder in your Cornell, Doge.

User name 'Captain Carl Winslow'? OMG! NOSTALGIA OVERLOAD! Only those who grew up with actual Friday night blocks and Saturday morning cartoons could understand! Loved Perfect Strangers and Family Matters!

HELLO HAPPY DECEMBER 1ST!!

Yay Kitties! And they're chasing a toy snake, I wonder if my kids would like that? (And by kids I mean my two cats - a tabby boy and a black beauty). I love the look on Doge's face when he talks about his Twitter and memes about cats. Nice - a Soundgarden reference. As to Steve - Talk about Dense. Thanks for the vid Doge.

On the argument of the nature of dragons. It IS possible for dragons to be beyond their inherent nature of their scale color. It is based on the sheen of their scales that you can tell their true nature. The duller their scales, the more cruel and evil the dragon, even a metallic can fall from grace should they give into their more baser instincts and reject what makes them good leaving the normally justice seeking gold dragon scum as their scales appear dark and tarnished. However the reverse is also true, the shinier and glossy the scales the more kind and pure the dragon. Even the most notoriously hued dragons of the bloodiest of reds can be swayed to good should they be raised right and their scales reflect light like scarlet mirrors. For an example of such a dragon, the tale of Onyxia shows the effects of Nature vs Nurture. It is about a black dragon hatchling being raised by hand and her personal growth.

@AmaryInkawult

Жыл бұрын

Important Note however: You ARE raising a dragon to fight against it's very nature. This process will not be an overnight snap. This is an emotional ordeal for both the dragon as it will be confused as it learns both about the world and itself and for the person raising it. When roleplaying such an experience heartache and hard choices are likely inevitable for both dragon and parent and tears are not mandatory, but they will fall regardless of pain or wholesomeness.

With the dragon thing, yes monsters are evil, but this does not stop one form being nurtured or raised or even redeemed into a different alignment. There was another campaign, I thing on Critcrab about someone who raised an evil dragon to be something other than evil.

I can see the morality argument about the dragon both ways in regards to the game. Shades of gray make things interesting, but in a fantasy world where defined evil objectively exists its not unreasonable for certain types of creatures to always be a certain way. This can be interesting too. The DM needs to be comfortable defining how it works in their world when it matters and shutting down the out of character philosophy nonsense.

Ah, the good ol' alignment debacl... debate. OP is actually wrong here, claiming "monsters didn't say 'usually LE' or whatever" when that's *exactly* what the 3.5 monster manual does. To Mick's credit, he's actually completely right (as far as vanilla monsters are concerned), as black dragons' alignment entry does read "Always Chaotic Evil." It's important to note that it remains a suggestion as the alignment is mostly intended as a suggestion, as the introduction chapter states under alignment: "This line gives the alignment that the creature is most likely to have." Meaning a DM can opt to have ANY monster deviate from the norm. It's still an annoying and stupid debate to have, though.

Spooooon man Speak the rhythm on your own

Why didn't you add the last part (CritCrab did it)?

Can we have a tally of how many that guy archetypes this guy fit?

Fears in rpgs can be great provided the DM rewards players for acting on pc fears instead of punishing them.

In regards to the last part of the story, one thing really confused me. Two things, technically speaking, who was the OP selling spoons to and how? If the DM (Steve) was straight up ignoring the OP then how were they able to sell so many spoons to so many "people." Maybe I missed something, but isn't the DM also "the npcs/people?" If so, there is a weird inconsistency, in which either the DM was oblivious, there was a backup DM, or the OP is leaving out some details. That, or maybe I'm just completely unfamiliar with how DND of this caliber runs. I'm more inclined to believe the ladder rather than the former If someone could enlighten me.

@pLanetstarBerry

Жыл бұрын

It's not unusual for downtime (activities that have little to no association with adventuring) to be left to one dice roll, especially for older systems when people just wanted to get to the next adventure but needed to do things like craft health potions, run a shop, repair items, or shop for better gear. For those kind of rolls the DM usually doesn's want to roleplay every shopkeeper, cutomer, etc. Those are usually gaps for the players to fill in, given it fits with the dice roll. My best guess on what happened is that, since Steve's engagement with ttrpgs is mostly adventure/combat oriented, he wanted to punish OP for not wanting to participate in the tournament by leaving him with one roll to work with. OP figured out a way to use rules-as-written, mixed with Steve's wording of "You sell everything you make at book price" to annoy Steve. OP's describing how he sold the spoons is just flavoring for what happened since, using Steve's words, he sold everything he made. I'd also wager Steve did not read the crafting rules for that system, nor did he read OP's class abilities that let him mark up the price. I could see him wording things more carefully if he had known.

@Eellex501

Жыл бұрын

Steve told OP that he could sell anything as long as he had the time and material, so OP made the easiest and cheapest item in the book.

@openmindedgamer8923

Жыл бұрын

@@pLanetstarBerry Oh okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Steve has many flaws, but I thought he was pretty on-point not awarding full XP to characters who didn't participate in a major portion of the adventure. Watching the Prince of Persia gameplay reminded me of just how much I hated the combat system in that game.

@vexxama

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it unbalanced the party a little but it made sense. Imagine playing any game and complaining you left character is weaker because you skipped optional content. Granted, the fears they picked took that option away from them, but it’s likely other characters would experience similar setbacks later.

I would asked "how long it took you to create that character? Have any plans for the background in the campaign? Hmmm ok." Proceeds to rip papper. "I am going to play a video game. Peace."

To dnd doggie hello again my favorite dogo soccer. What’s up dog. As for your cats what’s new pussy cats woooooooooooooooooo! Lol did not see that coming.

wow 3 kitty in the same view!!!!! cute

Wait... Steve didn't like dishonourable characters... yet ran a Game of Thrones campaign? He's got things skewed. That group should have changed DMs, and given that guy a taste of his own medicine. Get a character forced on him, after giving him an ignominous death, while everyone else get more of a choice in their character, specifically something he didn't like, such as a ninja. I'll bet he would freak out and leave.

I would have bailed as soon as the Ninja death happened. You kill my char, and then hand me a replacement, proving you had every intention of doing it. Nah...game over control freak.

I really need you, Critcrab, Crispys Tavern etc to coordinate who gets which story. I end up hearing the same story a few times a week.

@MajorMasonGaming

Жыл бұрын

Sounds pretty toxic

@REfan2002

Жыл бұрын

I think it s great to hear the stories again from either of them. Gives different reactions from their readings.

@lamiahunter

Жыл бұрын

Absolute mood.

@robinmohamedally7587

Жыл бұрын

@@MajorMasonGaming lol, sounds like an overreaction. Get some help

@hatientacetlen4246

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a bit weird hearing the same story 3/5 times a week from different DND youtubers.

"That's a lot of PDFs" welcome to the world of 3 and 3.5 extra books. The best one is the book of lava. It gives the rules for what happens when you fall into lava. It even had trading cards! "You fall in lava." "No save." "You die*" *Unless immune to fire damage

Too much D&D is worse than no D&D

Bad an ambitious at least beats bad and borning.

The Black Dragon incodent: everyone is to blame for that. OP makes it clear that the two problem players were letting their real world politics seep into that proxie argument. The dm is not the group's nanny; once it got to the point of disrupting the game, everyone is equally empowered to resolve an out of game dispute. Also, knowing how a creature will turn out in the future is not really a knowledge check sort of thing. That is like asking for a knowledge check to see if you can kill a monster to avoid dying. There is a reason Matt Mercer's tag line is, "you can certainly try."

didnt crit crab do this one?

@benjamingarrett2497

Жыл бұрын

Generally they all cover the same stories eventually.

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but this one was covered this week, so obviously everyone will notice

@benjamingarrett2497

Жыл бұрын

@@GarkKahn an obvious new story popped up. I feel like it's pretty standard

@loomingdeath1758

Жыл бұрын

@@GarkKahn Thanks captain obvious on the SS No shit with his first mate Captain Duh and his fellow crew member No shit sherlock :D

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dont rly know why but i like hearing these stories and i dont play dnd xD

Spoonnnnnnnnn! Look like we have some the tick fan boys and fan girls in the comments.

To dnd doggie it could of been worse he could dropped at house on op. Ding don ops over killed.

1. Does your world have homebrewed dragon lore or did it source evil dragons from dnd? 2. The dm should have stepped in but this whole story is pedantic dm vs pc garbage. 3. If the dm said pc knows everything about them then whatever he says is what they are unless dm intervenes.

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