Story 3 You hit it right on the head. Either this DM was so highly incompetent in encounters that he accidentally killed the Cleric and tried to blame THE CLERIC for his fuck up… Or the DM had bad blood with Cleric and was trying not to kick him out of the game without actually kicking Cleric out of the game.

Story 1: they don't want to share the profits

@alarkhar

Жыл бұрын

yep.

@TigerW0lf

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter, doing so without their consent is a good way to LOSE said profits. Not a great plan.

@Ektalon

Жыл бұрын

Or, they are both assholes and idiots.

@WaveShock007

Жыл бұрын

@@TigerW0lf never said it was. Just said what I think their idea was

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

@@TigerW0lf why would I need consent to share video im in? you are daft.

"Why go through all that trouble and try to hide where op can't see?" Because if they had asked and let the dm know, they would have likely asked for a cut of whatever profits/revenue came from the streaming. Yes, I'm aware there's not a lot of money in it, but still. And a lot of people are stuck in the "better to beg forgiveness than ask permission" mindset.

@pugking4518

Жыл бұрын

Even the better to beg forgiveness than ask permission saying has its limits

@littlegiantj8761

Жыл бұрын

And people with that mindset can get stomped on by a Terrasque

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

it is better to ask forgiveness then beg permission. I dont need your ok to do this, why would I ask?

@psyivy9169

Жыл бұрын

@@DellikkilleD because not asking and getting consent makes you an asshole and its entirely reasonable for no one to forgive you

@damienhailey118

Жыл бұрын

@@pugking4518Your superiors? Sure. Friends and family? Hell no.

One of my favourite characters was a cave druid who spent 99.99% of his time as a crystal ooze. I would shake a bag of dice to simulate his speech and a little bit of homemade play-doh for his mini. Completed Rise of the Runelords with the awesome guy.

If we had IRL related sheets, I swear, Common Sense and Sense of Boundaries Is something lacking a lot In some players and DMs

@GarkKahn

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if some are chaotic evil or just lack wisdom/intelligence

Dragon Quest Builders 2! My favorite game! I got confused for a minute because I'm currently half asleep and I watch builds sometimes. So I went "why am I watching a lets play, wait, this is DnD Doge!" I hope the DM from the first story is able to get that group in plenty of legal trouble. They're going to do it again if they get away with it.

First story: Yikes! Good thing OP is taking legal action. Second story: Yeah, I’m with OP on not wanting to invite Chuck to the game. This guy’s complete lack of patience or respect for OP’s time tells me that he would be a nightmare to have as a player. Third story: What the fuck, DM? You don’t get to blame a player for a decision YOU made for them! If there’s a PC you don’t want in your game, just don’t invite that player or approve that character concept! Fourth story: Sounds like Main Character Syndrome to me. “How dare he speak to someone other than me? I’ll show him! Waaah!” No idea what the fuck the rest of that rant was about, though. None of what happened had anything to do with gender or Catholicism.

In Germany, you can't just spread someone like that without permission. Everyone has the right to their own image. And what punishment awaits you in court depends entirely on how big the audience was or is. And it also depends on how much remorse the perpetrator shows, how likely it is that they will do it again, how many times they have been in court. But usually you don't end up in jail for that, you get a fine and eventually you have to pay damages to the victim. But it is difficult to predict how high the compensation will be. Depends on how good the judge is and how good your attorney is at negotiating. And "how believable" the damage caused is.

@Lionwoman

Жыл бұрын

Kinda similar in Spain

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

really glad im not in germany. I have th eright to show anything I participate in. I need no one elses consent to do so.

@TheLevantin

Жыл бұрын

@@DellikkilleD If you're a content creator, you don't want people distributing your work without permission and maybe even making money from it. There are simple laws in Germany that do not allow you to be stolen from, not even your intellectual property. Other people also have the right not to be robbed. Your rights end where the rights of others begin.

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLevantin any video that I film, with me in it belongs to me, and BY DEFINITION is my intellectual property. There is nothing controversial about that.

@WimiBussard

Жыл бұрын

@@DellikkilleD Not if I am in it. There is nothing controversial about that.

i upload archives of streams i do with friends for private use (videos are unlisted, and only sent to the group) this is so those who missed something can see it, and so i can look back on it if i want. it brings me comfort. i would never show these to anyone without the groups permission, let alone upload them publically (unless they were already public, which we have done on my twitch) they also all know about the archives.

That first story is genuinely horrifying. To violate the privacy of someone so blatantly and with no concern whatsoever for them. I really hope OP manages to bring some consequences to those assholes

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

consequences for what? they did nothing wrong. single party consent. If Im in the video, I can show it. period.

@theinquisitorisamage1653

Жыл бұрын

@@DellikkilleD If it's in the US, and in certian states, sure - but other countries? That's a major "oh hell no" with a fine and/or possible jail-time.

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

@@theinquisitorisamage1653 lmfao. what shithole third world countries prohibit you from using your own footage, that includes you?

@Michaeljack81sk

Жыл бұрын

@@DellikkilleD Not in the US so that probably doesn't count Also are you really defending these people for treating OP like that?

@DellikkilleD

Жыл бұрын

@@Michaeljack81sk he demanded something he had NO right to demand. I would have went no contact promptly. why would you waste anymore time with that kind of entitlement?

Ah story 3, classic. Once had a DM who did this constantly, during my character's opening the DM said I was hunting, then two boars charged from a bush, dealing 3d8+2 damage, instantly killing my level 1 monk. DM said it's my fault, Boars are really weak, I'm meant to be an adventurer etc... DM says some priest brings me back but everyone in town is mocking my monk for being so weak, we leave town and suddenly 12 CR0 demons appear, getting surprise rounds on us, that's 12 attacks all with advantage, due to the automatic surprise round, admittedly they only do 1d4+0 damage on a hit, but at level 1 I only had 8HP, I go down immediately, the barbarian's on like 2HP and surrounded, he then picks me up and runs and again the DM's mocking us "HOW ARE YOU SO BAD?! THEY CR 0! I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN EASIER FIGHT IF I TRIED!". Then later he puts down 2 CR 2 demons saying "ugh, this is gonna be an easy TPK, if you couldn't handle CR0 you can't possible handle these guys", we beat them, DM was again so stupid "HOW CAN YOU BEAT THESE GUYS IF YOU CAN'T BEAT CR0 DEMONS?!" logic fails this guy...

Story 1: Before the confrontation and legal action, I would actually have exposed them in their streaming.

In the final story, I love the idea of the silent player and the guy trying to get him to talk, could make for some amusement at the table, Jack seems like he has main character syndrome & an inability to separate reality from fiction

@selfishgecko2550

Жыл бұрын

I think its somewhat of an interesting concept but I think it may have been a little overboard

@CulturalDuck

Жыл бұрын

Definitely sounded like the OP was part of the problem by actively avoiding engaging with the other player because they wanted their character to remain static. It sounded like a great scenario for roleplay and the silent player probably could've played into it by sometimes replying after a tough battle to acknowledge the other player. Definitely feels like there are stuff missing here.

For story #2, i've been in that position before with the local group I was in. the usual forever Dm was trying to hype things up, but made me stressed and anxious. Ironically, the game sadly crashed and burned as said Dm turned player thought it would've been a Greeeat idea to also 'teach me how to deal with bad players' by becoming one.

BTW, Doge, as a tip for DQB2: you can stand on the fence blocks (or any block for that matter), and then hold the place button whilst looking down. Won't put double blocks up like you had going on during story 4.

Story 2 power move, when he says to kick anyone he didn’t want in the game from the server he should of kicked Chuck.

That 4th story has implications of missing details. Even the least reasonable won't say utterly random stuff like "didn't play a girl" and "catholic-phobic". As someone very nonconfrontational, I know about stewing in thought and making mistakes after it builds up enough, and that story didn't entirely add up. Feels like he was catching some flak OOC for some personal things, and the quiet character was the last straw at the time. Doesn't make his reaction right, but makes a lot more sense if that's the case. Rarely is one side completely innocent.

@Darkloid21

Жыл бұрын

I don't think so. I think some people just can't handle things going their own way. Catholic phobic likely came from the fact he was a paladin. There were no missing details, it's just a guy who couldn't handle someone not playing by his rules. He even said that instead of respecting his character he took it as a challenge to open them up or "fix" them. Major main character syndrome. I don't see what didn't add up. Guy lost it because someone wouldn't play by his rules.

I love your cats. You should make a spinoff channel just for them.

OP 1 should read Puffin Forest's story about a friend of his who wanted to stream DnD sessions. Puffin sorta ruined it because he pointed out an adult joke connected to the script. 😆😆😆

For Story 4, I agree that Jack responded terribly. But, in truth, I can understand his frustration. The thing is, nowhere in this story did the OP ever indicate his monk even acknowledged the paladin's attempts to be friendly and strike up a conversation. He could have nodded, smiled at him, shrugged, made some sort of gesture. But we have no indication he did anything besides look straight ahead and act like the dwarf wasn't even there. Then, when he finally speaks in character, it's to the exclusion of Jack's paladin, addressing the other two but ignoring the paladin. After all his efforts to be friendly and build up a rapport with this monk, only to be given the cold shoulder, to then be left out of the first time the monk finally says something, probably felt like he was getting deliberately snubbed. Believe me that I understand not liking peer pressure. In person I'm fairly introverted, and while I can hold a conversation I'm not one for being the life of the party or the center of attention. But if your character isn't at least trying to reciprocate when a party member engages with them, then you're not being a very good team player. Again, I'm not saying he should have suddenly had his monk become a chatterbox, but even Silent Bob actually responds to what Jay says in a nonverbal way, be it a nod, a headshake, or a gesture.

8:40 - EXTREME MICRO-PANTHER CLOSEUP!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAA~!!!

Calling it pathetic is bad. However i also sometimes have encounters in my adventures where i do NOT expect the Party to take head on. And yes, if for example the lvl1 party decides to fight an adult red Dragon... yeah, they loose. So yes, you do need to use your Brain sometimes. However im not sure if that was possible in this Situration. And for Introduction it is not ideal.

Jack rage-quit because his sempai wouldn't notice him.

To dnd doggie I hope my favorite dog has a great day and a delightful thanks giving.

I would like an update after that guy swung the lawyer hammer.

And that's why you should ALWAYS get everyone's permission before streaming game sessions.

@FirstDarkAngel2001

Жыл бұрын

I asked all of my peeps on if they were good with me recording audio. It's mainly because of memory problems. :( it's why I constantly worried about ever DMing.

The lack of kitties at the beginning is absolutely unacceptable. We demand three times the kitties next video to make up for it.

Session 0 death? *Laughs in Classic Traveller*

Story 4 The problem was mad the dude couldn’t have a yesman and tried to make up random bs to make OP look bad

I've heard the last story before but something about this reading has me wondering if OP is really doing as much as they said to "drive the plot forward." From the sounds of the examples given, most of that stuff would've needed to happen regardless of OP's involvement. Not sure what they were really adding to the experience that an NPC or even a party pet wouldn't. Not saying Jack is in the clear, but I feel like OP didn't properly show that Jack was wrong about them being hard to RP with.

*Speaks in Catholic* Calisse... What was his problem, Oestie? On another note, I have played a silent character. A Dragon Age, Qunari mage. He hated his situation, and as a mage he was not permitted to truly speak, or have an opinion. He wanted to join the Grey Wardens, but there was proper issues that he understood would cause legal and social troubles with the Qunari. So he was essentially "drafted" by the Grey Wardens, cause the head realized my character wanted to join, but there were issues involved. It was the cleanest way he could become one. He was very intelligent, but was silent, and everyone relied on him, asking him for advice, and getting nods and growls as answers. But when he spoke, there was wisdom that everyone valued, and considered.

Story 2: chuck was out of pocket, but he had the spirit. I wouldnt hold it against him too long

Dragon Quest Builders 2 in the background

Not in agreement about story 2. He might be eager, but he overstepped boundaries by a long measure, and there's no guarantees that he would refrain from doing it again. Side note, had that happen to me, too. I contacted someone about running a Cyberpunk game, thinking I'd need a player or so to add to my friends who liked the system. A short while later, he sent me a group link without saying anything, so I jumped in, and he goes: "Here you go, ten players ready to roll". I just told the group that I wasn't looking for a troupe, I had been recruiting one player, and that guy had just misled all of us, before leaving group. No, I am not inviting him to my next game.

YOO dragon quest builders was so cute and fun!!!

Good end but I would have antagonized jack but telling someone else I don't speak to "some insult"

DragonQuest Builder 1 and 2 is a lot of fun. :) Also, from story 1, yeah... I hate what I look like, so naturally I won't reveal my face unless absolutely necessary. My insta, KZread, and even Facebook have 3d imagery as well as a false name. Story 2...That's why one needs to not force Dms to do a game. Story 3 I just smh... Story 4, I just gotta say wtf?! OP in this one has that Vampire Hunter D trope of not saying anything unless important, which is awesome. Jack is just a PoS. He has a clear problem, and should deffo get therapy.

Okay here’s my 2 cents on that last story. Keep in mind that we’re all severely missing context from this story and are only seeing this from one player’s POV. From my personal experience, as somebody who’s played games with players who want to be the silent type, it really doesn’t work in dnd. It’s awesome In shows and movies where narratives are more controlled and sustained but in tabletops, especially ongoing campaigns it can get very annoying to sit down and lay a game with a member of the table just doesn’t contribute. This is all conjecture, I’m basing this off of personal experiences. The op says that they’re very involved in pushing the story forward but all of their reasons for this are related to how they interact with npcs, not other players. For all I know, the players were actually big fans of the op playing a silent character however if the true motive for the other player having their outburst due to frustrations with this archetype getting on his nerves I honestly wouldn’t blame him.

I fully understand the rage from the first story. I would be furious if someone was putting my face, and my content on the internet without my permission.

I've heard that story with the cleric before, and that challenge rating set up really doesn't make sense. It's unnecessarily deadly and possibly game breaking. Also, that mess is totally the D.M.s fault for railroading the player into that spot. Never gave a thought to the consequences that D.M.

@kaylawoodbury2308

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that he seemed to confuse CR with being equal to a players level. A CR 1 is not something you would throw at a single level 4 character. That's why CRs go below 1 (1/2 and 1/4)

@marybdrake1472

Жыл бұрын

@@kaylawoodbury2308 Indeed Kayla, right you are. It was just a bad system to mange CR.

I stream one of my sessions as the other groups have at least one person that doesnt consent, yeah id like to share our funny moments with others but I want everyone at the table to be comfortable. People that disregard others feelings are horrid

More Doge more Doge!

IME it's best to be very wary of invites to GM for an existing group you don't know. It's much better for you as GM to put together your own group.

I think that Chuck was just really excited, I get the feeling he has some sort of misunderstanding on social matters and really wanted to help get the ball rolling. It's a shame it upset the DM which I completely understand, I just don't think Chuck was being malicious in any way, just a bit ignorant.

it took me a couple dnd doge videos to realise lucky the comment kitty wasn't "lycan" 🙃

For SIlent Bob, the guy that threw a fit has issues. But I also don't like players that avoid rp by using silence like that. It sounds interesting on paper but translates to simply not speaking, which is most of rp at a table top.

Should have brought it up mid stream in front of their followers blasting them for what they did

I like Lucky - thus I like this video - You should too! Did I do good Lucky?

Story 1 - back when I first started to play d&d online last year, one of the players said that he wanted to stream our game for his tiny following, and had basically announced it. While I would not have minded, one of our players was super uncomfortable about it, so we decided player > stream.

where are the kitties

What game is this? In the video I mean.

That chuck dude sounds like a guy without friends that overhypes himself when is promised to do something someday

Heyooo

2nd one: sounded like the dm just wanted out of the game. Last one: the most annoying thing a player can do is not engage, so a silent character gets real annoying real quick as it makes a lot of rp options just not available. This just kind of sounds like the apology of that guy who zones out during the "talkie parts" and only likes the combat parts. The role play they are describing is all combat or resource management elements, which is OK if the rest of the group is OK with adventuring with Hugh Man, the fighter. I do not really think either side qualifies as horror story territory, just different play styles clashing.

I'm surprised about how dumb people can actually be sometimes.

The 1st story is really stupid Both the problem players and the problem itself Like you said doge, your idea was the way to go, it wasn't even the best option, it was the only coherent one

{On the last one] I can do without another brooding edgelord of few words whatever class they play no matter their backstory or in their mind thought RP. Nope, it's not fun when the most you can get out of a character is a nod, scoff, cock of the head or sneer in an hour of gameplay. Bad party dynamics from their probably being no session zero.

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To everyone that saying that OP shouldn't be upset in the first story. Let's see how you like it if things you did in private were displayed for all to see, not fun for you now is it? Go to hell with that kind of logic. All of you!

I disagree with you on story 2 Chuck's action are such a huge red flag. Someone like that will try to co-opt the game for sure. They also will probably do more things to add stress on the game master. Allowing him to play would just lead to problems later on.

Story 1 They wanted to make a DND stream show but did not want to pay the DM. This is why they were asking for a homebrew (because WOTC would sue them for using their property if they used a module).

@orchidofkhalida

Жыл бұрын

While I agree they didnt want to share profits with the GM, you cannot sue for playing/streaming the module. That would be like saying you can be sued for playing Uno and livestreaming it. :/

@TheLevantin

Жыл бұрын

@@orchidofkhalida The DnD makers have a right to the images and intellectual content of their works. That's a fact. Without permission, you may be charged with distributing their content without permission. but most of the time this is not done because it is expensive to sue everyone because it makes your company very unsympathetic and it is a kind of free advertising. It is technically illegal to stream video games, but it is often overlooked and allowed. No publisher has an interest in being known as the publisher who is suing all streamers who play their game. But it does happen that streamers are sued, mostly the small ones. The big ones get sponsor deals. Many small, unknown streamers have already been blocked from streaming platforms because of something like that. but nobody knows these cases because we are talking about streamers with 3 viewers and stuff like that.

@orchidofkhalida

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLevantin Distributing illegally would be selling it as your own product under licensing, doing a VOD is not illegal. Lol. Once you purchase a product, you now own that product, however you do not own the licensing to it and cannot say it is yours. This is all wildly incorrect.

@TheLevantin

Жыл бұрын

@@orchidofkhalida Distributing images and distributing intellectual content that you do not own is illegal.

@orchidofkhalida

Жыл бұрын

@@TheLevantin They were not selling it under their licensing brand, they were live streaming it. You have no idea what copyright actually is, do you? 🤭😭

Jack has a persecution complex, but of course he does. He's Catholic. JK

@littlegiantj8761

Жыл бұрын

[The Baptists have entered the chat] (Source: former Baptist)

@EmoBearRights

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that a lot of Christians? Source - former Christian.

Catholicfobic, I havent hear that in a while, I always wonder why all theists have that kind of victim complex it's creepy how they act.

The guy in the first story should be flattered, not appalled!

@littlegiantj8761

Жыл бұрын

Not everyone wants to be in the spotlight; or have their face spread without their consent. Especially when their face gets monetized.

First story: with OP's language of "I went to confront them" and "I felt violated!" I'm willing to bet there's a lot more to why they were blocked than they let on. The group streaming isn't much of a deal, you get recorded all the time (ever been to a store?) and OP going to a lawyer is just overkill. They streamed a game, dude, not frame you for murder. Smells greatly of "everyone is the hero of their own story" when likely villainy is afoot from OP. Normal people do NOT flip their nugget over being on camera

@stephenblevins3829

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree with you. It seems a bit of an overreaction. I would bet they were making some money and weren't sharing it with OP.

@kaylawoodbury2308

Жыл бұрын

Not wanting to be recorded without your knowledge or consent, especially if you have anxiety or just aren't comfortable with being on camera, is a very normal feeling to have. No clue what your issue is or why you think it's even remotely similar to CCTV, security isnt taking that video and broadcasting it to people. You do realize that your "I think it's fine therefore you don't have a right to be uncomfortable!" attitude can be swung against you, right? Like say, someone at work you really aren't attracted to or don't like gets drunk and super flirty and handsy with you. Well to bad you can't go to HR because that person who made you uncomfortable thinks what they did was okay at totally not different from your grandma giving you a hug and calling you handsome, so your feelings aren't valid. Different situation but the same philosophy you're applying here.

@Araknos

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure recording someone without their consent is illegal in most countries, so calling a lawyer is corect.(when you in the story you expecing the monitoring) With been suspicious of "other side of the story" I can back up. You never knows with those stories.

@orchidofkhalida

Жыл бұрын

I would absolutely be upset if someone recorded me without my knowledge, not only is it illegal in my country, it’s just wrong and a total breach of my privacy and mental health.

@Sigilstone17

Жыл бұрын

@@kaylawoodbury2308 are you aware of how goddamn ludicrous your point is? "OP is right because SEXUAL ASSUALT." Interest you to know that platforms with video capabilities make you sign it's okay for you to be recorded, try reading their TOS sometime

So the first one was terrible but I generally think it was a bit of an over reaction on the OPs part... i'm torn. Of COURSE it was wrong of the players to secretly stream the game and the content should be taken down for moral reasons, and even legally as it sort of touches on the Wiretap laws... but this kind of 'it's horrifying' attitude to it? That's just being overly dramatic honestly... they act like they were doxxed to a huge following or something I garuntee you ANYTHING that was said on that podcast someone else already knows from getting access to your google account or something along those lines... unless you were giving out addresses, names, soc card numbers, or something nothing that was said during those sessions is 'private' information... if I cared enough I could probably gain access to that information right now by doing a little digging starting from the reddit post... information like: Photos of OP: If you have a facebook nothing is secret and nothing is private. Names: Again facebook. IP: Could do something to find it just using the reddit post if I cared too. IP from Reddit would also lead me to getting a little more location and maybe even gps data for the OP (and VPSns don't protect you from someone actively hunting you down... it's more about automatic systems... a human can override and bypass most vpns.... it's not THAT hard). Family Names: Facebook Dog names: Facebook this is the general type of information that that stream would have been able to give out and this small list as well as anything else that would/could have come from it isn't hard to obtain any other way and I promise you someone else already has that information on you. Now I understand the exposure part of it as the stream made them known to more people... but... so did this reddit post and so did Doge reading it on his channel. Realistically Doge reading this reddit post has done more damage towards exposing them than that stream ever did... and yet somehow I feel like OP won't be mad about this video and lawyer up to take it down because they don't actually understand how overly dramatic they are being over that video. ONCE AGAIN the players are wrong, and the video(s) should be taken down... but this whole thing is hypocritic at best. "I don't like exposure" - *Makes big old reddit post and i'm guessing AGREED to allowing Doge (and probably others) to read this story on their youtube*. The OP is the worst kind of entitled person and it's really disheartening because they get mad and said they'd never agree to it... and unless Doge just takes stories without asking they agreed to it here... they agreed to an even HIGHER degree of exposure. That is my issue with OP.

@kaylawoodbury2308

Жыл бұрын

Being filmed without consent is highly illegal in many countries.

@suruthebeast4065

Жыл бұрын

@@kaylawoodbury2308 yes... I did also say that... your point is? It doesn't matter if it was illegal or not OP is being a big baby about it... take the legal action but don't act like this while doing it... this entire post is about getting the attention they are suing over... it's kind of pathetic.

@littlegiantj8761

Жыл бұрын

@@suruthebeast4065 did they link the streams?

@suruthebeast4065

Жыл бұрын

@@littlegiantj8761 not to my knowledge but it wasn't hard to find the records of it.

@coffeefox5703

Жыл бұрын

I would agree if it wasn't for the fact everyone involved literally blocked the DM and completely cut off contact with him. That's a fucking dick move. Especially considering the fact they filmed the guy and were posting private sessions for everyone to see. Considering he can't talk to the people involved he's probably using Reddit to vent. That's 100% understandable.

why is this controversial? You have no right to privacy while in a group. anyone in that group has every right to share anything that happens to them.